Did We Get Wet-Dry Guitar Rigs Wrong? [Proper Wet-Dry-Wet Vs TPS Wet-Dry]

[@tonedragon8616]

almost 2 years since I stumbled upon the rabea heavy tones video. Had no idea what wet dry was and that it would change my life on guitar tone forever. Been playing for 20 years now and I’ve learned more in the last 2 years then I have in the previous 15 from you guys. Your by far the biggest influence to me and I really can’t thank you guys enough for your honesty and wisdom on your experience with music!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Ah man that’s AWESOME! Thanks so much and happy tones!

[@ofsoundmind13]

Probably about a year and a half here but absolutely same story. Playing for two decades and I was in such a rut with my playing ability and tone. Nothing about picking up the guitar was inspiring at all anymore. Fast forward to today and I’m absolutely loving my tone and it’s caused me to break through a wall with my ability and fretboard knowledge as well! I’m playing for hours multiple times a week and literally lose myself in the sound every time! Massive thanks to D&M and also a fair amount of love to the leg ends in the Facebook group! ❤️🤘

[@Scoots1994]

And now Rabea's live rig is back to more the wet-dry-wet complicated setup because after wet-dry he fell in love with the stereo effects.

[@popart13]

@@ofsoundmind13 we are on the same path, feels great doesnt it? if wee knew then what we know now? yikes!

[@ofsoundmind13]

@@popart13 it’s getting better by the minute! Absolutely loving my setup lately!❤️🤘

[@tgdkls5891]

47:07 Dan once again discovers, defines and demonstrates the purpose of life on earth and the meaning of human existence. Mick enjoys, notes it and makes minor adjustments. God I love you both so much. Thank you.

[@nenadkarisic7726]

Hahaha indeed, that moment killed me, I literally laughed out loud. :D

[@joehoppard814]

I've watched your content for a number of years now, but what you do has become super-important to me in the last two years. I feel grounded and reassured, as well as interested, by your work. And thanks for answering my Superchat the other day! AND for continuing to make things that are truly edifying and enriching. I appreciate you both. Thank you.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks so much Joe!

[@christopher-miles]

hell yeah, that's really cool!

[@xianbadger8602]

I would like to second joe hoppard wholeheartedly. I find both Dan and Micks playing to be absolutely magic, in very unique and inspiring ways, and it’s been something to hold onto during difficult times. Micks blues licks are always piercing and emotive, and Dan’s rich, complex sound-scapes leave me in awe sometimes. Both of you guys simply play beautifully! Dan, I was so happy when gave me a shout out once!!!!! I think we were talking about the book Sapiens by yuval noah harari. Great read by the way. Anyway, you guys are awesome, and your playing in all the videos, but especially this one, truly touched me. The badass musical vignettes that you guys come up with to demonstrate the musicality of this equipment is nothing short of incredible. Watching your shows is legitimately one of my favorite ways to be spending my time. Keep up the good work!!!

[@MarkRigler]

Can't wait for next week's 5.1 surround sound set up

[@kurtisr2339]

Friday morning, Kansas City USA: working out in the basement, re-watching lockdown VCQ, playing unplugged Tele for 60-90 seconds between sets. Tablet pings. New TPS! The road here has been a hard one, but in moments like these … life is glorious. Thanks for all you do to champion these simple pleasures. Love you guys.

[@kodykindhart5644]

Same here repping and jammin

[@kodykindhart5644]

Pdx oregon tho 🤘 Listen to super secret band while you do 🙏🙏🙏

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Cool video guys! The true W/D/W rigs sure are glorious! Thanks for making this video to help evangelize this approach! Around 11:00 I would say the more common way than the mic'd dry amp feeding a mic pre and then the wet processing effects, was instead, using a Line Out Box or having a line out built into the amplifier. The line out was a line level output tapped off the output transformer with a volume control to attenuate the level to match up with the effects it was feeding, this is different from an FX Loop Send (or preamp output). The Line Out is what Steve Lukather, Paul Jackson Jr., Jay Graydon and others did with their Rivera Modded "Stage II" or "Stage III" Fender amplifiers. They did often have buffered effects loops added as a part of the mod, but for the Wet/Dry/Wet thing would use the line out and either load the Rivera amp with a resistive load (if they didn't want to mic the dry amp speaker) and then feed their stereo effects to a stereo power amp and then wet cabinets (and just have two cabs on stage with the dry and wet in both cabs) or they would mic the dry amp and feed the wet processing effects via the line out that were all in a stereo parallel mixer (except for chorus, compression, and maybe EQ), that would feed a stereo power amp and wet cabinets for L and R.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Fascinating, thanks for the insight into those rigs!

