Did You Miss the Most Shocking Film in Years?

Few ever talk about it, but this might be the most controversial movie in decades.
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[@daric_]

I wouldn't call this movie "shocking" by any means. "Thought provoking", yes.

[@ultimateblong]

+Daric Soldar Exactly!

[@FabbrizioPlays]

+Daric Soldar It's shocking in the sense that it hits sensitive topics in ways you wouldn't think a mainstream movie would have the guts to.

[@Aflay1]

It's shocking that someone finally figured this idea out. It's surprising that this idea didn't get figured out a long time ago. Most shocking is, indeed, that it isn't really very shocking.

[@unixone7558]

+Daric Soldar It's "shocking" in a way because it flips the traditional idea of whose the hero and whose the villain on it's head. In this film, they're both sort of despicable.

[@Meitti]

+Daric Soldar Thought provoking is "shocking" to Tumblr. And Tumblr is what most of Channel Awesomes fanbase is made of.

[@potitishogun2961997]

Now that's what I call a Two-Face; a hero and a villain at the same time XD

[@mach6247]

Interesting way to see it as actually.

[@potitishogun2961997]

mach6247 Haha :P And a joke too xD

[@chairmanofdabored4120]

potitishogun2961997 Sometimes I call that Marmite Character

[@potitishogun2961997]

Arrowboy2003 The what now? XD

[@chairmanofdabored4120]

potitishogun2961997 A Marmite Character A Person who is never good or bad

[@gasjebasje99]

Dude in alley: "...Hey kid, you wanna smoke?" Me: "I heard that's bad for you." Dude in alley: "But it's a metaphor for free choice." Me: *Sweating*

[@EagleflightAnimations]

69 likes... DON’TRUINIT DON’TRUINIT DON’TRUINIT DON’TRUINIT DON’TRUINIT DON’TRUINIT ruined it

[@zombieregime]

Yes, free choice. As in free TO DO or NOT TO DO. You dont have to engage in an act, just accept others freedom to should they choose to do so.

[@EagleflightAnimations]

@@zombieregime Yea

[@FloopDeMoop]

@@zombieregime But also, do it over there, where you're not ruining the air for everyone else. Includes vapers and pot.

[@battlefrontgameplay1388]

Right but a metaphor doesn't suddenly make a bad choice ok. It's a good metaphor but still at the end of the day the bad choice is still a bad choice. If you wanna make it that's fine but you should also know what it is you are doing before you make that decision.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

This was made by the son of the guy who directed Ghostbusters. That family makes bloody unique comedies, don't they.

[@claymathewselevator8121]

He directed Ghostbusters Afterlife too

[@RandomNonsense1985]

@@claymathewselevator8121 And Juno.

[@TheFoolishSamurai]

Choice: One of the most beautiful words ever.

[@ricardoquezada108]

+Kronk Samson And sadly, some people only want you to believe the same things they do, and forget about the freedom of choice.

[@LoliconSamalik]

Beautiful? :/ I don't know about that specially when you take into consideration the negative things that have happened all based on a single choice.

[@johngleason1776]

+Mario Hyrulia Also one of the most controversial

[@TheFoolishSamurai]

Samir Malik Well, a choice when wisely thought through.

[@LoliconSamalik]

Mario Hyrulia unfortunately not many people are wise these days if I'm going to be frank.

[@TheLastBabyMan]

How could I say no if Cave Johnson and Two-Face told me to smoke?

[@Aflay1]

Like this: No.

[@natetheguitarkid]

+Aflay how to ruin a joke.

[@aliveNChristgal220]

Flip a coin. Lol

[@misterw2688]

Stop it! My prized buzzes are dropping dead every time you speak!

[@annietrinity1833]

I wouldn't take health advice from Cave Johnson

[@ZacharyBlunck]

I think my favorite thing about, at least some of the clips shown in this editorial, is how the film uses a light yellow filter. A color associated with smoking, from yellowing teeth to yellowed wallpaper. I thought that was a nice subtle touch

[@DanielRodriguez-gs2xj]

I never noticed that, I'm def going to have to rewatch it later.

[@hassantarekkamel]

I feel like Aaron Eckhart is incredibly underrated. Albeit, he hasn't necessarily been in a ton of great movies recently (with the exception of The Dark Knight and this incredible gem) but that's not to say he can't act. I would definitely like to see more of him in more serious roles like in other political dramas.

[@Fofanarmy]

my dickhole burns!

[@GigaChadh976]

I think he needs a new agent.

[@evanleebuxton1054]

Hassan Kamel Sully was great

[@quinnzykir]

The Crimson fucker I agree. I’ve always loved his roles

[@Buxenwolf]

Aaron eckhart is great I do like him. He does try to be an action hero that failed

[@benabramowitz18]

In January, there should be an Oscars Month where the Critic reviews former Best Picture champs that don't hold up anymore, like The English Patient, Shakespeare in Love, The Artist, and Crash. Who wants this?

[@CeroAshura]

Shakespeare in love won an award? Hehe surely it must have been a razzie.

[@SGHS2009]

I think that's a great idea. He should do that.

[@TheAntiSanta]

+Cero Ashura Shakespeare in Love won seven Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Actress (Gwyneth Paltrow), and Best Supporting Actress (Judi Dench). - Wikipedia Your entire life is a lie.

[@ObsidiusFan]

+Benjamin Abramowitz That's actually a genius idea. I demand we keep upvoting this comment so Doug sees it!

[@Farfaramir]

+Benjamin Abramowitz The Artist for me still holds. It's a matter of opinion.

[@CreoTan]

I agree: You should be able to choose what you do with your body, as long as you know the risks and consequences, and as long as you don't hurt others.

[@Lemmynx]

+Creo -Tan second hand smoke, though

[@xandertrejo]

+Lemmynx Just walking away from the person that is smoking though.

[@Crystalkat102]

+Lemmynx that's what designated smoking areas are for

[@Doomslayingrocker]

+SkullBoySnafu You nailed it. The argument is two sides of the same coin. On one side, it's known that it's not a good idea to use/consume things your body does not need to be healthy, on the other side there are other things that people consume almost on a daily basis that is not needed yet we accept anyway without question. It's interesting to me to see some people take such a strong stance against something and ignore most other things, i.e. anti smokers. My schools had posters everywhere about the dangers of smoking and pretty much said if you smoke your life is fucked. What's funny about this is I'm from South Dakota. There's alcoholics everywhere. Most kids I went to school with had their first beer when they were 8 or 9 years old and their parents would start buying them alcohol when they made it to high school. I'm not joking. I can't even count how many times I overheard, "My dad's buying us beer for tonight," in the halls. When I went to friends houses, I would be offered alcohol like it was no problem. When I was working at Walmart, I saw tons of people come through with alcohol daily. Some of them were people I grew up around. My old teachers from elementary-high school, class mate's parents, day care workers, even local nutritionists that visited my schools. And it wasn't like I saw them every month or so, it was every week they would come in for it. It was the same people I was selling a case or 2 a week of beer or other alcohol. FOR 2 YEARS! All that said, I love it when I see others take such a strong stance against anything here in SD. Smoking anything is bad for you! You should stop now! (Drinks like a fish) Eating fast food is bad for you! You should eat better and cook your own meals (Buys boxed food and drinks) Soda is terrible for you! (Drinks alcohol) The youth here are lazy and spend too much time on their devices! (Spends all day watching t.v., cuts extracurricular courses in schools, makes no effort to fund things young people would like, and drinks alcohol every day to unwind) Everyone's a hypocrite.

[@Flaris]

+Creo -Tan Which sounds pretty good, but how many things really fall into that? You can say smoking should be fine under that....until you have people who require medical attention and are using up public resources because of their lifestyle. Or those who do reckless activities that risk their lives and require funds and rescue crews. People very rarely live in a bubble. And you can't know before starting a risky activity (like drinking) whether there will be a negative consequence. Now of course if the argument is that you pay for any potential consequences your actions have on others that's fine.

[@Xipingu]

This guy is genius. I started taking a liking to him in The Dark Knight, but... He's a fucking genius. I don't care. Easily one of the best actors I've seen.

[@Xipingu]

DramaHateNation Genius at acting, obviously. Don't tell me you need that to understand what I was saying.

[@Xipingu]

Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes It's also a personal opinion, but it sure should be obvious. Obviously saying he's a genius as in "he's really smart" wouldn't make sense or be relevant to this video.

[@Xipingu]

Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes Also, I like your name. I miss The Matrix.

