Did the Lumix S9 expose the YouTube Problem?

[@MarioCastillion]

Straight up facts and bit by bit dropping truth bombs in here. This video made me a subscriber.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Much appreciated thank you and welcome

[@Kori_INJN]

He didn't get the camera and he made the video complaining because he was losing money

[@TheHybridShooter]

3:57 not true. I was at both 2022 Tokyo Lumix event and 2024 Osaka event. Back when the S5 II was released, I was the only one to say that the A7 IV IBIS (with active mode) is actually better in some situations. There was a ton of videos showing how good is the S5 II IBIS at 24+ mm, but no videos revealing that there is warping at ultra-wide angles. I was accused of being Sony fanboy, paid by Sony etc. There was a lot of drama on rumor sites. Then I made a separate video showing side-by-side samples in many scenarios that couldn't be disputed. Panasonic has called me to ask whether I have updated FW in the camera, I said that I have. Then they said that my testing is representative and everything is OK. I got invited to London event for S5 II X and Osaka event for the S9. Nobody from Panasonic has never said anything bad about any of my criticism, including my video about leaving Panasonic's M43 system and S5 review where I said that the AF is unacceptable. I have never felt pressured by Panasonic, Fujifilm, Sony or anybody else. Also worth mentioning is that the is a ton of pressure from the toxic part of photography community to criticize everything. I don't care about that either, if I think that a widely criticized camera, such as the S9 or even X100VI is actually good, I will just say it... I guess that "being at an event shaming" makes being there as risky as not being from the YT success perspective :)

[@MrBazReviews]

I left a comment on your channel by mistake (meant for this video) I was watching your one too so accept my apologies, but why did you get so defensive with it? Gerald has put a video up saying you'll likely get cut off, not invited to events/reviews if you're overly critical. I can see why it's blown up, and I also think yes many expected more from Panasonic and they misunderstood what people wanted or didn't market research it enough. I don't think that is why people are upset, it's about the other point mentioned.

[@TheHybridShooter]

@@MrBazReviews If I remember it correctly, that comment suggested that my review is not a review because it is not sufficiently critical. That seems like a relevant reason to get defensive IMO. It is OK to criticize any product, but it is also important to understand what is the purpose of the product and what isn't. Niche cameras with compromises have been released before, but I have never experienced this amount of negativity before.

[@MrBazReviews]

@@TheHybridShooter The comment wasn't aimed at you directly, as I said it was meant for this video. I will say one thing though, the pinned comment suggests people look at the S5II/Not for you etc. That isn't something I would put on a video - if you're seen as defending a maker that might be misinterpreted by some. I do think Panasonic misjudged what people wanted, quite clearly - but I don't think that's the source of anger. Lot of disappointment yes, I think the price point is wrong (too high), and I think they did cut out too much (for photographers in particular), so it's a missed opportunity to many. But the Gerald video blow the lid off and that's the source of anger. I've never dealt with Panasonic, but he clearly suggests people get ghosted/not invited etc if you are critical of the product. For such a large creator to say that is very disturbing indeed.

[@TheHybridShooter]

@@MrBazReviews The problem is that his video suggests that the people who were there are submissive sellouts who won’t say anything bad in fear of not being invited again. That is an absolute nonsense. I had no idea that punishing somebody that way is even a thing, as explained above, so I obviously couldn’t have been affected by that.

[@MrBazReviews]

@@TheHybridShooter Maybe that was his own experience, but it has blown things up. It was pretty damning even if he tried to word it politely.

[@fred4859]

Some of us did not know they were taking trips on the company’s dime. Regardless of any feelings against Gerald once he pointed out that people were losing access to future cameras it became all too clear you could no longer trust said reviewer. In my mind Gerald is not above that criteria but understanding what he exposed changes a lot for me and my subscription list. My anger at certain reviewers is truthfully due to getting burned by these shill reviews. This video is great thank you for just being honest and talking to us straight. Many of these people who got exposed are now dancing around it , trying to misdirect what it really is. I will not be surprised if we start now getting the same old apologist themed videos when it’s clear the truth hurt.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Absolutely and thank you for weighing in with your comments.

[@rotvonrat]

Steve Hoff was the first 'big KZbinr' to tell the whole truth about the camera industry and the influencers, and he told far more than Mr. Undone, a real eye-opener. He was so ashamed that he stopped doing camera reviews altogether.

[@manilamartin1001]

I love Steve. I didn't know he stopped reviewing gear.

