Did Minimax Just Dethrone Runway?

[@SeifAbdalla_Films]

Thank you so much for mentioning my film, The Theater! it's a huge honor to be featured on your Web show. I am a big fan! 😍

[@curiousrefuge]

Aye! You did an amazing job with it. :)

[@yannmassard3970]

hi bro, used to work 20 years in the VFX and CGI industry, at start, when MJ came out, I was really mad at AI, but I changed my mind about it a year ago. The hate is not deserved. Peace

[@pjacefilms]

Thanks for having me on the show this week!

[@curiousrefuge]

Thanks for sharing your insights!

[@markgoodman2801]

The interview with that PJ Ace guy was awesome. Great to hear how it was made and the workflow. Love more of that.

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad you enjoyed that!

[@gia122310]

Great meeting you and Shelby at the AWS AI Film Competition! Had a chance to connect with the winner and one of the finalists as well. Gotta incorporate some of their tools into my toolkit! The event was fun and hope you guys are enjoying LA Tech Week!

[@curiousrefuge]

So great to meet you! :) :) :)

[@jzwadlo]

Best AI update roundup of the week for sure!

[@swaydaygaming7571]

PJ is a great filmmaker. I met him at an international film festival in Orlando some years ago. Have been following his work ever since. Once he entered the space I knew there would be some positive traction in the right direction regardless of the anti AI crowd. Only up from here as the tools continue to improve.

[@daczito]

You are amazing. Things rarely keep my attention nowadays,. But I thoroughly enjoyed everything about your video. Dont change!

[@curiousrefuge]

Wow, thank you!

[@classicvwbugs]

Thank you for the "Shout Out" to the West Palm Beach Florida Filmmaker Meetup! Very much looking forward to the meeting, the owners of Mama Bellas gourmet Market, are very excited to have us!

[@curiousrefuge]

Yay! So excited for the meetup!

[@katlis]

@@curiousrefuge Cool to hear about this meetup near me, I'll be there too!

[@westingtyler1]

I've done like 100 generations of face portraits in minimax with their free trial, and the emotion and body language of people, when standing still, is the best I've seen so far.

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad you've enjoyed the product!

[@AiBangerzaivideos]

Minimax is definitely the runway killer and Luma too. Luma doesn’t even have an unlimited plan and they’re in a far third behind Kling and Minimax. Kling is still king for the moment. All the picture to video stuff I’ve seen done in 1.5 is really on the level of not being able to tell it’s Ai.

[@curiousrefuge]

We love it! but hard to say something is a killer when it all leapfrogs each other each week!

[@TheJereld]

I loved PJ Ace's process and how he handled all the outrage when Ai does a spectacular job and people hate that. It's like a double win pissing them off. He's right about Ai encompasses the entire production aspect over film schools, that have you develop a skill in just one craft, costume, set design, sound design, etc. You really are running all areas of a movie production by yourself. 16:52 Caleb's face. LOL!

[@pjacefilms]

Thank you!

[@curiousrefuge]

It was a great convo!

[@TeemuKetola]

Kling 1.5 is the current king. MiniMax should’ve been compared to Kling, not Runway. Flux seems to outperform Midjourney in realism but not in cinematic compositions. However, it would be nice to see in-depth comparison between the two. Midjourney sucks with text and wide shots of consistent characters. Flux seems to do better job in keeping characters consistent too. Great informative video from you guys, as always!

[@curiousrefuge]

Kling is definitely amazing!

[@chrislaishowcase]

text to video kling is good. but it sucks at image to video, minimax is definitely better

[@TeemuKetola]

@@chrislaishowcase I've had good results with Kling's image-to-video. I've only tried the text-to-video a few times. But agreed that MiniMax is definitely great. I've used it for my most recent short film and also my new one that I'm releasing tomorrow :)

[@EldrinAnio]

Disagree, MiniMax is the best out of them all.

[@SpaceFairyness]

💖PJ is inspirational 🙌🏻 Thankyou for the workflow tips, I can't wait to try!👏🏻✨️👏🏻✨️

[@AIForWinner]

Minimax is flexible, but Runway excels with more comprehensive features. You explained the differences between Minimax and Runway in a clear and engaging way!

[@curiousrefuge]

We love minimax!

[@BarnabasLawson]

Thank you ☺️ Wish I could have made the summit. Missed that was in London. Would have gone 😢 if I had known in advance

[@curiousrefuge]

Next time! :)

[@BarnabasLawson]

@@curiousrefuge Yes definitely

[@MertBert]

The 4-angled collage was a hefty trick. Thanks!

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad you liked it!

