Did Philosopher’s Stone Predict EVERYTHING? | Harry Potter Film Theory

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

I feel like it all fits together so well!!

[@futbol_rolf9624]

Welcome to Peak J.K. Rowling

[@methos9167]

it really does

[@Thesis_Rose]

Haven’t watched yet but I believe your true

[@devin.black1]

Dude perfect panda theory video please!

[@kalikohendrix1923]

Please can you guys do what if Harry died in GOF?

[@jocelynhale7168]

I love that this theory perpetuates the “I open at the close” sentiment. To have the events/plots of the series summarized in both the first and last books without it being super obvious is just perfection in my opinion

[@sampdee]

THIS COMMENT NEEDS TO BE PINNED

[@jaredbennett7677]

100%!

[@freshli1]

There is also a nice reference in the last movie. We see the group fighting their way through the castle to the boat's house. And on their path they encounter a number of things alluding to the previous incantations in the correct order: a giant (the troll or Hagrid), spiders (Aragok), Greyback (werewolf Lupin), dead student Lavender (dead Cedric), Dementors and members of the DA and OotP, Snape (the Halfblood Prince), Nagini (Horcrux)

[@billbooth2577]

I was thinking the same thing watching this video Jocelyn 🙂

[@hollyhartwick3832]

“I open at the close” was just code for “stuff the snitch in your mouth.” (Which the movie got wrong. He just basically kissed it. Weird.) Not sure that really applies here.

[@justinjyeung]

And the Mirror allows Harry to see his parents, not unlike how he Resurrection Stone allows him to do the same

[@Umamahh-iq1qp]

oooh YES!

[@euler4273]

In many ways, Philosophers Stone is like a quick summary of the whole series. There is a monster in a girls bathroom. Harry first meets Voldemort in the aftermath of events involving Hagrid and dragons. There are secret rooms in the castle that no one knew about, that are essential to the entire plot. There is a piece of Voldemort living inside other people. Snape seems like the bad guy, but actually he was helping out Harry in secret the whole time. Harry wakes up after a near-death experience, to have a private chat with Dumbledore. Slytherin has a comfortable lead against Gryffindor, but in the end, Harry, Hermione, Ron, and Neville defeat Slytherin, but only barely.

[@ariahazelwood3842]

I love all of these!!

[@uortodox9629]

The are no: important deaths occuring, important political conflicts decisive for the story, no Sirius black, hardly Any love or death vital for the story also. Great idea, but the theory doesnt really fit.

[@PhilBagels]

@@uortodox9629 It's not really a theory, just an extended analogy.

[@Connor-yn8pz]

@@uortodox9629 it would be ridiculous to fit them in the first book. It's a completely valid theory that does fit because those are all main plot points. If you want major deaths to match up that defeats the purpose of it being subtle Quick edit, I can't remember if it's movie, book or something I read online. But at some point I've heard of Hagrid noting that he got his motorbike from sirius so he could take Harry to dumbledore faster as a baby. That's where sirius would be in book 1 if you wanna be picky. Quirrels death could be the same as voldemorts main death. Ron was hurt when stepping up to help harry, like sirius died just after helping Harry at the ministry, (could also fit ron with dumbledore's death considering their similar personalities)

[@miriamrosemary9110]

@@Connor-yn8pz Hagrid indeed uses Sirius's motorbike to carry baby Harry. That's from the books. The bike is also in the movie, but I don't think they mention where/who the bike is from in the films.

[@blueberrymuffin4921]

The troll is what brought Harry, Ron, and Hermione together, which in turn led the three of them to bring together Dumbledore’s Army in book 5. Also may I just say, everyone in this comment section, reading all of your analogies are just so satisfying to hear. They fit together like a puzzle that wasn’t designed to fit together

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Pretty Weak Arguments. Mattpat? Is that you?! Seriously, 'Silver Keys like the Colour of Patronus'?? Wow.

[@DreadKyller]

@@loturzelrestaurant A single argument being weak means nothing. The basis for this theory is how many small connections there are not how strong an individual one is. And from your response perhaps you completely miss the point of theorycrafting. If you think the point is to definitively state "X is true and Y is not", then you're mistaken. The point is to exercise creativity and practice critical thinking skills. At the end of the day it doesn't matter much whether these theories are correct or not, if people leave out of it interested in a topic, or having had their thoughts provoked the video has done it's job.

[@GreyPunkWolf]

@@DreadKyller At the end of the day it's just theorycrafting based on a fiction, so yeah. You could even make theories about Dumbledore being the reincarnation of anakin skywalker that used a tardis to reach cthullu's universe, then went through a wormhole and reincarnated as a phenix. Anything goes. Just have fun.

[@Ranger1812]

That isn't foreshadowing...

[@RainTheHateINC]

Skimmed right past the fact that they didn't have to do anything to beat he troll chamber, eluding to the fact that Umbridge didn't allow them to do magic in her class. Also possibly that they fought the troll outside of it's intended place, which could be a metaphor for Dumbledore's Army.

[@miriamrosemary9110]

Ooh, good points

[@jessicasnow9007]

To me the troll already being dead is similar to how Harry is lured to the Department of Mysteries only to find out Sirius isn’t actually there.

[@12baumarobi]

@@jessicasnow9007 aww, that got me in the feels, girl :/

[@murdermeharry8703]

Wow I didn't even think about this!

[@JustChllin]

For the last room, a mirror is where you look at yourself, and its like harry realizing that he is the last horcrux.