[@marcshelton4658]

YES! Parallel! More control over more and finer detail! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[@thaddeusfields4360]

As I’ve been binge watching your channel lately, your passion and joy through 6 strings has reignited my love and passion for all things guitar tone. Thank you!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you kindly! And welcome to the fam!

[@jrdelapierre6008]

I just want to say thank you for all the effort you guys went through to get this setup done. This explains so many things SO beautifully ito not just guitar but studio setups. This is second only to Dan's Monster Delay board :)

[@ThatPedalShow]

Awesome, thank you!

[@beeflin]

I think this may be my favourite TPS vid. An excellent demonstration of exactly why TPS-WD is the optimum.

[@TechMetalRules]

"TPS Wet/Dry" is the perfect term. Like Dan said, you still get that fullness of the dual amp setup even when all the "wet" effects are off.

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

It is too bad you cannot hear that in the video as both amp were mixed dead straight...

[@lewisorton]

@@egoncorneliscallery9535 Well they did say that if running it live they'd say put both amps straight down the middle rather than panning left and right 😊 so I guess that's what they were going for

[@johnhouseman8018]

The incredible thing about Dan is that his face always matches how he plays. He always looks like he has just discovered the most beautiful tone anyone has ever heard. I love it!

[@badgerdub]

A working-mans version of the OG wet-dry-wet is to use a solid state stereo combo like Roland KC-220 / KC-990 to run your stereo wet signal. Your wet signal doesn't need a pair of boutique guitar amps. No guitar tech required LOL. Just have the house take the DI L/R out of the KC and hard pan them and your done. Run the DI into an Iridium cab sim if you need that depth. You can stack the KC-220 on top of your combo amp, or put the combo amp on top of the KC-990 to get the Left-Center-Right effect.

[@periloustemple8290]

That is the most amazing take on the 80's rig ever. What is most shocking is that even with that much kit, it is pretty simple compared to all that wild rack stuff we had. Remains impractical as ever, but so amazing and so fun. Great playing, too. Lovely stuff.

[@galogamoth]

I’d love it if you did get in a couple of pro juniors and put them wet/dry up against a single “big” amp in terms of sounding big at different volumes, it gets alluded to fairly often

[@ThatPedalShow]

Let’s totally do that!

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

Those Pro Juniors are awesome little monster amps but easy to fry. They get so hot they melt the valve sockets. The overdriven sound is really great and better than other amps like the Blues Junior. No tone stack loss so pretty loud.Less versatile but loved by blues players. 2 of them would be glorious..didnt Jeff Beck use them at some point? Mick would probably know

[@chasebeavers]

They’re toys, and they sound like toys when next to a big amp.

[@shorerocks]

I cannot remember Dan being so happy while fiddling along. Drown me in sound, baby!

[@zootallures1]

Long live “TPS Wet/Dry”!! Implemented 3 years ago, per the boy’s direction, and I could not be happier. I’m inspired every day to play because of it…best investment ever. Thanks Gents, you got it 100% correct!!

[@ciggy_]

08:25 “the boogie and the sensor” possibly the greatest name for a disco/funk group ever

[@ThatPedalShow]

Get in!

[@robertlewis5439]

I lol'd in the 52nd minute with the joint gesticulation between Dan and Mick. The posing demonstrated a clear lack of scripted coordination while performing outstanding improvisation. Bravo!

[@natenobrakes6292]

Got to say, Dan’s playing was truly inspired. Fun for days indeed.

[@PTintheBC]

Great to see you both having fun. Your joy is infectious.

[@TechMetalRules]

I love when Dan sets up these "elaborate" rigs.

[@mattflickinger8151]

Yea the “deconstructed” setup to help visualize, ha!

[@markcarey8178]

It's all bloody magic to me - a peice of metal vibrating near a magnate get's turned into music - any else from there is more iceing on the cake - what ever floats your boat baby

[@grosebud4554]

Facts. Humans rule

[@mattgilbert7347]

This +1

[@greentaichi]

Catching up with TPS. Dan 😃 Epic epic epic, I was rewinding the video to listen to your playing again. Love it mate, rock on 🤘🙏

[@JonNewquist]

After watching all the way through, I had to go back and watch Dan's opening schwang again. I was afraid having a peek behind the Curtain of Oz would spoil the magic. I'm happy to report it did not. Wonderful stereo mix, Mick, Glorious! Since adopting wet-dry from your influence, I've never put wet effects in my dry amp, and many times my wet amp is my Jazz Chorus running in stereo. So I don't have center dry, but I still love it. Thanks guys!

