Did This Cliffhanger Work? | Legend of Ruby Sunday Review

[@HarboWholmes]

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[@waynetolhurst8801]

I wouldnt say Maestro ignoring Sutekh is a plot hole they know hes the one who waits. They're not gonna turn around to them and say you do realise Sutekhs on ya ship mate haha

[@waynetolhurst8801]

Lets add our own fan lore as well and say she saw him in the wasteland scene and that prompted her to tell him hes almost here when she gets "banished" im not convinced these gods will stay gone. Two terrific on screen castings so far in Neil Patrick Harris and Jinx Monsoon it would be a waste to never see them again. Also i dont see many people mentioning how Sutekhs way back to us is one big giant trap...built for the doctor...perhaps it wasnt just Sutekh who had been set free into our reality. Perhaps The Trickster is lurking nearby. as powerful and smart as Sutekh is a big trap like that isnt the way we know him to operate

[@waynetolhurst8801]

Also i have my own question id like to ask. With the constant hints of 3 things to become one as part of a Triad. Do you think its possible we may get a RTD swerve and he finds a way to involve the Threefold Deity of Mischief Malice and Misery

[@winger6758]

I rewatched the episode 4 times an I noticed something interesting in the scene where Mrs Flood came in, on the clock the desk it has already passed 15:00 as it on 15:08 yet the speech was suppose to take place at 15:00, Although I might be over analysing it but I find that this is prevalent on that scene an really does stand out yet no one has mentioned this even once

[@waynetolhurst8801]

@@winger6758 respect my man i couldnt handle my 4th. So exposition heavy and a tiny bit doctor who for dummies but im off in cinema tomorrow so ill watch it there anyways. Yes this a great hypothecy im now gonna stop typing this comment and go check something if the times lineup.............after research i conclude to back yours. The speech starts at 3 and the final line drops around 7 minutes after therefore i back you that Mrs Flood does happen after Sutekh is back which would explain a darkening sky we see after but not in following shots perhaps during the Mel and Doctor scene we know we're getting that is when the sky is being took over by sand and darkness well...Sutekhs Gift Of Death. Perhaps time lord hints at Mrs Flood are red herrings or still concurrant with the narrative. One things for certain Congrats Russel T Davies i think you may have actually topped your Bad Wolf arc with how good this one has us questioning. Sutekhs been hinted by various things all season and as he makes great point of in this video the season 1 marketing lookin like the Sutekh time corridor. But to conclude everything ive investigated your theory does back up on it being placed afttterrrr Sutekhs grand reveal and there is definitely heavy emphasis on the clock directly before Mrs Flood enters and it starts glitching out just before this happens.

[@FaolanCortez]

Azbantium Patron here! Russell knows how to set up a truly phenomenal cliffhanger! I was squealing in my seat upon Sutekh's name being revealed! The music alone was very haunting and I honestly love Sutekh's new design in the modern era. A more polished and animalistic version to display his dominion in the most atrocious way possible. It was so nice to hear Gabriel Woolf return for Sutekh's voice! *BRING ON EMPIRE OF DEATH!* 🤩💚

[@BlueJelly47]

its really him

[@sunsetsstarsrise3011]

The man, the myth, the legend!! Totally agree!! I was so hyped

[@KingJake-om7yq]

HE EXISTS

[@qyntifex]

your real!?!?!?

[@normak7041]

Almost as crazy as meeting James Bidsonete and Kelly Moneymaker

[@DanskeCrimeRiderTV]

I’m pretty sure the reason the TARDIS isn’t materializing is because there’s something wrong with it like the groaning as well.

[@zocialix]

Probably trying to shake off Sutekh

[@anonagain]

Definitely an integral part of the story - not just a creative choice. The clues this season are everywhere now that we know who the one who waits is...from Newton saying "What the Devil" when he sees the Tardis to the Beatles singing "My dog is alive, he's not dead". 🙂 Not to mention all the references and images of triangles and Triad. This season's going to take several re-watches to catch it all...and I suspect it's going to take a 'triad' (3 characters) to defeat Sutekh.

[@olived9560]

ooooo

[@marcus9434]

@Danske: That's a very plausible explanation 👍🏽 I believe it's the Disney bucks that extend the special effects beyond fade-in/fade-out. I prefer the minimalist de/re-materialization for time-capsule arrivals and departures. They can apportion the rest of the budget to time vortex effects and better writers.

[@AxelaxiB]

@@zocialixit’s probably sutekh driving. He’s physically moving the Tardis from location to location but the Tardis is the one moving through time.

[@dracrorasco4907]

I love how Gabriel Woolf still continues to voice Sutekh even after all these years

[@Comicbroe405]

Honestly I'm grateful that he got to voice the character.

[@barry1369]

as someone who hoped it would be the trickster and then hearing Gabriel Woolf’s voice I was like no way is that Gabriel Woolf wtfffff 😂😂😂

[@MrCoolio1]

“Because of salt” is really turning into the new “Time War messed the timeline” when talking about changes in continuity

[@EddJones25]

“Because of salt”, and anything else, they'll leave fans to work out, and explain between themselves on extended Twitter posts

[@pyxl666]

"Because of salt", from what I see, was really just the explanation for The Celestial Toymaker's return. His game-like influence in the universe allowed these fantasy elements such as goblins with flying ships into the universe. The Toymaker himself even hinted at changing continuity himself when he told the Doctor he made a jigsaw out of his history. As for Sutekh, he would not have required any salt. Sutekh already originated from our universe, unlike the Toymaker and Maestro. I'm pretty sure they weaved themselves into the Pantheon when they arrived in the universe.

