Did Psychotic Illness Contribute to Mass Shooting in Maine? | Robert Card Case Analysis

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[@kylees6396]

Mental health in this country is really not taken seriously enough. My family and I begged a psychiatrist that had spoken with my father at a physical rehab facility to keep him as long as possible. She declared him completely normal after we told her he kept talking with us that he was hallucinating. Within 2 hours of being released from the facility he blew his brains out with a pistol. This happened 2 weeks ago. Rest in peace dad. I wish you could have gotten real help

[@KMarr07]

😢

[@thiscorrosion900]

I think the other issue is sheer incompetency in the field(s). There is a good deal of it, as well. I've had situations in general medical care, even psychiatry, etc., on a casual level, wherein I ditched the MD because, I felt they were stupid, incompetent, or just wackjobs! It happens, sadly. Of course the whole situation is multi-level, and very complex, otherwise.

[@Loriann4444]

Im so sorry. 😢

[@ChrisChoi123]

Wdym their not taking it seriously? Suicidal ppl can be really good at masking, most people don't even know they feel suicidal. If they mask convincingly enough then they can easily fool psychiatrists

[@Jasonmakesvideo]

Agreed ! I just watched EWU yesterday and the killer told his therapist multiple times he had homicidal urges and asked to be put in hospital with no results😢😢

[@CG-MP]

about the hearing aids: My sister works with deaf children and teaches them how to use technology to learn in the classroom. She told me that hearing aid implants do not give deaf people sound like we are used to. She played for me a video of what it actually sounds like. It was echoing and hissing and eerie AF. People who get them have to basically relearn sound and how to interpret everything. If he was born hearing and remembered normal sound, then lost his hearing and got implants later in life, it's no wonder to me that he thought he was hearing whispering and voices. Not that I think that caused his psychosis, but that it gave an outlet for it.

[@maryrankin9869]

Psychosis for sure. We must supervise people that have this kind of history and loss andmental health concerns. It is not a secret anymore. Look what happens.

[@Cec9e13]

Gave the psychosis something to work with, so to speak.

[@bunberrier]

Its a similar type of thing for most of "EVP". Audio pattern recognition misapplied to noise. Just like if you mis-hear song lyrics and it sounds like theyre saying something they arent.

[@jimbob9086]

“Psychotic insight” is the term for this.

[@statementleaver8095]

​@@chlorhex6785Radio,Aeroplane/Jets,Microwaves,Phone chargers,Plug in Animal control devices! It's like banging 2 Mobiles connected in call together untill High pitch Squeal is heard😢😢

[@fieldsofomagh]

My brother died 1 month ago. He had schizophrenia from the age of 25 to 73. He was troubled to the end. He was on huge medication. The danger point is when they feel "cured" on the medication and stop taking it. His demons were very real to him and experienced them up to a few hours before passing away. This is one very serious disease and needs constant supervision.

[@loriethayermorse162]

I am so sorry for your loss 🙏🏻 My brother was the same way. Didn't think he needed meds when he was feeling ok. I always told him, "It's not like a headache that you only take meds when you get one. You take your meds so you DON'T get one".

[@nealwilliams7743]

You have my condolences 🙏

[@jennifergraceh]

I am so deeply sorry for your loss. I hope that you and your family are finding strength and comfort in each other and know that he is finally at peace now. I’m sending positivity and healing your way 🩷 I understand psychosis on a very personal level and it is an incredibly terrifying experience that, unless you have personally witnessed firsthand or have seen a loved one go through, you just don’t understand the trauma that will inevitably arise from the years of hallucinations and delusions. My personal experience was with meth psychosis, however, at the time, I vehemently denied that it was the meth causing my hallucinations because I wasn’t ready to quit using and I genuinely believed I had schizophrenia as I also had all of the other symptoms that accompanied the diagnosis, as well as being the correct age of onset (around 29). My hallucinations started out gradually, but increased to where they became 24/7 from the moment I woke up to the second I fell asleep at night-there was never even a millisecond of peace for me. In my delusion, I was telepathically connected to a young woman who my boyfriend was cheating on me with. Initially, I thought she had hidden cameras set up throughout my house because, in my head, I could hear her and her friends mocking me and basically there was a running commentary of what I was doing all day long-none of which was positive. It was a lot of fat shaming, shaming me for being a drug addict, etc. Eventually, the delusion progressed to where she and one guy could read my mind and my thoughts. No thought was safe. It was awful. I had to filter everything I thought. Can you imagine having to filter your own mind? It’d be like having to filter what you say out loud, but in your mind… it was the absolute worst thing I have ever endured. Then, it got worse. The delusion progressed to where they had a friend come over-this time, it was a horribly judgmental guy who HATED meth addicts and he wanted to fuck with me. He made it his mission to make my life miserable. He was supposed to only stay for the day but ended up moving in because it was so fun torturing me. It got so bad, I wanted to unalive myself because it never stopped. I begged them and pleaded them to stop. I was on antipsychotics full strength. Nothing worked. They were the darkest days of my life. I tried checking myself into a mental hospital, told them I was hallucinating and suicidal. They told me I wasn’t crazy enough and turned me away!!!!!! Can you believe that!?!? I have never in my life felt so alone in this world. I couldn’t get an appt with a psychiatrist for 2 months. It was the worst. The one male voice (not the mean one) promised he would never bother me again if I stopped using meth. He kept his word when I eventually got clean! He said he was so proud of me when I flushed my stash and left for rehab. The girl who was usually a bitch to me said she missed talking to me. I had my voices until last summer. Then one day, I was talking to a friend (I had been clean for 2 years at this point) and she was like…maybe they aren’t hallucinations? Maybe it’s an alternate dimension? And, just like that, my voices acknowledged that as the truth, and said, “we can’t believe it took you that long to figure it out” and I never heard from any of them again. It was the weirdest ending. I have no explanation for why it ended the way it did. I just call it meth psychosis but I will acknowledge that there is so much about our existence that we don’t understand and leave it at that.

[@rosered6876]

I'm so sorry. My daughter has schizophrenia. She's also on heavy meds and stills has hallucinations. She's attempted suicide numerous times. It's a very cruel disease. My heart goes out to you and your family. ❤

[@mrs.mayle85]

If I may...two women died in this. Tricia Asselin and Lucille Violette. I live in Lewiston and thankfully didn't go through with our plans to bring our son to the bowling alley for his early birthday that night (he turned 6 on the 26th). Thanks for covering this event and doing it thoroughly and fairly. It was senseless and devastating and I can still feel the deep sadness lingering every time I drive by both locations.

[@bjkarana]

I was a senior at Virginia Tech during the mass shooting in 2007, and I feel what you and your community are going through. I hope the media frenzy quiets down so the community can start to process and begin the long recovery process. All the best to you and your loved ones. ❤‍🩹

[@TarmanTheChampion]

I just commented the same & just now noticed your comment.

[@Pooq45]

I live in Maine, have many coworkers and friends who live in the Lewiston/Auburn area. I know people who knew him. Many things failed in this situation. I grieve for the families of those who were killed, just trying to enjoy a night of bowling and grabbing a drink with friends. If his end game was to k*ll himself, why did he have to take 18 people with him. My heart hurts for my community

[@TheRunAndGun10]

Curious what the people that knew him had to say about him. I hear of as many talk about him being a easy going, pleasant, liked and respected by most. I also hear of people say that they thought him violent, weird and crazy.

[@Pooq45]

@@TheRunAndGun10 from what I’ve heard, his mental health issues began this summer and progressed. Not sure what happened, but it seemed like something changed over the past 6 months.

[@maryrankin9869]

He was very very angry. Lots of pain and loss in his life. He could not handle it. Lots of red flags.

