Diesel Heater In A Box Install

Follow us on Instagram! / donegaloverlanding Genuine Planar 2kW diesel heater installed in a B&W International Outdoor Case Type 6800.
You can apply this install to any time of diesel heater though from any brand or power output. The principle is the same.
We wanted to install it in a case because we can move it from our Land Rover to our boat when we are using it. They also sell Marine specific models which you can find on their website in the links below. The heaters are very useful as they can be used anywhere. It will be very useful to warm up the garage come winter time. Many people use these heaters on their narrow boats, in camper vans, anywhere they need safe and efficient heating.
After witnessing so many problems and potentially lethal failures, we decided against purchasing a cheap Chinese diesel heater and instead opted for a Planar 2D-12 2kW heater. Its fully CE certified and comes with a full warranty.
With many cases to choose from, we decided to use the Type 6800 from B& W International as it is extremely durable and should last a lifetime.
You can buy the heater from Planar at the website linked below. They are fantastic to deal with and shipping time took about 7 days. They also stock the full range of accessories and have excellent backup should the need arise. Do not buy from planarheaters in the UK.
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The case we got from B&W International in Germany. They have many different cases all of which can be found at the link below.
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We are delighted with the heater and its performance in the case. We will be demonstrating it at our upcoming events so feel free to ask any questions.
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[@rewfisher1]

I have to say, I'm so impressed with the professionalism that you installed the heater into the case. Amazing job, really well done. Also for your tip at the end, that's the second time that I have heard it, so it's obviously very important to keep the heater running sweet.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks Rew. The advice about running them on full power is direct from the technical department at Planar in Russia. I told them I was going to make an install video and I asked them if there was any message or information that I could share with people watching the video that would help them. They said that the vast majority of problems people face are due to not turning them up after use, or not using them for months at a time during warmer months. They were excited that I was going to put this message in because they know it will reduce the amount of calls they will get. Perhaps it should be clearer in the instructions that you need to do this step.

[@wesschimpf5155]

Good video, I like how you thought it out. I took a chance with one of the Chinese units. Just like yours, easy to assemble and has worked flawlessly for 2 Canadian winters. I also take it as a tent heater in the fall. No complaints whatsoever. Every week or so I turn it up to max to keep the burn chamber clean.

[@robbot9877]

Brilliant. camping, boating, in the shed, power outtages you'll never be cold

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Yeah they are really so versatile. I always have a battery in the shed connected to a trickle charger, so it gives you a guarantee that you have a good heat source whatever happens. Don't be shy and hit that sub button too please. :D

[@dennisrose1122]

I am amazed how cool the case is after running it for long period of times. Cool to the touch great build loving mine. Thanks!

[@ihaveriffs8261]

All the reviews of the cheap ones I’ve seen were great. No horror stories at all. I guess I’ll find out in a couple of weeks.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

You shoild be ok. Plenty have no problems. It simply is not something we are intrested in cheaping out on. You get what you pay for.

[@raptorxoverland2465]

Built one in a larger box and it has worked flawlessly I used a car air filter in mine as dust is an issue here in Arizona :)

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Excellent, theyre awesome!

[@finnblu3002]

Thanks for the time, efforts and talents and sharing this world- wide and for the many, many responses to questions Man, KZbin is often such a unique forum and resource -

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Finn that's a lovely comment and genuinely appreciated.

[@happydavid13]

What an excellent video. You have a very natural presenting style. Really enjoyed it and it’s given me a lot of ideas. Thank you!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks David, what a lovely comment.

[@ol6374]

Planer heaters are assembled in Russia, check inside the case near exhaust on casting... made in China as are the electrics and silencer....how do I know...I've serviced loads and they are all chinese. The box you are using... made in China. Most of the systems in your land rover.....made in China. I think it's how you look after the gear is what makes things last. You are very precise on you build and it's done very well hence it will last a long time. Good build.

[@dawidwojtaldw]

All diesel heaters are making in china,big brands tools also,you have choice what name and model what amount you pay for this.

[@TheBoondockers]

Thanks for the how to fit fella. looks simple enough thanks to your excellent instructions. We just bought a planar heater for our van build excellent value for money compared to all the other ones on the market @ £500- £700

[@Liam40]

Personally I would buy some insulating foil tape for that tank and perhaps some heatwrap for the muffler. Just peace of mind, plus by having the muffler wrapped you ensure better exhaust flow and keep internal temperatures that much lower, which helps slow plastic degradation on things like wires and your case. It's the little safety things afterall.

