Did Final Fantasy VII need a 1:1 Remake?

[@AlleywayJack]

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[@Luca-bel]

I really like them building up some original moments and locals, but I swear every time those whispers show up, I just know I’m in for a sub par time. Also, kinda annoyed with them turning down the gore and more graphic scenes, like sephiroth rampage through the Shinra building , where you have to follow the trail of corpses, while navigating through bloody, slashed up corridors , all the while some extremely eerie music is playing. You can tell that rebirth kinda cooled it with all the changes.

[@andreseh87]

The whispers are so … ugh. I even can’t stand their design. Just so lazy.

[@Luca-bel]

@@andreseh87 yea, the design is pretty terrible. Looks graphically worse then anything else in the game for some reason.

[@makojuicer]

I’ll always be grateful to Remake for introducing me to FF and story-based videogames as a whole. However, even I could tell that there was something very weird in that final part of the story. It left me so confounded that I played the original immediately after and it’s still one of my favorite games to this day, despite being from a younger generation. I guess in a weird way, the Remake not being 1:1 is part of what got me to look deeper (even if it was out of frustration).

[@andreseh87]

Square has a bad habit of thinking that confusing players is akin to “oooh look how profound we are”. No. It’s just bad writing.

[@marcusclark1339]

in short yes, changing it just ruins it after the hype season ends "keep people guessing" is always a dumb thing they push when it doesn't matter in the long run, its a short term goal that goes nowhere when the story doesn't and CAN'T change and even then the whole reason to see the remake is to see the original moments done again in a new coat of paint, not changed but better realized it just makes the changes more arbituary and noticeable when it happens it has more character moments but that doesn't make them stronger to the less they had before, more just for more's sake and again by the end of it we'll be back where we were before...wishing for a actual remake we'll never get

[@AlleywayJack]

Looking at the conclusions of Game of Thrones and the Star Wars Sequel trilogy you can see how 'keep people guessing' or 'prevent them guessing correctly' gives some really bum steers about where to take a story, hoping that's not informing the direction of Remake.

[@ApolloDawn85]

The fact is that FF7 has two extremely different types of fans, the "casuals" who just want the original again with supped up graphics and the "super fans" who engage with all of the extended universe stuff and enjoy the Kingdom Hearts-esque type of overly complicated storytelling. The Remake trilogy seems to have doubled down on the "super fans" leaving the "casuals" high and dry. For me, the Remakes are at their best when they follow the original story and expand on it (seeing Jessie's dad with Mako poisoning) and at their worst when they delve in multiverse nonsense.

[@peachesandcream8753]

I'm in agreement with you here. They could have expanded on a few things while staying true to the original; such as the character interactions and giving the towns and cities more life and reason to go back rather than being used as a one-time walkthrough. By straying away from the original story, because "younger fans", is a cop out; almost like they don't respect their audience enough to understand and be able to appreciate the slower, more emotional and mature, aspects of the story. We don't need more Weapons; they are the Planets response to the crisis of losing more Lifestream through Shinra or Sephiroths actions. We don't need more information on the Ancients; they are extinct and their civilisation lost which means only fragments will remain. We don't need boss fights every 5 seconds because a simple conversation is all that is needed: eg. Hojo and the Turks. To me FF7 is a mature game, made for a mature audience, while FF7:Remake/Rebirth is a game made for an immature audience who can't stay focussed enough without something shiny or high stakes to keep them invested.

[@the_bandicoot4801]

The weapons in rebirth are not the same weapons in og. They're just "extra weapons". It's not meant to replace ruby or emerald weapons, I think they are just saving those for the third game

[@ry2950]

It didn't need to be a 1:1 but deviating the critical story moments was a mistake. They should've kept the moments that are most famous faithful then expand/add smaller stories with the original ideas.

[@SaintJames14]

Based. King shit. Say it louder for the fanboys in the back.

[@jaidens.g.1920]

it's possible to be faithful without being 1:1. Dead Space, Resident Evil 4, and Persona 3 all had remakes recently, and none of them are 1:1 remakes. However, all were well received, because they were still overall faithful to their original experiences, while remixing and expanding on certain elements to keep veterans on their toes. Final Fantasy IV also had a remake in-line with those past examples, and that was fantastic imo. Biggest thing - none of these were secretly a multiversal meta-sequel to their original game

[@marcusclark1339]

they had broader appeal by visual upgrading and broad design but honestly they all aren't great P3 with its censorship, scene changed, agenda push, worse VA work and casualization of the game design RE4 for sanitization, microtransactions and weaker dialogue DS for its sanization, agenda, and talking Isaac now getting good praise doesn't mean much if the audience of that is either ignorant of the changes or doesn't have a standard to push back on them be it conformity or apathy