[@Raist3db]

He did? I liked him in many ways but sometimes he acted as such a big shill (Olympus comes to mind). But if he came clean, I would love to see his video on that.

[@motorcycle-man]

I have so many beginner videographers that I have yet to teach how to properly white balance a shot who are already looking into that $5k and upwards camera body because it has 8K 60 and the KZbinr said it's the greatest thing ever and you need it to future proof yourself and etc etc. It's bonkers.

[@orinorio1]

Great point. What happen to wanting to be a Videographer so I can create mindset. Learning the basics. Seems that most beginners just wanna buy a camera sit in there rooms in front of it and talk about gear. Yet don't go out and shoot anything with it. The creative mindset is slowly deing. Replaced by the look at me mindset

[@Vincentecreativeservices]

Man you're quick! I just watched Gerald's video. I just got into brand content, this is a wonderful introduction to dealing with companies and morality.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Some don’t place value in what Gerald has spoken about because they don’t consider him a legitimate photographer or videographer not having seen his body of work. I would argue the point that that hardly matters as the circus that is the influencer based KZbin content is a flawed system.

[@DreamReleases]

Photography is, and will always be an element of the Arts. Gerald Undone does a diservice to photography. Ok to be a geek, however one does not need to be a geek to enjoy the arts.

[@Tarets]

​@@DreamReleases Nonsense. Gerald does not run a photography channel. He runs technical reviews channel so that actual artists and artisans on their own could make educated choices on the tools they'll want to use. If you prefer to rely on someone's artistic authority instead of numbers and measures, then it's your choice, but you're in no position to tell others what the photography is about.

[@raredreamfootage]

Matteo Bertoli is one who doesn't disclose that he works with Blackmagic (not for, but with). He'll get long term loaners or equivalent, but never states he is given the camera.

[@manilamartin1001]

I've seen some of his videos. Good to know that. thanks.

[@TechWandererYT]

I honestly think that some creators going into the extreme defensive here says a lot.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Absolutely

[@fotosvond_]

I have wondered why some creators that are fairly well known invested so much into self-defense below Gerald's post because if they just do their stuff thoroughly, they don't need to feel hurt or hit by his statement. That says a lot more about them than about his critics.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

@@fotosvond_ truth!!!

[@FredRanger]

Great points, Joe. I’ve grappled with this dilemma myself and ultimately decided to avoid being on a camera company’s payroll. Essentially, it boils down to whether KZbin remains a passion project or becomes your main source of income. I’m happy with the choice I made a couple of years ago, even if it means my channel’s growth is slower.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Same here my friend. You know the boat I’m in. Been in it for years. I talk about gear I use and enjoy.

[@FredRanger]

@@JoeDAgostinoPhoto💯

[@prherman]

And that is why I enjoy your channel so much. And Joe’s too. I think the others have their place too but viewers need a very healthy dose of “caveat emptor” when watching them. I’m really surprised that needs to be said, but clearly it does.

[@FredRanger]

@@prherman Thank you! 🙏🏻 Part of what makes KZbin an insteresting place is its diversity in the types of content you can find. Once you find the content type you like, it’s fairly easy is to find other “creators” with a similar approach/vibe. See you on our channels 🤘🏻

[@FredRanger]

@@prherman thank you 🙏🏻 Joes channel and mine are what I would call: “not yet polluted with sponsored content” ;)

[@jeanchindeko5477]

8:57 please allow me to disagree! Viewers are the problem! People don’t want to spend time doing their own research. People want instant gratification. On KZbin you’ll hear everywhere productivity this or productivity that, and too many are buying in it. It’s your money, your choice then why should it someone else to take the blame for your choice (generally the bad one)? Why aren’t people going in the camera store, touch the camera, feel by themselves, take the time to read the manual, and more importantly practice to learn the gear? No camera or gear for the matter is perfect. And no gear will ever be perfect. They are all tools design for a specific functions and demographic (particular group of users). Why all camera coming out should be for you, your needs, your workflow, etc…? Why if a camera doesn’t have the features you need or are looking for, it’s a bad camera? I’ve heard a guy reviewing the S9 for professional wedding filmmakers as himself he is a wedding professional filmmaker! Have this camera be built for this segments of user? Obviously not! It’s like a computer technician reviewing a spoon and saying this spoon is bad because I cannot fix my customer computer with it!

[@MonstaBlocka]

💯 I tested it and bought it straight away (as a B camera for my S5IIX). It was really fun, the images were great, it's smaller than expected, and the app is awesome.

