Did Jesus reject the Torah's dietary laws? (Mark 7:1-23)

[@DavidWilberBlog]

If you saw R. L. Solberg's response to this video, here is my response to his response: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZy6kKBto5ZmbqM

[@kimmieb2u]

I appreciate the style and tone of your teachings. Even when in debate, you are such a gentle person. It's so unusual these days.

[@CarlosPerdomo]

Another well done video. I read somewhere that the last portion was added later...?

[@getx1265]

As a retired grammar teacher, I appreciated the references and explanations you made. On the other hand, a pet peeve of this retiree is the extra s and syllable on possessives. The simple rule is... If it does not end in s, add an apostrophe s. ('s) If it ends in s, ad an apostrophe. ( ' ) Jesus' rather than the extra syllabled Jesus's. Not being critical, just offering a quick, easy lesson on possessives. Really good teaching here regarding the Mark 7 proof text of those who don't wanna follow the Commands with common sense. Thank you for what you do!

[@GodsView1]

Great stuff. Clean foods are not defiled by avoiding a handwashing tradition, and specifically the invented types of handwashing rules by the Pharisees.

[@aletheiaquest]

Great work, brother! Proud of the work you do. We need you. Keep going!

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@mrsloi3265]

And to clear up Paul’s writings - the word used is the same word translated as “common” in Peter’s vision. The word Peter used for “unclean” is a different word. Thus Paul is also not talking about unclean foods in the Torah either.

[@SeekTruthOut]

Shalom brother, thanks for your videos. Great teachings

[@nwfladventures]

Pork or shellfish was never considered to be a food item. So, this doesn't even apply to something Lev 11 says is an abomination. Once an abomination, always an abomination.

[@katarinakat4302]

Can u guide me into learning and reading Hebrew . What is the most economical way. And is there a book strictly on Jesus sayings and HIS way of life outside of Jewish tradition? And Which translation do you personally use for your study? Thank you for your teachings.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Check out the “Learn Biblical Hebrew” series on the 119 Ministries channel. I’m not sure of a book on that specific topic. I use a bunch of different translations when I study, but ESV is what I read normally.

[@katarinakat4302]

Thank you so much

[@eliasvalle8241]

When Jesus taught that it’s not what goes in to the stomach which makes someone unclean am I supposed to believe Jesus was simply speaking about washing one’s hands before eating or was He teaching that things eaten do not make you unclean because it goes through the stomach and out when one goes to the restroom. He clearly says it’s what comes from the heart and out of the mouth that makes one unclean. Now what that being said I would never tell a fellow believer that he or she shouldn’t follow the dietary law. If that believer wants to so be it. I will do my best not to be a stumbling block for them. May God guide us all into His truth through the Holy Spirit in Jesus mighty name 🙏❤️

[@manik_33musicgaming51]

Shalom Brother Thank You For Clarifying

[@hillbillypatriot1]

David would you explain 1st Timothy 4-4, ?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Yes, read the next verse. Paul is talking about food that "is made holy by the word of God." That does not include unclean animals.

[@hillbillypatriot1]

@@DavidWilberBlog not being controversial, but I don’t see 1st Timothy 4-5 clearing up the question, could you explain in more detail?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Only food that is "made holy by the word of God" (v. 5) is "not to be rejected" (v. 4). Paul is not saying that literally NOTHING is to be rejected. That would mean Christians can eat blood or be cannibals as long as they pray over it first. Paul adds a qualification in verse 5: it must be made holy by the word of God. Since unclean animals are not made holy by the word of God (God's word explicitly prohibits such animals), they should not be eaten.

[@hillbillypatriot1]

@@DavidWilberBlog Thank you for the explanation. Peace and blessings.

[@leadhesh]

All "food" is clean, but what is "food"? God defined what is and isn't food in the Torah

[@pierreferguson1300]

Hebrews 7:11-12; Mark 7:14-19; Matthew 5:21-48. Amen.