[@evelynrowenadawn]

There's something else for the Potion's riddle, which I saw online. All of the potions correspond with a Defence teacher. There are three poisons, which represent Quirell, Crouch and Carrow. They are all killers, jsut like poison. The two nettle wines are Lockhart and Umbridge. Neither the wine nor the teachers are helpful, but neither are deadly, either. Lupin represents the potion that takes you back. He was friends with Harry's dad, and helped Harry learn about the past. Finally, the potion that moves you forwards represents Snape. His memories were the cause of Harry sacrificing himself, which drove the Battle at Hogwarts forwards, and helped the light win, the same way the potion helped Harry win. Now, I will add a bit of my own connections to this forshadowing. Hermione obviously trusted the forwards and backwards potion. In the books, Hermione trusted Lupin in spite of him being a werewolf. Later in the book series, she also trusted Snape in spite of Harry and Ron's negative propoganda. Even with so many potions, the real obstacle was always the riddle itself. Just like how through all the problems Harry faced, the real problem was always Riddle. Yep. That's it. :)

[@unstablespinach]

omg i love this

[@TheWiseRaven01]

Wow, you're right! That fits perfectly!

[@davidspring4003]

Umbridge is more harmful that Carrow, fight me.

[@evelynrowenadawn]

@@davidspring4003 Umbridge is horrible, but she never actaully tried to kill anyone. She was toxic, like wine is intoxicating, yet she was not deadly as poison.

[@davidspring4003]

@@evelynrowenadawn she tortured people for speaking a view (which was the truth) different from her own and could produce a fully fledged patronus in a room full of dementors while wearing a Horcrux because she was allowed to torment muggleborn/halfblood wizards while claiming a blood supremacy she didn't have AND tried to justify the use of an Unforgivable Curse ON ONE OF HER STUDENTS. We don't see Carrow do anything and are told what he does...most of which is punish people who don't do his course work. I'm not saying he DIDN'T kill anyone (he's a Death Eater, he probably did), but what we hear that he did is still less bad than even one of Umbridge's less terrible actions

[@user-fu1gq9kg3s]

The fact that the entrance is on the 3rd floor is genius. Because who would ever think "secret basement entrance must be on the 3rd floor, let's start our search there!"

[@alexanderzack3720]

considering there are so many shortcuts in this castle that let you skip floors... also a secret entrance in the second floor that leads to a chamber that is located below the lake

[@joshuahietala5174]

Well, everyone if you announce that that place is forbidden

[@shreyasjape1912]

Also in the Mirror room in the Philosopher's stone, Harry defeats Voldemort by his mother's blood protection. Voldy couldn't touch him that day. And yet again in Deathly Hallows, Dumbledore tells Harry at the mind's King's Cross that Voldemort taking his blood kept the Protection alive.

[@DreadKyller]

And Harry sees his parents in the mirror earlier in the Philosophers Stone, and he sees his parents again when he uses the resurrection stone in Deathly Hallows. Also Harry sees Aberforth through a mirror. Also another parallel to the protection was that Harry's intended sacrifice in the forest casted the same type of protection on those at Hogwarts.

[@daniellemusella1594]

When I first saw "Goblet of Fire", I remember thinking that the cemetery statues looked a great deal like the chess pieces in "Philosopher's Stone". I count that as yet another example of foreshadowing. (8/7/2021)

[@hermione_at_hogwarts]

They also thought that the chess pieces+ board looked like a graveyard.... They said it themselves, i think Harry did

[@Arules54]

Wait is the day first or the month

[@florianricquart4114]

There's two details I want to add to that theory : The Key room : As you said, the solution is the silver winged key, which is a grey flying creature. In Prisoner, Harry rescues Sirius thanks to Buckbeak, a grey flying creature. The Mirror of Erised : The Mirror shows you your deepest desire, and at one point, Dumbledore's deepest desire was the Deathly Hallows

[@latortugapicante719]

I like the thought but there is absolutely no way the keys symbolize buck beak that is really grabbing at straws

[@MANGLORIOUS]

@@latortugapicante719 yeah I agree, plus it’s said the key had blue wings. But tbh I wouldn’t put anything past Rowling

[@kel2678]

I think it's all about trying to get through the door and that mirrors quite nicely with the dreams of the door in the ministry

[@Alexander_Jaelan_Cummings]

I also thought that looking up at the keys almost exactly resembles looking up at the dementors

[@CrazyQuilman157]

Also, along the lines of the Mirror of Erised...what Harry desires most is to see his family, who he never truly knew. In Deathly Hallows, the thing that gives him the courage he needs to face death with all his dignity? Being surrounded by his family, the ones who he got to know and lost along the way. And I dare anyone to try and seriously tell me Sirius and Lupin weren't family to either Harry or even James.

[@thewolfgamer6075]

Can I ask how Fred and George weren’t at least tempted to try and go through the locked door that everyone was told they couldn’t go through. Especially as it’s filch that is seen patrolling the area

[@jolynnjones8624]

SAME!!!!! I would have thought better of the twins

[@marksebree5218]

@@jolynnjones8624 : Who says that they didn't? They may not have been able to figure out how to get past Fluffy. Harry, Ron, and Hermione had the hint from Hagrid. Fred and George did not.

[@TheHappyPotatoe]

@@marksebree5218 plus they were in to braking rules but the moment they saw a three headed dog and would never go back not giving a thought to what it's potentially guarding

[@Lokear]

Also, the last parallel is that there is another mirror important to the plot of the Deathly Hallows, one that has a tie to a Dumbledore... *cough cough rip Dobby cough*

[@stephaniebachman397]

I think during the Wizards chess portion, Ron being injured and falling back while Harry proceeds on his own, encouraged by Hermione's faith in him, isn't foreshadowing Cedric's death in the Goblet of Fire, but instead foreshadows Ron's anger toward Harry over thinking he put his name in the goblet. He falls back, and for a large portion of the book, though he has Hermione's encouragement, Harry must be brave and proceed without his best friend.