[@dasberlinlex]

Nicely done. A lots of good tips and info. Thank you.

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad it was helpful!

[@FlowFidelity]

Thanks for the update.

[@curiousrefuge]

Any time!

[@elderyautja165]

Minimax and Vidu and Sea art. The current trinity to create absolute greatness.

[@curiousrefuge]

Very cool tools indeed!

[@GiacomoCannelli]

The original audio is almost perfect. Especially if you want to do a documentary and sometimes have the person to appear in between footage. Also, it would be interesting for acting.

[@curiousrefuge]

We think so too!

[@melies-ai]

Minimax is so good at following prompts and has incredible consistency

[@curiousrefuge]

Minimax is pretty amazing!

[@TheinterfaceTvSeries]

I feel your pain PJ. I wrote Dragonball Evolution! Anime fans are -- quite passionate to say the least. I got my share of death threats too! But don't let it get you down. You did a great job.

[@Gameoftones-x4c]

Why would anyone pay for any video generator when it's still not good enough to do anything with?

[@TPCDAZ]

If you're not good enough to do anything with AI video in it's current form that says more about you than it does the service.

[@Gameoftones-x4c]

@@TPCDAZ so you're saying i should spend tons of money generating hundreds of clips just so I can get 1 workable 5 seconds clip for my video?? Super, I'll try that!

[@TPCDAZ]

@@Gameoftones-x4c Not at all. I'm saying you should get better at prompting.

[@davidsainte1]

@@Gameoftones-x4c Have you ever made a film before. That what filming takes consist of.

[@AiBangerzaivideos]

@@davidsainte1it’s exactly like rolling takes! That’s what I always tell people. Human actors just take better directions. lol

[@BBFX-TheWorldWeKnow]

Im still learning AI movie making, I am a 3d artist/animator and was against AI a year ago and now I realized its not only going to reshape how film and animation in the industry but I think it will dominate the movie making versus the traditional 3d animation and rendering in the coming years. AI is practical, prompting however really depends on each individual how they can do spot on result, I have numerous trial and error but at the end of the day its satisfactory result. I like Minimax/Hailuo I think they are excellent tool.

[@curiousrefuge]

Those are definitely some good tools!

[@stylezmorales]

I can't wait for the day these platforms release the ability to change the FPS and maybe even some frame interpolation for the not so smooth renders.

[@curiousrefuge]

Same!

[@ichaostelevision]

I just subscribed to mini max and been using Kling for a bit. Both are good but I found Mini max has better adherences to prompts with image to video anyway. I have a heck of a time and never really suceeded getting a warrior woman to walk forward ... she kept walking backwards but mini max did great. I also used mini max to prompt two animated pod cast hosts to use with google notebook to make a pod cast. Minimax was the only one that worked properly for getting one character to talk while the other was just listening with both on the screen.

[@curiousrefuge]

Nice! Do you have a link to that excitement?

[@IgorDoval]

Is there any other 'video to video' application or is it just Runway at the moment? Is it scheduled to be released on Minimax?

[@TPCDAZ]

Minimax and runway are two totally different services. There is also kling

[@armondtanz]

There was one a while back. Was it kaiber? They were talked about a lot. Not so much now.

[@IgorDoval]

@@armondtanz was it the one used om that 'Lost' linkin park music video?

[@curiousrefuge]

video to video are things like Kaiber!

[@armondtanz]

@@IgorDoval yea. That rings bell. It was talked about a lot kaiber, but I think image to video kinda killed it off .

[@sprocketsintime]

The good news is this is the worst it will be, it will only get better. I think about the independent films I made in the 90s and 2000s and how I will eventually be able to give them life in a way, I never could due to budget constraints and practical FX. Thanks for sharing the different versions of cloning.

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad it was useful!

[@AIAcademy-f7g]

Great job.

[@curiousrefuge]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@STEPHENMOORE-d5b]

I still love your wes anderson trailers!

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad you enjoyed them!

[@infographie]

Excellent video.

[@williamcousert]

MiniMax's paid plans include early access to new features. Have any new features been announced or hinted at? Is there a public roadmap that shows what they want to bring out over the next few years? Is it possible to sign up to beta test upcoming features? Adobe's MAX 2024 starts tomorrow, and I'm hoping that's when they'll roll out generative fill for Premiere Pro. They rolled out generative extend today for the beta version, and I can't wait to see what people do with it.

[@curiousrefuge]

I'm not sure we've seen a public roadmap yet. But hopefully soon! These companies don't often show a big roadmap for competitive reasons.

[@Sasha_sementsev]

Thanks 🙏

[@curiousrefuge]

We appreciate it!