[@welcometoreality3450]

Thats all a must IMHO

[@Tore_Lund]

@@welcometoreality3450 Another Wild idea: let the Cold air intakte go through a compartment sourrounding the muffler and tailpipe inside the box. That Will remove All heat as even with wrapping, the exhaust still reaches 200F. This Also saves a small amount of fuel.

[@dennisrose1122]

Thanks for the help in putting his video. I just finished mine and it works great and is very portable.

[@dogdays2012ify]

Don't forget your CO (carbon monoxide) detector for your tent. Be safe on those windy days when camping and possible blow back of exhaust fumes to your intake. Great 👍 install video 😃

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Justin, We sure do have a CO detector in the tent. I'm paranoid about that kind of thing.

[@briantheminer]

What an epic mounting idea!!!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks, appreciate that.

[@studio2photography98]

Nice job. I made my own version from an Eberspacher heater. One major difference is that I run the air intake from the cabin too so it's really efficient in cold weather.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks, I had actually considered this but then decided I would rather have fresh air coming in. Despite this, it is truly incredible how efficient these heaters are. I use green diesel here in Ireland, its the same as red diesel in the UK, its designed for "off road" or agricultural/marine use. Its around 80cents per litre. Its sold in almost every filling station at the pumps in Ireland. The looks I get as I have my Land Rover parked next to it, people assume I'm brazenly filling the Land Rover with it! :D

[@studio2photography98]

Yes, the diesel heaters really are efficient. Sometimes I do use mine with a fresh air intake too and this is handy for creating a positive pressure in the roof tent, which keeps the midges out.

[@tuff-trek_rooftents]

Really good video, found it very comprehensive and enjoyable. Good work!

[@rambolambo5754]

Great video, i would put a silicone oven mitt over the muffler for a heat/shield.Nice tent setup...

[@DonegalOverlanding]

The muffler gets hot alright, but it barely warms the fuel tank inside up at its closest point.

[@charlie123866]

i bought one already made from china under 170 quid deliverd but its the idea that i like..nice job..

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Im glad we could help. You can use whatever heater you want, whatever works for you is the most important thing.

[@TheRoadDude]

Good job, gentlemen, very interesting solution. I've seen folks install an on-demand water heater in outdoor cases, but never a diesel air heater. Nicely done, mates! I'm getting the US version of the heater you're using, the Espar, to install in my diesel van for cool weather and winter camping. It's used widely here in cargo vans, expediter vehicles, and big trucks. Thanks for posting this at OLB, too!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks Road. There are Eberspacher, Webasto and a plethora of Chinese copies on the market. The Chinese ones are like a lottery so there was no chance I was going to risk it. The Planar was less expensive than the Eberspacher and Webasto and just as high quality, so it was a no brainer. These kinds of heaters would be found in trucks, emergency service vehicles and campers all over the place.

[@TheRoadDude]

Yes, the Eberspacher (Espar) are the most popular and dependable here in the states and widely favored over the Webasto. I hadn't heard of the Planar 'til now, but it looks identical to the Espar units in shape, installation, and muffler, etc. Good luck with yours, and keep the great vids coming!

[@BurninSven1]

I put a cheap chinese heater in my electric tuk tuk and it has been working good so far, I drove it last night to the store and back home in -1 Celcius with a little snow on the ground. For what I paid for it I say it was very good deal for what I use it for anyway. Interesting with the outside housing/casing but it will make it easier for someone to steal it or mess with it though compared if it is locked inside my Tuk tuk.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Where do you live? What is the model of your electric tuk-tuk? Would love to look it up and see what it is like. We think Tuk-Tuk's are so cool

[@BurninSven1]

@@DonegalOverlanding I live in Sweden. This is one of them when I was out driving to test the heater kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJuaqmirq6qMnqM. I imported them from Lianke Machinery in China, the heaters I bought on Ebay uk. I bought the all in one heaters to make it quick to install them but you loose some space with them. I will probably use an extra battery just for the heater to save on the driving distance.

[@BurninSven1]

This a video of both kzbin.info/www/bejne/fp7Zd2x9aa55nas

[@mrfingers4737]

Money well spent. I have a planar 44d - 12 with at least 15000 hours on it. Never replaced a part yet. I took it apart a little while ago and it's not even dirty inside the burner. I allways run on power mode sometimes for months without shutting down so I assume that's why my glow plug hasn't failed yet.