[@rachelzahava8292]

Book 4 is also where Harry and Ron’s friendship was tested the most when the stopped speaking and then Harry saved Ron in the lake, and the chess game is where Harry almost looses Ron first, it’s how Dumbledore knows Ron will always want to come back

[@sternentigerkatze]

One could also see Wormtail as a chess piece of Voldemort's, Bertha Jorkins being a pawn for them. The different schools' plans and Voldemort's plan as different chess strategies.

[@bradleyroswurm2706]

Book 7 it’s tested as well

[@sofiyasharova6072]

Another chess connection: The plan to win is often intricate with many parts and many pieces, and Voldemort’s plan was also very intricate and had many parts and pieces on the board , but in the end , the intricate plan still falls based of one tiny details, even though Voldemort was very powerful, his simple enemy still thought of a way he didn’t see, which can happen in chess, and isn’t that rare

[@archelynwolf]

and that plan involved a sacrifice of the hero, as in chess sacrifices are not common but usually take a brilliant mind

[@lisaandothers]

I also find it very interesting that in PS Ron outsmarted McGonagall's chess with his strategic thinking and in DH he outsmarted the entrance to the chamber of secrets, by imitating a language he did not speak (parseltongue)

[@ActiveAdvocate1]

One comparison you missed is that Harry compares the chess pieces to tombstones before he can see the properly. I don't know if that's movie-only, though: I can't remember that part in the book accurately.

[@Liam_Daly]

It's in the book "for a second Harry thought he had walked into a grave yard; dark statues crowded the room"

[@nebelparder9]

Until reading this, I was like "yeah ok, there are some parallels. It's cool, but could just be biased interpretation." Actually, trying to figure out the riddle before watching the video completely and messing up the order of the tasks, I also saw other connections. But with this extremely fitting parallel, I have a goose bumps and think "that theory is so legit!"

[@Nancydrew301]

There is also another thing about the mirror of erised. It had the philosopher's stone in it, which can extend your life, basically cheating death. However, after a while, it's clear that the longer you stay alive, the more you're a shell of yourself. Nicholas Flamel is definitely an example of that. He was only in his 600s and yet was so frail physically that you couldn't touch him without nearly breaking him. He just looked like death in the fantastic beasts movies and was ready for death (no longer cared about making an elixir from the philosopher's stone). In the seventh book, you have the resurrection stone, hidden inside of a GOLDEN snitch, which is also a way to cheat death. However, the people who come back with that are also just shells of their former selves.

[@MontgomeryWenis]

Gravity pulls at 9.8m/s². That squared is really important. It changes it from pulling at a steady speed (9.8m/s) to actually accelerating 9.8m/s every second.

[@EthanMallonee]

[they forgot the physics budget]

[@codyfuller3766]

That is capped at terminal velocity though which is about 120mph

[@MontgomeryWenis]

@@codyfuller3766 Yep, I'm aware. But it takes several more seconds than the Golden Trio fell.

[@TheRavenCoder]

I think it was a slip of the tongue, they got the time right (just over 4 seconds). Also, terminal velocity would not matter in this situation. It typically takes 5-10 seconds to reach terminal velocity in skydiver position. Could take even longer in other orientations.

[@codyfuller3766]

@@MontgomeryWenis I am well aware which is why the math in the video seems right Edit: I see you edited the original comment which makes my comments out of place now

[@sebastianplodek2100]

Here a other connection between the mirror and the deathly hallows: in both of them, Snape is revealed to not be the bad guy.

[@kuna3627]

Theory: Devil Snare was meant to be Neville's obstacle, because Dumbledore thought that he will come with them. Harry - keys (quidditch) Ron - chess Hermione - potions riddle

[@jahvedcole]

Was Neville proficient in Herbology during their first year? I don't really remember if that was mentioned in the first book. I know that he is pushed towards it and showed an aptitude for Herbology by their fourth year, but I'm not sure if he would've been that good at Herbology that early on.

[@vanguardplays3418]

if that's true then who was the troll for, Ron again?

[@toschiworlds7212]

@@vanguardplays3418 Maybe all of them combined?

[@DarthAxolotl]

Wasn't there a couple of rooms that voldemort had already gone through

[@vanguardplays3418]

@@DarthAxolotl yeah he went through all of them before the golden trio did.

[@felicityanne979]

The troll is also the room where they don't have to do anything practical because of the current DADA prof. and ootp is the year they don't actually study DADA practically because of the DADA prof. The DH room is also when harry finds out snape was trying to save him and another parrallel is that harry finally comes face to face with voldemort. Its also the room that has a significantly powerful object that many people have "wasted away not knowing if what they have seen is real or even possible" this could represent the hunt for the hallows. The philosopher stone could also be foreshadowing the resurrection stone, both were previously in the possesion of dumbledore before harry.

[@jeffdavis8590]

You didn't mention that the wings of the keys can be seem as a nod to Buckbeak/Witherwing, given the fact Sirius escaped on him, the winged silver key can be seen as foreshadowing his escape.

[@nataliabaszczyk2387]

I Love that idea!

[@delusionaldreamer8332]

Witherwing?

[@katherinkeegan8601]

@@delusionaldreamer8332 The name Hargrid gives Buckbeck so the ministry would think he was a different animal.

[@L0v3dNL0st]

Also there's the fact that the key has been caught once before and treated incredibly poorly

[@jeffdavis8590]

@@delusionaldreamer8332 They renamed Buckbeak when he went back to Hogwarts.

[@legoman2313]

It’s crazy how we are still talking about the books and movies still with new theories and new information. So timeless

[@biggameboy]

One more thing for the Devil's Snare plant is the fact the womping willow that Ron and Harry crash into when arriving in the flying car at Hogwarts

[@jaredbennett7677]

ooh nice!