[@MrBazReviews]

Buyers deserve to have critical reviews, which are genuine and convey the good AND bad points of a product. Nobody who reviews any product or camera, is there to market it or sell it for the company. That isn't a review What this has shown is who is trying to make reviews, and who isn't. I'm glad this has blown up because it was long overdue.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Well said

[@tjkrueger2655]

The issue with youtube gear reviews is the whole gear talk industry itself, beyond the risks of influence and bias. It's the turn to sensational clickbait, discussing camera models/brands like politics or sports, and the fetishization of specs rather than the whole experience. People are making thousand dollar decisions based on these reviews, and yet the reviewers are using preproduction models for a very short period of time and racing to be the first to post a vid after the NDA lifts. Long term reviews have no place when this platform rewards trending keywords and uber-topical subjects, and we the viewers are guilty for playing along with this spectator sport. Even Gerald is part of the problem at times, his methodology sometimes gives him cover for his blind spots and bias. But you're right, it's the same people year after year, and they always have to hedge their opinions, or keep it light and positive. This round of reviews for the S9 is just blatantly laughable... the shortcomings and drawbacks of this camera (and lens) are the kinds of qualities they often fixate on otherwise. I guess if you offer the camera in fun colors the review doesn't need to be so serious, or maybe that paid trip to japan where they're handed a camera face to face (rather than shipped), it's harder to be critical subconsciously.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Well said and spot on sir. Thank you for the reply.

[@MarioCastillion]

Exactly!!!!

[@michelecintramika8482]

For me this camera is a fullframe quality phone. I'm going to buy it because I already have a Canon R6 Mark II. I want this S9 as a fullframe phone to shoot on the street.

[@ryanstark2350]

The funny thing is that this Lumix S9 probably is a "gamechanger" in many ways not just in what they did with the camera but the whole hype of all of this. I hope it makes people look at Lumix cameras. They seem to be very underrated. The S5II is an excellent camera.

[@bondgabebond4907]

Trouble today is that technology moves so fast that the camera you hold is technically 'old.' I wonder if that is one reason lots of people are going back to using mechanical cameras? If film wasn't so expensive, if processing wasn't so bad, I'd do more. It was a simpler time last century. A Pentax Spotmatic F made as good images as a Nikon or Canon. We knew what was for general consumer use and what was for the professionals. Yet they all operated the same. Simple. I don't care about these 'gamechangers.' It all boils down to: Can you take a good/excellent picture with any camera???? I'd pit my 1979 Nikon F2 against any Lumix. They are all dependent on a battery and useless without one. My Nikon is all mechanical and will work long after that 'gamechanger' Lumix is dead and buried.

[@Chrishopton]

Only one KZbinr openly said that LUMIX has given him the S9 to keep, which what I find strange when nobody else mentioned this🤣 it’s the same with S5 MKII. This is payment, so be honest with the viewers.

[@VoltLover00]

Which makes it sponsored content and in violation of KZbin's terms if not marked as such, not to mention ILLEGAL in the US

[@ChrisFrand]

@@VoltLover00and EU where if we followed the law to the letter even when they say it is sponsernd they might have broken it they just don’t enforce it as strict as it is in the law

[@aeskellion]

I don’t think there’s any problem with the situation around the Lumix S9. Why? because this is one of the first times we are in a modern era with Lumix, usually known for making cameras destined to professionals, now catering to… let’s say the mainstream. And now what we’re seeing is professionals being upset that a new camera that isn’t for them doesn’t fit their needs. It feels like those professionals were expecting the S9 to be more akin to the S5II while costing less, and that is simply not possible. I feel like if Panasonic wanted to make a no compromise compact version of the S5 they would’ve named it something with S5 in it, the S9 is another product and a new kind of product that is not aimed at professionals. So of course, when those creators were invited to Japan to talk about this camera, what Panasonic wants is for people to be aware of its existence and the best way to do that is to invite content creators/influencers to talk about it. But I guess they weren’t expecting them to project their professional mindset onto that camera and end up confused. In my opinion as an amateur photographer, the S9 is fine, and I’m looking forward to see more videos on it so that I can decide if it’s a good candidate to replace my Fuji X100T. That’s my take.

[@carlosq00]

Great job 👏🏽 instantly subscribed

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

I appreciate it and thanks for the sub.

[@danieleppelsheimer9273]

I am glad you did this comment review I use the Leica stuff too. Great Undone came apart in his comment review. The most interesting part of His comment review is the recent birth of his son. I think that is the second child in his family. A lot of new stress for Gerald.

