Did Red Dead 2 Hurt the Franchise? - Game Scoop! 514

[@dee85ist]

Resident evil 2 talk 1:07 RDR2 talk 23:21

[@Awesome_Force]

5 to 10 hours per week? He's totally neglecting his console.

[@BSHoward8]

Games like RDR2 push games forward for me. It was groundbreaking in that it broke the mould of open world, checklist games and for me is the most immersive game this gen.

[@ghjhty7]

Stewart Howard 100% agreed. This and god of war.

[@AlesWorldofStocks]

Daemon, you're the man, and we couldn't care less that you made a little mistake like any other human. Btw, this is my favorite cast on the show and the new 4th guy (CJ) is awesome, just as chill and funny and knowledgeable as the rest of you 3. Keep up the good work my friend :)

[@IronBurden]

Comparing Mass effect Andromeda to RDR2. Whut

[@DarshUK1]

Jerry P I know right, mass effects controls aren’t terrible

[@WEK-kh8gd]

DarshUK oh you must be the slow one 🙁

[@NathanPrattNappingRat]

Daemon, your handling of the RE2 review thing on this show is just perfect! Love the sly humor. Play on! SCOOP

[@chrislws7]

Nathan Pratt well he lied about playing the game

[@nigelcorboy826]

@@chrislws7 Link?

[@Robx4k]

@@chrislws7 when does 'was not sure how one story led to the other' translate to 'lying about playing the game'? Don't throw around accusatory shit like that.

[@whosmav628]

Daem gets a pass yo, he's the homie

[@kdkseven]

Daemon's awesom-- best host on IGN-- and everyone makes mistakes, but i would not want to be the IGN reviews team this past year!

[@boardvision11]

One of the greatest games of all time...

[@Slumpenstein]

hmmmm

[@SecksyMan]

yes

[@DarshUK1]

This is sarcasm right?

[@HardcoreGamer101508]

This hate for Red Dead 2 is ridiculous. The slow-paced parts were the best and most beautiful moments, story, character, and atmosphere-wise. It’s because of these narrow-minded gamers that the game had some of those formulaic, predictable “gunfight suddenly breaks out out of nowhere” moments in missions.

[@DarshUK1]

Movie Muscle sounds like a complaint about the game, so you agree it’s not that great?

[@HardcoreGamer101508]

DarshUK It's definitely not perfect, but it's still better than any of the 2018 games that I played.

[@gamescoop]

You don't need to call people narrow minded just because you disagree with them.

[@issamnajde]

RDR2 could hurt the future of the franchise for casual players. For me personally it's near perfect, but many casual players never got to chapter 3 just because they found it too slow and boring. I think their expectations were a bit off.

[@PulaskiSkater71]

I agree with you. According to xbox achievements, only 29% of players reached chapter 6 .

[@OfficialDaBeast]

I mean how much "slower" was it than the first game though? I didn't see any difference in pace until you were actually in your camp. I really don't understand the complaint

[@RevenantRonin]

Agreed man, I knew what I was getting in to when I started RDR2. I knew the pace was gonna be slow bc its telling an epic story over the course of like 80 hours. To me, the people who didn't enjoy this game are way too casual and just wanna shoot stuff constantly, or they have insane ADD and can't handle 10 minutes on horseback with not a lot going on. I think the gamers who love getting "immersed" in games and have an appreciation for a story that takes its time really have a lot to chew on with RDR2.

[@OfficialDaBeast]

@@RevenantRonin I mean it's not like you were thrown into action in the beginning sequences to RDR either. It took quite a few missions just to get your Dead Eye actually working. I loved both games, and honestly hope they could somehow pull off another Wild West game. I prefer RDR more realistic playstyle, and story telling over GTA's. RDR2 really and truly blew me away!

[@DarshUK1]

This comment is perfect, I’m on the “didn’t finish it because I got bored” side but I have no issues with people that loved it. So many comments here are toxic and insult anyone with a different view :/

[@natashacavata2415]

Pretty interesting discussion on the term 'beating the game'. I tend to use finish the game. It made me remember when I was a kid here in brazil many people would say 'save the game' instead. I think it has something to do with 'saving the world' saving the princess' etc.

[@Artotunion]

The percentage of players who have finished RDR2 is a moot point because there is no indication as to why they wouldn't have finished. Annectdotally, Persona 5 took me forever to finish because life got in the way, but I eventually did. The Witcher 3 took me forever to finish, because once I got to Ard Skellig I diverted from the story for exploration and check mark hunting. Also, I wouldn't say that nobody is talking about RDR2 as KZbin is filled with theory videos, gameplay videos, secret hunting videos, etc. (Much more than Assassin's Creed, at least in my experience).

