DID IT SUCK? - Doctor Who [ROSA REVIEW]

[@HarrysMovingMedia]

Harry's Moving *E X P E C T A T I O N S*

[@YourBeingParanoid]

Hola Harry - I find it strange that you don't have any knowledge about how US business interests were behind the funding and supplying of the Nazi war effort (google - Prescott Bush & the Nazis) you also don't seem to have an knowledge of 'The Business Plot' of the 1930's when the same people attempted a failed military fascist coup in America and how these people provided heirs to their empire that produced both Bush presidents. Racism and fascism are the mainstay of American politics and culture - oh and don't forget endless war all paid for by unlimited credit because of the petrodollar and US ties to Saudi Arabia. Apart for that - the episode gets a 6/10 - did that scene when they run away from the baddie as he shot at them from very close range not bug the tits off you too?

[@anytimeanywhere7859]

Well done Harry.

[@carealoo744]

The time traveller should have been: 'The Monk!'

[@CoryMck]

The scene was very unfaithful to history. She wasn't the only one arrested, and it was planned because a few months earlier a different woman was arrested but she didn't take a case to the Supreme court because she was a single mother and had darker skin so the NAACP didn't think her case would have been as successful. Also, Rosas accent wasn't that great. Her acting was great, but her accent didn't sound "Alabama" at all.

[@arguspanoptes9510]

It's essentially a kids show so maybe "the N word" wouldn't be used

[@friday6448]

I think having Present, Future, Past is a good formula to start doctor who off on as you get a good idea of the style of the series in a three episode package

[@tolland4433]

Yeah but they could at least do present-past-future and switch it up a bit. They should just have all 3 individually in the first 3 episodes and that's better.

[@CaptainGrue]

@@tolland4433 that is the same thing as scine described isn't it?

[@tolland4433]

CaptainGrue No he said keep it in the format Present, future, past. I said keep those 3 but switch the order.

[@battlep0t]

They usually start with a Present Day episode only when introducing new companions. When you look at New Earth, Deep Breath, Asylum of the Daleks and The Magician's Apprentice as first episodes of their season all are Future or Past stories given they're carrying over the same companion.

[@friday6448]

I just want to point out that I never said that it has to be in that order. I personally think that the first adventure should be of the home time of the new companion, and the next two would then work around that. So if the companion is from the past then it should be Past, Present, Future. And if the companion is from the future then it should be Future, Past, Present. But since NuWho is obsessed with having companions from the present then the repeating formula is Present, Future, Past.

[@Martiandawn]

The bus driver, James Blake, was not portrayed accurately in the episode. According to the available historical accounts, he was not the diehard racist we saw in the show. Rather, he was just a guy doing his job, which included enforcing the unjust rules of the racist society in which he lived. The episode would have taught us a lot more about the era had the writers portrayed him accurately; it was not the minority of rabid bigots who kept segregation alive for so long, but the complacent majority that just accepted the way things were.

[@notAshildr]

That sounds like it would have ade for a much better episode tbh.

[@shane55pwnt]

Lol he literally decided not to take his day off just so he could be racist as if his life revolved around stopping black people from sitting at the front of the bus.

[@KaiTakApproach]

I'm sorry but that truth does not serve the "progressive" agenda, ergo you are a racist and shall be no-platformed.

[@dublinjake]

To be fair, he isn't exactly portrayed as a diehard. From his dialogue he's just someone who accepts things as they are and doesn't respond well to any challenges to the status quo. The same way many conservative Christians don't necessarily hate gay people but get up in arms about the issue of gay marriage. It's easy to assume that he's a horrible diehard racist, but the actual text of the episode doesn't necessarily portray him as all that bad.

[@Martiandawn]

That isn't the way I remember his portrayal in the episode, Jake, but I will withhold judgement until I have a chance to watch it again. With respect to your point about conservative Christians, I don't see that as a comparable issue. Conservative Christians' opposition to gay marriage is not because they "don't respond well to challenges to the status quo;" they reject the concept because it directly contradicts their world view. I don't agree with their views on the matter of gay marriage, but I would not dismiss their reaction as mere stodginess, as you seem to be implying.

[@homerdripson406]

One thing I thought was weird was that the actor playing Rosa looked exactly like her but then the actor playing Martin Luther King looked nothing like him.

[@SuperLloyd84]

Apparently actors who look like him have a very high rate of death by gunshot.

[@homerdripson406]

Guy Incognito I love your username

[@SuperLloyd84]

Thanks Boaty. Yours is schmicky too.

[@thecarrotclarinet]

I think it’s a bit shitty that this episode resurfaced the ‘rosa parks was an individual who’s feet hurt’ cause it really wasn’t like that. She was part of a civil rights movement organization and they tried to recreate an incident that happened with a pregnant black girl needing to sit in the bus. It was repeated a bunch of time before Rosa Parks’ version caught on. It was a deliberate and organized strategy and in all of pop-culture that gets swept under the rug.

[@SuperLloyd84]

Wait... You mean she WASN'T a special unique wondrously amazing paragon of black virtue? OH THE LIES!!! It's almost as though she was helped by a bunch of white people who had power and knew the laws were wrong, and wanted to change them...

[@B-Frosty97]

@@SuperLloyd84 interesting hot take, what are you getting at?

[@thecarrotclarinet]

@@SuperLloyd84 Nah dude she was not helped by white people. That was a black civil rights group. White allies were just a few and usually not in power, so nah. Black people doing civil rights organizing did that

[@ThomasWilliamsMusik]

@@thecarrotclarinet But there would eventually be enough white allies to enact laws to give black people equal rights.

[@thecarrotclarinet]

@@ThomasWilliamsMusik Not quite, the bulk of that was an implicit threat of revolt. Of immediate change. MLK was a peaceful protestor, yes but he was comfortable enough for the people in power to give them rights because the alternative would be the Black Panthers and Malcolm X. All peaceful protests work on that strategy and MLK himself denounced violence but saw its inherent place in the struggle.

[@qwertyuiop1232123212]

The thing that struck me most was that the Doctor didn't really seem to care that one of her companions basically killed someone. If that isn't a big part of the next episode or isn't brought up again at all I'm going to be concerned.