[@bobl78]

15.000 or 1.500 ? Eberspaecher advertises their latest heater to be designed for 1000 hours ... 15.000 means you had it running for 2 years straight

[@bigbill74scots]

Great video and more of that beautiful doggo please!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Everyone loves Kilo! :D

[@dananelson1801]

Good instructual video. Watched a video on similar heater, but it was propane.

[@philfuhrmann7391]

This is an awesome effort. I will try to do the same.

[@flytech78]

Nice I would seriously consider having a solid rubber fuel line instead of that plastic. Also a heat shield between the fuel tank and muffler... nice build

[@ronmiller7916]

How sad it is that you had to state the obvious

[@Bedlam102]

Fantastic idea, and beautiful build. I’m very interested to see or hear how it worked or is working. Any issues with heat in the box or if you modified your build in anyway to make improvements?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Still working perfectly to date. Zero issues at all. The box doesn't get hot at all, not even slightly.

[@sambarton202]

If u have any leftover exhaust insulation i'd wrap the muffler as well and use those clamps to secure it. Since you have an internal fuel tank

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Ive thought about it, however the tank only gets very slightly warm at the nearest point. Its not going to do anything at all to the tank. Everyone makes that comment and I think maybe some dont believe me, but its true. By the way, we are so close to 1000 subscribers, would you do us a huge favour and hit that sub button please.

[@jackturtle131]

What an outstanding job mate Cheers Jack Australia

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks Jack, glad you enjoyed it. Feel free to share and help me beg for more subscribers :D

[@jamest.5001]

I have been looking for something like these heaters . for my offgrid house. It's not a tiny house but still kinda small. And I do not use much heat . I'm guessing two would run me out of the place. I can use wood for the really cold times! I guess 15amps at 12 volts will be enough. Wouldnt it be cool if they generated their own power! That would be awesome! Something like a model turbine engine and a small generator. Use the heat from the turbine.. Great video..

[@wallacegrommet9343]

My Espar D2 has performed flawlessly over six years in my boat. Only now did I need to replace the inexpensive atomizer screen. Make sure your fuel is clean, and run a gallon of kerosene occasionally to clean out carbon buildup

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Good tip, thanks for that Wallace.

[@stuartgriffiths2284]

iv got 3 cheep chinese heaters i use NEVER had 1 problem with them

[@DonegalOverlanding]

That is great to hear Stuart, Hope they continue to work perfectly for you.

[@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat]

OPEN UP THEM AND LOOK INSIDE :d they not heating as much as new. unles you always used max temp

[@gnawershreth]

With all that cheap junk the concern is having no clue what you're going to get. One might work perfectly for 10 years and the next may die on day 5, you just have no idea about those Chinese knockoffs. That doesn't just go for diesel heaters either btw, it goes for pretty much everything. If anything breaks that can also cause a real issue since Chinese "companies" don't tend to be big on customer support or replacing stuff. You likely can't get it fixed locally either as no one really has a clue about what it is or who made it. I'd personally never trust cheap Chinese stuff when it comes to things like a diesel heater since it can potentially cause massive amounts of damage so it just isn't worth it to me. If it was a cheap Chinese action camera or whatever the potential damage caused would be minimal so that might be worth it. Are those Chinese ones even approved? In case your entire van burns down is it covered by the insurance?

[@ashy1423]

Gnawer Shreth Interesting question regarding insurance 🤔

[@tamistone2632]

Gnawer Shreth, your statement is filled with baseless fear, conjecture and hyperbole. Any competent mechanic with critical thinking skills can install or repair of these Chinese knockoffs. They come from the same Chinese factories that manufacture the European and Russian designed one’s. Don’t fool yourself, they’re all made in China, final assembly ‘might’ be done in Europe somewhere to claim “European built” status but everything is cast or produced in Asia.

[@hovermaster939]

Strong work

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks! Its still going great too :D

[@llew777]

by my experience a backup glo plug and fuel filter is a must can be stored in case thanks

[@MichaelEricMenk]

You should have taken Combustion air from the inside of the box, there by cooling the case.. You would then need two filters, but the first only needs to be a simple screen filter over the air intake to the box.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

The case doesnt get hot. I have said this repeatedly throughout the comments section.