[@bmxrideszach]

I love dad segment every week with Justin and CJ.

[@chriswy697]

Forza did NOT start on the 360, original was on the OG Xbox. Conker Reloaded, Fuzion Frenzy, Ninja Gaiden, & Crimson Skies were also OG Xbox titles

[@KrackDiesel]

This podcast's coverage of Red Dead Redemption 2 has been simply baffling to me. Liked the episode outside of that.

[@robnickerson7819]

Exactly

[@SpyderDan1985]

Everyone on this show is way off base most of the time. To each their own, I suppose.

[@shane-boy]

This has become my favourite podcast of late! Love the enthusiasm and energy you guys bring every week. SCOOP!

[@mannyjeanpierre4062]

Daemon is actually right upon listening to his logic. Evwn in the original you would go through the same areas, complwte the same puzzles and have the same story save a few exceptions. Always thought it was weird how I'd go through an area and then claire would have to do the same stuff to get through

[@AKARaygun64]

RDR2 is art and great art at that and they shouldn't change a thing. BUT what if they released a "gameyer" Undead Nightmare? I'm so there. Next October.

[@thefattmish]

Another great episode from another great cast. Super sweet to see your RE2 impressions and thoughts.

[@RainManRises]

Best game show on KZbin. Thanks daemon

[@marctut]

The best crew. Love that CJ is on the show now.

[@randybottas2435]

You four are my favourite Game Scoop panel line-up! Keep up the great content 👌

[@nallablack6391]

Red Dead Revival Set in 1920-21, Jack Marston returns to Beecher's Hope after serving during WW1. Jack attempts to live a quiet life rebuilding his parent's ranch, but finds the New Austin/West Elizabeth area has been effectively taken over by a brutal gang of bootleggers. That would be amazing.

[@OfficialDaBeast]

Somebody give this man a job

[@nallablack6391]

@@OfficialDaBeast Prohibition was passed and ratified in 1919, and the last of our soldiers didn't return from Europe until 1920, so the timeline works. It would be a lot like that Tom Hardy/Shia LaBouf movie Lawless. Brutal stuff. That's how I picture it, anyway.

[@auberginedreams00]

The problem with that is that the Wild West was non-existent by the 1920s. You can’t go any later and have it still be a cowboy game. Although a mafia game would be cool in the RDR universe.

[@RevenantRonin]

Yea I've thought about this scenario loosely even before RDR2 was out considering how the first one ended. I think it would be natural to play as Jack in another Red dead game but the question would be, what is the location and time period. The key would be doing something different enough that isn't just a retread of the previous two games. I like the idea of it being prohibition era but then we have cars and tommy guns and whatnot so its essentially not a western. I think you could get away with that time period but when you feature a major city it basically turns into their sister franchise GTA. I think keeping it out on the frontier and away from major civilization could keep the essence of red dead intact but they would be walking a fine line. I think a game that combined elements of red dead and GTA in to one game could be brilliant but super hard to pull off. If anyone can do it, it's rockstar.

[@AReed030188]

RE: Video Game 20 Questions. With the calendar creeping towards 2020 wouldn't it be wiser to start narrowing down the decade by asking if the game was made before/after 2000 first? This would effectively cut the timeline in half (1980-2020) and allow you to get to the proper decade in fewer questions.

[@mistrdevine]

Good job guys! I actually cheered and clapped when you got that 20 questions right.

[@mercilessmethod1088]

I just want a new Midnight Club.

[@kylehiller9181]

Same!

[@nintendad8168]

Cj - is it a first person shooter ? Daemon- no Cj- third person shooter ? Daemon- no Cj - do you shoot ? Daemon- yes Cj - It’s Ninja Gaiden !! Hahahaha love this guy

[@cjgibsononline]

Ryu shoots the Spear Gun!!! I just really wanted it to be Ninja Gaiden. :)

[@nintendad8168]

CJ Gibson hilarious 😂 seriously I hope you are a main stay at game scoop I think this crew is great . Also I love your perspective on gaming with kids I have 3 so the things you say hit home . So funny and thanks for reply

[@auberginedreams00]

Lol what? Doesn’t it have like a 97 on Metacritic?

[@SuperTanookiTV]

I vote the Turtles NES title theme be the permanent theme tune for Game Scoop. Such a banger.

[@RobertButler1]

What's the musical que they use on the interstitial at 22:50 ?

[@JamesOD91]

What a beautiful start to the week. Scoop!