[@mastracu66207]

+Dr.CookiesNeedLoveLikeEverthingDoes too*

[@isengrim99]

Xip yeah... why isn't he more recognised for his works? he was just as good as ledger in the dark knight, and honestly, I wanted to see two- face more than the joker in a follow- up

[@anthonydeadman]

Hmm the main character is a part of a film that focuses solely on *choice* as well as *two sides* to the story in particular. I think I can see why Aaron Eckhart was assigned the role of Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight movie a lot more clearly now.

[@Zelink108]

I get it, it’s because he is Two-Face.

[@thomasunitt2934]

Christopher Nolan literally gave him the role after seeing him in this film

[@theyoshiterminator6547]

totally calling that "Hotel Transylvania 2" will be a review next month

[@lwanco1018]

+The Yoshinator Maybe he'll do the first

[@braydendrury5559]

I hated that moviw

[@theyoshiterminator6547]

Laura Wanco he already talked about it in "Top Ten New Halloween Classics

[@bluebolt272jpb4]

+The Yoshinator he like Hotel Transylvania

[@theyoshiterminator6547]

john bice I know, I liked it too

[@stripes881]

one could say this movie is... two faced

[@me_oh_me_oh_my9390]

Who played TF in this?

[@CatMaster90001]

+Easton Patterson It's not about what I want... IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S FAIR!!

[@PrincessHarmonyMoonlight]

+Easton Patterson ohh I get it xD good inception reference

[@thomashall6733]

+Princess Rainbow Dash huh? are you a troll?

[@DeepEye1994]

*+Thomas Hall* I've seen Princess Rainbow Dash's comments on many other videos and he/she always says stupid fucking things. I've even seen other bronies having arguments with him/her. So it's either a troll, or a dumb person.

[@ZergrushEddie]

Saying that the Senator is a "villain" is silly. Antagonist, sure, but not villain which just implies "bad guy." The movie is really funny and well made but you shouldn't sell it in such a way that makes it seem like it wants to shock you. A lot of Nick's character is just saying "it is my job"; he even gives credits to the scientists who work in the tobacco industry as geniuses because "they have been testing the link of tobacco and cancer for years and have found no results; they could disprove gravity." I see a lot of Nick's character as the guy that would go from leading healthcare reform to suddenly being a lobbyist for "Make People Sick Foundation" just because "well, it is my job." And with the ending, I could never decide if it was "well, it is my son's choice if he wants to smoke when he is an adult" or Nick truly choosing his work over his son. Still, GREAT movie.

[@hardcoreking52]

His son because they gave him his job back, but he turned it down. Because he said "Sometimes there are more important things than paying the mortgage." while starring at his son.

[@unorthodoxromance254]

That's how lobbyists and tobacco executives have framed the argument for decades since the negative effects of tobacco use became prominent: a matter of choice that would be harmful if restricted: "We hear about the addiction and the threat. If cigarettes are too dangerous to be sold, then ban them. Some smokers will obey the law, but many will not. People will be selling cigarettes out of the trunks of cars, cigarettes made by who knows who, made of who knows what." - James W. Johnston, Chief Executive, R.J. Reynolds in a 1994 interview

[@lazerbeam134]

Big Tobacco executives find that argument convenient and persuasive but it doesn't sway them on drugs like marijuana for some reason...

[@PaperThinnGlennHall]

for some people smoking is considered a bad choice but it's their choice to make

[@erttheking]

Provided it's not in public buildings where people can be exposed to second hand smoke, yes.

[@bundyjr.6340]

The Joker smoking is a bad choice that affects the choice maker's body alone, where as rape is inflicting something on another person

[@mklztr4542]

Not for the victim

[@PaperThinnGlennHall]

Tomasz Losinski i didn't see the movie. so yeh

[@PaperThinnGlennHall]

erttheking fair point

[@painoftheheart12]

When one smokes, however, they don't do it in private, in their own home where it is only affecting them. They force others to share in their bad choice. They do it on the streets, at schools, in parking lots, in front of shopping markets. I have severe asthma that even e-cigarettes cause attacks. But I don't have the fucking choice because they force me to share their choice every time they light up in public.

[@malcasablanca]

+Whyntir In Australia, it's now illegal to smoke outside a cafe. You'd initially believe that the tobacco companies would suffer from that law, it's actually the cafes that are taking a hit. Small businesses tend to suffer most under new laws.

[@painoftheheart12]

+RetroGaming4Life go to your car with Windows up or do it at home. you chose the addiction, I didn't choose my illness. should have thought about that before taking it up. and smoking has been a favored part-time in the military since WWI, of course I would never join.

[@painoftheheart12]

+malcasablanca Willing to pay my medical bills so you can smoke in public? you should since you are the direct cause of them. if so, I won't even complain. Just pay me as a walk by.

[@atjshow]

i would start smoking again if it meant i could blow a few puffs in your smug, entitled face. you aren't the center of the world; deal with it.

[@painoftheheart12]

+(according to james) Lol, I don't care, I can say it was assault at that point since you would know my pre-existing condition, making it malicious and possibly even an attempt on my life.

[@skrich2]

He is a sophist. The problem is that people don't understand how Sophism and Philosophy are different.

[@Thatonegirl989]

Sean Richmond knowing that actually made all of this make so much more sense to me.

[@underthetrees4780]

But Sophism is sales and advertising, and it's what our society values.

[@BanditOfBandwidth]

This review reminds me alot of the new "diet charts" that have come out recently, saying basically that beef and butter are THE bad food of this time now. 10 years ago it was fat food, then it was pastas and bread, and now it's this, saying it increases chance for cancer. Some people go wild over it, having enjoyed it for years but now avoid it like it's demonspawn. I'm personally not gonna change my diet drastically because a chart says it, tho I won't ignore it completely ofcourse. But increased chance is so slim. It's like saying sniffing grass can cause cancer. ANYTHING can cause cancer to a certain degree, only some are much worse than the other. Even if I were to change my diet into something much less favorable, and sacrifise more and more things I enjoy, I could still just as easily get some different incurable disease and endup not having enjoyed life as much as i could. (That doesn't mean I WON'T be carefull of what I eat or do, but I won't let the news just dictate what's right and wrong in such detail and make my own decision.)

[@lulucool45]

+BanditOfBandwidth I would recommend that you check out the Paleo diet facts, aka reducing corn and wheat, because those fill you the fuck up more than you need. As for the rest, I don't see a reason to avoid meat or butter if they aren't chemically altered n' shit. Everything does cause cancer.

[@louisduarte8763]

"But the chart says..."

[@Will-ve7rk]

The sequel, “Thank you for vaping”

[@rez1k199]

It’s bad for you but no one fucking cares except your mom. Tell me I’m fkn wrong

[@Daniela-pr7rz]

"Thank you for taking the vaccine"

[@tracark2255]

@@rez1k199 your fucking wrong

[@dazednconfusedrn]

@@Daniela-pr7rz lmao the vaccine is 100% healthy, litteraly stfu

[@Daniela-pr7rz]

@@dazednconfusedrn 'Gentlemen, rehearse this in the mirror every morning : "although we are looking into this, there is no evidence that links those deaths to the vaccine" ' Again, thank you for taking it.

[@yupitsjessbbyx3]

Reminds me of that South Park episode about smoking

[@Mortablunt]

Only the ultimately conclusion of that didn't suck, because it didn't portray there being a great victor for everyone; in usual South Park fashion, everyone is a stupid assfuck, which is why that ep rocks.

[@hankhill4101]

My biggest issue with the episode, is that I get that the anti-smoking crowd can be annoying. But do the tobacco companies REALLY need defending?

[@thedude3065]

it's bad m'kcay

[@VicenteTorresAliasVits]

Hank Hill The episode wanted to show how bad anti-smoking people have become that the tobacco companies look less bad by comparison. They were being defended as the lesser of 2 evils.

[@Wawagirl17]

Plus, the commentary for that episode gave us one of the funniest fucking lines about Rob Reiner ever. "Also it just seemed SUPER ridiculous for a man that weighs 600 pounds to be going around worrying about his health from someone else's cigarette smoke. I mean, there's no doubt that dude was gonna die of a coronary disease well before someone's secondhand smoke was."

[@mr.stoneface7699]

Many, many years ago I attempted a college ethics class. The teacher was... biased. Up her own ass. Enjoying her sense of righteousness. One of the projects we had was essentially choosing and reviewing a controversial movie and talking about the ethical implications of the message of said movie. The movie came from a list she drew up. She brought up this very movie, but I guess heard it as "Thank you for NOT Smoking" instead of the actual title. I piped up and corrected her, and when she heard the title, she promptly crossed it off her list. I still think about that moment as the moment when I realized her hypocrisy and sheer capacity for bullshit. She essentially (mis)heard the title and thought it was about something she agreed with, and then when she heard it wasn't, immediately changed her mind. To me, this says quite clearly that she, and I can only imagine there are others like her, doesn't care too much about the content or message of a movie, as long as its stance agrees with hers. If I'd seen the movie beforehand and actually knew what its message was, I would have defended it. If I had more of a spine, I would have reviewed this awesome movie regardless of what she thought of it. It's the kind of movie that, now more than ever, needs to be seen and talked about. Because "politically correct" sometimes isn't actually correct.

