Did Jesus Go To Hell? 🤔✝️📖

[@richardwashington421]

Guest: "I'm about to give you a lot of Greek and Latin." Josh: "Don't tempt me with a good time." 😂😂😂

[@sheilaroberts8650]

I laughed so hard at that point 🤣🤣🤣

[@TanyaGriva]

I'm so excited to hear your opinions on the subject matter. I heard a prosperity preacher mention that Jesus did go to hell for 3 days before ascending into heaven. I have a hard time believing what I heard.

[@brettlovett6011]

Sounds like that preacher was misstating it. I agree with @thirdplace above -- Jesus went to Paradise, not Hell.

[@tomragsdale6547]

Few people who read the book of Jonah notice that when Jonah prays from within the fish's belly (Jonah 2:1-9) he is actually thanking God for having delivered him from Hades/Sheol (which is "down to the bottoms of the mountains"). While Jonah is still inside the fish's belly he says, "yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God". Jonah was in Hades (in the heart of the earth, in "the bottoms of the mountains") crying out to the Lord; then the Lord heard his cry and delivered him from Hades, and THEN, having been delivered from Hades/Sheol, Jonah, still within the fish's belly, praises God for bringing him out of Hades, and promises to do what God had commanded him to do; and it is THEN that God has the fish vomit Jonah out onto dry land. What seems to have happened is, after being cast into the sea, Jonah sank to the bottom and DROWNED, and, being dead, his SOUL went from there to Hades in "the bottoms of the mountains". His BODY, on the other hand, with his head wrapped in seaweed, was swallowed up by the great fish/sea monster, and Jonah's BODY was in the creature's belly for 3 days and 3 nights (approx. 72 hours). While Jonah's SOUL was in Hades he cried out to God in despair. Then God heard his cry and delivered his soul from Hades, and his soul was re-united with his body in the fish's belly. Then, from within the fish (but no longer in Hades), Jonah praised God and vowed to complete his mission. So THEN God had the fish spew Jonah out so he could do that. From Jonah's POV, Hades/Sheol and the fish's belly are NOT the same place. In the same way, Hades (the heart/core/center of the earth) and Joseph's tomb, where Jesus' body was placed, are NOT the same place. Jesus' body only spent about 36 hours inside that hewn-out stone; but His SOUL spent 3 days and 3 nights (about 72 hours) in the abyss in the realm of the dead.

[@Manofwar7]

My thoughts exactly. Jonah cried out from hades!

[@richardwashington421]

Jesus's proclamation to the spirits in the prison "Hey what's up everybody. I win." 💪🏽

[@juliancarter3107]

Amen! Remember He created Hell as a Prison for Satan & His Demons. Why can’t he go to Hell? He is The Creator, Warden, & THE Judge!

[@dianna0307]

​@@GabeHerringten 1 Peter 3:19-21 KJV By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; [20] Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. [21] The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: It's does say this

[@ricardirickydorante5894]

​@@dianna0307 amen

[@TheStemo1]

My only question would be 'what's the point?' If he's going to tell demons that he won - why? The devil and demons are not in hell for the most part, they are in the 2nd heaven, so there's not many demons to boast to.

[@TheStemo1]

@@dianna0307 This comes off awkward in the English, but notice that it says "in the days of Noah." Jesus didn't go to hell in the days of Noah. It is saying that Jesus preached "by the Spirit" and "in the days of Noah" to the "spirits in prison" - the spirits that were alive during Noah's day but were in 'prison' in the time Peter was writing. Even if we assume this is about God going to hell, it says "by the Spirit ['by which also he went']" and preached, it does not say Jesus went Himself.

[@KTrusty5]

This literally came up yesterday in our house, I can’t believe you discussed it the same day.

[@robertlee8519]

I really wish Mike Heiser was still around, because he would be good for this conversation. Even though I'm Protestant and reformed, to a degree, there's some good Greek Orthodox resources on this as well.

[@Rich386a]

Same.... Heiser is definitely missed.

[@davidwireback8621]

Heiser got off track by focusing on at non-inspired work by the Holy Spirit. The book of Enoch was not inspired even though there were references to it. My perception of the man was that he wasn't excepted in regular academic circle so he started his own and had his little Enoch group. He did this to gain acceptance. He is not someone we should listen to

[@robertlee8519]

@@davidwireback8621 that's an absolute mischaracterization and it shows how you're uninformed on his work

[@oztheberean]

Dr. Heiser is someone who we should absolutely listen to. In a world where we have zero problem watching and listening to absolute garbage, we have a problem with Dr. Heiser? Laughable. Miss that brother dearly.

