Did the CONFEDERACY Have BETTER GENERALS? - Atun-Shei Reaction Part 1

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@BuhLooZeR
@BuhLooZeR 3 жыл бұрын
00:41 You're welcome. I'm happy you like it. - Andrea
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Seems everyone else does too!!!
@schuylerkandarian7325
@schuylerkandarian7325 3 жыл бұрын
It looks really great. Well done!
@lenny7822
@lenny7822 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing work keep it up!
@danieln.1034
@danieln.1034 3 жыл бұрын
@@VloggingThroughHistory looks great! The links at the bottom of thr frame can be more HD though
@AMacLeod426
@AMacLeod426 3 жыл бұрын
I dont know if it was intentional, but I love how the logo kinda represents a handshake. Either way, it's awesome and I hope it stays!
@JackgarPrime
@JackgarPrime 3 жыл бұрын
Despite having seen the original video before, I can't help but still totally lose it at "If only Sherman would have spontaneously combusted at the Battle of Chattanooga"
@purplefood1
@purplefood1 3 жыл бұрын
My favourite bit
@ryanvega9308
@ryanvega9308 3 жыл бұрын
It’s those kinda questions that really make you wonder... what if? lol
@goldencalf13
@goldencalf13 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanvega9308 I mean being from the south I'm pretty sure I've heard conversations quite similar
@jeffreese1828
@jeffreese1828 3 жыл бұрын
Amen !
@MLaak86
@MLaak86 2 жыл бұрын
It would really be interesting if Generals did occasionally spontaneously combust.
@rafisanders
@rafisanders 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think people understand how brilliant Grant's Vicksburg campaign was. IMO it's still the smartest campaign in US history. He beat two confederate armies, one in Vicksburg itself and the 2nd in Jackson Mississippi. By taking Jackson first, he was able to completely cut off Vicksburg from it's supply lines. Grant was also able to protect his rear from confederate aggression.
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Agree
@commandante6188
@commandante6188 3 жыл бұрын
@@VloggingThroughHistory im pretty sure they teach the Vicksburg Campaign at West Point right now
@KingofDiamonds85
@KingofDiamonds85 3 жыл бұрын
Taking of Fort Donelson was great too, but with a good campaign to Vicksburg, his Overland Campaign was joke and if Albert Sydney Johnston didn't die on the first day of Shiloh, Grants army would've been cut in two and destroyed piece meal. For the one great campaign he led, he also got very lucky in a lot of other campaigns(mostly by Confederate generals getting killed).
@KingofDiamonds85
@KingofDiamonds85 3 жыл бұрын
@@philmccracken7520 And if the Confederate general leading the attack at North Anna didn't die, Grant's army would've been split in two and destroyed.
@masterplokoon8803
@masterplokoon8803 3 жыл бұрын
@@philmccracken7520 except that most of those 'draws" and victories for Lee were mostly strategic victories for the Union. Grant was simply slowly desintegrating Lee's army.
@watchm4ker
@watchm4ker Жыл бұрын
For those who don't get the opening joke: The Jefferson Davis Parkway (so named in 1910) in New Orleans was renamed in 2020 to the Norman C. Francis Parkway.
@thoticcusprime9309
@thoticcusprime9309 11 ай бұрын
why?
@watchm4ker
@watchm4ker 11 ай бұрын
@@thoticcusprime9309 Opinions changed. Same reason they removed the monuments to him along the roadside in 2017.
@alexs5744
@alexs5744 11 ай бұрын
If it were up to me I’d change it to the Abraham Lincoln Parkway.
@hannibalburgers477
@hannibalburgers477 10 ай бұрын
Wait, Atun-Shei is from NO? I thought he was a Wisconsinite from the heavy use of RLM references
@watchm4ker
@watchm4ker 10 ай бұрын
@@hannibalburgers477 I don't know where he's *from,* but he lives (at least, when this was filmed) in New Orleans.
@headsinger
@headsinger 3 жыл бұрын
The inside joke because Atun-Shei lives in New Orleans “Norman C. Francis Parkway, formerly named Jefferson Davis Parkway or Jeff Davis Parkway, is a street in New Orleans, Louisiana” en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_C._Francis_Parkway
@rundownthriftstore
@rundownthriftstore 3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Route 1 in Virginia. Used to be the same name
@bgieseler
@bgieseler 3 жыл бұрын
@@historyandhorseplaying7374 Nobody in New Orleans misses it, you name a street after a traitor in your town if that floats your boat.
@TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods
@TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods 3 жыл бұрын
@@historyandhorseplaying7374 People who take up arms against their country with a view to leaving it? Yeah, traitors.
@iskandartaib
@iskandartaib 3 жыл бұрын
Ah.. 😁
@jackneison
@jackneison 3 жыл бұрын
@@historyandhorseplaying7374 yes, people should be ok with shit named after those who fought to preserve the institution of slavery, especially if they were never in the military. Is it hard to be this stupid? Like, does it take effort, or are you just so good at it that it's become easy?
@clearss1
@clearss1 2 жыл бұрын
In 17 days Grant's army marched 200 miles and won 5 battles. Grant was the best tactician in the United States by the end of the war.
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Agree! The Vicksburg Campaign was brilliant.
@mikeor-
@mikeor- Жыл бұрын
@@VloggingThroughHistory True, but I still think that Sherman's March to the Sea weakened the Confederacy even greater than the capture of Vicksburg did.
@rookcapcoldblood2618
@rookcapcoldblood2618 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeor- My brother, that’s like saying cutting off Goliath’s head is what did more damage than David hitting him with the stone. 😂 I wholeheartedly agree with you, but one begat the other. Vicksburg falling gave Sherman the opportunity to March to the sea and blast apart the entire Confederacy. Not being harsh, just having a chuckle at how the two events are categorized in your mind.
@mikeor-
@mikeor- Жыл бұрын
@@rookcapcoldblood2618 Yes, Vicksburg happened before Sherman's March, but Vicksburg is more of a symbolic event, because it happened on July 4th. However, Sherman's March was more significant, because it sealed the fate of the Confederacy.
@rookcapcoldblood2618
@rookcapcoldblood2618 Жыл бұрын
@@mikeor- I agree. The March destroyed the morale of the South. Vicksburg facilitated the March happening, so yeah, you're right, more of a symbolic victory from a certain point of view
@justinhubbard552
@justinhubbard552 3 жыл бұрын
I personally like this background the best.
@warbuff7949
@warbuff7949 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@BuhLooZeR
@BuhLooZeR 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😉 -Andrea
@Boomi_Dog
@Boomi_Dog 3 жыл бұрын
@@BuhLooZeR You did great
@bigbusinessman3178
@bigbusinessman3178 3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@christopherchampion6882
@christopherchampion6882 3 жыл бұрын
It's fantastic!!!
@epicurius1
@epicurius1 3 жыл бұрын
For Longstreet and his reputation suffering among Southerners after the war, don't forget Colfax and Liberty Place. Longstreet's actions to defend black people and elections made him even more persona non grata among white Southerners at the time.
@obi-wankenobi1233
@obi-wankenobi1233 3 жыл бұрын
It is not that I disbelieve you, but can you cite a source for Longstreet's involvement in Colfax and Liberty Place? I struggled finding anything myself.
@epicurius1
@epicurius1 3 жыл бұрын
@@obi-wankenobi1233 I can find you academic sources when I get home, but here's an editorial by a historian on the Washington Post that mentions Longstreet commanding the militia at Liberty Place (as well as how he was wounded and captured by the White League there) www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/08/29/missing-statues-that-expose-truth-about-confederate-monuments/ As for Colfax, Longstreet wasn't there, but he was the one who ordered forces to go to Colfax to defend the town (sadly, too late).