[@servoaugusta513]

Meh,maybe she thought it was merely a propaganda film by the tobacco industry? I mean there's controversial films and there's just blatant propaganda such as let's say "birth of a nation".Big tobacco surprising still make propaganda videos that's only intention is too spread misinformation about their product in the places that don't have laws making them disclose what the consequence of their product are. Hell look at how some of them do business with Indonesia where they actively promote tobacco as "medicine" or actively push it on kids. I mean it's one thing to fight for the right of a legal adult to choose to smoke knowing the health risks but it's another thing all together to actively lie to your consumers and kids about the effects of your product. This movie seems to me have been glorifying the lying of industries do to sell their deadly product and in my mind the protagonist being" likeable" doesn't really make his actions and lies any less deplorable than if he was a mustache twirling classical bad guy.Though this is only my impression from what Dough showed in the video so I'll have to watch whole movie to get a completely accurate picture of it.

[@servoaugusta513]

What if you knew the man was a murdering pedophile and couldn't prove it in the court of law but had the means to murder him without getting caught? Peddling cancer sticks are in my mind a dark area especially when you're trying to convince people your product won't have any negative effects on them. It's fraud and if you don't think so please the following situation; a man is selling lemonade with poison in it and says his lemonade is perfectly fine to his costumes. Should that man not be punished?

[@servoaugusta513]

Because there's a consequence to the seller if he doesn't tell his costumer about the poison. Hey I'm all for legalizing drugs for consenting adults but in my mi d it's the responsibility of the seller to divulge all the nessary information of his product to his consumers.

[@TheFlipsta97]

Leroy Harold Oh I absolutely agree. With current education it's nigh on impossible to get through life without knowing the risks of something like smoking. What were we arguing about again? :P

[@servoaugusta513]

I guess mostly moral relativism. Which I found to be true myself. How do measure people who do terrible things for they think is the better world?

[@evanbohn]

THANK YOU N.C.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been trying to explain to people for years that the movie has next to nothing to do with smoking and is actually an endorsement of the lobbyist industry!!!! THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@underthetrees4780]

I feel like it's really anti-nanny State, warning of the growing power of government and the industry it produces (lobbyists, media, etc).

[@MrTombombodil]

"You gotta crush the leaves against the ice, it releases the menthol. You know who taught me that?" "Um, no sir." "Fidel Castro."

[@TheStoneSpiral]

Being allowed to make choices is good.. but we can't fool ourselves. Not all choices are equal. And not all choices made by the public are done with enough education or information on the consequences. Lies in media don't make the choice to smoke (or anything else we known to be bad for us) a good one by virtue of how well the media argues. I'm all for freedom, but I'm also in favor of fair boundaries. Companies that knowingly sell something that has an understood negative effect on your health or life shouldn't be allowed to down play, ignore or lie about those effects. And we're letting them do that right now, giving more value to money than human life or well being. I get it, it's smart and interesting and unusual. But a the end of the day, that kind of twisting of reality is still intentionally harmful no matter how you slice it. And I just can't respect or allow it without speaking, voting or working against it.

[@ZerogunRivale]

+TheStoneSpiral This is nonsense. We live in an age where information is prevalent and you can research whatever you want, where anti-smoking ads air all of the time, where schools preach all the time that smoking is bad, and we are surrounded by people that remind us that smoking is bad. On top of that, much of this is the role of parents, anyway. Don't get me wrong, I don't smoke and never want to see any of my friends or loved ones smoke, but we live in an age where information, debates, so on and so forth are everywhere. If we took your point of view and ran with it the level of justification for what I like to call totalitarian stupidity would skyrocket. "McDonalds is unhealthy? We need to do something!" I'm sorry, but if you don't know that McDonalds isn't healthy by the time you are an adult, that's NOT on the company. "Watching too much TV is bad, so all TVs must now have timers that shut them off after three hours." You give the devil an inch, he'll take a mile. Freedom IMPLIES the possibility failure. There is no freedom without room for failure. And the fact of the matter is that with freedom comes the necessity of responsibility and freedom to fail. There is no other kind of freedom on this earth. Not to mention, the more you enforce a nanny state on people, the lazier they get. When more medical-based laws get passed, charity drops. When the social security act was passed, savings dropped dramatically. The more power was given to the board of ed and the longer the amount of years one had to spend in school (we didn't always have the ludicrous 12 grade system), the more parents decided things were the school's job to teach (such as reading), the less they believed they were responsible. The more you nanny people, the more people become accustomed to being taken care of, and the more they decide not to take responsibility for their own actions or to personally help others.

[@TheStoneSpiral]

ZerogunRivale We're also in a world where there are people who honestly think vaccines cause autism, climate change isn't real, demons cause mental illness and creation is how the universe was made. So.. yeah, still a lot of ignorance rolling around to even suggest all choices are equal. I'm not calling a totalitarian regime or 'nanny state', no matter what you want to suggest. But humans on average, by their nature, make shitty decisions when all bets are off and the restrictions are down. What I would like a requirement for businesses to be frank about their product. Why do they fight so much against cancer warnings? Because when people are faced with the reality of the choice to smoke, they don't smoke as much and don't pick up the habit as often. Because informed decision making is smarter than running around willy nilly in a pseudo anarchist state of mind. If you want real choice, real freedom, you're going to have to also support putting all the correct information on the box/tag/label. Real free of choice comes with informed decision making, anything less relies on false advertising and childish thinking.

[@ZerogunRivale]

You simply put, have no idea what freedom is and don't realize how far down the concept of totalitarian ideas you are. Real freedom is not forcing people to put the correct information on the box. Freedom requires personal responsibility. Anything other than that is not real freedom. The idea that people need to have some kind of "perfect information" doesn't negate the fact with freedom comes danger and comes the responsibility to educate oneself. Not to mention, your logic doesn't work. If you want to argue you believe in limited freedom, fine. But if you're going to start using the term "real freedom" you better start defining words. Freedom by definition is the state in which one is allowed to do what they choose. No where in there is some disclaimer that says, "unless they are uneducated". As for your first paragraph, so what? Those people have a RIGHT to believe what they want, regardless of whether or not you think they're wrong or right. In fact, you're being ridiculous considering for most people, the facts are much more complex than the pigeon hole you shove them into. Some people believe God created the earth? Some believe he did it over a long period of time, some people believe in Intelligent Design, and some people believe (as strange as it may sound to you) in a strict six day creation story. So what? What right do you have to force them to believe what you want them to, and what does any of that have to do with people having the right to choose? Some people believe the supernatural can effect us, even scientifically? Guess what, it's people's right, and as a Christian myself, it's my right to believe what I choose to, whether you consider that makes me eligible for free choice or not. The same goes for the rest of the basis of your argument. Your idea is basically, "Hey, if people don't believe in the set beliefs that I believe are right, then the world shouldn't be allowed to choose!" What is "free" about that basis in thought to begin with? Again, it's either you admit you believe a portion of society should be controlled (ie. forced to divulge information, etc.) or people should be free. Don't try to throw out terms like "real freedom" without defining how in the world people not living up to what you believe are the ultimate standards of society somehow equates to freedom being the need for force to "educate" them to your liking.

[@TheStoneSpiral]

ZerogunRivale Ugh, what are you a libertarian? You're so in love with the idea of balls to the wall freedom you don't realize that moderation and middle roads are the key to our survival. I am in favor of people making their own choices, but how much of it is a real choice if they don't have all the information? Say you have a choice between A and B, is it real freedom if you're not told about C, or if you're not told that A will eventually give you ball cancer? You go ahead, espouse your 'anything goes' ideals, when you grow up, you'll realize it's not that simple.