[@toobadfighter2867]

But the problem is that since Mini Max made the image available as a video, there has been a lot of pressure on the site. I mean, before, when you wrote a text to convert it to a video, it did not take a minute or maybe less to get a result. Now you wait half an hour or maybe more.

[@Shogun-AI2]

Yeah sometimes time increase again and again

[@curiousrefuge]

True! Sometimes these servers take a long time depending on usage.

[@toobadfighter2867]

@@curiousrefuge because of image to video there is thousands user

[@SirDangalot]

Hey man, great episode! Also, I love your waffle jacket. Where did you get it?

[@curiousrefuge]

I think that one was ASOS:)

[@EBee-zn4ys]

Excellent video- I just subscribed. This is all new to me. Are there any of these apps that can produce 15-30 second videos for commercial use? All I've been able to do is 5-6 seconds, but I am trying to learn asap. Thanks.

[@cipheredhistories]

@EBee-zn4ys 10 seconds is the most you can do. So you have to do 3 10 second clips then edit them to make one seamless 30 second clip.

[@curiousrefuge]

The best thing to do is get the generations (5-10seconds) and edit them together for best quality.

[@jameswilliams3581]

Do any of these also do video to video like Runway?

[@curiousrefuge]

Try Kaiber!

[@jameswilliams3581]

@@curiousrefuge thank you. 🙏

[@TheBlessingReport]

Minimax is 1 by far

[@curiousrefuge]

Minimax is super powerful for sure!

[@SravanKing-x1q]

Actually hailuoai is the best generator till now, but the point is here, in hailuoai it is all about prompting. If your prompt is better it would give better results am 💯 sure no other generator will come close to it . I created 500 videos till now and am saying this will experience

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad you are enjoying your experience!

[@markgoodman2801]

Real Caleb vs Not Real Caleb. That was crazy. I follow AI and I didn't know that was even possible!

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad you liked that!

[@josephine_lf_film]

How can we collab in Barcelona? Would love to!

[@curiousrefuge]

Email us from our website and we can get started!

[@fabianoperes2155]

Announcing things and NOT releaseing them??? IMG!!! Are you talking about SORA ?

[@curiousrefuge]

What do you mean?

[@craigington73]

It's 30 credits per generation. So 1000 will give you 33 generations ( which isn't much for the power user)

[@cipheredhistories]

Also take into account, that out of 33 you may have up 10 unusable ones.

[@armondtanz]

Might be better to do this than buy extra credits. Cling is 35 credits. So 30 beats 35. Also pika does a $10 . Sometimes real easy shots can be done in lesser video generators.

[@user-on6uf6om7s]

@@cipheredhistories That would be a good ratio. I've had certain shots take 20+ generations for a single 10 second shot and I don't think I'm that picky.

[@YouTubeAreCommunistScum]

Out of 33 u realistically have 1 or 2 usable ones if u are serious about your vision

[@curiousrefuge]

Certainly frustrating if you don't get the results you are looking for!

[@J-0ne]

thanks for the comparison. BTW , 24p vs 25p is not a big deal compared to AI artefacts. 25p is still a PRO standard too.

[@curiousrefuge]

Appreciate the feedback!

[@zentai5076]

I know that I will cancel my 99$ a month runway to play with minimax.

[@TPCDAZ]

Minimax is now $95 a month too. so no point

[@zentai5076]

@@TPCDAZ but i cant play with both... gonna try this one for a month but in these past few hours i have made an account and am not really impressed. the quality looks good, but runway has so many other little perks. too early to tell but i want to find one that can deliver commercial production value. i will use this for work

[@cipheredhistories]

As you should. Runway has fallen behind. In my opinion Minimax and Kling AI are the best 2 out there. Especially Kling 1.5!

[@Warmer_Bros]

I have been playing with minimax 20 years. Time to find a girlfriend.

[@meikmeiker2615]

Runway is very fast

[@theinterfaithshepherd9075]

This is going to change society in unpredictable ways. For example: TV personalities or famous people, may or may not even be real. It will become almost impossible to tell. How many of you have ever seen your favorite famous person in real life? There will be no method of validating a person is real or not. An average person, any person, could make themselves famous by creating their own reality show of them doing exciting things in unusual places. I'm sure there are 1000s of examples I'd love to hear! Please share!

[@curiousrefuge]

It will certainly be disruptive!

[@haroldvictoriart]

Muchas gracias!!