[@dustinrichburg8638]

Amen.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hey David! I'd be curious about your thoughts on why Yeshua's teaching that "it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person" offended the Pharisees. "And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.” Then the disciples came and said to him, *“Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”* (Matt 15:1-12) Do you think they were offended because the Torah specifically says that eating unclean things _does_ defile a person? "You shall not make yourselves detestable with any swarming thing that swarms, and you shall not defile yourselves with them, and become unclean through them. For I am the Lord your God. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am holy. You shall not defile yourselves with any swarming thing that crawls on the ground" (Lev 11:43-44) Rob

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Hi Rob, thanks for the question. You may not have seen my response to your response video, but as I explained there, we need to consider the context when interpreting this passage instead of reading what we want into the text. The immediate context informs how the text should be interpreted. The reason that NT scholars reject the view that Jesus does away with the dietary laws in this passage is that Matthew (and Mark) make it abundantly clear that the controversy concerned only ritual handwashing. Importing the dietary laws into this narrative goes beyond the text. As NT scholar Dr. Matthew Thiessen points out, Matthew frames the entire narrative with the topic of handwashing (Matt 15:2, 20) to ensure that his readers do not wrongfully conclude that Jesus did away with the dietary laws. So, if you want to know why the Pharisees were offended, all you have to do is read the text for what it plainly says. Matthew makes it extremely clear that they were offended because Jesus did not respect their handwashing tradition (Again, see Matt 15:20). Regarding Lev 11:43-44, while the Torah uses the same language of impurity for eating unclean animals, scholars do not place this in the same category of ritual impurity-and for good reason. In contrast to ritual impurity, no ritual washings or offerings remove the "impurity" of eating unclean animals. The issue of ingesting unclean animals simply doesn't fit within the parameters of what ancient Jews like the Pharisees understood as ritual impurity. What scholars have determined is that, in Lev 11:43-44, impurity is used as a metaphor for becoming morally offensive. You might disagree with how ancient Jews understood these texts. Still, we need to understand their perspective if we are going to properly understand these controversies between Jesus and the Pharisees in the NT. The issue in Mark 7 and Matt 15 is regarding ritual impurity, which the text itself makes clear. This is a separate issue from unclean animals. Now, I understand how this can be confusing if you are unfamiliar with these nuances and haven't read any of the scholarly work done in this area. For more information on these distinctions, I recommend Dr. Matthew Thiessen's book "Jesus and the Forces of Death" (Baker, 2020), Dr. Jonathan Klawan's book "Impurity and Sin in Ancient Judaism" (Oxford, 2020), and Dr. Yair Furstenberg's paper "Defilement Penetrating the Body: A New Understanding of Contamination in Mark 7.15," NTS 54 (2008). There's also an excellent presentation on Mark 7 from Dr. Logan Williams, which was presented at Houston Baptist Seminary in Feb of 2022. Hope these resources help you in your studies!

[@codyalexander3290]

Question. Ive been told the sabbath is only for inside the gates? How do I counter that since we aren’t living in the holy city?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I honestly don't know how someone could think that. The Sabbath was established in creation, long before there was a nation of Israel. It is also one of the Ten Commandments. Do the other nine commandments apply only within Jerusalem too?

[@codyalexander3290]

@@DavidWilberBlog I’m not sure but it does say inside the gate specifically

[@Talancir]

@@codyalexander3290 a citation could be helpful

[@brandonvonbo9708]

@@codyalexander3290 Israel was given the sabbath commandment in Exodus 16 as they were wandering in the desert. This was before the laws given concerning the tabernacle.

[@Oliver-c5v2b]

I’ve just seen your channel and I love it already!! Perfect videos to listen to on Shabbat. God bless you and Shabbat shalom

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@churchindangerberean3518]

Thank-you so much!

[@93556108]

(Rom 14:16) Let not then your good be evil spoken of: (Rom 14:17) For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

[@Talancir]

AFAIK an additional point to consider is the use of "broma" rather than "brosis" or "trophe." Brosis indicates that which is ceremonially (or unceremonially) food as reckoned by Torah. Pas katharizo broma - Thus He declared all Torah prescribed foods clean.

[@asmallfarmhomestead3657]

Why would He need to declare all Torah prescribed food clean? Isn’t that already self evident? There’s not need to declare Torah foods clean because the Torah already says they’re clean.