[@Vahagraphy]

I've been saying this on my channel for 2 years. The industry practices need to change. its always the same ol reviewers saying the same ol things.

[@jeanchindeko5477]

The issue here is more profound. There are so many parties in play here: pro KZbinr, fan boy, influencers, camera company, small KZbinr and all the viewer who think KZbinrs owns them anything in the first place! And all those groups of peoples have their own interest. Camera manufacturers want people to say nice things of their products, this have all time been and will all time be and it’s called marketing. Pro KZbinrs have bills to pay, fan boys have their preferred brand to protect like if they were in religion or politics, and viewers are getting lazy! All this drama is fun to watch but will not solve this problem as it’s the whole system which need to be reviewed, and no one want to do that, attack the beast which is social media with all those actors.

[@orinorio1]

The KZbin problem has been here for years now when it comes to camera KZbinrs. Soon as camera KZbinrs become influencers that's when they become sellers. The content become a person just talking to the camera about gear instead of them showing how they used the gear. They became the product. Spend more times getting thier looks rights then actually using the gear they want to to review. Creative content is slowly fading and the look at me content has taken over .

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

So true

[@orinorio1]

@@JoeDAgostinoPhoto Camera brands know this. I have a feeling that Lumix paid Gerald to do the video he did. He talked about the camera and Lumix and those who did reviews, witch got people to go watch those who reviewed the S9 and those who were invited, Gerald marketing the S9 without having to or wanting to review it. It worked. Camera brands see all publicly as publicity those who are invited or are given a camera to review are chosen based on how many Subs they have and how good they are at selling the product.

[@Cthames123]

5:15 I agree and this has been my experience. They all seem to focus on the exact same things and all sound the same, following a very similar script. I find I have to look at alot of videos, and even find the smaller channels, in search of anyone who will say anything different. My favorite videos, (that I trust), come from those who actually demonstrate test results of the products and pit one against the other, but unfortunately that takes a lot of time and energy and maybe hard for a youtuber who has a smaller channel to put that level of energy into making one video.

[@fotosvond_]

What you said here about companies being punitive directly made me think about Canon and Apple based on my own experiences as a consumer and viewer of these reviews. :D

[@paulcherrytrains3339]

I want to see an honest review and not an advert for the product.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Agreed

[@searam1]

Cheers Joe, this is Sean in Atlanta! This is the first video of yours that I have ever seen and I know and agree with 100% of what you were saying. When this Lumix came out, I wondered who in the world this camera is for other than for vloggers. I have no idea who this is for because they have crippled it so much that it has to only be for making videos. It is not a great camera and for all those reviewers that I have followed for years that are raving about this camera, I am going to start chopping heads off my subscription list. I don’t like dishonest reviews unless you tell me “I am doing this for money”. Thanks for being honest because that earned you a subscriber. Sean P.S. Slapping some coloured skin over a camera to make it look like other brands does not make it great.

[@DreamReleases]

Cuz the camera isn't for YOU. That's the problem. Some people believe that if it isn't for them, it's crippled. News flash, Ya dont need a dsmn EVF to take fotos. Nor do you need a damn flash

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Thank you for watching.

[@bingbong4848]

I’ve watched pretty much every review. The majorly all pointed out the major shortfalls of the camera. It’s pretty plain to see their disappointment in these areas. But they’re also entitled to point out the interesting features of the camera, which may be the bits you don’t care about. As an adult you make an informed decision. Secondly, I watch a lot of KZbinrs. I can say that I had no idea who half the reviewers were for this release. The idea that it’s the same ‘shills’ every time is based on assumption, not fact. Yes, many of the usual suspects were there, but there seemed to be a good balance. A release review is only an initial impression in a nice environment. Ideally products should be used for a while before being properly reviewed. If the industry did not churn out a new camera every week then this might happen, but sadly not the case. IMO it’s also about time viewers and reviewers actually start using the comment section. If you feel a reviewer hasn’t covered something, viewer should ask in the comment section and youtubers should give feedback via pinned comment or follow up video. Right now comment section is pretty much used for complaints or bashing others.

[@manilamartin1001]

New to your channel. I think you are mostly right except that I am probably a Lumix fanboy and am sad this may affect the sales of Lumix here in Philippines where it is already a declining brand. I would have rather seen someone, anyone call out some of the other horrible gear pushed on us by disingenuous KZbinrs over the years. All I ever see is KZbinrs patting each other on the back when they are all basically shilling for camera companies.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

I agree with you. I really do like some of the Panasonic gear. I think it’s just the timing of event that lead to this issue being exposed and it just happened to be at the expense of the LUMIX S9.

