DIE HARD is NOT a Christmas movie!

[@jesuscryst3239]

1. Makeup is on point! 2. Die hard is a Harry Potter movie. He sneaks around a tower at night trying to avoid Alan Rickman

[@habeashumor9814]

No lie

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

🤣🤣🤣

[@incapablecreditor8117]

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[@Craxin01]

I LOVE this! I'm telling my Harry Potter loving friends this IMMEDIATELY!

[@thomasjess5029]

Yippee ki yay, mudblood.

[@cryoboy]

Ah yes, my favorite heartwarming movie subplot. The cop who kinda lost his mojo after murdering a kid learns to kill again in the end.

[@ddjsoyenby]

k1ll1ng sure is fun *sh00ts a random person* i love murd3r :)

[@watamatafoyu]

That scene is like the ambulance truck scene; it's just there for a "cool scene", it makes no sense with something that happened before it, and is just there to make you go "that's cool".

[@choronos]

That's one of my favorite aspects of the movie because of how much I hate it. It's just such a bad message to send, that it becomes unintentionally funny.

[@iansullivan9738]

@@ddjsoyenby Have you considered a career in law enforcement?

[@flask223]

:(

[@_NoDrinkTheBleach]

The wild thing about John McClane was that back in 1988, he was seen as a more grounded, emotionally sensitive male lead character that was a stark contrast to the hyper masculine films of Schwarzenegger and Stallone. Looking back, he's definitely more in line with the cowboys that Hans suggested.

[@Vermic12]

Yeah, the concept of Bruce Willis: Action Hero was pretty radical in 1988. Willis was the joker from Moonlighting who sang "Respect Yourself" with the Pointer Sisters; he was basically the anti- action hero. That he is now probably best known as a generic action guy is because of Die Hard.

[@SynMonger]

@@Vermic12 He was the Bob Odenkirk of 80's action heroes.

[@tristanband4003]

Essentially anyone would seem less toxically masculine than Terminator or Rambo.

[@granudisimo]

Only a soy boy would forget their shoes in an extremely tense situation that in turn, spawned one of the most iconic and down to earth scenes in the history of action movies.

[@Bawgle]

@@Vermic12 Really the fact that Die Hard got Sequels cemented it. He keeps getting into these situations that make him more like a Force of Nature than just some guy who happened to fall into this situation. It's why Roy Scheider is Sheriff Brody in Jaws instead of Charlton Heston.

[@technopoptart]

"he didn't want to" is the most dishonest thing anyone has ever said about the idea of winslow shooting urkel

[@curseoftheegglady]

yeah, and that "feeling guilty" part

[@granudisimo]

Three two one, one two three!...This is the last time you're bothering me!

[@mariar6449]

I'm going to laugh for days at this

[@avatarofaiyel]

Die Hard is a gritty reboot of Home Alone. I will not be accepting evidence to the contrary at this time.

[@subtlegong2817]

Given the timeframe I’d say Home Alone is a sanitized version of Die Hard

[@Syurtpiutha]

And here I thought Saw was a sequel to Home Alone.

[@vxicepickxv]

@@Syurtpiutha this means Saw is a gritty reboot of a sanitized version of Die Hard.

[@andrewfsheffield]

Preboot.

[@Almeidaraniery]

The John Wick example is good because in the first one he cries multiple times, but in the sequels the film makers choose to focus more on the "force of nature" aspect of his character, as he is pushed farther away from his humanity with each betrayal. The more badass and dangerous he gets, the less human he becomes, ultimately bringing ruin to everyone and everything around him.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Including himself, I would add, since he's forced to mutilate his hand in order to ingratiate himself to The Elder. In some ways John Wick is a metaphor for one struggling with addiction. He can't give up his old way of life and self-destructive habits, he still deals with and is dependent on his old contacts, and he grows more desperate and starts making more impulsive decisions as time goes by.

[@armyofninjas9055]

Unpopular take: first movie was good and was WAY more popular than was expected. Then they just churned out crappy sequels to cash in in the love of the Wick character.

[@anoukfleur2513]

Ah man that reminds me of the Bourne movies. I used to love the Bourne Identity (actually I still do) and I was excited to watch the trilogy when Netflix had it. 10 minutes or less into the second movie and I lost interest. [spoiler] I was already put off by how Marie was portrayed, and then they killed her? Glad to see the books got it right because that move was a clear misunderstanding of how important she was. Sure, a big appeal of the movie is him being a superhero and finding out the skills he has... But Marie's different perspective adds a lot. It's not just there to contrast, it humanises him, reminds him to not only be a robot. I think probably a lot of sequels lose out because the directors focus on what they think the appeal of movie 1 was, but then lose the nuance that made the first stand out. Emotional value/humanity is probably the most often forgotten-about secret ingredient in these cases.

[@Almeidaraniery]

@@armyofninjas9055 I mean, you're not wrong, but the sequels can still say something, even if the studio's intentions are more cynical. To me John Wick is a truly tragic hero, and I do enjoy both the tragic aspects of his journey and the shlocky violence. Besides, I'd love if more "crapy sequels" put out as much effort as the sequels have in action setpieces alone.