[@robertlee8519]

@@oztheberean Amen, brother

[@andreso9595]

The Medieval Artistic theme of “Christ Descending into Limbo” it puts into context the victory we have in Christ Jesus! Hallelujah!

[@Benjamin-rp4hq]

Very interesting. You guys find great guests. That helped my understanding on the topic.

[@ChristianPhilosemite]

So how do I approach Hebrews 9:27 if people are in a "holding cell" before being raised for either glory or shame? Thanks.

[@blynkers1411]

Proper hermeneutics is the best way to approach Hebrews 9:27. Simply don't take it out of its context. The passage in which it's found isn't teaching exhaustive anthropological doctrines. It's contrasting temporal, human, humanly-appointed priests versus the eternal High Priest ministry of Jesus Christ. Simple human priests physically die and ultimately, eventually face judgment just like everyone else. Jesus, our High Priest, is simply better in all of these regards: which is one of the key messages of the Book of Hebrews in its greater context.

[@BeMoreAwareGodWatches]

17:06 Exactly!!! He went there, but as KING 👑 Well said my dude.

[@juliancarter3107]

Amen! Remember He created Hell as a Prison for Satan & His Demons. Why can’t he go to Hell? He is The Creator, Warden, & THE Judge!

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Let's assume that "Christianity's" fictional version of hell is biblical. Such a belief would require someone to believe that the Bible is wrong when it says that Christ really died. If someone believes Christ went to this fictional version of hell, they'd have to believe that Christ didn't really die. That belief is Gnosticism dressed up as Christianity. The question isn't "why can't He go to Hell?". The question is "does this belief makes biblical sense?".

[@brettlovett6011]

I agree, but I think we should keep our terms straight. Jesus went to paradise and possibly hades, not 'Hell'.

[@mariakarlson7537]

Love the Heiser references. Proud middle earther here

[@andreso9595]

Dr. Emerson made a great point unfortunately Protestantism denies refutes points of doctrine/theology, at times, solely because “its too Catholic/Orthodox”.😞😣

[@georgefuentes4112]

Sad and true. I pray Protestants are able to discern when this is being done because it is very dangerous to those that do.

[@andreso9595]

@@georgefuentes4112 Amen Brother George!

[@calebrogers693]

Did he really cite Daniel 12 speaking of resurrection to life or resurrection to judgement as evidence for a conscious intermediate state? How is that chapter not clearly speaking of the bodily resurrection of all on judgement day?

[@andreso9595]

Great conversation yall, another great resource is “The Battle for the Keys” by Justin Bass

[@tomragsdale6547]

According to Justin Bass in the book Matt Emerson mentioned, "Descensus ad Inferos" would be Latin for "Descent to the inferior ones" (plural - referring to the souls of the dead in the underworld), and "Descensus ad Inferna" would be Latin for "Descent to the infernal region" (singular - the realm of the dead itself). So, not exactly synonymous. By the way, in his book The Battle for the Keys, Justin did not hold to the idea that the phrase "he led captivity captive" in Eph 4:8 was specifically referring to Jesus FREEING the captives from Hades. He does believe Jesus went there "to preach deliverance to the captives" (Luke 4:18), and believes He did rescue the righteous from that place when He rose from the dead; but he doesn't think that's what the phrase in Eph 4:8 (and Psalm 68:18, and Judges 5:12) is about. See page 83 & 84 in his book: "The phrase ηχμαλώτευσεν αιχμαλωσίαν consistently refers to the hostile capture of enemies through battle and therefore could hardly mean Christ's saints. Christ's leading captivity captive also occurs in his ascension (Eph 4:8; Col 2:15) and not in his descent because Paul sees the demonic hosts in the heavenly realms which Christ passed through at his ascension. We should include Satan in this captivity (Eph 2:2), but death, the curse, and sin are not in view here. This does not mean that Christ did not also release the captives of the righteous dead in the underworld (see below), but I do not think that is what is being taught in the phrase 'he led captivity captive.' This is dealing with his overpowering the demonic hosts at his ascent, not his descent." I would tend to agree with Justin Bass when it comes to the phrase ηχμαλώτευσεν αιχμαλωσίαν, but I'm not sure he's correct when he says that Jesus, as He exited the realm of the dead, "released the captives of the righteous dead in the underworld" at THAT time. My personal belief is that the rescue of the saved captives takes place when Jesus RETURNS, after He has been glorified (i.e. the Parousia). At the time of the Descensus Jesus PREACHED to the dead. At His Second Coming He rescues those who have heard His preaching and have received Him as Lord, and they are resurrected at THAT time. When Jesus left Hades (prior to His resurrection), He left with the keys of Hades and Thanatos (the two gods of the underworld who previously had possession of those keys). When Jesus comes back, He will use those keys to unlock the gates of Hades and Death (the REGIONS in the underworld where the dead are kept) and will free the prisoners, those who had heard and favorably responded to His preaching during His first visit (and/or who had accepted Him before they died.)

