Did Jesus Really Talk More About Hell Than Heaven?

[@michaelparsons7474]

Merry Christmas! 🌲

[@richardjohnson909]

There is no word in the Hebrew or Greek Manuscripts that should be translated into the word Hell. If Gehenna were a place of punishment after death for sinners, why didn't the apostles preach and warn sinners about it?

[@trentthompson2899]

Amen, It's these things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life. There's nothing there about an infallible memory being given to believers so they can remember the day something happened. The teenage grandson's pastor is mistaken.

[@markpalmer2401]

By using Bible software it is easy to determine that Jesus spoke far more often about heaven.

[@2Chronicles714_]

One of the most terrifying passengers in the Bible about hell. Not a word about John 3:16 from anyone in this story. Luke 16:27-31 Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. 28For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’ 29“But Abraham said, ‘Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read what they wrote.’ 30“The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then THEY WILL REPENT OF THEIR SINS AND TURN TO GOD.’ 31“But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

[@jamesba-xd7xf]

verse 30 does NOT say "repent of their sins", it says "repent" meaning to repent of unbelief and turn to faith in christ..

[@soljos1190]

What Should We Learn from the Rich Man’s Preaching in Hell? - Luke 16:19-31 April 2, 2018 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - Repentance A friend at church told me that he has been asked to explain the rich man and Lazarus. Another friend overhead and said that he too has been asked about that passage several times. Summary of the account: A rich man and a poor man named Lazarus both die. Lazarus ends up in the good part of Sheol (called Paradise in Luke 23:43), and in a very honored location right next to Abraham. The rich man ends up in the bad part of Sheol where he is in torment. The rich man sees Lazarus at Abraham’s side. A discussion (debate?) ensues between the rich man and Lazarus. The rich man keeps talking about Lazarus coming back from the dead so that his brothers might repent and thereby avoid going to the bad part of Sheol. Abraham keeps talking about believing what the Scriptures say about Christ as the only way to avoid eternal condemnation. What the rich man said: “I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment” (Luke 16:27-28). Abraham responds: “They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.” The rich man counters, “No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.” Abraham repeats himself, “If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.” The rich man thinks that the way to escape torment is to repent. Abraham says the way to escape torment is to believe in Him whom Moses and the prophets wrote about, that is, Jesus Christ. Isn’t that what John 1:45 says, “Philip found Nathanael and said to him, ‘We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote-Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.’” Nathanael came to faith in Christ minutes later (John 1:46-50). Many people think that the man in torment, not Abraham, had it right. Abraham is preaching salvation by faith alone in Christ alone. The rich man is preaching salvation by repentance. Certainly Abraham had it right and the rich man did not. John 3:16 says what Abraham said. So do Eph 2:8-9; Acts 16:31; John 5:24; and Rev 22:17. There is no verse in the Bible that says that if someone repents he will avoid eternal condemnation. Only believing in Jesus results in the new birth. Repentance may be preceded or followed by faith in Christ. But it is faith in Christ, not repentance, which is the condition of everlasting life. If you get your theology from unsaved people in hell, chances are good that it is wrong. If you get your theology from Abraham in Paradise, then you can be sure that your theology is correct.

[@truthfirst6670]

Throughout His ministry, Jesus spoke in parables to the masses of people who followed Him. Parables are not historical stories, but meaning-filled stories and in that sense, they are truth-filled and truthful. In Luke 15 verse 3 we read, "And so He told them this PARABLE." It is one PARABLE in five parts, comprising stories of the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the lost son of Luke 15; as well as the stories of the unjust steward and the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. It embraces the entire collection of symbol-pictures which in their completeness constituted the parable which Jesus spoke.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@@jamesba-xd7xf No scripture says Repent of unbelief to belief. IF belief was all that is required then that verse and all others that say repent would simply say believe instead. Unbelief is a sin. Unbelief is not the only sin, sinners need to change their minds about and turn from. What about false gods, witchcraft,self righteousness,sexual immorality, hate,idols etc? Repentance springs from the will.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​​@@soljos1190 We know that this a true event not a parable. That is Jesus speaking in very easy to understand words. No need to go to a blog to know what it really means. Abraham didn't say they needed to believe he agreed with the rich man stating they have Moses and the prophets [that taught repentance] Today we have the Bible as well as some teachers who still follow the absolute need to repent of sin.

[@Liminalplace1]

If you examine the gospels you ll be surprise that Jesus never taught about "going to heaven when you die". 1. The references to the "kingdom of heaven" are actually "kingdom of heavenS " ..its a present reality. Sure it has an eternal dimension, but its a life Jesus calls us into now. 2. Treasures in heaven doesn't refer to future rewards. There isn't a future tense. Its blessings from God now. Sure there is an eternal dimension. 3. The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable using a familiar story Jews knew with a twist at the end. It was a parable not teaching about the after life. It really links up with the Prodigal Son parable.." he was dead and now is alive". More about sinners repentance being a sign of the kingdom. 4. The thief on the cross isnt teaching about "heaven when you die". As 'parsdise" is like the Garden of Eden. We cannot say its a direct teaching of Jesus. So its a minor emphasis of being with Jesus where as bodily resurrection is the Christian certainty. Likewise many references to hell or ghenna maybe temporal judgements upon Israel as occurred in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and much of Gallillee by the Romans. Sure there is an eternal dimension. Much begins with sound interpretation principles and an understanding of the historical context. Finding the authors intended meaning is important. Putting out own questions aside.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Lets add up all the Scriptures on judgment vs. everything life.