[@rabidrabids5348]

@@FrozEnbyWolf150 I would argue that John actually becomes _more_ human as the series progresses, (at least in three). Spoilers for John wick 3 by the way, the first two acts of 3 are focused around John trying to get rid of the bounty placed on him during the second movie, and to accomplish this, he was tasked with killing an old friend, and, after a discussion, John doesn't kill him, because by doing so, he would become that inhuman killer again, something he left behind to join his wife. And the end of the movie strongly hints that John is going to tear down the system that created him. TLDR; John chose not to be just an emotionless contract killer, in all three movies, his motives are deeply personal.

[@Dethbot4]

My opinion that Die Hard is the best Christmas movie is a nice way of saying I don't much like Christmas or most of its traditions. The amount of anxiety it gives me fucking sucks.

[@ruludos1977]

glad i'm not the only one lol

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Great point

[@The.Killer985]

Oh man I thought I was the only person

[@salazarbeedo1718]

I follow the same mindset.

[@Devilot109]

Similar. Even moreso since I decided to convert to Judaism. (Which I still need to do) Though I honestly prefer The Nightmare Before Christmas as a Christmas movie, because weird perky-goth mousie-doll.

[@WereInHell]

This was really important, thank you for this Edit: I posted this as a bit when I thought you were only gonna talk about Die Hard and then you went and said a bunch of actually important stuff lol. Happy holiday, Mildred

[@kendrajones9708]

Merry Christmas in Hell 🎄🔥❤️

[@BotheredBoy]

The internet is so beautiful sometimes.

[@marocat4749]

I have to mention, Die hard, is a better christmas movi than fatman :P If the original had damn dark criticism of toxic msculinity i think of an antihero, the book.

[@rexmikes6270]

so much canadian slapping goin on rightcheer.

[@batman93oo]

If you are so smart then why don't you make videos?!?

[@vermis0161]

my favourite part of die hard is when john hard says "it's christmas ya filthy animals" and then does a shoot

[@JoshuaWillis89]

He does several shoots, but that shoot is the best shoot that he does

[@AshAtropos]

John hard is my favorite character so true

[@pacotaco1246]

Pew pew

[@chrisprescott2273]

This comment wins.

[@LukeMcGuireoides]

Yeah, sounds like Home Alone to me, too

[@jalix9574]

As a lesbian can confirm that Hans Gruber is the sexiest man who has ever, or will ever live. He, along with Cary Elwes, are my cheat men to be attracted to. Hope this helps.

[@cooldude6651]

-"After all that talk, you're just a common thief?" -"I'm an exceptional thief." Fr

[@katherinemorelle7115]

For me, it’s Hans Gruber and Dean Winchester. Funnily enough, the first time I heard “Die Hard is a Christmas movie” was from Dean Winchester in a fairly early episode of Supernatural (and the joke about Dean is that he’s overcompensating when it comes to masculinity, so I found that pretty amusing)

[@ddjsoyenby]

no issue you made good choices.

[@lysanamcmillan7972]

"As you wish" and "unlike other Robin Hoods, I have an actual British accent" combined should release you from any grief for wanting Elwes. I mean, really.

[@armyofninjas9055]

As a straight man, I can see digging Elwes. Not so much on Snape.

[@allanjmcpherson]

To any fellow queers who happen to be watching this and who can't be with family this year (or even any year), know that there are members of our community sending you love. This time of year can be hard, but hopefully it can be a little less hard. Also, your make-up is looking sick, Mildred!

[@Magnificential]

Thought Slime? More like Hot Slime!

[@cassiusdhami9215]

All hail Lord Oculon this holy Eyeballmas‼️👁 .... and I guess a Merry Christmas, Miraculous Hanukkah, Joyous Kwanzaa, Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year to all‼️ 🤗❤😉

[@d.w.stratton4078]

Thank you. I needed this. One of my partners is off on a date and the other one broke up with me like a week ago but if still living under the same roof while we figure some stuff out, so it's kind of like seeing the ghost of Christmas past every fucking day right now and it's depressing af. Plus my family disowned me for not supporting Trump 🙄 so I'm sort of all alone this year and the cutie I matched with in dating app hasn't written back yet so blah

[@Newton-Reuther]

Same. I came out this year and while my family is supportive, I know that not everyone has that. So I'd like to add my support.

[@wigglespeedturbo6324]

My loved ones live on the other side of an ocean because I haven't met any people who would accept who I am in my own country. I've spent the past several months dreading christmas, because it means spending time with my biological relatives instead of my family

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

"No matter how good a violence-doer you become, you'll still occasionally feel like crying". I love Thought Slime's way of putting things.

[@Shield-Theyden]

There's a lot of uncomfortable stuff involving Holly, but I think one thing the movie did well was that John does tearfully say that he's sorry for how he reacted to her career taking off. It's a relatively small amount of emotional vulnerability, and is undercut by the rest of the movie's subtext, but it's still there. If the original Die Hard was made today, it'd be a Taken-style movie where he's proven right in every possible way. Also, Holly using her maiden name keeps her safer for much of the movie and she's put in greater danger only when her relationship to John is revealed to Hans.

[@ghostnote-6]

It hits a little harder I think. I mean, it's the last message that he wants delivered to his wife in the event he doesn't survive. His biggest regret was being a toxic asshole to his wife, and what that did to their family. This is not something he's ever been able to vocalize before. He also acknowledged (to himself) that he was acting like a dickhead after instigating the argument when he first meets up with his wife. I thought the movie was pretty clearly making John look like the emotionally stunted one in the relationship, and not glorifying or justifying it. It was also pretty clear that Holly didn't just 'fall back in love' with John because of his macho heroics. Sure, saving the day brought them closer together, but from the beginning she was nervous and excited for his arrival, and was very much still into the guy. I don't think this movie gets enough credit for quickly developing real characters that you believe in despite the absurd situations.