[@holy9781]

​@@marcusclark1339and still all those games were better than ff7 remake and rebirth lol what does Microstation you don't have to buy have to do with the re4 itself? Whats censorship did person 3 have that ff7 rebirth and remake didnt have. Did they not edit Tifa? Bro touch grass

[@kei7540]

FF7 remake and rebirth are well received. Also despite being 1 to 1 those remake still get criticized by hardcore fans. Even the upcoming snake eater remake had people crying because of the filter

[@earlyriser03]

@@marcusclark1339 says there’s an “agenda push” yet fails to articulate what that is. 🤔

[@nicholasrova3698]

​@@earlyriser03 You either honestly have no idea what the 'agenda push' is, in which case, fine. But the culture war in the West has been going for almost a decade now, if not longer, so maybe pay attention. Or you know exactly what 'agenda push' means and are trying to shoot it down by being cheeky.

[@vangmx]

I played OG back in 1997 when I was 15. I also played 4, 6, 8 and 9, which I call the golden age of FF, so I grew up with memories of these games in my youth. For me, I think where we’re going with the remake trilogy is pure fucking genius. I never expected a 1:1 remake and to have the games similar in fashion with Capcom’s RE series, I personally would’ve gotten bored. Of course there are fans who are pissed that they have to buy the game three times now or how there’s no old school turn based attack. I love how the remake trilogy is an extension of the original story that makes you think harder and messes you up more.

[@ThepurposeofTime]

same situation as me. as someone who was there when it released, this is the best thing they could have done and goes WAAY beyond expectations while retaining the beauty of OG as an original piece. I feel that most people who dont understand this are losing out big time

[@rsoxboy]

Well said man. Maybe calling it pure genius is a bit of an embellishment lol, but it's incredibly intriguing with where they are taking things.

[@AlleywayJack]

Yeah I do think that concerns of player boredom or overt comparison with OG was something Square wanted to avoid and may have informed the direction. I think most of all I'm glad that the 1997 game is still relevant and canonical in the overall story of Final Fantasy 7. It can't be consigned to the past if it's the foundation from which Remake story tangents, and I love that.

[@IidosGamingDen]

At this point, I've got mixed feelings about these remakes. On one hand, their visuals, music and gameplay are all phenomenal, and at first I was excited to see how the story would change after Midgar. But after playing Rebirth.. idk. I enjoy certain changes to the story, but at this point I think it's diverged far too much from the original game. Yet at the same time it feels like they're trying so hard to keep it generally in-line with the events of the original that when the new elements come about, they just feel bizarre and sort of forced in for the sake of mixing up the story. The late game parts of Rebirth really went off the rails, and the ending was really only saved by the incredible final dungeon and great music. I have no idea what the frick they're doing with this story anymore. Remake set up an interesting idea of multiple timelines and acted like this was gonna more or less be a new story in a lot of ways, but then Rebirth tried to walk that back while simultaneously still trying to change things up all over the place with all these new plot elements that "kinda change stuff but at the same time really don't".

[@changanat]

A weird middle ground that was just frustrating. I was on the side of wanting tons of changes but still felt like was playing the same story and in the end major things still stayed the same so then questioned what was the point in all the whispers and timelines and stuff. Just felt nothing

[@IidosGamingDen]

@@changanat Yeah, that's pretty much how I felt. I was all for changes, but in the end the "changes" feel completely pointless and just make the story needlessly convoluted if in the end it's just going to be the same story.

[@marcusclark1339]

they're bad objectively, just having big budgets is all the praise really is when it goes to visuals or looks, it means so little these games aren't worth the $200+ their asking for and ruin the stories for first timers

[@changanat]

@@IidosGamingDen Yup. Its so disappointing

[@KnightsDisillusion]

I have an overwhelming amount of positive things to say about Remake and Rebirth. I much prefer what we are getting now over a 1:1 Remake. however Ever Crisis should of been the true 1:1 Remake of FF7 with options to have the new or old visuals and the choice to have the original script or a more correct translated one. The Remake trilogy is a dream come true for alot of reasons but i really feel for the people that just wanted a simple Remake. So my answer is yes there should be a 1:1 Remake alongside the Trilogy.

[@AlleywayJack]

I 100% agree about Ever Crisis. When I first saw the trailers I thought it was an OG-remake being released alongside the Remake trilogy. That was a missed opportunity.

[@buddhablue21]

Square-Enix could yet fashion a faithful remake using a lot of this trilogy's assets. They've been milking 7 for quite some time and I suspect there is a business case for this. I'd be interested for sure. I liked spending more time with the characters again in the new games too but I have real reservations with Rebirth's tone and pacing that have spoiled the experience a bit. We could have the best of both worlds yet. Edit: typos

[@AlleywayJack]

I would be amazed if there weren't some fans modding these assets to recreate the original as we speak.