[@drewhubbard9214]

Why? This video is about an often repeated false claim. We should seek truth and it seems like you're taking offense, as if it diminishes Gods judgment. It doesn't.

[@soljos1190]

You Still haven't Once produced the following passage that would Forever remove all Doubt : "Whosoever repents (for a Lifetime...24/7/365... Continuously believes in stuff about Jesus (DBR) ...be physically Water Baptized...walk in hopefully - but Never Knowable nor Quantifiable levels of hopefully good enough behavioral performance /works to earn , merit , be paid with , be rewarded with... DESERVE...the Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life"... ...Wait for it !...after First DESERVING IT !!! So , gonna have to mark your Homework assignment with an F-Minus × 6 for this Textbook Eisegesis .

[@2Chronicles714_]

Even one mention from Jesus on anything is enough. Matthew 25:34-41 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 👉41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:👈 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[@drewhubbard9214]

This message is to those in the tribulation, although we should certainly do these things. You're using the passage without context, and this is does a tremendous disservice despite your good intentions. God bless.

[@2Chronicles714_]

​@drewhubbard9214 These are not people coming out of the tribulation, that's Chapter 24, regardless are you claiming there are different rules for different groups of people?

[@jamesba-xd7xf]

agree 100% on this chronicles. this verse is about the final judgent where Jesus seperates true christians from the false. people who are trusting christ alone will do at least one of the things jesus mentions . Im free grace 100% and believe Jesus words here. doing these deeds is simply the fruit we will have .

[@soljos1190]

​@@2Chronicles714_Matthew 25:31-46: Salvation by Works? September 1, 2017 by GES Webmaster in Journal Articles John Claeys I. THE CHALLENGE OF MATTHEW 25:31-46 Does Matt 25:31-46, which describes the judgment of the “sheep and goats,” teach salvation by works? According to NT scholar D. A. Carson, most Bible teachers would answer that question with an unhesitating “yes.” Carson claims that “the great majority of scholars understand” the judgment described in Matt 25:31-46 to determine “the basis of acceptance into the kingdom,” determined by “deeds of mercy and compassion” to those “who are hungry, distressed, needy.”1 Clearly, this “majority” view promotes salvation by works, a position Carson also holds.2 Carson seems to be correct in his assessment of the number of leading evangelical leaders and teachers who view Matt 25:31-46 in that way. Among the many seeing it as a works-salvation passage is popular award-winning author and speaker John Piper,3 who has had a significant influence on the church.4 Also, count Brian McLaren among this majority assemblage,5 a prominent Christian pastor, author, activist, speaker, and leading figure in the emerging church movement who believes that one’s eternal destiny hinges on performing works of love and mercy toward others.6 In addition, the Roman Catholic Church, which influences a billion Catholics, sees Matt 25:31-46 in this same way.7 Even dispensationalists tend to fall into the works-salvation trap on this passage.8 But does Matt 25:31-46 truly teach a works-based salvation? This is a serious and critical question. For if Matt 25:31-46 teaches a works-based salvation, all of us in the free-grace community need to re-think our view of the gospel, and we need to abandon any notion of assurance of eternal life. Fortunately, a proper understanding of Matt 25:31-46 will show that this passage does not teach a gospel of works. In addition, correctly viewing Matt 25:31-46 will clarify critically important issues, such as the gospel, eternal reward, eternal justice, and the prominence of Israel to God’s kingdom plan. Because of its critical nature, the Enemy seeks to blind people to the true message of Matt 25:31-46. However, comprehending what God is seeking to communicate to us through this vital passage is critical to Free Grace Theology, and it is paramount to enhancing, enabling, and even empowering our ability to faithfully participate in God’s kingdom plan. Thus, it is imperative that we take another well-deserved look at this most misunderstood passage.

[@soljos1190]

​​@@2Chronicles714_ (John Claeys) II. THE SETTING FOR THE JUDGMENT OF THE NATIONS Matthew 25:31-46 describes a future judgment beginning with this scene: “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.”9 It is important to note that this event occurs immediately after Jesus’ return to the earth, as signaled by the phrase, the Son of Man comes in His glory. In comparing this expression with Dan 7:13-14 and Matt 24:29-31, we see that this scenario refers to Christ’s return to the earth to establish God’s kingdom. This eschatological timing is also evidenced by the contextual flow of Matthew chapters 24 and 25 which serve as a unit, commonly referred to as the Olivet Discourse. These chapters feature Jesus’ response to the apostles’ questions posed in 24:310 and provide detailed information of Daniel’s seventieth week, also known as the Tribulation period. Jesus concludes the Olivet Discourse with the description of the judgment of Gentile Tribulation survivors in verses 31-46 of Matthew 25. III. THE IDENTITY OF THOSE JUDGED As seen in v 31, the prelude to this appraisal of the nations is the enthronement of Jesus as Judge. Then, according to vv 32-33: “All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.” The word for nations can also be translated Gentiles.11 In fact, Biblically, from the time of Abraham onward, the nations have referred to Gentiles. It is also important to understand that the nations always refer to people who are concurrently alive on the earth.12 Since Jesus’ return follows the Tribulation period,13 this judgment of the nations, then, is an assessment of Gentiles who survive that horrific seven-year period.