Did Jesus, the Son of God, Exist As An Eternally Begotten Son Before He Was Born? The Word of John 1

After learning how God created all things by speaking His word and how everything contained in God's Word began with a thought in his heart and mind (His foreordained plan); God's Word is His self expression (Him revealing Himself), the thoughts and intents of His heart (an outward expression of His plan). We can now turn our attention to John 1:1 and come to understand why John used the Greek word "Logos," translated as "Word" in our English bibles. John was a monotheistic Jew and he only believed in one singular God whose name was Yahweh. He didn't believe in multiple persons that make up God. He didn't have "persons" in mind when writing the gospel of John. In modern times the concept of the Trinity was formulated by man and has continued to be passed down through tradition in the religious world causing many people to believe that John 1:1 is a proof text for the doctrine of the Trinity (the belief that God consists of multiple different eternal persons that make up one God in essence).
How do we reconcile the understanding from the Old Testament about there only being one singular divine conscious rational Being whose name is Yahweh with certain New Testament Scriptures that reveal a clear distinction between Father and Son? In this video we will learn that it's by understanding the incarnation. Not by turning God into different eternal persons.
John did not use the term "Son" in John 1:1 because that term always refers to the incarnation and involves human nature. The Son, therefore, did not exist before the incarnation (before the supernatural conception in the womb of Mary when God was manifest in the flesh). The "Son" only pre-existed the incarnation in thought as a foreordained plan in the mind of Yahweh God (the Son was with the Father in this manner only, but not as an eternal person beside the Father). The singular divine Person of God whose name is Yahweh, pre-existed the incarnation as the Word (Logos): the divine expression. The Word was God!
Yahweh God created the worlds by speaking forth His word (His self expression, the thoughts and intents of His heart). This is how He created the worlds in and through the Son (the Son was in His foreordained plan all along). This is why Jesus is called the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8) even though we know He wasn't actually slain until He was born and then was crucified in time. Since it was Yahweh God, the singular eternal divine Spirit who pre-existed the incarnation as the Word (Logos), it is appropriate to use the term "Word (Logos)" in reference to God without any reference to humanity. That is not true about the term "Son." "Son" always involves humanity and is a purely incarnational term. The Word (Logos) had pre-existence because the Word was God (Yahweh), the Creator. The Word (Yahweh God) then became flesh in the fulness of time and the Son was born (John 1:14; Galatians 4:4). So the Word was not an eternally begotten Son that was manifest in the flesh. The Word was the singular God, Yahweh, who became flesh in the fulness of time. There could only be a Son of God after the incarnation (after the Word was made flesh).
God sent forth His Son by manifesting in the flesh. This terminology all pertains to the incarnation and is referring to Yahweh Himself making Himself known in the face of Jesus Christ. Luke 1:35 tells us that the term "Son of God" was given to Jesus because the Holy Ghost came upon Mary. This never happened in the beginning, helping us to see that the term "Son of God" is an incarnational term. Nowhere in God's Word do we read about an eternally begotten Son. God is eternal, and on a particular day in time, God was manifest in the flesh and the Son of God was born. God now exists in 2 distinct manners at the same time while remaining one Person: as God transcendent to His incarnation in the flesh and as man through His incarnation in the flesh with human limitation wilfully placed upon Himself in that manner of existence. This is the mystery of the incarnation.
According to Hebrews 1:1-2, Yahweh God (the Father) didn't speak by the Son until after the incarnation in "these last days" that the apostles were in back in the first century. God the Father was speaking by the prophets before the incarnation and so in Isaiah 45:23 it is God the Father speaking through Isaiah (a prophet) and it's revealing that Jesus Christ is Yahweh God incarnate, not an eternal Son incarnate as we learn by taking this understanding and reading Romans 14:10-11.
Please join me in this video to better understand how the Word (Logos) of John 1:1 was "with" God. By comparing John 1 with 1 John 1 we can understand that the Word (Logos) is God Himself just like eternal life is God Himself. God's life was with Him, but certainly not in a face to face relationship. God's life is not a different person from Himself and neither is His Word (Logos).