[@bradsanders6954]

@@Pooq45 He and his GF had recently split up, on top of his other issues, it may have been the last straw. Ive heard some say he was targeting her as she went to the bowling alley regularly.

[@TheKyleman999]

@@maryrankin9869did you know him personally or is this what you heard?

[@lynettewilson7396]

That state allows him to own a weapon like that and he had threatened to kill service members several times mind boggling

[@JudasBenPesach]

He's a Manchurian candidate, hearing voices in the head is a classical case of voice to skull tech via low frequency microwaves, a technology invented by the CIA in the MKultra experiments in the 1960s. An Israeli Company Noveto Systems is working on a civilian version of this, but its not as advance.

[@paranoid2867]

@@JudasBenPesachbro what the hell are you even talking about

[@b3_w4ter85]

@@paranoid2867hopefully sarcasm but probably a q-anon goober

[@jackslepowron5905]

​@@JudasBenPesachthere is tech like that but he's probably just a crazy guy

[@LoneStarMillennial]

"State allows?" You have a problem, friend.

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[@bthomson]

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[@hardtakeoff]

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[@andrewsmith3257]

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[@Blueb3rryyy]

Dr. Grande, thank you for covering this story. I am from Lewiston, and this was incredibly traumatic for our community. This was also so preventable. I am angry, I am sad and I am heartbroken.

[@karmadel786]

I'm so sorry 🙏🏾

[@blondespitfire]

I'm sorry for what your community has gone through, I really am. However I have to say that your community should have voted to have red flag laws in your town. The yellow flag laws that you did have, we're designed to fail as psych doctors aren't gonna put themselves on the line to take their patients guns away. That is the job of law enforcement, and that is who would've been involved if your people would've just voted for the red flag laws.

[@elizabethburnham4692]

I am deeply sorry that this happened to Lewiston. I'm a Umaine graduate and know people from LA area. My thoughts are with you. ❤

[@Blueb3rryyy]

⁠hi @@blondespitfire - Yes, I am absolutely devastated that this happened. I am also very aware that laws (or lack thereof) across the nation continue to prioritize gun ownership over human beings. Lewiston is only one small community and we don’t have the ability to enact this sort of legislation on our own. Although quite progressive, we do have a long way to go. We are represented by Maine II in the US House of Representatives, and our Democratic Congressman recently issued an apology for voting against an a$$u*t weap*onz ban and now recognizes this was a mistake. It’s frustrating when tragedy strikes in your hometown and the people you believe are there to protect you, do not. All this to say is - please have more compassion. We are sad and heartbroken but this absolutely not on a single community.

[@Trad-Am]

Ya, it's not like gov agencies, weren't Givin fair warning, and chose to do nothing about it!

[@amberfitz-randolph392]

Robert R Card got high power hearing aids implemented just prior to the onset of hearing voices. He's a member of the deaf community and targeted their Cornhole league on the tournament night with the highest concentration of deaf players present. His sister has been saying from the start this was very acute onset mental illness and started immediately after the procedure for the hearing aids, he immediately reported voices in his ears. Thank you for discussing this aspect and not just fixating on his political beliefs and family owning guns and land which isn't unusual for Maine hunting country.

[@Cec9e13]

Is it possible that getting the hearing aids had a placebo effect of thinking he now understood the whispers?

[@momof1576]

Lots of people don’t trust the government but would never think of killing other people.

[@EmbalmerEmi]

It was stated that he was already heard voices but once he got hearing aids he felt like he could "hear the voices better".

[@amberfitz-randolph392]

@@Cec9e13 I don't know that was one of the things I was wondering. I was getting upset so many people were bitching about the family having land and guns as if that's even unusual or suspicious for MAINE it's rather normal. Hardly anyone was talking about the minor mental health issues suddenly getting horrible right after the hearing aids and I don't understand what type those devices are either. It's been very little focus on the hearing aids and family members were calling and reporting issues for months. In fact the minute that shooting happened and shooter was wanted, first three calls to come in identifying Card was from his own family. They have been trying to help him.

[@amberfitz-randolph392]

@@EmbalmerEmi yeah like he thought people might be talking about him but suddenly knew who was saying exactly what, anytime family tried to calm him down he lashed out because he truly seems to have felt he was now understanding who was against him.

[@jaye8872]

This is exactly what I thought was wrong with him , schizophrenia. People need to start taking mental illness more seriously. The deaths did not need to happen.

[@maryrankin9869]

Education. Mental illness is still a secret. shshshshshshs Sad as it is. This is the truth.

[@statementleaver8095]

Military personnel all shout at each other But then again......Definitely a *Maine* problem. Folk saying to keep away from Him

[@NeoSharkey]

I really want to know if Robert was on SSRI medication.

[@DangerRussDayZ6533]

Currently our society glorifies mental illness. We have the most mental illness in this up and coming generation than ever before. Everyone is drugged for mental illness, everything from anxiety and depression, etc. Young people brag about their mental illnesses, like it's a badge of honor to have anxiety, or OCD, or ADHD, etc. We now have "affirming care" that means anyone can self diagnose their mental illness and get whatever treatment they think is necessary. In some places, if Doctors don't "affirm" their patients self diagnosis, they can lose their license to practice. So not only do we not take mental illness seriously, we are perpetuating it.

[@aceiam4370]

​@@DangerRussDayZ6533 as repugnant as it sounds,it is very much true especially with this generation. Mental illness has become a form of high ranked title that now everyone is wanting to accomplish. An average kid is determined to get the diagnosis so that they become a part of a large segment that pop culture promotes.

[@MrNexor-cj8gs]

I've been wondering why mass shootings don't really happen in other countries with rather lax gun laws. There are several European countries where one can own an AR-15 and similar firearms (Czech Republic, Switzerland, and some of the Scandinavian countries off the top of my head). Or why have mass shootings become much more prevalent in the past 20-25 years when the AR-15 has been on sale to civilians since the early 1960s? And similar high capacity, semi auto rifles have been around since at least 1908. In the 1950s, the government dumped millions of surplus M1 carbines onto the civilian market, along with their 15 and 30 round magazines and who knows how many millions of rounds of ammo. Pretty much every gun store and pawn shop in the US had them for sale absolutely dirt cheap in the 50s, but there was no huge rash of shootings then? Not to mention before 1968, there were no background checks. You could buy a gun and walk out of a store, no questions asked. You could even buy one or of a catalog and have it mailed directly to your house. Before 1934's National Firearms Act, you could even buy full auto machineguns unregulated. So, what I'm getting at is high capacity guns are not new and they've always been easy to get (easier in the past, actually). So, what's different now to make these kinds of shootings more common?

[@melissacain841]

I wonder the same thing! What is happening in our society that causes white men to mass shoot.

[@williamk1060]

I assume our society offers some kind of incentive for mass shooters. I believe the gun control debate is a major one. In other countries, if a mass shooting happens, they either ban all the guns with few questions asked (like Australia), or they refuse to allow a terrorist attack to affect law abiding people, so there's no debate or chaos. A mass shooting in other countries brings people together for mourning, and often focuses on blaming the shooter, perhaps doing a better job at suppressing news coverage of the shooter and his body count (to prevent copycats). In the US, the shooter is rarely the primary source of ire in a shooting, even though our news sources have been better in recent years at not naming the shooters. Every mass shooting, especially the big ones usually causes a wave of retribution against people who support gun rights, especially legislatively. Illinois banned 90% of modern guns 6 months after the 4th of July shooting as a response. Because we can't just ban all guns immediately, there's a debate that becomes hot topics during elections and normal political discourse. Body counts are important because the capacity of the magazine or the rate of fire of the rifle can be blamed. Even though shooters aren't named as often, body counts are meticulously recorded, mostly for political purposes. Chaos also ensues, states ban magazines, people hate eachother because some of them just voted for a law that makes their neighbors felons for practicing their hobby ect. A mass shooter who wants to make society suffer is successful in the US, because all of us are put on edge for at least the next election cycle. It's the fact that we have a debate at all that gives mass shooters extraordinary sense of power, if they kill enough people, perhaps close enough to an election, they can completely change american history depending on the mood in congress at the time. Not that shooters usually care about the future of gun laws in the US, but the gun control debate itself carves a lasting scar into the society they obviously despise. I assume a mass shooter has utter contempt for society as a whole amoung other things.