[@nophoria]

I respect the correction you made to RE2 review Daemon! Though I can't shake the vibe that Jonathan was maybe bit too critical of KH3? Looking at everything it does well. The amount of polish and insane variety from the combat, bustling environments, music, activities.. and then everything is voiced well. Take a look at GameXplains review, it's a very convincing review. I've only played a few KH games and I'm not some typical hater of scores but that took me by surprise, not reaching even a 9 with what's on display. But that's just from the outside looking in of course.

[@skatedestroyp.f.k.6330]

RDR2 is an absolute MASTERPIECE-end of story....what an ABSOLUTELY EPIC TALE

[@melindamontgomery9337]

I have never heard anyone say “I rolled credits on ...” I usually say or hear “I finished....” or “ I finished playing ... Great show all!

[@Real_Sgt_Tom]

23:01 Eddie from Iron Maiden writes in to Game Scoop!

[@Griffnix]

I think the reason there is no more Advanced Wars is because it was primarily a Western game. Debuted in the West and Japan didn't get them till much later. Whereas Fire Emblem finally caught in the West with Awakening and reinvigorated the franchise. It's a shame because I am slowly playing theb first Advanced Wars game for the first time and it is a good game. Really looking forward to War groove.

[@DarshUK1]

Griffnix advance wars 2 is also really great, wargroove looks cool but hopefully they balance the game nicely

[@MartinezXArellano]

i really want a lets play series of daemon x machina titled: daemon x daemon

[@viktorragnemar9018]

Regarding the "Beat" conversation; I would guess it's a remnant from beating the highscore on arcades and Pinball etc.

[@NeonLeonNoel]

Great talk about indies! I love learning about what indies to learn about.

[@aaronjones6798]

To me the solution to long running franchises going off the rails is don't do a long running franchise, feel comfortable with ending an IP after so many games and you avoid the problem.

[@WheezyTsunami]

As someone who has played the game, it is an incredibly easy mistake to make and I don't fault you in the slightest. Thank you for the continually great content. We love you Daemon.

[@iXiClub]

Great episode, thanks guys :] Side note, Crackdown is definitely a shooter lol.

[@Titanicwasaninsidejob]

I appreciate Daemon humbly updating the review and score. The game of course deserves the corrected verdict.

[@PeterDB90]

I think the term "boss" in video games most likely refers to the ultimate bad-guy being the boss of all the other bad guys, and in that context, it makes sense. Bowser is the "boss" all the koopas, Zeus is the "boss" of all the other gods in the original God of War trilogy, and in turn all the other gods are also bosses of some other enemy type below them on the hierarchy. I think that term doesn't make sense only because everything else in the gaming world is referred to as from your character's perspective, so the confusion there is that he's not YOUR boss, but he is still A boss, and I think all things considered it's a good term in video games. I mean, what would the alternative be? The super ultimate bad guy?

[@garywhite4411]

CJ is such a great regular addition.

[@nintendad8168]

I’m not a huge horror game guy but this looks so freaking good I can’t wait to play it . It will be my first resident evil game . You convinced me !!

[@SecksyMan]

RE 2 is great, RE 7 is better.

[@Emanny28]

A lot of them are great, if you enjoy the story and lore try out resident evil 4 and code Veronica if you don’t mind the old tank controls

[@elp3035]

The counting of the saving has been going on since RE2 and Metal Gear. I've assumed that all video games have counted the amount of saves against you

[@jonathan8087]

to the dude who thought RDR 2 hurt the franchise. what are you smoking? it seems high grade.

[@RichardHannay]

I’m in Canada and I’ve never heard anybody pronounce “lambaste” the way CJ did... maybe it’s a Toronto feeling.

[@seoulcorpse]

That 20Q was legendarily hilarious.

[@DeskieFam]

You don't beat the DM in Dungeons & Dragons. But you DO beat the campaign.

[@dylandavidson7831]

Give me a Sadie Adler game! Set it between the main story and the epilogue.

[@hm-staingaming]

I have been married for 5 years. With 2 kids. I play games 4-5 hours a day. I manly play from 10pm to 2am or 3am. My wife has no problem with it al all. I work hard come home spend time with my family then play games. My wife doesn't get why other wifes get so mad over video games. She rather me be at home playing then be out of the house away from her.

[@Pedro_The_Neco]

Do you sleep??? I can't do that! I wake up before 6am and only get back home by 7pm! :(((

[@MisteMiner]

I love you Daemon but people have definitely not moved on/are all cool with it. Every time I turn around I see a new video on youtube about how IGN is an embarrassment now and they talk about the RE2 review, the ace combat review, and of course the dead cells review. Unfortunately people don't seem to like to cut big companies like IGN any slack.