[@exozfy]

Bumping into a plant that initially saves you and then tries to murder you, quite a theme. Also both of them hide a secret passage

[@highdefinition450]

Hmm

[@pegas1ster]

I just noticed something today in my listen through of the first book (Jim Dale audiobooks) that the nightmare Harry has in his first year after the first feast (end of Chapter 7) is really important too. He dreams that professor Quirrel’s turban is talking to him, saying his destiny is to be in Slytherin. When he protests it squeezes at him. Malloy laughs at him, and turns into Snape, then he sees the flash of green light. It’s interesting that Voldemort has access enough to Harry’s mind to present himself as his half form, even that early on. The connection between Draco and Snape is foreshadowed, even the fact that they both end up being similarly redeemed evil people.

[@korg47237]

It could be the "third floor" of Hogwarts but that part of the castle is more uphill so there isn't a second or first floor below it, just the ground.

[@devanduckworth5709]

That's not usually how buildings work

[@notevanyoung]

I assumed it was just the same spell used on the tent in goblet and Hermione‘s bag

[@astaldogal]

@@devanduckworth5709 they do in mountainous areas

[@devanduckworth5709]

@@astaldogal I live in mountains and I'm not saying that.

[@devanduckworth5709]

@@astaldogal to be fair though there are not many castles in Tennessee

[@michaelkelleypoetry]

Rowling actually did say that she had to re-write the first chapter of Book 1 over and over because it kept giving away everything in the whole series. Therefore, it makes sense that she would have found a way to incorporate hints of the rest of the series within the first book.

[@SuperDora150]

I love how poetic it is. Especially mirror and Deathly Hallows. Also Dumbledore said that Harry was worthy to unite the Hallows because he did not want this - just like the mirror and Philosophers Stone! 😀

[@jacobmorejead8122]

To the point about the key room, book 3 is the only book where we have full descriptions of all of harry's quidditch matches, get updates on how the other teams are doing in their matches, and its the book where they finally win the quidditch cup!!! Over all it feels like the book where quidditch is most important!!!

[@brickbot2.038]

I think it was meant to be really light forshadowing (Like each task sort of reminds you of something important in each book), not quite as deep as you took it. But yeah, it totally all adds up. Fluffy = Hagrid Devil's Snare = Snakes Flying Keys = Quidditch (Harry's third year is the first time he wins the quidditch cup) Chess = Games/sports Troll = (This one is up to interpretation, could represent Umbridge, or schoolwork) Potions Test = Snape Mirror = Dumbledore (It's interesting how he plays an even more important role after he dies)

[@capysarah]

Regarding Flitwick's obstacle: flying keys might also symbolize Sirius and Buckbeak flying to escape

[@alexanderzack3720]

i think that stretches it a bit far... i always saw it in reverse: harry was the youngest seeker and one of the challanges was catching a fast-moving, flying trinket that is trying to get away. the challanges in general seem somewhat tailor made for the trio

[@lmungillo]

Also, for the potions riddle, it’s just Harry and Hermione. And in Slighorns slug club it’s just Harry and Hermione

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Pretty Weak Arguments. Mattpat? Is that you?! Seriously, 'Silver Keys like the Colour of Patronus'?? Wow.

[@DreadKyller]

@@loturzelrestaurant Ah, I see you're also just copy-pasting your comment, further confirming that indeed you do not possess the concept of creativity.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@DreadKyller Wow. You really have this 'embarassing yourself by talking-down to strangers and just strangers' nailed down, yeah?

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@DreadKyller You DO NOT realize how embarassing it is to see someone talk down to utter strangers online. Do you?

[@rosyellis14]

@@loturzelrestaurant …you do realize that that is exactly what you are doing…right?

[@khodexus4963]

The exact imagery and parallels might not have been intended from the beginning, but J.K. Rowling was absolutely aware of the story structure and no doubt built the seven books and the seven trials around the same framework.

[@sylvy16]

Also for the winged keys, sirius was the potters secret keeper(keyper more like), and the key to the potters(peter) had fallen into voldemorts hands in 1991 and again in PoA.

[@TheRavenCoder]

I think this is a far better point than any of the points J made. I thought he was kinda reaching for that one, but yours is a much more satisfying interpretation.

[@courtneylowe7086]

Peter was the key to both the potters and to Voldemort’s return…I agree, a very satisfying interpretation!

[@AlphaOmega08922]

Actually, Peter Pettigrew was the Potters' secret keeper. That simple fact is pretty much the entire reason that the series even happened at all. If James and Lily had made Sirius their secret keeper, then Voldemort never would have found and killed them, because Sirius would have died rather than give up his friends' location. I mean, it doesn't discredit the analogy here, as Pettigrew is still a significant character in PoA, and thus making a strong analogy between Flitwick's obstacle and the third book. Pettigrew was the "key" to reaching the Potters, and he first appears in the third book, while the third obstacle is Flitwick's flying keys. Still a good analogy, Sirius just isn't a part of that particular aspect. The broom Harry has to ride to catch the proper key would likely be a more appropriate analogy to Sirius, as the third book is when Harry loses his Nimbus 2000, and gets his Firebolt from Sirius in the end.

[@pancakesarebetterthanwaffl3093]

@@AlphaOmega08922 Sirius was their first secret keeper, before they changed it to Peter. Remus even says in PoA something along the lines of "unless you switched them and never told me" alluding to how the two switches roles. Both technically were secret keepers to the Potters, it's just that Peter overall had a far more significant plotline with the role since he is responsible for the Potters' death.

[@kathj797]

Doylesian explanation: Rowling loves symmetry (The final battle also reflects the events of the entire series). Holmesian explanation: Dumbledore is a seer and planned it all deliberately to prepare the trio for the next seven years.