[@nexusanphans3813]

In my opinion, some important aspects might come off in the final product, but in general I am open to the changes, and there is definitely some part of the fans who wants to see several aspects of the story to turn out differently. But even if you don't like the story changes, it is still faithful and you don't need to be that pedantic to make yourself unable to enjoy Remake.

[@davidrich27]

I would still like to see a 1:1 remake that is mostly just a graphical upgrade. And the funny thing is that they could do it quite easily. Ever Crisis has most of the hard work done for them already. Unfortunately it’s more lucrative to release the game as an online gacha than a traditional standalone.

[@AlleywayJack]

When I first saw the Ever Crisis trailer I thought Square had absolutely nailed their approach by creating a middle-way FF7 Remaster/Remake, to release alongside the sequelised Remake trilogy. Alas no, it was an abridged mobile gacha game. I was genuinely gutted by that and felt they missed a huge trick.

[@alanlee67]

Great question. Ff7 is still to this day(imo), the best game ever made, and the original psx version still holds up and is amazing to play. Seems as if this push for realism in the modern day just seems to water games down when ff7 really had a wonderful alice in wonderland type feeling...the rough translation even added to this as it really made my brain think to parse out what's going on. Moreover, I don't think remaking ff7 for a "modern audience" has even had the intended effect as sales have been middling and serves only to alienate og fans. So maybe a 1to1 remake would've been in better faith to their fans and honestly probably would've sold better...look at persona 5.

[@chrisdillon8376]

My understanding is that the WEAPONS in Rebirth are actually younger ones. OG style designs are still on the table for part 3

[@ourfamilyaccount]

Yeah I have similar view, those whale weapon versions are to nod to the FF10 universe (Sin) but in part 3 of FF7 R we'll see the other weapons in their original forms... At least I hope that's the case.

[@SiliconSlyWolf]

I wanted a nearly 1 to 1 remake, maybe introduce more of Zack's stuff, and Cissnei, directly into FF 7. But it was largely because the original translation had issues for such a complex story, and since I don't replay the game every year or two like I used to, I'm forgetting the finer details of the original and less interested in replaying it like I used to, because it feels almost like an indecipherable mess again. I'm also worried if the combat will feel too much like FF 15, rather than something like a Tales of game, because I just did not gel with FF 15 on two attempts.

[@darwinwins]

i would love nothing more than a FF series that emulates the style of Zelda: Link's Awakening. a 1:1 remake with updated graphics.

[@alanlee67]

Or super mario rpg. Even Capcom did a better job remaking their Seminole game RE4 for a "modern audience"

[@ZetaMoolah]

Eh, I loved Remake and am loving Rebirth. The OG version will always exist, but I’m not here for a remaster- I’m here for a *remake.*

[@coolguychecker7329]

As a fan of the original since around its release, I never wanted a 1-to-1 remake. The game is so defined by its technological constraints, it would never work in a modern realization. I feel like in a lot of ways the Remake trilogy captures the spirit of it, its battle system feels like the action system they wanted ATB to be since its introduction in FFIV. But the story has a "I have to write an essay for school but don't know what to write about...oh I know, I'll write about writing an essay!" energy to it. I tolerated it in Remake since it only disrupted its ending and I thought that part 2 would have to contend with those changes and really go in a completely different direction. But then Rebirth starts with the Nibelheim flashback...which no longer makes narrative sense since Sephiroth's bad guy status was directly established in Remake to the point where none of the characters would mistake him for an ally. Similarly, the midgarsormr scene is completely unnecessary because we last saw Sephiroth creating a portal to a world where they fought fate itself, which is a much stronger demonstration of is power. It is a shame, since so much is hugely improved compared to the original, but the new narrative layer draws attention to the developers themselves away from the actual story the game is supposedly retelling. It's no wonder people are singling out Nomura, justified or not, because that's what this new metastory invites.

[@ourfamilyaccount]

I kinda wanted an 88% remake because certain moments like Cloud involved in certain Honey bee rooms wasn't appropriate, another moment I disliked was Cloud slapping Aerith.. yeah he was controlled but that original game moment didn't sit well with me. Now that I've experienced Square's version for FF7R in two games... I'm more intrigued by their choice and bet I wouldn't have been as excited for the 3rd game as I am now. It's still not perfect but I'm truly impressed with how they handled stuff. Max Dood also helped, if I never saw his theories on Remake, I would've seen the hidden message that this Aerith is from the future or from the original. Just didn't catch that during my playthrough.

