Did George Make a Mistake? The Many Dragon Slayer Knights of Game of Thrones w/Trey The Explainer

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

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[@dww6]

Listening to the first 3 minutes and I'm wondering if there is third KZbinr or your balls had dropped?

[@jimmyjamsburner6944]

Dragon slayers keep popping up like Jedis after order 66

[@Rancor9000]

>Did George make a mistake? He made many, not finishing Winds being the big one.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

HA i get it

[@SuperRichyrich11]

lol he made many mistakes. Especially the last 2 books. So rambly and convoluted… he wrote himself into a corner

[@ElectromagNick]

Refusing to finish plotlines or taking any steps to reduce story bloat is are a couple major ones.

[@anonymous-hz2un]

​@@SuperRichyrich11 like pulling Faegon out of nowhere in the fifth book. Really George?

[@fabvz5436]

I think there are many references from dragons in ancient westeros on purpose, here's why: 1. Dragon existed for a very long time and could fly, a few wild ones going to westeros (or anywhere else) is totaly possible. 2. Lucifermeanslightbringer's theory about the ancient empire of dawn explain the presence of dragons in there in a perfectly fashion, trully recomend

[@sprinklesandwrinkles]

There's no mistakes. Only happy accidents!

[@filipferencak2717]

That's what mother says after all, so it must be true

[@thefriendlessnorseman5282]

Y’all forgot about Uthor of the Hightower who killed all the dragons on Battle Isle where the Hightower was built. It’s not on his page but on the page for battle isle where it says the first member of the Hightower house killed all the dragons and Uther is the oldest we know about as he is the purported founder.

[@chadsummerchild1120]

They never forgot it, it wasn’t important to the discussion.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

I'm not seeing info on Uthor defeating dragons. can you quote the passage for me?

[@thefriendlessnorseman5282]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview I did some looking and I think it was a passing line or a “seed” as GRRM likes to call them. It’s only on the wiki page for Battle Isle. I forgot who said I only remember it because Uthor is a cool name and slaying all the dragons in the land is kinda what house Hightower did twice in the Dance so it’s a cool parallel.

[@Mersault26]

A Search of Ice and Fire came up with nothing for this, Uthor is just mentioned as founding house Hightower. There's nothing about slaying dragons.

[@baitbait65]

I think some of the issues with dragon slayers and other anachronisms in the age of heroes could be similar to how we say St. Patrick drove the snakes from Ireland. It's an allegory and metaphor. Also, you mentioned the puppet show Dunk and Egg watched, and it makes me think of late medieval morality plays and how those would be updated and given local context.

[@LoLotov]

The important thing I noticed rattling them all off like that is that basically ALL of the individual kingdoms have a dragonslayer hero. Could just be the cultural links between the regions and it's one story split seven ways, or evidence of how widespread these wild dragons once were.

[@AntirisDark]

in our real world fairytales, folk tales, myths, and legends all evolve over time, and every storyteller has an agenda. while recording european fairytales, the brothers grimm added a lot of violence against women, because they were religious fanatics. then disney and other modern adaptations removed it, because they aimed at an audience of primarily children, and now our modern myth is that the fairytales always contained violence until disney sanitized them. the legend of serwin could have existed for a very long time with a nameless dragon in it, and the name urrax was added for the dragon by a storyteller from the time of the dance, when people were angry about a dragon war in the country

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

I just think it's that myths and legends are often not true, or take elements from other things to make new stories. Sometimes they'll use a concept we know and understand to explain something else. So someone will be described as a 'kingsguard' or 'knight' before such things existed as a way of helping people understand that person's role in society. We have examples of myths and legends in our own world that are obviously not true, such as mythical beings, St Patrick and the snakes, etc. We even have many cultures with stories of dragons when they don't even exist in our world. George is very knowledgeable about our own world's myths and legends and how they are created, so it's not hard to see that he used that understanding to create myths for his world.

[@Sciophile]

I don't think you're meant to take age of heroes stories seriously. We have stories in our own world of St George slaying a dragon, King Arthur etc. The idea is that they're folklore/exaggerations of existing people. So I don't think this is particularly evidence of all these people and dragons existing in Westeros in ancient times

[@BeteBlanc]

Mixed feelings on Serwyn. The mirror shield seems like an obvious nod to the armour the Others use. Because he gave the Others mirror armour from the beginning I have to think it's not a mistake, rather an inconsistency placed there intentionally.