[@PlanetRoss365]

Very timely: A couple of days ago, a Radial Twin-City ABY arrived in the mail... Let the experimentation begin! Also: great episode, fantastic sounds.

[@johnnybegood2693]

Jesus Guys! That tone was astonishing - never heard such a big, lush and transparent tone in your show with a pristine, almost 3D like sound quality.. that Mesa California smokes but it is the whole package that seems to work beautifully together.. that was a great one - thanks!

[@johnnybegood2693]

... and most of all I liked how much fun you had playing! I think for the listener of TPS - having "only" the recorded impression - the wet/dry/wet is just more the way you're used listening to records, so that's the sound! I use the "TPS wet/dry" and it is just a great room experience and in addition an interesting form of sound design by matching amps/pedals etc..

[@glennw3909]

So….this episode has me itching to have you create a world ‘TPS show tour’ . I would love to sit back and watch you play for hours live on-stage and discuss the meaning of life, that which is all things tone. Loved the episode! Cheers!

[@ThatPedalShow]

A few people have suggested it Glenn…… hmmmm…… mayyyyybeeeeeeee

[@MicolCazzell]

In my heart, it will forever be "wet's dry wig." Thanks for another great video, Toes. Let the record show that I prefer wet's dry wig to all of it, although I know how much y'all love that Mesa power amp. I would never rain on that parade of extravagance. It's lovely. : )

[@jonaserfors6901]

Another inspiering show! Very nice intro Dan. Have a great weekend both of you!!

[@miguelhalverson-ramos6299]

Thank you for this episode! I've been exploring variations of wet-dry over the last decade, so I was really interested to see and hear your demonstrations. I agree that for gigs a smaller footprint and straightforward setup for yourself and sound engineers is the way to go. My guitar is a Telecaster, but my main instrument of performance is an electric viola; I began experimenting because I wanted to maintain the viola tone, bow articulation response and clarity that I was already getting, and then be able to add and control the effected sounds separately. I've used one amp with parallel volume pedals - one dry the other 100% wet, two amps with the parallel volume pedals but the wet with some original sound (basically the TPS format) , two amps in series where the second amp is wet, and three amps set up wet-dry-wet with the outer amps in stereo. My basic wet is reverb - sometimes just the reverb on one of the amps, other times a reverb pedal with a big 0-100% range of level, tone, and length. I like smooth resonant plate or hall reverb sounds, and following that with a really slow OTA phaser, usually with both at subtle settings, but sometimes huge for what I call the "space viola" sound.

[@eaglerayrob]

Very similar to using mid/side processing in mastering. Great for creating a wide, deep, and focused sound. I'm about to add the "Dry" amp to my current Stereo rig for wet/dry/wet. This was great. Thanks!

[@mattheweley]

The fellow with his own KZbin channel who may or may not have appeared in this comment thread and happens to be one of your more vocal critics regarding the silly semantics of “wet/dry” should have more respect for the contribution you guys give to the space. That dude makes some cool sounding pedals but for my money(and I do actually give you my money), this is where I like to come for deep dives and good times. Thanks and keep it up gents

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Matt. Believe it or not this wasn’t a pop at poor old Mason. It was in response to the genuine Qs we get about it all the time. As we always say, no answers only better questions. We’re here to grow and learn, not be prescriptive or preachy. Cheers!

[@GuitarsOK]

Unreal sounds! 👏 I am now looking at using this sound (jam nights, church and backyard gigs). Never heard of this before (and I started playing guitar in 1995)! Thank you guys for always presenting new ideas with fervor and friendship….you guys are the best! ❤

[@Ytsejam007]

An all timer video of yours lads, fantastic - love the Steve Morse shout out, the second I saw what you were doing I said thats the Morse way! Always been in awe of how he blends effects on the fly, nice to hear the benefit of it in detail, fabulous sounds. Great job....you lads do important work!