[@mudpanther6079]

Anderson plug would work a treat with that tbf

[@felixcat9318]

I found myself thinking about putting a diesel heater in a box to use to heat a Caranex tailgate tent, so checked on YT and found your superb video! Your installation is outstanding, and you thoughtfully provide your viewers with all the details which they'd find helpful. It is particularly enjoyable to watch a meticulous installation, and yours really is superb, thank you for sharing your video.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thank you so much for the kind comments. The reason we created it is because we could not find one when we looked ourselves, so thought it would be a useful addition to youtube.

[@DRAGenDROP]

how long can you run the heater on 1 battery?, will the 12 volt battery hold for 1 night?, great video, thank you.

[@paulsehstedt6275]

Weldone video! Thumbs up!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks mate, did you hit that nice wee subscribe button and help us? :D

[@waynecoomer8248]

Hi Guys, thanks for the great video and information on how to install this heater. I have taken the plunge and ordered the heater but cant seem to find the accessories on the web. Are you please able to attach some links to follw to be able to purchase the same kit/accessories as what you guys have ordered?. Keep up the good work, your videos are really great

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Write down all the part numbers,we put them at the end of the video as you probably have already seen. Then send an email to [e-mail] and they will help you with your order. That is where we got all of our parts from, they are cheaper than Planar.co.uk and are honest, which is important. Good luck with your project!

[@WildTouring]

That's awesome, well done mate! I better not show the wife this, she'll want one! haha

[@DonegalOverlanding]

I feel a bit silly for not doing this before now. I have multiple sleeping bags, but no matter how warm they are it doesn't stop my face from being cold!

[@ClayArnall]

I apologize if you've answered this elsewhere but I didn't see it. Do you have a complete list of parts that you needed by chance? For example, I'm assuming that fuel tank didn't come with the heater? I think I'm going to build one of these and I appreciate this video.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Clayton, I put a list of all the extra parts I needed and the part numbers at 11:14 in the video. Hope that helps. Don't forget to sub please.

[@ClayArnall]

@@DonegalOverlanding ha okay thanks. I swear I saw it the first time I watched the video, but when I came back for a second watch, I must have shut it off right before then and couldn't remember where I saw the list. Thanks, and I already subbed last time :)

[@redman2751]

Love the idea of putting it in a box like that. Thanks for the video. What group are you apart of that talks about these. I work on the wabesto ones for my job as a Diesel truck technician. Like you say in the video make sure you run them in the summer months. We live in an area that doesn’t have a lot of cold MO this so almost every year we end up repairing them before it gets cold since almost none of the drivers run them in the summer months.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Jared, you're very welcome. The group I'm in that has huge discussions about heaters is called Chinese Diesel Heaters on facebook. There are plenty of Chinese ones that are running perfectly well, it is just difficult to know what you're going to get when ordering. So I don't want to say a Planar is for everyone, if you don't want to spend that bit more then don't, join that group and glean as much information there about individual models and reduce your risk. Feel free to sub to this channel, we have loads more videos to upload!

[@snufte]

I will make this! I have a van, and I want to keep it as a van, but with possibilities to camp in it. This would be genious to bring on trips anywhere. But I dont have any ideas on how to get heat INTO the car without having any doors open. You know, to keep the weather out of the vehicle. Any ideas? Easier to just install it into the car as it is supposed to?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

I have seen people use a wooden or metal board, about 20 high. Shaped to fit their window opening. Then they cut a hole in it just big enough to fit the hot air pipe. They usually put an adapter in there for the hose to connect to.

[@snufte]

@@DonegalOverlanding Thanks!

[@atommachine]

Whats the longest you can have the hot air pipe to the tent as i would like to run one though my van window so 3 mtrs ? is that to long.. thankyou for the great video.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

You can have it 3m long no problem at all. You will lose a bit of heat through the pipe of course, but these heaters are so hot it wont matter. I would suggest putting some waterproof insulation around the hose, that way the air coming out the end will be a lot hotter and you could turn the heater down and save a little fuel.

[@atommachine]

@@DonegalOverlanding Thankyou for your reply and expertise much appreciated .

[@datguy2730]

Nice work!

[@jtothew4201]

Chinese one is the same you just done yourself out of a load of money. Should add I love the idea though and very nicely done.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks. I dont feel I done myself out of anything. If you see my reply in the pinned post you will see a detailed explanation. Only the deluded would think a £140 heater is the same as this.