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

WHOEVER IS OPPOSING, CONTRADICTING, REBELLING AGAINST, FORSAKING, BREAKING, TRANSGRESSING, PREACHING, TEACHING AND COUNSELLING AGAINST THE LAW OF THE MOST HIGH LORD GOD YEHOVAH THE COVENANT LAWGIVER AND COVENANT LAWKEEPER IS A SERVANT OF THE SERPENT THE DECEPTIVE TEMPTER A righteous holy sanctified godly man obey the law of Lord God Yehovah the covenant Lawgiver rather than the contradictions of man Deuteronomy 4:2 ASV Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 12:32 ASV What thing soever I command you, that shall ye observe to do: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Deuteronomy 5:32 ASV Ye shall observe to do therefore as Jehovah your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. Deuteronomy 6:4,25 ASV Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: [25] And it shall be righteousness unto us, if we observe to do all this commandment before Jehovah our God, as he hath commanded us. Deuteronomy 13:4 ASV Ye shall walk after Jehovah your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Acts 4:19 ASV But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it is right in the sight of God to hearken unto you rather than unto God, judge ye: Acts 5:29 ASV But Peter and the apostles answered and said, We must obey God rather than men.

[@mannymann321]

Someone has never read Deuteronomy 12:15 or 12:22.

[@bethelshiloh]

Excellent

[@Simon-hm9uc]

Ezekiel 4:11-13 "Also measure out a sixth of a hin of water and drink it at set times. Eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread; bake it in the sight of the people, using human excrement for fuel.” The LORD said, “In this way the people of Israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them.”

[@93556108]

Yes, Jesus fulfilled ALL the law and the Prophets perfectly inclusive of the dietary law, the Sabbath, the Holy Feasts etc. Undeniably, in Acts10 in the Peter’s vision there were no people but it was about eating unclean foods. And yet, without being told, Peter knew that the command Jesus repeated three times “what God has made clean don’t called common” or unclean - it was talking about more than just the food in the vision but it is also about people. So how does Peter make the connection? Because he had been raised a good Torah-observant Jew and he knew how inter-connected food and people are in the law, Peter knew that this vision about food signaled a change in the status of people as well. The clean and unclean laws that Peter and his ancestors had lived under the past 1500 years had changed under the new covenant. And notice that the words of Jesus in the vision didn’t mention food or people or any specific law. It was a universal statement it’s almost like Jesus was putting His hands on Peter’s face and staring into his eyes and repeating the words until it sunk in Peter, what God has made clean do not called common not once but thrice. Had the law Giver gone bonkers? And Peter was staring at Jesus and he starts to nod, and he is like, “Okay okay I think I get it”. And so he heads off to these Gentiles house. And think what it would have meant. In the near East was (and is) known for its hospitality. It’s very much an honor/shame culture. So you don’t have someone over to your house and not honor your guest by putting out some food for them. That would be shameful. We see many accounts of this in the NT; We see Jesus in the parable of the persistent neighbor is based on this cultural principle. This is why, in antiquity, a Jew visiting Gentile’s home was a socially taboo. And here is Peter’s vision fresh in his mind, sitting in a home of a Gentile completely unconcerned about whatever food they might put out for him. Because he knows Jesus has declared it all clean. And of course we read at the end of Chapter 10 that the Holy Spirit felled on that household and they all become believers and was then baptized in Jesus, In fact, the Cornelius family was the first Gentiles who placed their faith in Christ. This is a watershed in God’s story, this is why in the very next chapter in Acts11, the entire of Peter’s vision was told again, including the commands Jesus repeated three times. So the author even repeats the things that were repeated which tells us how important this episode is….. Now there’s a common objection from our hebrew roots friends, says Peter’s vision was about Gentiles and not food. Not so, here are the reasons; #1 the vision is literally about food. God told Peter to eat the clean animals which He had cleansed…. #2.on what basis are we willing to allow for a change in the issue of people but not food? #3 if the vision of the food solely intended as a metaphor for the Gentiles then Jesus was using the wrong metaphor. He was essentially saying “Look I know in this video I’m telling you the food is now clean, but that is not really true. It’s just an example I’m using to show you can hang out with the Gentiles now. No that’s how God works. And actually, the problem is far deeper than that. Because there are no actual laws in the Torah that prohibit Jews from acting socially with the Gentiles. In Acts10:28 when Peter tells Cornelius and his family ; Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful(not Mosaic law but according to traditions or customs) thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” The food laws acted as the primary social barrier between Gentiles and Jews. And Peter’s vision clearly taught that those clean/unclean food laws were no longer in effect. There was the whole point of the vision with the sheet of animals. So Peter put two and two together and he now realized that now he could share a table with Gentiles without that social barrier that resulted from the ritual purity laws. He understood now when Jesus repeated three times and he couldn’t have been mistaken about that. Even the gospel is to be preached to all Gentiles nations in the great commission and that the food is now clean and the dietary laws have serves its purpose as Jesus reaffirms it in Peter’s vision and don’t call what God has cleanse as unclean anymore. That’s why God had ended His sacrificial systems in the temple. Thank you.