[@NEWMAN0067]

I like to think that the Tardis has to fly into UNIT tower because UNIT has tech to stop that from happening, like in the black archive

[@Jansenbaker]

Good point... they also could tell it was specifically the Tardis coming toward them, so they might. Maybe that's also why they keep carting it inside when they call him.

[@waynetolhurst8801]

Its Sutekh...she cant fly right

[@waynetolhurst8801]

Look at the sparks in the title sequence it all makes sense now

[@waynetolhurst8801]

Shes likely refusing Sutekh from using her properly

[@alfje5492]

@@waynetolhurst8801 I was starting to notice how the Tardis keeps scraping or bumping into things, she's not really been in control for a while now.

[@Comicbroe405]

RTD honestly hasn't yet missed with season finale part 1s. He built up the reveal really well. The fact that many ppl had already theorised Sutekh is actually so cool. I really hope the finale sticks the landing.

[@rob-890]

He has not stuck the landing since season 2

[@Comicbroe405]

@@rob-890 I can't see how that's true. Sound of Drums & Stolen Earth built up the finales really well. Or you thought I just meant season finales? Cuz I didn't. S3's was definitely not that good but S4's was. LIke not amazing but pretty good.

[@rob-890]

@HishamA.N_Comicbroe S3 doctor resurrected by thoughts. S4 donna has all the buttons and technobabble to blew up every dalek

[@Comicbroe405]

@@rob-890 My guy you really need to read my comments more properly: season finale "part 1s"

[@rob-890]

@@Comicbroe405 yeah fuk offffff you're hardly a fountain of wisdom lol

[@xGOKOPx]

"If you have any knowledge of mythology" Most people have *some* surface level familiarity with Egyptian mythology, but only people actually interested in it will recognize the name "Sutekh", I think. If he was called "Set" in Doctor Who then more people would draw the connection Btw. regarding the child labor at UNIT, notice also that Rose is supposed to be 15 in "The Star Beast"

[@waynetolhurst8801]

So did you miss the part where Harriet says. "His names are many, his name has been Set. And Seth and Sithifer and his one true name forever more is...Sutekh" or was you not watching when they did the reveal?

[@johndoe35859]

Is Unit a daycare centre or a military organisation now? A 13 and a 15 year old?

[@xGOKOPx]

@@waynetolhurst8801 Many people didn't register that. I'm talking if the big text said "Set"

[@dominickeijzer5844]

So, Sutekh's influence can be tied back to Donna Noble spilling coffee on the TARDIS console. *Was Sutekh in the coffee machine?*

[@j.i.nthenobody54]

No wonder bro wanted to get out

[@taylorforgq]

The main theory as to why the TARDIS is not materialising in one spot, is because it’s been trying all season to shake of or damage Sutekh attached to the outside.

[@dst9997]

The last 10 mins are so perfectly executed and build such a powerful sense of dread, haven’t felt like that during an episode for years!

[@aeloswindrunner]

I enjoyed the joke about Kate briefly denying the existence of the time window, and the joke about the trap percentage going up. The doctor saying it was 95% and Morris calling out "96!" from the side did make me chuckle

[@ThePetergate]

In retrospect, Harriet saying she 'was born' for this has a new, horrifying meaning.

[@zocialix]

Also Ruby's tape is filmed 73 Yards away from the church : P Russell fibs as always haha

[@zocialix]

@Kesteen Now you know to never trust Russell T. Davies when he claims he's not going to elaborate on something and to double-question his reasons hehe. He was renowned for this even back during his original tenure with the reboot. Man tells lies like he's setting up decorations for christmas, always take what he says with a pinch of salt lol

[@Dudofall]

I watched the ep twice and I'm pretty sure they actually said 66 yards...

[@horrifichannah]

@@Dudofallthey said 66 meters which roughly equals 73 yards (actually like 72.99)

[@Dudofall]

That's a fun callback!

[@Domihork]

I still don't understand how Kate didn't know about Susan when there were photos of Susan in the Black Archive in Day of the Doctor. Also, it's a bit random how everyone just automatically accepts that Ruby's mother and Susan Triad must be somehow connected :D It's almost as if the characters knew they were in a season finale and those two plot lines need to be wrapped up.

[@NicoleM_radiantbaby]

There's A LOT of 'passing the idiot ball' in this episode. Hated that about it, personally.

[@joepoppleton7614]

The best thing about this episode that I haven’t seen anyone talking about is that everything the doctor does, every thought every action, is wrong. He doesn’t get one thing correct all episode. From Susan’s identity, sending dozie behind the TARDIS, and even the anagram. Everything he does here has a negative impact on everyone around him and to me it plays a huge part in the potential peril of EOD!

[@piccolomouse]

EOD?

[@donatist59]

Or he's just poorly written.

[@pyxl666]

@@donatist59 I think that's just your hope, for some reason.

[@donatist59]

@@pyxl666 Nearly everything else this season is badly written.

[@pyxl666]

@@donatist59 I disagree. Imo, has been one sub-par episode this season, that being Space Babies.