[@charlietownsley9026]

Great video, I was just wondering if you felt it would be possible to build a battery into it to make it stand alone?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Charlie, thank you. Absolutely you could build a battery into it so its stand alone. Thats actually one of the reasons I got such a big case. I was just having this discussion today on a facebook group where this video was shared. Throw us a sub if you please.

[@tituspullo9210]

Great video. Well thought out installation. Please can you tell me how it has held up? Is there any overheating issues, melting, etc., or is it all holding up well?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks. Everything is just as perfect as it was when it was built. We have used it for hundreds of hours now too. Despite everyone commenting to the contrary, this was all approved by Planar (Now Autoterm) technical support before we built it. All of the minimum distances were kept.

[@geltecmail]

Could use a ceramic tape for the exhaust wrap too. May protect more from heat in box.

[@deezlpwer07]

Hello from Alaska great video very well done. Could you elaborate a little more as to why you put the fuel tank inside the case? I am not critiquing I only have some concern about the muffler that is not insulated and so close to the tank? Again thank you for this awesome video

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks Christopher. We spoke with the Planar technical support team about being able to put the fuel tank in there with the muffler inside the case. They said it would be no problem at all. The reason for putting it inside is simple, its easy to move it around and store it with everything protected inside the case. With the fuel tank on the outside it is highly likely to be damaged. Not everyone goes off-road, but we do all the time and it can be very rough. The side of the fuel tank is only very slightly warm to touch after hours on full heat, so there is absolutely no chance that it would melt or cause any problems.

[@polswan2551]

great job paddy¡¡

[@drewjohn6847]

China cops a bad wrap for products but there are some extremely good quality items made in China, its just who makes it, in a few yrs you will have no choice where things come from, everything will be chinese made, and for good reason, they are smart, have low production cost and will make ANYTHING we want them to under instruction from the designer, a huge amount of military equipment is made there and is great quality.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

No doubt that some exceptional products are made in China. To confirm what we already said in previous replies, we have no issue with Chinese products in general. We have a problem with cheap Chinese products that have fake safety labels and are such poor quality that they are not only not fit for purpose, but also potentially lethal.

[@byebye9785]

I watched your video with interest, as I'm thinking about getting a Chinese heater for my RV. I have a Dometic TEC30D onboard generator, made in Germany, sporting a range of genuine safety accreditation marks. I could've bought a decent secondhand motorhome for what it cost me. The core product is an excellent piece of technology, very well engineered. But the ancillaries are the cheapest, nastiest bunch of components you could hope never to see on anything you'd pay for! I've spent a year replacing exhaust and fuel components as they failed in turn. At one point it even asphyxiated itself on it's own exhaust leak and needed a new air filter to give it the kiss of life. Fortunately I have an American RV and installed it in a basement locker opposite the original twin cylinder beast and there were no low ventilation intakes anywhere near it, as I'd imagine that could've easily been fatal.

[@3Mudbone1]

Maybe YOU will have no choice. Some of us wont buy that JUNK, and there will ALWAYS be non-Chinese things made. Nice try justifying buying everything from china since you are so poor.

[@drewjohn6847]

@@3Mudbone1 bahahaha, that is possibly the most un educated thing I have EVER read, ill make sure we post it on our site...since you are so wealthy, do you drive, do you ride, do you live in a house, do you have a toaster, a fridge, a tv, a radio, a computer, a phone, furniture, have clothes, a dryer, eat spices/herbs, use shampoo, conditioner, use string, rope, chain, machinery, pens, pencils, batteries, nuts and bolts, tyres, etc etc etc, I really could go on, but even you with that incredibly tiny mind understands that iff you have ANY of these products, the chances are you bought Chinese, please go ahead and make something up to try and gain back a little respect, or just hang your head in shame and think how ridiculous you are...lol...

[@grannieannie1371]

My concern with some of the cheaper Chinese products is their lack of warranty and legal accountability when things go wrong. And things go wrong with all products not just Chinese ones.

[@bobculbreath8428]

Great job, very professional. Got some great takeaways for my install. Can you please tell me what the draw rate is on the 12 volt system. I plan on using and external battery back up unit for my 12 volt supply. Thanks

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Bob, thanks for the kind words. We are not sure of the amp draw as we never measured it. Our vehicle is in tue garage being turned into an overland camper so we do not have access to test it. The specs will be online though for it. It doesnt use much when running, it uses a bit more at startup whennits using the glowplugs. So we stopped using the automatic thermostatically controlled mode where it tirned on and off to regulate temperature, and just have it running the entire time on whatever power setting matched the conditions. That way it uses very little power.