[@mikekasabion]

He was joking lol. People have been giving him a super hard time about it, but I’m glad to see he’s taken it in stride

[@laverdieremath]

Hi Scoopers, does anyone know wher Mr Daemon gets hgis cool t-shirts?

[@draelmun6056]

Poor Daemon, I've read/watched a bunch of IGN hate because of the RE2 mishap. I love your personality and the kind of games you like. Hope it's true that IGN didn't punish you in anyway.

[@SecksyMan]

the hate is because IGN keeps making mistakes, lots of them.

[@Fonzflicks]

Nah, it improved on the original in every way. It just added more depth to the experience including how I see the first game now. The controls felt fine as I'm used to games like GTA and original Red Dead. The epilogue was fan service for people who liked the first game and ended the game on a good note compared to original. You leave this game thinking everyone will have a happy ending. People who played the original have the added layer of knowing it will all be taken away. RDR3 could be a prequel to RDR2. In Red Dead's case, sequels work backwards.

[@cheappyv5156]

Eddie from the Iron Maiden covers

[@therottenapplepk8881]

RDR2 is an amazing the game the issue is the Online its a totally different game.

[@dee85ist]

RDR2 didn't hurt it but i think it will make rockstar tweak and change a lot. It was praise graphically and somewhat narratively but not in gameplay, that's why it didn't win goty in the first place.

[@umiluv]

Omg... so true about gaming and young kids. It’s non-existent. 😩. You can get some in when they’re newborns since they’re sleeping most of the time but once they start only doing 1-2 naps a day, it feels impossible to get any gaming in. If you do, it’s because you’re neglecting a chore and you’ll pay for it later lol.

[@kevinmercier9904]

Thanks for the show!

[@gamescoop]

You're welcome!

[@jroark101]

As much as I love the GTA and RDR games, I think something brand new from this amazing studio could be something special

[@MegaTuber86]

As long as they stick to narrative driven games I will play anything from Rockstar.

[@RevenantRonin]

I would love to see their take on an sci fi setting/story

[@davidsean290]

Real nail biter at the end there. Good on Justin.

[@HoodedDude]

Awesome episode, thanks Daemon! And don't worry about the Resi2 thing, it was an honest mistake :)

[@vectorx7775]

Resident Evil 2 ! I got this incredible game on both Ps4 Pro and Xbox One X ! Looking forward to RE3 REmake !

[@epicwolf]

Sam always dress like he is in the 70’s

[@MrYTGuy1]

Why do we say beat a game and not say beat a movie or book? lol because you can't fail a movie or book. There is no aspect that depends on your luck or skill. Beating a movie just means you watched it. Beating a game means you've mastered the game mechanics good enough to complete it.

[@jimmyjay689]

Resident Evil has always graded u on how many saves u use....

[@Jannradio]

Just wait til RDR2 comes to PC, and it's popularity will skyrocket. The game was the best selling game of the year, and a 10/10 among most critics - no they didn't hurt the franchise lol.

[@Give_kitty_luv]

Got a SNES mini for Christmas. Introduced my 9 year old son to Mario World. Said he found it boring. Went back to playing Smash.

[@DarshUK1]

Shaun Cunliffe it’s okay, you might find old spectrum games boring :) it’s all relative

[@Give_kitty_luv]

Owned a Spectrum 128k pal. Loved it!!

[@harlowcreek]

gamescope> any other IGN podcast.

[@ValhallasChosen]

no no no, the grenade launcher was OP ... I had plenty of ammo for it especially towards the end and I had like 30 acid grenades going into some of the final encounters. Downs lickers in 1 hit too!

[@Garoth4582]

It doesn't always down them in one hit.

[@acquinn86]

Daemon, thank you for the awesome RE2 remake review! It's so damn good!

[@knineknights]

Didn't you guys ever use the term "clocked" the game?

[@gamescoop]

I've never heard that.

[@knineknights]

@@gamescoop Ask Sam please. I'm sure he would have. It meant completely finish a game, which used to be the case in earlier games when you got to the end.

[@Antycarr]

Bring back History of Awesome!

[@nintendad8168]

Cross code looks so good can’t wait

[@eaglechopper]

I'm still not done RDR 2 LOL, i'm near the end it looks like , but no it didn't hurt it IMO, now i wanna replay RDR 1 knowing what happens in 2

[@sskev247]

I am almost finish rdr2, and I have bought rsr1 lol can't wait to play it

[@Garoth4582]

Do reviewers think all gamers use guides? There are plenty of us who have always enjoyed games without any help. I'm not trying to be rude at all. I just wanted to comment because I've heard other people in the industry make similar comments.