[@ZerogunRivale]

TheStoneSpiral Yes, I am a libertarian. And your A, B, C choice isn't a logical argument. What is A, B, and C? What are we talking about here? Are A, B, and C supposed to be different kinds of foods, different kinds of recreational drugs, or what? Unless you plant specifics, the example doesn't work. If they're foods, then it is my responsibility to understand what i'm eating. If they're drugs, then it's my responsibility to know what they might be doing to me. Considering we live in an ultra-safe society where people are always telling you what is and isn't good for you, there is even more freedom to be free in our day and age because information is so prevalent and easy to come by. ***** You're misunderstanding my argument and I suggest a look at Murray Rothbard's "The Ethics of Liberty". Liberty is related to natural rights. Once you violate someone else's personal rights, then you are violating their liberty. You said this and it fits in perfectly with the concept of liberty and natural rights. I never said that "real freedom" was the freedom to infringe on someone else's rights. NOWHERE in my above posts did I say that. I merely said that people have the freedom to choose. Once you violate someone else's rights, you are violating their freedom. That does not contradict the concept of "real freedom". In fact, it's perfectly in line with it. What you define as "limited freedom" is "real freedom". Your point contradicts none of my earlier points philosophically. In short, violating someone's else's freedom doesn't equate to "limited freedom", it equates to a defense of freedom because you're arguing for someone else's rights. (I understand I may not have worded myself properly, so hopefully I've come across well enough) To cover your examples, let's go with the second one first since it's easier. When you behead someone, you are violating their freedom/natural rights, therefore, you should be punished for doing so. That's perfectly in line with freedom. Again, I never made the argument for people purging each other in my earlier posts. In fact, i'm not sure how my argument against people being nannied somehow equates with my somehow arguing for people having a right to murder. Murder is anti-liberty because it violates someone else's rights. Your first example with the vaccination is pretty much in the same boat. If you are carrying a disease that is KNOWN to kill people, then by law, you should have to vaccinate in that case. If you don't, then you are a murderer, and a violator of people's freedoms, and thus, anti-freedom. Again, I never argued that "real freedom" was the freedom to violate someone else's rights. Also, it should be noted that blanket statements never work and everything should be evaluated on a specific basis. McDonalds can cause you bodily harm? It is you, the individual, who are shelling out money for that food. No one is forcing you. Therefore it is YOUR responsibility to educate yourself on whether or not it's healthy. Someone has contracted some kind of airborne disease that can kill people? Then for them to be in public is the same as being a murderer and something needs to be done about them. Again, everything needs to be evaluated situation by situation according to concept of rights.

[@SasuraRdm]

What do you think about NightCrawler then ? I think it was kind of in the same vein, just more cynical about it. And it also didn't paint the main character as a "good" really in any way, simply as a determined and effective guy. It amazes me that they were able to make him so relatable while making him into such a psycho.

[@emilyscinema9417]

Yeah! I'm glad someone mentioned that

[@metaloverload7374]

Yann G Nightcrawler wasn't about freedom. It was about capitalism plain and simple.

[@Aster_Risk]

This was a fantastic analysis. I really appreciate seeing more videos like this from Nostalgia Critic. I'm going to watch this movie again.

[@EZ-IZZY1995]

Really? I thought the alternate ending was very thought provoking. Despite his speeches about freedom to choose, he is still a loving father, who, despite him believing that everyone should have a choice, knows the consequences of some choices and wants to protect his son from said consequences.

[@GinKoSenseiorKuro]

RR3ason Music that kinda already expressed in theovie where he says he won't allow his son to smoke until he's 18

[@Xarazel]

well not really, because it would make him a huge hypocrite. and even if it would be the right thing to do as a parent, nobody wants to root for a hypocrite

[@JoelCarli]

Xarazel I think the point is moot. There's nothing wrong with making a character a hypocrite. In my opinion it would flesh out the character even more and make the audience question even more whether their opinion on him is justified anymore.

[@lizzienovigot]

Mr. Johnson & The Juice Crew yeah exactly. It shows that people are hypocrite and illogical. Which is natural for people. It doesn’t ruin the message, it adds to it.

[@Ninja-Alinja]

Works perfectly fine within the movie, because he is still a kid. And kids are not supposed to smoke. Ever. Same with alcohol. I expect and look forward to toast my son’s 18th birthday with some sort of alcoholic beverage, but I would smack that shit out of his hands when he’s 12!

[@OMGYasuke]

RACHEL! RACHEL! RACHEL! RACHEL!!!!!!!! RACHEL!!!

[@TiciTotyTony]

Heads you live Tails you die *flips coin* Lucky you *flips again* to bad about your driver though.

[@OMGYasuke]

Tici Toty Tony lol.

[@drby0788]

Harvey dent.....can we trust him?

[@boglenight1551]

Lana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAAAAAA!!! Heh heh. Danger Zooooone

[@tippybooch]

This was a thousand times better than the Mad Max review.

[@TheSherlockedAvatar]

+Tom Lacey This wasn't a review, it was one of his editorials, Its different. And his Mad Max review, while I believe was a bit overexcessive on jokes and reenactments then analysis, I thought was an ambitious and well made video so I still give him props. Let the guy make what he wants, his newer style is a lot of fun in my opinion.

[@alexmansfield3268]

+Iron McMuffin Doug loved this movie and so did most of the fans and viewers, so tell me does it really suck if most of everyone loves it. It may suck to you, but that is far from fact since billions of people think differently.

[@juanchocorleone]

Totally :D

[@bryancornejo3672]

+Tom Lacey i enjoyed both.

[@alexmansfield3268]

You know what, I ain't gonna bother you about it considering your not being an ass about it and actually acting like a human being. So I'm not gonna get into it

[@cumbrap]

1:58 That's the dad from Jurassic Park 3 right? And the main character is Harvey Dent from The Dark Knight, right?

[@StokaXXL]

And Harvey banged Rachel from Batman Begins while Commissioner Gordon was his boss... :)

[@donaldtrumpling2016]

Yes it is. Cuse I've seen Jurassic Park 3 like, 10 times

[@deathslayer4600]

HERETIC

[@therudestofclouds2007]

DigbyTheGoat cave Johnson is here too COMBUSTABLE LEMONS.

[@StormsandSaugeye]

He was also in ER during the first few seasons as Dr. Morgan-stern

[@Blackeye1987]

funny how it shows both sides.. and the actor is going to act as two face in batman...

[@DeRockMedia]

I dont smoke (nor have yet to see this film although been meaning to).. but I've never had a problem with people smoking, this film seems right up my alley.

[@DeRockMedia]

+Derek Kunze plus I have a friend who doesnt smoke but his brother does...and my friend will complain and exaggerate cough whenever he does, sometimes non smokers are really annoying about it.

[@ricardoquezada108]

+Derek Kunze Same here. I have no problem with smoking as I believe in freedom of choice.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

+Ricardo Quezada My problem with smoking is that smokers don't give others that freedom of choice by the very nature of the way they take the drug. I don't want to breath tobacco smoke. I don't want to smell tobacco smoke. But if I'm stuck near a smoker I no longer have that choice.

[@stephenhall9701]

My grandmother nearly lost her foot to smoking. Thankfully she quit so she gets to keep her foot

[@ObsidiusFan]

+Derek Kunze I never smoked nor I plan on doing so but I always had a problem with my friends or family members who smoked. After this movie, my whole opinion changed. So if you don't have a problem, watch it and make that opinion even stronger. Tolerance is always important.

[@Sonichero151]

Thank you for Smoking: The Nuka-World of Movies

[@waltersimeon387]

I want to understand that but I haven't received the dlc yet.

[@alienonlsd3209]

Nuka world is a place of well generally it's a place that by definition is not healthy for you but you have The Choice to go there at least that's what I'm guessing he means

[@waltersimeon387]

ALIEN On LSD Ah.

[@alienonlsd3209]

I could be totally wrong of course

[@waltersimeon387]

ALIEN On LSD Fair enough.

[@yaboytroy357]

aaron eckhart might be the most underrated actor out there

[@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany]

It's funny that you mention that nobody ever smokes on-screen in the film, Critic, because just how much Naylor smokes is what saves his life when he's attacked with nicotine patches. It's also quite amusing and amazingly subtle: nobody smokes because they know how bad it is. If you're smart, you would never smoke.

[@SavvyScribblin]

Interesting editorial. I'd heard of this movie in passing but was never really interested in it until now. I'll definitely have to give it a watch.

[@ilikestuff374]

I tried a cigarette once, it was the most disgusting and revolting thing I've ever tried, I'll never do it again. I have no idea why people do it, it baffles me.

[@videogamebomer]

because not everyone is you

[@ilikestuff374]

videogamebomer Well duh.

[@Elkaade]

+I like stuff For the same reason you eat chocolate, it can chill your ass out.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

+Legend_Warp But you don't have to force yourself to like chocolate.