[@theSHELFables]

I love that they said the original is the real FF7 and that this new one is a sequel. I think this practice of looking at the classics of of our medium and trying to bury the original art under shiny new graphics has been pretty awful and it's nice to see the creators of this game tackle what it means to do a "remake" of a classic and toy with expectations. They've made the original game playable on everything and people should do that if they want the original game imo. It hasn't stopped being what it always was just because we have new tech. FF7 will always be the same great game and everyone should check it out.

[@AlleywayJack]

I've had a couple of comments including on this video of players discovering OG FF7 by playing remake. I think it's great they've retained the 1997 title as a canonical precursor to Remake because it's an absolute classic and since it's narratively relevant, hopefully people will go back and play it.

[@jaidens.g.1920]

I think the biggest hurdle is that FF7 has a more difficult time leaving a good first impression on modern audiences versus 7R. The translation is messy, some sections like Wall Market might come across as insensitive, and I know a number of people who just can't get over the original character models. Playing FF7 for the first time in modern times requires a shift in mindset that 7R wouldn't have to worry about. 7R should have been a modern alternative to experience the story, it inherently wouldn't replace the original due to being so different in its gameplay and presentation, and having the original so readily available. Final Fantasy IV has both its Pixel Remaster and its 3D remake readily available on Steam, and one doesn't replace the other - they're both alternate ways to experience the same fundamental story

[@wmen48]

I'm writing this before watching the vid. Yes it did. Solely on the basis that remake is a sequel. It would be ok if younger players didn't consider og unplayable. But even than it would be a bad situation. Also Rebirth can alienate ppl that didn't play og and remake. Part 3 really needs a bundle to fix this or it will be behind 3 games plus crisis core plus other ff7 media🤦

[@burn1none]

watched the whole thing and also agree. it just needed a remake, not a sequel in my opinion

[@agamersinsanity]

@@burn1none if you do a 1:1 it's a *remaster* and for a developer standpoint I would be bored to slap some new assets and package it as a new game.

[@burn1none]

@@agamersinsanity Mario RPG proves you wrong but ok

[@wmen48]

@@agamersinsanity when I was in music school there where 3 types of musicians: - the ones that wanted to play what others wanted to hear (people pleasers) - the ones that wanted to play what they wanted to play (narcissists) - the ones that wanted to make art and expand theirs and others horisons (the visionaries) Since I couldn't be a visionary a played what others wanted to hear. There is a lesson in that.

[@wawztzta8296]

I personally love what they are doing with remake and rebirth 😎 as a huge fan of the OG i think they are making something even more special (and i can play the original whenever i want!)

[@dannyb9209]

I didn't like alot about remake... whereas I loved alot about rebirth... however a 1:1 really should've been done...slot of things they've added are great and alot they've added was unnecessary... basically alot depends on how they stick the landing....in regards to how the remake trilogy is viewed. But I don't think we would ever get a faithful remake

[@Usernamehear]

The mods online for 7 are basically giving you an update to the OG game. That’s practically a remake there.

[@jlyt18]

I am a old fan, i love the new story elements, if you enjoy ff7 universe beyond the og game its a really rewarding experience to see them building towards what looks like an avengers endgame like culmination after 30 years While ff16 and 15 were for sure as you describe trying to keep old fans and cater to new, I don't view ff7r in the same light. I think they saw the opportunity to do something special and took the risk to try to achieve it, otherwise they could've done a 1:1 story remake just with the new hybrid battle system

[@Chokken97]

Here's the thing. People complaining about changes make up about 5% of the fans. What people are complaining about are changes, that make the game worse. If you make a change, okay fine, good, even. But when you worsen something that was already good by changing it when you didn't need to, of course people are going to complain, as they should.

[@vangmx]

And they are often the loudest.

[@jairekambui7738]

Depends on the definition of need. You could argue that no great game needs a remake. Just remasters to make sure they’re still available on modern consoles. Only games that couldn’t fully see their vision through and had potential need remakes in my opinion. The remake series features more expanded upon world building and characters, but the original game has better storytelling and pacing. Both are great for what they are.

[@Lunariant]

Once the FFVII Remake trilogy is complete, I would like Square Enix to remake FFVII. 1:1. They will have virtually all the assets they need and an experienced team. Of course it won't happen, but it would be an extraordinary project, a triple AAA game with immense variety of environment designs and little filler.