[@KendrickRussell-ec5ss]

I loved this thank you so much , I can't wait for your breakdown of the Logos having a form in Philippians ! So far I love this !

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

Glad to hear! I will hopefully be posting again here soon with more on the Logos of John 1 before heading into Philippians 2. I have really enjoyed digging deep into the Word regarding this subject. Peace to you!

[@womandela7225]

This was very clear to me! Thank you!!

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

I'm glad to hear that! God bless you in your studies!

[@huntsimple9527]

I appreciate this video. it is amazing to me how anyone could not get that Jesus is God in the flesh. I don't know how much clearer that could be from John 1. I guess it comes back to how Jesus talks to the Father throughout the Gospels and that is confusing to people making them think they are two separate entities. One time in a discussion with some folks who think Jesus and God are not the same - I just ended up saying "I guess as people we can't understand what it is like to be God and human at the same time." A couple of them pondered that for a moment, and the conversation wrapped up pretty quickly.......

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

Excellent! Yes, so simple and yet people have to try and twist Scripture to try and understand God through their finite experience as a human being by turning God into multiple "persons" in order to "make sense" of certain details presented in the New Testament. So true, as humans we can't understand what it is like to be God and man at the same time or how that is even possible. We aren't God! But that's exactly what God did through the incarnation. He is both Father and Son at the same time! Why can't people just accept this in faith instead of splitting up God to try and wrap their finite minds around what the Scriptures present to us? They ignore the Old Testament and then end up reading their own presuppositions into the New Testament to understand how God did what He did.

[@huntsimple9527]

Exactly! My belief on why people don't accept the truth of Scripture, on any aspect of it, is because they are still caught up in the world and in believing they know best and if they truly accepted Scripture it destroys their false foundation and they realize they only have a chance at being alive through the blood of Jesus Christ. People don't want to accept that they are born dead and evil. Jesus Christ came to testify as to the evil of man, that why His gospel is so hated.@@ShatteringFalseFoundations

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

This is very well researched. I too have mentioned in my videos... In the beginning was the Word... it doesn't say that the Son of God was in the beginning. The Word was made flesh.... The Word of God was fully merged in a man.... because God had always spoken his Word through men.... like the prophets. I have a question... in the end... are you saying that God and the Son are the same thing... or are you saying that God and the Son are separate but completely agree. Like... did God die on the cross? And... Was God pretending to be a baby? Did God pretend to learn the Word and grow in wisdom? This is way my brain thinks... I can't help it.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

Hey Ted, that's a great question! I understand that this subject is hard for us to wrap our finite heads around. What God did in Christ is something that we ourselves can't do and so we can't relate or fully understand how God did what He did through the incarnation. If you haven't seen the videos in this series prior to this one, I highly encourage you to watch those, especially the one on the dual nature of Jesus Christ that can be watched at the following link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHuxg5Krht16p9U With regards to the distinction between Father and Son, it's not a distinction between 2 different persons (conscious rational Beings) as you are aware. But since the incarnation, the one singular God now exists in two different manners at the same time. Yahweh now exists as the eternal, invisible, omnipresent Spirit outside of His incarnation in the flesh while existing as a genuine man through His incarnation in the flesh. God is both Father and Son at the same time. The Father is Yahweh in His unlimited transcendent existence and the Son is Yahweh in His limited human manner of existence. This is why the Son (though fully God) didn't know all things, hungered, thirsted, and could even die. The Son was a genuine human being, albeit Yahweh God incarnate. This is the true mystery of the incarnation. It would be wrong to say that God died on the cross because God is an invisible, immortal, omnipresent Spirit. But through the incarnation, the one singular Person of God, Yahweh Himself, was manifest in the flesh and as a genuine man limited by the humanity that He wilfully took part in, was able to lay down His life in death for the salvation of mankind. God incarnate, the Son of God, the man Christ Jesus, died. This is how God purchased the church with His own blood...all in reference to the incarnation. Acts 20:28 KJVS Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. My upcoming video on Philippians 2 will be very helpful in explaining the willing limitation that God placed upon Himself when He added humanity to His existence. God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself (2 Corinthians 5:19) through the incarnation as a genuine man with a human consciousness, while remaining the eternal, unchanging, invisible omnipresent Spirit transcendent to His incarnation in the flesh. God didn't need to pretend to be a baby or learn the Scriptures, He actually became a genuine man through the incarnation with a human consciousness and limitations while remaining the unlimited Spirit transcendent to His incarnation in the flesh. I know that's pretty deep, but the following videos explain it in greater detail and my series will continue to investigate the truths contained in God's Word to help us better understand the amazing wonder of the incarnation. God bless you in your continue studies and seeking of the truth! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqDNaJalnrKFgZY kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpOtZaika5aAfcU kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6TZhJ-Ajcpji9E