[@Elkaade]

YumLemmingKebabs IT's not the item itself, or lets call it material that lacks value, its the person's perspective on it that grants it no value, a person that gets used to cig while stressed will use it as a method to escape a stressful event/situation. A person who didnt need cig to do that in the first place, will see no value in it at all. But even taht person could get used to it, if he gets rid of his bias towards it, lets say he ignores that its unhealthy, and begins to do cig once every morning to start his day, chilling at his table doing nothing just smoking it, it would eventually become a strong habit he requires to start his day, same thing people do with coffe and other materials. What we really miss isnt the material itself but the "DOING". We want to feel like we actually do something useful, its quite rare that a person actually misses the taste of chocolate or so, its more like you are reminded of that you msis it, you could go on livign without it if you werent reminded of it by something. :F

[@sirlink9611]

One of my favorite movies of all time. Such an underrated film

[@TheJordanWS]

I remember seeing my mom watching this film on TV, years back... Crazy to think about it as "The Most Shocking Film in Years" but I totally see where you're coming from

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

Nostalgia Critic didn't really do this great film justice. I grew up in North Carolina and we actually took a school field trip to the RJ Reynolds plant in Winston-Salem. Let that sink in. A SCHOOL FIELD TRIP to a TOBACCO PLANT. But this dude in the movie, Nick Naylor, was exactly like the dude that ran the field trip. Never apologizing for our shying away from the truth of his product and, for better or worse, it was his enthusiasm for tobacco that partially got me to lighten up on smoking and smokers. Probably helped convince me too start smoking too, but I didn't start till I was 23 so I was definitely not underage like most smokers who start as teens. But I think that choice is the most important part of democracy and freedom and that's why I'm for legalizing most drugs. If you don't have the freedom to do to your own body as you wish, then in my mind, you're not truly free.

[@jamesbond9975]

+Adrian Luca Well congrats. You Just exercised your right to be a douchebag.

[@CrapeCraft]

You want to legalize drugs? I agree with weed. But shit like meth, that's just meant to steal money and destroy your life. And so is crack.

[@jamesbond9975]

+CaptainCrape More so than alcohol. whats destroyed more lives? Meth, crack or alcohol? What steals more money? Drugs or material possessions?

[@CrapeCraft]

James Bond I've never heard of a drunk home invader. I have heard of a billion stories where crack and meth addicts invade homes though. If you want to see how bad drugs are, go to Detroit, go to northern Mexico, go to the hospital. Drugs have destroyed way more lives.

[@jamesbond9975]

CaptainCrape Really? Prehaps you should do an internet search in the age of informatin. Have you heard of any stories of drunk drivers and the deaths they have caused or the familes they broken up or had broken because of it? How about just plain old poverty? Has that caused more home invasions? How about just the fact that there are just some people who just don't give a fuck?

[@wordekable]

If anyone is looking for shocking movies I highly recommend Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal! It's really good!

[@fenster666]

+wordekable Hell fucking yeah, that has to be one of the creepiest performances I have ever seen, Gyllenhaal is so freaking good in that movie.

[@GamezGamer]

+wordekable not a very shocking movie though, but very awesome.

[@wordekable]

NettonickoLP It was shocking to me. I don't want to tell any spoilers but his actions were higly morally concerning and for me it counts as shocking.

[@bakujonhy1025]

+wordekable Well of course they were, he's a sociopath

[@rlrnilecroc]

+wordekable Or read a book.

[@kaizov2940]

Educate, don't ban.

[@dwoodstwin]

Yeah, like heroin or meth. Educate don't ban. Right?

[@bag-o-bags]

@@dwoodstwin Actually? Yes. I'm against drug bans. I'm against punishing people unequally because they have more addictive tendencies than others. This is what happens with drug bans. The most compassionate thing we can do is to educate young people about the health detriments to drugs as a fair warning. No nanny state.

[@mr.carmine5930]

I agree strongly with your name. 🙌🏼

[@Danimally]

Yes, like selling my friends organs.

[@mobychoc]

In theory

[@Raichupacabra]

Legitimately one of my favorite movies ever. Thanks for reviewing this, Doug. It's really surprising to see a review for a movie that's about 10 years old, but hit all the right points in such a clever way.

[@underthetrees4780]

"The rest of you, bang your heads against your desks until something productive comes out!"

[@AlyxxTheRat]

I loved Thank You For Smoking. It really put focus on how media spins everything. It's not about news or journalism, it's about lobbyism and that's what I love about the movie.

[@irrefutablematt]

+Alexandria “Alyxx” Thorne totally agree... its a perfect example of media framing and public relations

[@Sir_Crow]

However, smoking is terrible. As someone with asthma, it can literally kill me for someone smoking, I have no say in the matter. If nobody smoked, not only will the death rate go down, but it would help me to go to places that I cannot go to without holding my breath. But people will always smoke, and there will be people who are stubborn. And that's life, I simply have no say in how my life ends.

[@AlyxxTheRat]

TheMasterchiefan Yeah but the point is the movie could be about anything. It just uses smoking as an example. It's not really about smoking at all, just about lobbyism, but smoking is a really good example since it's easily one of the hardest things to sell to people or even defend.

[@smitty3624]

Hot damn, a movie that actually promotes freedom of choice over "your rights end where my feelings begin." I gotta see this movie, god damn it.

[@charlietriestocheer6795]

Hope you have seen it by now. It is brilliant

[@ShubhamBhushanCC]

Well i am just happy if idiots have the choice to Kill themselves.

[@Daniela-pr7rz]

@@ShubhamBhushanCC "Thank you for taking the vaccine"

[@Necrobadger]

>Cheese >Food that's bad for you Gonna have to choose one, because they don't exist in the same space.

[@favorx183]

Its funny because even this all those side effects on cigarettes that pretty much tells you "this will kill you". They are still selling pretty well.

[@mrwindupbird101]

Same with most foods, from excessively fatty meats injected with more hormones than a WWE wrestler and veggies which might have who knows what sprayed all over them, just about everything is bad for you. Will people stop doing those things? Probably not. Especially those shock campaigns they do, people aren't idiots. They know it's bad, but they don't care and trying to guilt them might only make them want it more. Like when you tell a kid no, you're guaranteeing that they'll probably do it anyway.

[@Muhbautz]

@@mrwindupbird101 but one of the problems talked about in this movie is how companies manipulate you to buy these products that are bad for you. You can eat healthy and less fatty, but companies like McDonald for example make their food extra fatty and juiced up with synthetic shit that makes it taste good so that you buy it. Same with cigarettes, they put nicotine in there to make you addicted to them, they sell flavored cigarettes to make it enjoyable for people who got a more sweet taste like women or teenagers, they advertise and buy product placements, bribe politicians, influence regulations etc. The problem is not that people are dumb or want their free choice to smoke and do things that are unhealthy, the problem is that firms deliberately do everything to make you buy their product no matter how harmful it is just for profit.

[@ChrissAtrocious]

@@Muhbautz uh.. you know tobacco has nicotine in it naturally right? You made me think for a moment about the synthetic stuff in fast food but I am not sure anymore if your argoument is valid. Xd

[@Daniela-pr7rz]

@@Muhbautz Now do the vaccines.

[@ssdaaFaf2]

I've never even heard of this movie, now i'm' gonna go watch it.

[@Shadowman4710]

+Darth Sibistine It's pretty good. It was on cable a number of years ago.

[@snesguy9176]

+Darth Sibistine Watched it when it first came out. It was pretty good. Sadly I was a smoker at the time and I remember having to stop the movie 3 times to go smoke, because of the constant talk of smoking.

[@MrX626]

+Snes Guy sounds like the intro song to the movie

[@miniman649]

I personally don't mind smokers and I don't harrass them for smoking. If I ever got a son, he would be free to smoke if he desired to do so, but I would stop supporting him financially outside food, water, education and clothes on his back. No money from me that will go to his smoking habits. He can earn his own money if he wants to waste it on smoking. That is the responsibility that comes with making a choice. No choice is without consequences or backlash.

[@ChrissAtrocious]

Wouldn't that just hinder him on his freedom of choice? Wouldn't it be more fair if you waited for him to be old enough to get a job? If he's too young to get hired he's pretty much dependent on your money. But when he will be old enough to get hired it's his choice if he wants to earn enought to afford cigarettes or not. (Of course it also depends on many other things like the economy and his degree for example. But I think you get my point.)

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

You sound like an Asshole

[@miniman649]

@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 why? As said, I won't forbid it, but I won't support it either. That is not being an asshole. Not like I will throw him on the street or not feed or cloth him, I just won't give him money for luxury that is wasted on smokes.