@obi-wankenobi1233
@obi-wankenobi1233 3 жыл бұрын
@@epicurius1 I read the article that you linked, and found it to be very interesting. I now understand what Atun Shei meant in his Gods and Generals video, when he asked whether Jackson was one of the good Confederates, like Longstreet. And, of course, why Johnny says 'we don't talk about him,' when Billy mentions him.
@epicurius1
@epicurius1 3 жыл бұрын
@@obi-wankenobi1233 There were a few high up Confederates who, after the war, switched parties and actively worked to further the cause of Reconstruction, the so called "reconstructed rebels", of which Longstreet is the most famous. It's an open question as to why they did it, and whether it was sincere or a pragmatic attempt to retain power given changing circumstances. Regardless of why, though, they were held in utter contempt by large segments of the old white planter class and those people who went on to write the histories. It's very hard to underestimate the effect of the "lost cause" myth on American historiography, and even today, you have open defenders of the Confederacy.
@danielbackley9301
@danielbackley9301 3 жыл бұрын
Also don't forget two things one he became a Catholic two they needed a scape coat for the south's defeat at Gettysburg
@babassoonist557
@babassoonist557 3 жыл бұрын
Nathan Bedford Forrest: “work and you’ll be set free” Hmmm I wonder if anyone else copied this
@dbcooper206
@dbcooper206 3 жыл бұрын
Think I saw it written on a gate at a summer camp in Poland..😂
@SkullsterGames
@SkullsterGames 3 жыл бұрын
@@dbcooper206 Oh god, I Never saw such a dark joke!
@danmorgan3685
@danmorgan3685 3 жыл бұрын
Truer words than you might think. Hitler actually admired the Confederacy and wanted to emulate it.
@wolverineeagle
@wolverineeagle 3 жыл бұрын
@@danmorgan3685 No, he didn’t. His plans were based off of a mixture of traditional European antisemitism(laws, ghettos, etc) that predate the US by 500 years; colonialism and the plantation system(which itself is similar to how a feudal society was set up); bizarre racial views that build off of the aforementioned antisemitism and see Slavs and other Europeans groups as separate races despite being white; Nazism is based largely in European history.Trying to portray the Confederacy as some sort of precursor to Nazism is to fundamentally misunderstand both. One is a small government, neo-feudalistic, Christian, white supremacist state. The other is a fusion of various big government ideologies mixed with a concept of Germanic or Aryan supremacist and neo-Paganism.
@LordVader1094
@LordVader1094 3 жыл бұрын
@@danmorgan3685 Wrong, he didn't.
@GaryGyarados
@GaryGyarados 3 жыл бұрын
Meade actually had a strategy prepared for pursuing the retreating Confederate force, but the commanding officer of the plan was killed during the battle, and Meade understood that he did not have enough time to brief a replacement.
@rockjohnson7980
@rockjohnson7980 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure who or what you’re talking about. Any more details?
@pug9431
@pug9431 2 жыл бұрын
@@rockjohnson7980 Lincoln wrote a letter to Meade following Gettysburg in which he chastised Meade for not pursuing and destroying Lee's army
@rockjohnson7980
@rockjohnson7980 2 жыл бұрын
@@pug9431 Yes, Lincoln was upset with Meade for letting Lee slip away-although he never actually sent that letter, it was discovered in his desk. That’s not what I was asking though. I’m not sure what the other person is referring to in a specific plan of Meade’s to pursue Lee after the battle, yet the person that was supposed to undertake it had been killed in the battle. There was no such thing as far as I know. And that’s sort of backwards. Meade didn’t have a specific post-battle plan, because the events were unfolding before him. He had ideas of what to do based on contingencies. But there’s no way he could create a specific plan with a specific commander. Furthermore, the only Corps Commander killed for them was John F Reynolds, was killed the first day. That means Meade had a specific post-battle plan on the first day of the battle? Absolutely not, as he didn’t even know a battle was to be fought. 2 other Corps commanders were wounded, but still, he easily could have moved his command and pursued Lee without relying on one specific special commander. And perhaps most importantly, he DID in fact pursue Lee-just not as vigorously as Lincoln would have hoped. This dude is mixing things up. So I’m just curious as to what he is referring to.
@lufsolitaire5351
@lufsolitaire5351 2 жыл бұрын
Was the general that was meant to head the pursuit John F. Reynolds? Just my guess since he was the best general the army of the Potomac had at the time(offered overall command but turned it down since he didn’t want to play Washington politics), unfortunate he was killed on the first day. Atun-Shei should of added him to the list of Union generals that were competent.
@rockjohnson7980
@rockjohnson7980 2 жыл бұрын
@@lufsolitaire5351 No, because there was no plan of “pursuit” when Reynolds was killed. Meade didn’t know for sure that they would even fight a battle at Gettysburg, let alone have a plan for potential victory and then pursuit after it. On the night of June 30-morning July 1, Meade knew that the Confederate army was in the vicinity. Reynolds made his way to Gettysburg to feel things out, and Meade entrusted him with the decision whether to fight at Gettysburg or not. Meade eventually decides that if he is attacked he will withdraw his force to Pipe Creek. This is the famous Pipe Creek circular. Reynolds never receives this order. So the point here is that Meade didn’t have a real plan for fighting the battle, let alone a plan of pursuit after it. That plan would require at least knowledge of where the battle would be fought, which he didn’t have. Reynolds is of course killed at the very start of the battle, before Meade is fully aware of what is going on, and before he is fully committed to a fight at Gettysburg. The best Meade could have done in this regard is to leave a force in reserve, that was able to follow up and pursue a victory once he knew where and when the battle would be fought. But Reynolds was in the vanguard, not in reserve. So this is simply impossible. Reynolds was certainly competent, but he is another one of those guys that death sort of boosted his reputation. He had some success as a lower level commander, but as head of the 1st Corps, he didn’t have a good showing at Fredericksburg, and didn’t really do much during Chancellorsville. So he was unproven even in that regard. His status is also boosted by the fact that his death came in the most famous battle of the war. That’s not to say Reynolds would have failed, but just to temper this idea that he was clearly the best Corps commander, because that wasn’t so clear. He was most likely offered command of the army though.
@thomasjamison2050
@thomasjamison2050 3 жыл бұрын
"Not since Caesar has there been such an army!" Comment by Confederate General Joseph E Johnston upon hearing that Sherman's Army was moving through the North Carolina swamps at the rate of 20 miles per day.
@michelleeggleston2896
@michelleeggleston2896 3 жыл бұрын
Funny you mention Johnston
@stephenandersen4625
@stephenandersen4625 3 жыл бұрын
well... if you're in the swamp, you want to get out as quickly as you can. ;-)
@lukeb1663
@lukeb1663 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenandersen4625 unfortunately that doesn’t apply to Washington DC. Be a much better place if it did. XD
@Historyfan476AD
@Historyfan476AD 3 жыл бұрын
I would bet Napoleon's was easily that level as well.
@thomasjamison2050
@thomasjamison2050 3 жыл бұрын
@@Historyfan476AD The reference being made by Johnston in reference to the ability of Sherman's troops to do extensive labor to allow his forces to move, I can't think of any instances I know where Napoleon's troops did the same. No doubt Napoleon's troops, at times, were very excellent, but so far as I know, they didn't achieve the kinds of laborious accomplishments that would have put them on the same list as Sherman's troops and Caesars. Frankly though, as good as Sherman's troops were, they never achieved the sorts of things Caesar's troops did. The construction requirements for the former were significant and impressive, but not as insanely competent as Caesar's men. But Johnson essentially makes that point in his comment, and Johnson does not say that Sherman's troops were more impressive in this regard than Caesars, just that they were more impressive than any other army since Caesar's in this regard. Modern armies can, of course, achieve even more, but not without mechanical support such as was never available to the Romans.