[@davidskenyanmemoirs2756]

I really enjoyed this episode. Very informative. Would like to get the book but it's pretty expensive.

[@daystar39]

Interesting for sure...Methodist use the Apostles creed in their every Sunday liturgy without the descent clause but in their Baptism liturgy they include the descent clause...Wesley believed in it but wasn't sure what exactly it entailed....this was a fun discussion...very little angry chatroom heresy charges...some but not as many as I would have thought, thank God

[@EllenSmyth]

Jesus definitely went to Sheol, but no part of Sheol is Paradise. All scripture that explicitly speaks of Sheol does so in a negative light, even for the righteous: My days are past; my plans are broken off, the desires of my heart. They make night into day: ‘The light,’ they say, ‘is near to the darkness.’ If I hope for Sheol as my house, if I make my bed in darkness, if I say to the pit, ‘You are my father,’ and to the worm, ‘My mother,’ or ‘My sister,’ where then is my hope? Who will see my hope? Will it go down to the bars of Sheol? Shall we descend together into the dust?” --Job 17:11-16 Sheol is a prison, even the side that the righteous Job will descend to. For in death there is no remembrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise? --Psalms 6:5, a psalm of David The cords of Sheol entangled me; the snares of death confronted me. --Psalms 18:5, a psalm of David O LORD, you have brought up my soul from Sheol; you restored me to life from among those who go down to the pit. --Psalms 30:3, a psalm of David The only instance we have where someone is promised to go to Paradise when he dies is the thief on the cross who dies after the Passover Lamb (whose legs did not get broken because he was already dead) atoned for his sin, allowing him to go to heaven, which is Paradise. Before that death, we know that Enoch and Elijah ascended to heaven, skipping Sheol, but I suspect they had a heavy price to pay before the death of Christ atoned for their sins. Similarly, Moses probably resided in heaven pre-cross because we see him with Elijah at the Transfiguration, and he does not seem recently released from the prison of Sheol. But likely everyone else, pre-cross, was in Sheol, not Paradise but a snare and an entanglement, a place where the dead do not praise the Lord. Definitely. Not. Paradise. We descend to Sheol but ascend to Paradise. ETA: I just realized why so many believe this: "This day, you will be with ME in Paradise." I've struggled with that verse, certainly, but I do not believe that the thief went to Sheol even though Christ did. This could mean that the thief will be with the Holy Spirit and the Father, who are one with Christ, or this could mean that it will be the same day for the thief even though it will be a few weeks for Christ.

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

In second temple literature, I believe I heard this on a Mike Heiser podcast, paradise does indeed seem to be linked to the word paradise, as in a place inside Sheol. I unfortunately cannot recall the reference, but I do remember reading or hearing something like that from Mike Heiser.

[@EllenSmyth]

@@jaredberryman-hivelead Certainly, those within Abraham's bosom would be destined for Paradise, but Job did not look forward to Sheol at all. Not at all. He very much dreaded that. But he clung to the hope of his resurrection when he would see his God in the flesh. One looks forward to Paradise.

[@gregmccarty331]

Loved your program ❤

[@teologizando]

There’s an issue with his seeing paradise simply as the place for the dead because in the septuagint paradise was the name for the garden of Eden. And what about Paul going to third heaven and paradise? Actually, in some second temple period book (like 2 Enoc), paradise was a place within the third heaven. It’s very hard to see paradise as a parallel of the OT place for the dead (Sheol).

[@brettlovett6011]

I think the term 'paradise' is not a proper noun, like a name of one particular place. Eden was a paradise. The pleasant place for the righteous dead was also a paradise. And of course Heaven is a paradise.

[@teologizando]

@@brettlovett6011 according to BDAG, there are two uses for paradise: the garden of Eden and transcendent place of blessedness. I understand your point (paradise more like an adjective), but in the mind of ancient thought, paradise was a place.

[@brettlovett6011]

How bout Song 4:13, Neh 2:8, Ecc. 2:5.