[@Shield-Theyden]

@@ghostnote-6 This is a really good take! I still agree with Mildred that Die Hard definitely has a lot of conservative positions (especially the copaganda). But your take fits perfectly and coming as it did on the tail end of the beefcake era makes it all the more unique.

[@benjaminrubin2178]

Am I the only one who actually interpreted John and Holly's relationship as John having to reconcile with the fact that Holly is now the breadwinner of the family, and that by the end of it he has to let go of his pride a little in order to realize that Holly is able to succeed in life without him? Or am I giving the film too much credit? I do agree that the film has a conservative stance on cops, though.

[@FreyaEinde]

You could definitely read her competence as a character that way but it doesn’t cancel out that the movie wants it both ways.

[@watamatafoyu]

I didn't see any disdain from John about Holly being a breadwinner, but about the fact that she moved to another city.

[@iannordin5250]

@@watamatafoyu exactly, he feels left behind and trapped in his responsibilities as a police officer in New York

[@phabiorules]

I don't think it's giving them film too much credit. John did go to L.A to save his relationship, so it's not unthinkable that she wanted to go because it was more money than they were currently making. Plus they stay together at the end with Holly keeping her job shows he is ok with it.

[@maximeteppe7627]

@@phabiorules but the sacrificing of the rolex sends at the very least the message that her marriage is more important than her career - not that it's incompatible with your or OP's point. Her arc is still to rediscover her feelings for her husband.

[@maristiller4033]

So fun story: My dad hates that Die Hard is considered a Christmas movie because it’s not and so it’s kinda become a joke in my family that anything that has Christmas or anything vaguely Christmas like in it is a Christmas movie. Like my mom and I watched Tommy a few weeks ago and there’s a Christmas scene in it and we were like ooooohhhh a Christmas movie

[@86chaz86]

Yeah, the most adamant defenders of it being a xmas movie in my family are my mom and my wife. Not to take away from the valid discussion on how it glories toxic masculinity and conservativism, but some people just find it funny that such a violent film could be described as a xmas film. Plus it's a really good movie.

[@tomboz777]

Prometheus takes place during Christmas, Idris Elba decorates a tree in it...[OFFICIALLY A CHRISTMAS MOVE CONFIRMED]!!!

[@davidtaylor142]

Every Harry Potter movie is a Christmas movie. They always heavily feature Christmas and even came out in the holiday season

[@dumb_fox]

i always assumed it was like a big inside joke or something and played it up to my friends

[@pacotaco1246]

Anything vaguely christmasy is a die hard movie

[@entorwellian]

"The Shining" is my favourite Christmas movie to watch with the family.

[@TheVarietyGuy]

Is this satire?

[@katelen3610]

"one would expect a Christmas movie to be released during Christmas time" just reminded me that Hocus Pocus, no doubt a perfect Halloween movie, was released in July

[@hexum7]

And Shazam, which is set during Christmas, was released in the Spring

[@AJFStudios]

Shit some of the Michael Myers Halloween movies come out in the summer and Scream movies come out in winter. Hard to argue those arent Halloween films

[@ddjsoyenby]

it is a halloween movie.

[@bobby_greene]

It's a wonderful life was released on January 7

[@gwendlevs.everything9178]

I wonder if Die Hard etc were always intended for July release, or if they changed it based on test-screenings with focus groups

[@Phoenix-ej2sh]

God damn you. I expected a contrarian, maybe humorous take on an emerging Christmas tradition. Instead, I'm confronted by all this deep and profound expression of humanity and I'm crying because your cinnamon bun thing is so fucking beautiful.

[@watamatafoyu]

How does it feel to be part of toxic masculinity? That's right, if McClane had just given Gruber a cinnamon bun, he would have released the hostages.

[@cremetangerine82]

I agree with Mildred (and heterosexual women), Hans Gruber is a delicious slice of man. This Christmas has been rough; I had surgery last week, so I haven’t been able to do what I can. My dad died of COVID-19 complications last December, I’ve been unemployed since last March and had to move back to my childhood home at 38. The “Christmas spirit” just feels like needless consumption and stress that I can’t take. Merry Christmas?

[@deetmah5800]

Sorry to hear that.. I think any holiday should be take it or leave it. Maybe there's something you're able to enjoy even in a hospital bed - do that. Be kind to yourself ❤️ PS: I didn't buy a single present this year. fuck christmas consumerism

[@B_A-tr]

My condolences. I hope things get better and that the surgery is not making more trouble

[@FeralFelineFriend]

I feel ya on that. Though I have a job, shit's just going side ways on me this year. Lost my dog, spent four grand on my cat because he needed hospitalization and surgery. Now my roof needs to be replaced and that'll cost me eight grand, plus it leaking and causing mold to grow on the ceiling. I am rushing to crochet a sweater for my sister. I feel this holiday just needs to calm the heck down. I'm not in the mood to waste energy on my bigoted family. All I wanted was a break from a job that's been working me seven days a week for months.

[@cremetangerine82]

@@deetmah5800 Thanks, it’s been rough having to move back home and try to smile like this time of the year is “happy and bright”.

[@cremetangerine82]

@@B_A-tr Right now it hurts to do anything; it was delayed so much, the last surgery was a week before Christmas Eve.

