Did this Survival Cache Last 12 years in the Ground? What is even in this?

[@coalcracker]

After further examination of this I had teflon tape on the threads. I could see traces of it. So..the first time I opened this must have basically broke the seal. Then when I resealed I just screwed it on. Then storing it threads up was a terrible idea. If everything got moldy during the first 10 years I wouldn’t have resealed it. Will talk more about in a future video.

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

Tip for caching : put a moisture lock baby diaper in the bottom of your cache tube , and a few silicate desiccant pack to absorb ambient moisture in the air. Seal the threads on your end cap with lots of plumbers grease,it keeps water from creeping past the threads and makes getting the cap off easier

[@victorhausauer3018]

Never thought of a baby diaper as a moisture lock! 😂😂 But it makes sense!I'll definitely keep that in the tool box.

[@PalmettoParatrooper]

The diaper is new info for me lol

[@jamespaul2587]

​@victorhausauer3018 don't forget to remove the baby first 😊

[@victorhausauer3018]

@@jamespaul2587 🤣🤣🤣

[@TT-mf5nj]

1. Not buried deep enough, allowed condonation to build because of hot and cold cycles. 2. No moisture absorbers 3. No oxygen absorbers 4. Vucume seal your contents separately

[@RonBurkett]

Some friends and I made a time capsule that exact same way - looked almost identical. We buried it for 5 years in a national forest, then went back and dug it up. The contents were still in perfect condition. I built the cannister and used teflon tape on the threads when sealing it shut. I also custom built a wrench out of PVC to open it and buied it with the capsule (since we would be back packing into the site to open and didn't want to have to carry any kind of tool).

[@kennethspeering2922]

Now that was really good. We all learned a lot from it. That is why we have room for improvements. Thanks Dan.

[@scottcarter4388]

Individual vaccum seal bags for each item or kit vaccum seal machines and bags that are cut to length can be found at wally world for a decent price...seal it and wait a day or two before you stow it away to make sure it's sealed tight then cache it. Thanks for the video to show learning lessons Dan for people just starting!!!

[@rquest3059]

Excellent video to prove the need for oxygen and moisture absorbers plus vacuum seal each item.

[@rocketman3474]

As a Geocacher I recognize the challenges of placing a sealed container in the woods under a log for years, hopefully, and keeping a log book and trinkets intact. The hot and cold cycles can have a dramatic effect on the level of condensation depending on the seal. Keep up the great work and post the coordinates and add a little log book to your cache and you may get some visits.

[@Storm_v2.0]

Would a desiccant pack or two help with the moisture problems? I've wanted to do this for years but in the Pacific Northwest, the only constant is that it rains...a lot!

[@victorhausauer3018]

Thats a great lesson for everyone to take note from. Obviously the common comment will be dessicant packs, but you can also make sure to oil or grease your tools before. And i would say there a planning to packing the items in a sequence so that the less worry some items are at the bottom as the moisture will go to the bottom.. great video!

[@richardkranium2527]

When you bury your stash, be sure to bury a beer can or some junk metal a little above it to throw off guys with metal detectors.

[@hogue3666]

Awesome stuff. Thanks, Dan. From one brewer to another. If you drop a bucket into the ground, you need to tap the lid with a rubber or wooden mallet. Sealed isn't sealed until you do. Good luck.😊

[@paulamcclure3402]

Dan, Great video on examining a ~12 year PVC Cache Survival Kit. Too bad a portion was not still viable. Perhaps the freeze & thaw cycles of PA weather over the years created just enough of a gap in the PVC sealed endcap that moisture got in. Probably a good idea to have every item in waterproof bags & ziplocks to add protection to the gear. Happy Trails! 🇺🇸🏕🌲

[@donny9787]

Dan putting white cotton socks in a survival cache definitely dates how long that things been sitting underground 😂😆 wool or bust

[@h8uall66]

I'm so glad you did this. Very surprising what we learned. I have one of these I buried on a family property 14 years ago. I should dig it up and see how it fared.