[@vademecum8184]

At 14:03 "The parable of Lazarus and the rich man" The parable? There are people with actual names mentioned: Abraham and Lazarus. That is certainly NOT a parable

[@Sirach144]

Lazarus and the rich man isn’t about the dead people. It’s about a judgement against Israel. Not heaven and hell. Lazarus and the Rich Man I'm glad you brought up Lazarus and the Rich Man. Does this sound like a literal event to you? • Jesus often began his parables in the book of Luke with the phrase, “a certain...” See Luke 12:16; 13:6; 14:16; 15:11; 16:1; 19:11-12; 20:9 (KJV). • A man cannot literally enter into “the bosom” or chest of Abraham. • It is impossible for anyone who is literally burning in fire to carry on a normal conversation. • Can those in heaven and hell talk to each other? No!! • Jesus Christ did not interpret every parable He told. Yet He did interpret the parable of the wheat and the weeds in Matthew 13. I • Consciousness at death contradicts the rest of the Bible. Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10; Psalms 6:5; 115:17; 146:4; etc. This is a parable. There are about 5 parables right before this one which shows this one logically following has the same context. This is a parable. Many say it's not because it had a name in it and all sorts of theories. Can those in heaven see those in hell being tortured or TALK to them? No. Also, the Bible says that Jesus was the first to go to heaven. So how could Lazarus be in heaven? This presents a problem and so many come up with what Mormons do and call it spirit paradise and not heaven or make something up like "Abraham's Bosom." The two men represents two classes. The Rich man represents the Jewish nation who was in favor with God. That's why this man faired sumptuously. He also wore purple which was a sign of royalty which is what God considered Israel, a nation of kings and priests. The Beggar or Lazarus (meaning Aquired) represents the Gentiles who were outside of God's favor. This is shows by him being outside the gate with the dogs. (See Matthew 15:25-27) They treated the gentiles and saw them as dogs. Their death represented the change of condition for the nation of Israel and gentiles when Jesus cast the Jews off. In the OT the bosom position of the Father meant a favored position. See John 18:1. Now that Lazarus who represented the gentiles were favored he was now in the bosom of Abraham which was given the promises under the Abrahamic Covenant. Which is to bless all the families of the earth. The Jews had the promises now which is why Lazarus is in the Bosom of Abraham. He (Gentiles) are now heirs to the Abrahamic promises. The Jews are cast off into the nations to be tormented. They have been persecuted and murdered and this is why we see him in fire. He represents the two tribes of Israel Israel and Judah and now we see that if one man represents two then the other ten are 5 which is why we wanted to warn his brothers. So they didn't go through the torments from being cast off. This is one parable. Jesus always spoke in parables to keep them from the truth

[@littleboots9800]

Hmm. That's interesting. I have no idea if it's true or not but the whole Abrahams bosom thing has always confused me and been unsatisfying. I must look this up and do some research.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Tell us you're a Seventh Day Adventist, without telling us you're a Seventh Day Adventist.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

The Seventh Day Adventists are a cult, ​@@littleboots9800. Ellen G. White was a false teacher and a false prophetess.

[@danielwarton5343]

How do you reconcile romans 9-11 with this theology?

[@cryptojihadi265]

Jesus didn't have to interpret the parable, because who he spoke it to(the Pharisees and the Jews) would have easily figured it out. First Lazarus was at the gate, a reference to the gentiles who aren't allowed into the inner court but stuck on the outside. The dogs licking his wounds, ALSO a reference to the Gentiles, that were called dogs by the Jews. The rich man had 5 brothers, a HUGE clue, as only the southern kingdom of Judah remained and he had only 5 full blood brothers, from Leah, the other 6 brothers were half-brothers from different mothers. Finally, he says his brothers have the law and the prophets, ONLY Judah and Israel were given the Law and Prophets of God. Just before this parable is told, Luke mentions the pharisees were lovers of money, and were mocking Jesus about it. So this parable was a direct assault on their belief that wealth is a sign of God's favor. The fact that Lazarus and Abraham are mentioned, has nothing to do with it NOT being a parable as WHO the parable was spoken to, the Jews and pharisees, are represented by the unnamed rich man. Lazarus really had ZERO active role, no lines even. Also, there is NOTHING to indicate WHY he was found worthy to go to Abraham's bosom. Which as you pointed out, is a reference to how the Gentiles, who didn't deserve anything would be given the wealth of the bread of life of God's word, because the Jews rejected it. In Luke 3, John the Baptist specifically tells the pharisees not to say they have Abraham as their father, as God is able to raise children of Abraham from ROCKS! Also earlier parables talk of the original guests(Jews) refusing to accept the invitation to the banquet, so the invitation would be sent to others(gentiles). However, Jesus WOULD raise a man named Lazarus, and just as Abraham indicated, not only would the 5 brothers(the Jews and Pharisees) NOT believe, but they also actually plotted to KILL Jesus and Lazarus!