@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture
@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture Жыл бұрын
Lee said Meade was the one general he feared to face. Meade was that general who could not be baited to attack at the wrong moment, who was patient and who would make sure his troops would be properly prepared for battle.
@aerialmacaroon6312
@aerialmacaroon6312 Жыл бұрын
Was he the overly cautious one or was that mcclean or whatever
@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture
@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture Жыл бұрын
@@aerialmacaroon6312 McClellan was the overly cautious one. Meade was a more than competent general. Interesting note about something I read (can’t remember where). During the Mexican-American War, at the battle of Veracruz, Winfield Scott was observing on a raft with his staff, which included Robert E. Lee, McClellan and Meade. Apparently they were close enough that if the Mexican shore artillery got off a lucky shot, they could have killed all those on board the raft. Think about how the Civil War would have changed without any of those historical figures.
@aerialmacaroon6312
@aerialmacaroon6312 Жыл бұрын
@@GetRidOfCivilAssetForfeiture wow and thanks
@jakefromstatefarm6969
@jakefromstatefarm6969 Жыл бұрын
​@@aerialmacaroon6312 Meade was "snapping turtle mcgee"
@shaneboardwell1060
@shaneboardwell1060 3 жыл бұрын
The summer of ‘64 is often described as the North’s darkest hour. Soldiers journals really reflected the hopelessness of that time.
@TheT4xid3rmist
@TheT4xid3rmist 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder which side's soldiers felt more helpless at the time.
@TheFamousMockingbird
@TheFamousMockingbird 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheT4xid3rmist that isn't relevant to the point made in the video, that 64 was a point for thr north where the morale was low amongst large swaths of people and soldiers
@Dr.AutismGod
@Dr.AutismGod 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFamousMockingbird He was just wondering not looking for a debate.
@kristaskrastina2863
@kristaskrastina2863 Жыл бұрын
Hmmm... or was that hour after Fredericksburg and the Mud March? I always thought that was the lowest point of Union morale.
@wordherb1128
@wordherb1128 3 жыл бұрын
Atun Shei is hilarious the Judah P Benjamin thing had my crying laughing
@nomar5spaulding
@nomar5spaulding 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I laughed pretty hard about Sherman spontaneously combusting. Cloning Stewart was good too, but Judah P. Benjamin unleashing the power of the Ark of the Covenant made me lose my shit.
@Mei_1453
@Mei_1453 2 жыл бұрын
Sameeeee and im jewish
@jeffreygao3956
@jeffreygao3956 8 ай бұрын
I'd like to formally apologize for what he just said about Judah P. Benjamin.
@votekyle3000
@votekyle3000 3 жыл бұрын
22:55 also can’t ignore that Longstreet’s name is forever besmirched for being a Republican post war. His friendship with Grant made him appear to be a traitor to the confederate veterans.
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah and all these people who put up confederate memorials forgot to include him. So it's very telling that statues supposedly put up only to reflect bravery and sacrifice (and nothing more), didnt include one of the more deserving generals because he didn't follow the white supremacist orthodoxy after the war.
@susactivities_
@susactivities_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@Knightmessenger yeah in the south during reconstruction if you wanted to be safe you had to be a democrat or be white
@johnmcmanus2447
@johnmcmanus2447 Жыл бұрын
"Doesn't take much brains to defend high ground with superior numbers." Ok, true. And it also doesn't take much brains to figure out assaulting high ground with inferior numbers is an idiotic idea. Lee's whole idea of, "the enemy is there, I will attack him there" shows his inflexibility.
@drewdurbin4968
@drewdurbin4968 6 ай бұрын
Ever hear of a place called cold harbor?
@benn454
@benn454 6 ай бұрын
@@drewdurbin4968 That was caused by Grant becoming impatient. He knew it was a bad idea.
@senor_clyde6214
@senor_clyde6214 3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel. As a history teacher with a PhD, I enjoy the content and commentary you provide. Keep up the good work.
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Clyde! I will appreciate any expertise you are willing to provide on these topics.
@igloo.550
@igloo.550 3 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: The guy who built that Forrest statue at 27:07 later went blind...
@TheEnoEtile
@TheEnoEtile 3 жыл бұрын
What's shocking is he wasnt blind when he built it.
@Colocharis
@Colocharis 3 жыл бұрын
We could leave all the confederate statues up, on the sole condition that every confederate statue is made by that artist.
@igloo.550
@igloo.550 3 жыл бұрын
@@Colocharis He died sadly, maybe get the modern artists in.
@Qossuth
@Qossuth 3 жыл бұрын
The title of my essay on Seven Days from probably 30 years ago was: "Stonewall Jackson's Feet of Clay."
@cajdoesstuff9454
@cajdoesstuff9454 3 жыл бұрын
That’s great lol
@JRobbySh
@JRobbySh 3 жыл бұрын
Jackson seems to have suffered from exhaustion.
@jonathanmedina3825
@jonathanmedina3825 3 жыл бұрын
Great shame Lincoln didn’t finish his 2nd term. A presidency line of Lincoln to Grant would have surely led this country toward a better present day.
@shanejones6955
@shanejones6955 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Confederate guy here. Little known fact. Under Grant the U.S went from being the world's 3rd largest economy to the largest.
@Birb728
@Birb728 3 жыл бұрын
@@shanejones6955 cool
@barnebyoconnell8176
@barnebyoconnell8176 2 жыл бұрын
@@shanejones6955 Who?
@kristianmurphy4308
@kristianmurphy4308 2 жыл бұрын
Actually we needed Lincoln not only through 2 terms, probably into a 3rd and 4th. Imagine Reconstruction with Lincoln as President and Grant as the Military Occupation Manager in the South. NO KKK Long term protection/transition of Ex Slaves.
@glamourweaver
@glamourweaver 2 жыл бұрын
I have a fear, that a more conciliatory Republican toward the South might have stopped Congress from passing the 14th Amendment, unlike with Johnson who the “Radical” (pro-Civil Rights) Republicans in Congress were happy to ignore. So I’m less certain preventing the Lincoln assassination would make America a better place. He may have had more value as a martyr.
@lastrevenant
@lastrevenant 3 жыл бұрын
RE the Norman C Francis joke at the beginning: New Orleans had a street named for Jefferson Davis that they renamed to 'Norman C. Francis Parkway' in 2020 after the George Floyd protests.
@MrManfhis
@MrManfhis 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Wysiwyg43
@Wysiwyg43 3 жыл бұрын
George Floyd "protests". SMDH
@Wayne-O-5169
@Wayne-O-5169 3 жыл бұрын
Norman C. Francis is a black man, native of Louisiana, who served as President of Xavier University for 47 years (now retired he was the first lay person and first black man ever so appointed to that position in the Catholic school’s history). He was also the chairman of the Louisiana Recovery Authority, charged with administering the state’s recovery efforts following Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005. He certainly did more for New Orleans and Louisiana than Jefferson Davis ever did. In my opinion, and apparently in the opinions of many others, he was far more deserving of the honor than the previous namesake.
@austinbosh7402
@austinbosh7402 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wayne-O-5169 Huey Long would have been even more deserving. Just saying.
@thelegendarypandicorn1777
@thelegendarypandicorn1777 3 жыл бұрын
...except there's already a Huey P. Long Bridge in New Orleans, and three different Huey Long Streets in Louisiana (Huey P. Long St., East Huey P. Long St., West Huey P. Long St.), and a Huey P. Long Avenue.