[@SaintJames14]

"Does a REMAKE NEED to be 1:1?" We have the answer: Mechanics? NO STORY? YES RE2's success and FF7remakes trashing proves this economically if you needed that, BUT IT'S RIGHT IN THE DAMN NAME "RE MAKE" FUCK NOMURA

[@supremeoverlorde2109]

They're never going to be able to please everyone, I suppose. I have no nostalgia for FFVII, or for FF in general. I loved the original VII, and I'm largely having a wonderful time with the Remake titles (the combat system is genuinely one of my all-time favorites). I think a more faithful remake could have been great --- but I feel like I have to wait until the final part comes out before I try to judge whether this thing they're trying to do was a good idea or not. Storywise, coming off Remake, I had some small concerns but saw potential. Coming off Rebirth, my concerns are admittedly bigger. What the creators are doing with the story is risky, and I'm worried about the fact that they're putting so much energy into confusing us and keeping us speculating. I don't see more than two alternatives --- either they stick the landing in a way that is deeply satisfying, or the ending falls flat on its face and the whole thing falls apart. The end of Rebirth actually left me a little annoyed because I felt like I spent more time trying to follow what was happening than going through the characters' emotional journeys with them. Imo the story is at its best when it's expanding on and enriching what it already has rather than when it's throwing in all these wacky new elements. Remake is a less extreme version, and luckily great character work and world-building help make up for it, but this kind of thing is why I stopped being a Kingdom Hearts fan lol. I don't like being strung along and then disappointed.

[@andreseh87]

It boggles my mind how someone like Maximilian Dood continues to justify the remakes as “of course the devs wouldn’t want to make the same game”. Brother. You can do so much more than just a fresh coat of paint and still carry the spirit of the original’s themes. I love the expansions of characters, locations, the combat system. So much. Of the remake series is done right. But the multiverse nonsense and the blatant Zack Fanservice hold the games back. But because I don’t like that crap, I’m a purist? Ok buddy

[@kei7540]

Pretty sure the devs outright said they didn't wanna make the same game again

[@AlleywayJack]

I enjoy Max, dude has some of the most positive vibes on youtube, but he's probably in a place now with Square where it's harder to give an objective take. And I agree retelling or closely retelling a story would have literally no bearing on the dev's work.

[@sh1yo7]

They didn't want to make the same game, so they included me smashing boxes all the time. Such fun lol. Most of the padding sucked, if they can't do it well I'd rather have shorter parts but dense

[@unthusiasm4541]

I feel like you're talking *about* the point rather than the point. Do people really think that the Weapons have been turned into Fish now and that they won't evolve into the ones we know in the third one? The Midgardsormr part was honestly one of my highlights of the game. I was certain they couldn't get that bit rught in any way. "Did Sephiroth do this?" Did the guy who opened up a crazy fate dimension, sending ghosts everywhere, cutting buildings in half and possessing the men in black capes kill a snake? Yeah I guess. The problem was Sephiroth in Remake absolutely ruining any chance of this moment being anything like it used to be and the fact that they managed to turn it around into a complete shocker of a moment that made me shout "HOLY FU" out loud was a hell of an apology. Rebirth managed to walk back so much and practically *be* the 1:1 remake for 90% of its runtime, frankly I'm still shocked. It says a lot when you can Switch Zack's interjections off for the New Game+.

[@joshz2491]

I think given that people who don't even play video games know that Sephiroth is the greatest video game villain ever. The changes to his character are fine. The fact is that the general aura of mystery that surrounded Sephiroth in 97 is gone forever, in the same way, that the shock value of Aerith dying can't be recreated. Things like this are why I am glad that fans don't develop or write video games. Shifts in perspective keep classic stories in the hearts and minds of future generations and without new perspectives these stories would be lost to time. I do agree that SE is struggling to figure out what its target audience is but in the case of ff7 I think they genuinely have a definitive version of the story that they want to tell.

[@necogreendragon]

I just wanted to play Final Fantasy VII with updated graphics. The remake held zero appeal for me. Which is fine. Not everything has to be for me. Also I am quite desensitized to the FF series disappointing me.🙃

[@BlaBlaBla-76]

No it did not. We already have a game like that. I am very happy they went a different route with Remake, so much more fun not knowing what will happen next! I was never that big of a FF7 fan, but Remake def made me much more interested in the world and lore.❤

[@mmcv9679]

Nah i dont, when it comes to the topic of remakes theres going to be a group of people who get upset. Theres people who complain about the demons souls and shadow of the collosus remake because theyre the same, theres people who complain about dead space because they ruined the vibe of the origonal, theres people who complain about the resident evil remakes, theres people who complain about the last of us remake. Dont get me wrong some complaints are valid but the point im trying to make is regardless of how they went about this there would be a group who didnt like it. I never loom at commnents of remake announcements anymore because its ussualy filled with people complaining.

[@RawrItsJuul]

It didn't have to be 1:1 exactly, but it also did not need to be streched to become 3 games. They're giving it the hobbit treatment and try to milk it for as much as it's worth.

[@theloniuspunk383]

og ffvii 1997 only needed a content patch and some balancing which new threat 2.0 does an absolutely wonderful job of!

[@lieutenantpepper2734]

let the sales talk!