[@thirdplace3973]

Hell? No. He descended into Hades, specifically the comfort side that was there before the cross and resurrection called “Abraham’s Bosom” or “Paradise”. It was emptied when He rose from the tomb and those righteous souls are now in heaven. Before the cross of Calvary no man had yet ascended into heaven. (John 3:13)

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Nobody still haven't gone to Heaven. Read that passage again. Christ said that NOBODY besides Himself will ever go there, not even after He did what He came here to do. In Acts, Peter says that David is _still_ in his tomb. He didn't go to Heaven, and neither has Daniel. Gabriel told him in Dan. 12 that he will rise to receive his inheritance when Christ returns. Why are "Christians" talking about going to Heaven when the Bible doesn't teach it?

[@thirdplace3973]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 That’s not what He said. He tells His disciples He’s going there to prepare a place for them in His Fathers house. And David’s body is still in his tomb, not his spirit. He literally told the thief on the cross next to Him “Truly, truly I say to you; today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Is Jesus a liar?

[@Sirach144]

13:50 where did you get compartmented? They are simply dead.

[@mariaseppi]

If hell doesn’t exist yet Jesus hasn’t even thrown the devil down into hell yet until heaven and earth have passed away. If he said today you’re gonna be with me in Paradise that doesn’t sound like hell to me Jesus didn’t have to go to hell to defeat the devil.

[@simplyafederalist]

The problem is sheol is translated as Hell. Hell is to generic of a term. They need to seperate words were the place of the dead should a different word from the place of Judgement and suffering for the wicked. Even thou those are in Sheol. Aka bible translation needs to use the place of the dead instead of sheol or hell so casual readers understand it without knowing all this background. I was taught sheol is just a diffrent word for helll which I thought was the place of judgment and suffering. So I never understood the difference for over 30 years.

[@annabecker6946]

Not related to the video, but does anyone know of a church in the DFW area that has thorough bible teaching (line by line, expository style) AND practices the gifts of the spirit? We just moved here and don’t know where to look. TIA!

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Wellspring Church in North Richland Hills is where Pastor Rowntree and Jack Deere both pastored

[@aussierob7177]

Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, "hell" - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek, because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God. (Phill.2:10. Acts 2:24. Rev. 1:18. Eph. 4:9. Psalms 6:6, 88:11-13.). Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil, or righteous, while the await the Redeemer, which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into Abraham's Bosom. (Psalm 89:49. 1. Sam. 28:19. Ezek. 32:22-26. Luke 16:22-26.) It is precisely these holy souls , who awaited their Saviour in Abraham's Bosom., whom Christ delivered when he descended into hell.

[@TheStemo1]

On the cross He said, "It is finished," not "It's almost done, I need to go to hell for a bit." I don't see anything in the Bible that says He went to hell because it was the cross that was sufficient to pay for sin. Jesus didn't go to hell to preach a second chance to anyone, because the Bible is clear that men live once and then are judged. The oft-quoted 1 Peter 3:19-20 is not saying he preached to spirits that were in prison, but that Jesus through the Spirits HAD preached through Noah to the spirits that are in prison.

[@TheStemo1]

Jesus didn't need to go to hell to get keys from Satan. Satan isn't in hell, he's in the 2nd heaven, and he doesn't rule over hell. Jesus never had to take any keys from the devil because the devil never had the keys. Jesus just says that He possesses them, it never says He took them back or earned them.

[@TheStemo1]

If Christ had to go to hell, doesn't that make the cross less-than-sufficient? In other words, to fully redeem us, if Christ had to go to hell after the cross, why do we not proclaim our trust in His descent over our trust in the cross?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

You are right and simultaneously wrong. While Christ didn't go to any fictional version of hell, ppl are not immediately judged when they die either. Heb. 9:27 doesn't say that at all, even though many ppl read it that way. If that belief is true, then Eze. 37 wouldn't clearly show the unconverted Israelites being resurrected and given their chance at salvation.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@TheStemo1 Satan is not in the 2nd heaven. He is confined to this earth now(Rev. 12:10,12).

[@TheStemo1]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Revelation 12 is future. If he were confined to the earth, Paul would have said so in Ephesians 6

[@asg8648]

“ don’t tempt me with a good time!”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@itisitisirish532]

“I made the nations shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell and together with those who descend into the Pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the depths of the earth.”