[@RicPendragon]

In regards to The Pantheon not addressing the swarming around the TARDIS, remember, even the Toymaker was afraid of The One Who Waits, so I would imagine they'd stay silent in fear of what is yet to come

[@MahNamJeff]

even Maestro was afraid of the one who waits, noticing his presence when looking deep into ruby to the point that they let her go

[@kian72olner]

The screen going black and just having I am returning followed by the name Sutekh all over the screen was brilliant. Actually felt like the show was addressing the world and it felt like it was actually happening. Was a brilliant hair raising spine tingling moment

[@lonelystarslibrary9326]

It felt like a piece of analog horror and i love that

[@darynvoss7883]

8:58 The time window can operate even without the tape: they've been using it already. It isn't just an extrapolation of what's on the tape: as the Doctor says, they are just feeding it extra information from the VHS.

[@Inkaststudios]

My favorite moment was the doctor laughing at units time window and called it rough i was like finally the doctor has fucking personality this season

[@alhdgysz]

Being in touch with your feelings are great. However, when you are crying and you need to be slapped back to reality to finish business is not.... The doctor still needs some working on him/herself

[@GarydeBrown]

I'd rather see a man who is over sensitive on such actions than an unfeeling sociopath.

[@a-cxnt]

he's cries as much as the pathetic drunk guy at a bar who can't stop trauma dumping

[@lorrainesheridan496]

The Doctor is not just a man but a time lord. I think Sutekh has affected him this whole series

[@Minedagate661]

I was actually really disappointed with the reveal of Sutekh. I expected something really big, like the Master or something, and as someone who didn’t know of Sutekh before, I was a bit bummed out at seeing some big dog. I like the show enough to get really excited before the reveal, but I’m not enough of a superfan to be excited by a Sutekh. Again, because he’s not in my Doctor Who Villanpedia. I needed to be introduced to this villan and get shown how powerful he is to get excited for this finale. I’m just hoping the second part manages to salvage that dissapointment

[@Pir4te47]

I can imagine that people watching Utopia in 2008, with no reference for who the Master was in Classic Who, felt the same. Fortunately, we then got John Simm, so that turned out great!

[@a-cxnt]

the master definitely isn't big anymore, he comes back every week at this point.

[@compactprism]

@@Pir4te47 i think there is still something that can be said about how we saw this "new" character regenerate just like the doctor and knows how to use the tardis when the whole first 3 series were spent emphasising that the doctor is the last of his kind. even if you didn't know who the master is, people could still get excited about a timelord but Sutekh was really just a big dog with nothing to draw parallels to unless you know about egyptian mythology

[@gordonw.8831]

I have a problem - as most of us classic fans - in retconning sutekh lore. He appeared in only one episode of classic who, which is now easily accesible to people in the uk - the even do Tales of the TARDIS with it - and they contradict most of what sutekh is there. Weird choice, Russell. Sutekh just isn't a god-like entity like Toymaker is - and definitely not above them - which again, was set up in Pyramids. Russell could have chosen an entity well established in the lore which would work for this, like Fenric, Black Guardian or even The Beast (which Carla acknowleges here anyway and is voiced by Gabriel Woolf too and I genuinely thought it was him the entire time from the dialogue). I hope it will be explained in the finale

[@Bored_Barbarian]

4:32 it’s funny how she’s both a borg and the night king 😂

[@AxelaxiB]

Harbo the Tardis landing like that is explained; sutekh is the one that is driving. He’s probably the one that took the Tardis in wild blue yonder and my theory that when the Tardis came back it already had sutekh in tow. We were so concerned with the Donna switch stop we didn’t think that the Tardis could’ve been the villain.

[@ftumschk]

I'm so glad you picked up on Morris. Whilst I thought his performance was fine, are we seriously to believe that an international security/intelligence organisation like UNIT would hire a 13 year-old as a scientific adviser? Liz Shaw must be spinning in her grave.

[@KatieKat223]

Fine? Honestly, he's the best child actor I've seen tbh.

[@ftumschk]

​@@KatieKat223 He's good, but by no means the best child actor I've seen. Besides, my issue isn't with the actor, but the ridiculous idea of a 13 year-old becoming UNIT's scientific adviser. And it's not just an age thing... Morris just isn't written as a convincing scientist, and nor was his predecessor, Shirley Bingham, either.

[@Pooter-it4yg]

The Egyptian gods were propitiated because they had control of the vital annual flooding of the Nile. It was to do with replenishing fertility in the valley strip, therefore could be regarded as a gift of life to counter Sutekh's gift of death.

[@zrc1514]

Mrs. Flood = Anuket?

[@donteherriott5509]

Fun fact- Although in the five Doctors Susan and the Brigadier are in the episode, they never actually interact with one another.

[@RemyBent]

Also, I think it was one of those, 'it happens outside time and space' ones where no one in The Five Doctors remembers it.

[@Yensid951927]

You know, something that occurred to me from "The Devil's Chord" was that Mastro seemed surprised that "The Oldest One" was present at Ruby's birth but seemed so assured that "The One Who Waits is Almost Here". The way they talk about it makes it feel like the two (Sutekh and the Oldest One) are two separate things since the Patheon would probably realize like you said if one of their members was present. At least that's my theory.

[@andygozzo72]

mrs flood may turn out to be the 'oldest one' .....