[@camipco]

"DIE HARD is NOT a Christmas movie!" is a Christmas video.

[@hekatelunasri1251]

And it was today that I realized, Mildred on focus meds would become too powerful. But by then it was already too late. She has ascended above our powers to stop. We must now simply accept exceptional content like this.

[@NOTLPChiz]

I’m more in the “Gremlins is a Christmas movie” camp. I always thought it’s just because I love that movie and want an excuse to watch it. Now, I’m questioning that motivation. Well done.

[@postmodernrecycler]

It's a Christmas classic. I can't believe anybody would actually debate this. What a world!

[@davidwallgren7575]

@@postmodernrecycler It's technically an alternate Christmas movie just like Die Hard. I mean you take away the Christmas elements of these kinds of movies it'd still work. In fact, Gremlins is more of a Halloween-like movie to me.

[@raygordonteacheschess5501]

Gremlins is the dividing line: anything more is a christmas film, anything less is not.

[@DragonbIaze052]

Gremlins is about a Christmas present that turns into a bunch of monsters who go Christmas caroling in the middle of causing mayhem. All the same themes and lessons could be conveyed just as well if the movie was centered on the boy's birthday, but that doesn't mean it's insignificant that it's set at Christmas. Die Hard would stay thematically the same if it was any random Tuesday in July during regular work hours, but Gremlins would mean something different if it was just some random day.

[@zoushaomenohu]

I will never...EVER...understand why some men get SO bent out of shape about personal hygiene and stuff. I'm a man, and I *like* being clean! And being clean makes me pleasant to be around! Why would you not want that?! Why the heck do these dudes claim it's SOOOOO HAAAAAARD to just...scrub?

[@HalfBakeDestruction]

I dunno sounds kinda ghey ta me

[@malcontent79]

The reason is homophobia

[@0oSiLveRo0]

is this an american thing? I never met anyone in europe who even knew someone like that.

[@Lily-ni5po]

@@0oSiLveRo0 Americans think European men look gay because they know how to do some basic grooming, so yes, it is a particular brand of American homophobia.

[@malcontent79]

@Leila M @heyhey And by "Americans" you can safely consider this to mean the entire continent of North America. Sorta suggests it might be an Evangelical thing of some denomination or other, but don't hold me to that.

[@rattyeely]

I love how this starts out as a joke, then turns into one of the best explanations of the concept of toxic masculinity I've seen on KZbin, and then ends on a heartwarming analysis of why we wanted Die Hard to be a Christmas movie so badly to begin with

[@nicksnrub7265]

It has a female lead named "Holly" as a career woman that rediscovers love at Christmas. It is a classic Hallmark Xmas movie.

[@realMacMadame]

There was a lot of messages about the importance of family too.

[@hexum7]

Always a harried career woman who realizes her high-pressured but emotionally stunting business world isnt ultimately as satisfying celebrating Christmas with her hometown sweetheart hunk - so, i guess so.

[@grantus_pax]

"A Hostage for Christmas," premiering tonight at 7:30/6:30 central

[@FreyaEinde]

I want a hallmark movie starring the blond mom from Modern Family that turns into a action movie but keeps the exact Hallmark small town aesthetic with no cussing and otherwise wholesome themes!

[@hexum7]

“A Christmas Kidnapping” “Mistletoe Hard”.

[@oafkad]

Alright, you've convinced me. I didn't think it was a Christmas movie but now I do.

[@billhicks8]

It's so weird that this innocuous subject has led to one of the best Thought Slime videos.

[@DuckReconMajor]

holy shit this

[@cmmosher8035]

Die hard has the same basic plot structure of the hundreds of Lifetime movies of an estranged couple who learn how much love each other due to some incredibly implausible circumstances that i have the past 40 years of my life watching with my mum. I secretly enjoy the lifetimes movies because i can spend with mum.

[@TheGoldenBoo]

The moment I read the title of this video I thought "there's no way Thought Slime uploaded a video about *that.* I'll just watch it until I figure out what it's *really* about then I'll be on my merry way," but actually you touched on so many of the things that I think about while watching Die Hard, and articulated them so well, in ways I feel I'm not even allowed to express, that I had to sit here and watch the whole thing. And I was right and wrong! This video is about how Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie, but it's also not really. This is not a Christmas video.

[@wavetail1]

I always felt really similar about my dad and his friends, who have a football and hockey pool that they participate in religiously. It's a reason to connect every week, and I think my dad probably spends an hour every week emailing "the guys" with little jokes and stories with the pretense of the weekly "Pool Update."

[@PopMusicKiller]

Just because you're correct doesn't mean I still can't believe it is. Batman Returns is still more Christmas though.

[@justcommenting4981]

It's objectively a Christmas movie. Christmas needs more whips.

[@shelbypowell9919]

@@justcommenting4981 no no, that’s easter

[@erikrungemadsen2081]

Anything Tim Burton makes is by definition a Creepy Christmas thing.

[@cmmosher8035]

Batman returns is the fourth greatest Christmas Movie behind Die Hard Black Christmas And Gremlins.

[@SirRebrl]

In the first John Wick, he was _specifically_ pissed off because his opportunity to grieve in a healthy way by bonding with a dog gifted by his recently deceased wife was taken from him. He just wanted to remember this person he loved so much he changed his whole life to be with her by bonding with this adorable doggo she gave him after she died. And then the doggo was killed by some asshole, and John could not abide that. He wanted to have the healthy feelings.