[@itisitisirish532]

From thence I proceeded to another spot, where I saw on the west a great and lofty mountain, a strong rock, and four delightful places. Internally it was deep, capacious, and very smooth; as smooth as if it had been rolled over: it was both deep and dark to behold. Then Raphael, one of the holy angels who were with me, answered and said, These are the delightful places where the spirits, the souls of the dead, will be collected; for them were they formed; and here will be collected all the souls of the sons of men. These places, in which they dwell, shall they occupy until the day of judgment, and until their appointed period. Their appointed period will be long, even until the great judgment. And I saw the spirits of the sons of men who were dead; and their voices reached to heaven, while they were accusing. Then I inquired of Raphael, an angel who was with me, and said, Whose spirit is that, the voice of which reaches to heaven, and accuses? He answered, saying, This is the spirit of Abel, who was slain by Cain his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth; Until his seed perish from the seed of the human race. At that time therefore I inquired respecting him, and respecting the general judgment, saying, Why is one separated from another? He answered, Three separations have been made between the spirits of the dead, and thus have the spirits of the righteous been separated. Namely, by a chasm, by water, and by light above it. And in the same way likewise are sinners separated when they die, and are buried in the earth; judgment not overtaking them in their lifetime. Here their souls are separated. Moreover, abundant is their suffering until the time of the great judgment, the castigation, and the torment of those who eternally execrate, whose souls are punished and bound there for ever. And thus has it been from the beginning of the world. Thus has there existed a separation between the souls of those who utter complaints, and of those who watch for their destruction, to slaughter them in the day of sinners. A receptacle of this sort has been formed for the souls of unrighteous men, and of sinners; of those who have completed crime, and associated with the impious, whom they resemble. Their souls shall not be annihilated in the day of judgment, neither shall they arise from this place. Then I blessed God, And said, Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of glory and of righteousness, who reigns over all for ever and for ever.

[@itisitisirish532]

“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition.” “And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day”

[@itisitisirish532]

Then he shall take the two goats and set them before the Lord at the entrance of the tent of meeting. And Aaron shall cast lots over the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Azazel. And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord and use it as a sin offering, but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel. “And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you. For on this day shall atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the Lord from all your sins.” ESV

[@itisitisirish532]

“But for the elect there shall be light and joy and peace, And they shall inherit the earth. And then there shall be bestowed upon the elect wisdom, And they shall all live and never again sin, Either through ungodliness or through pride: But they who are wise shall be humble. And they shall not again transgress, Nor shall they sin all the days of their life, Nor shall they die of (the divine) anger or wrath, But they shall complete the number of the days of their life. And their lives shall be increased in peace, And the years of their joy shall be multiplied, In eternal gladness and peace, All the days of their life.” the elect of Israel the elect of the church… “Be hopeful, and do not throw away your hopes for you shall have great joy as the angels of heaven. And now fear not, you righteous, when you see the sinners growing strong and prospering in their ways; do not be their companions, but keep away from their violence. For you shall become companions of the hosts of heaven.”

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

2000 years of apostolic Church tradition across even several schisms all taught and maintained that Christ went to Hades/Sheol/Hell and that the Scripture itself supports this. Modern protestants: yeah, but, i want to interpret it differently. By logical inferrence, if the modern protestants are right, then ALL Christians, regardless of schisms, even the early reformers, were ALL wrong, so literally no one in the church was right for about 1700 years, including the very direct disciples of the Apostles that taught this like Ignatius of Antioch who MET CHRIST PERSONALLY as a child, i guess the "blackout theory" would be neccesity really go right after the Apostles deaths.... I guess they would have to claim that the Holy Spirit failed to guide ANYONE in christendom for ~1700 years, this is the logical conclusion of modern protestant denial, it's Apostasy.

[@tomragsdale6547]

Matt Emerson believes that Jesus didn't enter the realm of the dead until "Holy Saturday" (the night and day that immediately followed AFTER the day of His crucifixion). But I would argue that Jesus' SOUL departed from His body at the exact moment of His death at ~3:00 pm on Friday, and His soul went immediately from the cross to the realm of the dead one or two hours before the sun set on Nisan 14. In other words, Jesus' soul was already on its way to Hades before Joseph had removed His body from the cross. Also, Matt (along with Justin Bass) seems to think that Jesus' soul arrived in Hades on "Holy Saturday" and spent only about 36 hours (or less) in the realm of the dead, the same length of time His body was in the tomb. But I take the expression "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Mt 12:40) more literally. I think Jesus' BODY was in Joseph's tomb for 2 nights and 1 day (~36 hours), but His SOUL was in Hades preaching to the dead for 3 full days and 3 full nights (~72 hours). I think Jesus preached for 24 hours in Tartarus at the bottom of the chasm where the "angels that sinned" were interned, and then preached for 24 hours in the torment side of the chasm (where "the Rich Man" was), and then preached for 24 hours in the comfort side of the chasm (where Abraham and Lazarus were), for a total of ~72 hours. Jesus' soul spent twice as long in Hades as His body did in the tomb.

[@liftyohands3795]

@The Remnant Radio Within the first 10-15mins Sounds like your guest was hinting that God will “bring light to hell” as in, rescue those in hell at the end of it all? Or did I misunderstand. . ?

