Did Something Stalk Miners in the Valley of Headless Men?

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Nahanni National Park Preserve in Canada is a beautiful river valley cut through the lower Mackenzies, but it's famous for its dark secrets. For centuries the natives of the region have told stories of shadowy figures moving in the woods, disappearing tribes, and half human monsters living betwixt the crags and canyons of the 11,600sq mile park. In the 20th century, legend turned to gruesome reality with the unexplained deaths of multiple prospectors and trappers working the region. Were they victims of simple misfortune, or of something far more sinister? Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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0:00 - Intro
1:22 - FUM Ad
4:00 - The Nahanni Region
17:57 - The Lost McLeod Mine

[@TheLoreLodge]

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[@sasha1mama]

For the dozenth time, an umlaut (ü) is an "oo" sound. No, I don't care how the company wants you to pronounce it - they're *wrong.* "Foom", not "fume"! Gods' teeth...

[@gabrielsfilms2086]

I literally have never vaped and never plan to, but like that product seems cool- like mate your going to get me *into* vaping

[@gabrielsfilms2086]

@@sasha1mama gods teeth??? thats a new phrase for me

[@MichaelVachon-us4ie]

As a part Iroquois , I love your history is so precious to me ... the people of the turtle 🐢 salute you Mad Dog , go........🦅

[@MichaelVachon-us4ie]

I'm in the same boat , I quit pot months ago , if I didn't have cigs , I'd go crazy , but Fum seems like it would help I like favors 🤔

[@Stickweasel91]

Documenting the legendary laziness and incompetence of the Canadian Mounted Police, dating back to over 100 years ago.

[@bendavenport4136]

But, but I was told that the Mounties always get their man!

[@BBW_2024]

@@bendavenport4136lol yes the men in bright red uniforms riding a 1,000-pound manure machine will track down criminals.

[@Poetessa2]

@@bendavenport4136 They absolutely do!! As long as their man turns himself in and delivers himself to the station. Even then it's 50/50 whether they actually believe him and arrest him. They hate filling out paperwork and......working.

[@DAVIDMcDonald-uf2ep]

@@bendavenport4136they do, provided the man has already been caught by a different police force (Municipal, Provincial, or the police of a different country), or they are being forced to do their work by the government (a rarity)

[@DAVIDMcDonald-uf2ep]

The Royal Newfoundland Constabulary is more effective then the RCMP

[@PandorasFolly]

I once was told by a customs/dea agent that the Mountys were the least imaginative group of human beings he had ever met. "Its like how all Marines tend to look just alike. These guys couldn't even see there was a box to think outside of. Nice folks some of them are even smart. Just don't expect an original thought to happen anywhere within a 200yard radius of them."

[@-Reagan]

We’re not paying them to think! 😆

[@alrightsure9941]

@@-Reagan they dont do anything well

[@jxn1056]

😅😂

[@mistrjt9213]

They seem to come up with the laziest explanations for things.

[@joelspaulding5964]

They serve only their dark, tyrannical master in Ottawa. No questions asked. Charter of Rights and Freedoms? Pffft🙄

[@rustyheckler8766]

To me, "Valley of headless men" sounds like an 80s experimental concept band.

[@Off-HandedBarrel]

Headless skeletons

[@gamingmoyai3950]

Skeletonless heads

[@fishbone6202]

Devil music lol

[@ChunkyJo]

They've opened for Cannibal Corpse and GWAR before 🤣

[@jessiesratrods1210]

It sounds like a good name for a Black metal album. Like I could see Path or Emperor doing an album called that.

[@chaseh.1337]

Hi, Métis person here (Cree and Scottish mostly from Alberta, Canada). I absolutely love your indigenous history segments at the beginning of each video it's my favourite part, barely any non-Native people ever bother to talk abt it so I greatly appreciate it. I just wanted to give one small correction, Métis is not pronounced like may-tis like you were saying, it's a French word so you don't pronounce the s and its more like may-tee. Other than that amazing video !!

[@spoonfulofshimmer]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he does pronounce it correctly, at least at 52:55!

[@TheLoreLodge]

I pronounced it that way the first time around and people said I was wrong 🥲

[@chaseh.1337]

@@TheLoreLodge yes, my comment was a tad premature lol I made it at the beginning before I got that far into the video 😂 I think your history segments are so incredibly important, not enough people care about our history like you do, so thank you and don't ever stop

[@metalk1tt3n]

@@TheLoreLodge damned if you do damned if you don't XD keep up the good work, loving the fact theres people that still do investigative journalism.

[@tasiastroet987]

Because Métis is a French word and French is kinda the worst, both pronunciations are right, it depends on context/the gender of who or what you're talking about. When the person is a man, it's pronounced may-tee, the masculine pronunciation. When the métis person is a woman, it's pronounced may-tis, the feminine form of the word (which is also typically spelled métisse). That being said, most anglophones say may-tee without differentiating, because English doesn't have gendered adjectives the way French does. @@TheLoreLodge

[@jrbaxterstockman548]

I wonder if folklore like this are examples of the ladder experiment. Scientists took a group of monkeys and had them living in a test area together, with a ladder in the middle. If any monkey ever climbed the ladder to the top, cold water would be sprayed from the ceiling. Rather unpleasant for all the monkeys. As a result monkeys in the group would refuse to climb the ladder. The scientists began replacing monkeys with new monkeys. When a new monkey would begin to climb the ladder, one of the monkeys living there long enough to know would stop them. When they kept swapping out new monkeys, the monkeys who were told by the original group not to climb the ladder would stop any new monkeys from climbing the ladder. Eventually, no original monkeys remained. The sprayer machine had been turned off long ago. Yet monkeys who had never climbed the ladder themselves or even seen what would happen should a monkey climb to the top. In a sociological sense, it shows how this behavior in other social animals can take shape. A folklore about a monster no one has ever seen, and there hasn't been a story of a sighting in a generation could be an actual threat at one point if its origin was in truth.