[@Murasame]

It was very much expected from the tech demo it would be more of a 1:1 then it became the nonsense that it is that I dislike.

[@Satyr42]

It didn't even need a remake. It needed a simple, straightforward remaster. And that's the end of it. I will die on this hill if I have to. I'm sick and tired of remakes. And since emulation is more often than not better than modern ports of old games I sail the seven seas and never pay a single dime. These corpos are so out of touch. These companies need to be reverted back to indie status and start anew from scratch. P.S. Nomura is a hack. He should get demoted at the very least. P.S.S. The recent Capcom survey shows that this "new market" simply does not exist. Most gamers are between 20 and 40 years old. Chasing kids and teenagers is also weird in and of itself from a purely financial perspective because kids and teenagers do not have enough disposable income and are mostly reliant on their parents. It's the adults who have the money to sustain a gaming hobby. They should be the default target audience. Kids and teenagers will eventually become adults as well, so you do not need to chase them. They will come to you instead.

[@josephcoffey2175]

I was so disappointed with this project. I can't see why sqaure-enix couldn't retell the og story but refined and added extra to it. I have no reason to grow attachment to parallel time-line duplicates. It just feels weird, like they're trying too hard.

[@dudemcguy1227]

Whether or not FFVII actually needed a 1:1 Remake, there's no disputing that of the fans asking for a remake, the vast majority wanted it to be close to 1:1

[@onceortwiceooh]

I agree. The graphics while charming do not hold up well in this day and age (ff8 and ff9 luck out in that regard, I think they can) and people wanted great graphics to go with the famous original plot

[@rsoxboy]

That has not been my experience whatsoever. I think the vast majority expected a Remake that was almost totally faithful to the original, but the majority now are open to an updated interpretation of the original. There's a small but vocal crowd of people who complain about it not fully faithful to the original, but their expectations are and always will be unreasonable. A 1-to-1 remaster would not translate well to 4K graphics with professional voice acting. They need to stop living in the past and understand things needed to be re-written to provide an emotionally compelling story for a modern audience.

[@SunriseFestival]

People will always complain anyway. Had it actually been a 1:1 remake, the game would have been called to booring, and fans would have asked for more.

[@paulhenri5902]

@@rsoxboy Yes they could do a 1:1 remake, don’t change the story, don’t be a cringe braindead sequel like Remake/Rebirth, pile of garbage fanfic.

[@Mukation]

​​@@rsoxboyI mean so far the RE trilogy has followed the OG almost 95%. The only thing is that they included Cloud and Tifas romantic history alot earlier in the story than in OG and rather seamlessly incorporated Yuffie as a non-optional party member aswell. I am almost certain that Aerith _is_ dead and if the multiverse is real and not just an aspect of LS, "our" Aerith is still dead and will most likley not end up reuniting with her friends, even if "a" Aerith gets a shot at life in another world at the end of pt3. If Zack isn't just a dead spirit being guided by Aerith to aid Cloud, i won't be surprised if he ends up sacrificing himself for Cloud _again_ in pt3 either.

[@taylorwells3706]

They should’ve just made Ever Crisis a console 1:1 remake instead of a gacha, season based mobile game. Then everyone woulda been happy

[@AlleywayJack]

I've commented elsewhere here, but yeah, I think if Ever Crisis was a 1:1 remake/remaster published alongside the new Remake trilogy, rather than a mobile gacha game, that would have been a sweet release package by Square.

[@taylorwells3706]

@@AlleywayJack I recall hearing years ago that Square lost the source files to all their games before FF10 or something like that so remasters aren’t possible for the older games. I hope that’s not true

[@miki49]

We already do with mods. Lol. Even got it running on my steamdeck 👌🏼

[@kellevichy]

The problem with Remake and Rebirth is that they are not remakes of OG at all, faithful or otherwise. When you take the very heart of the story and themes and throw them out the window and design it as a sequel ( because the events of OG have already happened and players literally depend on OG context to understand what's happening and why ), it's not a remake. You can play every other video game remake in history and still understand the story of the OG counterpart, be it the OG is the better or worse experience. 7 is no such case. A remake doesn't need to be 1:1 to be faithful like Resident Evil 2 and 4 remakes. But 7 isn't even faithful with expansion of lore. I don't agree VII is for Legacy fans though that's my own anger and frustration coming out, but I absolutely will die on the hill it's not for new-comers because it's not new-comer friendly when the story of Remake depends on knowing prior knowledge that's within the OG that many have not played. It's a terrible entry point. If any other remake in history tried to pull what FF7 did, it would get burned alive. A friend mentioned FF7 has fallen into the Pokemon complex - no matter what Square turns out just like GameFreak, people will eat it and convince themselves it's good. I love your videos as always Alleyway. Curious about your thoughts on the character relationships and wanting to hear it out because my experience was the total opposite. There hasn't been a video you've put out I haven't enjoyed regardless of my own opinions.