[@mytourdad]

Guys, you're the one KZbin channel for which I always click the thumb up even before the video starts. And then, every single time, by the end of the video, I've learnt so much that I feel frustrated for not being able to click on it again. Finally got the time to sit down with a proper headset for an hour and there's one thing to say: this one is another gem on this platform. I've been experimenting with wet/dry, wed/dry/wet and even clean/dirty setups for a while and this video brought me such a better understanding of what's not right in my attempts. Thank you soooo much for sharing all your knowledge with such joy and enthousiasm. I hope there will be some TPS band shows in the EU at some point so I can properly participate in supporting you guys. Much love

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks so much! We’re made up that this is useful to you. Thank you for spending your time with us!

[@SlightlyDiminished]

After that Mesa stereo video I'm trying to figure out on how to do a wet/dry rig, with the wet in stereo in a 2x12 verticle cab. Bouncy plus wet/dry. I may have to contact you guys. You continually make me rethink everything. Great job gents.

[@jsalmons84]

Glad you made this! Multiple ways to achieve the same goal, but I think Bob Bradshaw and 80’s session players would disagree with your version of “wet/dry”. Full disclosure I have used your approach for years and I simplify it to “wet/dry” instead of dual mono for ease much in the same way guitar players call the whammy bar “tremolo” instead of vibrato. True wet/dry is beyond the average guitarist but is cool as hell for certain situations. I think the dual mono version of wet/dry that you use is more accessible and flexible for the average guitarist. I have found amazing uses for mono, stereo, wet/dry and dual mono with time based effects going to one amp only for various situations.

[@ThemFuzzyMonsters]

I have used WDW rigs for over two decades. I can vouch for the struggle of dealing with Sound-people. Many don’t even understand why a guitar would be stereo, let alone more than stereo. I put that on them! That said, a WDW doesn’t have to be gigantic: three vertical 2x12s; or three 1x12s. There are many tiny power amps on the market, and all you need to get spread is a stereo delay or a stereo modulation pedal (or ideally, both). I used three 2x12s for years, it’s not that large, or heavy, sounds punchy and massive (like a 6x12) when dry, and a wide & lush when the three signals are on. All it took was an Eventide Timefactor and a TC Corona. Everything else can go in front of the amp - as you would with any setup. Granted it is best for a power trio set-up or whenever there isn’t another guitar player.

[@Bullittbl]

The TPS way is the working man's wet dry that sounds great. It's something anyone can do with minimal investment, fuss and bother. I think I want a wetter box though. I think the possibilities are endless with that

[@steveguitaristsmith]

I’m loving this episode, nailing the tones I grew up listening to. 80s session tone heaven.

[@SomeKindOfMadman]

Thanks for the upload chaps! What it whatever you want it’s all up to you

[@tszegvary]

I use a TheGigRig Wetterbox to create a Wet/Dry using 1 amp by blending my wet effects in parallel to the direct signal. It's certainly no a true Wet/Dry, but it definitely massively improves the tone at gets pretty close to the sound of my wet/dry setup with two amps! And, I don't need to schlepp a ton of gear 🙂

[@CradleRawk]

Sweet tones and amazing playing from both chaps, well done!

[@barron267]

There’s nothing more inspiring, IMO, than a great stereo tone, no matter how it’s done.

[@ap7498]

aurium gulae- aural gluttony Thank you!! I love these wet-dry, wet-dry-wet videos you guys do. Listening in the car as I drive is a delight!!

[@EDKguy]

Dan, I was a frequent long time listener to The Show and then 2 years ago took time off from all things guitar after playing live for 30+ yrs. You have taken your playing to a new level. I thought you were a little mechanical in your playing. Technically nice, but... Mic was the music man. Hearing you today, you are the music man! I hear joy and beauty in your playing. You made my day Cheers man!

[@lanthaniated1]

Loved Dan's brown sound from 30.15 awesome show guys

[@ShinyShinyBlack]

Just started watching the video in my recording studio while archiving some files, and again I'm just so happy about how much you guys care about the production quality of TPS. Best audio on the internet. THANK YOU!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you so much! This makes me happy! Mick here. :0)

[@Durgo25]

But you can run a full Wet/Dry rig as well with only one dry amp and one wet cab. It doesn’t have to be stereo wet effects. The best way to do it is tapped off the speaker out with like a Suhr ISO Line Out so you’re getting the full dry amps power section as well with a variable line level control. This is how Bob Bradshaw does it (albeit with his own line out box). Then you run it into something like a Musicom Lab Paralelizer or even the RJM PBC 10 switcher which has a built in stereo parallel line mixer that you can turn on/off the dry signal at any time. From there hit a mono power amp and into a wet cab. And this is all on a pedalboard with only the addition of the parallel line mixer of your choice. Does not have to be a giant rack unit to get a full wet/dry rig.