[@theitfactorjameswheezer2852]

@@miniman649 lol that condescending attitude towards your son because he smokes is prime asshole behavior. lol

[@miniman649]

@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 what condescending attitude? I literally said he is free to do as he wants, but if he wants to waste money on smoking, he should learn to earn his own cash. That is an important life-lesson. Also quite frankly, your mindset of 'people deserve free money to waste on smokes' is entitled as all hell.

[@cjhs2006]

Did I Just See Dick Speight Jr.?

[@rexlupis]

I simply loved "Thank You For Smoking," precisely because of the moral ambiguities it portrays so expertly. There is no straw-man constructions of any view-point, and everything is handled so maturely one would think it undermines the film's comedic presence. Somehow, it not only doesn't, but in being all-too realistic it actually makes it more humorous. Not enough good things can be said about the cast and the performances they brought to the film... Which is why I'm surprised you didn't say more about any of them... I can only assume you're preoccupied with... other things. *insert ominous laughter here*

[@Dilbert1999]

The problem with the freedom of choice argument for smoking is that it implies that smoking only does damage to the individual, but with things like second-hand smoke, that's clearly not true.

[@rickyray2794]

Anti Smoking bullshit has gotten to you I see, second hand smoke give me a break.

[@fiona9891]

+Ricky Ray "You're telling me about things that don't agree with my opinions. Hah, silly brainwashed idiot."

[@rickyray2794]

Not really, believe what you want. There really is no proof that 2nd hand does ANY damage though, it's just the new weak hypochondriac attitude too many people have these days

[@fungusonus]

that’s why, at least in wisconsin where i live, it is illegal to smoke in a public place

[@Avatarodin]

Am I the only one that think William H. Macy looks like Brain from Pinky and the Brain?

[@zaccds]

I remember this movie getting a lot of praise when it came out (and it was well deserved as it's a great movie) Aaron Eckheart's performance is one of the best.

[@alexiaNBC]

Actually, South Park did a similar take on this issue in the episode "Butt Out." The Tobacco companies there know of the risks of smoking but try to promote it as a choice for the consumer to make on their own rather than force it on them. The anti-Tobacco companies however are more insidious because they push so hard with dirty tricks and propaganda aimed at showing how bad smoking is yet silence people who prefer to smoke based on choice. Plus the character of Rob Reiner in South Park and Senator Finistirre in TYFS are similar since they promote obesity (Rob is always eating in the episode and the Senator is from Vermont and constantly advertises the Cheese industry)

[@makinapacal]

I guess you don't know the history of Tobacco companies and their efforts to silence their own Scientists, along with the bold-faced way that they have lied, falsified and distorted and have resorted to lying propaganda. They are right now deliberately lying and spreading lies in the third world in order to sell their product. In the past Tobacco companies have supressed their own knowledge of the dangers of smoking, along with spreading lying propaganda. Tobacco companies in the past made it clear that they wanted uniformed, ignorant consumers who would purchase their drug and are looking for a similar market in the third world.As for choice you do realize that smoking is addictive so that after the choice it is less of a choice. Tobacco companies are drug pushers, pushing a dangerous drug for profit.

[@farkbett699]

@@makinapacal its your choice to smoke in the first place

[@makinapacal]

Ah so the fact that Tobacco companies, have lied, supressed evidence discovered by their own Scientists about the effects of tobacco smoking, and have created campaigns deliberately targeting teenagers is irrelevant. And of course it is irrelevant that they are pushing a drug that is dangerous to your health, and one that is highly addictive and once your addicted the habit is hard to break. So all that is irrelevant. Gotcha!! I suppose you won't have a problem selling crack to 13 year olds. After all it their choice. (I note here that most smokers start before they are legal adults.) The bottom line is that tobacco are drug pushers pushing a dangerous drug, which they know is harmful and deadly. That makes them morally corrupt.

[@RealEnerjak]

"We sell cigarettes. They're cool, available and addictive. The Job is almost done for us." What a great line.

[@underthetrees4780]

So many great lines in this film, especially from VR.

[@natkatmac]

I'm all for choice of the smoker to make an informed (if harmful) decision about themselves. I just hate those who ramble on about being "oppressed" because of how many smoke-free places there are nowadays.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

I agree dude, and I love that there’s more smoke free areas

[@Humanresouces]

Just because there are so many smoke-free places in the world doesn't mean you have no right in your own home.

[@brucenadeau2172]

i know that there need to be some places people cannot smoke but east lansing has gone to far not being able to smoke any place out doors is for the birds not even in your back yard

[@jscoutfly801]

Where's batman in all of this?

[@Targisvear]

Or Spiderman?

[@Johnnywilsonforever]

what is reality?

[@Tuckerscreator]

Batman can't save you from smoking. He can only punch you.

[@tareklegrand7747]

batman is obviously the biggest smoker in gotham where did you think his cancer voice came from ?

[@oliverdelica2289]

Tarek Legrand hah😂👌

[@TimSlee1]

Not to mention, the education system is mostly flawed and we are made to learn a lot of things that we don't even have to learn for our own benefits. Even in high school you are still made to learn OP English in most western countries just to get into UNI or college and it's stupidly hard and unnecessary for most. I mean, why would I need to understand poetic devices if I wanted to become an Engineer, an architect, a scientist etc.?

[@BlueMoonSamurai]

Tim Slee Also the fact that students should figure out where they want to go and what they should major in at such a young age (and usually without a lot of knowledge of college).

[@TimSlee1]

BlueMoonSamurai99 Well yeah. That is true but you must also understand that the education system makes big business women/men a lot of money. There is the department for English, history, science etc. A lot of that stuff could be useless to students who truly know what they want to do if what they want to do does not involve some of/all of the above. Today, a women was trying to talk "Inspiration" into us by shouting into the microphone and it got me thinking a bit. She stressed about the high suicide rate but the thing is, speaking "Inspiration" into people and forcing them to go with a flow that they are struggling to go with (in this instance the education system) is NOT going to make those with suicidal tendencies any less suicidal. Making the curriculum more open and less forced will ease stress and make the suicide rate of teenagers less.

[@ryanhowe1135]

@Tim Slee high school english class is pointless

[@masterxehanort3]

I'd argue it shouldn't be. Art feeds the soul, it is something that elevates you as a human being, something that makes you wiser, something the state has an obligation to give to its future citizens. Because schools do not view making workers, or architects , or eingineers as their first priority, they see creating intelligent and wise citizens as their first priority. But, on the other hand, the way it is taught is often boring and counterproductive, and doesn't manage to achieve this due to the bad methods used.

[@TimSlee1]

masterxehanort3 Most of your points are understandable. I myself want to be an architect but I do not think everyone should be forced to learn art. Yes, they should be encouraged with enthusiasm, but not forced. The CEO of McLaren stated in a quote after being asked if it's important to engage more with young students "..Everyone should play a part in engineering." He should have instead said "Everyone should be *encouraged* to play a part in engineering."

[@ColoniaContraAtaca]

ooh i love this movie XD

[@josemarques2304]

+ColoniaContraAtaca Sr.Wilson?Você aqui?Não sabia que você assistia o Nostalgia Critic mas agora que eu to pensando vocês até que são parecidos kk

[@Lucas-no7gp]

***** Sr.sr Wilson, vc aqui? Uahdjsjhd

[@paradoxacres1063]

Eh, _Thank You for Smoking_ is *not* shocking, as far as I'm concerned. It's just _morally grey_. That's a good thing, of course, and something I want more of (despite knowing how hard it is to pull off), but..I wouldn't call it "shocking". It's smart. It's sharp. It's brutal. Not shocking, though.

[@paradoxacres1063]

***** Hmm no..that's called taking *risks*. Not necessarily "shocking". Personally, I see all of that (the stuff you said about going against the norm) as simply..doing new things and going certain places other movies are hesitant of going. I'd call it _brave_. It's a movie taking risks. (Something that most movies should try to attempt but won't cos it takes a lot of effort & skill to pull off) I mean, Marvel's _The Avengers_ was a huge risk (at the time) and was incredibly brave to do what it did. You wouldn't call _that_ movie "shocking", would you?

[@paradoxacres1063]

***** Disagreed. _Game of Thrones_ burning a little girl alive is "shocking". What you're talking about is "surprising". Hollywood taking risks can't be "shocking" as that's what they should be doing. It's more a..welcome surprise. It's brave and is closer to the "truth" of reality (that the world is not Black & White, it's shades of Grey), and..nowhere near as uncomfortable to watch as it is when you're watching something that's truly "shocking". "Something out of the ordinary" is surprising. "Shocking" is when you shove something that's _taboo_ in the audience's face. That's how I see it, at least.