[@SStupendous]

She didn't comfort Graham when Grace died, and she stopped saving people at this point... Doctor's not getting better.

[@eeveeisepic11]

Just thought I'd mention that the song is the unofficial anthem of the Black Lives Matter movement. That's probably why they used it. That said I do agree it felt very out of place

[@tsukopara2054]

James Thompson BLM being a violent extremist movement that completely tarnishes the legacy of Civil Rights. It was politically & tonally inappropriate.

[@Enzophanis1892]

@@tsukopara2054 100% agree

[@eeveeisepic11]

Tsuko Para never said I agreed with the choice, just explaining why the creators may have made it

[@Geznoo]

@@TheRealUnkn0wn_289 ...no, just...please just stop.

[@themoustachegrenade5696]

@@tsukopara2054 now it is. Originally it wasn't

[@MaileMakesMusic]

FINALLY. NO ONE SEEMS TO TALK ABOUT THE GOD DAMM POP SONG. IT MADE ME SO MAD

[@MisterBurgerBeachball]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time a song with words from an outside source was used. It isn't Doctor Who's style to use songs like that. Fun fact: This is the third time I copy-pasted this reply.

[@MaileMakesMusic]

@@MisterBurgerBeachball That's a lot of copy and pasting. Well the only other instance I can think of an outside song is Toxic by Britney spears. Or other songs physically in the universe. A Jazz version of Don't Stop Me Now being played to passengers in the episode Mummy On the Orient Express is a good example. They also have used songs to immerse us in an era, but again those are heard by characters (bare with me i know the'res a technical term to that but I'm blanking.). The reason this was a poor pick was 1. It is certainly not a song of the era, and is very distinctly modern pop. 2 It was not heard by the characters. 3 There was no fade in, and it practically cut off original composition that was already playing. 4 it's never been done before. and frankly that distinguished doctor who from a lot of other modern shows even if it was a small difference.

[@MisterBurgerBeachball]

@@MaileMakesMusic Right, that's what I meant. I forgot outside songs *are* used in Doctor Who, it's just that they're heard in-universe. That's why this use of a song sticks out so much.

[@Thewhiteboatman]

@@MisterBurgerBeachball Mr Blue Sky in series 2 is a good example of how they use third party songs.

[@Blackfreeze646]

@@MisterBurgerBeachball Also Voodoo child and I can't decide from the series 3 climax

[@amelialikesfrogs5778]

"She's not Sherlock bloody Holmes!".....or is she?

[@Raximus3000]

Do you see any scales on her?

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Ha! Brilliant!

[@bmsvg7356]

alex liggins I don’t know, or do I?

[@SuperLloyd84]

What? she doesn't look anything like Benedildo Cumbersnatch.

[@meris8486]

Well Moffat isn't writing for the show any more so he can't add a mind palace.

[@lkds923]

I was enjoying the ending and then that song played and I almost threw up

[@SuperLloyd84]

Aaahaannnnhhnnduuuuhh Ah'lllllllllll risssssseuh urrp

[@harrycool1747]

@@SuperLloyd84 Oh god, make it stop!

[@smidget5843]

agreed. totally ruined the episode for me.

[@daniel5096]

When it started my family and I were like "wHaT"

[@jammiedodger374]

I liked the song and I normally hate pop songs but I really liked it.

[@csigataraj]

That goddam' song at the end totally ruined it for me as well.

[@TheM8trixHasYou]

What Song, you mean the "I Rise" Song???

[@yeehawpartner3893]

@@TheM8trixHasYou wow ur about a year late

[@CptPipebeard]

IF THEY TOOK IT OUT WOULD ANYONE DIE?

[@finleybond9576]

Graham’s scene on the bus brings even more emotion once you realise it was mentioned earlier that his late wife was a big old fan of Rosa parks and that there was a reference to his bus driver past and the bus driver that was racist to Rosa

[@keyanstoney1742]

The Outlink I felt bad for him because imagine your the one who got Rosa parks arrested

[@meris8486]

Graham is the best character in the show, I never thought I'd be saying that considering it's Bradley Walsh

[@miabreuer5287]

i wanted him to be the bus driver

[@meris8486]

@@miabreuer5287 That would've been more interesting

[@SimsinWonderland]

I mean he married a black woman, he obviously doesn't have a racist bone in his body. I can't imagine how much it would sting to have to do that.

[@jaythosonmp439]

1st episode: tooth face 2nd: tri(intergalactic)wizard cup with flying bog roll and poundland cybermen 3rd: go space racist 4th: (any nostalgia critic fans will love this) SPIDERS! A GIANT LEGION OF SPIDERS

[@piplup2009]

"goddamn it doctor smith!"

[@ThePonderer]

“You’re going down, Spiderman! Not the superhero the...the YOU!”

[@ThatCringeCalledIggleboz]

I’m gonna get all five of ya!

[@trueblue374]

5th episode pregnant man.....Chibnall proving he can completely ruin Doctor Who woth his hatred of the white male.

[@studmalexy]

sounds like a bad Steven King novel...whats next?..the "iPhone" monster....the fridge that eats people. or how about the new greatest villain of our time?..the STRAIGHT WHITE CIS MALE!

[@ItsJustLuke656]

I felt so sorry for Graham having to be the reason that Rosa had to move

[@user_2837]

I think in the song at the end , the "for you" might be supposed to be referring to the entire black race as a whole

[@hysuka2]

It's still a bad choice. They should have used an old Negro spiritual or something.

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

@@hysuka2 Amazing Grace? NO.

[@thejoin4687]

"Take My Hand, Precious Timelord"

[@thejoin4687]

"I'm a-Time Trav'ling To The Grave" (I could go on)

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

That episode really triggered a wellspring of emotions. Never seen so many people get so bent out of shape over a song on Doctor Who. This is what Chib wants....for DW to be a real force majeure in Pop Culture. Get people talking! He succeeded, so far.