[@jairekambui7738]

Pokémon is a pile of crap though as a video game. Ff7 remake series is actually very enjoyable high quality video game experience. It’s not the same at all. There’s no way you could possibly equate the two. Just because the remake series has issues doesn’t mean it suffers from the same problems of “fans will eat it up no matter what we crap out” like Pokémon. You can not like Rebirth for what it represents to your relationship with the original game, that doesn’t make it not a well made game where you can feel the effort put in.

[@SaintJames14]

You get it

[@SaintJames14]

​@@jairekambui7738 you don't. Lmao

[@Centrioless]

In what way you need to play the OG FF7 to understand whats happening in the remakes? I feel like the ppl parroting this simply dont understand that the story is not yet finished. Even in OG FF7, the story only started to open in disc 2 (which is where the next game will start)

[@DolletDukedom]

Personally, as a traditionalist, I find the "1:1" argument to be overplayed and a little disingenuous. The reality is far more nuanced. Anecdotally, I know no one who grew up with these games that was in the hypothetical "1:1" boat. There's either support for the new style, or disappointment in what was given. From general observation, and more in line with how I felt personally, most people disappointed with these games are fine with, and even enjoy many if not most of the liberties taken. Its the deviation from tone and spirit of the original in a reckless fashion that these folks take issue with. Resident Evil 1 and 2 remakes are two of my favorite games of all time, matching their predecessors in many ways. Bringing in myriad new ideas and taking plenty of liberties with characters, plot and gameplay, while still being firmly identifiable as their counterparts in spirit. Granted RE is not a rich story-focused experience like FF7 but the philosophy behind the remakes was a lesson that more studios, especially Square, should have paid attention to. Of course all of this is academic at this point. Time will be the ultimate judge of whether this was the right direction for Square to take with the Remake trilogy. It's far too late for them to turn the ship around now.

[@242sighting]

I still hope that when they finish this remake project, they take a sec to use the assets to make the 1:1 remake I really want. But I also know it won't happen.

[@burn1none]

you've already said as much but it just needed a remake instead of a sequel. look at Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door for examples of a successful nearly 1:1 remake. I replayed 1997 Final Fantasy 7 last year and got 100% of the achievements but have absolutely zero desire to play the new "remakes". yeah I like turn based games, I loved the atmosphere and music, I'm tired of Square telling me indirectly I'm a relic of the past and I should consume their products and wait for them to drip feed me more content until I die. I also replayed Final Fantasy Tactics: WoTL recently on emulator because I know they'd never remake that game and if they did they'd ruin it. I loved old Square, I hope new Square fails so they can go back to their roots. It's wild to me they'd get so popular off a certain style of game then completely trash it after Final Fantasy 10. Like how are you going to make so many games and get so many players to love your style then tell them later the gameplay they loved is old and bad?

[@jairekambui7738]

They never said that, they thought it wouldn’t sell because the average person likes action games more than old school turn based combat.

[@burn1none]

@@jairekambui7738 actions speak louder than words and yes they’ve definitely said if they could’ve they wouldn’t have done turn based in those old games. I’m not going to hunt down the quote but it was definitely said in as much words

[@SnowCoveredKK]

Yeah, let’s hope an already unstable company FAILS. Like if SE fails, that’s it for them. You realize that don’t you?

[@burn1none]

@@SnowCoveredKK good

[@nicholasrova3698]

I would have been fine with a 1:1.5 or 1:2 remake, not a 1:1$U@ remake.

[@NeravarSneed86]

yes. we wanted ff7 with a new coat of paint not a bastardization of the original game.

[@DJGHOSH]

Yes, it does need a 1:1ish remake (like Capcom did with resident evil), instead of this cynical, episodic (and separately individually paid for), generic format with story changes that no one asked for and make it the same kind of schmaltzy story as their current offerings. Final fantasy VII was a unique and extremely cool story, and I don't think we will ever be given a one-to-one remake with improved graphics and quality of life changes. They don't have people there the deeply care what about the original that much

[@kei7540]

The resident evil remakes aren't completely 1:1

[@DJGHOSH]

@@kei7540 that's why I said 1:1ish. They didn't change the base genre of the game, or completely change the story to the point where they inserted fate ghosts.

[@kei7540]

@@DJGHOSH I mean yeah not much room to do that in a survival horror game. But FF games all have crazy worlds do that can make change like that

[@DJGHOSH]

@@kei7540 I get that, but if you're going to change it so much, just make it a different Final Fantasy. The love for FF7 is very specific to its story, and it's characters, and to some extent the gameplay. Changing it all doesn't really translate for old fans to like whatever this new thing is, and new fans don't have this historic love to understand what this new thing is. I don't think anyone was satisfied.