[@dwinthrop1015]

The 1966 university of Texas massacre was terrible, but it didn’t lead to active shooter drills for college students. There were no copycats. It seems to have faded to a vague memory (unless you were directly affected).

[@nancydupuis8083]

Good question. It's the state of our society not the guns.

[@maryrankin9869]

Education to families and public is much needed. Mental illness is still a secret! shshshsh@@williamk1060

[@loiskondo8349]

These cases are sad and frustrating, thank you for your take on it Dr. Grande.

[@Nicky_Pin_It]

My Father grew up less than a mile from the bowling alley involved in the shooting. Lewiston is a town that's seen a lot of tough times over the years, its a Mill town that went from booming, down to nothing, and then slowly built back up, with a lot of new growth recently. This really hit close to home

[@Nicky_Pin_It]

@@Mataylor17 it's was mainly textile mills, and shoes if I recall correctly

[@VDxVicious]

@@Mataylor17 I’m guessing they’re probably a bit racist as well ? Gotta keep melanin out of their dying little town right ?

[@mrs.mayle85]

Definitely textiles and shoes. My husband still hand sews shoes in the Quoddy Mill.

[@Roseofsharon99]

The hearing aid implants are very interesting. Anyone who has hearing aids or has tried to use them knows how amplifying they are. They can irritate one to the point you need to remove them shortly after putting them in. I’m assuming since they were implants they can’t be removed. This could make someone go insane. This theory is something to think about and research.

[@garyacker7388]

I'd never heard that before. Thank you

[@alm8bob]

Good point 🤔

[@EmbalmerEmi]

As someone who's pretty much been hard of hearing since birth and was in a special program for hard of hearing and deaf people, that isn't how cochlear implants work. People can 100% turn them off or straight up remove the exterior part of the implant, they're not just stuck having them on all the time?

[@garyacker7388]

@@EmbalmerEmi I'm still learning. Thanks

[@helpyourcattodrive]

I can barely handle this at this point. What the hell is wrong w America to have all these shoot ups?

[@My_Girl_Milley]

1st Lack of mental health treatment due to a rise in mental health problems and a lack of providers. 2nd law makers who fail to comply with the legislation they signed. This man needed help and sought help and didn't receive it. He was on LE radar for threats and they failed to confiscate his FA. State failure!!

[@lonerebeI]

Full of crazies and evil people

[@blk5124]

The data you shared on psychosis in shooters was very surprising! I expected nearly all mass shooters to have serious psychosis. And thank you for the data on risks of dying in mass shootings as well. Perspective really helps. 👍

[@maryrankin9869]

Pain and loss. Unsupervised.

[@marleyhill34]

psychosis is rare. personality disorder is far more common. I have a personality disorder and I've had suicidal and homicidal ideation since I was 8 years old but most of my life people even clinicians have told me I'm fine. I'm not. I look normal on the outside but on the inside definitely not normal. I tell people now: don't fuck with me because you do not want to trigger what's inside of my head. A lot of people ignore my warning and I have to do a lot to ignore them because if I engage it will be a bad day for everyone including innocents. You are also more likely to be killed by someone you actually know than a stranger. For women, this is even a higher risk for a romantic or sexual partner current or past.

[@blk5124]

@@marleyhill34 I hope you feel you have some support with good friends, any healthy family you may have, and a good and helpful professional counselors/psychiatrist. Mind if I ask you a question? Why do you think some folks act on their ideations (homicide and/or suicide) while others don't? I'm imagining it's about a level of support or lack thereof combined with the trigger/triggers but I don't have firsthand experience. What are your thoughts, if you don't mind sharing?

[@marleyhill34]

@@blk5124 I can only speak from my experience and a few of the people I know fairly well in my support group. I don't have friends and family who understand how to support me. I am monitored by 5 clinicians. That is rare for most people with mental health problems. I have a Better Help online clinical psychotherapist, a clinical support group managed by two clinical facilitators with a consultant doctor oversight and my regular general practitioner/family doctor. I was also raised in the church ( spirituality is actually very important for mental health: you need a moral code and life purpose mantra) and I was educated to postgraduate level beyond a bachelor's degree. My pharmacist also monitors my medication closely. I never abused substances because I saw what it did to older people in my family and I definitely did not want to go down that road. It's a daily battle for example for the first pandemic lockdown I drank alcohol so much every night to cope with the stress that I gain 30lbs. I religiously always took my anti-psychotic medication and I have completed CBT, DBT and MBT the longest being 18 months of intensive Mentalisation based therapy for 3 hours individual and group every week. I have always lived in countries/states that have very strict gun laws. I've literally never been to a shop that sells guns. You can't stop triggers but what you have to learn to do is how to keep yourself and others safe. I've met people who were told that they were stupid their entire life when I can see plain as day that they are not stupid But when your family and your teachers and your "friends" and your colleagues reinforce this, it's very hard to get over that negative wiring in your voice. People who act on the ideation have nothing to live for and they are incorrectly treated and also suffer from continuous rejection from society. Some people also suffer really badly from medication side effects so they either won't take the medication or spend more time dealing with the side effects than actually being able to focus on psychotherapy. That's just general but there are other socio-economic factors also. One of my peers could only focus on improving her own mental health when all of her 6 children were taken away from her care. And they were taken from her care because her family, the children's father and the in laws couldn't care for the kids either. A lot of it can be generational trauma. A lot of it can be exacerbated by employment and romantic relationship problems and parenting problems. if someone feels socially isolated and on the margins of society that intensifies the feelings of rejection and abandonment and hopelessness.So they ask themselves what is the point of staying alive and why they shouldn't violently attack those who they think real or imagined have wronged them. I will never forget Columbine. I was bullied in school and when I reacted, I overreacted to the point that some people even remember my overreaction 20 years later. But I had aspects of kindness in my life. through extended family like my maternal grandmother when she was alive, through the church community and through my teachers. some people do not have any of that. They have been treated like trash all their lives and they begin to believe that they are trash and behave badly. I don't have a criminal record and acquiring one of those is another way to make you keep being rejected by society long after you have paid your fine and served your time. I know people who drink and take substances to for get the pain, shame and embarassment but that only makes it workse when they do something criminal under the influence, fail a sober test and or breach parole. Another thing I did that most people healthy or mentally ill never do is that I moved 4000 miles away from my dysfunctional family of origin at age 18 and never moved back even when I was homeless. I took a calculated risk that being alone was better than living in dysfunction. I shudder to think about what might have happened if I had stayed in that dysfunctional environment. I grew up in a small place that I felt that I needed to escape from. Not as small as Lewiston but with 250k people that all thought the same and condoned the same level of dysfunction. And I know I'm not the only person sane or with a mental illness who felt trapped there. So I got out at age 18, visited but never lived there again.

[@tortimeese]

I think suicide was a motive in Card's murderous rampage, too. He was going to kill himself, but he was going to 'take' a number of innocent people with him.

[@amberfitz-randolph392]

He wasn't taking innocent victims, he targeted people he delusionally believes were against him and potentially going to destroy him. Self unaliving was to escape the torment after punishment was given to those he could catch he blamed.