[@TopshelfJunior]

Interesting video.. Thanks for sharing. I take everybody's KZbin opinion on gear with a grain of salt. You know what I do ? I listen to and trust MY gut instinct...and then I make a decision. A decision to purchase something, and then go outside and shoot with it. No talking in the comments, no opinions staying in limbo, no NON-BUYING and just yapping, I see it...I get it...I shoot it. I tuned out all the hoopla and buzz and noise and hate, saw something(s) in the S9 that I personally like and work for ME, and I'm outside with it. And TBH it's been great, some of the most fun I've had shooting a camera in a LONG time. Nobody made that happen for me, not YT, not Gerald, nobody lol. And I think that's what we need to get back to. Trusting our own instinct and standing on our own two feet. And if we do wanna let an opinion nudge us or steer us away from something, make sure that opinion is worth something.. An opinion from someone who is really outside shooting, and not just behind a desk or at a table with a light.

[@ohnoflicks]

Yeah saw Gerald’s vid when it came out. Refreshing. I don’t even watch the reviews when the cameras come out. Waste of time. In fact the only camera I ever preordered was the Nikon Zfc a couple of years back. Otherwise I kind of wait for the bugs to work themselves out on new cams and go from there. I see you are a Leica SL2-s user. Here too. The images have such great depth and I even enjoy shooting it in full hard sun. Look forward to seeing your Leica vids.

[@SMGJohn]

Christ this has been a problem since 2009, its funny how people act like "oh its a problem now, oh finally someone talked about it" LOL, God I miss the good old DPReview and DigitalRev, at least they had hair on their balls back then.

[@1bozina]

Yep. As of late the fan boy base over at DPReview forums falls in line with the manufacturers. Heaven forbid someone point out an issue and you are then attacked as "not knowing how to use your gear" or "user error", etc... If something sucks or is stupid so be it.

[@j.s.2767]

its not just gear either. like youtube movie critics that shill for movies for early access. disney was notorious for this

[@shadle2361]

I've commented the same thing on other videos. I believe KZbinrs lost all their credibility when they tried to justify the pancake f8 lens, claiming it's great for beginners. Can you imagine the disappointment when an amateur spends $2,000 on a camera and lens, only to lose all image quality when lighting conditions get slightly darker? It's sad because the problem likely stems from a few individuals at Lumix HQ who approved this mediocre product.

[@jeanchindeko5477]

Why should KZbinr be the bad guys here? Why is it all time someone else fault, someone else to take the blame? Why isn’t it the viewers fault? Me, you and everyone else making buying decisions based on KZbin videos? The whole system is build for one and one thing: make Google make more money! And even this drama will contribute to help KZbin make more money. KZbin is free because we viewers are the products on that platform! If you pay KZbin subscription then you’re buying Google products and are less a product yourself. People might be seeing your work and KZbin channel and might not consider it as valuable enough for them (no offence), so the real question you should ask as a KZbinr is how much values am I bringing for the growth of those actors in the camera industry? And that doesn’t mean you’re doing a bad job, or your content mediocre, just for them there is not much value there to help them grow their business! (Again no offence)

[@JeffBourke]

Everyone knew about it but most people just want in on the gravy train. Getting ridiculous now

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Absolutely and that’s why I titled it they way I did. I feel like it was so blatantly obvious this time around concerning this camera.

[@iamalexchua]

This is my take on, what I call them, Professional KZbinrs hyping up products: They are doing their jobs as KZbinrs. They get paid with money or free travel by brands so they will promote products whether they are good or terrible. Is it ethical? Of course not but thats their job. To market and get their pay. Should they be more transparent? They should but hey, it is what it is. The consumers must be vigilant and understand if the products being pushed will make our lives easy or will it be another cash grab.

[@Cthames123]

I have to agree, ultimately it’s up to the consumers who are the ones spending their hard earned money. Hard to blame youtubers for doing their job, so I always take what they say with a grain of salt, and never go by the word of a single one. I will purposely seek out the smaller channels to hear the word from the “less influential influencers” and those who are more candid in their style.

[@VoltLover00]

Many of them are in violation of US law and KZbin's terms for accepting a free camera and NOT marking the video as sponsored

[@Cthames123]

@@VoltLover00 Some of them can get around that by taking a “free extended loaner product for the purposes of making their video”, or by making the statement, ”no money changed hands and the company did not ask to see my video, nor do they have any input on what I say…”, but there is still enrichment going on. The youtuber has something many times that no one else has and people flock to their video because they have seen something that not many have had a chance to take a look at. The camera company feels they have the latest “it” thing and sells the influencers on the game changing aspect of the camera. After one year goes, by the influencer is talking about how garbage that thing is now and the camera company doesn’t care because they have another game changer ready to give them so they can repeat the cycle.