[@Sammywhat]

Wow! Don't know if it's just the inspiration of the setup, however all effects and setup aside, this is the best I've heard both of you play thus far!! Such a delight!! You two are so inspirational - many thanks to you both! 😍🔥🎸🙏♾

[@justinbalog]

I just call it D&M and it sounds killer! TPS has inspired me so much over the last few years. Thanks as always gents & lady!

[@OtherTheDave]

Dry & Moist? Damp & Mummified? 😁

[@ebeep]

Can't wait for another Strat Vlog! That '70(?) sounds amazing!

[@munkyenima]

That was the most epic intro. Absolute Legend.

[@billytremoloband7456]

Yea, multi amp set up episode, my favourite. Great vid guys, and a Strat in Eb just to make it even better.

[@gargantula3274]

Almost everything I've recorded has been with a stereo setup since the first video you guys put up on the subject. I love this sound so much, it reminds me of Ty Tabor of Kings X's tone from the Dogman album. One of the greatest guitar tones I've ever heard on an album, very much a sound to aspire to.

[@TalleyWacker1000]

18:50 is almost too good to be true... unbelievably lush!

[@leemichaelgeller4420]

How appropriate! I’ve been experimenting recently with using a Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 20 for my “dry” and my old Line6 Flextone III as the stereo “wet”.

[@wimjacobs4075]

Great show!! Don't know what to call TPS wet-dry other than that, but I'm playing "bedroom wet-dry": wet=whatever goes through my pedals and comes out of my Yamaha THR10II at neighbour-safe-volume, versus dry=my guitar (Sire Larry Carton H7) strings that ring out as loud as the practice amp. ;-)

[@ThatPedalShow]

Ha! Nice!

[@robertsiesling3960]

After seeing one of your older Wet/Dry videos, I'm hooked. In respect of the setting of the amps, I'm in Micks camp. Both clean and reacting the same considering volume and compression. I use two Award-Session 5E3-extra amps. You might like to check them out when you do a new transistor amp feature. Keep up the good work.

[@martincarpenter3461]

Thank you guys!! Great episode and sounds! I am using MLC dual stereo line mixer to achieve this "wet dry" thing with my gear. 🎸

[@iansmith7871]

Surprised to not hear the words 'Moist', or even (my favourite) 'Rhett's Dry Wig'. I really enjoyed this episode fellas, well done. Dan's playing was particularly good today.

[@julianquirk9946]

Awesome guys great demo at the Birmingham show as well. Mick that LP cranked was 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Julian! I am flippin LOVING this Lester! :0)

[@robinmatjanoski5318]

Dan's Impromptu Noodle has more aesthetic, arthistic and musical value than most we hear on the radio these days. Well done Sir.

[@luthierwnc]

I've really enjoyed how much better you have both become over the time I've been watching. sh

[@hihopeseveryday]

Brilliant! I'm working on re-amping right now so my studio effects are post on the mix. But this was purest Master class to teach the very essence of what the wdw setup earthly is. Beautiful effects, a bit Richard Claptons Capricorn dancer hit me square on whilst Dan is playing and Mic on the work of mixing...thanks so much!

[@mattgilbert7347]

30:22 Dan channels the 1984 "Dune" soundtrack by Toto 😅😆! Amazing. Fun for days indeed

[@ckjjclan]

Good lord, you fellas make some amazing tones…. So good.

[@ikbogle]

Great Video guys, great sounds as always, loving Dan’s neck dive, awesome. I think TPSWetDry™️ about covers the naming. As a side my guitar rig is set up in the utility room, dry amp sits on the tumble dryer, wet amp sits over the washing machine. Have a great weekend

[@jonathananderson3897]

So 3 hours after watching, I can confirm wet dry wet is the future. Cannot believe this hasn't occurred to me before. Its soooo good. Thanks again guys 👌

[@yagoravell7944]

Epic sounds all the way through, but the HRM with the Paul, man, i'm hooked!

[@johnmaseratis]

A stimulating episode. Thank you chaps. PS I'm convinced it's 'Dry-Wet' rather than 'Wet-Dry' !

[@MattXScott]

This was fascinating and it sounded epic! Bonus nerd points for this episode. thank you!

[@BV_Beve]

Another real 'proper' video, great sounds both !