[@richardmitchell2274]

I've got a proper eberspacher heater for my truck it is good got a digital display and everything but they are expensive than £1,000 I don't even have to have it halfway on he gets so hot:-)

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Eber make awesome heaters too, the Eber, Webasto and Planar are all fantastic heaters and Id highly recommend any one of those without hesitation.

[@benjaminmagee9427]

I like your logical thinking. If I were to copy your project but use the cheap Chinese 5 kw heater, do you reckon I would be in much danger if it went wrong since it’s an isolated box outside the vehicle? Some of the cheap Chinese ones that you decided to pass on for the risks cost only about 100 bucks. Which after looking at them for a while, come with their long list of drawbacks but i am a little keen to try it as an inexpensive experiment

[@DonegalOverlanding]

I do not think that you should not go for a Chinese heater if its the limit of your budget. It was only a personal choice to go for better quality, the main reason being that throughout our lives pretty much anywhere we went cheap meant we had to buy a quality version later. Having a Chinese $100 heater that works is vastly better than having no heater because a Planar/Eberspacher/Webasto is too expensive and you don't have one. So Id say give it a go and see how you get on. If you do, post back and let us know how you get on. This video has the most amount of thumbs down of all our videos, and thats mostly because people who bought the Chinese heaters did not like our criticism of them. That's fair enough, everyone has an opinion. If it works for you, that is all that matters.

[@benjaminmagee9427]

@@DonegalOverlanding Just purchased mine and now looking for a slightly cheaper box to copy the build :) , do you find that it's important what orientation you place your box? For example, in the video you have it the longest side of the rectangular box, vertical when you show it on the vehicle running, but could also place it and run it on the roof of the car in the orientation that most of the video is shot during your assembly?

[@vickipirie9426]

That’s the set up I need, could you use a jackery 500 to power it ?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

It depends on the output of the Jackery. I would think it would work, but you need to look at the specs. There is a bit of draw when it starts and stops.

[@Die-sel13136]

U know what? Fkn great video!!! say hi to Donal!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks. Who is Donal?

[@GHTOVERLAND]

Super helpful video, thanks for posting. Are you aware how cold will this setup work for?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks. I am not sure of the exact temperatures, I would expect it to be very useful in very cold climates as Planar is a Russian company and all of the heaters are manufactured there, the Russians know about cold weather!

[@24ZEN]

Neat idea!

[@damianoverlander6766]

Nice job! tell me how long is going to run on 1 litre diesel

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Depends on how hard you run it. 1 litre would last me about 6 hours at a guess. Its only 80c a litre for green/red agricultural diesel so amazing value for money. Would love a sub as we are nearing 1000 and need help. Thanks

[@diegosauda9596]

i would insulate the silencer / muffler there is too much eat going in and out the radiated heat can damage with time the tank of fuel ,or viceversa stick an insulatedmuffler adesive on the tank that same used on motorcycle under the rear seat to preserve abs plastics from exhaust temps,and pasengerfrom gettin too much heat on their rear end.

[@reidnichol9255]

It would have been better to cut off the exhaust exit fitting so the pipe was a straight on connection and also install lower it. Pushing the exhaust up hill is a very bad idea. The pipe and muffler will fill up with condensate. Other than being knowledgeable enough to understand that there is nothing wrong with 99% of the Chinese heaters, this was a good video. Having more money than brains often confuses people into believing they are very clever.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

First thing to note, do not be rude. Your snide remark at the end was not necessary. Second thing to note, if you are going to criticise something, get your facts accurate. The exhaust is not being pushed up hill, it is in fact going down hill. We are fully aware of condensate and as the exhaust is going down, and also because the length is very small, there is no condensate. As mentioned multiple times, this was built having consulted with Planar and we discussed condensate with them and they said it would not happen with this design, and they are correct, because its been used for over 20 months without any.

[@tjvance78]

@@DonegalOverlanding Thank you sir, I've searched the internet for this, because I'm installing one in a similar configuration and was worried about it being above the heater a bit.

[@stuart8taylor]

Thank you for the comprehensive video that clearly shows the intent behind the layout and housing decisions. I have been pondering which diesel heater manufacturer to go with, and I will admit the price of the Chinese models is very tempting, but it is a long term investment and I want to get it right. Do you have a link to/name of the FB group that you mentioned? Thanks in advance.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

No link but just type "Chinese Diesel Heater" in facebook and it will be there. A huge group.