[@forrestfey]

On the Swedish island of Öland there is remains of an old settlement from around the time the Roman empire collapsed. To this day children get told that it is not a good place to play and to stay away. Archaeologists got told by locals that it is a bad and scary place. The archaeologists found out that it was a place of a massacre where every inhabitant including the children had been killed. The event had been forgotten but not the horror.

[@kendrajones-devol9348]

Oh friend - you should look into the epigenetic research done on mice and the smell of cherries. Same concept as the ladders, but without the monkeys to teach each other. TLDR: even grand baby mice that had never smelled cherries could be operantly conditioned to salivate at the smell of fresh cherries just by old grandad mouse being conditioned before having offspring. We don’t even need to be taught fear, just our ancestors experiences and our genes are good enough.

[@franminanicollier9431]

While the story has value, the Five Monkeys Experiment is considered a piece of folklore that never actually happened. Though, I was taught in high school psych class that it did.

[@franminanicollier9431]

​@@forrestfeyreminds me of the temple of Nodens from The Great God Pan by Arthur Machen. It must be one of the scariest stories I've read.

[@aphapppaa]

This is something I was wondering myself. Did any of the natives living in the area go missing during the years these other disappearances happened ? Or were they simply afraid of the valley because of something that apparently happened generations ago. On the other hand I can easily believe there was someone out there up to no good simply because it definetily wouldn't be something new for the american frontier era. People going out Into the wildnerness to prey on others in the hopes of easy gains assuming their deeds would never be solved because of the remote locations or possibly never be discovered in the first place. The whole head chopping thing sounds a bit extreme for common outlaws though. As a sidenote wonder if the horror movie bone tomahawk somehow draws inspiration from these events.

[@pablowentscobar]

I can picture it in my head, for like 150 years, every time someone reports a crime to the RCMP, the officer jams his fingers in his ears and goes "La la la I can't hear you la la la what huh lala la" until the person reporting the crime gets frustrated and walks away.

[@moirarussell1950]

John Cleese in role of Mounty.. I see it too

[@xanethestrange7659]

RCMP are just overgrown children LMAO

[@pablowentscobar]

@@moirarussell1950 Yup, perfect.

[@Poetessa2]

Wow! So, you've clearly tried reporting a crime to them, eh? They only joined for the cool uniform and the musical ride, that's the only reason I considered it! lol Thanks for the giggle!!

[@CanadianTehGamer]

That's pretty much what they do.

[@RuttlesRepair]

I am a direct descendent of the Dehcho people and I absolutely love the recognition you give aboriginal people in your videos it earned you a sub actually! And to hear this story come from you just puts it into perspective over other channels versions of it, funny thing is I know herb Norwegian he’s watched me grow up he’s my fathers best friend and trapping partner! So cool to see this! in my family’s language mahsi Cho! Which means thank you!

[@RuttlesRepair]

I actually call herb and his brother Joe uncle haha

[@TheLoreLodge]

That’s so cool! I’d love to hear from him or even have him on the show to talk about it if he’s interested. Directly speaking with older members of these tribes and nations are our best hope at preserving their stories for future generations :)

[@davemccage7918]

1900s: Young men took a trip up a dangerous river, hiked through treacherous wilderness filled with hostile animals, all to find a potential source of income. 2020s: Young men can’t even get out of bed and go to work on time…

[@rydz656]

Always letting white people tell our stories.

[@TeaMollie11]

​@@davemccage7918Thank you very much but i do

[@JE4-1]

There are so many secrets hidden in Nahanni about human settlements from 40 '000 to 50' 000 years ago. It’s a mysterious, wonderful, beautiful place. I was born in Whitehorse, Yukon. I spent my childhood in Watson Lake with my Grandparents in the summer. I was honored to be allowed on a hunt with the local boys in the Nahanni Valley. I've never been in a land so wondrous as this place. Massive mountains and massive cliffs that tease with a certain vertigo feeling as you look over the edge. We got 5 caribou, 2 moose and a black bear. Most of the meat we harvested was donated to the older first nation people who couldn't hunt for themselves. I'll never forget my experience in the Nahanni Valley. I never felt so big and so small at the same time. It was the best summer of my life!

[@stoptrudeau42]

Jealous af love moose!!

[@biglootums5243]

What an honor! I can't even imagine what it must be like to see in person.

[@-Reagan]

So, you were hunting for sport on lands the natives still use for food. How generous of you to “donate” the meat you weren’t going to eat, from animals you didn’t need to kill, on land that isn’t yours to the people who would have taken care of their own elders, anyway.