[@DreamReleases]

It was a very good idea for Jerald Undone to be left apart from the Panasonic S9. What photography has he done?

[@老实人-g9n]

That’s literally some recent released lens filters by PolarPro. Every KZbinrs claim they are game changers without explaining solid reason.

[@MysticalSpacePotato]

This camera has only one truly good feature which is the open gate recording. Every other aspect of the camera is terrible or on par with its competitors. I’ve seen the same reviewers who say how baffling recording limits are in 2022-present day is baffling, only to then completely gloss over the recording limits for the S9. IMO this camera is more comparable to smartphones if you ignore the open gate recording. It’s perfect for nobody because it’s use case is so specific to short form media creators who… would benefit more from a good phone camera…. Which they already have…..

[@JeffBourke]

You can’t trust any of them.

[@Imhotep397]

I do feel like most of the cameras are pretty exceptional these days and there’s not a lot air between most. The difference is almost more in handling preferences a lot of times and a a few features here and there. I don’t like being outright deceived. What I don’t necessarily like is large brands like Panasonic using influencers to indirectly takes shot at other companies like Fujifilm. The first time I saw an anti Fujifilm Panasonic video I thought, “Harsh, but I can see where you’re coming from.” Then there’s like this raft of anti Fujifilm Lumix S9 “reviews”. Obviously, all kinds of people have all kinds of ideas but there’s not going to be a bunch independent reviewers deciding to bash an unrelated company separately without an orchestrated plan of some kind.

[@the_sologlass]

We'll said.

[@grantrobertdavies]

Yeah man, I've learnt a TONNE while watching this S9 Event Unfold - I'm just at about 7.7k subs and this has taught me to be VERY careful on what I say Yes too moving forward!!!

[@bingbong4848]

You better be at that summit next year G, or I’m unsubscribing 😂 I trust you to make an objective review. Keep going!

[@grantrobertdavies]

@@bingbong4848 LOL :)

[@Cthames123]

Ok I saw,what you did there….😂 shout to the conspiracy fella!

[@angeloplayforone]

Why now with Lumix?

[@jeffkogler1170]

It seems to me that manufacturers and youtube reviewers underestimate the ability of customers and viewers to exercise discernment and good judgement when evaluating what they watch and buy. There is a lot of word of mouth honest critique by those customers and users also if one seeks it out.

[@bigtiger567]

well it is not that bad... Kai Wong, Gordon Laing and Chris Nicholls's reviews are both balanced, and if you watch carefully, you can see that they all believe the camera is a failure. I am a big fan of lumix. I love its ergonomics and color science. But I certainly believe they designer of lumix g100, g9 ii, lumix s9 should be fired.

[@Mr_Quimper]

I was watching a reviewer who had been flown out to Japan. Compared to the other reviewers I follow, I found his take 'unique' at best (He was very positive. As opposed to the lukewarm responses of the other reviewers). By the next day he had obviously received a lot of "you ok bro?" "nah bruv" responses. He decided to double down and produce a snappy vid pushing the S9. ok fine so far. Until he said in the first minute “Some people forget that they can click the f… off”. So I unsubscribed. Thank you for making me aware of Gerald. Have a Sub on me. 👍

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Jonny Depp holding a camera? Yeah not really into him either. Thats fine though. Everyone has a right to speak their mind.

[@BigCityBusiness]

I bought an AC7… wish I waited a little bit to get the mark 2 or R version. But I will use the Sony. Get used to the Sony system. But it’s kinda wack how KZbinrs hype up every new release. Garbage.

[@VoltLover00]

So much shilling on KZbin, like 99% of videos

[@saxinat0r]

> spends hundreds of dollars on a microphone > audio comes from left channel only Otherwise, great video.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Ahhh check your system. This is false. Thanks though.

[@VynZography]

Hi Joe, if this S9 wasn’t so demonstrably terrible, it wouldn’t have been so obvious how deep this deception goes. There is just no excuse for what happened here. It’s gone too far now.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

That is the main reason why I think it exposes a lot about the industry. Thanks

[@visualkeysk7392]

why is the S9 so terrible? perhaps for you, I have one pana S1h, and this camera as a second allaround camera, is going to give me the same quality, with same lenses in very small body, just what i was looking for.