[@The8BitPianist]

Has anyone noticed the giant plothole? Does anyone remember The Waters of Mars? Baysically, at the end of the plot, the doctor tries to change an important point in human history by saving that astronaut. He wanted to be "The Time Lord Victorious", but then came to the realisation that it was impossible for him to change events of that magnitude. Following this logic, the villian from this weeks episode should not even have had the slightest chance of succeeding. Apart from that and the terrible music choices, the episode was quite likable. 6/10 is a good verdict, I think.

[@running-wolfgreen3534]

I was hung up on the Time Agency not being accounted for, but your point is solid. The new Who is just meh.

[@irrevenant3]

It depends a lot on whether something is 'a fixed point in time' or not. People can only try to tamper with fixed points at great peril (what happened to time when River refused to kill the Doctor is a great example of how bad things can get if you screw with a fixed point). Note that fixed points aren't always major historical events, and major historical events often aren't fixed points. The loss of the Mars colony was a fixed point in time. Rosa Parks' stand in Alabama wasn't.

[@The8BitPianist]

@@irrevenant3 I think it's strange how they established that Rosa Parks' stand was essential for all afro americans in the future, but despite being that important to the developement of the human kind it's not a fixed point.

[@irrevenant3]

@@The8BitPianist That *is* strange, but it's also how fixed points have been established as working. Humanity's first Mars base? Fixed point, cannot be changed. Destruction of Pompeii? Fixed point, cannot be changed. Humanity potentially being conpletely eradicated by Cybermen in 2014 (or the Daleks in 2006, or...)? Up for grabs. Its timey-wimey and probably best not looked at too closely. It's probably a necessary fudge for the show to work, though...

[@Tommo2023]

“She’s not Sherlock Holmes!” The Doctor: *Or am I?*

[@VikingSchism]

Actually you do see a police car seemingly following them when they come out of the cafe, which would explain the encounter in the motel

[@harrisont2004]

The spontaneous las vegas trip wasn’t a lie. The doctor mentions afterwards that she did actually arrange Frank Sinatra to sing in Las Vegas

[@DsRelaxingSounds]

I missed this but another KZbinr pointed it out, such a nice detail.

[@keyanstoney1742]

Harrison T yeah even in the beginning she mentions how frank refused to give up the phone to the doctor

[@theredpanda3709]

The new doctor, looks like she doesn't know what she is doing...

[@RJ_Formosa]

So I am NOT THE ONLY ONE NOTICING THE PATTERN WITH THE FIRST 3 EPISODES!

[@paulflint6254]

Ive noticed it too.

[@erikatabbouch5038]

Funny how Moffat broke the formular the most haha

[@Caileanish]

I don't get that this is somehow some big secret. Both Davies and Moffat have discussed this approach in numerous interviews.

[@copycatsworld7012]

The formula of present, future, past is so that new viewers can get a taste of all the facets of the show right of the bat.

[@octowuss1888]

@applestone Productions - THEY ARE ALL SHITE?

[@Josh-os7vn]

Also note how the last 3 Doctors only had 3 series before they left *the pattern is very notable*

[@themightysip9494]

Okay, since Matt Smith left I have been pointing this out! I call it the "Christopher Curse". I think Eccles was so bitter about his treatment on the show (allegedly) that, not only did he leave, he cursed the show so every actor stays for 3 series over a period of 4 years. That means he's also responsible for Class, which was meant to fill the gap between Series 9 & 10. Now that's evil.

[@Jaeden_Phoenix]

Nope, it started with Patrick as the 2nd Doctor, he did 3 seasons and recommended from then onward that most people stick with 3. Ofcourse, most classic doctors didnt but it stuck in NewWho

[@themightysip9494]

Back then it was a choice, now it's a compulsion from the curse. Although Jodie in an interview said she wants to be the Doctor for a long time, but then again for some people 4 years in the same role is quite a long time. If the rumours are true that we won't get series 12 until spring 2019 (apparently it's a better time of year for the show and would get even better ratings than the ones they're getting this series) then we're one step closer to the Christopher Curse striking again. Like isn't it a bit weird though that all 3 actors did 3 series AND spread those 3 over 4 years. Tennant had a year of specials, Series 7 was spread over 2 years and Capaldi took a year off.

[@Adam-nb6im]

Twelfth Doctor: 3 series Eleventh Doctor: 3 series Tenth Doctor: 3 series Seventh Doctor: 3 series Sixth Doctor: 2 series (but was in one full story tacked onto the end of the previous series) Fifth Doctor: 3 series Second Doctor: 3 series First Doctor: 3 series (but was in the first couple stories of the fourth series) Definitely a pattern.

[@erinyoulater]

Apparently Patrick Troughton told Eccleston not to stay too long and it got passed along to each doctor

[@AliceQuinnRose]

Yes, Rosa doesn't literally rise up. But by standing that stand (sit) she pretty much started the civil rights movement, which was POC rising up against racism. So Rosa was calling on people to rise up. You can be a group term. So she refused to give up her seat for all the POC that come after her. It's fairly surface level poetic analysis. And yes I agree that silence would've been good too. But it's not like they put Bysicle by Queen in the scene or anything.

[@NPCarlsson]

Oh my God! I'm imagining that right now with Bicycle playing.

[@vexylrei]

i agree that she was rising up against racism which is how i think they intended it, but the song completely took me out of the moment. Even if it wasn't silence and some calm music or something, it would've been better than sticking some shitty pop song an an inspirational moment just because the words fit.

[@crowcoregames1785]

@@NPCarlsson your here owo i love ur ytps

[@warriorcatskid003]

Yeah the song choice wasn’t my favorite, but it does make sense.

[@clayprent8753]

It was an amazing episode ofc but Rosa did not start the civil rights movement at all. As a history student who's studied the movement, her role is always overplayed. In actuality she was the cause of the Montgomery Bus Boycotts but the boycott wasn't important at all in the grand scheme of things. The struggle for black rights began long before she was even born! The NAACP certainly did more than she did. I was even told by my teacher to specifically NOT mention Rosa Parks in any essays because her role is literally minuscule. Only nitpick with this episode is that it's not entirely historically accurate.