[@alrightsure9941]

@@-Reagan you are dense

[@jxn1056]

Sounds amazing! Thank you for sharing ❤ God Bless you for donating the meat! ❤ it!

[@SkySailor75]

I see the Mounties reputation as careless and incompetent is spreading. All true, btw.

[@joanmayer304]

And going on for much longer than any of us thought, since they were North West Mounted Police! 🇨🇦

[@lc9072]

It really isn't. Thousands upon thousands of cases and just a few cherry picked examples of them failing.

[@SkySailor75]

@@lc9072 The Marshall Iwassa case, the east coast mass killer, who they knew was a violent person with illegal guns, and did nothing to stop him, Robert Pickton, the missing and murdered indigenous women, Bart Schlyer, who the were to lazy to look for, the $30 million drug bust thrown out because of a corrupt Mountie, the High River gun grab... and those are just the examples that I can name at the drop of a hat. How many other unknown, un-publicized cases are there where they did nothing, or did it so incompetently as to be laughable.

[@MegaWennieHutJR]

@@lc9072not a few at all, it’s a widespread problem, so quit excusing their behavior and demand some fucking effort

[@mckenzie.latham91]

it’s not a careless or incompetence problem, though that does exist in never group and aspect of society the issue is that the Mounty training is not designed to nurture or encourage thinking outside the box, it is literally by the book and or protocol only and this almost always is actually useless in practical terms.

[@sterlingwilkes3240]

It was me, my bad

[@bowlingpin3092]

Oh, all good man we all make mistakes

[@Ben-xv2lt]

This should have more likes

[@noxnox2]

Aw come on man we talked about this ya gotta stop

[@secretformulathief910]

How could you 💔

[@hrthrhs]

Can you not!?

[@JPFanBoy2]

Lodge Team: I will always listen to the history segment.

[@dmonvisigoth1651]

True fan.

[@kiriliri]

honestly its always just as interesting as the case, if not moreso

[@melgibsonafter5beers329]

Second

[@lakesidesusan6745]

Love the history part!

[@vv-te8cb]

48:45 I think it's crazy that "You know that one tree in the middle of the woods by that cabin? Let's go there, whoever arrives first carves a stick figure and we'll go from there" used to be a viable way to communicate.

[@jfangm]

It still is for people who know an area well.

[@tylerlewis9984]

Those guys heads weren't removed to hide the victims identities who goes through the effort of chopping off someone's head but leaving them in their cabin with their belongings. This is a trophy thing or something very very personal

[@user-qo3yh8yk8m]

Or some kind of a message

[@tylerlewis9984]

@@user-qo3yh8yk8m it's not impossible but I view that as very unlikely because if someone is sending message they need some sort of motivation. The only two scenarios I can think of where this would be someone sending a message is if it was 1 natives who are basically just saying get off our land or 2 someone already knew about that prospect and was basically sending that message saying stay off my claim. The second one is fairly conspiratorial because there's nothing to suggest anyone else was already working that prospect

[@user-qo3yh8yk8m]

@@tylerlewis9984 unfortunately i dont think we will know anything more about this, the old data and poor information and bad police work forever sealed these cases as unsolved.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Nha I will still think is for identification The area is NOT visited regularly, so the msot likly to find bodies first are coincidental travelers Finding just a body withouth a head? Get out, cool story. After all the rest found the bones and where iddntify by some of the belonging or writing. So the killer did not care or didnt know the writing. The priority is stop other to go where thos one did. There is culture where taken head is tradition but that was south americain the north the closest wss scalping, but even that was european introduce by head hunters as goverment paid cetlements to "defend their conquest land given by the crown" So taken a Whole head does not much. As for warnings, a head in a pike has been the most common and simple way for centuries.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

There are only two possibilities if we remove identification as a MO 1. trophies (maybe a serial killer who may have lived in the area for a time and prayed on the lone or small groups of people coming through there) 2. Religious action the same way the Aztecs for example would take the heart

[@UnixGwen]

I’ve gotten hypothermia in 50F weather. I was a kid with my family, and we underestimated a hike into a backpacking site in the Grand Tetons, and we all got hypothermia by the time we set up in camp - we were warm while still hiking, but as soon as we stopped, our body temps dropped and we’d run out of internal nutrients to be able to generate heat from within. Fortunately, we were able to get a fire going and dinner ready before we succumbed to it. But I remember Mom trying to keep us kids warm with so many sleeping bags on top of us and all cuddled together and still shivering unbearably and her not letting me to go sleep while Dad got dinner ready. Hypothermia is not about the temperature being freezing, it’s about your body unable to warm up.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Dude if they both fell in the river, it would have caused hypothermia the one guy drowned, the other most likely pulled himself out of the water and died from hypothermia from the cold and wet before he reached the cabin they might have gone to fetch water, bathe, maybe even fish but the only thing i can’t understand is why they left their packs and gear, let alone weapons at the cabin

[@ragnardanneskjold7675]

@@mckenzie.latham91 precisely.

[@dogmomma4019]

The opening statement about there being something about gold, I have been a gold miner since the year 2000 in the richest district of the California gold rush. I can say with absolute certainty. Gold fever is a very real phenomenon.

[@orionsnecrosis7698]

The wife and I are actually in the process of quitting vaping with füm thanks to finding out about them on your videos. They came in yesterday.