[@Emanny28]

Gregory Joslin I think what they’re trying to explain since they’re trying to get a review out on time and at least try to complete as much as possible before the deadline, is that there are times that they get stuck and they can’t figure it out. If they do get to that point they can’t just go on KZbin for help cause there isn’t any guide out

[@Emanny28]

Gregory Joslin I remember the first time I heard a reviewer say this was for the witness but she also kind of made a party off it and had her co-workers and friends play the game together in the same room when she got to a certain point.

[@andyhoffman4286]

Child kibble! Rofl... choking on drink like CJ 😀

[@MR-gold-VR-b6j]

I like to play Majoras Ass.....

[@Horrorgins]

Love ya Daemon and the main menu UI and terminology used might have caught me out too... but you're really underselling what the second playthrough is. You have every right to ignore those overreacting to your slip up, but downplaying the portion you missed is a bit unfair.

[@gamescoop]

I didn't miss anything. I beat the game three times and there is a lot of overlap, both in Leon and Claire's first games and in the 2nd Game.

[@Horrorgins]

@@gamescoop Sure, I get you. Doing Claire A and Leon A then Leon B will definitely give strong feelings of deja vu, but I think going from one character's A then straight on to the other's B still feels like a fresh campaign. I wish Capcom had scrapped the ability to let either character do A and settled on a canon run to be honest.

[@irishalucard8448]

Totally agree with the overlap and how a lot can be the same. On the same note, there are differences such as cutscenes and areas you will never see or visit on the first play through.

[@nintendad8168]

Don’t feel bad for wanting to play kingdom hearts Sam it looks good . I never played a kingdom hearts game but I think I’m gonna go for it .

[@erickorduno3569]

Love CJ... but let’s get Tina in there too sometime :3

[@nintendad8168]

It kind of throws me off that red dead had a mixed reception but reviewed pretty much all 10s

[@RevenantRonin]

don't be fooled... most ppl love it. Its mixed at the table bc most of them don't really fancy it. Sam is kinda an anti rockstar guy since they represent a huge company and he's all about supporting the small guy. Justin admitted it really wasn't for him for whatever reason and Daemon really only likes a specific type of game so any number of things could have turned him off. I've learned to respect their opinions but at the same time I disagree a fair amount with them about certain games.

[@nintendad8168]

Yea true and everybody I know that played it loved it as well . Then I watch scoop and they scare me off of it a little . Cool good to know I haven’t played cause god of war and Spider-Man stole my time .

[@RevenantRonin]

@@nintendad8168 I think if you have appreciation for video games as a medium or a form of art than its hard not to marvel at RDR2.

[@nintendad8168]

Alex McLaren yea I do and I think I will love RDR2 . Everybody I know has loved it so I’m looking forward to it . Also I’m gonna give stardew valley another shot i really wanted to like it

[@SpyderDan1985]

Red Dead 2 is a masterpiece and I don't understand the griping.

[@justingass5543]

Best game scoop cast

[@anthonyatom]

One of the better games of 20 questions I've seen. Clutch win lol

[@rockstarTraveler]

I would buy RDR3. I love the Old West and I had fun with RDR2 (i'm one of the few who beat it, apparently). That being said, I think Rockstar should focus on a new Bully game!

[@jackapplebaum5678]

Awesome shirt Daemon.

[@Not_Liquid]

5 to 10 hours a week is literally nothing lol. That poor guy...

[@dschool86]

20 questions is proof they lean too far toward Nintendo and Sony

[@RobbyGood1]

You rock Daemon! You're way cooler than most humans...but still human nonetheless...lol SCOOP!

[@Muz__27]

Love ya Daemon!

[@justinhatch1709]

People are impatient with red dead online,

[@Superb_Legend]

You mean Did red dead online hurt the franchise.

[@cheappyv5156]

the remake doesn't even have spiders or proper plants? does it even have the moth? so lame, it basically only has 3 types of enemies

[@Slumpenstein]

Why you have to bring up the Chiefs game Daemon... smh Us Kansas City folk are trying to move on! lol

[@nintendad8168]

Sports fans watch sports center all day long the same highlights . I also watch the bachelor with my wife lol I say game with no shame it’s the same as watching sports or a movie .

[@guip1408]

How can CJ be so horrible at 20 questions? lol