[@Chanwills0]

I thought this episode was trash... the villain was stupid and integrating him into this story really cheapened it for me. Having sat next to my white best friend who cried and loved it and thought it was so ‘progressive’ it was such a face palm for me

[@DarkLordoftheMeme]

There seem to be two major problems with this era of Dcotor who, and they overlap. 1:The Doctor is now in charge. The Doctor - at least since Troughton - has always been an anti-authoritarian figure, thumbing his nose at those in power, and generally wrecking havoc in any society that sought to impose order. (Tom Baker and Sylvester McCoy are the most extreme examples of this) This applies equally to the Tardis, the Doctor has typically chosen companions who will defy his authority and talk back to him. Whitaker by contrast is firmly in charge of her team, telling them what's what, when they use their initiative it's at her encouragement, and she gives them a nice pat on the head afterwards. 2.The show is ridiculously heavy handed. This week we learned Racism Is Bad. Before that we learned that tricking a child into throwing themself out of a tree and breaking half their limbs to theach them that "you can't trust anyone but yourself" is Very Bad Parenting. Before that we had the vital moral lesson that killing people, ripping out their teeth and wearing them on your face is A Mean Thing to Do. Presumably next week the Doctor will take her companions to the woods to show them that This is Where the Bears Shit. Both issues have a common theme Authoritarianism. Dcotor Who has done politics in the past, and has usually tipped leftwards, but it has asked tough questions, shied away from moral certainty and let the audience make its own mind up. Now instead we have an all-wise morally perfect leader, laying down the law. This runs aganst the subversive tone, not just of Doctor Who, but of British sci-fi in general. Someone should remind Chibnal that the Doctor is an anarchist, not a communist!

[@ThePonderer]

1) is hardly a problem. The Doctor being in charge, and having companions who follow their lead rather than push against them, isn’t remotely a new or unfounded dynamic. 2) is a ridiculous reach. The “lessons” you pose for episodes one and two are only “moral lessons” because YOU chose to frame them that way. The Tree thing and the Teeth thing aren’t the show trying to soapbox about morals, their character details/backstory. Portraying those things as bad has not a single thing to do with authoritarianism, or even with trying to convey an overt message beyond “these characters are messed up and that informs why they’re not good people”. This complaint is downright silly, and your arms must hurt after stretching *that* hard.

[@ThePonderer]

Laurence Winch-Furness also, “anarchist?” “Shied away from moral certainty?” Have you just been watching a different show to everyone else? This program (and especially the Doctor as a character) has NEVER shied away from the idea of moral certainty- that some things are Just Right and some things are Just Wrong. And the Doctor’s guiding philosophy has NEVER been anarchism. I’m beginning to think you stumbled in here from an alternate universe where Doctor Who is nothing like what it is here.

[@CaptainGrue]

@@ThePonderer The Doctor's definitely no anarchist (he bloody worked for UNIT) but he does have strong anti-authoritarian sentiments, rooted in the many many quibbles he's had with the Time Lords. I also think there's a fair share of episodes new and old that work to pose moral questions without giving a straight forward answer. The Curse of Peladon, The Sensorites, The Beast Below, Dalek off the top of my head. Family of Blood has Tennant do some pretty awful stuff. Capaldi's arc was centred around the idea that he might not be doing the 'right' thing and episodes like Into the Dalek reflect this. In fact I would even say that Rosa supports this motif, and the question of whether or not it was right for them not to intervene adds weight to the story. While The Doctor's companions tend to misbehave and wander off, it just seems like a trope for the sake of a making characters do stupid things and limits the scope of characters you could write for the show. In any case, I'm sure we'll see what both of you are talking about as the Doc does make the jump between strategist team captain and teenage rebel

[@ThePonderer]

Of course the show has tackled issues with no clear moral answer, but I think there's a fine line between that and avoiding the very idea that moral certainties exist. The Doctor as a character, and the show for the most part, have very solid morals and believe in mostly well-defined rights and wrongs that it wants the audience to pick up on and adopt.

[@DarkLordoftheMeme]

@@CaptainGrue I was using the term "anarchist" in a pretty colloquial sense, not as a strict definition of the Doctor's philosophy. (although McCoy steared pretty close to it) Pertwee worked for Unit, he was probably the least rebelious Doctor, but he still had massive issues with the Brigadeer's authority. There are plenty of examples of things being definitely *wrong* in the whoniverse, but but far fewer examples of things being defintely right. The consistent morals of the show have definitely been very broad, and the best episodes have left questions open ended, consider the Doctor's classic "do I have the right" speech in Genesis of the Daleks. Having multiple wirters put their own spin on the story helps add nuance, since each writer brings their own perspective. Looking at the lineup for this serries it seems Chibnal's name is on nearly every episode, so we're likely to see a single "party line" being trotted out.

[@gamingguru2k6]

It isn't exactly the case that everybody was very openly mean. It is more that the average person was complacent. People were not challenging the unfair treatment of minorities. That is not exactly the same as directly abusing minorities, but it is an indirect endorsement of the unfair treatment.

[@ErinTheFennec]

Which is why I liked the scenes where people stared, as they weren't really willing to say something either way, but nor would many have wanted to be seen acting in a way that could make them be viewed as different.

[@gamingguru2k6]

I think people forget that most people in general are complacent with the politics at any given time. People tend to focus so much on their own survival, so it is easier for them to miss political issues that indirectly affect them. There is the expression, if the most popular vote always won, then didn't vote would always win.

[@arturofernandez4058]

That was the biggest priblem of the episode, and one of the biggest problems in general since last season. Subtelty and nuance went out the window after Heaven Sent. Now all we have is black and white sernarios and spoonfed ideas. It would have been so much better to see the average person being an unwanted bystander instead of a world of douchebags

[@gamingguru2k6]

@@arturofernandez4058 I think you get what I am saying. Even in really bad societies, there are far fewer out right horrible people than most people would think. I cannot remember the last time I saw subtlety and nuance in a film/show. I don't think most people notice how bad a lot of writing can be nowadays, because they don't think about what they are watching.

[@leslieshafer6343]

@@gamingguru2k6 Unfortunately the outright horrible people are usually the loudest. And I think most of the people in this episode did come across as bystanders. By my count only about 5 people were openly confrontational. Compared to a lot of recent Doctor Who episodes I think this episode was subtle.