[@ryoung4529]

Let me/us know if they work! I have seen em around and want to quit smoking for sure.

[@ferguson8143]

The wife and I quit cigarettes and then stopped vaping around a year or so ago as I don't remember the exact days as I never keep count

[@orionsnecrosis7698]

@@ryoung4529 it seems to be going well, they helped step back by taking like 5 hits off the fum then a hit off the vape to avoid cold Turkey, but we are already down to just the fum for fidgeting and that feeling of taking a hit

[@kingofhearts3185]

Hope it's worked out well for you orion.

[@colbyley7008]

4:10 your videos have single handedly taught me more about the Native origins of my own country than I learned in my entire 12 years of schooling

[@AJadedLizard]

I'm not sure if you're an American, but if you are I'm not surprised. We never even covered World War II in any history class I had up to college.

[@219cem]

@@AJadedLizardUhhh…what? Where did you go to school? In my school district we were taught about WWII in elementary, middle, and high school.

[@AJadedLizard]

@@219cem We always got up to the Depression and then "ran out of time." It used to frustrate me to no end; I did my own research because the school system was absolutely not going to, which explains a lot about the dumbass things a lot of my classmates believe as adults.

[@219cem]

@@AJadedLizard Hahaha yeah, I can see that. Well at least you had some intellectual curiosity that led you to learn it for yourself! Unfortunately, that is sorely lacking in this country 😒

[@AJadedLizard]

@@219cem For sure.

[@amgoudman]

There's a book called Legends of the Nahanni Valley that you might like to check out. I have to admit that I haven't read it, but the author, Hammerson Peters, is my cousin 😀

[@jamesknapp64]

His KZbin channel is worth checking out

[@BeetleBuns]

love his work, and Legends of the Nahanni Valley is my favorite.

[@louyou6614]

shame on you buddy for not reading your cousinn book

[@TheTudeDude]

So no head ?

[@garywinthrop6828]

Not this time

[@RealBradMiller]

🤭

[@Cheesingabout]

only if you find one

[@DUKEHadToDoItToEm]

F in chat for all the headless men of past and present. I'm presently headless 😢

[@deaththrown3613]

🥺🥺🥺

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

So in the middle of literally striking gold one guy gets the heebeejeebees and bails on them…and then the rest of the crew end up in a Lore Lodge video. That was one very perceptive fella. He just knew.

[@wallymcshifty]

Murdock McCloud is such a gangster name

[@sammclaren6021]

Geography student here… meltwater pulse 1A is likely the cause of the younger dryas, not a comet as you said When cold freshwater entered the ocean from meltwater pulse 1A (probably from Glacial Lake Agassiz) it would have decreased the salinity of the oceans, which would have disrupted the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation . This circulation keeps higher latitudes in the Northern Atlantic warmer by bringing warmer waters up from the equator - at least it does provided cold saline water from the northern hemisphere is dense enough to sink deep under the ocean The influx of fresh glacial meltwater likely disrupted this, causing colder waters to be less saline and therefore less dense, pushing AMOC into a cold cycle and cooling the Northern Hemisphere which allowed glacial readvance. When glaciers advance, it’s pretty difficult to stop them advancing, as glaciers reflect more solar radiation which further cools the Earth and lets them advance further. They only stop advancing when enough CO2 builds up in the atmosphere to counteract this through the greenhouse effect The meteor theory isn’t necessarily wrong but the evidence for it is very inconsistent and the meltwater theory is much more likely based on current ocean dynamics and other previous evidence of rapid climate change It could also be due to volcanism, but again we don’t really know This has literally no relevance to the video but I think it’s interesting…

[@joeaquilino19]

Umm hmm 😒 🤔 man those higher learning places just got all you beating that global warming drum 🥁? Remember when it was the ozone layer or you too young for that. Keep voting blue leftardo.

[@thebigstinky8047]

Speaking from personal experience the lust for Gold makes people strange. Even just seeing a little dust will make people lose sense of themselves and become greedy. Lots of hard work and a life of looking over your shoulder

[@EPWillard]

i seem to remember a study which showed people who have large amounts of money(around double the local cost-of-living) experience brain damage in certain sections of the brain in a similar pattern to football players who experienced repeated head injuries.

[@Nai_101]

@@EPWillard Fascinating.

[@akaku9]

@@EPWillard Yeah... I've scoured medical websites for about 20 minutes searching just about every related key word I can think of... Nothing's coming up.

[@Nai_101]

@@akaku9 Can't say I found anything of note, either.

[@sunuvliberty_III]

Thanks, Aidan, you’ve answered a query that has had me vexed for quite some time. I always wondered if there was anything dumber than a mounty hat. Now, I know the answer to that question is, “yes, the man under the mounty hat.”

[@AJadedLizard]

The Mounties have a weird combination of being astonishingly inept and actively malicious. They will absolutely leave you for dead in the wilderness if rescuing you poses even the slightest inconvenience to them, and if you're not in danger they will absolutely violate your rights like they're the NKVD.

[@biglootums5243]

Remember reading about Nahanni years and years ago and finally seeing some quality youtube coverage on it has been really cool.