[@ebudrow1]

Did you have Teflon tape on the threads? Put silicone seal around the edges of the plug as a backup. And drop in a moisture absorber from a piece of electronic equipment. Make sure to dry it out first though.

[@fearthehoneybadger]

Still needs to be oiled and/or packed in sealed, plastic bags.

[@jasong5913]

I would suggest that you had condensation from temperature changes once the tube was buried.

[@thornallen9687]

Good thinking. The lighters might also be suffering from galvanic corrosion.

[@TUKByV]

I remember someone using glue-on caps because of the higher failure chance of the threaded caps. Instead of a wrench, you'll need a saw to open it.

[@ldsphotodude49]

Everybody already said what caused your moisture condensation. When I was younger I did the same thing you did on a smaller scale. I decided to leave strike anywhere matches in one of my camps in the woods inside a Mason Jar with a dome lid on it. I screwed the lid on tight and left it in a fork of a tree that was standing but hollow, a year or so later I remembered them and tried to retrieve my matches and they were all wet and useless

[@saphireflare4183]

Next time put some wax around the edges and maybe plumbers tape on the threads could also be condensation in which case just include a packet of silica gel like youd get in a purse or suitcase

[@brandonshrum6568]

I'm a plumber and I would say the threads. Definitely use some Teflon tape on the threads, dry they're not water tight and if opened re apply.

[@micheletremonti2434]

My thought is that with ground freezing one of the glue joints may have had a partial failure, but I could suggest for your next cashe is to add desiccant packets to the tube and add silicone around the cap seams, and possibly over the cap threaded seam

[@TheCopperVillageAngler]

Good job!

[@IronSharpensIron127]

That food is perfectly fine 👍🏼

[@earlshaner4441]

Outstanding video brother

[@Dave_Wave]

A couple of silica packages may have helped. Good kit

[@mannihh5274]

I think, the moisture came in due to the countless changes in athmospheric pressure every year. Would have been a smart idea to buy a sealer and seal the items in HD plastic bags - you could even throw some desiccant bags into each. As my 20-year-old lighters in stock are still working, it seems like keeping them dry is key. Only freeze-dried food may survive 10+ years.

[@sportsmobile8328]

Flints are baby fero rods. Once they are struck they start to oxidize and deteriorate. Don't ever strike a lighter and put it away for long term storage. I have been sorry that I did that many times.👍👍

[@ChrisGrazioli]

You got a Teflon tape those threads, bro

[@ronaldsingleton3109]

If it has threads on it its not waterproof, you have to use some sort of water proofing on the threads. Ziploc bags and silica packs too. This is how we learn, by doing. You'll know next time. 😊

[@garywilliamscornwall]

Interested in that aviation kit. And you should of tried out the ration pack and heater 😂

[@cardiacbob]

Reseal the endcaps, use Teflon tape on the threads, and put a BIG dessicant pack in there, like the ones you get when you buy a new Suitcase. Maybe store the lighter in a separate Ziploc bag with a small dessicant packet in it.

[@stoneysdead689]

You know how when you buy something they come with like little packets of damp rid or whatever it's called- save them, they work great for keeping stuff like this dry. You just drop a few packets in with your gear and it will draw any moisture to it and trap it. I usually put them inside something like a little piece of torn panty hose or whatever- just so they don't end up sitting right up against your knife blade or whatever drawing moisture. It will dehydrate anything you put in there that isn't sealed though- remember that.

[@ManInTheWoods76]

With only those two fire fails, bro just sold 500 reliable fire makers (Ferro rods.) Bullet proof, baby!

[@kennithnieman9130]

That was a awesome video.

[@Yogibru]

Yes...definitely need to use some Teflon tape on those treads.