[@paradoxacres1063]

***** Again: a little girl got burned alive on the _Game of Thrones_ tv show. A very *popular* tv show. "PC culture", indeed.

[@imnotmozart2715]

+Paradox Acres Game of Thrones actually does shock some people, but for surprisingly lesser reasons.The Mary Sue wrote an entire article declaring that it will no longer promote or write recaps of the show on the basis that one of their favorite characters got raped. They accused the show of having too many rape scenes and tried to frame their offended sensibilities as a moral stance that needed to be taken.There are tons of people who think Game of Thrones is sexist for having terrible things happening to the female characters. I think there definitely is a PC culture that finds Game of Thrones shocking, but it's (thankfully) not strong enough to convince HBO to pull the show. The real problem with culture and political correctness is that we're willing to entertain, humor, and occasionally validate these opinions without calling them out on it or questioning them as thoroughly as we should. We're willing to mock ideologies that are just absurd, but we mostly murmur quietly when political correctness gets involved.There are various reasons for this, but I think one of the biggest ones is that we all kind of agree with political correctness on some level of severity. We all want to be kind to people and treat the traditionally belittled, persecuted, and malcontent in society with a little bit of sympathy; so we're willing to put up with the irritating extremes of an ideology who's basic platform is doing exactly that, even when they focus most of their attention on the cosmetic issues of society rather than the underlying and ingrained ones. We don't want to get on their bad side because we associate that with becoming the very bigots we want to oppose.I'm sorry for the long winded rant. I don't have any assumptions about your political beliefs, I just felt the need to write this all down because I didn't know how to end this comment and I felt like I was on a roll here.

[@Locadel2003]

I always think this movie a very brilliant underrated comedy movie. Maybe one of the finest movies of the 2000s

[@ivain8704]

oh and one more thing before I leave this comment section. I have absolutely no problem with people smoking, except for this: Smoking anywhere outside your house (assuming no people or animals are in there with you, and it doesnt leave your house) takes the choice away from other people whether to smoke or not, since their smoke moves away and gets into other people's lungs, people that don't want it there. Even vaping still has nicotine in it, and breathing in someone's vape will still get that nicotine in your body (granted its a lot less filled with extra crap, but nicotine itself isnt healthy either). If someone invents a way to smoke that does not affect anyone but yourself then makes that the only way its allowed to be done, I will have no problem at all with smokers anywhere, as long as they give their kids the choice still. This is why I have a problem with smoking but not with high-fat fastfood. I've probably smoked several packs of cigarettes just by having to walk through other people's smoke, sitting in a room where someone starts to smoke before I notice them doing so, etc etc. Yet I've never gotten fat, obese OR gotten a heartattack from walking by someone eating an XL big mac.

[@gregorywalpole8442]

+IvaintheMCbuilder Yeah, the cheese analogy kind of falls flat at that point. The particulates in secondhand smoke make it quite harmful to breathe. On the other hand, secondhand cheese can be unpleasant, but doesn't have nearly the same kind of detrimental long-term effects on peoples' health: It's only deadly when it's silent.

[@ivain8704]

true enough :p. and unlike nicotine, cheese isn't officially addictive (im sure there's people addicted to it somewhere, or products containing cheese, but its not a pattern). Btw, people like the main character of the movie are the reason why products containing physically addictive substances are even legal still. Though I shouldn't talk too much on that, living in a country that is famous for its drugs-tourism (though only for 1 city, really. Which is our capital though).

[@bleflar9183]

Ciggaretes are only legal drug. And they ARE drug. They fit in every requiremt. And i once got a serious lung sickness after some dude smoked right to my face when i was taking breath. And i had it for entire year. I skipped entire 5th grade becouse of it.

[@jakepilcher8500]

I was looking for someone to make this point, but the same still applies for junk food. If you eat an unhealthy diet and have a heart attack or stroke, then everyone's tax dollars (at least here in Australia) contribute to your healthcare. I'm not saying whether it is right or wrong but essentially others are made to pay for the poor decisions of others (assuming they are aware of the harmful effects of the food). It also doesn't take into account the animal that has to be killed, the worker who has to kill that animal (PTSD is common in slaughterhouse workers) etc. Very few human actions exist in a vacuum. There are always impacts on third parties and I think it's important that people are considerate of these to create a society that functions well.

[@bleflar9183]

Its just like you said that if car hits tree instead of you its no difference becouse without oxygen from that tree you may suffocate.

[@Achillez098]

As I am watching this video, I am eating fried chicken and french fries. However, an hour ago, I was working out super hard at the gym. During this entire week, I have eaten nothing but healthy, nutritious food. This is my average week, the whole week I am working and eating healthily, but I allow myself 1 day of enjoyment (if you saw me in person, you would say I look pretty darn fit). Fast food, like smoking, may not be good for you. But I believe a good society is not one with nothing but rules and restrictions (we should not ban fast food or smoking). Instead, a good society should be one with an abundance of education, and personal choice. We should educate our children and citizens about what a good, healthy lifestyle is. And then, set them off on their path, and give them the freedom to choose what they want to eat, and what they want to do. The perfect society (one without bad things like fast food or smoking), cannot be achieved and will never be accepted by the people. But if we can provide our citizens with the knowledge of what a healthy life is, and give them the freedom to pursue what they wish, then that, in my opinion, would be a good society.

[@Snarfindorf]

They're banning 10 pack of cigarettes and menthols in the UK. That'll sure quit people from smoking instead of just buying different brands and larger packs! Let us do what we want with our bodies for fucks sake.

[@PhauxTheFox]

a lot of my friends have told me to watch this and I've been avoiding it, I think I'll be watching it pretty soon.

[@Lalo_thr]

I was 16 years old when this movie came out, I didn't quite understand it as well as I do now, but I just knew at the time that this is a special film. This is the movie that made me an Aaron Eckhart fan as well, great actor.

[@PixelPickaxe]

2:33 omg it's cave johnson

[@lucegibbs6044]

Jk simmons is in like everything

[@basedbattledroid3507]

PixelPickaxe If J.K. wasn't in everything, I wouldn't watch anything.

[@ulf8684]

Oh my God! It is. Oh yeah if you see him ask him how Caroline is doing. Oh I mean gLaDOS

[@kaitlynhenson7157]

He needs pictures of Spider-Man! xD

[@brittanyambrose1137]

Critic, your editorials are amazing and I look forward to seeing more in the future. God, this is a good video.

[@zibane6246]

This is one of Doug's best, if not his best, film breakdowns he's ever produced. And not a single sketch to be seen, just pure substance and analysis. Coincidence?

[@OzymandiasWasRight]

Rob Lowe saying he only sleeps on Sunday is my favorite line.

[@Simracer1990]

Thank You for Smoking is just one of those films that I love to come back to over and over again.

[@Daniela-pr7rz]

now the sequel: "Thank you for taking the vaccines"

[@DmStandish4]

I've always been on the fence to watch this movie. But after watching this, I have decided I now know what I'll be watching this Saturday night. Thanks Doug!

[@Phantomgalaxy13]

I'm sort of new to this channel, but I have seen over several of his videos. Personally, videos like this and "When does a joke go too far?" are personally my favorite so far. There the guy just talks calmly and provides good points to the topics in question, it's so much easier to listen and relate to than most of his other movie critics where he forces in a crude joke after every line.

[@thebelial6397]

@Nostalgia Critic: There was a scene cut, where you can see nick smoking a cigarette and collapsing

[@sprocket0077]

To be honest, I don't understand why people get so upset over political correctness. It's basically just asking people to be considerate of other people. Like, why is it such an inconvenience to you to not make someone else feel like shit? Just asking.

[@alexmansfield3268]

You clearly don't know how annoying pc are. Watch dougs is a joke to far to clearly understand. Then watch south parks newest episode on the sjw. Pc is sometimes alright, but idiots take it too far and not realizing they should not take it seriously.

[@JukaDominator]

+sprocket0077 The problem is the means they go to achieve this, mainly heavy censorship and harassment of those who do not adhere. PC ia anti free speech.

[@viktormoon3477]

+sprocket0077 It's not the being considerate part that's the problem, everybody knows decency, the problem is when language is being controlled by subjective sensitivity and people will be demonized for it. The problem is that no one can read each other's mind. People have different levels of "feel like shit". You shouldn't enforce your subjective sensitivity on anybody. In public, everybody there will have different values sensitivity but to enforce your own on everybody by controlling language and law then you no longer are the victim that feels like shit, you are the tyrant who puts their values over others. I hope this made sense. I'm pretty shit at typing out my thoughts and I probably repeated the same point multiple times. Sowwy.