[@Richard-dm4it]

To pick up on the most important thread of the video, when Carl Winslow shot Erkel did he ironically ask, "Did I do that?"

[@UdderlyEvelyn]

"Men do need love and support - just like normal people do." *laughs in knowing people will try to interpret that as men aren't normal people*

[@Seranov]

Mr Rogers is whatever the exact opposite of toxic masculinity is. Bless that man and everyone who follows in his path.

[@poeticsparrow]

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[@snorristurluson5849]

Toxic masculinity isn't real

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

@@snorristurluson5849 Prove it lol

[@pacotaco1246]

The rogers path is the real golden path

[@jeremieh5009]

@@pacotaco1246 me when the dune reference

[@redvelvetunderground]

when i was very little i used to associate orange cinnamon rolls with christmas, the store bought kind from pillsbury that never tasted as good as i remembered it being so as an adult with pastry and baking experience under my belt set out to make my own version of those orange cinnamon rolls as my own little christmas tradition every year. it's been like 10 years now and i finally got them right. your story reminded me of this!

[@MrGksarathy]

Die Hard is a Christmas movie because it has the cliche Christmas estrangement and reconciliation subplot. It's just got a hostage situation sandwiched in between the beginning and end.

[@emmettbattle5728]

right. honestly there has to be somewhere that someone edited die hard into a hallmark movie. the estrangement, the redemption from things that would be unforgivable if it wasnt christmas, lots of toxic men proving their relationships will work last minute. there are a lot more winter hallmark/abcfamily movies that have overlaps of the various subplots of diehard. its christmas hijinks and tropes just hypermasculinized

[@MrGksarathy]

@@emmettbattle5728 To Die Hard's credit, John does genuinely accept that he was wrong trying to be the sole breadwinner and not respecting Holly's career, and that's how they reconcile. At least, that's how I viewed it.

[@synthgal1090]

Oh damn, that's a good a point

[@jasonrhome710]

@@MrGksarathy which then gets undermined in 2 and 3, both setting the stage for John McLain, supercop in 4. Still haven't watched 5 yet. Maybe in 2022...

[@MrGksarathy]

@@jasonrhome710 Unsurprised to hear that. No way can a series like Die Hard actually resolve with the manly man respecting his wife's choices...

[@Parker8752]

One of my favourite parts of this film is how the big burly manly man has to open up emotionally to another man because of how stressful his situation is, and isn't mocked for it.

[@raygordonteacheschess5501]

In Bettor Off Single, I wrote about the "Clueless or Gay" rule: if two men are hanging out without a specific purpose, one is gay and attempting to seduce the other, or both are clueless. They had a specific purpose.

[@harrynac6017]

Christmas is about Jesus, and Jesus is about dying the hard way. Die Hard. HALLELUJAH, I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT

[@creativedesignation7880]

Oh wow, I did not expect that such a convincing argument could be made about this, but you nailed it (and so did the Romans).

[@DonDeeley]

My friend said they were tired of the "Die Hard is a Xmas Movie" arguments and I shared this video with them. It made them cry. Just a beautiful and masterfully composed video.

[@lefu87williford55]

I think this is the same reason men put so much value on sex. When you repress all other emotions, it's the only meaningful human connection you get to enjoy and not be ashamed.

[@mcwjes]

Seems like sex, sports and/or games are the three acceptable outlets.

[@lefu87williford55]

@@mcwjes sports means a lot to people who are touch starved. It lets straight men make physical contact with each other out of affection and friendship.

[@michimatsch5862]

@@lefu87williford55 fuck. This is like dead on for me. I also realised this is the reason I like hanging with women. You are allowed to hug and stuff.

[@lefu87williford55]

@@michimatsch5862 living as a man is so lonely. They don't have the sense of sisterhood that woman do.

[@painunending4610]

@@lefu87williford55 you just havent found the right men

[@richarddavis2530]

You're constantly getting better at finding ways to make an important point in a novel and contextualised way. I thought this script in particular was structured very well and got your message across perfectly.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

"I don't put a lot of stock into the idea that consumption or enjoyment of any kind of media really says anything about someone's moral character." Thank you!

[@philgodin6493]

Star Trek:Generations is a Christmas Movie, because of that one scene with Picard's family. Also Kirk rises from the dead to save mankind.

[@radicaledward3783]

I was just mentioning to my sister that die hard is in the "holiday movie" section of disney plus. She was confused until i explained that there's a weird thing online about people insisting it's a Christmas movie, oddly enough I've never seen it. If you really want to start a debate i would also draw your attention to the fact that "Edward scissorhands" is also in the same section.

[@rattyeely]

It looks like they just put every movie they had with Christmas in it in that category

[@RahanPlays]

From what I remember, “Nothing Last Forever” is actually a pretty good book. I read it as a kid after seeing Die Hard. Super tense, pulpy thriller. It’s still weirdly conservative, and it’s technically a sequel to a Frank Sinatra movie (The Detective!), so your narrative throughline is that Sinatra and Bruce Willis played the same weird ex-cop.

[@watamatafoyu]

A story being couched in the conservative hyper-masculinity of the time doesn't make it or fans part of "toxic masculinity" like Thought Slime keeps implying. People taking hostages is certainly toxic, but someone doing what they have to to save them is not equally evil (or at all). Thought Slime seems to mix a lot of things up and jump to unfair conclusions that, using the same logic... I could call "toxic masculinity".