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

@@ShatteringFalseFoundations i have watched the other videos. But I still can't see God dying.... his son died.... and he was a man because God always spoke His through men. It's hard on the brain.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

@@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316 That’s the importance of understanding the incarnation. God became a man in the fullness of time. This is the only way God could purchase the church with His own blood. God recognized that He couldn’t die which is why He incarnated in the flesh. Jesus was a genuine man, albeit God’s very Person (essence/substance) incarnated in the flesh. There is a distinction between Father and Son, it’s just not a distinction of different persons. The distinction arose with the incarnation and oh what a mystery it is! The mystery isn’t that it happened, the mystery is how the great God of heaven, creator of the universe, became a genuine man, the Saviour of mankind.

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

@@ShatteringFalseFoundations Whenever, I come across a person who is willing to challenge things like the Trinity, and other accepted doctrines, I am hopeful. If you are willing to put in the effort the study the Bible to challenge the consensus, are you willing to challenge other established doctrines? I for one, want to find more people who will biblically challenge the Sovereignty doctrine.... because I don't see it in Christ. And, since the revelation of Christ shows us the true character of his Father, I do not see control in Christ. Jesus needs to be our foundation to understand the plan, purpose, and character of God.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

@@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316 I don’t believe in the sovereignty of God as taught in the reformed camps. Calvinistic sovereignty is unbiblical. I did an entire series going into great depth exposing the errors of Calvinism including the sovereignty of God. Examining Calvinism (Reformed Theology) kzbin.info/aero/PLo_7oh9llbNbuveNaVxp6cwBpyeOpuylY The first video of the following series talks about how I view God’s “sovereignty” and it’s not the popular opinion. Let me know your thoughts. I believe God is in charge but not in control or else we would all be a bunch of puppets on a string and it ends up tainting God’s true character. Examining Calvinism (Reformed Theology) kzbin.info/aero/PLo_7oh9llbNbuveNaVxp6cwBpyeOpuylY

[@BeatriceLawson-ew8rf]

I never looked at it this way because of what I have been taught over the years. Thank you for clarifying and it does make more sense now. I always wondered why the Father and the Son were in the beginning. Shouldn't there have been a Mother I asked myself? Thank you again for all your research and explanation of Scripture. I am seeing a tapestry forming. My simple brain has a question. When we are raptured to Christ at the end of time, will we live eternally with God the Son? Not the Father because He is spirit and unapproachable?

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

Praise the Lord! I'm so glad to hear you are seeing things more clearly. It's hard for our finite brains to comprehend what God did in Christ through the incarnation, showing His great love for us. Now to briefly answer your question, when the resurrection takes place and we enter eternity, Jesus is the only one we will see since He is the visible image of the invisible God. Jesus is not a different Person/Being beside the Father's Person but is actually the Father's very Person incarnate as our Saviour (Hebrews 1:1-3) Jesus is God made visible in the flesh as a genuine man. No man will ever be able to see God as to His very essence since He is an omnipresent, invisible Spirit. However since Yahweh God manifested in the flesh through the incarnation, we can now see the Person of Yahweh our Father through the face of Jesus Christ. Yahweh God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself (2 Corinthians 5:19). Jesus Christ is the brightness of the Father's glory and the express image of His very Person. This is why we can call Jesus our everlasting Father and worship Him as our Lord and our God. If we have the Son we automatically have the Father because the Son is the Father's very Person incarnate. The name Jesus means Yahweh is salvation. Colossians 1:13-15 KJVS Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: [14] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: [15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Isaiah 9:6 KJVS For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Much more could be said, but hopefully this helped answer the question in your mind. The rest of this series will continue covering this subject in great detail as well. God bless you in your continued studies! Let me know if I can be of any help along the way.