[@sprocket0077]

Viktor Moon No, it's all good, thanks for your input. But the thing is, not many people actually force people to use PC terms. People who do are usually misguided SJW extremists or 14 year olds who don't really know any better. Almost nobody outside the internet forces people to use PC terms. At least as far as I've seen. As for being a tyrant who puts their values over others, while I've seen very few people "forcing" others to be more PC, I constantly see people adamantly refusing to stop using disrespectful terms. Like, constantly. On and off the internet. And I get the argument that being PC kills comedy, I really do. But in non-comedic situations??? ??? Idk, man.

[@viktormoon3477]

sprocket0077 Just because you don't witness it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's very prevalent in Liberal colleges and universities as well as news papers like the Guardian. PC is a very mainstream thing among liberals and it's scary how many view it as a just thing. I personally feel that people should have the right to say whatever they want and about whoever they want. We should look at at these people who use disrespectful terms and laugh at them for their stupidity, rather than out right ban people from using words because they are deemed offensive. PC is downgrades our language to unbelievable lows in my opinion and a lot of others as well.

[@Houndovhell]

Choice is good, and is a part of freedom. But smoking tobacco is like putting a gun to your head and saying "I have the choice to pull the trigger if I want to" Yeah, but you'd only be destroying yourself if you did pull the trigger. Everyone in my family has died from cancer - and as the movie says - its greatly due to the way noone taught the dangers to it. The commercials run by big tobacco companies said that smoking would help you live longer and shit like that, Deliberately lying to you to get you to buy their product. That's not freedom. Again, its like putting a gun to your head, someone telling you that bullets don't actually hurt, then telling you that you can choose to pull the trigger or put the gun down.

[@jekblom123]

Smoking tobacco is *nothing* like "putting a gun to your head". That is a terrible metaphor.

[@firrigagamer8281]

jekblom123 To be honest, I think cigarettes are the modern day snake oil. Back then, snake oil didn’t kill you either, at least not outright, but it’s obviously not for what they said it was for. Well, not like actual snake oil, since literal snake oil has been discovered to have various health benefits but I’m talking about the bull crap snake oil. The “cure all” ones. But still, saying tobacco makes you live longer is like saying petroleum gives you super strength. There’s leaps of logic and then there’s assuming your costumers weren’t born with a brain.

[@selahanany5645]

@Christopher Fair people get adicted at 10, 11. your gonna claim tha tnone of them got addicted because of ignorance?

[@Superpizzaboi123]

This was a great analysis. But more important than the theme of choice, I think the theme of "spin" was more prominent. There was a scene in the movie where Naylor was talking about "moral flexibility". Honestly if ANYONE has good enough debating skills, you can convince or "spin" a good number of people that your viewpoint is the right one. In the video, Doug discusses how Naylor was passionate and creative and charming....which let's face it strengthen his arguments in the movie. "spin" can also be used in other controversial topics as too: abortion, gun control, taxation, etc......

[@bartsimpson83]

I think George Carlin said it best: "Don't blame tobacco companies for kids smoking. Kids smoke for the same reasons adults do, because it's an enjoyable activity that relieves anxiety and depression."

[@bleflar9183]

And then couses bigger depressions on its own. And you have to smoke more for it to stop for a while.

[@Slashthekitsune]

Gotta watch this movie sometime. It's actually amazing.

[@roddivinagracia2629]

Does this take place in nolan's dark knight trilogy and is harvey's origin or in another universe i mean he's kinda like harvey/Two face from the dark knight he think what he's doing is right so is he i mean he might be he's probably not so he kinda resembles harvey dent in the dark knight so is he ok lets do this Harvey; thinks why he's doing is right charming kind and turns to the other side at the end Main Character I forgot the name about; thinks why he's doing is right charming kind and turns to the other side at the end get my point here

[@lucegibbs6044]

2:36 Richard's smile is just adorkable

[@sirwilhelmh.y9749]

Thank you, Doug and C.A for introducing me to this film.

[@AGothNamedWednessday]

Thanks to this review, I watched this movie, abd it is now in my top 5 favorite movies list

[@kakashi76767]

who fucking cares

[@potitishogun2961997]

Rude, man -3-

[@potitishogun2961997]

DramaHateNation You sir, are being very rude to me. Please sit in the corner and think about what you've done -3-

[@potitishogun2961997]

DramaHateNation What the fuck does that matter??? XD

[@potitishogun2961997]

DramaHateNation It's a fucking joke, dude, grow a sense of humor or something xD And a GOOD one, not a troll one -3-

[@MartianManHunter2258]

Two-face's origin story.

[@nigrodda]

Nice to finally see Dougs character actually sound like a film journalist.

[@ByronDZero]

This is actually one of my favorite movies, it pops up in my head every so often. Thank you for talking about it.

[@OttosTheName]

I'm confused now. I thought they clearly made this video to show the protagonist is a bad guy. Yea technically everything he says is correct and I agree people should have a choice, but how he manipulates and uses his debating skills for bad seems obviously evil. I thought they made him look good or neutral just so you'd hate him a little more and for comedic purposes. It also shows how somebody can be 'right' according to the laws of debating while obviously he's speaking on behalf of a company and doesn't give a crap about anything else then his paycheck and how the legal system doesn't promote 'right' but it promotes knowing the rules, because being reasonable isn't nearly as important as following your job description the strictest way possible in this day and age. In my eyes this movie a little dark just to make a point. Are people legitimately offended by this movie? And is that because they misunderstand the movie or did I completely miss the point?

[@harleymitchelly5542]

+OJJVZ Just because corruption exists doesn't mean governments should be eliminated. Just because there are terrible corporations doesn't mean capitalism can't work. Just because a religious wingnut espouses derogatory and blatant falsehoods doesn't mean the religion at large is terrible. Just because there are shitty people who are good at manipulating others doesn't mean free choice should be destroyed. It almost seems fitting that the worst person possible should be making the best case here, given the movie's premise. It's like going to a mob boss for the best business advice in a competitive market. Yeah, they'e evil. Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, all of them did terrible reprehensible things. But they engaged in the realest and highest stakes form of doing business, where screwing the pooch in the smallest amount could get you killed, rules barely existed, if at all, and there wasn't such a thing as business ethics. If you survived that type of business, you learned pretty damn quickly how to conduct yourself in a way that had you succeed. Who better to teach the dangers, ethics, and functionalities of manipulation and choice than a corporate shill for a product with an entire graveyard in the closet?

[@deathsythelui]

Aaron Eckhart: The _Face_ of America...

[@DEXEvolution]

This kinda thing is exactly what I've been seeking all this while. There's just something about this kinda satire that really seeps deep into you, and you start to feel a little dread, a little flustered but ultimately forced to face your thoughts and feelings.

[@joshuakruty6967]

Thank you critic for being so genuine with your analysis

[@richardatthemovies8791]

The last time I was this early,I had to write an original comment.

[@pharaohyami5000]

So... what are the benefits of smoking?

[@DoseOfDhillon]

+pharaohyami5000 relaxing probably, mental break

[@xXBOXKIDx]

In before smokers defend having cancer sticks

[@bjaminm428]

it's a known fact smokers get tail

[@Ashisaway]

While I don't think there are any benefits of smoking, the film is more on 'do whatever the fuck you want. It's your body.'

[@char6547]

choice and stress relief, I don't smoke by the way.

[@LordMyron09]

If I may: that's kinda the lesson I learned from this movie. When I went off to college, my dad gave me a big box of condoms and said "I'm not judging you; I just don't want to hear any excuses." I used up the pack within my first year, but the message really stuck with me that I shouldn't be ashamed of what I was doing, which really dispersed the shame I'd originally felt, and helped me develop as an adult later on. While the message is crude, I will say that it still has a place in my mind for now and always. Thank you!

[@MrJohnisthename]

Filming scenes in sepia suggesting a trace of cigarette-stained smoky residue was brilliant.

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

"Trigger words" oh my god

[@magicpython6764]

seriously what is the name of that background music

[@leewitten4758]

The most shocking movie for me growing up was Chicago. First, it was the first movie I watched with a truly evil protagonist, who doesn't change, and gets a happy (ish) ending. Second, I was convinced it was going for the "liar revealed" schtick, which I always hated, but its deliberate subversion served to prove it's meaning, the world is full of corruption. That threw 12 year old me on my way to church camp a curve.

[@tyson7417]

This is one of my all time favorite films! Some really solid points, even the minor characters make you think. Also it has a solid story, It's not a soap box. The movie is just as charming as it's lead character. And, as you point out, it's message is getting more and more relevant with each passing year. Thanks for bringing this up! Gonna have to hang with the MOD squad very soon.