[@WORTHYLAMB]

He’s talking about the intermediate place of the dead. Not the lake of fire and final eternal judgement. Christ brought light into the place of the dead when he descended after His crucifixion. And he proclaimed that death has no claim on Him, and rose from the grave!

[@juligraham7319]

Jesus calls death a sleep. When Lazarus died of his illness, Jesus said he sleeps. The apostles thought He meant a literal sleep, but Jesus spoke of His death. Eccl 9 says the dead know nothing.

[@brianboudrot7055]

The body sleeps.

[@juligraham7319]

@@brianboudrot7055 yes, your entire being sleeps. You have no consciousness. There is not a separate soul that floats around once you die. Jesus said that we will receive our reward in the day that he returns in the clouds of glory to resurrect the righteous.🙏🏻

[@juliancarter3107]

Brothers/Sisters in Christ, Jesus clearly is above the standard. He resurrected in His Body with the nail holes in his body in order to show proof to the World ( to Doubting Thomas, who is an Apostle) that He is Lord & Our Salvation. We as Christians can believe that, but cannot believe what the Word says because of our own unbelief/it offends our modern understanding. The Bible says, Angels sinned, slept with women and Giants were born, I don’t like it or understand it, but, Noah, Abraham, Moses , Joshua, David, & countless others lived it, saw it, fought it, & Defeated it, All in The Lord’s Name. Either, they were lying or telling the truth. My Faith & Teachings go with them telling the Truth. Pray about it, let The Holy Spirit guide you to the Truth.

[@Mike-rk8oo]

Sheol - Hebrew word for Greek word Hell. In Revelation death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire - Gehenna

[@EllenSmyth]

Ephesians 4 and Psalm 68 appear to speak of the time of the tribulation when at his 2nd Coming Christ will rescue the prisoners from the pit of Hell. Certainly, I would not see how Christ could have rescued these prisoners and led them in a train to heaven in his three day descent since he tells Mary Magdalene that he has not yet ascended, John 20:17.

[@tomragsdale6547]

Whenever many people speak of "Abraham's Bosom" they seem to be thinking of a REGION or realm where the righteous dead are (or were) resting as they await resurrection. While I think there IS such a place, I don't think we should call that PLACE "Abraham's Bosom". If we look at the Greek version of Luke 16 we see that there are two words for "bosom" in the text. In Luke 16:22 we see the word κόλπον/kolpon which is SINGULAR and most likely refers to Abraham's one chest or lap (though it could refer to the location where Abraham was at that time). But in the following verse, Luke 16:23, we see a different form of that word, κόλποις/kolpois which is PLURAL. In THAT case the word most likely refers to Abraham's TWO breasts, or his TWO enfolding arms. In other words, it's not a region but the physical (or rather METAphysical) breasts or arms of Abraham, the same sort of bosom we see in John 13:23 when the disciple Jesus loved rested his head against Jesus' chest. Luke 16:22,23 does NOT support the view that ALL the righteous dead spend time in a PLACE called "Abraham's Bosom" which is a synonym for Paradise, a region in the heart of the earth that exists on the opposite side of the chasm in Hades. It may well be that only Lazarus was comforted by Abraham on his lap, and the other righteous dead were comforted or interned elsewhere. But that "elsewhere" was just a different section of Hades/Sheol, and was not called "Paradise" or "Abraham's Bosom" by Jesus or the biblical writers or those who were there.

[@davehertle]

Great Discussion!

[@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq]

From what I understand, Jesus went to Hades not the Lake of Fire. Hades had two parts to it one was for the righteous and the other for the unrighteous. Luke 16:19-31

[@kellyschroeder7437]

Thanks fellas 💙💙💙🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻. I’ve always believed that Jesus did take on our punishment. Maybe I’ve not stated things rightly - meaning Jesus tasted hell ??? However, do believe Jesus definitely was separated from the Father in his death ??? Praise God Christ rent the curtain in two and rose from the dead - making new covenant the New Covenant. Sorry all over …. Thanks again ✝️🙌🏻✝️🙌🏻✝️🙌🏻

[@balung]

So, where do believers go when they die? He didnt answer it.

[@georgefuentes4112]

Through paradise to heaven or straight to the lake of fire. Nothing imperfect enters heaven. God will judge, give His sentence and we will pay until the last penny is returned. We then either join our Saviour or go straight to the lake.

[@brettlovett6011]

I think he said the believers now go to be with the Lord in Heaven (around the 53:00 mark). I agree with that.