[@budgreenjeans2001]

Link please

[@codsworth9950]

@@budgreenjeans2001 They’re talking about this video…

[@trentblackwell6203]

I would think by now someone would of got a group to go out that way but haven’t happened yet

[@TopsyTriceratops]

The fear I feel when the natives are said to have been terrified of their surroundings, in their own territory, to a point of fleeing without the permission of the man who commissioned them, Henderson is immense. It might as well be the same eerie sensation in which everything goes silent when you're in the middle of the forest. Everything else that lives there KNOWS something is wrong, and you are the only one who is hopelessly unaware. It's like the chill I got from the horror/ thriller movie, Predator. The Native American tracker, Billie, admits that he is terrified because he understands whatever is out there is beyond him and his comrades. And this is just one guy (granted, it is a work of fiction but I've ALWAYS imagined Native Americans as resourceful and brave), imagining a whole group of people so good with the land being scared of something somehow there yet unknown is horrifying.

[@Quincy_Morris]

Don’t be a coward. Everyone dies.

[@bloodyneptune]

Prospectors, hunters, trappers, everyone that died or went missing seem to be _taking_ from the area. And it seems to have stopped since they started only letting people go there for research or fun

[@tikimillie]

Do you think it would be possible to make a deal with the spirits?

[@spyrofrost9158]

Bigfoot wants his gold, consarn it!

[@bold810]

Yes, but the Corkage fee was notable. 🎉

[@bold810]

​@@tikimillieI do. Every time I drink Bacardi. 😊

[@bold810]

Well, THAT'S a big tent, maing. 😅

[@thenecessaryevil2634]

There's a wilder theory that is on shakier ground that the Naha, traveled a LOT further south and became the Nahuatl(aztecs)

[@jordanjacobs691]

It just so happens valley of headless men also relates to Canadian parliament

[@gern7535]

What a coincidence. It relates to the US Congress too!

[@Leah-br6xu]

provincial government too I’m sure.

[@suis1822]

I personally love the history segments, hard to explain but its so fascinating to learn about it

[@evilchrisdar]

So much native American history is overlooked or even dismissed. it's nice to see it highlighted. It also adds a good background to the rest of the video.

[@rdh2059]

Regarding the perpetual snow, in 536, an eruption occurred that did much of what you referred to in the Greenland incident. It's hypothesized that the volcano was Krakatoa, which is notorious for violent eruptions and is very active even today... That event is known to cause serious problems all over the world.

[@forrestfey]

That could be the origin of the Fimbulwinter (a three year winter) that the vikings belived came before the end of the world, Ragnarök.

[@mychaela6456]

I don’t know how anyone skips over that beautifully thorough a history section because damn 🥵..😅

[@Kingdeathtrooper]

Because I want to hear the facts, not the same ghost story told by different people.

[@trashjash]

I always love the regional history and native cultural segments at the start of these videos. It's fascinating to learn about the actions and beliefs of the people who walked these lands decades to hundreds to thousands of years ago. That being said, I have my next destination for when I go on my next camping road trip. Thanks guys!

[@misfits9294]

If you show up dead and headless a couple years from now, we'll know what happened! (joking stay safe)

[@SkySailor75]

I hope your car has wings... there are no roads into the Nahanni valley. Plane, small boat or canoe are the only ways in. Or I suppose you could walk in.

[@HateTheGameTX]

Go bar drinking in Pittsburgh

[@musclemannnnn]

Both ways wildmen or monsters is absolutely terrifying, imagine feeling watched, but you find gold, you ignore that feeling. Then you're around a fire. You hear something just beyond the light, then you dead

[@theredqueen2283]

I'm from Northern British Columbia just below this region and we see the huge rivers and vast endless mountain, so much could be out there and city people can't even begin to understand how vast it all is, nahanni valley is terrifying and I'm used to the out doors in canada my whole life

[@mrsNmrs-iam]

I love that you are willing to go into these topics and not just take the first source at face value and actually dig into all the sources they pulled from and further. It's something so many people don't even know to do now. The fact you also revisit topics you've covered before with new data really shows your growth and allows your audience to learn and grow with you. We need more history majors on KZbin.

[@squitten.]

I just wanted to let you know that my husband and I tried your coffee and loved it! He immediately asked me to buy more so now we have another bag on the way. Just thought you’d wanna know and if anyone is on the fence about it, definitely give it a try!

[@MsMtheory]

If anyone gets an Indian "pass" it's you haha , this is me the Cree women from Canada ❤ (I don't speak for all Indians obviously, but I love very much your dedication to our (all natives ppls not just Cree) culture and the explanations and awesome research you do!

[@TheLoreLodge]

Haha I appreciate it

[@Tallen79]

@msmtheory since you mentioned it I wanted to tell a quick story. A Native American guy I know who owned my favorite gun store in southern New Mexico once used the term "Indian" and I asked him about it. He said if Aliens came and conquered earth and then argued about what to call us in their language would I really care? He then said Native American was fine but if I wanted to be polite ask the tribe because he was Apache, not Indian or Native American, or Indigenous Peoples, those would always be something other people called him.