[@ovni2295]

Also also actually actually, you missed the biggest foreshadowing in the entire first book! After the trio first learn of the three-headed dog, Hermoine famously says "Now, if you two don't mind, I'm going to bed before either of you come up with another clever idea to get us all killed, or worse, expelled." What spell does Harry use to beat the Killing Curse time and time again? *Expelliarmus*

[@jennifercampbell2512]

This!

[@talibhussain5357]

😁👍✨

[@riluna3695]

YOU DID NOT. Oh my lord that's spectacular.

[@Kaiserin]

That’s complete coincidence sorry buddy

[@riluna3695]

@@Kaiserin Always possible with theories like these. Pretty likely with this one. But it's fascinating to think it may have been intentional, and it's still fun to consider even if it never was. Either way, it gives me the happies.

[@geostorm7212]

I was really confused about the troll connection until he mentioned Umbridge. Brilliant 😆

[@libbyann78]

The fall could also represent the "slide" down into the chamber.

[@Kraechtshammer]

This video reminds me of those conspiracy theory videos where they see the most random things in anything, then say "ah yes here you see the number 3 which confirms that teapots are in fact the illuminati". Point is, you can make anything predict anything if you just find the right details.

[@Av-te7ze]

It’s just nitpicking, take these few small details about something and, AHA it means this. But there’s plenty of things that just mean nothing or “mean” things that wouldn’t point to that specific book. When it comes to Jk I never immediately go “she planned all this all along”

[@jamesverone1244]

@@Av-te7ze yeah she never planned ahead I guarantee she saw theories and said "that's a good idea or I like that"

[@agentwaffle1944]

Ok, imagine Voldy playing chess with Harry. And then having a heated argument about the rules.

[@DapperDan-zx9fu]

White gos first voldy No black does it's so much cooler We've went over this five times just accept it NO!!!! AVADA KEDAVRA

[@Beeper_Bee]

Imagine how much of a sore loser Voldemort would be

[@mattschiesl3131]

Ah Potter I see you have used the Scillian Defense, I have forseen this and...Wait no. I didn't touch that piece! It didn't count, i didn't move it! No I did not, that doesn't count!

[@jaredbennett7677]

🤣🤣🤣

[@highdefinition450]

Why

[@aluminum134]

You could also add that falling all the way down into the devil's snare was alluding to both where the chamber of secrets was situated (under the castle) and how the characters entered it (falling down the chute in the lavatory)

[@gsagabaen]

Witches and Wizards seem to be resilient to skull fractures. They fall to great heights but the worst injury they can get is a broken arm. Remember when Newt gave Jacob the helmet at chest plate before they approached the Erumpent? Jacob asked why he needed to wear a helmet, and Newt simply answered, "Because your skull is susceptible to breakage under immense force." And yeah, Newt clearly told Jacob beforehand that their physiologies are different because Jacob's a muggle. When Nivelle Longbottom was young (and still figuring out if he is a wizard), he fell off a window and survived, much to his aunt and uncle's delight because it means he's not a squib. So Harry, Ron, and Hermoine falling from such a great height will not really hurt them that much. But I wonder if a muggle fell from that height, will he or she survive the fall? So that's a theory that I want to hear. How different are the physiologies between Muggles and Wizards?

[@michaelwicks1088]

interesting theory, I hate to be that person, but Neville fell not that far when his broomstick played up in Philosophers Stone and he broke his wrist. But I still agree with your idea. Maybe even his injury was consistent of that of a Witch/Wizard and a Muggle would have been worse off??

[@gsagabaen]

@@michaelwicks1088 Harry also fell off his broom from a quidditch game and broke his arm. But that's all he sustained from it.

[@christina3537]

Hey maybe wizards and witches’ magic give them sort of a protection to their bones unknowingly

[@michaelwicks1088]

@@gsagabaen yeah that's what I mean, probably have "stronger" bodies / physiology than muggles. Also weird how Newt Scamander gives protection to Jacob and implies that the beast would crush him. Like how wouldn't it not crush Newt? somehow I doubt he wouldn't be crushed by the beast (I forget its name)

[@Wladeex123]

@@michaelwicks1088 To be honest, I think it's less of a biological difference and more their subconscious self performing simple wandless magic. We see stuff happening that's a result of a non-verbal magic with no wand required. Harry's hair regrowing at a great rate after being cut by his aunt, Tom Riddle being able to use magic before even meeting Dumbledore, or the surrey zoo glass window disappearing when Harry was angry. I'd argue that if things like these can happen - why wouldn't be there a layer of protection when being subjected to the obvious threat of injury and while being concentrated to avoid it (and we know that there are spells that can, for example, slow/stop someone's fall/movement)?

[@kel2678]

I would also add that the challenge with the keys is about getting through a door, kind of like the dreams about the door in the ministry, or has links to the veil. And the mirror at the end reminds me alot of the resurrection stone, when he first finds the mirror, it mirrors nicely with seeing his dead love ones at the end

[@m1tthrawnuru0d06]

For the troll room, the troll was defeated by someone else. Just like Dumbledore and the Phoenix lot defeated Voldemort and his death eaters at the ministry.

[@MrRandom69420]

The last obstacle: you missed this similarity ….. this is Dumbledore‘s obstacle and we learn about Dumbledore in deathly hallows

[@knitcrochettiger361]

the Mirror of Erised could also represent that Harry looked into the piece of mirror he got from Sirius to ask Aberforth "DUMBLEDORE" for help....the Mirror of Erised was Albus "DUMBLEDORE's" obstacle....and Albus (A DUmbledore) said, "Help will always be given to those at Hogwarts who ask for it." later amended to "Help will always be given to those at Hogwarts who deserve it."...in Philosopher's stone, Harry looked into Albus "Dumbledore's" mirror for help to fight Quirrell and got it....in Deathly Hallows, Harry looked into Aberforth "Dumbledore's" mirror for help to escape Malfoy Manor and got it

[@anneclough7064]

Also we know that earlier in the book Harry had seen his family with him, reflected in the mirror. In the Epilogue of the seventh book we see that Harry now has his own family with him fulfilling that desire he had back when he was a child.