[@vernalongwell1648]

This is so good. You have taken so much time in studying all this out. And this is why, if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father either - for they are One.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

Amen! That's right! 1 John 2:22-23 KJVS Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 2 John 1:9 KJVS Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. I'm glad to hear you have enjoyed this teaching! I hope to be able to post more soon. Great to hear from you again. Peace to you!

[@vernalongwell1648]

I will be sticking with you!❤ @@ShatteringFalseFoundations

[@vernalongwell1648]

Actually going to start at number 1 and go through them all again to get them all settled before your next one. Thank you so much!

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

@@vernalongwell1648 That’s great! It’s very helpful to start from the beginning. I pray they are edifying and uplifting.

[@lmorter7867]

Good stuff. Why did Jesus pray to the Father though? Was he praying to himself?? Kind of confusing.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

That's a common question and an important one! I understand that the incarnation is hard for us to fully understand and grasp because we are not God and we can't relate to what God did by manifesting in the flesh. How could the one singular unlimited Spirit of God become man while remaining the eternal, invisible, omnipresent Spirit outside of His incarnation in the flesh and without dividing up the singularity of His Being? According to Scripture, the answer lies in what took place through the incarnation when God was manifest in the flesh through the virgin birth. Therefore, the more we understand about the incarnation the more we will be able to understand the human limitations of Jesus and why Jesus hungered, thirsted, couldn't be everywhere at once, didn't know all things, could be tempted, and why He had to pray. If Jesus was God, was He just faking all of these things? Most definitely not. The answer lies in understanding the incarnation. We know that Jesus is God as to His very Person, but in today's religious world it is easy to take our eyes off of the fact that He was also a genuine human being (He wasn't pretending to be human but was actually limited by human nature). I will soon be doing a video on Philippians 2:5-8 (that will help shed even more light on this subject and will help to answer your question in greater detail) regarding the limitation that God placed upon Himself through the incarnation, limiting Himself to a genuine human existence with a genuine human consciousness and this will help us to see how everything that Jesus did, He did as a genuine man, albeit God incarnate. But through the incarnation, God as omnipresent Spirit didn't cease to exist. We must acknowledge that there is a distinction between Father and Son (or else you are correct that Jesus would be praying to Himself), while at the same time we can't be turning God into multiple different Persons. This can be understood in light of a Scriptural understanding of the incarnation and being able to place the distinctions between Father and Son in their proper place (not in the beginning before the worlds were created, but arising because of the incarnation when God was manifest in the flesh through the virgin birth). This series will continue to go deeper and thoroughly cover this subject but it is important that we understand this subject from the foundation by going back to the Old Testament. If you haven't seen this entire series in order, I highly recommend watching it in order as found in this playlist. Each video builds upon the next video just like in my original sin series. It will really help lone to grasp the foundational understanding that we need to have about God as written in the Old Testament in order to better understand the identity of Jesus as presented in the New Testament and why Jesus needed to pray if He was God. One God: Understanding the Singularity of God in Light of the Distinctions Between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost kzbin.info/aero/PLo_7oh9llbNbh0-mW2I3WrQcDBqQYDRVs But to briefly answer your question. Jesus needed to pray as much as we do because He was a genuine human being. He prayed because as a man He needed a relationship with God, and was reliant upon God's strength and power that only comes from His anointing which enabled Jesus to minister to the world and finish the works the Father (transcendent Spirit) gave Him to do (John 4:34; 5:36). When Jesus prayed, it was not deity praying to deity, but the Son of God, a genuine human being, praying to God as He exists outside of a human existence. Although this is difficult for us to fully comprehend, it must be understood in light of God's kenosis (the limitation discussed in Philippians 2:5-8). Through the incarnation, the one singular God willingly limited the exercise of His divine abilities in order to experience all that we experience as limited human beings (enabling Him to be touched with the feeling of our infirmities). So, although Jesus was in essence God, functionally He was a man dependent on the Holy Spirit. Through the incarnation, God chose to take upon Himself a genuine human existence (taking upon Himself the form of a servant for the suffering of death), operating within the limitations of a genuine human being. The deity of the Father was most definitely in Jesus, but we need to understand that it was limited in Him because of His humanity. In the incarnation, Jesus is distinct from the Father, not as to His deity (Person/essence), but as to His humanity. Through the incarnation, Jesus must be spoken of as being distinct from the Father, because the Father is God (unlimited Spirit) beyond a human existence, while Jesus Christ is God in (limited by) a human existence. God remains one singular Person who is now experiencing 2 different manners of existence at the same time because of the incarnation. With all details aside, the most important thing that we need to believe is that Jesus Christ is the one singular God incarnate as our Saviour. When we look to Jesus we need to see Him as God incarnate (the everlasting Father) and recognize that we are complete in Him. Sadly, many people professing to be Christians today actually deny the deity of Christ or they don't believe that we are complete in Jesus because of a wrong understanding of the distinctions between Father and Son. Colossians 2:8-10 KJVS Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. [10] And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: I understand that's a lot to process but there will be much more videos to come which will hopefully make what I've said here much more digestible and understandable through a detailed use of Scripture. I hope this was helpful and be sure to watch the entire series from the beginning and continue to keep a lookout for future videos in this series. God bless you in your studies!