[@AuroraButterflyx]

Honestly I hoping it would be the trickster, I just really want him to appear in the series

[@elphive42]

To me, it’s pretty obvious that it’s going to be Ruby underneath that cloak. The question is more why she can’t talk here.

[@AJSpotsCars]

In the scene of Rubys mother walking up to the church with ruby in her hands she is slightly smiling if you zoom in

[@mil9102]

right Susan Foreman is played by Carol Ann Ford. In TLoRS Mrs Flood goes to take CARE of Cherry Sunday (Ruby's Gran). Another word for Gran is NAN Put them together: Flood Care Nan FLOOD CARE NAN IS AN ANAGRAM OF CAROL ANN FORD MRS FLOOD IS SUSAN

[@TheFitCosplayer]

If you're right, imma die 😅

[@Pir4te47]

Also, Rose complained that UNIT had her investigating shoplifting in Catford. If you steal something from Catford, a T maybe, you are left with C. A. Ford. COINCIDENCE?? Almost definitely.

[@Tamisday]

A New Who fan here and unfortunately the big reveal really brought me out of the episode, because of knowledge of mythology but my lack of background (at the time) about the Osirans. I have since done my homework but at the time of the reveal, I was caught off guard by there suddenly being a literal god among the (thus far, to me) generic gods of the pantheon. Fortunately I’m familiar enough with the experience of not knowing what’s going on in Who to go look it up, but it did make me wonder why this was the go-to for a soft reboot for newcomers who might know to do that, which brought me out even more. I’m still super excited for the rest of finale it just seemed paced weirdly. I think I would have liked it better if had dropped the way the first two episodes of the season had dropped. I guess it’s hard to judge at this halfway point.

[@UnitedFan2]

I truly think they’ve been setting up Ruby as the one to stop Sutekh, the arc she has makes sense when she realises who her mother is and who Ruby is and her relationship to Sutekh,because I think Sutekh is connected to Ruby in some way or form

[@adamburke4738]

If so, how unoriginal

[@thethreerailwayengines825]

I'd be interested about what they do about Sutekh in the finale. In Pyramids of Mars, the Doctor says Sutekh is the most powerful being he's ever faced, and he's only able to beat him because Sutekh spends basically the whole story paralysed. The whole story is about stopping Sutekh from getting himself free, because the Doctor says, once he's free, there's nothing he can do, Sutekh's already won the moment he's free. And this time around, Sutekh starts off free, has been for a while, and the Doctor had no idea. It would also be nice for there to be an explanation about how he managed to survive the Doctor killing him I also agree about his new CGI look. It's like they've just gone "we have a big budget now, we can do CGI instead of just a man in a mask and a suit", except it's *bad* CGI which makes it look so fake, whereas the man in a suit did at least look real Also, since the TARDIS first made that noise in Wild Blue Yonder *before* the salt scene, I doubt that would be an explanation for Sutekh attaching himself to the TARDIS. I swear, if this is all down to Donna spilling coffee on the console, then I ask again, if coffee deals THAT much damage to the console, WHY would it put a coffee machine on the console!!! Why not have food and drink dispensers in a separate room/corner like Hartnell's TARDIS. (Also, I think we know which way Russell T leans in the tea/coffee debate)

[@Comicbroe405]

I think Sutekh attached himself to the Tardis when they arrived at the edge of the universe.

[@hotdog1214]

I wonder if this is how we will see Sutekh from here on out, big CGI dog or will they revert to (what imo was a lot scarier - sometimes less is more), the man in the mask with the fear inducing tones of Gabriel Woolf? Also Mrs Merridew aka Susan Triad aka Susan Twist was in Newtons time before they went to the edge of the universe so the whole question of when is a tricky one...

[@Nattytom500]

In extended media Sutekh was able to survive by sidestepping from the time tunnel into the void. I wonder if RTD will borrow a similar explanation

[@thethreerailwayengines825]

@@Nattytom500 I'm reluctant to support something like that because the Doctor explicitly says he died and states how long he lived for. I think there'd have to be some sort of thing where he's resurrected or something

[@Nattytom500]

@@thethreerailwayengines825 To me it seemed more of an assumption on the doctor's part based on when he faded away. A fair assumption but we never see him actually die so there is room for something to happen

[@michaelfraser1073]

We'll see how well this take ages after Empire of Death, but I think that this episode would be better served as the first part of a three-part finale. Like Utopia, it should have been the stand-alone episode that suddenly reveals itself to be part of the series arc. I enjoyed the episode, but there's an awful lot for Empire of Death to now resolve.

[@NotAgnor]

Tbf Sutekh is on the TARDIS thats why it keeps crashing, and Ruby was referencing the heckler in Dot & Bubble

[@javascriptsv]

Im pretty sure the TARDIS has been landing so violently because it’s been messed up by sutekh latching onto it, or its trying to shake him off; either way I expect it to go back to normal next series

[@JulieAiken]

I loved the episode. The fact that we had so many new characters -- a key UNIT soldier, a poor production assistant, Harriet Arbinger, Morris, and even the gorgeous Col. Ibrahim who they better not kill off -- kept me wondering who would be important and how and why. I am assuming there will be a payoff for Rose being involved. She did absorb the Tardis energy, and although I'm not sure if that was post-Sutekh infection I think it might turn out to be significant. I'm a bit afraid the Susan and the Mrs. Flood mysteries will not be resolved, but I am sure both will come back early next season. Or are they the SAME mystery? My theory is far-fetched -- both Mrs. Flood and Ruby's Mom are the same person and they are both Susan. I know, it makes no sense, but I'm sticking to it! Thanks for a great reaction and I'll see you next week!