@Icesong
@Icesong 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding British support for the Confederacy, I read this quote in a book called The London Confederates, which explores the topic, and it's always stuck with me as summing it up nicely: "Many of our friends here have mistaken British admiration for Southern pluck, and newspaper spite at Yankee insolence as Southern sympathy. No such thing. There is no love for the South here. In its American policy the British government fairly represents the people. [...] There is no hope for recognition here." Matthew Fontaine Maury, January 1863
@attackmaster519
@attackmaster519 3 жыл бұрын
They say that while selling plenty of weapons and ammo to the Confederacy. They even almost joined the war after the US boarded a British vessel containing Confederate Diplomats (funny how that works some times, considering a few decades prior). If it weren't for the defeat at Gettysburg, and the Emancipation Proclamation, they very likely would have joined.
@poyloos4834
@poyloos4834 3 жыл бұрын
@@attackmaster519 it’s seems pretty clear that if they were to ally with the Confederacy, it wasn’t out of admiration, but rather profit. By bringing slavery into the spotlight with the emancipation proclamation, they stopped support of the Confederacy outright more or less. The british government may have wanted to make money off of them, but wouldn’t continue supporting the side that was pro-slavery in the slavery war.
@KazeShikamaru
@KazeShikamaru 3 жыл бұрын
@@attackmaster519 Lots of what if but I don't see it happening as they were still recovering from losing to us. Helping them out means shit for thrm unless they want to turn heel and take the south for themselves.
@alanbeaumont4848
@alanbeaumont4848 3 жыл бұрын
In addition to that, Northern British mill workers took the opposite view to mill owners, who wanted the British Navy to intervene, and instead supported the continuing blockade of southern cotton exports. This was despite unemployment and hardship already faced by them due to the cotton shortage. Lincoln sent relief supplies to Britain in gratitude for their support.
@marinewillis1202
@marinewillis1202 3 жыл бұрын
@@poyloos4834 Even had the south won the war Slavery would have been gone shortly after. They would have been pariahs among nations to try and keep it. I also think that the country would have probably reunited at some point.
@drtoothdmd9513
@drtoothdmd9513 3 жыл бұрын
The battle of Shiloh shows Grant's brilliance but also understanding of how to win. Despite his subordinates doing everything practically wrong, he was able to still come away victorious . Grant's job out west should not be understated
@JohnReedy07163
@JohnReedy07163 3 жыл бұрын
Yep
@TheAlphatitan
@TheAlphatitan 3 жыл бұрын
Sherman is another person who is incredibly underestimated. Sherman was probably the greatest general of the war.
@JohnReedy07163
@JohnReedy07163 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlphatitan No, it's definitely between Grant and George Thomas. As great as Sherman was he always had multiple great Generals next to him. Thomas had to overcome Buell and Rosecrans as superiors and still achieved victory. Sherman had Grant, Sheridan, McPherson and others his entire way through the war. That's not to say he was a bad General but that's why Grant had to save him at Shiloh and not the other way around.
@TheAlphatitan
@TheAlphatitan 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnReedy07163 damn, I completely forgot about Thomas, they don’t talk about him much do they? I think Sherman was either an equal or a better general than Grant though, his exploits and tactics simply seem more impressive than Grants. Between Thomas and Sherman i think it’s a pretty close debate.
@JohnReedy07163
@JohnReedy07163 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlphatitan I'd still go Thomas, he completely overwhelmed Zollicoffer and Crittenden to win the first Union Victory at Mill Springs Kentucky, he led the right wing of the army at the siege of Corinth and led them to victory, Then he defeated Polk at Perryville and drove Bragg and Polk from Kentucky, 3 months later he utterly fooled Polk at Stones River by feigning a retreat and then crushed 2 attacks before counter attacking him to finish the battle, Then he led the column under Rosecrans that drove Bragg out of Middle Tennessee during the Tullahoma campaign which was utterly brilliant but ended the same day as Gettysburg and Vicksburg. Next is Chickamauga where he saves Rosecrans from utter disaster, then he teams up with Sherman and Storms Lookout Mountain at Chattanooga. The he goes to Atlanta with Sherman and crushes Hood twice before he chased Hood back to Tennessee and utterly destroys him quickly thereafter. He probably saw more theaters of war than anyone not named Grant and he had success everywhere.
@shanewoody4232
@shanewoody4232 3 жыл бұрын
Modern us doctrine is based off of Ulysses S. Grant even Eisenhower claimed Grant's overland campaign was a huge influence on his grand strategy
@dedwardskbd
@dedwardskbd 3 жыл бұрын
The comment you didn't get was that NOLA changed the name of "Jefferson Davis Parkway" to "Norman C Francis Parkway". Hence, Jefferson Davis (Parkway) is done.
@chaosXP3RT
@chaosXP3RT 2 жыл бұрын
14:00 George McClellan actually campaigned on peace with the Confederacy. Among the general population, Lincoln only won 45% of the public vote. But among the soldiers, he won 89% of the vote, which carried him into the Presidency.
@Yvyvyhihib
@Yvyvyhihib 2 жыл бұрын
McClellan was nominated on a peace platform but he made it pretty clear he did not personally support it
@clconstruction3072
@clconstruction3072 2 жыл бұрын
Stats?
@tadhgknight3484
@tadhgknight3484 2 жыл бұрын
That’s completely wrong, the Democrat party platform (by Vallandigham) stated that an immediate peace settlement should be made, but McClellan rejected that platform and his campaign openly stated that he wouldn’t end the war.
@williamcross210
@williamcross210 2 жыл бұрын
Your stats appear to be off as Lincoln won 75% of the ~40,000 soldier votes, according to Burnham, given that Lincoln won with 55% of the ~4 million votes, the soldier vote was inconsequential to Lincoln's margin/vote fraction
@coldwar45
@coldwar45 Жыл бұрын
The party’s platform said that but McClellan opposed that part of it
@faelirra
@faelirra 3 жыл бұрын
The god awful statue is in Nashville. When I visited the US my eyes had the misfortune of seeing it.
@comusrules1244
@comusrules1244 3 жыл бұрын
😪
@Shaun_Jones
@Shaun_Jones 2 ай бұрын
The damn thing looks like someone tried to render a newspaper caricature using Blender 1.0
@johnjamesbaldridge867
@johnjamesbaldridge867 3 жыл бұрын
Agree! Grant is _seriously_ underrated! Lin-Manuel Miranda worked closely with Ron Chernow on Hamilton. He needs to do the same with Grant!
@michaelhauser6440
@michaelhauser6440 2 жыл бұрын
SJW Grant? Nahh
@xeagaort
@xeagaort 10 ай бұрын
@@michaelhauser6440triggered
@GoTfan-eb8tk
@GoTfan-eb8tk 5 ай бұрын
​@@michaelhauser6440 Broke the KKK, defeated armies of slaveowners, pushed hard for women's and African American rights, created Yellowstone, and went hard at separation of church and state. He was an SJW, and proudly so.
@jeffreygao3956
@jeffreygao3956 2 ай бұрын
Grant that wish!
@staytuned2L337
@staytuned2L337 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy Antun-Shei's stuff. First time I've seen your channel, looking forward to seeing how this goes! Will edit with reaction at the end Edit: reeaallly looking forward to part 2, and will be checking out your other content for sure.
@Jim-cj7pj
@Jim-cj7pj 3 жыл бұрын
Thier argument about Jackson reminds me of a paper I wrote about Chancellorsville in college. I basically said Jackson had a great victory and promptly died so that would be all that would commonly be known about him.