[@lmorter7867]

​@@ShatteringFalseFoundationsThank you for taking time to respond to me. I will certainly listen to more. Ive never heard this view before so you definitely have peaked my interest. I find that when people cause me to question something and I take on the challenge and examine scripture I grow clloser to God. I believe as long as we remain humble and teachable and stay in the Word we can't go wrong 🙏

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

At the end of the day if we can agree that there is only one singular God (the divine invisible omnipresent Spirit) whose name is Yahweh and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is that one singular God incarnate as our Saviour, then that's all that matters. Jesus Christ is the mighty God and the everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6) and He is the only means by which we can be saved. It is because Jesus is God incarnate that He is the mediator between God and man. Did you by chance receive my reply to your question about God being agape (love) and how many feel that implies multiple persons? Just wondering your thoughts on that.

[@lmorter7867]

@@ShatteringFalseFoundations I did not see your reply to my agape question. I will look at it now. I totally agree that what matters is that we have faith that Jesus is God incarnate. I don't think we have to understand the how that matters but the willingness to trust God that is important.

[@lmorter7867]

I can't find my original post on that. Strange. I usually get emails when I get a response.

[@grasonicus]

You say Jesus is the incarnation of Yahweh. Who did Jesus refer to as his Father? Who did Jesus pray to? With a position as illogical as yours, you'll have no problem with these non sequiturs. Yes, I know, an avalanche of words to the rescue. Cover logic and fact under so much BS one can't see them. That's called obfuscation--a form of false reasoning.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

Your comment reveals how you don’t understand the incarnation. A genuine incarnation of the Word took place. The Word was God (John 1:1). Jesus Christ was a genuine man, albeit God’s very Person incarnate (God experiencing a genuine human existence limited by human nature). Jesus referred to Yahweh the omnipresent Spirit as His Father. The man Christ Jesus prayed to God transcendent. Are you a deity of Jesus Christ denier? I have some questions for you that may help keep you from looking to God and His word as logical or “illogical.” Is it "logical" that God would speak through a donkey? Is it "logical" that everything we see around us was created from nothing? Your comment actually diminishes the entire Word of God and the entire meaning and purpose of faith. We can believe things without needing to understand the "how." God most definitely became a man through the incarnation to save mankind from their sins. The first century Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as God were destroyed and Jesus called them a generation of vipers and said they were of their father the devil. Jesus is most definitely God incarnate according to Scripture. Let's take a look at what God's Word says: 1 John 5:20 KJVS And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. John 14:8-10 KJVS Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. [9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? [10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:16-18 KJVS And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 15:23-24 KJVS He that hateth me hateth my Father also. [24] If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. John 10:30 KJVS I and my Father are one. Acts 20:28 KJVS Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. John 20:27-29 KJVS Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. [28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 8:57-58 KJVS Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Isaiah 9:6 KJVS For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Matthew 1:23 KJVS Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