[@TSFboi]

"die hard is a christmas movie" because if enough people believe it we get to watch an action movie on christmas

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

Exactly. What else would we want to watch?

[@stonedzebra420]

Exactly. Thought slime is just joyless.

[@jamiefidler9187]

here’s a secret: you can watch whatever you want on christmas. nobody will stop you

[@fiona9891]

@@stonedzebra420 they did say they enjoy the movie several times

[@mynamejeff3545]

No one's stopping you from watching action movies of Christmas. You don't see me claiming Planet Earth is, in fact, an Easter movie because I want to see it between March and April.

[@delusionnnnn]

Ministry's "Every Day is Halloween" should, by definition, not be limited to your Halloween playlist. Arguably, your Halloween playlist is the one it should be absent from.

[@xellos88]

The shooting of Urkel is now canon for me in the Die Hard universe and I will not hear any arguments against it.

[@kmo9790]

I get it, but why would Carl be all guilt ridden over it?

[@cassiusdhami9215]

🤌🏾😆😅😂🤣👏🏾

[@technopoptart]

@@kmo9790 optics

[@ddjsoyenby]

he really is.

[@rhymebeat1142]

Fun Fact. Red of Overly Sarcastic Productions, an ace lady, did in fact make this argument with actual symbolism as opposed to just "it happens during Christmas"

[@natekreimer7221]

Oh damn I missed that video, which one was it?

[@rhymebeat1142]

@@natekreimer7221 It's thier newest one.

[@eclipserepeater2466]

I guess Red and Mildred will have to do an honorable youtuber duel over this, then.

[@almoglevin]

That was so beautiful I almost cried. Thank you for this insight into the mysterious male psyche (why did I have to do this. Why did I have to do this??). I will, in the future, be more tolerant of people being dudebroes in a wholesome, non-toxic way. Do your thing, men. We understand. We love you. You are valid. In another note, I wanted to say that your eyeliner game is improving weekly. I am someone who is at least perceived to be a woman, I couldn't do it that well. I remember how you were struggling with it in the past, so I wanted to give you a quick positive feedback of how much you've improved.

[@GForce4]

Ironically the film Die Hard actually portrays healthy forms of masculinity with both Al and John opening up to each other and John needing lots of emotional support.

[@caseymckenna7111]

This really makes me wanna overshare, but instead of burdening you with that I just wanna say thank you for everything you do. Enjoy the holidays, your makeup looks beautiful and HOLY SHIT THE EYEBALL AWARDS?!?!!??!?!!

[@GForce4]

I like TS thoughts on Toxic Masculinity but I feel like he ignored huge swaths of the movie where the men actual bond in healthy ways. In fact when Al reveals he's unable to shoot his gun (a classic symbol of expressing masculinity) he is not treated as as lesser man. The finale of the film al does shoot his gun but in service of protecting a close friend as opposed to personal glory or "manning up" Al opens up to John about him shooting a kid to gain his trust and John responds to the traumatic story with actual sincerity. In fact Al's big contribution to the plot is being John's emotional anchor. John is "stronger" because he has emotional support of another man. Right before the climax John is actively worried, he legit is afraid he's going to die, he's tired, vulnerable, opens up to his faults and is even crying. In fact Die Hard was cast in a way to contrast the classic "stoic invincible acting guy" trope that was running wild. John Mclain gets hurt, he's overwhelmed, he's legit scared a lot of the times, he gets dirty and complains A LOT. Bruce Willis was cast because he wasn't an action guy and was more believable with looking vulnerable. He expressions emotions besides anger and displays them openly and the film doesn't think less of him.

[@davidcolby167]

Heck, there's some bits where John actually does break down and get pretty dang close to crying!

[@GForce4]

@@davidcolby167 He does cry you can see tears streaking down his face.

[@scillablue9672]

This was freaking adorable. I hope you had a nice time with Die Hard or without.

[@anarchisttrash364]

You say “Die Hard is a Christmas movie,” and I offer up The Exorcist as a Christmas movie 1: It was released on December 26, 1973 2: ??? 3: Mildred likes horror movies so I figured she’d get a kick outta this comment Edit: BTW, I love the makeup, Mildred! It really put me in the holiday spirits :)

[@MykiiMescal]

it’s a boxing day movie then ;)

[@kevincrady2831]

Demonic projectile vomit is the gift that keeps on giving.

[@astridarideout1864]

my xmas horror tradition is romero's "dawn of the dead". having worked a mall job at xmas, i frequently felt like a character from that movie as i dodged and weaved through shuffling crowds trying to make it to the food court and back on my 20 minute lunch break lol

[@Birbface]

Perhaps Die Hard has become a post-signifier. More specifically: its significance has gone from that of being a mildly toxic masculine and vicarious experience of power fantasy to that of a shared joke, and in the process has neutralised some of the performativity of its toxicity and replaced it with the performativity of a tired dad joke. In any event I think that the repetition of the joke may have been good for both the legacy of the movie and its audience.

[@masterdan2761]

This Christmas I will be watching Pacific Rim again, just like every year. To me, that's a Christmas movie. If you can't see the Christ allegory in giant robots punching giant kaiju in their emissive textures then that's on you.