[@livvyginnygrey4001]

Ha I liked this just because of the number of times you said Dumbledore

[@cometmoon4485]

I think another connection between the potions and Half- Blood Prince is how at the end of the room, Hermione is left behind, leaving Harry to go on by himself. Hermione, the genius, the one with all the answers, the one who guided Harry throughout their investigation, is suddenly taken away from Harry, who has to face Voldemort without her. Just like how Dumbledore is suddenly taken away at the end of Half-Blood Prince.

[@carlrood4457]

Wouldn't you just love to see the list of creatures Hagrid is allowed to keep at the school?

[@dylanstankewicz850]

I like the part on the book where the centaurs say something like Harry Potter is gonna die on the Forrest and "dies" in the Forrest 7 years later

[@carternorton2682]

Harry Potter is such a well crafted story it’s honestly a great reminder to plan out things so you can plant super subtle foreshadowing that’s not discovered until years later and also deliver the most satisfying payoffs (also a really off topic side note but I would love to see you guys cover the Dune series)

[@theGrabix]

4:48 - Best chairs, i can hear the advertisement: On our chairs, you will be totally relaxed... OR ELSE!

[@rowan3355]

So.. Voldy wanted to split his soul into seven. He wanted to do this because he believed the number was especially magical/powerful. But do we ever find out if it actually affects anything? Like, this LITERALLY sets up the whole plot!

[@blakechow8294]

7th like

[@blankflank3488]

I looked it up, and there's actually an article on the Harry Potter wiki about the significance of the number seven. there's a LOT, most just tiny details like the number of letters in a name, but the sheer number of times the number 7 is used is pretty crazy.

[@talathien8771]

@@blankflank3488 7 is the number of perfection, which is why Voldy thought it was the most powerfully magical number.

[@Irdesce]

So voldy got his "perfect" 7 part soul right after trying to kill toddler harry when he died the first time and the entire time he has a 7 part soul is when he is at his absolute weakest because when he become babymort one of the first things he does is make that 7 horcrux when for a 7 part soul he wanted 6.

[@rowan3355]

@Colin McCrory i had a thought - you know how the soul gets more unstable the more split up it is? well maybe the 7 parts _multiplied_ the weakness and that’s why his soul was so unstable during the time he had 7

[@samuelsunshine22]

You could also say in the potion room that Hermione is trying to figure out a riddle. Just like Harry and dumbledore do in HBP. Figure out a riddle

[@JuanOosthuizen]

Remember the spell Fred and George gave Ron to turn scabbers Yellow? What if the the reason it didn't work wasn't because they were messing with him but because he wasn't an actual rat and was foreshadowing for him being an Animagus

[@shreberry5164]

ya...... judging by Seamus I was expecting the wand to do something funky. In the movie, a golden flash appears, but in the book nothing happens. This would explain it.

[@marjonsimmelink6558]

Another fun connection between the fifth book and the troll room is that opposite the Room of Requirement hangs the tapestry of Barnabas the Barmy getting beaten by trolls because he's trying to teach them ballet.

[@LightsOnTrees]

It really wouldn't surprise me if JK had a loose outline, for example that each book focused around one subject, charma, transfiguration etc. I think it could have a grain of truth in it. Remember as well that she studied myth and folklore at university, this kind of foreshadowing happens all the time in classic myth.

[@lisaandothers]

We definitely see spells taught in everyday classes that we don't suspect how important they will later come to be, like wingardium leviosa (troll incident) and accio (dragon task in the triwizard tournament). Not to mention the bezoar, which is mentioned in the first class of potions and it plays a key role in HBP

[@ajmt13]

3:58 a trap door TWO METERS ACROSS??? I can’t imagine a trap door that large…

[@zarthimusprime]

Real Life Rowling: Dang, this theory is good. I just picked random things. Social Media Rowling: It’s about time somebody discovered my cleverly layered plans.

[@FantasticBeasts2024]

To be fair. She did plan the entire seven books in advance. She calls it one large story which she wrote into 7 parts for our convenience.

[@sand747]

Rowling: Women who are infertile are men.

[@sapphireseptember]

@@sand747 When did she say that?

[@sand747]

@@sapphireseptember twitter

[@sapphireseptember]

@@sand747 I've seen her Twitter, where does she say women who are infertile are men?

[@Shadowlina]

Another interesting point in Harry and Voldemort being inverse mirrors of each other is that Harry has green eyes and shoots out a red spell, the Disarming Charm, while Voldemort had red eyes and shot out the green spell of the Killing Curse. Also, was it the same as in /The Goblet of Fire/ in which their two colliding spells turned gold in the middle? There's the gold created by the Philosopher's Stone, if so. :)

[@stephenadams8712]

Why did Barty Crouch Jr quit drinking? It was making him Moody

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

Is it bad if I genuinely liked this?

[@shreberry5164]

Such a classic but SO good.

[@shreberry5164]

@@thedragonwarrior5861 Nope

[@sashajohnson958]

Uh… wait what!?! The troll was one of the challenges. I don’t freaking remember that. I thought it was just for a distraction on Halloween.