[@RedWanderer1]

I find 1:1 remakes incredible boring right now. It was a nice novelty a few years back to remake games as 1:1 but now is just not enough. Demon Souls remake, although a great game, it was boring because I already had played the original. Same for shadow of the colossus. Sure, I played them once, but it was whatever, even tho I love the originals. Some of my favorite games ever that had gotten a remake, I have 0 interest in paying: Super Mario RPG, Live a Live, the upcoming Sneake Eater. I'm glad they choose to do the Remake trilogy they way they have done so far. This project has elevated FF7 as a whole as one of the top 3 games/franchises of my life. And I love every second of them, specially not knowing exactly what will happen.

[@Mangomesh]

I love the original FF7 game, but the both remake and rebirth are not a love letter to fans. You can't retain the fans if you change everything that made the original fantastic.

[@doriansz3130]

Persona 3 reload and Resident Evil 4 Remake are a good example of a remake that is on par the original or even better at some points. They could make 2 part game by adding more screentime for Zack and Vincent and thats it. No we got Characters like Johny and unskipable Mini games to lenghten the game so they can make more profit with 3 games

[@makojuicer]

I think you could argue it’s a love letter for fans of the “compilation” of FF7… but I agree that it lacks what made the original so special to so many people (not just saying this off nostalgia, I played Remake first).

[@jairekambui7738]

Remake trilogy are fun reimaginings of the story and really do justice to the characters. The story is not 1:1 faithful but it’s a great version of ff7 overall that still gives people a reason to play the original.

[@burn1none]

yeah I'm so tired of games like Remake. all you have to do is look at Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario: TTYD to see successful nearly 1:1 remakes. the irony that Mario RPG was a Square game is actually hilarious to me.

[@kellevichy]

@@makojuicer As someone who's been a fan of 7 since only the PlayStation game was out and thus saw everything came out on release from Advent Children onward - the RE games are a slap in my face, not a love letter.

[@sosbrigaders]

Absolutely not. 1:1 Remake would not be the move. But the way they ended both games was just awful to me. Dont just change the story just for the sake of subverting expectations smh. Keep the story the SAME but update the gameplay.

[@fiaschampion3379]

No

[@shawnwilliams7757]

It's nothing more than a mario game cosplaying as a ff7 game.🤑

[@DevilHunter1994]

Even if you hate everything about the remakes, how in the world are they anything at all like Mario?

[@shawnwilliams7757]

@@DevilHunter1994 😆 the mini games

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@shawnwilliams7757 FFVII OG had those too.

[@shawnwilliams7757]

@@DevilHunter1994 Like (10) compared to the 200 plus🤭

[@DevilHunter1994]

@@shawnwilliams7757 It's definitely not two hundered, and I think you're only ever asked to engage in four, or five of them. The rest of them are entirely optional, and can be completely skipped, including the card tournament that takes place on the boat. There's this narrative going around that Rebirth forces you to play so many minigames, but that's just not true. The number of actually required minigames is about the same as the number that was in the OG.

[@Mangomesh]

I own three PS4 consoles and I didn't buy the FF7 Remake.

[@SaintJames14]

Based - and why didn't you? Say it in the hopes that some nerd from squenix reads it.

[@Mangomesh]

@@SaintJames14 Well... It is funny 🤣🤣 I own all three different versions of the PS4 and I never bought the FF7 Remake.

[@cs8712]

I own 2 PS4 consoles and 3 copies of FF7 Remake

[@Mangomesh]

@@cs8712 Here is a diehard fan 👆👆🤣

[@ZephyrFate]

Remake and Rebirth are fantastic and often better than the original.

[@cabrejos96]

Remake and Rebirth are great. Ever Crisis is what should have been a faithful remake. Imagine if it let you switch back to the orignal graphics on the fly

[@rsoxboy]

I think it's strange that there's this vocal minority of men aged 30 to 40 something who complain and whine about the updates to the story in Remake and Rebirth. It's like they actually believe they can get the same experience and feeling the first time they played the original FF7 if the story remains exactly the same with no revisions. I really hate to break the bad news to you guys.... but you can't experience something for the first time twice. You're not complaining about the changes to the story. You're complaining because you had unreasonable and unrealistic expectations about how the games would make you feel. I know you think you're right, but you're not. Get over it. You're an extreme minority of the total population of Remake/Rebirth players (probably 5% or less).

[@hollowman7168]

no the idea of remaking ff7 is so boring, and unessary even the people making it got bored and make up there own thing lol

[@agamersinsanity]

it's not a *remake* it's a sequel. Got any source to claim they got bored of making the Remake project?