[@MsMtheory]

@@Tallen79 Yesssss! Exactly ❤️

[@maxrockatanksyOG]

We got stalked by something for 5 days on a Deer/ Pig hunt, Great Dividing Range in NSW, Oz, 1999. Something would throw rocks (maybe 2-5kg in weight), and we would hear large saplings being snapped (probably 3" in diameter), for hours on end, so.etimes close, sometimes the sapling snaps sound away's away. 4 of us were ex ADF (Army), yet none of us had ever been that scared; we barely slept those 5 days, we would nod off constantly as we were all trying to keep watch. It wasnt until the evening of day 5, that Will ("Billy the Kid"), let a few rounds of .308 off randomly into the bushes, were we left alone. The 5 of us all went into the bush 100 meters deep, about 10m apart, and found not a thing; bar a snapped Ecualypt sapling. No blood, just a snapped tree. We never bagged a Deer or Pig, and for those 5 days, the almost 30km we walked, the bush was dead silent; didnt even see a Roo, Wallaby- nothing. 3 of the lads i was with that week, have wanted to go back, i gave them a resounding "fuck no!". People try & explain everything; sometimes shit cannot be explained & ahould be left the fuck alone...

[@jacobault2264]

Was whatever it was more then 1 and did anyone get a look at what was doing this that doesn't sound fun at all thank God you guys made it out imagine how many never made it out of the woods

[@mckenzie.latham91]

this is why if I go camping, i go with at least two other people, my hunting dog and armed.

[@Bec-Fearn]

Perhaps your group was being stalked by another person or group?

[@makenzierose2099]

Honestly, I love the fact that you give information on the native people, folklore, and history of the areas these cases take place in/around. The fact that these cases revolve so heavily around the history of the area is incredible. It really helps give some context that not a lot of creators give!

[@samirish6696]

The fellow that was found with his handgun nearby and cocked was almost certainly in some manner of confrontation or "bump in the night" situation when he passed. Earing back the hammer on a handgun suggests an imminent need to shoot.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

the other brother had booby-trapped his rifle as well, meaning they were expecting someone to try and take it

[@PenumbranWolf]

I'm wondering if this wasn't a Scooby Doo sorry of deal. Somebody heard the legends of the Naha and decided they were a good way to scare away rivals or get rid of people they didn't like.

[@codafett]

That's exactly what it sounds like. This was an organized effort to keep people away from the gold

[@Quincy_Morris]

And they got away with it because there were no meddling kids!

[@ScornedState]

Oooo boi, if anyone asks I wasn’t there

[@SpotlightSpenser]

Oh yes you were.

[@the_real_goose.]

@@SpotlightSpensernuh uh

[@bradleydavidson4948]

@@the_real_goose.why did it have me translate this?

[@nonyabidness6492]

Liar!

[@the_real_goose.]

@@bradleydavidson4948 no clue

[@bored7743]

You’re so amazing dude. I can just lay on my couch, stare at the ceiling, and listen to this. Pure bliss.

[@martinharris5017]

Awesome: I get native American history AND the Younger Dryas event in one talk. And that's before we get down to the main topic. Thanks guys. Good work as always. My opinion? I think someone wanted to scare competition away from the area, so they beheaded these guys to kickstart a myth and a sense of dread and mystery about the place.

[@MF-le7fp]

I recently watched the movie “Bone Tomahawk”, on one of the streaming services, and I think the writers loosely based the movie on the legend of this valley. Fair warning...if you seek out, and view this movie, it has one of the most brutal, and extremely graphically violent scenes in it that I have ever seen depicted in ANY movie. Aside from that, I enjoyed this video. Thanks 👍

[@randallsavage13]

This would be a great place for a prey/predator movie sequel based back in the 1900s

[@dawsonduke3333]

I'm so glad you guys are covering this! Ever since I heard of the Valley of Headless Men I've been interested in it.

[@skitykittycat]

I love your videos, Aidan, seriously! It’s incredibly refreshing to have someone be genuinely open minded to otherworldly explanations for phenomena while still being extremely rational and grounded. I’m a Norse Pagan, so I also love your inclination for Norse mythology, among other subjects. I’m consistently doubting and pathologising my spiritual and religious experiences out of a fear of being “crazy” or irrational. I also really love and appreciate the history segments, I’ve learned so much about Native American history and culture than the U.S. education system ever has taught me! I also know that I can trust your content because of how thorough you are and your commitment to correct any mistakes or misinformation. Wendigoon has now bumped down to my 2nd favourite KZbinr cause you’re for sure #1!

[@Kingdeathtrooper]

Believe it or not, the education system does not exist to cater to flights of fancy and personal interest, but to instill general knowledge and test aptitudes; Specialization in a personal interest is what college is for.

[@stinkyfingers1617]

This is easily one of the best channels on KZbin IMO. Shout out from Lancaster, PA. You’re killing it dude

[@captainexcabier]

These stories remind me a lot of stories from the Superstition Mountains in Arizona, and of the so-called "Lost Dutchman's Mine." That's something else it would be interesting to see you look into, and maybe to compare and contrast.

[@JasonWorkman]

Came here to say that. It's Apache territory which is one of the Dene satellite groups. It also has a long history of dead gold seekers that turn up headless. Coincidence?

[@cuprite3430]

I’m very impressed how you navigate the theories of different “sorts” of groups with respect for native people/the groups of the areas you talk about. Like you never make it seem dehumanizing as far as I can tell. I also really like how you start your videos with information about native history or culture. It’s so interesting and it’s information most people never learn about, it’s really such a shame that we aren’t taught more about it.