[@isheanesunigelmisi8400]

Calculating how far and fast they fell is so MatPat I thought you'd make a corny pun and say, "REMEMBER, that's just a theory, a FILM theory aaaaaaaaaaaandddddd CUT"

[@coolgreenbug7551]

or pull an Austin and start ranting about acceleration while classical music plays in the background

[@zebjensen4251]

a but theory. and the end!

[@highdefinition450]

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[@coolgreenbug7551]

@@highdefinition450 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqTQg56eerSparM

[@rubygracemoseley8144]

Never in my life would I think about this theory but it fits SO WELL! Oh my gosh! And also in Philosopher’s Stone Harry sees his parents and then in Deathly Hallows Harry sees all his parental figures (including his actual parents) once he has the stone

[@ragheborfali3432]

There's also the fact that Harry sees his loved ones in the mirror of Erised and Harry sees his loved ones in the 7th book.

[@srayj]

I am so glad you guys paid the math budget because I have been trying to figure out that distance for a very, very long time and I definitely don’t have the math skills to do that.

[@missyllaineous]

I think it says a lot about the author and what kind of writer she is, that there's definitely a pattern here, and even more repeated trends than was pointed out in the video. It's a very good series.

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

I think Voldemort knows enough magic to eventually break Dumbledoor's Philosopher's stone defence spell

[@pyjamacritic1171]

So what happened to Fluffy after Philosopher's stone? Maybe Hagrid found somewhere for him in the forest? Or does he live behind Hagrid's hut and go on walks with Fang?

[@jaredbennett7677]

id love to hear if this is explored anywhere :)

[@thomascabrera3141]

I think that all of these references and foreshadowing are a lot more symbolic than physical is the book. For example, in the Deathly Hallows, Harry spends a lot of time questioning himself, and the mirror could stand to show his self reflection. I also think that the Devils Snare could show the grimness of the Chamber of Secrets. During that book, nobody knows who to trust, everyone is second guessing and becoming suspicious of others. Its kind of like what Luna said in the Phoenix movie: Voldemort is trying to split everyone apart because they are less of a threat alone. The vines of the grim period are splitting them apart, capturing them in the time, making them vulnerable. Anyway, just some thoughts from someone who has read the series too many times.

[@armadillounothousandbasu1189]

Something you missed in order of the Phoenix is that toncs keeps tripping over the troll leg

[@sarah4hp]

This was actually a surprisingly good and well-fitting theory regardless of whether or not it was intended to be foreshadowing. Really interesting break-down of all the obstacles as well. Not that I would expect anything less from this channel!

[@kenhammscousin4716]

Did quirrel go try the obstacles before the night when he actually met Harry at the mirror? Like did he go through all the obstacles and come back, figure out how to get through them, then return and try the remaining ones? Or did he do it all in one go after he learned fluffys weakness

[@jettqk1]

I think he was waiting for Dumbledore to leave the castle before trying to get past Fluffy. So he would have had to wait until that night.

[@MrTybrown1983]

Jay you missed Hagrid's biggest contribution to the plot... he was the one that made Harry not want to be a Slytherin and told him it was the house Voldemort was in, therefore ensuring Harry would ask the sorting hat to not be in Slytherin which was the house the hat originally wanted to put him in. Had Harry been a Slytherin the entire story would have when very different and being that Ron and Hermione were sorted into Gryffindor first.

[@Sigma-xb6kn]

The key they have to look out for in the third room had its wing broken by an agent of voldemort, symbolizing how Sirius lost his freedom through the actions of Peter.

[@latortugapicante719]

Wouldn’t it make more sense that the key is Peter and he has a lost finger

[@AlphaOmega08922]

@@latortugapicante719 basically this, yes

[@Schaller6]

BTW, Jay, I noticed that the flying key obstacle could also signify how, in the third book, Harry keeps on being offered false explanations (read: false keys) for the Sirius Black situation, but he still manages to find the truth in the end.

[@ovni2295]

you missed that in the chess challenge, Ron gets separated from the rest, and in the Goblet of Fire, what happens? He gets jealous and stops hanging out with Harry.

[@thedragonwarrior5861]

And again in Deathly Hallows

[@nollalle1523]

In book 1 hagrid giving Harry the flute to battle fluffy can elude to hagrid taking hagrid to diagon alley to purchase his wand, a tool he would use to battle Voldemort. Going through the fire alone show the final battle would end in a 1on1.

[@kimbit47]

Okay, when I first clicked on this I thought J was going to say each room represents one of the Horcuxes not books. Fluffy = Diary, Devil's Snare = Locket, Keys = Ring, Chess = Diadem, Troll = Nagini, Mirror = Harry But that is so not where he took this lol. Really liked it though!

[@ruthdeckman9781]

Oh, that's interesting! I kind of like your theory a bit better.

[@yoda2495]

@@ruthdeckman9781 though needs further explanation this thepry does

[@ruthdeckman9781]

@@yoda2495 how has my favorite Jedi master been lately? Good, I hope! 😃

[@xsah2]

How would chess = diadem and fluffy = diary though

[@kimbit47]

@@xsah2 chess for intellect which is part of the powers that are give too those that where the crown and fluffy and diary as the are "common" and somewhat unassuming.

[@amcalycat93]

I really thought you were going to make a joke that the three headed dog foreshadows that a dog shows up in book three. It's perfect! Thanks so much for the video, I adored every single comparison!

[@fimpy1143]

Kevin Feige: Avengers Endgame is the most ambitious crossover ever. Mike, J and Ben: Hold our Butterbeer (Or Firewhiskey if you prefer)

[@exozfy]

I'm looking forward to the podcast episode!

[@mailyak442]

YES OH MY GOD IM UNBELIEVABLY EXCITED HAHA 😅 I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW IF THEY KNEW OF EACH OTHER’S EXISTENCE!!