[@davidLPST]

31.22 LOL. Awesome as always. Dan was on fire today. Another brilliant episode. You’ve taken me from a non-player to a wet dry rig. My favourite show anywhere on any device. Right at the start back in 2017 Mick replied to a comment I left that “tone always matters” (even as a beginner…) and I’ve never forgotten that lesson.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks so much David! Great to have you here!

[@SavageBrewer]

I experimented this for a while, used three Quilter ToneBlock 202's for amps. And then three cabinets, two sealed RedBack 1x12's for left and right (wet) and the center (dry) was loaded with 2x12 creambacks. Various effects processors, pedals and so on, it sounded best with at least 4-6 feet separation between the cabinets which is not an option for most stages when you figure in 2 guitars, bass player and drums. just not enough room. The Quilters made it easy to tweak, reasonable cost and lightweight, also worth noting with the left and right in open back cabinets I had some really weird phase issues I can only attribute to room reflections using sealed cabinets for the wet really improved the imaging and "depth". 100% not practical for at home, but was fun to play with when I had all the equipment on hand. Thanks for all the videos!

[@orryfishburne5326]

I know this isnt Wet/Dry related, but the mixer on the board is related. U guys should do an episode on using a mixer to blend parallel chains and how that can expand your tonal palette. Maybe even explain the differences, benefits, and downsides between active and passive resistance mixers. I recently decided to add a mixer (DOD 240 Resistance Mixer) in order to blend clean signal back into my dirty signal, and oh boy, it is amazing. Im shocked on how such a simple thing can open up a massive world of possibilities. I have a Boss Eq-200 before my gain section that splits my dry signal to the mixer and having that blend option and the eq to shape frequencies before the dirt pedals without eq'ing my dry signal allows a plethora of tonal options that weren't possible before with the same handful of pedals. Using a passive resistance mixer does have some volume drop when turning one channel down, but having a boost after it (return back to Mesa Highwire) fixes that problem for me, but an active mixer would fix that problem more efficiently. I would really love to see TPS's approach to this topic in a future episode, see what type of sounds u can pull out of it, and teach us pedal nerds more about pedal mixers.

[@bryceyarrington6462]

Very graciously handled boys … as always. 👍🏼

[@TheBeriking]

I wish I couldn’t play Van Halen like Dan does from 29:38 (or 45:00 for that matter…) Magnificent show, Galactic playing from both of you!

[@bluesful]

The back-to-back W/D/W to W/D comparison was a really nice edit for us. Just shows how massive W/D/W sounds.

[@ThatPedalShow]

It’s the stereo thing - just colossal! Some of that is reduced slightly when you’re not using headphones or sat in a nice stereo monitor mix…. But still, it’s huge!

[@BCarpenter2314]

That JRAD HRM pedal sounds awesome! 🔥

[@patrickcarroll1754]

Great video TPS! One of the clearest episodes yet. Just a few questions: - When do & don't you need a line out box? - Does a splitter always put the effects on the other side into parallel? - Regarding the 2nd diagram/method, why was the signal routed to the input of the 2 amps and not in the effects loop? Thanks!

[@TheProgGuy]

26:46 - 29:32 is the best part of this video...I've listened to it like 7 times now and it's just as good as the first listen. Those Mesa Tweed amps out Fender any Fender amp any day of the week. The video doesn't even do the amp justice, it fills any room with such pristine clean tones.

[@crissmith2911]

I run a split post-drive pedals. Dry signal goes to a Hi-Tone DG50 in the middle. The wet signal eventually splits into 6 lines that get remixed into 2 outputs that go to a Two-Rock Bloomfield Drive on the left and a Victory V40 Deluxe on the right, all 3 amps sitting on vertical 2x12 cabs. For the wet effects, a Harmonius Monk gets split to dual-mono, a Free The Tone Future Factory into L-R stereo delay, and a Source Audio Ventris into L-R stereo reverb, all run in parallel. I run the wet amps at around 69% wet mix. Definitely not a gigging rig... it's purely a piss-the-neighbors-off rig. The biggest challenge I have is balancing levels between the 3 amps, but once it's dialed in, it's epic. Many thanks to you guys for the knowledge and motivation to put this together. Curses to you guys for the money I've spent! Just kidding... keep up the great work!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Ho. Lee. Sheeeeeat! Now that’s a rig!

[@scottakam]

Thanks guys. I do Wet-Dry all the time when using a modeler. It sounds good and is super easy. When I use a tube amp, Mr. Mono!