[@umwha]

Yes there are dragons slayers before there were knights … but didn’t the text explicitly acknowledge that historic tales talk of ‘knights before there were knights’. I thought that was completely intentional. It all references the interregnum period / dark ages that Westeros is in. In the medieval period is pretty much the only period there were knights - before that there were no knights - but before that there were Roman centurions in Britain and indiginous warriors. Roman centurions with their metal segmented armour is what layer knights are based on. So there’s a very nonlinear progression of culture there. There’s two examples of a knight before there were knights in real folk lore: King Arthur who might’ve lived in 3-500 ad , before there were knights or knight armour. The other example is St George, who was not British but rather from Lydia , and would’ve had Roman style armour , not at all the European plate armour he’s always depicted in. Both of those figures slayed dragons of course. George’s dragon is on the welsh flag. St. George seems to be the main inspiration here - the classic knight , who wasn’t a knight and lived prior to that concept - who is the patron saint of England , yet wasn’t actually English but came from the East . Sounds consistent with GeoD brining dragons and knights to Westeros in ancient times before the interregnum to me.

[@k45207]

4:06 number 1 bran thinks he’s a kings guard 😂😂

[@szymonlechdzieciol]

Look guys remember that Bran and Sansa are kids. They mix historical truth, fanfiction and fairy tales. Its utterly normal some old First Men or Andal legend of dragonslaying knight (after all dragons probably appear in Westeros at least wild ones) was later remade to incorporate Targaryen era cultural aspects). Just see how Arthurian legends evolved from original BritoRomanic version. Its totally legit thing.if anything too much characters around seems to have to professional historical knowledge. On the other hand since ser Ryam was also mentioned by adult people with better grasp then I agree that his omission from Fire and Blood is weird.

[@keirangrant1607]

Isn't GoT flooded with unreliable narrators though? I always assumed that they were just wrong about what they were saying. You know, like the Mandela effect? They believe one thing for certain, even though they are definitely wrong but dont know it. And we use this to judge the the decisions and claims they make........ Or maybe I'm just high.

[@jj947]

I have no problem believing its author error that can easily be head canoned as a character’s misremembering

[@AntirisDark]

every narrator in asoiaf is unreliable. grrm writes his deep history and mythology in a style called "soft worldbuilding", that's the reason why we will never have a definitive version of what happened before and during the long night

[@Khaled91]

Looool give George a break...There are literally hundreds of characters he has to keep track of.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Well hes got a whole wikipedia and superfans dedicated to it that helped him write a whole lore book so...

[@barbaraludwiczak6798]

Well, no one made him create so many. And, as far as we know, no one made him write Fire and Blood while ASOIAF is still unfinished. This was his own choice.

[@three-eyedmonkey7344]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview I would say give George a break because it actually makes sense. The problem is you guys are too literal in your interpretation. Florian the Fool, the Grey King, Serwyn, Symeon Star-Eyes, Ser Galladon of Morne and other legendary hero figures are all pieces of a puzzle that explains a central part of the story. It doesn’t really matter when the heroes lived or if they were even real. That’s not the point. The primary function of these characters in the story is to support the theme, not add detail to the world building.

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

Uthor Hightower ridding Battle Isle of dragons. That's another one.

[@closeriusfildius9634]

Preston's reaction at 9:21😅

[@gokbay3057]

10:08 Naga is also named yet noone brings up Seadragon riders as a possibility. So Urrax could be a wild dragon. That said yeah, the name is way too close to Arrax for them to be totally unconnected.

[@dylanberry9468]

Please over analyze tyland lannister

[@stealplow8462]

if there were dragons before targarians than what happened to the wild dragons after the dance of dragons seem like inconsistencies?

[@MiddleEarthGirl75]

Can someone please explain to me how Bran can see things and "time travel" to places where there are no weirwood trees and thus no weirwood 'network?'

[@AryaStarkTheExplorer]

Trees have a fungi network in the roots and soil. Trees may be gone but the fungi is still underground

[@MiddleEarthGirl75]

@@AryaStarkTheExplorer Weirwood trees don't grow in Dorne where the Tower of Joy is.

[@eminentbishop1325]

​@@MiddleEarthGirl75they mightve at one point, i know the histories claim their was never any in dorne but the children have been around a long time, plenty enough for the climates to radically shift, or maybe the fungi spores can also transfer the consciousness of the network. Think about how animals are able to be warged into by the greenseers. Whats the mechanism behind the process

[@GiubileiFernando]

I don't think calling people knights before knights existed is a mistake because that kind of thing happens in real life all the time. Like most of what people picture when they imagine Arthur looks like 15th century stuff because that's when the popular rec o units of the legend were written but Arthur would have been from the Roman Empire age and have completely different tech level

[@teddycaliendo6744]

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[@duncanstrother662]

You are skimmerlit!

[@TrpeGrozni]

Another mistake, how can Azor Ahai forge the Lightbringer when at that time people still did not process iron and steel but bronze, and bronze is not forged the way steel is forged. PS The name of Azor Ahai's wife Nissa Nissa does not seem similar to the name of Nymeria's city Ny Sar. Or just coincidences. :)

[@phantomjoker5]

fugg :DDD