[@MahNamJeff]

The current pinpoint for the Sutekh infection is wild blue yonder, when it started to groan.

[@FireFalcon]

I feel like I knew that Sutehk was coming after Susan said to Mel "Call me Sue Pet"

[@AllThePiecesMatter_]

Same. Thought it was just me.

[@S_yIvie]

idk what you mean I adore the non humanoid design for sutekh. And I think the CGI looks great!

[@christophersheets5452]

Sutekh: “I’ll make him think its his granddaughter returning but its actually me.” Harbinger: “Why not just come out completely by surprise with no build up?” Sutekh: “Its a pantheon of discord thing.”

[@Fuges]

One of the few issues I had with the issue was the name “Harriet Arbinger”, if you’re gonna introduce a character who’s a Harbinger you should go with a name that isn’t completely on the nose

[@theredguy4043]

We couldn't call her Harriet Jones AKA The formers prime minister

[@drkenata5807]

This reminds me of that Rick and Morty joke about "Coach Feratu" and how ridiculous and obvious a name it was for a vampire.

[@thekueken]

Har(riette) Binger was right there... ;_;

[@markpostgate2551]

Why does Sutekh setting up any word play clues whatsoever; is he trying to take over the world or set a crossword? He's not the frickin' Riddler!

[@drkenata5807]

@@markpostgate2551 The whole episode feels designed to stay completely stagnant until the very end, yet appear as though they were actually setting things up the whole time.

[@caesar98]

This might be just me being really nitpicky but I really don't like how "clean" this season feels aesthetically. I miss how homey the coral TARDIS felt, the costumes looking a bit travelled, not every shot being perfectly lit. Series 1-4 had this gritty feel that also made more scary in a way that I haven't felt this season even if it was supposed to

[@officialpigeons9921]

This is one of the reasons why Boom is so good. It's the only episode that manages this "gritty" vibe. More budget shouldn't mean cleaner locations, and I hope the next episode uses the budget to emulate that feeling. I think the perfect example is the Tardis interior. Sure it was a cool visual in Star Beast - but it soon became boring. Too big and clean.

[@caesar98]

@@officialpigeons9921 Yes it feels like a hospital! I like that they added the ramps for representation but that's it really. I know in the classic series it was mainly white but it just felt different for some reason

[@selatidos]

You know that before the finale is going to be an additional tales of the tardis story about pyramids of Mars with gatwa and Gibson in 20th june?

[@DriverHenryWho3245]

22:55 it's good we got an explanation for this in Tales of the TARDIS - he evolved. I wonder how, though...

[@Lowehart]

The Doctor focusing on memory and time being the same thing, and 'the memory of a time machine' makes me think that will come back as a plot element in the second half. Is it possible Ruby is... A memory of a time? That she has to place herself there as a paradox for some reason.

[@RojoDawg31]

I do hope the second series is about the Doctor finding Susan!

[@shmikex]

The final episode was good...until the last 10 minutes! . . Spoilers... . . . Giving Ruby a happy ending was nice and all, but it was too much. I honestly thought she would go in, share a moment with her birth mom, where she doesn't recognize her but is still being friendly. Remember this woman gave Ruby up for adoption, NEVER tried to find her and also NEVER told the father she existed! And yet we're supposed to like her? Having her birth mom just be some random human woman, yet Ruby's secret origin was so important it defied death itself, that leaves me with a lot of questions: - Why was her secret more important than everyone else's in the universe? In all of time and space? - Why does she have this magical memory power where she can conjure up snow from the night she was born? - Why did the time window not work if her mom was just some random human woman? - What was the point of the 73 yards reference? And that woman? Why did she scare everyone away? Why even reference it? Speaking of which how is Roger ap Gwilliam still the scariest Prime Minister in history, considering the Master was a Prime Minister! I really hope Ruby's dad is someone of importance, maybe Ruby got her magical memory power from him. Maybe he is a timelord. Maybe he is the Master. Other random questions: - The Doctor makes a big deal that he has to kill someone? How many times has he done that? Heck he tried to do that already with Sutekh when he was the 5th Doctor! - Where was 14 and Donna during all of this? Is 14 THAT lazy he won't help out UNIT while staying with the Nobles? - When the TARDIS was duplicated in "The Giggle", did Sutekh also get duplicated? Is a version of him hanging around 14's TARDIS? - Think leaving Sutekh in the time vortex brought back everyone destroyed in the Flux? Maybe the timelords too? - With a whole bunch of Susan Triads and Clara Oswald variants flooding the time stream, how long until they meet? - Speaking of Floods, who is Mrs. Flood? Is she another regeneration of the Master/Missy, maybe the Missus? Sheesh, after 60 years of stories, I could understand why Tecteun would want to start over in another universe, because this one is way to mucked up (honestly, when 15 split from 14 that's where he should have went).

[@Comicbroe405]

Too many unanswered questions again sadly. But I think some of the answers are for S2.