[@FlowerProductions1]

Hated that final scene with the Doctor and the companions in the TARDIS, felt so forced and unnatural

[@NPCarlsson]

I thought it was better than that bit at the end of the Agatha Christie episode, though.

[@waawaaaa]

Feel like they should have gone the Van gogh route and shown her what her actions done

[@sheena9178]

Nah, they did that with Vincent because Vincent was unsure of himself, but Rosa Park knew exactly what she was fighting for. I feel like it was more powerful that she didn't know what would happen and that she did it anyway.

[@arturofernandez4058]

Yeah, felt like an educational video about racism. Because screw nuance in storytelling

[@metalmugen]

It was so subtle though you racist (BIG SARCASM)

[@ryanager8029]

The concept of a muted criminal that can’t hurt anyone, but is actively trying to alter history for their ideology to prosper is a brilliant concept. The issue is that so much time had to be spent focusing around Rosa, for good reason, that exploring that concept didn’t get to happen, meaning that hiring the actor was pointless, when the whole story could have literally been, “whoops, accidentally landed in 1955 coz something isn’t right here/now, let’s explore, whoops we accidentally make a scene on James Blake’s bus, he decides to take the day off, different bus driver means Rosa doesn’t protest, civil rights fight gets delayed and various points in time, like Apartheid ending, Obama, the Stolen Generations, and many smaller but impactful moments don’t happen, we’ve screwed up history, we need to go back and fix it.”

[@ChristianDHRichter]

This Guy was really the Racist Counter Part of Captain Jack Harkness!

[@SuperLloyd84]

Krasko is the one shag Captain Jack is ashamed of.

[@finnsweeney2604]

At first I thought he WAS Captain Jack

[@lazarus9258]

I wish the Doctor referenced him in this episode though...

[@thedoctorwhoexpert7]

Totally agree with the use of the song at the end, just totally irrelevant and unnecessary

[@ChaosCloud96]

thought I would hate Jodie as the doctor and so far I like her, what I do hate is all 3 opening episodes they have all been boring and I have found myself saying "is this nearly finished" and I have never said that about dr who ever.

[@gdcruz7186]

I agree. The writing has been very boring and the stories told aren't exciting. I do like Jodie. She reminds me of Tennant actually and the tenth doctor.

[@goodwifeweaver]

Agreed. I have been surprised, because I expected it to either be really great or really horrible, and instead it's just..."meh." I can't bring myself to care about any of the characters or follow what's happening at all. Got up during this one and fed the dog for something to do. I think Jodie could be fine if they would give her a decent story.

[@gdcruz7186]

@@goodwifeweaver We also have a different writer, so there goes that. Moffat gave us some of the best of Doctor Who. It's just a little different without him.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Jodie's great. Chibnall isn't.

[@CoryMck]

My favorite ongoing inside joke is the content of the doctor's pockets. Let's see how long we can keep this up for.

[@ThreeFlatDucks]

I genuinely wanted after Ryan to be smacked the title to be rolled

[@bloodrunsclear]

'How convenient' That basically defines this entire series at this point

[@steveskeggy61]

Lets be honest here. How many British white people had heard the name Rosa Parks before this episode? How many Doctor Who fans are getting a little fed up of the political correctness being shoved down our necks in the name of entertainment? How many Doctor Who fans wish the new series called Doctor Who, would make Doctor Who the main character?

[@michaelrose93]

I found the plot a bit silly; after all, the Civil Rights movement would have happened with or without Rosa Parks. Yet they're acting as if they missed this one chance, it would never have happened, which is absurd.

[@riley6171]

Loving your reviews man, keep it up!

[@ben8376]

Loving the reviews so far, it’s glad to have someone with a good mind who fleshes out their ideas instead of twitter’s “OMG DAT WAS AMAYZING 10/10!!” critics....

[@running-wolfgreen3534]

WatchMojoUK.... *cough cough*

[@ben8376]

Running-Wolf Green bad throat?

[@bretsheeley4034]

For most of the episode I thought the guy from the future was actually just a Time Cop who was set to watch Rosa and make sure everything went smoothly without any outside interference - in other words, this was just his current beat. He picked up on the Tardis' energy just as the Doctor picked up on his and they were thus getting distracted from something else that was about to knock the timeline off-track. Hell, the fact he didn't attack Rosa and that his weapon only time-dislocated things/people (to say maybe, an interrogation room in his own time period) kept me thinking that was the case for most of the episode. Then he turned out to be just some random racist from the future. Uh... okay. That was disappointing. I really did wish they kept it as a pure historical. I miss those. That said, I didn't mind the issue of her mentioning she was a cop. At that point I think Rosa recognized she was not from the U.S. and was from a nation with much more tolerant laws.

[@willharris4324]

I think they should have made it so that graham ended up having to be the bus driver that arrested rosa instead. That would've been really powerful

[@RiainRamblez]

The pop song really killed it. Totally took me out of the mood. I imagine seeing Graham's reaction with this awful silence would have killed me, but instead I was completely taken out of the moment. It's a real shame

[@MisterBurgerBeachball]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time a song with words from an outside source was used. It isn't Doctor Who's style to use songs like that.

[@rkah6187]

@@MisterBurgerBeachball Yes, outside songs (especially with lyrics) were only used where there was actually music in the scene, like the performer singing on the Orient Express or at Donna's (First) Wedding Reception. They usually use their own score.

[@osiancoleman8447]

Tbh I think present, future, past works pretty well although u could do it in a different order. Maybe something like Space,Past,Present, future I’m no particular order.

[@jaywhatever9073]

That song annoyed me so much too. I mean it felt like the scene went on for ages just because the song was playing and that's not great because it is supposed to be a powerful scene. It was also dissapointing because so many people overhyped it. I had watched it one day after release and people were ranking it as one of their top 5 favourite doctor who episodes...

[@MisterBurgerBeachball]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time a song with words from an outside source was used. It isn't Doctor Who's style to use songs like that.

[@kbg12ila]

I actually don't think the formula of present, future, past is a problem. Just because it's a formula doesn't make it bad. I don't see any actual issues with the content because of this formula being used. I definitely agree with the song. That was a BAD choice. Although I'd still say that this episode has many more amazing moments than bad ones.