[@Yamsek]

You make a point I was bringing up on another thread - that all this wet/dry fuss originated as a studio technique. My point was I believe it gets lost to some degree in a live setting - unless you utilize the left/right PA speakers for a wide even spread over your audience. Otherwise unless you happen to be right in front of the guitar player - your not going to get the beautiful wash of sound thats somewhat ‘fooling’ everybody listening to KZbin videos > which are actually very controlled recordings > bringing us back to our first point > studio recording!

[@EricNielsen85]

TPS ROCKS!!! Thank u for all the knowledge and tones.

[@MaPa60]

Wow, you master so many playing techniques, very enjoyable to listen to. And that pedalboard is a piece of art in itself!

[@stanislavmigra]

Dan + Red into TPS wet/dry = sound to die for. Its incredible how much better Dan plays, when he is inspired by tone.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Totally this! Mick here. And it’s not just Dan, it’s everyone! When it takes you, new horizons present. That’s why we always say… play what inspires you. And nothing else!

[@BrentAdams]

I think that I need Mick ... to come over and twist knobs for me. Wonderful examples....and those tones can become so inspiring to the moment! Great job. Wet-dry-wet is perfect for studio stuff. The TPS wet-dry is what I would be using live...and often, even for recording. They both have their place. The wet-dry-wet can indeed sound majestic.... MASSIVE .... and absolutely beautiful when tweaked for amazing stereo effect! Love them both for their individual high points.

[@arnolddealiii4259]

I’m really loving that big headstock 70’s Stratocaster! Maybe it was the enormous amount of tones in this video, but I have completely changed my mind about 70’s Stratocasters from this video!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Hello Arnold, Mick here! If you get a chance, watch the recent video we did with Aynsley Lister. A bunch of 70s Strats and quite possibly the best Strat tones we’ve ever had on the show! Cheers!

[@arnolddealiii4259]

@@ThatPedalShow Mick trust me I never miss an episode or a live stream! The Lister show was epic!

[@nickharrington12]

Wow. This was one of the best sounding episodes ever! Mick, I don't know how you let the waterfall be on the green knobs of the mixer and the Topanga on the blue. The visual mismatch was driving me crazy, haha. The wet/dry/wet sounded epic, but I'm glad TPS wet/dry sounds nearly as good. I've built a Trainwreck Express clone, and just ordered parts to build a Trainwreck Rocket clone. The Express will be my dry amp, the Rocket wet, and they will be split in a 2x12. All because of you guys and the mass amount of knowledge you have let loose over the years. Thanks, guys!

[@ThatPedalShow]

It may please you to know Nick that it was totally doing my head in for the whole video. True story. Hahahaha!

[@nickharrington12]

@@ThatPedalShow Haha, I’m glad to hear it. I watched in disbelief, as you didn’t comment, or have Dan do a quick pedal switcharoo to remedy the problem. Cheers.

[@ianwillis2761]

One of my favorite way to set up wet/dry/wet is to use an expression pedal to control volumes of both wet and dry but in a cross fader fashion. Heal down wet, toe down dry and all the mixes in between.

[@eoinjennings519]

That is an awesome idea

[@hihopeseveryday]

Exactly same for my new pboard just built. Use a mission volume, an expression, on both delay, reverb, and chorus. The board is purpose built and runs stereo into two Vox AC15C1's.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Inspiring tones : check Educational content : check Charm, charisma, banter :check Friday TPS happiness ensues: check, check, check! Just watched the RT-202/Volante/DL4 MK.II from last week. Chaps, I do believe you've sold a Volante. It really is the king of tape & drum echo. Anyone want to buy a Boss DD3? 😂

[@timchalmers1700]

Epic show! Amazing playing !! And you know ... I think you guys have come up with an incredible improvement over the "original wet/dry/wet/whatever". After attending That Pedal University for a couple of years, here is how I have applied my learning to my budget. Guitar > Polytune 3 > Radial BigShot ABY > B Out to Blackstar HT-5R (either Clean or Dirty channel with Reverb on a bit) > A Out to TC Electronic HyperGravity > Nobels ODR-mini > Tumnus Deluxe > Boss CE-2 (which I've had for nearly 40 years) > Flashback II > Keeley Verb-o-Trem > MXR Classic Overdrive > MXR 10 Band EQ > Katana 50 MkII (usually clean but I can use Flanger or Phaser.) Mick would say that there will be latency causing phase problems but I can't hear it at apartment levels. Flipping the Phase switch on the BigShot sometimes makes a small difference but usually I don't hear any difference.