@miscellaneous_man756
@miscellaneous_man756 3 жыл бұрын
i recommended this to you on discord a few hours ago, and it was a nice surprise to see you already done it
@francoisbertrand7612
@francoisbertrand7612 3 жыл бұрын
I love these reactions. They add great information, so it's like doubling the available KZbin history content! Keep em coming! ❤️
@formulah113
@formulah113 3 жыл бұрын
the southern leaders sound like the leaders of Germany after WWI. That emphasizes the need for Sherman's March to Atlanta and South Carolina. The south would have never conceded loss leading to future division.
@morganmcallister2001
@morganmcallister2001 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like part of the similarity of positions stems from the bitterness of defeat and postwar turmoil.
@marinewillis1202
@marinewillis1202 3 жыл бұрын
I think the south had some of the best divisional and corps commanders you could find but not really the best Army leaders.
@nomar5spaulding
@nomar5spaulding 3 жыл бұрын
The Lost Cause and the Stabbed in the Back myth certainly ring slightly similar to my ears...
@likeaboss1059
@likeaboss1059 3 жыл бұрын
@@morganmcallister2001 this
@davidjacobson6791
@davidjacobson6791 3 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to let you know you are a huge inspiration to me, and your passion for history is really infectious. You are awesome keep up the fantastic work!
@hangarflying
@hangarflying 3 жыл бұрын
Re: pressure on the Lincoln administration: he was constantly having to deal with the Northern governors and keep them happy.
@cameronswazo4369
@cameronswazo4369 3 жыл бұрын
I subbed to you when you were rockin about 15k subs. Crazy to see this channel hit that 10 fold. You deserve it man, favorite history content creator out there! Seems like just yesterday I was watching the 100k stream and you’re getting close to 200k already
@caseyd9471
@caseyd9471 3 жыл бұрын
Well that's a quick turnaround! I was watching Atun-Shei's original video 20 minutes ago wondering when you'd make a reaction to it, and here it is!! Makes my day even better!
@sylentlight6771
@sylentlight6771 2 жыл бұрын
That horrendous statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest WAS in Nashville, TN... Right alongside one of the busiest roads - I-65 Northbound, just south of the city. (I live south of Nashville so had to see this atrocity every time I went there). THANKFULLY the stubborn old bat who owned it and the property finally kicked the bucket and his heirs had it torn down. I always said that it looked like both he and his horse were simultaneously getting surprise colonoscopies.
@TheStapleGunKid
@TheStapleGunKid 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've always thought that statue should be maintained since it's a fitting representation of the CSA reaction to losing the war.
@sethmanrockandroll
@sethmanrockandroll 9 ай бұрын
Lincoln was a better statesman and politician than Jefferson Davis.
@dbach1025
@dbach1025 3 жыл бұрын
I love the character Stonewall Jackson has come to be known as. I love the fact he was a devout believer and prayed all the time. Glad his prayers weren't answered. Lol. But his legend is just that. He was a flawed commander. Made some big mistakes. He was brave no doubt. Definitely not a coward, but same could be said about thousands and thousands.
@JackgarPrime
@JackgarPrime 3 жыл бұрын
I'd be curious to see what role the likes of the Daughters of the Confederacy have played in exagerrating his legend.
@NatalieJ22
@NatalieJ22 3 жыл бұрын
I really like this background!! Definitely keep it like this, it’s good to show off your logo and your info and it’s not overly distracting. Andrea did a great job
@staytonanime
@staytonanime 3 жыл бұрын
Norman C. Francis parkway used to be named after Jefferson Davis in New Orleans(where Atun Shei films is located). That was the local humor bit.
@ericveneto1593
@ericveneto1593 3 жыл бұрын
It was of McClellan that Lincoln said,"If you're not using that army, may I?"
@kevincousino2276
@kevincousino2276 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, then gave it to pope, who destroyed it, then gave it right back to little mac.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 3 жыл бұрын
5:21 In war, *it doesn't matter how you win.* All that matters is that you win. (Besides, "more money and more men" ignores Sherman's excellent plan to eviscerate the South.) 15:53 This is why the Articles of Confederation were replaced.
@sagebias2251
@sagebias2251 3 жыл бұрын
So spokith dr strangelove.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 3 жыл бұрын
@@sagebias2251 *Southern* Dr. Strangelove. Or should we and the Soviets have intentionally lost WW2 because the Germans and Japanses were such good fighters? *Of course we should have beaten them* with our superior quantities of stuff and men.
@likeaboss1059
@likeaboss1059 3 жыл бұрын
Ehhh idk about that one. The statement “in war, it Dosent matter how you win. All that matters is that you win” I mean if it’s life or death then yes. But We could of won in Vietnam if we just nuked them to shit... But in the American revolution we shot officers and flag barriers first. Which for the previous 300 years of warfare that was seen as “off limits.” But to me that is just good tactics. So i guess it depends.
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 3 жыл бұрын
@@likeaboss1059 remember that the Vietnam War was "just" a really long skirmish in the Cold War. Nuking them would have been an instant loss of the the _real_ war we were fighting. That's why we didn't nuke Hanoi.
@likeaboss1059
@likeaboss1059 3 жыл бұрын
@@RonJohn63 I didn’t mean it in a literal way. Just as a example/standards of war that not every action should be justified just to win.
@tylercartwright
@tylercartwright 3 жыл бұрын
The statue of Forrest is off of I-65 south of Nashville, TN. And there's been an ongoing discussion about its hideous appearance and how to make it disappear for years, but it exists on private property, and so there's not much that can be done.
@NoPawn
@NoPawn 4 ай бұрын
The owner of that property died in 2020 and the statue was removed a year later. Badly damaged during its removal, there are no plans to raise it again.
@Shaun_Jones
@Shaun_Jones 2 ай бұрын
@@NoPawn how can you even tell that eyesore was damaged? It probably looks better now.
@PopeSixtusVI
@PopeSixtusVI Жыл бұрын
There's a book called Team of Rivals (and it's BIG, the audio book is like, 22 hours) that shows just how difficult and involved Lincoln's abolition of slavery was. It really was a group effort.
@VloggingThroughHistory
@VloggingThroughHistory Жыл бұрын
It's a fantastic book.
@DaRealMDO
@DaRealMDO 3 жыл бұрын
This is for sure the best one yet. I would stick with it. Great job Andrea!
@BuhLooZeR
@BuhLooZeR 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😉 -Andrea
@Littleryan16
@Littleryan16 3 жыл бұрын
We all love these videos, thank you so much for taking time to make them! Hope you are doing well!!!
@TheBengalsMind
@TheBengalsMind 3 жыл бұрын
You talk about the British refusing to help once the Emancipation Proclamation was official. But a little story often never told is how Russian Tsar Alexander II officially supported the Union. They sent a number of ships to our harbors to protect us from a British invasion and possibly themselves as well. Tsar Alexander II had already had his own Emancipation of Serfdom in 1861 and sympathized with the Union. They stayed in our harbor for nearly a year by some estimates. Now this was probably a little self serving on Russia's part because they too felt a conflict between Britain was possibly between them as well. By attacking Russian ships, they would also be attacking on American soil.
@sanjivjhangiani3243
@sanjivjhangiani3243 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, the King of Siam offered to send Lincoln war elephants. Lincoln declined; who knows how history might have been different?
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 2 жыл бұрын
It is in the middle of the 'Great Game'
@thedrugdealerinthehomedepot
@thedrugdealerinthehomedepot Жыл бұрын
​@Sanjiv Jhangiani I now hate Lincoln, we could of have history lessons about how elephants destroyed Richmond and defeated General Lee. edit: also sorry if you got like 100 notifications youtube posted my comment like 100 times.