[@dtatum6]

The HOH theology comes from the Gospel of Nicodemus not the Bible. The Gospels say Jesus was a corpse in a tomb not a disembodied soul in an underworld. The HOH narrative has been piecemealed together to support a Platonic philosophy of body soul dualism that is foreign to the biblical text.

[@sidewaysfcs0718]

So why does Ignatius of Antioch, a direct disciple of the Apostle John, teach this?

[@jdaze1]

I guess people are never going to comprehend allegory, metaphor. Hell is English for the greek and latin for the GRAVE. The pit.

[@brettlovett6011]

You're right that the grave is translated 'Hell' in some bibles. The problem is that hades, Gehenna, and the lake of fire are also translated as 'Hell'. Thus the confusion.

[@davidwireback8621]

I love the comment talking smack to Satan and his demons

[@stephenbailey9969]

The English translators wrapping three different concepts in the Greek under the single word 'hell' is professional malpractice.

[@Jer20.9]

Maybe you should add air-conditioning, would be even more comfy than Sheol, or Hades, or the grave.

[@brettlovett6011]

I totally agree!

[@petersdrue]

You missed an opportunity for the title: Where the Hell did Jesus go?

[@coryc1904]

They didn't miss it, they purposely chose to respect Jesus instead of disrespecting Him.

[@petersdrue]

@@coryc1904 It's not disrespectful. But even if it was, I'm glad Jesus has saved me from much more severe sins.

[@davehertle]

Jesus, feet of bronze, as if they stood in a fiery furnace and were refined.

[@tookie36]

The gnostics don’t seem so crazy now 😂

[@danielwarton5343]

I appreciate michael is trying to confer the information in the Bible, but the way he talks is so irreverent, especially saying Christ went and talked smack to them. Ok, so not just Michael but you all get into a very casual approach towards the Lord of glory, and for that reason, I’m out

[@FountainPenIs]

It gives the impression that they're playing word-games to tickle people's ears.

[@johnmcgehee7204]

Prison wardens go to jail everyday!

[@manamanathegreat]

Of course not, hell isn't real. I'm sure there will be plenty of Nuh-uh responses, but that doesn't change the fact.

[@warrenroby6907]

Christus Victor!

[@StephenParrish-t4k]

No.

[@LeopardKing-im4bm]

WHAT OR WHERE IS ABRAHAM'S BOSOM? Abraham's bosom is not a spiritual dwelling place, it is a body part. It is his chest. Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into ABRAHAM'S BOSOM the rich man also died, and was buried; Exodus 4:6 And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand INTO THEY BOSOM. And he put his hand INTO HIS BOSOM: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. John 13:23 Now there was leaning on JESUS' BOSOM one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. The angels delivered Lazarus into the physical embrace of Father Abraham. If not, did Hagar go to paradise when conniving a child with Father Abraham? Think about it. Genesis 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid INTO THY BOSOM; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee. DID JESUS GO DESCEND INTO HELL FIRE? YES! HERE IS THE PROOF! Every Christian tells you that the Passover lamb represents Jesus. Does it? Okay, then be prepared to accept the WHOLE truth. Ready? Exodus 12:6-10 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. And they shall eat the flesh in that night, ROAST WITH FIRE, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, BUT ROAST WITH FIRE; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning YE SHALL BURN WITH FIRE. Okay, so Jesus is without sin. The lamb must be unblemished. Jesus is a man. The lamb must be male. Jesus was crucified in the evening. The lamb must be killed in the evening. Jesus was crucified on a cross. The blood that is struck upon the two side posts and upon the upper door post form a cross. YOU HAVE TO ROAST THE LAMB WITH FIRE. You can't eat it raw. You can not sodden it with water (boil it). YOU HAVE TO ROAST IT WITH FIRE. Hmmmm? Why can't you boil the lamb? Why can't you eat it raw? Why must you BURN IT? Want a hint? I think you already know, but let's do this scripturally. Mark 9:49-50 For every one shall be SALTED WITH FIRE and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another. Jesus was talking about hell in the above verse. He says they are salted with fire. Jesus went where? What was he salted with in the heart of the earth? Jesus took the wrath of God. That is not the crucifixion or else the thief on the right hand of Christ took the wrath of God. I assure you, he did not. Acts 2:26-27 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul IN HELL, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Please do not think I am being condescending when I repeat my admonition. Caps are for emphasis not rudeness. READING IS SUPERIOR TO STUDYING. READ THE BIBLE, STOP STUDYING IT. READ IT! It will teach you everything you need to know and more if you only read it. Word studies, cultural deep dives, and historical framing if done right can add a little bit of color. READ! 1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to READING, to exhortation, to doctrine. Exhortation and doctrine piggyback off of READING!