[@isaacbear7115]

Neon Genesis Evangelion is a Christmas anime

[@watamatafoyu]

Christmas doesn't just include Christ you know... I hardly ever hear Christ mentioned during Christmas 😆

[@masterdan2761]

@@watamatafoyu You should probably have written Xmas then

[@sirius1696]

@@isaacbear7115 A Cruel Angel's Thesis is a Christmas Carol

[@MrLeafeater]

I remember when people started calling Die Hard a Christmas Movie...it really shook me up, that no one thought Lethal Weapon was a Christmas Movie anymore.

[@nephiloveslaman]

This video was really very good. It did things that I didn't know videos could do to me. As i embark on a christmas journey with my Mormon family... thank you for thinking , thoughtslime

[@vlntyntheband]

I have to comment to say that I appreciate the well placed use of earthbound music. ❤️ Also your ADHD video got me even more convinced that I probably had it (and turns out I do) and just felt really validating so thanks a lot for that one too.

[@karjo1000]

I've been spending Christmas alone for the past 3 years because of my bad relationship with my mom's husband, and while I genuinely enjoy just doing whatever the hell I want during the holidays, I do sometimes feel a bit empty. Thank you for the acknowledgement at the end-- it can definitely be rough at times. Hope you have happy holidays-- both Though Slime and whoever else happens to be reading this

[@armyofninjas9055]

Have had a similar experience. Much love, comerade.

[@OptimusPrimordial]

I said gremlins is a Christmas movie and my husband got annoyed. Later that night he hovered over diehard and I laughed " if diehard is a Christmas movie so is Gremlins. " And the kids took my side. And I laughed and laughed. We did not actually watch either movie.

[@beatrixwickson8477]

It's really hard to get the right balance asking for patreon support, too humble is painful and too demanding is crass. But I think you nailed the perfect low key plug to ground a joke. Next level shit, Merry Christmas nerd.

[@Lucifer-Riding]

A perfect gift. Thoughtful, heartwarming and approached the subject from a direction I didn't expect. Plus you gave me that other perfect Christmas gift--a comment section I can read where I can point out exactly which people didn't watch past four minutes. I'm such a KZbin grinch, I LOVE doing that.

[@ambiguousinnature4291]

your makeup looks fantastic in this video Slime of Thought

[@chrisprescott2273]

Looks good. Also the lighting makes him look like he's in the middle of turning into THE HULK.

[@parthasarathipanda4571]

Well did not expect to tear up at a die hard video essay

[@entropias_gonos]

This video is honestly such a thoughtful gift.

[@wadeguidry6675]

"Likely he shot Erkel" ROTFLMFAO!!!

[@MagusMaster2271]

I literally look forward to watching die hard with my mom every christmas.

[@6dragondaddy913]

John Carpenter's "the Thing" is more of a Christmas movie, bearded men in the snow enjoy the spirit of giving surprises...

[@Josiahiswatching]

My family watches (or at least did for many years) Scrooged every Christmas and while it has some bad aspects (some raunchy stuff throughout and transphobic stuff in the 11th hour) but I only really realized that it was a way for my parents who, while very lovely people for most of the year, to relate to the bill Murray character who was caustic, derisive but ultimately very lonely both in upbringing and expectations and hide a lot with hurt with humor. Considering what I know that didn’t know then about their family lives growing up (a lot of physical verbal and emotional abuse from their families) makes a lot more sense why they enjoyed it. A story about a man like that who learned a Scrooge type lesson of what charity and love of fellow man is. All wrapped in a comedy that has those sensibles that they were raised with but didn’t try to instill in us growing up.

[@vnessa1607]

Thank you much for this upload. I am avoiding my fam for a little longer and this vid is helpful in getting past my anxiety. I want those feeling heavy ways today to know you are not alone. This comment section is a beautiful example of our ability to love and understand each other. ~also ~ as so many have said ~ hair, make-up, glasses allllll on point! Beautiful look darlin.

[@bronyrocker96]

Personally, I believe Die Hard to be the inferior Christmas Movie to the holiday classic "First Blood" Yes, the first Rambo movie is a Christmas Movie. BITE ME!

[@jphillips4620]

Watching your channel makes me a better person

[@comcat8524]

I don't celebrate Christmas at all but this still was a very good, thoughtful and empathetic take. Much approval

[@Jan-gh7qi]

Small addition: As a kinda emotional, nerdy boy, I always loved die hard, because I wanted to be like Hans Gruber. (Not a terrorist ad sociopath but smart, classy, well spoken, a good planner...) And Die Hard was my chance to watch someone like that in a framework, I wasn't judged for.

[@OhNoBohNo]

Jingle Slime’s eyeshadow is on point so I am already predisposed to Hard Agree with whatever the hell they’re saying in this video

[@lunarobverse]

Thank you for pointing out it was released as a summer blockbuster!

[@beyonddreamland273]

Killing it with the eyeliner mildew. In the process of learning myself so I love to see it improve every week! Happy holidays ya jolly goof

[@kenziescout2343]

everyone should try puppy eye eyeliner at least once! literally amazing on hooded eyes. All the luck in the world on your makeup journey!! Its like my fav art form✨☺️🥰

[@beyonddreamland273]

@@kenziescout2343 didn’t even know that different “shapes” of eyeliner were a thing 💀. Was def kinda winging it (possible pun intended). Thanks for the kind words of encouragement 😊.

[@TylerDavisChi]

This video was an absolute roller coaster and I enjoyed every single twist and turn. Happy holidays!

[@tankingdiplomat679]

I def think McClane starts the movie “toxic” but later on he and Powell admit to mistakes have to use wit to beat the bad guys (with some shooting involved). The better examples of toxic masculinity are the Johnson’s and Dwayne who have to push people around to get what they want.