[@StunningMotionsTV]

Minimax or Runway, can you plz explain how to continue to further shots with same scene, consistent character, and camera moves when we are creating a movie? because all the view gets changed for next shot, and sometimes character as well. Every expert on youtube is showing just 1 shot. Please let us learn to shoot a scene of 6 shots, 3 minutes long, showing 7 friends. Refer to any sample scene from series FRIENDS. Many thanks

[@curiousrefuge]

We'll try and make some more comparisons :)

[@gamingguruoz]

on the unlimited trial you get the first 3 very quickly, but then its half an hour for each one after that, they blame the queue, seems a bit fishy

[@curiousrefuge]

True there have been some slowdowns!

[@TheBann90]

Compare it to Kling instead

[@curiousrefuge]

Will do!

[@TheStoriesBook-ht4cl]

❤❤❤❤🎉😊 awesome

[@curiousrefuge]

Thanks for watching!

[@upscalednostalgiaofficial]

Please review Krea Ai which now partners with runway, hailuoai and kling as models in their video generation.

[@curiousrefuge]

Very cool partnership!

[@WisdomTooth1987]

all i want is consistent style transfer

[@curiousrefuge]

Nothing is perfectly consistent...yet! :)

[@FoodLandia22]

Paying money for something that doesn't work. NO THANK YOU! It's money for the garbage. 🖤

[@curiousrefuge]

Sorry to hear you feel that way!

[@aardvarkmindshank]

It’s difficult to watch the “movie” when it’s just jump cutting from one 5 second clip to another. It’s not good. We need longer shots, panning shots etc. It has a long way to go yet.

[@curiousrefuge]

Most movies now have shots that are 3 seconds or less now.

[@MYFood-wg8sd]

How to create my own consistency character 3D cartoon story.

[@curiousrefuge]

We'd suggest using Runway and using the cref parameter.

[@otaviopmartins]

Awesome

[@curiousrefuge]

Glad you enjoyed this!

[@mfurmyr]

Why do I get a warning from Norton?

[@curiousrefuge]

For what?

[@AIFightClub-w6v]

"I like your channel's news, but I also like how you dress.

[@curiousrefuge]

I appreciate that!

[@GFRxR]

Can you tell me the best AI to do lip sync on non human characters? Thanks

[@curiousrefuge]

Runway

[@Zerobytexai]

This has already been released for probably over a week lol I love your videos and personality, but you're always very behind on updates, unfortunately. I know I'm a little rough on you sometimes lol Good job either way

[@curiousrefuge]

Thanks for the tips! We release every week and we understand that sometimes we aren't able to get the latest update that came out in the previous days.

[@AmanBansil]

Uh I would take a look at those terms really closely. They had rights to clone you...I get that this is what is needed to show your clone to you; but, I think they OWN the clone and, hence, can have it do anything they wanted in the future. So, be careful.

[@curiousrefuge]

We appreciate the feedback.

[@agnesslovehealz]

Heygen impressive

[@curiousrefuge]

Extremely!

[@ryan18462]

It did as soon as it came out

[@curiousrefuge]

These tools keep leapfrogging each other :)

[@deovit]

yes this should be a statement not a question, is way better than runway and everything else, which is important because it means China just beat all the US AI companies. I can't believe this, I mean if would be close but it's not close it's way way better.

[@curiousrefuge]

We appreciate you commenting!

[@AISciFiVideo]

AI will have left the starting blocks when it can do fingers. A tip for now is prompt to wear black gloves. Seems to sort out the fingers.

[@curiousrefuge]

True, fingers has always been tough!

[@Natalia_koshka_i_budget]

1 video generation in minimax costs 30 credit so 1000 credits it is only 33 generation per month 🙄

[@curiousrefuge]

Pretty cray cray!

[@RS-Amsterdam]

The problem is that people who can't create anything cause they lack any skills have the biggest and most negative mouth in the comment section. Please, believe in yourself cause you all walk the righteous path. 🎉

[@curiousrefuge]

Drown out the negativity with positivity :)

[@cyberqueen777]

I think pretty soon - like now - we will no longer be able to tell what's real in this world anymore. What happens then?

[@curiousrefuge]

Like all content, the content that has the best storytelling will rise to the top - regardless of the tools that made it.

[@ZedMagnet]

Gnocchi it looked like to me (vs potatoes), but hard to tell for sure.

[@curiousrefuge]

Thanks for watching!

[@BlackxLight]

Dunno how you are getting these results. I might get a good result for 2 videos, then it goes way bad and basically gives you like 1980's 3d game video quality. Why should i pay for that?

[@curiousrefuge]

It certainly atkes some practice and we believe they make mini updates often which can mean the same prompt could look different depending on when trying.

[@reezlaw]

All film is 24 FPS, not just American

[@curiousrefuge]

thanks for the point! We didn't want to make any assumptions but I suppose our assumption was still wrong :)

[@valiantminded]

Runway is too censored.