[@beaulieuc8910]

Yes

[@texasbluegrass567]

This reminds me of meth induced psychosis that a person has in my family. We have reached out every way possible to get help for this person, including the court system. There are also preexisting mental health problems. This person has even tried to obtain a weapon to "take care" of a person she thinks is watching her from her bedroom lightbulb. She also thinks snakes live inside her head, so she pulls all of her hair out. This country needs an extreme mental health overhaul, among other things. I wonder when this mans psychosis actually started and how much fumes he inhaled in the military?

[@davidvonkettering204]

I had the same thought.

[@maryrankin9869]

Psychosis NOS. Don't give up. Drugs can cause psychosis in a very bad way. Keep pushing for longterm detox and treatment.

[@Chris-tg3qy]

I thought the same thing. I have a close relative that is a former meth user and the damage is unbelievable. The problem with meth is it doesn’t stay in the system for very long so it is hard to detect, but I think that drug is responsible for quite a bit of mental health and homeless problems we see today.

[@QAlba1074]

Was he on any pHARMaceutical drugs like antidepressants???

[@Bakedea87]

Well if this person didn't have psychosis or schizophrenia, doing hard drugs for years like meth can definitely do that to people..the damage done to peoples bodies is not good because of drugs like that and irreversible. There's no going back. And yeah people end up going crazy and uncontrollable.

[@aviewer390]

Yes, and it should have been addressed. My cousin was in, and thankfully survived, the second shooting. Many that died were his friends.

[@cassandraespinosa2223]

Thanks for this excellent, if not 💔 analysis of Robert Card.😢 Have a Happy & Safe Halloween, Dr. Grande!!🎃😊🧡🖤

[@justinmeader]

As a Mainer, this really hit close to home - literally. People who aren't from here or who have never visited don't understand how out of character this is for the state. NOTHING happens here. We have the oldest population in the country. We're like 15th in gun ownership per capita, and our gun laws are very lax. I just wish people could focus on mental health services for once and not guns.

[@tanikokishimoto1604]

Agreed, as a past frequent visitor to Maine.

[@JustAnAverageWoman69]

I agree with you. Things like this will never stop if we don’t start taking mental health more seriously. People are focusing on the wrong thing.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Don’t mean crazy can’t happen in Maine.

[@artdjesus6267]

According to "True American Patriots" the treatment for mental health illnesses is owning a gun. Idk if they think owners should turn their most prized possessions on themselves.

[@amberfitz-randolph392]

​@@HWG-wm8ldnobody said it means crazy can't happen in Maine, it's painfully obvious that it can.

[@jimc.goodfellas]

Crazy times we're living in

[@CowSaysMooMoo]

actually on a per person basis, more normal than it used to be....

[@harley8680]

One of the first massacres happened in Bath, Michigan in 1926. The guy was angry about his job and blew up the school. Why have we gotten on fine until Columbine in 1999? Guns were always around.

[@richardhart9204]

Not really. We're actually living in the most peaceful, prosperous, crime-free time in human history.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

The 1960s may have been worse.

[@lonerebeI]

Definitely horrible times. These things weren't happening at such a fast rate as now

[@elhuddleston17]

Years ago I went through a period were I thought everyone was whispering about me and causing me problems.(example: say store clerk at some store only knowing her from going through her line once in a great while one of family members was talking about me). Realizing this was a mental issue I went to my doctor with it. It was taken care of. Years later I learned not to stay in situations that would trigger anger passion I would walk away never to talk to the person again if I could. In the few years I hear whispering I can't quite hear and isn't clear voices (not telling me to harm anyone or myself). This went on for some months even told my brother & sister. Only thing I could figure out is I had been sick with pneumonia, bronchitis, sinus maybe these was the cause. Now I block them out. But in doing this I block out talking around me not to listen. I drive Amish so I tell them I 'm blocking out their English talking not to interrupt them so only talk Amish unless talking to me. Now I did go to a doctor over some of this a year or so back and he told me medicine can only do so much I had to control my thoughts so I do that's why I leave people or block them talking.

[@Codehead3]

Have you seen the movie “A Beautiful Mind”? He comes to the realization that he can’t make the voices stop but he can refuse to listen to them.

[@johnengland8619]

Remember Mr Noid

[@Cec9e13]

I've gotten very casual about mentioning that I have (more in the past, not so much now) had auditory hallucinations, because any time someone is "hearing things" it's taken to mean you're crazy and need serious drugs. I didn't mention the stuff I heard to ANYONE until my GP sent me to a psychiatrist to overhaul my antidepressant regimen. When she asked about hallucinations, I figured, "Well, this is the person to tell," and said yeah, I sometimes heard snippets of sentences while alone in the house, a male voice said my name outside the window, etc. We decided as long as they weren't a Problem, i.e. they're not harassing me, saying evil stuff, etc, we would put them down to stress for now and deal with them later. Come to find, yeah, it was probably stress. But I've decided to be more open about the experience because hallucinations seem to be one of the most stigmatized mental health symptoms, while also being one that you SHOULDN'T keep to yourself. Hey, if you're hearing stuff, tell someone. The brain does wacky things. Doesn't have to mean you're schizophrenic. But if you are, catch that now. It could also be a tumor that needs to be caught sooner rather than later. It could also mean you are far more stressed than you realize and that your life needs work. None of those are going to fix themselves. You wouldn't hide a broken leg instead of getting it set because you were ashamed that your bone broke. Don't hide it when your brain has a fracture, LOL. Get that out there and address it. I can't think of anything causing hallucinations that is going to get better when you ignore it.

[@lisamoag6548]

Good skills. Ignore idle talk. Not my business what others wisp here just walk away from nonsense. Thank you.

[@marleyhill34]

@@Cec9e13 I have a personality disorder, autistic/sensory processing traits, and childhood trauma. I have heard and seen things that aren't there. One was when I was very ill as a child with fever and another was when I was homeless and under a lot of stress. When I'm well physically and mentally I hear and see nothing. They are rare but feel completely devasting. I've had enough therapy and medication to know it's happening and manage it well now. Even 2 days ago I was under extreme stress and hip pain and I started to have very hateful thoughts about my support group members. These people have done nothing to me. They noticed I was acting my usual way so I told them that I was frustrated and that I didn't want to be there and wanted to be back at home in bed as soon as possible. They wanted me to talk more but I guess couldn't. I felt like I would say something horrible...which could have escalated things into something horrible actually happening. I had to check out and dissociate several times while they were talking to cope. I'm one of the lucky ones believe it or not. I have a job, a home, money, and a social life. I appear normal and I don't usually get rejected by people. I've been able to insist that I have intensive therapy..multiple times. I have a bachelor's degree and I can understand written communication very well if not verbal or auditory communication. I also was able to take and stop anti-psychotic medication without severe side effects or withdrawal symptoms. I had people around me...even complete strangers helping me when my friends and family could not. The worst thing about mental illness is the isolation and the isolation makes it worst.

[@shannoncrawford8902]

Dr. Grandee....your analysis is always the most intelligent and reasonable explanation.....you are what the world needs more of....

[@Bencote1977]

I am a LCSW practicing in Maine. Good luck finding a psychiatrist here who is accepting new patients.

[@quaidwilburn9373]

Social workers are apart of the problem as well. Bottom of the barrel of the mental health

[@TheAngryAustrian]

Dude threatened to shoot up a national guard base and was still released after two weeks. The US needs to bring back asylums, mental health is the biggest problem in that country. Austria ranks 13th in guns per capita and you don't see that happen here.

[@nancydupuis8083]

Thanks for the statistics. People become hysterical over things in the news that they have a slim to none chance of encountering

[@maryrankin9869]

How many mass shootings this year alone? How many similiar situations with people gone mad and taking others with them? HELLO?