[@JackSchidt]

Of course if you don’t bury it deep where the ground temperature is constant, the moisture will condense and turn back to vapor over and over again with the seasons etc. I would love to see how a pack of the moisture absorbing packets would make a difference if it’s completely sealed, then it should absorb ALL moisture. I’ve just never put it through this test if time.

[@AndThenTheresTodd]

It's like a time capsule, but with stuff you might actually find useful!

[@jant4741]

Moisture of the air @ time of canning. Save those silicon dry packets.

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

BINGO 👍

[@farstrider79]

Sure, but understand how to use them. If you throw a silicone dry pack that's been sitting around at ambient humidity then put it in a container, it's already absorbed all its going to.

[@tiagomateiro]

That was fun 🔥💪🏽

[@bltoth1955]

Sounds like you need thread sealer, and something to absorb any moisture.

[@shawnofdadead1805]

Those screw on pvc lids do not seal for the long term. Even something like petroleum jelly on the threads would help, but I would do something more semi permanent

[@ManInTheWoods76]

Hand warmers work too. Just do over do them. Too much will implode the container

[@lotsapockets]

As not buried very deep, as the air inside cools condensation forms especially if it was sealed in warmer weather. Perhaps next time drop in a packet or 2 of silica gel to absorb moisture, I'm sure a couple of oxygen absorber sachets wouldn't hurt either as a lot of corrosion comes from oxidisation.

[@M19pickles]

I think moisture got in at the end you did not unscrew. Evidenced by the fact that the saw has more rust than the can does. You also commented that nothing felt damp, moldy or musty until after the can. I was once told that treads are not water tight and that you need something to fill the gap and that is why you use pipe tape on screw on fittings. It didn't look like you used any although I maybe wrong. If you want to store things long term like this again you could likely use the same set up but use pipe tape on the treads and then add some desiccant to the container to absorb any moisture that gets trapped when setting it up. Also bag more things, vacuum seal things where possible, put desiccant any containers and paint or oil things that might rust like the blades of saws and knives. If you do pack any food supplies label them better than you did here.

[@joshwhitworth5455]

You need a deeper hole. The sun will heat it up if it's to shallow, then when it cools condensation will build up inside. Should go at least 12 inches or deeper.

[@johnfortwengler4496]

When you make a new one put everything in separate freezer ziplocks that way your tools have a good chance to stay dry if tube leaks just a thought

[@bryandorie_USNVet]

With PVC, it is better to not use screw in cap plugs. Cut PVC straight. Throw in 1500gr oxygen absorber with gooodss. Then use expanding rubber drain plugs coated lightly with Vaseline. Place in a garbage bag, remove air, fold end a few times and tape shut. Without scraping or poking a hole in garbage, bury at desired depth.

[@OzMan9989]

Use some desiccants next time maybe? Might help.

[@PaulRaymond-fd4hx]

Hey man! I can smell that mould all the way over here through my Tablet Screen! Sheesh! Glad the water bottle made it though! Next time, encase the container in resin or beeswax! That should do the trick! End.😊

[@miketaylo7677]

The heating an cooling of the ground causes condinsation to collect inside .

[@apar1560]

That's COOL 😎

[@texascelt8363]

Air inside of tube temperature change causes condensation would have to be vacuum sealed

[@UgadArgentis]

Make sure you apply pvc cement to the female adaptor and the pipe amd twist it on to make sure it seals good. The thread cap is not water tight only waterproof so I would recommend PTFE sealant or just good ole bearing grease on the threads. After years of being a sparky and pulling wire in and out of all below ground pipes off all type, you cannot prevent moisture because of condensation. Best bet add some silica packets (don’t eat) or small weep holes in the bottom and lash it to a tree.

[@Storm_v2.0]

I was recommended to use plumber's putty rather than cement so that a water tight seal would be made but the tube would not have to be cut open to access the contents. I've not put it to the test underground. Would you please elaborate on weep holes and why I'd want to lash a cache to a tree? Serious questions and thanks for the reply.