[@curiousrefuge]

what are you trying to make?

[@valiantminded]

I was trying to create a scene from a dystopian novel. The promo was "Young African American girl running through a burning suburban neighborhood that is being looted by marauders".

[@MysticalWorlds-y3r]

Runaway is very expensive!

[@curiousrefuge]

Agreed!

[@iconimous]

is this a sponsored video?

[@curiousrefuge]

None of our videos are.

[@gumvue.studio]

yes minimax is very good, but I guess once they start makeing money they will be even better

[@curiousrefuge]

We'll see!

[@sathien9158]

I waiting for video to video

[@curiousrefuge]

Soon!

[@jdlnameson]

This META AI will probably kill the ai creative community before it can take off. People will be bored by these kind of videos very soon so what will we do next? When anything is possible?

[@curiousrefuge]

So long as there is storytelling, people won't get bored :)

[@DiddyWheldon]

Minimax was working so beautifully until you advertised it and thousands of people jumped on it now it takes forever and they have put a paywall up

[@Shogun-AI2]

I think it’s bacause of the new image to video function.

[@okgo5152]

So you are blaming him because you can’t afford a subscription? Ugh. It was free for quite some time, mini max deserves to get paid if they are providing a service where people make a profit off of their product they sell.

[@curiousrefuge]

We highly doubt it's because of us XD :). We appreciate you watching!

[@DogMomKT]

Can you lip sync the bear

[@curiousrefuge]

It's difficult but there are ways to do it whether it's animating the mouth, or prompting the mouth to move and simply VO it.

[@dakaisersthul]

Hold your horeses. That thing is in Chineese the paywall is absurd and the results pretty much a wildcard like in Runway.

[@curiousrefuge]

It's certainly frustrating!

[@Agherr08]

Still fails to deliver for real application, I guess in a few months.

[@curiousrefuge]

We'll see!

[@gooddayz-r7k]

i like the dream like look of AI. it doesnt have to look real to me.

[@curiousrefuge]

It's getting bettery every month :)

[@djsidemon5557]

Minimax have Trillion parametrer model

[@curiousrefuge]

Hah, perhaps one day!

[@tomadde]

Just started experimenting with image to video. Been working with midjourney for a while now. But this is my first finished image to video "movie" : kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3fEnnqoo5d1fJIsi=kKA2RodtB6gX4nm4

[@curiousrefuge]

Great work!

[@minijpmotorcycles]

Just by watching your videos I was able to create an AI mini series. Thanks. Episode 2 is out now: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpuXiWqpiN51gqcsi=6jrF93BQcMPFJNlY

[@curiousrefuge]

Heck yeah!

[@havanother1]

Yep, I knew it. You ARE AI.

[@curiousrefuge]

Welp, you caught me! :)

[@Larimuss]

Their not ready for realistic videos. Too short, 99% are distorted. Animation on the other hand. If someone would release a video model trained in 4x animation styles you could make a ton of money.

[@curiousrefuge]

It will be interesting to see how it plays out this year!

[@MGDIGITALSOLUTIONS]

Blagojevicu, stavi sledeci put Blago ili tako nesto, izgibe covek dok je izgovorio tvoje prezime

[@curiousrefuge]

thanks for watching!

[@morpheus2573]

Tip: When you tout yourselves as the wunderkinds of AI filmmaking, maybe you should take a little time to learn how to prompt in Midjourney to achieve your desired result before you try side by side comparisons with other products? Just sayin'.

[@curiousrefuge]

We tout ourselves as this?

[@morpheus2573]

@ Yep. That's how you position yourselves in the market. Every other video you put out you make claims that this or that product is the new Midjourney "killer," then proceed to make comparisons by rolling a single poorly prompted image (probably the worst of the selection), then making claims like "this isn't as good" or this isn't what we wanted." I've watched a lot of your videos and so far I haven't seen you use a single MJ prompt that taps into the full power and range of the program. And you're out there spouting how you can teach the world how to use AI to make films! For anyone who actually uses MJ you show yourself up as a total amateur with way more to learn than teach. School up, kid.

[@jackrippers8526]

Chinese... no thanks

[@curiousrefuge]

Don't get left behind!

[@saopaulo2000]

I canceled runway, its fraud to expensive and its capabilities average nothing outstanding just beautifull colors, but i payed because of the marketing

[@TPCDAZ]

you'll be no better off with Minimax. They are also $95 per month now.

[@saopaulo2000]

@@TPCDAZ thnx for the info

[@curiousrefuge]

Runway Generation certainly has some limitations, but they have an entire suite of tools that people can enjoy that other products don't.