[@elizabethcloutman8913]

Even so, it’s the randomness and irrationality of these mass shootings that frightens people. It’s happened in larger cities such as Las Vegas or small towns such as Lewiston, Maine, which has only 36,000 people. It’s happened at concerts, state universities, shopping malls, schools from elementary to middle school to high school. It’s happened in churches and synagogues and mosques. The bar/restaurant and bowling alley were frequent gathering places for folks from Lewiston and surrounding areas. It’s frightening to think about!!!

[@elizabethcloutman8913]

@@maryrankin9869 And how much more often does it happen here than other countries: so many times more often!

[@dawnpence3248]

I did not appreciate the minimizing on this topic, seemed crazy, lol

[@etamommy]

Nancy and Mary you are both correct. @@maryrankin9869

[@StinasArena]

Thank you for covering this. It seems Maine is forgotten about sometimes, up here in the corner. I was surprised to see this, considering it just happened a few days ago. Yet you've got many of the details and have already made assessments, as well as shared some interesting statistics in the matter. Well done! They've listed the people killed & bio's, seem to all be great people naturally! There was a deaf man there who had a group of deaf kids he took bowling & has done so for years. He was killed. That's why so many deaf people were there. Not really fair since they can't hear the commotion & likely didn't have the same time to respond. Not that the response time was fair for anyone, he just barged in & went nuts, at least at 2 locations. Some of the people killed I've heard were people trying to stab him to stop him & he shot them. Tragic & Sickening!!

[@patriciahayes2664]

My two cents here. Robert Card could have been developing late-onset schizophrenia, which occurs between the ages of 40 and 60. 🤔

[@maryrankin9869]

Untreated and unsupervised.

[@beaulieuc8910]

Interesting

[@huggyprincess]

This hits so hard. I live in Maine, I always felt safe here. It’s surreal seeing the news report on us. Sick of this shit.

[@stevecullinan6272]

I sympathize with your perception of “surreal shit”. I know I would feel the same, if it were my home town. But it’s not this one guy in little old Maine. And the underlying frailty and disturbance in him is not new or necessarily surreal. What is surreal is the gun culture that permeates our time in this nation. We are all afflicted, but we can’t or won’t admit it.

[@MC-jj9zd]

I too is a fellow Mainer and I agree with you!

[@deborahlykins9801]

Always on top of current events. Love his analysis and professionalism! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@lennarthagen3638]

He's a doctor

[@harley8680]

😀@@lennarthagen3638

[@jackedkerouac4414]

Was waiting for this. Excellent analysis this tragedy was unreal especially given the fact he got away.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

So tragic. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this, Dr. Grande.❤

[@tammywallace5611]

I love it when you give statistics like you did at the end of this video.

[@CreepTime]

I feel for this community and for what they must be grappling with after this. As much as mental health is a consistent factor in all of these stories with mass shootings, you cannot ignore that this is a uniquely American problem and there are people struggling with mental health issues all over the world. The differentiating factor here is unchecked accessibility and you cannot continue to ignore that or down play it

[@emilyl6746]

That's what I've tried to point out. Mental health resources are way deficient or nonexistent in much of the developing world yet they don't experience mass shootings.

[@maryrankin9869]

Bingo

[@dr.luciddreamster9323]

I note your analysis omitted what role any side effects prescribed anti psychotic/depression medications may have contributed? Since an individual's medical mental health records are protected from disclosure by privacy regulations. And the reputatuons of the drug companies that produce the drugs are protected by defamation/libel laws. And the drugs are protected by patent laws. What role if any these issues contribute to mass shootings remains, unquestioned and not addressed.

[@Sunny567-0]

This is interesting. Not sure if this was what you were getting at, but antipsychotic drugs have terrible side effect profiles, I mean potentially debilitating, which makes many not want to take them. It’s like “can’t be psychotic when you’re chronically sedated and have drug induced diabetes and permanent movement disorder.” With that being said, antipsychotics save and improve the lives of many, but because of reasons above, not everyone will take them. Anosognosia, which is part of the illness itself for some, is another aspect as well. Source: I have schizoaffective disorder.

[@dr.luciddreamster9323]

@@Sunny567-0 antipsychotics manage an incurable disorder. Benefits the patient, the families, and society at large. It's the best we got. The side effects can be negative in a yet to do be reported quantity for the reasons previously listed. Perhaps the records are published. Perhaps there are product liability cases settled with NDAs. Dr. GRANDE might address these questions.

[@m.n.1481]

Thank you, Dr. Grande, for covering this case. Minor correction: there were two female victims, not one.

[@elizabethcalef6225]

That correction isn't minor.

[@troy3456789]

From it, we see again that when men kill, they kill mostly men. Also of note: when women kill, they mostly kill men.

[@annpoitras7875]

I picked that up,too. Thanks. I’m from so. Maine

[@gsandau]

​@@annpoitras7875I'm up here near Newport. I hope you're all well down that way.

[@simonmacomber7466]

Suddenly hearing voices because you just bought new hearing aids is also likely because you can finally hear a lot better. And someone like Robert Card, who was not well liked by anyone, might have been hearing people saying bad things about him that were being spoken out loud by people around him, rather than having auditory hallucinations.

[@Sputterbugz]

lol good point

[@maryrankin9869]

Plus he became very paranoid. Lots of pain and loss in his life.

[@bradsanders6954]

Its odd how some say they always avoided him at every chance, he was not at all right, nor was he friendly. Others say he was easy going, friendly, totally normal kind of guy. Trying to protect his family maybe?

[@bjkarana]

Coming from small town NH, similar in social culture to Maine, folks don't talk out loud in public about the armed town weirdo.

[@simonmacomber7466]

@@bjkarana I did not know Robert Card. But I do know some of the people who knew Robert Card. I can assure you, I heard a lot of loud insults about the guy in public places. Even when he was present. He was that hated. In Maine, _everyone_ is the armed town weirdo.

[@loriethayermorse162]

I really appreciate you making things easier to understand but not treating your audience like we're dumb for looking for answers. Thank you Dr. G! ❤

[@VirgilTStone]

I am not applauding this video, I'm only speculating how one could applaud a video LIKE this one. Really like your work, Dr. Grande

[@crystabella39]

This hit me hard. I was born and raised in Maine. of course, there are mentally ill people everywhere. I guess you would wonder how it didn't happen sooner. Our winters are long, rough, and depressing. Still shakes me to the core. I grew up in a Norman Rockwell town in Brunswick and frequented Lisbon, Bowdoinham, and Lewiston. I never would have imagined this would happen so close to me.

[@MC-jj9zd]

Fully agree and I too have been living in maine my whole life and this sad event has definitely affected so many people.. Its heartbreaking 😢

[@GO-GO_SO-SO]

Dr. Grande such a good job giving the facts in a very efficient amount of time. Out of all the videos I have watched about this, this was the first time hearing this much information about the shooter, such as his political leanimgs or how the guy was a believer in the election stuff.

[@maryrankin9869]

Loss,loss and loss. This guy had the history and nobody was surprised. Very very tragic. We must be better at staying vigilant to loose cannons. If you examine the history you will kno why I am mentioning this. This is not the first time this has happened. Somebody stated this is approx. the 31st time in USA this year? We have to learn from this. Mental Illness cannot stay a secret! SHHSHHHSHSHSHSH lol

[@Kevin-S]

Thank you for the interesting statistics toward the end of this video. If you’re not worried about getting killed by lightning, you probably don’t need to worry about mass shootings (unless you know someone who fits that profile and has fallen on hard times).

[@krisaaron8180]

It is kind of like police brutality against blacks. Given all the attention it gets I was surprised to learn that less than 1% of blacks are killed by a police officer in America, and surely some of those were justified. 9 out of 10 blacks are killed by other blacks, and the leading cause of death for young black men and teens in America is being murdered by the same. It's almost like you probably don't need to worry about that unless you are either committing a crime, resisting arrest, or both. Much of the information we get from a screen these days actually amounts to disinformation when for instance, the media plays up massing shootings of this type, and police shootings.