[@dustinrichburg8638]

Romans 14 shows that the dietary laws are no longer necessary, but if one follows them; allow them until they're able to understand. Romans 14:13-23 (NASB) New American Standard Bible Principles of Conscience 14 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not to have quarrels over opinions. 2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but the one who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge the [c]servant of another? To his own [d]master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and the one who eats, does so with regard to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat, and he gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 But as for you, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or you as well, why do you regard your brother or sister with contempt? For we will all appear before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written: “As I live, says the Lord, to Me every knee will bow, And every tongue will give praise to God.” 12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let’s not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this: not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s or sister’s way. 14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to the one who thinks something is unclean, to that person it is [m]unclean. 15 For if because of food your brother or sister is hurt, you are no longer walking in accordance with love. Do not destroy with your choice of food that person for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 For the one who serves Christ in this way is acceptable to God and approved by other people. 19 So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. 20 Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the person who eats and causes offense. 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother or sister stumbles. 22 The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is the one who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23 But the one who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin."

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I have explained Romans 14 here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqjbmIRqe7-Df7M Hope it helps!

[@josiahmitchell6776]

Would you be open to debating Dr. Micheal Brown about this?

[@DavidWilberBlog]

I would nervous to debate Dr. Brown on anything just because he’s such a good debater! But I would have a discussion with him.

[@edubasak1]

Can’t it just mean that all the food in the scene was clean regardless of Pharisees handwashing ritual?

[@leslieahill8928]

Although modern pork production business differs healthwise with production sanitation deworming etc. Swine herding differs . Jesus let the cast out devils deal a terrible blow to swine herders . The locals wanted him away soon . Mark 5:13-14,16-17 KJ21 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out and entered into the swine; and the herd ran violently down a steep place and into the sea (they were about two thousand), and were choked in the sea. [14] And those who fed the swine fled, and told it in the city and in the country. And the people went out to see what it was that had been done. [16] And those who saw it told the people what had befallen him that was possessed by the devil, and also concerning the swine. [17] And they began to pray Him to depart from their borders. I saw catfish with visible worms on tbe cutting board in a resturaunt . Cooks were told to deworm.them . At the Very least High heat should be used to cook all meats especially the OT unclean.

[@TrentonJPurcell]

Solid info. Thanks for sharing

[@misaelvidrio]

“since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭19‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Why would Jesus have to “declare” something clean that was already clean 🤔. Were the traditions of the fathers so authoritative that Jesus had to declare food eaten with unwashed hands as clean? 👀 Idk sir. I don’t think the Pharisee’s traditions were so powerful that Jesus had to make a divine declaration over them. If it was a divine declaration it think it would have been addressing what had been previously divinely inspired.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

If we assume that this translation of 7:19c is accurate, if the Pharisees have labeled biblically clean food "defiled" because it was touched with unwashed hands (which is the entire topic of the dispute), then it makes perfect sense for Jesus to say, "Actually this food is clean." But I don't think that translation is accurate, as I explain in the video. It doesn't make sense in Greek. It is better to understand the final clause as a continuation of Jesus's words, not as a parenthetical statement from Mark. See the end of this video and also watch the interview I did with Dr. Logan Williams regarding his recent paper on Mark 7:19c that was published in the journal New Testament Studies (Cambridge).

[@ri3m4nn]

13:50 that essentially dismantles your entire argument as well.