@jeffreygao3956
@jeffreygao3956 8 ай бұрын
@@thedrugdealerinthehomedepot Or the elephants get slaughtered by artillery fire and pigs lit on fire.
@norsethenomad5978
@norsethenomad5978 8 ай бұрын
And funnily enough, the man who helped convince Russia to stand with the Union, was none other than Cassius Clay, a southern white man who fought in so many duels against slavers and those who opposed emancipation when he was still in school, he earned a reputation as one of the greatest pistol duelists in North America. He also survived several assassination attempts
@thesweatleaf
@thesweatleaf 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding the Norman C Francis joke: New Orleans renamed a road from Jefferson Davis to Norman C. Francis. Francis is a Army veteran, and the first lay president of Xavier University of Louisiana. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Francis
@12thbattalion26
@12thbattalion26 3 жыл бұрын
I love the background. It just goes to show how much this channel has moved up in the world. I cant wait to see what the future holds for your channel.
@32Omicron32
@32Omicron32 3 жыл бұрын
I like the overlay. Gets the info with a modern yet minimalistic look. It keeps the focus on the two important things, you and the content.
@f.o.n.1244
@f.o.n.1244 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the frame. Looks professional. I would love to see you react to some videos about reconstruction. I know I was never taught about anything after the civil war. They were very vague about it when I was in school.
@darrellmarcks6304
@darrellmarcks6304 3 жыл бұрын
I just watched this when they posted it. Now watching you will be bonus content. Salutations from the U.S. Virgin Islands
@PantherJaguar
@PantherJaguar 3 жыл бұрын
I really like this frame, it looks great! Nicely done Andrea!
@NuclearDemoman
@NuclearDemoman 10 ай бұрын
I'll be honest, that cracked out Nathan Bedford Forrest statue is the only Confederate statue I was sad to see come down, because just look at it. It is comedy gold.
@xPhenom41x
@xPhenom41x 3 жыл бұрын
That statue of Forrest is south of Nashville. I believe near Franklin, TN. I drive by it all the time when I return to Fort Campbell from Columbia, Tn. I'm glad it got paint thrown on it.
@BayAreaPEV
@BayAreaPEV 3 жыл бұрын
I can imagine how giddy you feel when you hear the words “biggest battle of the civil war”
@HermesSonofZeus
@HermesSonofZeus 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your reactions to these. Learned lots, as usual!
@WasThisMail
@WasThisMail 3 жыл бұрын
Love the new layout ALso Happy you got to this so fast
@jellosapiens7261
@jellosapiens7261 3 жыл бұрын
I still crack up when Rebel Johnny flings his beer across the room lmao
@W00KER
@W00KER 3 жыл бұрын
Shout out to Atun-Shei Films, he really does great work. And his channel is not called "Checkmate Linconites" lol
@kmrose
@kmrose 3 жыл бұрын
I watched the original vid this morning and now I'm watching a VTH reaction this evening. Both of are awesome.
@drrakw2432
@drrakw2432 3 жыл бұрын
I saw this on my recommended section and wondered when you would make a reaction to it, and now here it is lol. Thanks for posting!
@danielrichwine2268
@danielrichwine2268 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that Grant won the peace isn't given enough credit. True the black people had to go through a lot after reconstruction, but he kept the nation together. Not sure Lincoln would have been able to do that.
@MollymaukT
@MollymaukT 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, if Lincoln was alive reconstruction probably wouldn't have been as botched as it was. Andrew Johnson wouldn't have become president and with the Republicans at an all time high in popularity they could probably get some (but certainly not all) of Thaddeus Stevens' reforms through Congress
@danielrichwine2268
@danielrichwine2268 3 жыл бұрын
@@MollymaukT it's very difficult playing to what if game. However I reflect upon something that was mentioned in this video. Namely talking about Stonewall Jackson, sometimes when people die at the right time it enhances their reputation. I hear over and over again how much better things would have been and how everything would have been peachy if Lincoln hadn't been assassinated. But I also reflect that having guided the nation through the civil war, by dying when he did he didn't have to deal with the aftermath and reconstruction. Andrew Johnson certainly wasn't up to it, the radicals in Congress didn't do a great job, I personally think that Grant was the only one in the country who could guide the country through reconstruction, as imperfect as it was, and have the entire nation heal again into one. The Goodwill he generated through effectively pardoning all treasonous soldiers, high and low, allowed him to crack down on the ku Klux Klan and other people who in other times might have started a second civil war. Lincoln never had to deal with that, Grant did.
@ToBeZucc
@ToBeZucc 3 жыл бұрын
Not going to lie, this is an awesome backdrop for the videos. Great job to the creator
@ssgbuddha400
@ssgbuddha400 3 жыл бұрын
As someone who as watched since he only had 30k subs I'm so happy that you have grown so much and it's not stopping!!!
@carmenmonoxide7459
@carmenmonoxide7459 3 жыл бұрын
That background is fire! This channel is burning up too. Also, a video about "Reconstruction" would be great and I'm glad you bought it up. Happy 4th of July...
@Henry_Varro
@Henry_Varro 3 жыл бұрын
An idea inspired by your grand tactician series I've been binging lately how were armies formed? How and who determined what men from what states determined where they went? What was the differences between regulars and volunteers? Was it equipment, training, time served, all of the above? Was there a quality difference? Who decided who got the better equipment?
@Hreinso
@Hreinso 3 жыл бұрын
Grant touches on it in his memoires. if i recall, every state, or even county (can't remember) had recruitment drives for volunteer regiments. anybody with any military experience like veterans from the mexican war were chosen to lead, muster, and organize these regiments. a lot of lieutenants, colonels and even brigadier generals in those volunteer regiments had little to no prior experience in those roles. Grant himself was only a quartermaster when he served in mexico yet he found himself a colonel when he decided to join the army because he had gone to west point and had military experience.
@eldorados_lost_searcher
@eldorados_lost_searcher 2 жыл бұрын
How and who determined what men from what states determined where they went? Usually the units were recruited and trained within their home states, then sent to a rendezvous with other units at a predetermined point, based on current needs of the time. Eastern units would gather near Washington or Richmond, Midwestern units at the numerous junctions on the Mississippi, western units at central railroad junctions. That was for the early war. After that, the reinforcing regiments would get moved as close to the local army using rail or boat transport, then march to meet up with their army. What was the difference between regulars and volunteers? I'm going to assume that this regards the US army, and not the Confederacy. Regulars were formed by and under the administration of the federal government. Their officers were usually West Point graduates. Their equipment was general issue (GI). There were never a large number of these units. The volunteers were formed by the individual states, and their commanding officers were appointed by their governors. Sometimes their commanders were competent, sometimes they were political appointees, sometimes they had actually graduated from West Point. Company officers were often elected by the men and confirmed by the state, sometimes just appointed by the state. The equipment was initially provided by their states (and therefore varied in quality and design at the start of the war). After their initial training, the volunteers would be mustered into federal service, and their supplies and administration would fall under their higher unit (brigade, division, corps, army) authority. So as the war went on, their equipment and uniforms became more standardized, hence the fewer zouave uniforms at the end of the war than at the beginning. Volunteers made up the bulk of the US army. Was there a quality difference? The regulars were usually better drilled and more consistent than volunteers, but that goes with them being professional soldiers. That isn't to say that volunteers were useless, especially toward the middle and end of the war, after gaining experience. But they weren't as consistent in performance right out of the box, so to speak. Who decided who got the better equipment? Quartermasters at the regimental, brigade, division, corps, and army levels would request supplies and equipment, and they were forwarded to the supply depots (such as the one in Philadelphia), who would send the supplies to the units. Everything would be determined by budget, needs of the unit, and availability. There were leaks in the supply chain at all levels, but that's how it'd work in theory.