[@DreamReleases]

People are simply butt hurt because something was designed without the intention of pleasing them. You do not need a flash or micro OLED EVF to take fotos. Ever.

[@Mr.Zen_73]

the straw that broke the camels back! Well done Mr. Undone! I There's a reason Sony has cornered the youtube camera market, they've been paying off most of them for years

[@Mr.Zen_73]

@mipmipmipmipmip I would agree 100% with that!

[@keima1110]

no one compare S9 with EOS R8 ... the camera that is the same price, and same weight...

[@baihu4u]

Because it isn't designed nor marketed to be compared to the R8. Obviously.

[@keima1110]

@@baihu4u Eos r8 has similar price weight and spec. It is comparable in every aspect but clearly R8 is the winner.

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

embargoed tech and car reviews really stomped any trust in KZbin bigger creators

[@dunric88]

If you think most of the people are braindead idiots who can’t decide what to buy and what not for themselves, then yes, very legit. But if you can just assume for a second reviewers can really enjoy this or that camera for different reasons, not only because they were invited to the event… and all the specs are known, you can see how the camera looks like etc. If you like it, you buy, if not, just don’t. But I guess if someone buys anything because another guy on the internet told them so, probably they deserve it.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

I agree with you I don’t believe the people are brain dead. I just don’t like the lack of transparency.

[@angeloplayforone]

Very stupid to buy something based on one reviewer.

[@angeloplayforone]

@@JoeDAgostinoPhotoAll You Tubers I watched, who went to the events said clearly that Panasonic paid for the travel and expenses and they are not obligated to create a review. I don’t see the lack of transparency. Gerard Undone is not a professional photographer, videographer of journalists and base his channel on camera reviews. Any intelligent person will see that if he is not invited then his channel lose view, hence he is out of business. People like Manny Ortiz, Richard Wong or other are professionals earning money on other things that their KZbin channel Tube channels. Guys like Gordon Laing replied to him asking him why he doubts their integrity. Gordon said that he is a journalist for more then 30 years covering cameras and photography for different magazine. So this mean since for more 60 years journalist covering cameras for magazine going to events does not have integrity.

[@kennethmyrez]

this is my experience with the RICOH GR3. almost every youtube photographer talked about it when at that price, it's got a lot of flaws such as dust problems, no flip up screens, and short battery life just to name a few. yet it's priced over 1k

[@angeloplayforone]

Problems is that they have many cameras and his this camera as a simply carry around camera and not their main.

[@kennethmyrez]

@@angeloplayforone that doesn't justify the price. I think it's way too overhyped and that's what I believe to have pumped the price

[@MonstaBlocka]

I think it's good that some manufacturers create something of their own. The GR3 focuses on "must be small". Many people never test the cameras. They read and watch KZbin to get some kind of guarantee from someone else. But not everything is written on paper, the best example is the S9. I bought the S9 straight after testing it because I like what it is (as a B camera)

[@pragmaticfilmmaking]

Although I agreed with Gerald, his video came across as a bit like sour grapes for not being invited to the Japan Lumix event. Additionally, his dismissive review of the GH6 and the streaking issue didn't align with my experience. I've been shooting with and own 2 GH6s for the past couple of years, and in practice, the only time I've experienced the streaking is when shooting in VLOG at lower ISOs. As long as I'm shooting at 2000 ISO (similar to shooting in S-log with certain Sony cameras) with DR boost turned on, it's never been an issue. However, now people who've never used the camera just repeat what he said or decided to stick with their GH5, even though the GH6 is a better camera in every way. The problem isn't KZbinrs going on a trip; it's how they're now calling anyone who criticizes the S9 a hater, or saying the camera isn't for us, even though the reality is it's just not a good camera.

[@angeloplayforone]

Have you went to the Lumix event? A agree with you that it seems like sours grapes.

[@EH-pm1ke]

It was pretty obviously nothing to do with sour grapes for not being invited

[@pragmaticfilmmaking]

​@@EH-pm1ke Do you think he would have made that video if he had been invited? Also, his own critique of the same issues is inconsistent across different brands.