[@UgadArgentis]

@@Storm_v2.0 First the pvc cement it to glue the adaptor to the pipe not the threaded plug. PVC cement actually melts the pipe and bonds it together. If you drill small holes in the bottom (smaller than a mud dauber can get in) and stand it up right. The moisture can drip out. The earth is always wet (depending on the area) and if you have a dry thing that even a small amount of moisture that can get into it will get in without of course expensive engineering controls. In industrial, oil, and gas we use low point drains to control the moisture in the pipes since it is impractical to try and keep it out.

[@eremoshomestead7406]

Moisture due to condensation. Not buried deep enough to keep the ground temp even and it caused the change in temps and made the pvc sweat.

[@curtcooper5465]

I think you'd win on alone!

[@Edgeair]

Teflon tape works well

[@johnhenry8839]

We run pvc underground all the time just to go back and pull wire and it's full of water

[@jamespaul2587]

This could have been embarrassing if you stashed an inflatable friend for the zombie apocalypse 😊

[@IronSharpensIron127]

Next time put your stuff in ziplock bags. Put oxygen absorbers in, and wrap the casing in plastic.

[@Dave_Wave]

Strap wrench, "... not the right tool...". Any tool that works is the right tool...

[@davidtiner4094]

Clean those tools with vinegar. It will bring them back to use again.

[@ronaldgreene2759]

You will always have some condensation with PVC

[@samjeys5019]

Instead of plumbers glue use plumber's tape

[@xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz]

The thing with moisture is, you cannot keep it out. Unless you have a vacuum. Because it's in the air. And when temperature drops (such as underground), it will condense because cold air can hold on to less water. So you will get mold and rust in a sealed container, unless it is a sealed vacuum chamber.

[@j.robertsergertson4513]

Or you put a few silicate ( moisture absorbing) packs in there.

[@xyzxyzxyzxyzxyzxyz]

@@j.robertsergertson4513 You'd have to put a whole lot of bags in a container that size. Air can store a surprising amount of water. But yes, given enough of desiccants, it's viable. As long as it remains sealed.

[@freddyoutdoors]

Not a bad idea

[@larryberry2436]

MREs are only good for 5-years. Spam and Twinkies, forever 😊.

[@dougroll8139]

I'm sure Dan knows what went wrong and how to fix it. It's not his first rodeo. Talk about beating a dead horse to death.

[@HarshmanHills]

great testing with little knowledge at the time

[@elizabeththompson4424]

I have a bunch of BIC Lighters that have been in storage & went the way of your sparky thing, the flint rots yep, you BIC won't flick... best solution is the EXOTAC TITAN LIGHTER, the flint is in a air tight lighter fluid vapor filled chamber & should last a long time; the flint is replaceable; and since the system is air tight it's always ready, unlike a ZIPPO LIGHTER what you think is mold could also be electrolysis between dissimilar metals aluminum will get a white oxidization powder I also had a reaction between a metal & plastic I discovered recently destroyed the plastic bits making them brittle a brass protractor destroyed a bunch of my drafting templates & a storage case this really SURPRISED me!!! but yeah, looks like some moisture got in your cache the butt end might not have been glued well could be a hairline crack in the tubing... FYI if you have any old military MOLLE - check it! I recently went thru my gear and 90% of my MOLLE has gotten GUMMY, it's all a sticky mess I have decommissioned all the sticky stuff & gone back to an old canvas backpack & other gear my ALICE stuff is still good... NEW is NOT always better!!!

[@edieboudreau9637]

Hmm

[@scottjohndonlan]

I speak French. It is absolutely not "cashay". That would be the past participle of cache, the verb for "hide". The noun is also "cache" pronounced cash. Cachette would be a hiding place. Au revoir!

[@johnwyman5939]

Cool !! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 🇺🇸🇺🇸🪓🔪👍🏻👍🏻