@sohums.6107
@sohums.6107 3 жыл бұрын
Woah, quick time to react. I just finished the original video, can’t wait for this!
@HankHill11
@HankHill11 3 жыл бұрын
I was about to watch this video, always love seeing you react to videos before i can get to them, great videos
@wafishing4x4
@wafishing4x4 3 жыл бұрын
Love the frame as well as your content, been watching your channel since was tiny. Keep it up but don't forget about us Aussies that would love to see you react to many things that most of rest of world forget as we're like right out the bottom outta the way.
@537monster
@537monster 3 жыл бұрын
From what I understand what he said about anti-war sentiment in in the Union in 1864 was basically correct. There was still a lot of anti-war sentiment after Vicksburg, mostly because of the fact that that while it was a big victory, the Union was really only starting to gain steam.
@newdogmodel3893
@newdogmodel3893 2 жыл бұрын
The Confederacy still had a chance to demoralize the North even during the Siege of Atlanta and Petersburg and the capture of Mobile Bay and the Shenandoah Valley because the North still saw no chance at winning the war but that all changed once Johnston was replaced with Hood at Atlanta and tried to attack Shermans forces but ended up failing miserably and was forced to abandon Atlanta and that all started Shermans March to the Sea and gave hope to the North that they can still win the war and thats when Lincoln was re-elected.
@TheScopeGlint
@TheScopeGlint 3 жыл бұрын
They actually called slavery under contract “indentured servitude”. It history it was used as a way to pay off crippling debts. The difference in the south was probably the intent and the fact that there was no debt that needed to be paid.
@sonicpsycho13
@sonicpsycho13 3 жыл бұрын
Also that it was chattel slavery with children born into it.
@TheScopeGlint
@TheScopeGlint 3 жыл бұрын
@@sonicpsycho13 I actually didn’t know that about the indentured servitude part in the south. I knew the slavery pre-war was that way though. Yeah that makes it even worse
@sonicpsycho13
@sonicpsycho13 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheScopeGlint oh, no. I misunderstood what you were saying then. I was referring to the Antebellum era. In the Reconstruction era, I don't know, but child labor was all too common and children could be forced into bondage as "apprentices". Apprenticeships basically ran find+replace on all of the old slave laws, replacing "slave" with "apprentice".
@honourhorne-jaruk8252
@honourhorne-jaruk8252 2 жыл бұрын
Indentured servants were legally people, with legal rights. Their term of service was defined, and had a known and legally enforced limit. Killing them was murder, injuring them was assault, separating them from their children was kidnapping. _None_ of these protections ever applied to enslaved people of African origin or descent. Race-based chattel slavery was both legally and factually infinitely worse than Indentured service.
@gobblox38
@gobblox38 3 жыл бұрын
The frame for this video looks very professional. This is a great look for your channel.
@dalemayfield6098
@dalemayfield6098 3 жыл бұрын
Background looks great! Happy 4th my dude. 💥
@chesterparish3794
@chesterparish3794 3 жыл бұрын
I like Grant a lot. Some of the things he said and did were racist, but i think its good to have two viewpoints. We should judge people by today's standards and applaud them for their good and chastise for the bad. But i think we should also look back to the time period, not so much to make excuses but to make context and comparisons. I think that both are important. Also, even if Grant said or did things that were racist or old fashioned, actions speak better than words, and he appointed Jewish and Black people to positions of power in the government and he tried to make peace, or at least be civil towards Native Americans. We have to give him that.
@Bluebelle51
@Bluebelle51 3 жыл бұрын
he tried to be "civil" to my people? some of the most horrific massacres were under Grant
@chesterparish3794
@chesterparish3794 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bluebelle51 Did you know he made efforts to grant (no pun intended) Native Americans citizenship rights? He also appointed a Native to Native American affairs and believed that it was worth debating upon Native American rights to land? That was more than most people did in those days. I'm not saying he was a Saint, he did go to war with Natives (after the massacre of a peace negotiator sent to the natives) and massacres did happen under him. But just because they were "under" him doesn't mean he ordered them. And he truly did believe in trying to be fairer to Natives, he even mentioned that in his Inauguration.
@memecliparchives2254
@memecliparchives2254 3 жыл бұрын
@@Bluebelle51 And none of those things were Grant's orders personally. It was literally his corrupt subordinates (this included Sherman) who took advantage of him and the general public opinion against Indians was high that time. Plus it's not like Grant's administration was the only one who did these things. In fact between Andrew Johnson and the Jim Crow era from Hayes to LBJ, Grant's administration was the only time African Americans felt that they were finally being given their rights to citizenship and to vote and Grant made sure they were protected by the army down South.
@chesterparish3794
@chesterparish3794 3 жыл бұрын
@@philmccracken7520 Are you sure you got that right? About the Chinese Exclusion Act? Because that was passed in 1882, under President Arthur and 6 years after Grant left office. The only thing I could find that was similar was the Page Act, which admittedly did basically made it harder for Chinese people to get into the country. I will say that, the Chinese were immigrating into California which was an extremely anti-immigrant state at the time (thats ironic) so most of the information gathered about the Chinese was very biased against them. The Page Act did not explicitly say Chinese people couldn't come, except for the women because they were seen as only prostitutes, once again a lie that Californians made up, probably influencing the government and the people against the chinese. Now, I'm not trying to excuse it but I am trying to put it in more context. As I said, Grant wasn't a saint and he'd be regarded as racist by todays standards. But for his time he was pretty progressive with at least most of his Civil Rights. Also your main argument point was wrong because Grant had nothing to do with the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.
@marknewton6984
@marknewton6984 8 ай бұрын
He was not a good President.
@shadecynical1918
@shadecynical1918 3 жыл бұрын
Oh hey, i just got done watching this, and wondered if you were gonna react to it!
@LudicrousChris
@LudicrousChris 3 жыл бұрын
this frame looks awesome. honestly nothing I think I'd change. Andrea did a great job!
@jonathan_8747
@jonathan_8747 Жыл бұрын
The ark of the covenant bit kills me every time
@suntiger745
@suntiger745 3 жыл бұрын
Layout of frame looks great. I think changing the background to dark grey or navy blue would work better, so you don't get the disappearing hair and shoulders effect when wearing black sweaters. :)
@BuhLooZeR
@BuhLooZeR 3 жыл бұрын
I have made the background slightly lighter - Andrea
@kokocrazy2590
@kokocrazy2590 3 жыл бұрын
I’d say it’s an overwhelming yes. Love the new frame!
@nicolaszan1845
@nicolaszan1845 3 жыл бұрын
Man I'm just LOVING this channel
@simonmuller4674
@simonmuller4674 3 жыл бұрын
The new backround is amazing! The production quality difference in your reaction videos compared to the start is night and day!
@sladedreams
@sladedreams 3 жыл бұрын
After 40 years in the wilderness, your background has finally crossed the Jordan into the promised land 🙌🏼
@PantherJaguar
@PantherJaguar 3 жыл бұрын
"He did he's best to keep it an honorable organization." I cannot believe this person tried to make a terrorist organization sound good or honorable in anyway....
@nocx4592
@nocx4592 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like you're reminding me of another organization... started by the same political party... (not sure if the ellipse means you were already alluding to this or to show an expression of disbelief.)