[@SirenaSpades]

I'm in Maine. Following this incident, I immediately began receiving anti-carry ads on KZbin. How did they get these ads ready so fast? Why was our governor giddy with glee during the press release? None of it seemed right for our state. My condolences to the families of the victims.

[@darklorddisco]

What a weird comment. I watched the press conference and did not detect any "glee" in the governor's statement and she certainly didn't appear to be giddy. What are these "anti-carry" ads you speak of? Can you link one?

[@dawnpence3248]

You are getting paranoid, get off the internet, and seek good people and experiences!

[@My_Girl_Milley]

Dr. Grande, i am a long time follower and supporter of your channel. I am also a Mainer. While i dont know the family personality, the majority of folks who knew him spoke highly of him a d his family. The negative inerview of the supposed neighbor which you speak of appears to be someone who used this horrible tragedy for a few seconds of recognition, which imo was one very shallow and disrespectful antihuman. The frequency of folks shooting guns for target practice in maine is rather normal in our rural communities, especially those who farm. In addrion, almost half of every household in Maine owns at least one FA. And lastly, maine has a long time history of hunting and fishing and i can promise you you'll find a group of happy and grinning men (and likely some women and children) outside ANY given weigh station proudly admiring the deer they harvested this time of year, maybe enjoying a couple of beers and smoking some cigarettes too. In fact that scenario is far more common than not! What this person said in the news should have been vetted prior to broadcast. Most Mainers are good humans. We might be old fashion in some ways and narrow minded in others but there are 2 parts of Maine and we are unlike the rest of the lower 48 due to our vast size and low population. The antihuman who gave such an interview is unlike the majority of us and clealy had an anti 2nd amendment agenda and is highly likely antigun because of their lack of education and experience with FA. I hope his neme is released and receives the slack he is deserving of. Misinformation is alwys spread by those who lack basic knowledge and this is a huge problem in this country.

[@soniacarbajal8313]

👏👏👍👍

[@MC-jj9zd]

Thank you! As a fellow Mainer myself I agree with your comment!

[@markberman6708]

He's at drill (with reserves) says he is hearing voices and is thinking about shooting people... um, barely in psych ward... no follow up by anyone... there's your problem.

[@Mr.Morden]

6:12 I have experienced this auditory phenomena of people talking about me. One of the unique things about this experience are the intensified auditory hallucinations induced by things like loud speakers PA systems in supermarkets, phone speakers, and televisions. The hearing aid caused a hallucination intensification without question. I don't know what it is about speakers that causes this, but it's important to know it happens if you're around someone it's happening to.

[@peaceseeker52]

I had MS Lyme and TIAs since I was a kid I am always second guessing myself. I was very run down when my Aunt who lived with me passed away over 5 weeks at home and then had to move immediately. I suddenly heard complex music. It was pleasant but I wanted to go to sleep. It turned out to be the window AC, a noisy refrigerator and a noisy bath ceiling fan. It would pop up when I was tired I am so grateful the music always different was always pleasant then it just stopped. The cacophony alone was new and annoying so I guess my noggin decided to help me out.

[@CG-MP]

My sister works with deaf kids and she played a video of what the sound from hearing aid implants is actually like for the deaf person. It's not just normal speech and sound like I always thought. It was echoing and hissing and so, so eerie. Deaf people with implants basically have to relearn sound, because everything sounds different and they have to learn how to interpret it.

[@peaceseeker52]

The kind of hearing aids may have been part of the problem. There seems to be noone testing to see how they work with different hearing loss. I was at a genealogy library with the attendant on duty answering queeries but we were chating but in no way yelling or loud. Both of us had soprano range voices I had to learn to drop for hard of hearing with or without hearing aids. There was a lecture in a separate room past all the book shelves and cabinets for papers, newslettets, fiche etc. An older man came up and out to ask us to stop yelling he could not hear the speaker in the other room 40 ft away ( neither could we ) we just obliged but felt bad if his hearing aids were doing that to him. They would be useless. Govt insurance buys crap if they at all can. Anything better is not deserved even if it is cheaper. BMET here.

[@zenawarrior7442]

Glad you're covering this, now to listen. Terrible he was able to get high powered killing instruments with such issues💔 Thanks Dr G😊💙💙

[@butchbroussard8468]

That Red Flag law worked really well, didn't it?

[@nmartin5551]

You don’t understand much about firearms if you think “high power” has any mitigating factor in how lethal a bullet is.

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@nmartin5551 You're right but I know it wasn't a handgun. Most mass murders are with AK's or AR's. The average person doesn't need those. All bullets are lethal so no need to be sarcastic. The high capacity/power/clip/ammo/magazine...whatever your fancy. They are all designed to kill alot quickly, meant for military & war yet thats what all the cowards use.

[@My_Girl_Milley]

Your comment highlights ignorance at its finest! Another anti2nd amendment who hasn't the slightest clue about FA. People k/ll people. I can assure you if this man was hospitalized as he should have been, then there's no way his FA chambered in .308 c/would've k/lled or injured a single human and that's a fact. Educate yourself before making such foolish comments.

[@StAlphonsusHasAPosse]

👍

[@HarleyQuinn-oq9bf]

As a Mainer who lives about 45 mins from the tragedy, I appreciate you taking the time to cover this. Been watching you for years now, and love everything you do!

[@zimmerman1031]

I appreciate the humor Big Dr. Grande throws into the thumbnail of even a mass shooter. ''Wild Card" indeed.

[@FilmThePoliceFTP]

What does wanting the IRS to be abolished have to do with anything?

[@QueenOfTheNorth65]

It was just one of the beliefs that he held, according to the posts that he had made on social media. It’s also typical of a right wing mindset.

[@FilmThePoliceFTP]

Ok but what does it have to do with the subject at hand? The shooting? He's trying to equate his beliefs with his act it seems like.

[@bobsaget9931]

This is hits me in a strange way, as a person who has been labeled with schizophrenia and one thing that always happens in public, I can be in the same room as people, let's say a waiting room, in this close proximity I will swear anyone in the room is talking about me, I can't hear what they are saying and in my mind they whispering and talking shit about me. It never goes away even with medication, I always believe people are insulting me and talking shit behind my back and I have to hurt them. Medication helps, but any public place I go this happens. I stay away from public places, etc.

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

That really sucks. I am sorry you have to deal with that. Thank you for letting us know.

[@frankiem4062]

Seems more like anxiety than schizophrenia

[@user-dn1hl7lg9c]

Sorry you feel that way but I feel the same too but I think it is more of an anxiety issue

[@STR82DVD]

I wonder if you could vet Buffy Sainte-Marie. Somehow, the woman managed to fool all of us to believe she was indigenous for 60 years. Kind of impressive in one way and utterly horrible given her claims of being part of Canada's 60's scoop.

[@emilyburton4095]

There are so many of these "pretendians," it should be a separate category in the DSM.

[@rayross997]

That is a strange case. Wonder what motivated her? Was it just to further her career? Get attention? Hope Dr. Grande covers Buffy Sainte-Marie.

[@iyalove9383]

I hope he covers this case, too.

[@STR82DVD]

@@rayross997 Very odd indeed. Kind of just goes to show, you never really know someone that's just a media persona.

[@kathybates1751]

​@@STR82DVDI have found you never ever know people. Had a friend for over 50 years. We went thru grammar school and had our babies together. Always thought were very best friends. One day she blew up Like a firecracker.

[@WolfHowl71]

ME has 'yellow flag' laws that were NOT used and could have easily been enacted. This would have been well justified considering all the circumstances involved in this case. Once again the 'system' failed even though it was capable of working well and with due process.