[@copycatsworld7012]

The formula of present, future, past is so that new viewers can get a taste of all the facets of the show right of the bat.

[@kbg12ila]

copycats world Exactly. I would never take points off the show for doing that.

[@crowcoregames1785]

oh well at least this epsoide wasnt solved by pressing a button youknow like the last 2 episodes *rembers the scene where the bad guy was zaped to the past* oh for

[@richardlawson5929]

I've only recently discovered your videos and I've been pleasantly surprised. I may not always agree with your opinions but they are very well presented and with well-thought-out reasoning behind them. I never considered just how out of place that song was until you mentioned it. You've made a subscriber and patreon out of me. Good luck with your channel.

[@yussepig6629]

I just thought the whole thing was cringe and inappropriate for Dr Who. The time traveller criminal was also pointless. And Jodi has no presence or command and just spouts exposition and history lessons. All very woke and bland.

[@SolanaGalaxy]

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[@arthurnewton1125]

Watching this episode was fun; watching your review was fun; but what's most fun is reading he complaints of all the little brats in the comments section going on about how this episode is "too SJW," and that the racism is "too forced." Yeah, because 1950s Alabama TOTALLY wasn't the racist capital of the US.

[@aisnota5192]

3:57 Drunk History actually had a segment that explored Rosa's protest that showed that what happened was a bit more complicated than most thought. The Villain of this episode was doomed to fail as he hot the wrong date.

[@Crikeys57]

This really just seemed like a left over script from Timeless. Swap Rittenhouse for the guy from the future to try and change history and that’s it. They were also never in danger as he wasn’t allowed to kill anyone. Timeless did a similar episode to do with Woman’s rights in set in 1919.

[@notAshildr]

That's exactly what I thought. It felt like Timeless. White supremacist wanting to stop histoy from happening, and a group of time travellers who just so happen to portray the same ethnic groups as in Timeless try to stop him. You'd only have to cut the scene about the neuro blocker and wouldn't have to change even one more line to adapt it. I don't actuallly think the episode even works with Doctor Who's established time travel rules. If that point in time isn't a fixed one, I don't know what is. We have also already established that the butterfly effect doesn't exist in Doctor Who, because "History wants to happen". Every ripple will smooth itself out in Doctor Who timetravel, whereas in Timeless every ripple could have catastrophic effects.

[@regiman222]

1:43 Incompetent or an asshole? Hard to tell at this point, but I'm sure they'll pick the safer option that reflects themselves.

[@phoenixheart79]

Personally, I thought it was a good episode but not great, primarily because the story of Rosa Parks is one that I don't think any show can do true justice to in 45 minutes. That said, what they did create was good and solid, if a little clunky at times, with a welcome return to Doctor Who being educational as well as entertainment (the idea when it was first created). What I find most praiseworthy is how the Doctor and companions interact with these historical events. It's pretty much standard within the show that the Doctor will jump into historical events feet first, directly interfering (and sometimes even becoming the motivating factor). Here, our merry band of time travelers work subtly, often behind the scenes to ensure that events unfold as they should with very little direct involvement (other than occupying seats on a bus). In that way, it reminded me strongly of the Deep Space Nine episode Trials and Tribbleations, where the future crew work quietly in the background of events to ensure everything happens as it should, with minimal interference from them. It's a breath of fresh air next to Doctor Who's usual approach to historical events and works really well with this particular story, as having the Doctor in anyway become influential on Rosa's decisions would detract from her decision to stay where she was. Now, this approach isn't going to work for every story, but I'm glad they branched out from the feet first style for once. It helps the episodes message greatly - as does the song. Bluntly, you really missed the point there. The lyrics fit because by sitting down Rosa was standing up for her rights and the rights of all black people, saying "no, I won't move, I have the right to sit here as much as any white person". That's why the song is there. It's a metaphor for the impact of her choice and action. Personally, I'd give it a 7.5 or 8 - good, but not brilliant.

[@thegirlwhowaserased]

OMG, the end credits with the latest doctor who poop remix... I think I'm lowkey in love with you!

[@Dim4323]

1st rule The doctor lies

[@carealoo744]

The time traveller should have been: 'The Monk!'

[@l.g.7428]

Once more, the plot makes no sense at all. The bad guy wants to change history. Well, why not sending Rosa Parks right to the 57th century with his gun-toy ? Problem solved ! The Doctor wants to stop the bad guy. Well, why not capturing him, instead of letting him go ? The Doc paralysed a man with one finger in last week's episode, for god's sake ! Problem solved too ! Instead, they all make scoobidoo-ish plans like if it was a (very) bad Sliders episode. This is exactly what Chibnall's writing is always about : amateurish plot holes "but let's make the characters running all over the place so that the viewer will not have time to think". This is poor, this is wrong, this is not pro at all. But the worst here is that everyone in the fifties is written like a dumbshit, including (and this si so wrong on every level) Rosa Parks. Yeah well, can you tell us all about you, where you live, where you work, it's for a Tombola. "Oh yeah whatever I believe you despite the fact you're not talking to anyone else". Ok, then, I've followed you by night but it's because I sympathize with you. "Oh yeah, whatever, come in and make some coffee". I need my coat to be repaired because it's pretty much alive to me and I can't live without it. "Oh yeah, whatever, you're the lady from the fake tombola who asked your friend to follow me by night and now you're bullshiting me about your coat and talking to me as if I were five year old but it's okay, I believe you because I'm plain stupid". This is a shame. No, people in the fifties were no more retards than you and me. They were not gullible little childs-at-heart. And the fight against racism was a collective fight : you can't say it's the doing of one people only without spitting on the rest of the community's actions... and basically, it's what this épisode do. So yeah, it sucks. It's even worse than that.

[@RichyTheGamer1]

I was seriously worried when Ryan followed Rosa at night. Night walking while being black at this time wasn't good for you health. First time I was seriously worried in DW

[@paladinboyd1228]

To be honest the episode lays the racism on too heavy it felt almost cartoonish. It makes the episode feel poorly written, which damages both the show and the message that it tries to get across.