@Grahf0
@Grahf0 3 жыл бұрын
Actually got into an argument with a Lost Causer over Nathaniel Bedford Forrest. He tried claiming my information was wrong, when he got his name wrong, calling him Daniel Bradford. I tried telling him that Forrest was the first grand wizard of the kkk (deliberately making it lowercase, BTW), and he responded saying I was just spreading lies from Union generals and "the left". This is even after I told him my information came from "Wizard in the Saddle: The Artillery in Nathaniel Bedford Forrest's Cavalry", a book that was written, at least in part, by the chief cavalry officer in NBF's cavalry. The author even says he is the one who inducted Forrest in. Edited... Because I made drunken mistakes. Sorry, vodka night here.
@kevinh2345
@kevinh2345 3 жыл бұрын
Are you not watching modern political spats? That's happening left and right every single day.
@stephenandersen4625
@stephenandersen4625 3 жыл бұрын
@@Grahf0 you mean Nathan Bedford Forrest? ;-)
@PantherJaguar
@PantherJaguar 3 жыл бұрын
@@kevinh2345 I'm aware and it still baffles me.
@bigronnie9629
@bigronnie9629 3 жыл бұрын
Literally just watched this and I saw this. Hell yeah gonna be an amazing 4th of July
@eb4406
@eb4406 3 жыл бұрын
Slavery by Another Name was the title of a very interesting book that I read during a collegiate class on the Civil War. It really shows the horrors of Reconstruction.
@mollywantshugs5944
@mollywantshugs5944 2 жыл бұрын
In fighting games, I have heard plenty of “I should’ve won, but x screwed me over” tirades. There’s even a website dedicated to compiling them named “scrubquotes” (a scrub is a player who treats certain allowed tactics as taboo or otherwise makes excuses for their failures)
@TheGamingCabby
@TheGamingCabby 3 жыл бұрын
I love your reactions to Atun-Shei. I never see you more animated than in these psuedo-debate videos, your passion is very clear.
@HistoryExplained
@HistoryExplained 3 жыл бұрын
I love the new frame above you Chris!
@richeybaumann1755
@richeybaumann1755 3 жыл бұрын
Albert Sidney Johnston is another one who gets overblown in regards to his martial skill due to his death in battle. He was an excellent soldier and the highest-ranking US officer to defect; in fact, he was the highest-ranking officer (by seniority, he held higher rank than Union general Sedgewick, who famously challenged God by declaring that "they couldn't hit an elephant at this distance" and then immediately died from a Confederate sniper) to die in the war, being killed at Shiloh in 1862. (His popliteal artery was sliced by what may or may not have been friendly fire, and he had little feeling in that leg due to a dueling wound to the hip in 1837. He didn't know he was badly wounded until his boot filled with blood, by which point he was a dead man walking.) But as far as the Civil War goes, he didn't do a lot. He doesn't seem to have won any battles during his brief tenure in the West against Grant, and he made several major tactical errors, such as in allowing John Floyd and Gideon Pillow to reinforce Fort Donelson, even knowing Floyd was an incompetent commander. Even Shiloh was a terrible decision. P.G.T Beauregard warned him to call off the attack, fearing an overwhelming Union army, but Johnston insisted. He then proceeded to lead one of the charges personally, riding far ahead of his troops and likely being hit by one of his own men, possibly one of "the Guides", his personal guard.
@mjfleming319
@mjfleming319 3 жыл бұрын
You nailed it, and said it better than I could.
@richeybaumann1755
@richeybaumann1755 3 жыл бұрын
@@mjfleming319 Don't get me wrong; I like Johnston and think he had genuine talent- even Davis thought he was one of the best of the war- but, like Jackson, he had a very niche skill set that didn't lend itself to battles like Shiloh. From sources, it's probable that Beauregard did most of the thinking and Johnston the commanding. (Bonus for Beauregard: unlike most leaders of the time, he was not a racist or a white supremacist. He fought for his state, but he advocated for black suffrage and civil rights post war, using his wealth to fight for rights.) Brave, courage, and an excellent leader of men? Absolutely. A good strategist, tactician, or planner of any kind? Not at all. I'd compare him to George Washington as far as generalship goes. Washington was inspiring, a force to rally behind, and his sheer charisma got his men in line and fighting. But he was not a very good general on the field. He consistently screwed up and got caught off guard by predictable maneuvers.
@mjfleming319
@mjfleming319 3 жыл бұрын
@@richeybaumann1755 I believe you’re correct that the battle plan at Shiloh was mostly Beauregards brain-child. And it wasn’t a bad plan, if it had been executed properly. I think the rebels at Shiloh ran into the same problems the Union usually had early in the war..a great plan, but a great deal of trouble stemming from the near-impossibility of executing complex plans with green troops and officers.
@richeybaumann1755
@richeybaumann1755 3 жыл бұрын
@@mjfleming319 All true. And Beauregard had actually recommended (insisted, in fact, to no avail) that the attack be postponed, as he believed Grant was about to be reinforced and did not want to commit to a battle of overwhelming numbers. Had they arrived on time, their ambush would've worked and Shiloh would've probably been a decisive Rebel victory. Major factors cited in that stagnation: inexperience and poor staff planning. Like you said, inexperienced troops are hard to utilize for complex ambushes. In the video, the Yankee mentions the danger of attempting singular decisive battles, and Beauregard, I think, understood that concept in the same way that Sherman understood the need for a civilian populace and Grant understood how to use his quantities of men to his advantage. And Johnston was a great soldier. He fought in the Seminole wars, the Texan Revolution, all of it. He got his rank through sheer time and courage, not skill. He just seems to have 0 concept of "cutting your losses." Also, he rode in front of his men. Leading them on the field is one thing (and should've been someone with a modicum of tactical ability), but charging recklessly ahead of them into enemy fire is just stupid, exponentially more so when you are the highest ranking officer in the CSA army.
@mjfleming319
@mjfleming319 3 жыл бұрын
@@richeybaumann1755 my opinion is that Beauregard and JE Johnston were the confederacy’s best strategic minds.
@MrWarptime
@MrWarptime 3 жыл бұрын
When are we getting the "So how do you define biggest battle?" shirt?
@ahhlewis_timelapses
@ahhlewis_timelapses 3 жыл бұрын
love the layout of the video. its improved since last time
@EvanONS1
@EvanONS1 3 жыл бұрын
Frame looks perfect. Great job Andrea!
@lry8133
@lry8133 3 жыл бұрын
I lost track of how many times you paused to make a comment only to have him address it immediately after unpausing lol. If it were a drinking game I’d be under the table.
@jeffreygao3956
@jeffreygao3956 8 ай бұрын
Grant is clearly leagues above Lee.
@Casadefunk08
@Casadefunk08 3 жыл бұрын
I live on Norman C Francis so the fact they put it in the video is checkmate to me.
@NIGHTFALLDROP
@NIGHTFALLDROP 10 ай бұрын
Not sure if this question has been answered; but for those wondering, Nathan Forrest's statue was located in Nashville, TN (a stones throw away from Pelaski, TN the site of NBF's creation of the Klu Klux Klan). However, it had been vandalized several times and was eventually taken down in 2021 after the death of the owner.
@stephenhancock1578
@stephenhancock1578 3 жыл бұрын
I think Longstreet was a fine General, and I don't like how he left out how well Gen. Hancock did for the Union, though I might be biased.
@nomar5spaulding
@nomar5spaulding 3 жыл бұрын
Hancock is fairly well known though. I think that's why he's not being mentioned.
@stephenhancock1578
@stephenhancock1578 3 жыл бұрын
@@nomar5spaulding I guess to be fair to them, he was only a corp commander, not an Army commander.
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