[@Kingdeathtrooper]

Why is it a shame to not have what is useless information for most forced upon us? The people who show interest in a unique topic can seek it out. Is it also a shame you aren't forced to learn about 1920's film techniques?

[@DustinManke]

Just a theory about the man putting a trip wire on his rifle inside the cabin. Maybe he knew someone or something was after him and thought well, the one thing someone might steal after they kill me is my rifle, and then decided to set it up to where if someone killed him and tried taking his rifle they would be caught in some sort of trap. I dunno.

[@MrVlad12340]

Actually very logical. If he knew that something or someone wanted to rob him... Or if that someone would sneak in and try to use his gun against him he would trap the rifle, to make sure the sneak-thief would get shot when they attempt their shenanigans.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

That is exactly what that is for, there’s a story somewhere about some Australians who sed to booby trap their rifles in store houses cause the aborigines would steal them to sell off or use.

[@Quincy_Morris]

Makes sense. The first thing an intruder would go for is the rifle.

[@NativeLogicise]

Love the videos on the Nahani river valley. Metis is pronounced like May-tee

[@drew_mb]

I was looking for this

[@joanmayer304]

@@drew_mb me too! 🇨🇦

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

Like a pirate says it? Matey?

[@habhdyst722]

Oh no, an English speaker mispronounced a non english word 🙄🤡

[@joangarnier1331]

@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD Love it!

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Oh man, I love this Nahanni River Valley stuff. That valley just keeps giving and giving the more it takes away.

[@rorygal2991]

Your level of dedication to tracking down primary sources (or as close as you can get) has earned you a subscriber ♥️ Thank you for having such journalistic integrity and using it to teach people how to vet sources 🤘🏻 *chef's kiss*

[@ryankrelic971]

What happens if someone eats the flavoring stick, asking for a friend? It is time sensitive though.

[@stoptrudeau42]

Just continue to vote for Biden. All is goodb

[@robertzaborowski4656]

The wife and I passed threw there in 1998. ... She didnt disappear , nor did she lose her head. It was a wasted trip ..

[@brrrayday]

I've never once skipped the history segment. Now I know weird things such as various language groups of the Sierra Nevada

[@joshuapatrick682]

29:45 lol, that’s so RCMP! Never change you guys..

[@mckenzie.latham91]

How do you do an investigation Into a 2-3 year old case Where the bodies are Skelton's and all phsycial evidence is long gone or contamianted Where there are no witnesses Where your own guides won't even stay in the area cause of superstition? How do you investigate a murder or crime scene where the cabin or scene of crime has been burnt and burned months to years ago? How do you trace bullets in the 1900's before ballistics and lab techs existed? And how do you investigate murders when the locals tell you ghosts and or goblins are responsible? How do you investigate bodies that have been burnt, skeletonized and are without heads With no murder weapons and all of the victoms effects left where they were (meaning you could never prove someone robbed an or killed someone, even if you caught someone) So pelase explain to us what the RCMP could have done. Now the 2005 case is different, that is definitely on them But anything from the early 1900's to mid 70's Was impossible to investigate and would have been waste of time and money.

[@AlbertWillHelmWestings2618]

Apache (WMAT) in eastern AZ, I greatly enjoy hearing the indian history bits at the start of these videos it makes me most excited when ever i hear anything involving my ppl and our related tribal cousins in the Navajo. Keep the videos coming it's enjoyable to listen to these while at work or playing some vidja.

[@freddumas8366]

Not for nothiin but i love the history segments

[@Deanna4]

That's what sets lore lodge above every other KZbinr who does similar content

[@allisonleksutin357]

Same I always learn something interesting

[@jack1701e]

I really love your history segments, so insightful and interesting to me in England. If you did videos just on native lore I reckon it'd be super popular!

[@flipperflapper6682]

Wondering if there are still people nowadays who try to go there for prospect and make live streaming all the while. Preferrable "secret live streaming" so whatever kills them, if it is another individual won't or less likely to notice it.

[@Anthony_Gx]

Hahaha secretly filming so they are of greater risk of being attacked by the potential killer? :p

[@Cthululululu]

Sounds to me like the reason for the Streaming to be secret would be a higher chance of a killer getting caught

[@flipperflapper6682]

@@CthululululuYes exactly. The one filming will be in higher risk, but the killer will be in higher chance of getting caught.

[@devlinegger3500]

Love the content, been binging your page lol. Thank you for your work!

[@cakeboss921]

I appreciate how honest you are with the validity of various sources. Accurate, skeptical, and spooky. Great video.

[@tyloncorp]

The history is always fun! Even my toads think so (They always seem to start croaking when I'm listening to you guys)

[@michellechase4579]

Huge fan of the indigenous history that you include, and I love that you credit other creators when you use their material in your research

[@DisneyLoveLady]

Hey! Just a correction! Métis is not just half indigenous, half white. We are our own nation from the Canadian prairies with our own separate history 😊

[@DisneyLoveLady]

Also it’s pronounced May-tee

[@toshabeans]

The history sections of your videos is my favorite part! I hope you'll never quit telling these stories with so much depth ❤

[@thefabviking]

This video came up in my reccomended and for once it clicked! I love that you are very transparent with the source material!