[@davidvonkettering204]

And the authorities of the State immediately reverted to making firearms illegal, even though Maine has a high firearm ownership rate and one of the lowest homicide rates of all the States,

[@UnityAgainstJewishEvil]

@@davidvonkettering204What’s going on? I didn’t hear any laws changed in Maine?

[@herculesbrofister265]

@@UnityAgainstJewishEvilgop no longer can tell the difference between reality and hyperbole

[@davidvonkettering204]

@@UnityAgainstJewishEvil They haven't changed the laws, but said they want "gun reform". through legislation.

[@maryrankin9869]

Cannot predict loss and pain. Unsupervised with all of his history. Ask the family.@@davidvonkettering204

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Thank you for this analysis, Dr. Grande. ❤ Your pov on current events helps me understand and see things more clearly.❤ This is yet another interesting and informative video. Much appreciation.❤

[@sylviaverrill6681]

I’m from Oxford, Me. Lewiston is a place we shopped and had Dr. Appointment’s in Lewiston. The bowling alley is in the same complex we would get our drives licence😮 renewed. We traveled through the area where he was found many times.

[@ecophage]

I’ve been watching your channel for a while. Never thought I’d have to watch one that effected me. My friends were coworkers with some of the deceased and I was locked down for two days while helicopters and planes searched overhead. Day after they found him I had to drive through Lisbon within 2 miles of where they found him. Crazy thing is people still are more worried about their ability to buy guns in the future than addressing all the killing

[@JustAnAverageWoman69]

Stop with the political agenda. Mental health needs to be taken more seriously. That is the root of these problems.

[@ecophage]

@@JustAnAverageWoman69 what you just said was a political agenda. The conservatives literally want these people to have guns. They’ve told me. Like it or not but not everyone agrees mental health is important therefore it is a political issue. If you actually watch the video Dr grande talks about this guy’s politics. Certainly you’re calling out Dr. Grande for making it political

[@hamodalbatal464]

Happy Halloween Dr. Grande

[@OtherwisePanic]

I was literally shopping in Lewiston earlier that Wednesday, this one hit way too close to home.

[@chris55529]

Another good one. Thanks, Doc! Also, please consider David Burke. What that guy did, and why, is tailor-made for your particular talents, at least in my opinion.

[@butchbroussard8468]

Who makes the definitive legal finding that a thing is a conspiracy theory, as opposed to plausible but lacking overwhelming evidence to satisfy the opposing side?

[@SinclairPoppins]

Lots of people are psychotic and don’t shoot up towns or try to crash planes.

[@harley8680]

Exactly. I am married to one of them.

[@pasta8470]

Because they aren’t put on Prozac

[@SinclairPoppins]

@@pasta8470 Because they aren’t CRIMINALS

[@pasta8470]

@@SinclairPoppins this guy wasn’t prior to the shooting. All of these mass shooters have a clean record prior to their shootings. It’s the SSRIs they are all coincidentally prescribed, even the FDA acknowledges this on the insert.

[@lonerebeI]

​@@SinclairPoppinsEvil criminals

[@momof1576]

Lack of mental health care is a real issue in North America.

[@Wynter_Heat]

That is quite odd, and very interesting that he was hearing things that were not being said after he got some hearing aids, and also four of his victims were deaf… Very interesting statistics. RIP to the ones hurt by a person who lacked emotional intelligence and self discipline.😢❤

[@unpluggeddogdreams]

Yes it is odd. Wonder if he even exists. We will never know since these events always seem to end the same way.

[@lucybarrington4634]

He was hearing things before the hearing aids. Whispering. After the hearing aids he believed he could hear the whispering more clearly and understand what they were saying.

[@maryrankin9869]

That is just a side note. He had a history. That is why his wife divorced him. She knows. Poor son to deal with all of this. Mental health cannot remain a secret. Stay vigilante with people like this. Don't run away.

[@RB01.10]

@@maryrankin9869Agreed It’s what happened in Sandy Hook too, his mental illness was ignored and the father ran off.

[@victrola2007]

It's about memtal health. Period. Also, 90% of people who comment about "they should have ..." NEVER tried to get help for, let alone force a legal adult into treatment even if you are the one paying for insurance and all the bills. Take it from someone who knows too well and lived to tell about it.

[@angelaa7388]

It is so hard.

[@unpluggeddogdreams]

THIS IS NOT about mental health. It is technology being used on people to make it look that way. Americans are being experimented on without their knowledge or consent, you will find patents and who is behind this with a little research. If you believe that your government along with the MIC and tech corporations are not lying to you, and mind controlling the population, then wait for the tyrannical global surveillance system to roll out the next operation. This is a war against humanity.

[@carolynnilsen9270]

Yes I have had this experience. It is hard to sit on the sidelines and watch someone suffer, but even harder to force them to take treatment.

[@nmartin5551]

You speak the truth.

[@Sputterbugz]

imo that isnt an excuse to commit a shooting. plenty of people struggle and don't go blazing guns

[@tuvia4082]

Thanks Dr. Grande. Well put. Liking your decorations.

[@manewland1]

Thanks, in particular, for covering this, Dr. Grande. I can't imagine what it must have been like, after the shootings but before the body was discovered, not knowing if/when he'd turn up somewhere else.

[@elizabethcloutman8913]

I have a friend in Vermont who said the whole state was in lockdown.

[@GetMeThere1]

GREATLY appreciate the interesting statistics. It's always useful to put such things in proper perspective -- always useful, but rarely easy, without the data.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

I was afraid this would be another Andrew Cunanan situation, so although it was ghastly, it could have been so much worse. A society can't have everything. Given that the higher courts have decided that everyone has the right to refuse treatment and the 'right to fail' coupled with the disappearance of long-term inpatient psychiatric beds, we're stuck with inadequately treated mental illness.

[@maryrankin9869]

Bingo!

[@diletante6800]

Yes, that absolutely needs to change. One major problem, though, is the horrible history of mental health facilities, through today. The quality of every service in this country, including regular hospitals, has been declining for decades. Hard to convince a lot of the population that this country would run mandatory "new and improved" inpatient programs wouldn't be hell holes. If we just did things right...

[@RB01.10]

I thought someone can be involuntarily committed if they are a perceived threat to themselves and / or others? But yeah many blame Reagan for defunding mental hospitals but I wasn’t born yet so I don’t know the full story

[@evelynwaugh4053]

@RB01.10 He bears some of the blame, but taxpayers voted for it (at least in CA, Prop 13 lowered property taxes and closed state hospitals). But keep in mind that court decisions at that time were to grant more freedom to psychiatric patients and constrain psychiatric facilities, so it's complex. While there are processes to hold someone temporarily (couple days, then a hearing must be held), there are very few psych inpatient beds in most communities. The threat must be very unambiguous, or the court will release the patient, if law enforcement even detains them in the first place.

[@stephenmorton8017]

Two things: he was a big deer hunter who like to dress his own deer. Another clue is he was recently fitted for high power hearing aids so he was suffering hearing loss. I think he had chronic wasting disease. CWD is rampant in the deer population, basically mad cow disease.

[@whosaidthat9265]

This is very interesting

[@HWG-wm8ld]

So according to your observation, deer hunters are all susceptible to these actions? Good one

[@stephenmorton8017]

@@HWG-wm8ld educate yourself. madcow prions will infect any mammal that ingests them. your inference is absurd. his hearing loss and progressive dementia is a clue. you are free to eat the meat of a diseased deer if you want to. CWD prions will even be a hazard to the investigators performing the autopsy.

[@My_Girl_Milley]

Maine doesn't have a problem with CWD.

[@stephenmorton8017]

@@My_Girl_Milley time will tell. it's a post mortem diagnosis, like Alzheimer's, but he was only in his 40's. we don't know where he went to hunt. also, it's just a conjecture. i'm only expectorating on what might be possible.