[@ThePonderer]

Paladin Boyd welcome to America. It was (and in some cases still is) Really That Bad.

[@paladinboyd1228]

The Ponderer, True. Just wish the episode didn’t undermine that fact.

[@danke1150]

@@ThePonderer "and in some cases still is" - Are you talking about affirmative action which punishes Whites for the crime of being White?

[@paladinboyd1228]

Danke, I would assume so.

[@ThePonderer]

Danke I’m talking about *actual hate crimes* that end with people injured or dead you dingus. Have some perspective.

[@regiman222]

Was the 2nd episode in the future? I didn't think the tooth predators had time travel tech. Also it being set during the present would be a good reason nobody has even heard of humanity, we haven't left our own planet yet

[@adacskipper]

I don't disagree that the song felt out of place, but I feel you're overreacting to it a bit. It was a pretty small part of a great scene, and I don't think its fair to say it ruined the whole scene when the actors and writers did such a great job.

[@FeralSnows]

It sucked plain and simple. Felt like I was watching a twisted version of Quantum Leap. The supposed villain was literally harmless. Graham was the saving grace of the show, but it will be interesting to see what happens when they end up somewhere without buses/bus drivers. Show is still blah and boring, I recorded to watch it and the next episode was The Doctor, The widow and the wardrobe. And I was very disappointed I hadn't recorded that one instead.

[@dojokonojo]

I thought the episode was fine, the dialog was entertaining and the companion moments were great, but I couldn't help thinking that many people were going to hate it. Doctor Who is what it is, so episodes being bad don't bother me like it does other people. Going to a time period where the racism is not only overt, but a real setting not just a Sci-Fi setting where aliens are abstract bigots, that people would accuse this of being the most "SJW" of any Doctor Who episode yet. Surveys show a majority of people hate all the focus current on "social justice". However, it seems people are more positive about this episode than I thought. One could say the episode is being too preachy, and it clearly has a message. I don't think we can look at history and say the methods people employed against racism were not disruptive. Marches and sermons and sit-ins; Eisenhower calling in the national guard to force de-segregation of schools. If the internet existed back then, it would be an even bigger dumpster fire. With current events, I would imagine that people are seeking escapist entertainment to turn their minds away. I don't condone racism, but I know people who are racist, members of my family included. There are people today who want to turn back to clocks and bring back segregation. Some even argue, some minorities included, that segregation would be better overall for society. So yeah, I'm sure this episode is a mixed bag. I was expecting the backlash to be as big as the one against The Last Jedi. Some will like it, many will hate it.

[@crunch1757]

Doctor who is watched by and marketed to kids using the n word would have made parents angry

[@Greytruth2]

Completely agree, that song was an utter cringefest. Was like watching a bad soap opera. They could have played sombre music or nothing and really carried the weight of that moment in history but instead turned it into something that was meant to get the viewers up and applaud like maniacs whilst crying big crocodile tears. I left my living room rolling my eyes the moment the credits rolled. Dunno whose idea it is to keep putting shitty pop music into Doctor Who but they need to be fired. First the trailer music and now this. Maybe next they'll do a gay episode and have a years and years song play.

[@ANIMALFLYER456]

I think the 'present, future and past' formula is because the companion wants to go to the future to see the changes to there norm, then see a historical figure. As you wouldn't go back first as most people have seen what happened already in books, you want to see something not recorded yet. I'd go the future first

[@Cyclops0807]

Doctor Who Communist Episode = white Christian man bad.

[@caspianwillis6251]

Just here to comment that if you're not on the discord you totally should be. I joined for the last ep and it's not only a lot of fun, but it's good seeing people's views in real time.

[@JohnyFirst]

*Before watching* - Hell yea, this guy is going to rip apart this shit episode *After watching* - Oh... Guess I'm the only one who thinks this was one of the worst episodes of new who... :/

[@SekondSparkTreg]

You are not alone my child

[@MarcelNL]

Nope, check bowlestrek's review! :-)

[@elenaphisher244]

Johny First Time will prove you right.

[@PotatoOnAQuest]

Yeah... I’m not a fan of this either. I watch Doctor Who to see an alien and companions in a box finding there way against creative monsters through out time and space. This felt more like a parody of magic school bus or something...

[@MarcelNL]

Nah I do like trips to the past, but the SJW-agenda is just way too strong for me to enjoy the show.

[@daphne.mp3]

the brain thingy that guy had that stops him from hurting people is almost exactly like spikes in Buffy the vampire slayer

[@peacefuldawn6823]

nothing on the TARDIS? Because it looks even worse this episode than the previous! #notmytardis

[@brucecox5884]

I suspect this whole season will be bashing our heads about women suffering. I also suspect that one of her "travelers" is more than meets the eye.

[@astoldbyanakinskywalker2981]

The actress who played Rosa parks wasn't even Black. Cultural appropriation.

[@weedywet]

and Jodie Whitaker isn't actually Gallifreyan. How dare they?

[@astoldbyanakinskywalker2981]

@@weedywet Gallifreyans don't exist people of African descent do you stupid bigoted racist piece of shit.

[@daiujin]

THANK YOU, JUST THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THE BULLSHIT EVERYONE ELSE WASNT TALKING ABOUT

[@thattwitalex]

I slightly disagree with one point, that being the racism not feeling OTT but this is only for one occasion. I'm pointing to the bus driver being told a sit in is going to happen so he goes "not on my watch" here. I find it very hard to believe that a bus driver would care about his job so much that he would abandon a day off so that he could go back to bus driving, I doubt that the satisfaction that character would get from putting black people in their place (no that is not me talking, that's from the perspective of the character) would outweigh the good feels of a fishing trip regardless of two people's attempts at meddling with it. Another issue I have with the episode is that the scene behind the bins and right at the end in the tardis make the episode feel like an educational history video. You know the type, where they have characters act out something and then turn to the audience and have a monologue about life in those times. It feels off to me but what do I know, I failed GCSE English. Actually have a second issue with the video, that being Ryan having the time gun thingy suddenly, that's OK in my eyes. I know that Chekhov's gun is a thing but I don't think that the time gun needed to be set up that explicitly for it to pay off and in fact it shows weakness in Ryan's character as he is told by the doctor not to play with it because it's bad tech yet he goes against that to beat the space racist.