[@ceelothatmane9421]

I’m not seeing what all the hubbub is about. No one is forced to buy a camera they dont want. If you don’t know enough about cameras to know what you do and do not need in your camera from just a specs overview and field test review then that’s more of an issue with the individual’s camera knowledge than with the company or reviewer. I don’t get what Gerald was so pressed about. Companies have to play to their advantage. Not every company has Sony ponies. Not every company has the technology either. I’m a lumix fanboy, so I’d love to go to give LUMIX reviews. I love their products. Affordable and efficient. The S5 is the modern GH5. For what I do, you can’t go wrong with it

[@MikeRinz]

Watching youtubers pushing that crippled beyond belief camera made me sick. Oh, no mechanical shutter, slow readout speed, banding, panasonic thumb dial that always acts up - not a big deal, it's all about LUTs, guys! 🤮

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Truth

[@strippedlist]

Don't aplaud him, he didn't created one video or photoshoot ever....he is the reason why youtube is failing to deliver the truth....he never went on the field and used the cameras in actual work or for hobby....the last photo he took was with sigma.40mm 1.4 on a Canon ef camera....so in his video he is saying so subtle. Panasonic needed sheep's in Osaka....Cammckey or Manny Ortiz are not sheeps....they do use that gear on the field....I really like you and your work...but see the facts!!!!

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

I understand what you’re saying, but it doesn’t make it less true. Unfortunately, this is way the industry revolves.

[@strippedlist]

@JoeDAgostinoPhoto I would come to your class of photography even if it costs me 6 months of paycheck in my country!!!! You have something to show!!!! He doesn't!!! He just realised he is a tool and it hurts him...he never went to Fujifilm, Panasonic, Sony or Nikon or Canon factory and really see how and why a camera has some features and some don't....the process of creating a camera....just think of all the film cameras made in the 70's, 80''s...there was no Gerard Undone to criticise those cameras....they just worked and bought joy to the users

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Well I appreciate that you enjoy my work and I thank you for the kind words.

[@I_D_W_I_W_D_W_I]

So, you're mad that Gerald lumped your favorite creators in with influencers that brands think they can persuade to make only positive content for their brand, AKA sheep. You're mad about that and are now saying that "Gerald is not a real tester in the real world"... Gerald's videos are so extremely in-depth with great examples and detail. To say that "Gerald doesn't use cameras in actual work" shows your lack of knowledge in this discussion.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

@@I_D_W_I_W_D_W_I no I’m not saying that at all. You have seemed to miss the mark entirely. I’m saying that the reviews we have seen time and time again are flawed. They are flawed because of the system companies have set up in order to review product for review. Gerald doesn’t talk about camera experience. He breaks down gear in a scientific way. Unlike him I speak of gear based off of user experience. Each Method has its merits. I’m opposed to big brands putting pressure or influences to cast positive light on gear that is clearly flawed. Nothing more. It’s been happening for a long time.

[@markshirley01]

I'm really bored and suspicious of gear reviews

[@strippedlist]

I trust the results!!!! Not the tool Joe....

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

I have no experience with the camera like I said.

[@tariqueorderson9808]

undone is a hypocrite he has been herding consumers to sony for years, now he has a problem when lumix does it.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

That may be the case. I don't know the man personally. It's just out of hand when everything is a sales pitch by the same players.

[@angeloplayforone]

Gerard main source of revenue is talking about cameras on KZbin Tube that is his problem. Many other reviewers are also professionals in photography or videography. Someone like Gordon Laing said to Gerard that he is journalist with 30 years in business reviewing cameras for different magazines. Before You Tube journalist of magazine like the deceased Popular Photography and others flew to events from the manufacturers. He said he went as a journalist to this events. Gerard is not a professional videographer, photographer or journalist.

[@EH-pm1ke]

He’s the opposite of a hypocrite

[@MysticalSpacePotato]

He’s a hypocrite for shepherding people to one of the best camera systems with the best auto focus performance, the largest amount of affordable 3rd party lenses and a company that doesn’t shut down negative feedback??

[@tariqueorderson9808]

@@MysticalSpacePotato its still unethical and illegal

[@michaelsingJiuJitsu]

The shilling is so blantantly obivious, I stopped watching youtube camera reviews and launch event years ago because they are basically just useless. If you want to know about a camera you should watch Gearald's video about it. The rest of you have very little to offer me... I don't follow you or subscribe to you, this video is being force fed to my feed by youtube. I'm not even going to watch your thoughts on it because I don't care what you have to say.

[@JoeDAgostinoPhoto]

Sorry to hear that you don’t follow or subscribe but I respect your position. If you would have watched you would have seen that I agree with you and made this video in support or Gerald’s position.

[@jimgiraffe5253]

dont forget kasey at camera conspiracies - he called it out 2 days ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGS6fIGHnayAnas he also called out the dodgyness of insta360