[@caiyav8791]

Another note about the Chess Room is that the chess room is when Ron separates from Harry and Hermione. In Goblet of Fire Ron is upset with Harry for a good portion of the book and they aren’t speaking

[@FruityCobblestone]

Hey brother! Y’all brighten my day every Tuesday and Thursday!

[@solidsnaker1992]

A room full of flying keys that seemingly try to impale people that grab that master key seems a tad fatal

[@carlrood4457]

Lockhart was A bad guy, but not THE bad guy. His bad guy-ness was unrelated to the main plot.

[@TheRavenCoder]

Yep, it's Pretty Obvious.

[@ItBePatYo]

While he was a bad guy, I'd say he's less of a bad guy and more of an idiot. If that makes any sense.

[@carlrood4457]

@@ItBePatYo Remember, he regularly lobotomized wizards to take credit for their actions and was willing to do it to two children. That's a bad guy.

[@ItBePatYo]

@@carlrood4457 I thought he just performed a curse of some sort on them. I may be wrong, but that's what I thought happened.

[@starlight0313]

@@ItBePatYo obliviate

[@charonarp3622]

"Does anyone else enter their basement from the third floor of their house?" Well, in Curse of Strahd, you enter the basement from the attic :)

[@almudd]

"I guess Snape wasn't technically a bad guy.... NOT A GREAT GUY THOUGH!" 😂🤣 ❤️🙌

[@angra7]

👆🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@dsly4425]

Haven’t watched the whole video yet, but actually at the Greenbriar Resort in West Virginia the secret entrance to the underground nuclear bunker was actually accessed from the second floor. It was done that way on purpose because people expected it to be underground. In reality it was built into the side of the mountain. This is actually readily verifiable now and I was actually there about 8 years ago. It was quite an experience.

[@FlynnTheRedhead]

0:07 but what if I have none?

[@奇妙-y2y]

The troll and 5th book comparison was soo seen coming, that I was pretty sure that troll = Umbridge.

[@glebjohnson9057]

Also GoF is the most complicated in terms of characters and solving the game until the very end when the last move is made. It is the book with the most mystery in it with several grey characters that could be the bad guy to end the game. Ludo Bagman, Barty Crouch Sr., Barty Crouch Jr., Karkaroff, Snape, and so on. Like a game of chess with many figures.

[@dragoknight589]

“White goes first in chess and that’s what happened” Voldemort, the palest man alive: Am I a joke to you?

[@samanthamarsden8772]

You know what else predicted everything? The Chamber of secrets. Making matches since 2002 If you don’t understand basically Ginny and Harry were down there together, and so were Ron and hermione, and both of them ending up getting married

[@jugaadsingh5601]

The 300 foot drop before the snare represents dobby warning of not to come to school and Harry falls because of a bludger in the book.

[@Brigadier88]

6:48 technically Dobby didn't drop the pudding on Mrs. Mason's head, he just dropped it from the top of the fridge onto the floor, it then covered Harry, not Mrs. Mason, she ran out of the house when an owl came in to deliver the letter that Harry was in trouble.

[@jhardman1876]

I think each of the obstacles the Trio actually does could be less-dangerous versions of things that happen later, discounting the troll (cuz they don't actually fight it) and starting with Chamber of Secrets instead of Philosopher's Stone. - Fluffy: is a scary monster in a secret chamber, pretty clear connection to Chamber of Secrets - Devil's Snare: big constricting plant = big hitting plant (Whomping Willow, very important in Book 3), plus the plants are both helpful as well as hurtful and can be neutralized. Devil's snare: starts to constrict them but also protects them from the fall, easily bypassed with fire/calm presence (book/movie). Whomping Willow attacks those who come near it but protects Lupin by hiding the entrance to the Shrieking Shack, can be neutralized by pressing a specific part of the trunk - Keys: Goblet of Fire is a big year for flying, too. Quidditch is played on brooms, there is a huge Quidditch match to start the book. Harry uses flying to defeat the dragon, which leads him to the key to the next task (ie the egg). The big silver cup at the end: Voldemort's key to his rise to power - Chess set: OotP is a lot like a chess game. On one side, you have Chess Master Dumbledore using the teachers and Dumbledore's Army as his pieces. On the other side, the Ministry uses Umbridge, the news, other students as pawns against Dumbledore. Harry is treated like a chess piece a lot in this book, with Dumbledore or the Ministry pulling all the strings (almost gets expelled by the ministry, Dumbledore shows up at his trial. Dumbledore refuses to tell him everything, while the ministry tries to gaslight him about what he saw. They're fighting over him because he's a valuable piece, for very different reasons.) Then Half-blood Prince and Deathly Hallows are the same as what SCB said in the video.

[@DJKosloski324]

Short answer: Yes Long Answer: Yes, but I don't think it was Dumbledore's plan but instead it was J.K. Rowling's plan to put Easter eggs in the first book for the last 6 to give us, the reader, an insight into the plot of the series. AKA Dumbledore's plan.

[@speculativemusings3593]

To be fair, Dark Souls’ Basement Key opens a door at the top of a towering bridge, leading to a long ladder to the bottom layer of the city. So it’s not like Hogwarts is the only place with weird basement door locations.

[@alessandropezzoli9717]

Here's a new One for you. I don't know of it's really accurate, but Snape never seems to teach by the book, he always Just writes the potion on the blackboard. Could that be the real reason for Hermione doing poorly in HBP while Harry does well? Hermione doesn't have Snape's corrections anymore and so She looks limited. Harry however still has Snape's corrections, but Snape himself Is not there ti torment him and so he can actually focus and enjoy the class, getting better results

[@lisaandothers]

I've thought about it, too. She can definitely brew great potions by following book instructions (like the polyjuice potion), but it is possible that school manuals were more simplified, thus limiting the potential of the potions