[@grasonicus]

@@ShatteringFalseFoundations I believe as the Jews of the first century believed about God. Jesus said to the woman at the well the Jews knew God. Also like the man who said to Jesus that God is one, and Jesus commended him. That man didn't believe Jesus to be God in any form. So, I'm a Unitarian. Like Paul said, for us, there's one God, the Father…

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

@grasonicus I figured you were Unitarian by the spirit in which you responded, very arrogant and prideful. To think that there are people today who call themselves Christian who deny the deity of Jesus Christ! Carnal reasoning didn’t get the unbelieving Jews anywhere. Only the Jews who acknowledged Jesus as Lord were born again. There is only one Lord according to the Jewish religion and that is Yahweh. How did God purchase the church with His own blood if there was never a genuine incarnation of God? Acts 20:28 KJVS Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Also, if you believe that God is one, then surely you should believe the words of Jesus when He said He and His Father were One. John 10:30 KJVS I and my Father are one. Again there is a distinction between Father and Son, just not a distinction between different Persons (essences or beings). God is both Father and Son (a genuine man) at the same time. This is why Jesus Christ is called the first and the last, the Almighty in Revelation. There is only one Almighty and that is Yahweh. Yahweh is the first and the last. Yahweh is the only Saviour! All this establishes Jesus Christ as God incarnate. Isaiah 43:10-11 KJVS Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [11] I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. Isaiah 48:12-13 KJVS Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. [13] Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. Revelation 1:8 KJVS I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 22:12-13 KJVS And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. [13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Jude 1:25 KJVS To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Titus 3:4 KJVS But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Be sure to hear the entire matter. Watch this entire series and allow God's Word to speak to you so the eyes of your understanding can be opened to the truth. kzbin.info/aero/PLo_7oh9llbNbh0-mW2I3WrQcDBqQYDRVs

[@pekde]

There is much good in the teaching but if I got you right in your doctrine Jesus is the same as YHVH. The same person. I think not. There are multiple verses in NT where Jesus interacts with his Father. They are different persons, but Holy Spirit of course is not. Jesus is next to God. God as head of Jesus and Jesus as head of (wo)man. Very basic and easy stuff. Jesus is divine and same spirit 100 % than God. John 1 means only God is speaking and things happen. Then Moses and profets are the messenger, later the son who is the mediator.

[@ShatteringFalseFoundations]

How can Jesus be divine if He is not the one singular God incarnate? You have not taken the time to understand what I am saying if this is the first video you’ve seen. This is a video in the middle of an entire series. Jesus is most definitely Yahweh incarnate. There is a distinction between Father and Son, it’s just not a distinction between 2 different persons of God. There is only one single divine person of God and His name is Yahweh. Yahweh fathered a Son and that Son is both fully God and fully man (God manifest in the flesh). Again, the distinction is not in Persons of God but the distinction is between God as He now exists as omnipresent Spirit transcendent to His incarnation in the flesh and as He exists as Son through His incarnation in the flesh. If you care to hear the entire matter, I believe this series so far shows the weakness of what you are saying by looking to the Scriptures in their entirety. One God: Understanding the Singularity of God In Light of the Distinctions Between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost kzbin.info/aero/PLo_7oh9llbNbh0-mW2I3WrQcDBqQYDRVs&si=8-F481JJEun7I97K

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@@ShatteringFalseFoundations Because God has given him the auchtority and divinity. Jesus is the 100 % image of God, a little bit we are image of Jesus, but very poorly. Jesus was sinless, we are not. God and Jesus were always greeted separately by Apostholes. But God is greater. Both are lords, a majestete. God alone is YHVH.

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@@pekde What you are saying is not taught in Scripture. God alone is Yahweh (Jehovah) and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh. Quite simple. If there is only one God then Jesus is that one God incarnate. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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@@ShatteringFalseFoundations what you say 70 % of NT disagrees. You just pick a couple of verses and make your own religion.

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You haven’t even read the Bible my friend. You have simply shared your thoughts on this subject without using Scripture to support your thoughts. My video series uses Scripture and not just a few. Please go somewhere else, this channel is not for you it’s for truth seekers.