[@PFDarkside]

Fantastic episode. (Currently halfway through) I’d have loved to see a micro pitch shift in there as well, for the Landeau and EVH sounds. The chorus is wide, but the slight detune takes it to the next level! I think i’m going to put this together with my G-Major 2 and Stereo 2:90 for the Wet channels and everything I’ve currently got for dry.

[@ericreaves2536]

Stereo detune is my favorite "modulation" sound ever. I totally agree.

[@jasyynnoe8392]

I experimented in my Podhd500x with a slight detune and slight delay on one side of a stereo split with different amp models and was instantly taken to 1986. 😉

[@iansmith7871]

Where did I see the micro detune in a wet dry thing recently? Was it a vertex video?

[@PFDarkside]

@@iansmith7871 might be, but every Landeau and EVH post-DLR video includes it too.

[@jerrygriffin6388]

@@iansmith7871 possibly, he just did a video about line out boxes, which featured a wet/dry/wet setup.

[@kevinberthoud9347]

Sensei tone masters, great video (as always)! Agree with Mr. Tonedragon below. Dan you are a WILD-N-CRAZEE guy ... totally love it! :)

[@GazCal]

Hi Dan & Mick, Fantastic show as usual. Been following the Wet & Dry journey and this show really opened everything up to a new clarity ... On a side note, I noticed you used a single output (A) on the FF-1Y on the final board but had the delay set to Stereo. Even though you are going into one (mono) amp it is still possible to utilise both A&B channels of the delay using a 1/4 in TSF to Dual 1/4 in TS cable turning a stereo signal to a mono signal, so allowing the use of both series and stereo delay signals to further and double your delay effect options.. obviously you don't get stereo delay output from one amp but it does offer an extra delay/signal in mono. .. I have A&B outputs of the FF-1Y going into a Ditto Stereo Looper, with a stereo to mono output (Y- cable) going to a mono reverb or direct to amp. Of course you may already now this. :) Great show !!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Hello Gaz. You might have spotted I changed it from stereo to series. The latter definitely works mono and I’m not sure of the former sums to mono. Should check that! Mick here. :0)

[@the_nondrive_side]

I had a ABY split to two combo amps and one I ran a delay and Looper (the louder one) solid state 2-12" 120WRMS that had a decent reverb built in. I left the Dry 12" with reverb off and ran quite a bit harder into breakup. Wide stereo the thing was perfect. Just not something I could rationalize keeping. I still run multiple parallel inputs but with a single Keyboard amp. KBA 50 3 Inputs and a loop. I still run the ABY but I've been using a MICROCUBE gx also with my Focusrite and monitors sometimes.. one bass I have three outputs mudbucker P and Double J.. An acoustic with Piezo UST-SBT and a dual rail humbucker with Series Parallel.. Sometimes out comes the Firepod just to get enough inputs

[@compucorder64]

I use a Vox AC15 as my main amp, dry-ish. But I do use a touch of the on-board spring reverb, and the tremelo when I want it. And then have two old Vox Pathfinder 15Rs for stereo wet. No effects loop in any of the Vox amps. But I can use the Pathfinders as my Wet-Wet stereo amps. I tend to play pretty clean, just a touch of MXR Timmy to fatten. Then EHX Hot Tubes for a bit of dynamic grit/hair/dirt. For the music I love to play, I love to build up stereo soundscapes. And I wouldn't want to lose out on the lovely stereo pedals for chorus, granular, delay, and reverb. So I split it there after the Hot Tubes. One feed goes mono Dry-ish to Vox AC15 center channel. The other split feed goes to TC Electronic SCF+. After that, it's stereo for the L-R Wet-Wet signal path. SCF+ Into Chase Bliss Mood mk.II, SOMA Labs Cosmos. Then finally UA FX Del-Verb. It's more towards wet-dry-wet. But, it takes on some aspects of the TPS Wet-Dry, in that, the stereo effects are in series, not parallel. And I don't use loads of volume pedals/controllers. It's a studio setup, not for live. So I I just use the built in volume controls on the pedals, and amps. The two Pathfinders are nice and small. And sound similar enough, but nicely high pass out the muddiest lows for the reverb. The Pathfinder pair is plenty loud enough for wet in the studio. I like how they look like a little Vox trio too, with AC15 front and center, and raised off floor. And the two Pathfinder sidemen, just behind, on the floor, and closer to wall. For re-inforcement of the smaller cab/speakers bass. Only issue is cumulative volume. Would like to try a pair of AC4s as the wet-wet amps, and a Weber mini-mass on the AC15.