[@lindsayball5080]

Jesus kept the law as it wasn't yet fulfilled. That didn't happen until 40 years after his ascension at his return to claim his bride. The 2nd covenant was ratified in just the same way as the 1st. Moses was given the law then they had their faith tested for 40 years thrn were given the land as their inheritance after the Joshua trumpet ritual. It's a perfect foreshadowing of the new and better covenant. Paul told us it was becoming obsolete and passing away. Paul knew whrn Jesus was going to return as he talked aboit the 40 years and each epistle was a bit closer to the time. James and Peter must have known too as all the epistles have imminent time statements. Peter was told to eat anything. God can not tempt anyone so would he wilfully make Peter break the dietary law? No it was significant and not just aboit the Gentiles being offered salvation. Research 66ad Jewish revolt 70ad seige of Jerusalem including the total destruction of the temple 73ad masada seige. It's all there in our history describing the events of Daniel , the olivet discourse and most of revelation. #revelation 20.7 Satan's little season Tartaria the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus Christ

[@brandonvonbo9708]

Jesus’s return did not happen in 70AD, as His return is in conjunction with the resurrection of those beheaded for His testimony (Rev 20:4).

[@codyalexander3290]

@@brandonvonbo9708 they could have arose and we just don’t know.

[@joshamaya196]

If i lived in the first century in the few years after Jesus ascended, then you would have an interesting point, but the fact remains that none of this is scripturally proveable. No apostles testify to this, and history doesn't show this to be at all the belief among the bretheren of the time.

[@gracegithuka4730]

I understood it the first time i studied it without anyone's help,its clear n i dont know why this lawless teachers don't get it

[@amadeus3584]

There’s no way Jesus ever ate pork my friend neither the disciples .

[@Shotbykreature]

Stop the cap Torah only

[@asmallfarmhomestead3657]

Yeah because He was made under the law and followed jt perfectly ushering in the new covenant….a new and better covenant

[@tan1591]

@@asmallfarmhomestead3657ergo, pork can’t be declared as clean by the fact that it wasn’t food according to Jesus.

[@ri3m4nn]

17:00 though I agree with your contextual statement and I know you're trying to argue specifically "abolish", but it's misleading because the principle that what you eat doesn't defile you still applies. We know this because Acts 15 only, gently encourages observance as well as the didache. It's not an abolishment, but discretionary.

[@dwilliams1888]

So based on Acts 15 we should not eat anything with blood correct? That would mean it needs to be kosher? Please not le that clean and unclean animals were defined before the Jews came about. Read Genesis 7

[@natemead]

Paul said they make idols of their stomachs.

[@carlmathias428]

Hey Brother, would you comment on Deuteronomy 5:2. I know that Hashem didn’t directly make the Sinai Covenant with the “our fathers” But we use verses like Gen. 26.5 to show that even Abraham obeyed Torah before Mount Sinai. Thanks and Shalom

[@beeinthebodytorahclass2002]

Keep the dietary Laws!!

[@dustinrichburg8638]

What will they profit if kept?

[@onejohn2.26]

Christians will do or say anything to defy God's Commandments.

[@DavidWilberBlog]

While that is the case with some professing Christians, in my experience, most Christians either haven't really looked into the topic closely, or they are genuinely convinced by their reading of Scripture that some commandments don't apply anymore. It is not an act of defiance. And if they did see that commandments like the dietary laws still matter, they would keep them. Hopefully some of them will be persuaded by my videos-that's why I make them! :)

[@charitybrook6279]

@@DavidWilberBlog wow this comment was such a test of your heart! You have shown good fruit in your response God bless you!

[@ashersian2563]

They will twist scripture to suit thier unclean/ unhealthy apittite.

[@kimmieb2u]

​@@DavidWilberBlog I completely agree. I have loved the Lord since I was a child. I followed the teachings I was taught. If I hadn't had my eyes opened, I'd still be there, violating the Sabbath. I'm so glad to have a better understanding. I want YHWH to be pleased with me.

[@ralphandersson6057]

Im just more confused

[@JDL8888]

Excellent presentation, are you Jewish? Can I copy this video to my channel? Brother??

[@gregmcglaughn6526]

That was added to the modern perverted bibles why would Peter need a sheet declare gentiles clean parrible? In Act 10? 27_28?

[@joshamaya196]

So by saying this, i would assume you have evidence that this is added? A manuscript or some such evidence?

[@inHimken]

Nice 6.11.23

[@ninaovadia7965]

Yikes. Too much misinformation.I’m dizzy 😵😵‍💫🥴

[@DavidWilberBlog]

Then it should be easy for you to provide just one example. I'm genuinely curious what you think I've said that is "misinformation." Thanks in advance!

[@brandonvonbo9708]

A slanderous accusation to tell someone they are misrepresenting the word of God and not be able to say where they misrepresented.