[@sox1085]

You are the only person covering this that I actually want to listen to what you have to say because you know psychology and you know gun safety laws.

[@BigZebraCom]

Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating why cacti just won't grow when black-out curtains block the light from windows like this.

[@maryrankin9869]

LOL

[@pacificblue5461]

Wow, you are incredibly consistent with these videos

[@balconoff]

I live in the Lewiston area, it was a bad few days.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Who would have thought

[@ashleyleavitt2979]

I live in Lewiston Maine. This was the craziest thing to ever happen here.

[@MC-jj9zd]

Fully agree with you! I could only Imagine how scary it was for everyone during this terrifying event. I live about an hour and half from lewiston. Lewiston Strong!

[@TheScapegoat420]

Surprised nobody in either establishment had a firearm.

[@hrod9393]

I think you missed a bigger question. What medications were they on if any? Was this shooter on medication? Considering he also went thru therapy recently? Alot of these anti depression/anxiety medications seem to remove inhibitions and a sense of what is right and wrong.

[@christiandenault7606]

He might have been skipping his meds due to his delusional state. A lot of people with schizophrenia and other psychoses deliberately stop taking their prescriptions due to their irrational fear of being poisoned or genetically altered by them.

[@pistashleyo5897]

How fucked up to be a deaf victim in a shooting situation...

[@tommccormick9290]

I was surprised that he chose to use a rifle in heavy 308 caliber. About %95 of AR platforms are small caliber high velocity 5.56. 3.08 is more Typically used to hunt big and medium sized game.

[@vikramgupta2326]

I thought same thing. I wonder if he thought he might have to engage LEO with body armor.

[@shelleyphoenix7478]

I’m seriously wondering if he was using meth. Research shows that meth can cause violent behavior. Also the paranoia, voices etc. Drugs are ravaging our beautiful state of Maine. Just my opinion. What do you think Dr. Grande?

[@blessedrthosesermount99]

Anyone in their 'right mind' wouldn't commit a mass shooting.

[@amandareynolds2781]

I live in old town maine and i have family from less than a mile where this happened. It is still shocking how so many maine residents say maine is one of the safest states and we never need to lock our doors. I think thats crazy ... I hope how our no gun laws change to having gun laws AND the fact i dont think anything that has to do with mental illnesses are taken seriously.

[@justbrilliant9560]

RIP ❤ to all victims who lost their lives to this monster. I hope their families will find peace eventually and I hope the surviving victims will heal and live a happy life going forward. My thoughts are with all affected people of this heinous crime. I have a question.. Sorry if not really related to this video but.. Isn’t it so that SSRI anti-depressants are now recommended to not give people under the age of 25? That studies have come to find SSRI meds to have negative effects on the undeveloped brain? I’m not talking about uncomfortable side affects, I mean that it can actually mess up your brain in the long run.. Anyone else know about this? I got SSRI at 18y/o, later changed to SNRI (within five years I think, so I was still under 25 y/o) and I’ve been on these meds til this day, I’m 30 now. (In case you don’t know about these meds.. SSRI deals with serotonin. SNRI deals with serotonin and norepinephrine. So when SSRI doesn’t give enough effect the doctor may change it to SNRI) I’m pro medication, I myself am bipolar so I couldn’t do without some of the meds I have. Some meds for us with bipolar really saves a lot of lives and decrease our suffering! I’m curious if Dr. Grande have studied these researches and what his opinions are, but also anyone else in this “community” if you’ve heard about this :)

[@morticiaheisenberg9679]

I heard about that too. If you ever need to get off those drugs, wean off very slowly. I went off them too fast and it was absolutely the worst thing I ever experienced. And I have had a bad life. I didn't want to hurt anyone else. But for 2 weeks I had a voice telling me to k*ll myself. Constantly, every waking moment. It was agony along with the pain, brain zaps and crushing depression. I told myself, it was just the medication withdrawal symptoms. And just kept researching. I really understood how a teenager or unstable adult could absolutely lose it and do horrible shit. Because they are already not great with handling things.

[@melissacain841]

What are your thoughts on the personality profile of mass shooters? Are here similarities with all of the perpetrators? I’ve always wondered if FBI or law enforcement have ever put together similar traits. Not sure how this would prevent these tragedies. As a society we need to be on alert regarding people we think might do this sort of thing.

[@maryrankin9869]

Absolutely be on alert. Supervise,supervise and educate families and public. No family escapes such incidents...anything from A-Z!

[@shannonEGBOK]

Most other countries that have had mass shootings have dealt with it fairly effectively. Our country just refuse to do anything at all. It's pathetic

[@HWG-wm8ld]

You are repeating false information from news outlets. What has Mexico done to stop their homicides? Yeah, guns are banned there, that doesn’t make a difference.

[@harley8680]

Please name the countries

[@Painted_Panther]

​@@harley8680 Australia is one of them. :) for starters

[@nancydupuis8083]

What would be the way to deal with it?

[@peepodhumperdink4456]

@@harley8680 Australia, Japan, most of Europe. Google is your friend

[@princesslithium]

Please try the case of Jonathan Brandis.

[@laurenurban3942]

It is very difficult to obtain mental health services in America. I’m on Medicaid and tried to get mental health assistance and the system put me through hell..I finally gave up and instead I just self medicate. There’s no where to go for help, unless you have excellent insurance or are wealthy enough to pay for this highly expensive service. Mental health intervention is out of reach for many people here in America.

[@toddabbruzzese3974]

thank you Dr. Todd

[@lennarthagen3638]

Dr. Dodd

[@youtubehandle-]

I was hoping you would analyze this, hopefully there will be more info coming out about it. Thank you, Dr. Grande! ❤

[@lesliepfeifer8518]

I watched a story about a mass shooting in Thousand Oaks California, one of the victims that died was at the Las Vegas shooting a few years back, thats some really bad luck,

[@megret1808]

I’m reminded of the “Texas Tower” shooter. I think it was determined that he had a brain tumour. Maybe rare but it happens

[@Chris-ui4rg]

I get all my disturbing news from Dr. Grande.

[@artawhirler]

Well that's a horrible waste of hundreds of other channels. 😅

[@kevincharbonneau5953]

How about this.,.when people have had enough then that's it. There is a broken scale of justice

[@jonathanevans3349]

Hello, would you kindly share the source of the statistical data that you reference? Thanks much!

[@EziekKiel]

I gotta stop watching the news and stuff like this. There is too much constant suffering in this world. I don't think we're meant to have to carry it all, all of the time. I need to take a break for a while. I'm emotionally exhausted. Learning about all the innocent children being killed in Israel and then in Gaza has broken me. I can't stop thinking about it. It's starting to hurt my soul😟

[@bobthebuilder69429]

i want to hear about all the cases where the FBI stops a mass shooting before it happens

[@nmartin5551]

Good ask. We know the dropped the ball on that one HS shooter in Florida, who had posted his intent on FB, was reported by many people, and they allegedly “cleared him” as a non-risk.

[@maryrankin9869]

LOL

[@gutter339]

Lmfao they don't. It's not in their political interest to stop these things from happening. Libs love violence so as to enact laws to punish the wrong ppl

[@alrey3967]

People did talk about him though. When you are a weirdo people do talk about them behind their back. And being isolated can cause more problems.

[@dennisdunn9657]

I am the wife of this YT user. I just signed up for patreon and all I see is pre-releases. Are the 160 videos you mentioned all just waiting to be released here... So I won't enjoy new episodes here again? I heard many exciting videos titles in your patreon pitches & it finally signed up. I thought it was other videos here?

[@adelekelly455]

Ive had psychosis and thankfully here in New Zealand we have a compulsory treatment orders and its very difficult to obtain a gun.