[@ImDehydrate]

Shut up, just sit there and enjoy product

[@CyberSurferXD]

I adore the Mrs. Flood scene. She's still breaking the fourth wall like before, but this time it's MUCH more sinister. Literally gave me chills the first time I watched this episode; it's like she's staring into my soul!

[@matthewfarr5615]

"Game, SET, Match". Good one

[@UthmaanXDFire]

Hey Harbo, they got such good quality, because they could actually scan Ruby Road, and the church, also, the TARDIS has been in UNIT so many times that it’s probably got its own model

[@darynvoss7883]

"game, SET, and match" I see what you did there

[@calumgardner6936]

1:51-2:02 I literally thought the exact same after The Doctor introduced them to each other! But alas I’ll forgive them for it as although the end of 73 Yards does establish that Ruby has some recollection of the events of it like you said, it is still a very faint echo in her memory so it’s unlikely Kate appears in it at all I was also really bracing myself for Rose to say that Wilf had passed away for real after her & The Doctor hugged (cos ya know they can’t keep making out he/Bernard Cribbins is alive offscreen forever), but I’m guessing since she didn’t they’re maybe saving that for Donna to say if & when she comes back

[@MrMarshGames]

8:54 I mean we found a minecraft seed based off of a 128x128 screeshot of a hill so I can buy it. There are 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible minecraft seeds.

[@thomasrdiehl]

The water-based surname of Ms. Flood gives us a fourth option: She's a regeneration of River Song.

[@pyxl666]

River Song can't regenerate anymore though. She gave the rest of that energy away to the Doctor in Let's Kill Hitler. Her body fried in The Library and her consciousness exists in CAL though...

[@thomasrdiehl]

@@pyxl666 Like this is going to stop River. Or the writers. We have seen others return after worse, like the Master. She might also be a regeneration before that, in between Melody and Mels. I was told her first name is Carol, too. A Carol is a type of song, of course.

[@joshuaanson5939]

They say the lady on Ruby Road pointed at The Doctor. But did she actually, or was she really pointing at the TARDIS/Sutekh?

[@MahNamJeff]

I think its very clear that she wasn't pointing at the doctor at this point. its a 99% chance that she was pointing at Sutekh

[@Otherversian]

An interesting note is that someone did the math based on the actual real life site, and Ruby's mother is stood exactly 73 yards away from baby Ruby, just as the CCTV camera is a little over 66m away, or... 73 yards away. It's subtle, but possibly intentional.

[@mrdoctorgilmore]

Mostly indifferent to the episode due to so far not really connecting with any of the mystery boxes, however it's entertaining thanks to the likeable cast. I'm prepared to give the finale a chance however with the return of Sutekh and possibly Susan or worryingly Tennant, what they do in the episode is more important than simply just being there for fan service.

[@dougsfilmtv9810]

Good review of Legend of Ruby Sunday and I had a feeling that Sutekh was coming back. Pyramids of Mars is one of my favorite 4th Doctor stories and Sutekh would be one of my favorite villains. There are questions I do have are we going to see Susan Forman and who is Mrs. Flood and here are my theories. Theory 1 Susan Forman, Theory 2 The Rani, Theory 3 Clara. I am looking forward to seeing how they would pay this off.

[@Jackson-ub1uv]

The way the mother turns and points is _very_ reminiscent of the Ghost of Christmas Future.

[@chaoschris8194]

I can't wait until the Doctor taps into the Triad network and starts flying around and shooting bolts at Sutekh!

[@aDifferentJT]

I think that Sutekh is well explained here, but for the episode to setup the name as a big reveal was a big anticlimax because I felt like the episode was telling me I ought to recognise this name.

[@AnythingMachine]

Sutekh is also the Beast: you can't change my mind

[@hades4134]

I agree with you.

[@beetle149]

I hope not, he's much more interesting that way

[@zocialix]

He did say he was all of them.

[@AnythingMachine]

@@beetle149 same voice actor, same manner of speaking, says he's from hell, both characters say they're Satan, he's actually called the beast in the episode, seems to know your dark secrets and manipulates you with them..

[@hades4134]

@@beetle149 4th did call Sutekh Satan and the Beast is every idea of the devil.

[@joshuaanson5939]

Honestly they made the time window more believable by having the CCTV tape being from the wrong street (73 yards away incidentally), instead of it being a "zoom and enhance" of a recording of the actual recording.

[@serina3872]

My theory is after what happened to the tardis in flux, it potentially screwed up her to the point that sutekh was able to get hold of her

[@Bored_Barbarian]

21:51 I was like “wait, Anubis?” But I guess dr who forgot about Anubis 😂

[@xeos599]

I have a theory that sutekh came into our universe when the doctor duplicated the tardis

[@Bryzerse]

How did you guys all predict sutekh, it took me so off guard! Makes me glad not to be overly involved in the community lol

[@FransHoorn]

the HARBONGER strikes again with a great review as always

[@lylecampbell8288]

We discover Susan Triad is due to make a worldwide tech billionaire announcement at 3 pm (which always goes very badly) but rather than concentrating on that problem we take the time to worry about our second (Ruby) mystery, which one would expect to be completely unrelated. Surely, that should have waited until after 3 pm at least. Of course, it turns out to be tightly related... but now they've got 2 crises going on at once. While I was watching, it distracted me that they were trying to do two things at once rather than focus on one thing at a time.

[@ChrissieBear]

The Harriet reveal was actually sussed out by some people, I saw a video putting the theory forwards a few days before the episode aired. Though I forget whose video it was.