[@joelspaulding5964]

There is NEVER at time when one should skip the History. Perhaps the best part. Am familiar with this and most of the other tales. It is your history discussion and context it provides, that make your vids soar above most others. Nice.

[@kratangg-arang]

I must point out that Wendigoon is yet to provide an alibis for the times of these deaths. Curious.

[@stevenr5534]

I love the content of these videos, especially the historical or ethnological segments. They're certainly wonderful storytelling; and, I like that you admit that these incidents may or may not be connected and leave it up to the listeners/viewers to make up their own minds. Keep up the great work.

[@internallycrying-5526]

I love how you talk about the sources & the indigenous folklore!

[@MrDrewscreen]

Always love hearing about the nahanni valley! Great stuff!

[@jenniferelizabeth9440]

You said confluence and know what it means, that’s awesome! I love listening to your videos and often play them while I’m falling asleep at night- but not because you’re boring, more like something calm to focus on (yeah I know…). It’s great that you always include straight facts, and all of them. I discovered your channel when I started watching Missing 411 and I no longer watch that channel. Keep the videos coming!

[@TheHoodedGengar]

I have not seen any of your tiktoks in absolute months and I see you on my recommended tab on youtube. Glad to see you making this content here. Time to enjoy again

[@NFGU89]

This is my favorite subject you guys cover. You cover it well. I rewatched the other video over and over. It's what made me subscribe.

[@davidsandlin9686]

People can die of hypothermia when it’s in 50s and 60s. If you reach a point where you have to lay on the ground you can die even in temps you’d think would be easy to survive. Exposure is usually what they call it. I read about it because I heard that from somewhere and was skeptical about it.

[@victory8928]

Yeah but it doesn’t explain the beheadings unless it is less of a purposeful killing and more something else then in those cases as in some of these deaths might not have been murders but accidental deaths that were treated in some form by whoever lived there. No evidence to support this claim though so take it as a quake theory.

[@user-qo3yh8yk8m]

​@@victory8928very bad police work should be solved there and then now its impossible to solve these with all the misinformation and lack of info

[@Nyctophora]

I love the history segments! Thank you for another great video!

[@CarrieBrownNet]

You are an outstanding historian. Thanks for all the effort in creating this and other programs.

[@TheMightyX]

For anyone curious, a dollar in 1905 was about $35.

[@Ammo08]

There are a series of novels written by some Canadian writers under the name Michael Slade, that use little bits and pieces of the stories you are talking about. The first book is HEADHUNTER and then a few more after that. Pretty good books all in all.

[@littleworldsbringingtheout1711]

Aww man y'all never stream when I got time. Currently headed to work. Guess I'll catch y'all later. Much love from Georgia!

[@logancollins4874]

Thanks for the consistency man. Some great vids lately 💯💯

[@kittensboi0649]

The history segment is my all time fav! Keep up with the great work 🎉🎉

[@user-dv6im5vf7h]

When you asked me to say what do I imagine with a place called “the valley of headless men” my first thought was an idyllic valley in rural Wyoming so I was close lol I used to live in a place just like that called Star Valley, named that because it used to be called Starve Valley due to the harsh winters

[@TheAtroxious]

Is it anywhere near StarDEW Valley by chance?

[@user-dv6im5vf7h]

@@TheAtroxious go to bed

[@zoescott779]

Man, i swear you are very quickly becoming my favorite content creators, not just from the amazing research you do, but your unwavering respect for Native American peoples ❤ (i'm native, but was raised by white people, so i have to seek out traditional knowledge myself, and the history you give is so wonderful!)

[@williamneal7210]

My dad grew up in the South Nahanni river area, he would tell us these (and more) stories and noted the heads were taken so the murderers would have time to collect the teeth at their leisure and undisturbed--gold fillings don't ya know.

[@samanthastriegel5429]

I enjoy you and your channel so much!!! Very impressive. You are actually researching and discovering/verifying facts. If you're not sure-you tell us. You're not simply regurgitating "facts". I'm glad I found you.

[@justanotherfoolish]

Hey Aidens. thanks for all you do. i love your content and you’re cover of native folklore has helped me in writing. i’m fact I named a kingdom in my fantasy world (it’s literally just the wild west king dom) Naja.

[@DrunkComments]

I'm not sure if I commented... I'm too lethargic to check.. commenting.. This was a great video! I'm going through all the past videos to make sure I finished, commented and upvoted..

[@cherylcampbell9369]

I just watched a favorite yt channel, (M.E. who has been a colab of yours) and was chagrined to hear backgroung music has been added, which...don't get me started 😢. THANK YOU for not doing that. It is one of the many reasons why i love your channel.

[@magnum7385]

I've been meaning to tell you, I adore your intro music. Always makes me particularly happy to hear, just like Count Dankula's.

[@petereames9085]

First learned of the valley from Hammerson Peters. Great utuber!! Really interesting! Especially the native people stories! Great episode guy's thanks.

[@hannahelorie2527]

Awesome video, and i love the history👍🏻

[@seasonofourlife5947]

Dang... You did ur research, i appricate all the hours of wrk u put into this video!! Cant wait to see ur other content!!

[@jc-ox1go]

An hour long lore lodge video about a subject I already know tons about? Yes please