[@ПавелПовх-з3у]

I think they are building up to Ryan being antagonisting in the end of a season.

[@mrflibble1259]

The "Ryan Sinclair, don't you dare!" Remix is one of the funniest videos I've seen in ages, I urge everyone to follow the link in the description, it's just great

[@madmelon5479]

What happened to sonic screwdriver only being good to open doors why have they made it into a freaking wand! 😡

[@bumbum4080]

Btw, nice video, I’m really enjoying seeing your reviews weekly, keep up the good work Harry! 😁

[@CrossGuardMania]

All i got from this episode is why is this in my Doctor Who ?

[@therusn8r10]

You needed the time travelling baddie to bring the Artron energy which attracted the TARDIS.

[@dandyshadowyt5513]

DON’T YOU DAREEEEE!

[@_L33]

Yup

[@ThisisalGOOGLESCHANNEL]

so will this incarnation of the doctor get an adequate adversary? or just ones like Racy McRacist from the planet PlotDevice

[@mrg1495]

I would give I 1/10 because the episode was boring to watch and didn't keep me instered. Also the need to fire chris chinnaled because he wrote crap doctor who episodes as we have seen in the past and now he doing it again with anintire season of Doctor who #firethewriter4doctorwho

[@tinywarfare9109]

What language is this? Google translate is having a problem.

[@theblockbreakerpog]

Graham is my favourite Season 11 character, anyone else?

[@keithmeynell299]

The reason why no body knows Rosa Parks is that it is American history not British just as many people have never heard about what happened at 'Black Wall Street' and other American events. Rosa Parks is not relevant to British history or British society.

[@dorememe8548]

5:50 “She’s not Sherlock bloody Holmes.” Uhh, yeah she is. She’s the Doctor. She’s got a few thousand years of space and time travel knowledge to pull from and that Time Lord/Lady knowledge and stuff. All of the Doctor’s background story leads to her being able to deduce that stuff. Also, she’s familiar with the prison the guy was kept in because her deceased wife was incarcerated in there.

[@harveygeorgefoster]

but they are British! why would Rosa be upset with an off-duty British cop?

[@irrevenant3]

You didn't see Ryan go back for the weapon but when the Doctor snatched it off him it seemed pretty likely from the look on his face that he wasn't going to just forget about it. In a season that's generally been too heavy-handed with the exposition that was enough for me.

[@inspector_beyond]

I bet that someone will call you racist for not calling this episode 10/10

[@finnsweeney2604]

People did but as a joke

[@inspector_beyond]

@SimplY SillY i cant have lack and asian friends. Russia doesnt have that big amount of these races. There's no racism in Russia.

[@SoLetsGoOutside]

Oh, wait till you see episode 4... 😑😑😑

[@Whysosadams]

I found this episode so moving. Upon watching and rewatching i was brought to tears. And i feel that without the song that effect would not have happened. I agree that it wasn't very "doctor who" but this is a new era and trying out new things is good. I also feel like some aspects you critiqued are actually good such as the villan being so bland. This spoke to the universality of the problem of racism and more of a human and therefore embarasing problem. But it also put the protagonists in the position of being in the right all the time forwarding the message of inclusivity.

[@ThePonderer]

Ditto

[@trevorrandom]

Keep paying your lience fee!

[@obiwankenobi687]

Daniel Adams I thought it was very Doctor Who, fit perfectly in with the spirit of the show and the doctors morals and ideals

[@aestheticgarbage6671]

I didn't feel like I was watching a doctor who episode at all, which is the main reason why I didn't enjoy it.

[@smidget5843]

i think the song totally ruined it. it did for me anyway. silence would have been more profound.

[@crapdrawings3565]

When will you be reviewing the other seasons of inside no.9 and have you seen the recent Halloween special

[@MrToastBenstudios]

Is that the new DWPoop song being played at the end?

[@SuperLloyd84]

All I heard was a bunch of fart noises.

[@bumbum4080]

To be honest...Doctor Who actually is an alien version of Sherlock Holmes

[@jamiefairburn9389]

Personally enjoyed this episode. Gave it a 7-8/10 being generous. I found quite a few people hated this because it 'wasn't doctor who' which I found quite annoying. One such person said that doctor who shouldn't tackle these issues and stick to time traveling fun which I completely disagree with. I think it's self explanatory that doctor who is more than that. With its target demographic, it is important for doctor who to raise awareness of these issues and I'm happy if it tried to raise more through time.

[@joshuaberardelli9461]

My biggest thing about the episode is since it is in the past those events already happened, so we know they are gonna succeed because otherwise the present and future would have been different and the whole Rosa Parks incident, we knew she wouldn’t move and got arrested because it already happened so no matter how much that guy tried there was no way he could change that timeline, because if he did the creatures from when Rose saved her father would appear to correct the timeline

[@carrot708]

That's not how the reapers work. They only appeared because of the double-paradox of the Doctor and Rose seeeing Rose save her father's life, which wounded the fabric of time

[@christophereverard2842]

Forced and just poorly done. Doctor Who is not freaking Quantum Leap.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

And neither of them had semi-working science like this show does.

[@watchvidjedi]

AWESOME AD PLACEMENT. much respect x

[@theoktoberscarf]

Would've been sweet if at the end of the episode. The Doctor took the TARDIS team onto a large transport vessel named "The Rosa." A vessel of many races treated in equal seating arrangements and respect while traveling the stars. Showing how an impact can spread that far. I mean, sounds better than a rock that someone can easily miss or see float into a black hole. Or a hub world planet where everyone race treats each other equally. Which could then lead into the comeback of the Daleks, a race of alien tanks that despise all life but their own?

[@alecstanleyy]

The rise up part was a metaphor for her rising against whites and standing up for her own rights. the 'for you' part obviously represented the whole of the black race and the future. The song was quite sudden but if you think about it for more than a few seconds then it makes sense.

[@smidget5843]

that song honestly ruined the episode for me. it makes sense but it was SO out of place. silence would have been leagues better than that shit.