[@SickVoid]

7:22 The second time isn't even the 8th doctor technically. It's the war doctor constantly regenerating and degenerating between 4 and 8 with a little bit of the modern doctors up to 12 sprinkled in for good measure. Once and Future is weird but its such a good fanservicy story.

[@LunaBeth97]

21:45 It's funny you mentioned this as this was my exact line of thinking when Sutek showed up! I have no knowledge of Sutek or old doctor who but do know a lot of mythology so was like oh shit this is real real bad😂 Oddly enough Sutek sounded familiar to me even though I had no clue of its existence so I think it was just the Set parallels

[@Pir4te47]

Prediction: as Susan Triad is not Susan Foreman, if Mrs Flood also turns out to not be Susan, then the season will end, once the Sutekh story has been resolved, with a quiet little denouement of the Doctor going back to see her as an old woman still played by Carole Ann Ford, and it'll hit harder than anything else in the episode. Otherwise, it will be the whole premise of the Christmas Special. It would be wasteful, and very unlike RTD, to bring all of that up and then do nothing with it.

[@matriculus2]

From previous experiences I have 3 predictions fot the next episode and I hope RTS proves me wrong and surprises me. 1. The episode will be all about spectacle and raising the steaks and the ending will be an anticlimax relying on a deus ex machine 2 Ruby will turn out to have some special powers due to her parentage which save the dat at the last moment like Bad Wolf and Doctor Donna 3. The situation on Earth will become so bad the only way to resolve it will be to reset time so it never happened re Sound of drums/ Last of the Timelords.

[@kindachaos9775]

i wonder how well this finale works for first time viewers. i know a couple of my friends and family that aren’t as well versed in the show thought maybe they’d missed something in a previous episode when the reveal happened

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

I wonder if her mother was the trickster, big hood, unseen eyes ect. Like they are setting up a giant trick on sutekh using this human child.

[@rileymartin2202]

Mrs Flood is most likely a member of the pantheon because all the gods we’ve seen so far with the toymaker and maestro are the only ones who talk about the one who waits

[@kilo1012]

Think the ending implies the Tardis was trying to shake him off

[@Jayforeman3047]

I haven’t felt like that watching a Doctor Who in years! I think ultimately it knew it was a first part and took it’s time, but the reveal was worth it and I hope it all pays off next week. I’m also hoping that they’ll link the fact that Gabriel Woolf voiced both Sutekh and the Beast. I think it would be silly not to and would add to the mythos of Sutekh now being ‘the god of all gods’.

[@DDYTEDDY]

Shouldn't sutekh be attached to the original tardis though? As this tardis is the copy reward from the toy maker?

[@brushwoodthicket]

Being copy might be the reason it could attach. This tardis could be more connected to the toymaker gods domain.

[@DDYTEDDY]

@brushwoodthicket that's actually a really good point, didn't think of that.

[@MahNamJeff]

while the theory is good its very unlikely due to the fact the Sutekh latched on as early as Wild Blue Yonder. My personal theory is that the damage it sustained during flux caused the tardis to be weak to the point that it was vulnerable. leaving it open to be latched onto by Sutekh when they reached the edge of the universe.

[@serina3872]

​@@DDYTEDDYapparently Davis confirmed 15th's Tardis is the original apparently

[@DDYTEDDY]

@serina3872 if that's the case fair enough then, didn't look like it in that scene though

[@fastertrackcreative]

" I can buy a time travelling police box" You can? From where? All I found was models and toys, no actual time machines.

[@Rajesh-Koothrappali]

I think a better twist would have been using the chameleon arch back from family of blood

[@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o]

Wasn’t Susan already acknowledged in The Rings of Akhaten from series 7B?

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

Intresting thing about set, tye agyptian god, we have NO IDEA what animal he is meant to be. It might be that he was a made up creature, or some now extinct species we lost track off they had roaming around at the time.

[@Venemofthe888]