[@bobby_greene]

Are you disparaging Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson?

[@MaddMoke]

Your TS3.0 videos are so good. I can feel the motivation and creativity more now than ever and I love them. Thank you for keeping us entertained and informed. Hope your new year goes well!

[@auroraeve3327]

the end was so oddly touching 🥺 I think I need to make cinnamon buns with my mom this year

[@Mondomeyer]

Eyes Wide Shut is a Christmas movie.

[@kangarooMonkee]

Yes.

[@nobody8328]

You've gotten so much better with your eyeliner! You look absolutely fantastic! I'd also love to see you in a really dark smokey eye with a super sharp outer edge. Like, use tape kinda sharp. It would really bring your eyes out, especially under your glasses 🤓🥰🤗

[@99wattr89]

Nailed this one, and in just ten minutes too! You've convinced me that Die Hard isn't a christmas movie, also your makeup looks great.

[@idsbraam]

Gremlins is a christmas movie. It is about how you shoudln't watch chirstmas movies (aka feeding your christmas gremlin) after christmas is over.

[@christopherbrown6583]

Great video Thought Slime, one of your best.

[@jeastman9603]

i'm shaking and crying rn (affectionate) edit after completing the video: all memes aside, this is a wonderful essay and i love the idea of clickbaiting people into perhaps challenging their internal toxicity.

[@classicallycommie6266]

A Christmas movie is a movie where the plot is directly effected by the holiday throughout the whole movie but you could replace replace Christmas party in die hard with just a work party and everything would be the same thusly it is not representing Christmas as it's theme. It'd be like calling portal an fps because you are in first person and have a weapon that shoots, it just doesn't represent the plot or game mechanics conversely

[@GurrenPrime]

Less than two minutes in and I’ve gotta say, I agree with the motivation for making this video. It’ll be real fun to finally hear the opposition to that oft repeated phrase.

[@nathanieljones8043]

I normally argue with people that believe this but they never make a good point

[@KingBobXVI]

Showing Mr. Rogers while talking about "forms of masculinity which are not [toxic]" is A+ Also the ending here was heartwarming, and unexpectedly thoughtful :)

[@habeashumor9814]

The only definition of Christmas Movie that matters is: a movie that evokes Christmassy feelings for you as an individual.

[@michaelneufeld4515]

A Nightmare Before Christmas is a Christmas movie. It says so right in the title.

[@nicolasroy8481]

@@michaelneufeld4515 A Nightmare Before Christmas is a Before Christmas movie. It says so right in the title.

[@ruplayinggame3080]

oh no, today, on Christmas, I realized that I, a cis queer woman have been saying that Die Hard is an xmas movie as a 'not like other girls' thing. and while I still agree that it is a great film, it's also freaking conservative and icky and I hadn't really stopped to think about that. and that's okay. Hans Gruber hubba hubba.

[@watamatafoyu]

This is hilarious 😆 Hans Gruber and his henchmen murdered people in the movie, including police just doing their job, and you consider him sexy while saying the movie's conservative and icky?! I'm not a conservative, I get those arguments against it, but it makes no sense to decry those things and think the lying murdering woman-terrorizing Gruber is sexy 😆

[@ruplayinggame3080]

@@watamatafoyu ​ you're missing the point, idk if willingly. this is about the film choosing to have a hero who is a cop and not super enlightened, while the villain is an intelligent, well spoken individual. it is sending a clear message about how a hero looks like and how a villain looks like and that is suuuuper present as a pattern in a lot of action films. Mildred explains it quite clearly in their video.

[@watamatafoyu]

@@ruplayinggame3080 You're mentioning new things that weren't in your original comment so I don't know how I could have known your opinion those things so I don't know how I could missed a point that you didn't state 😆

[@TwinSteel]

The effort put into the lighting for this video will not get the praise it deserves

[@BubJeans]

It’s great!

[@consentclub8431]

This was beautiful, Mildred, thank you. I hope you enjoy your time off and have a lovely New Year!

[@mcj88]

For me _Moonstruck_ is a Christmas movie, because a few years back it happened to be on the TV on Christmas morning and my sister and I watched it while we waited for mom & dad to wake up; now it's a tradition, because as you said, these things are 100% arbitrary In fact, on that note, I'm starting a new Christmas tradition this year; thanks to my local dollar store's, uh, _eclectic_ choice of Christmas music to play over the speakers today, my new annual holiday song shall be... "Pump Up The Jam" by Technotronic

[@Robstafarian]

Moonstruck is too good to be relegated as a deep cut in Nicholas Cage's catalog.

[@racewiththefalcons1]

A movie set near December 25th about a man doing everything in his power to be with his family again? Yeah, nothing at all like Christmas. Also, Psycho is a Christmas movie, too.

[@TheMarikBathory]

Here's a fun gift for y'all. in 1995 Jet Li starred in a hong kong rip off of die hard called High Risk or sometimes Meltdown depending on where you are. It is 1000 times better than Die Hard and spends a lot of it's run time making fun of jackie chan. You're welcome.

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

that's my favorite Jet Li movie!

[@muticere]

not to undermine any of the other great videos you've made in the past year or so, but honestly, to me this is your best video since the one about the Turner Diaries, maybe because of the appeal at the end, it sort of parallels how you ended that one: with empathy. IDK, It just hits a certain way, and the way you brought this whole thing around was just so good.