This episode was really interesting and i quite liked it. The whole obvious misdirect with Susan Triad being Susan, the doctor's granddaughter seemed to fool a lot of people although with me i was a little skeptical cause to me it felt a little too obvious but that's just me not trusting anything i see on screen with any TV Shows or not trusting in general (Thats definitely a me issue lol). I think it works for me like they make you buy into that it actually could be Susan only for it to be a misdirect in a cool way still hits well. It was really nice to see Rose Noble & Mel again and although Rose doesn't seem to get a lot to do here but its nice to see her again. Mel honestly was really good to see and she actually plays a part in the episode instead of being a cameo or not doing a lot. I like her motorbike lol. I like Susan Triads little dance she does cause its so bad its kinda funny. There is a scene between the Doctor & Kate where they talk about having a granddaughter before a child and then her saying she thinks the doctor is wonderful only to counter that later when she gives the doctor a look when one of her men dies in the time window like you can tell shes pissed at the doctor. The Time Window is a very interesting device and while i mentioned the soldier died behind the TARDIS. The hooded woman was pointing at the foggy cloud rather than the Doctor himself which i picked up on after the Doctor landed in the past memory. The hooded woman was pointing at something they couldnt see that was there and possibly had been there since Wild Blue Yonder like hitching a ride. Also Colonel Ibrahim didnt even flinch when the Time Window broke So one thing id like to mention that i didnt notice on every first watching of the episode but did on rewatches. It was the TARDIS groaning which started in Wild Blue Yonder and happened again in The Devil's Chord & Rogue beforehand. I noted that the groan is happening for a reason and i felt like it was something that could come back although i didnt think it was going to matter this series but i was wrong lol. Doctor Who Subreddit also picked on it lol. The reveal of Sutekh was a hell of a reveal was great and what makes it better is that it was a misdirect from them for people thinking it was Susan and looking at other peoples reveals they actually bought into the Susan part. Looking at other reviewers there might have been 2 or 3 who even knew who Sutekh even was which was a real shame but for me it landed in a big damn way. Gabriel Woolf is 91 and hes still got it like my god i got chills right down my spine. I also like how they name dropped other characters in the anticipation including the Toymaker, Maestro, Mara and The Trickster (from Sarah Jane Adventures). I think they might also name the Gods of Ragnarok although im not too sure on that one. I think what could have worked better for its reveal is to maybe have a few little cuts to who they were referencing in the speech leading up to the reveal and when it gets to Sutekh to show his old version just to give you a little more insight. Its also a Hononym i think not a anagram lol. This part is great on a first part and a first watch but i do think it might diminish in rewatches but its still good and the reveal was great even if it didnt land for everyone. Also i joined on with Doctor Who in 2005 but i started watching classic who last year and while i havent gotten up to Sutekh yet (mainly cause of work and multiple injuries on my body) the name really had me with my jaw dropped

[@Venemofthe888]

Always rewatch episodes just in case you miss things on the first watch like i did. Also I think Maestro did see something in Ruby's past and even commented on it about him being there

[@hotdog1214]

@@Venemofthe888 I enjoyed the whole episode. The initial misdirect that the Doctor thought Susan was his granddaughter was, I thought, very clever indeed. It was a fan theory which then got dropped, only for it to be brought up in-universe to throw us off the actual reveal. Had me doubting myself and then smiling the whole time once I realised what was going on. My inner nerd is happy that Gabriel Woolf is back as Sutekh - thank you production team 🙏🙏 On the new Tales of the Tardis, they're doing Pyramids of Mars on Thursday evening, so that would be a good catch-up on all things Sutekh prior to the finale if you haven't seen it during the Classic run.

[@isobarkley]

before watching too much, i DO think (esp as a fan of who but not someone who has an intimate knowledge of classic era) this was a great first parter

[@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o]

1:26 wait, haven’t they improved the materialization effect more and more in NuWho? Throughout the Thirteenth Doctor‘s era it looked very good! And the few times it’s been happening in this era it looked great as well.

[@impax2634]

Doc: hey, i need to see this woman, she got some enigmas in her! Unit: lol, we already watching her. Doc: look, her name is anagram for TARDIS! Unit: lol, we already noticed it. Doc: Look, Mel is working at her! Unit: lol, we already communicating with her.

[@simianurchin7630]

I know you don’t like the tardis flying around and skidding into places but I distinctly remember Russel saying in the intro where the tardis is like grinding on the timestream was going to matter so maybe after wild blue yonder that was when sutekh like seeped in or took over the tardis and that’s why the flying has been kinda weird recently

[@superkid801]

What a reveal! I enjoyed seeing Unit back and man do they go through quite a lot of people! That reveal was not what I was expecting! A classic villain returns. This is going to be an interesting finale. Definitely an A from as well. Don't worry I trust you if you start with a H.

[@jameswait5340]

I think the Tardis is crashing because of sutekh, who appears to have been on the tardis before Wild Blue Yonder.

[@gtc9966]

New fan here. And by new, I mean RTD onwards…am I supposed to know who Sutekh is?!

[@ZarbiDW]

only old who fans do, watch pyramids of mars if you want to see who sutekh is, very good but like all of doctor who is more slowly paced.

[@MahNamJeff]

Hes a fourth doctor antagonist. with this reveal being a master esque situation of RTD bringing back a legacy character for a modern age.

[@R_SENAL]

This next ep has a ton to live up to, but unlike normal season crunch, RTD had only 8 eps to showrun, and he had lots of time to plan and build all this, like with Parting of the Ways, so I think we could be in for a good finale! I remain optimistic. It's been a pretty good season w/2 exceptions for me (Space Babies and Rogue) and even those duds had good moments in them. Nothing's been like Fear Her or Orphan 55, so I'm happy so far... just please RTD, STICK THE LANDING!!!

[@Zestieee]

I was kind of let down by Sutekh's looks too. During the Harbinger's speech I was almost trembling and with my hand on my mouth as the manifestation was occurring and I was still wondering who the God was. When they revealed the name I was ready to see something at least resembling the masked Sutekh look, but I was disappointed when a literal League of Legends character appeared instead. I hope we're gonna see his other form in Empire of Death because I'm not a big fan of the big doggy

[@MrTambourineMan.]

I never watched Pyramids of Mars but I loved this episode. So much I might actually watch Space Babies again to catch any clues. It does feel like old NuWho!

[@spiritomb8]

9:13 YOU TAKE THAT BACK VHS IS THE VH-BEST!

[@xedalpha1]

I love a good old RTD part 1. He knows how to make you hyped amd watch reactions and thwory videos for 7 days

[@alfiea1211]

I don't think they enhanced the vhs video, they used the data on the vhs to make the time window more accurate