[@stuart8taylor]

@@DonegalOverlanding thanks, I will give it a look

[@noworriesmate8287]

Let us know how mounting the plastic fuel container works out install by the muffler. And how well the muffler works out in a plastic case.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

It works perfectly. Its been commented on so many times with people saying ti will melt etc. However they are wrong. The tank only just gets very slightly warm, as in a fraction warmer than the outside temperature. Thats with the heater being on full power for hours and hours. This is not a cheap and nasty plastic case, its a high quality product with a high melting point. There is a marine fitment to protect the case where the exhaust comes out. The case in is perfect condition after over a year of use.

[@ddesilva61]

Did you not have trouble with heat buildup from mounting the muffler in there?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Darren, people ask all the time about that. I made a video, its very short, that covers it in detail, with temperature readings on the muffler, on the fuel tank etc while in use to show what its like. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKKbhZ2GoJhmfdU

[@yvairguy]

where's the return air/inlet to the heater? you want to recirculate the air, each pass the air get warmer....

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Jeff, I decided not to go with that arrangement, though I understand your thinking. The tent is such a small area and it can be sealed so tight, that I didnt want the same air recirculated all the time otherwise Id have to leave one of the doors open. These heaters are so efficient and the diesel so cheap (About 80c for green/red agricultural diesel) that I am not bothered about heating fresh cold air every time. I always have the heater on low once Ive settled into bed or it will be too hot anyway.

[@operator8014]

@@DonegalOverlanding - I was thinking that having the heater intake that near to the exhaust would result in a lot of carbon monoxide getting heated and fed to you while you sleep. Recirculating the air would overcome that completely. Might be worth grabbing a CO detector and just checking if this concern is well-founded at all.

[@samstripy1187]

With a tent/camper setup you DO NOT want re-circulated air, that is the primary cause of excessive condensation and people need to stop telling people to re-circulate air in their heating setups unless you want to be toweling down your tent/camper every morning. Yes you end up with warmer air for less cost but you also end up with excessive condensation/mould growth...you want fresh air being circulated in.

[@babuddha]

Speaking of heating oil leaking inside your box, there is prolly a hole in the "bottom" of your muffler to spill any unburned oil that gets that far.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

There is no hole in it. Its totally sealed.

[@saschabiber5549]

In the manual, the air intakte should point downwards. Any reason or problems having it upwards?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

The cold air intake that will be heated to provide hot air, is actually slightly downwards, though there is absolutely no reason why it could not horizontal. The unit sucks in the cold air, it would not make any difference what way the pipe was, especially when its only about 15cm long.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

If you are asking about the combustion air intake, then yes, downwards is the ideal option, but we wanted to have the filter in place, so we put it up high. The most important part of doing it this way, is to ensure there is not a sharp bend in the pipe, which we have avoided easily, and that you drill a small hole at the lowest part of the pipe of about 3mm in diameter.

[@3dmixer552]

You are supposed to circulate the heated air from inside the tent.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

No, you are not "supposed" to do anything, you do whatever suits the application in mind. It is a terrible idea to recirculate the air from inside the tent because the amount of condensation means you will wake up totally soaked in moisture.. We experimented to test that theory and the entire tent, including the 100mm foam mattress had to be dried out in the morning.

[@3dmixer552]

@@DonegalOverlanding Keep heating the cold air is even more terrible idea. " because the amount of condensation means you will wake up totally soaked" That is exactly the point. If you circulate the inside air the heater will dry the condensation. Daaaa

[@wendlik]

Is it really a good idea to place a fuel tank in closed case without ventilation? I mean, the heat inside will constantly grow until...you know, fire and everything..?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

There is another vent that we didn't put in when we made the video. Its exactly the same as the one you see covering the cold air intake. The hole saw we used in the video was one of those cheap and nasty things and it was difficult to use without making a mess of the case as it kept flexing. So later once we got ourselves a solid hole saw of the correct diameter, we made another hole and fitted the additional vent. We always planned to have a vent to allow the hot air out, we ordered that at the same time we ordered everything. I wish I had mentioned this in the video actually.

[@Samuel10463]

How hot will it get inside of a case with muffler being enclosed in it??? Will the electronics of the heater survive the temperature inside?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Agent 404, that is a question that has been asked by many people. Before I put this together, I spoke with Planar technical department in Russia and explained to them my idea. I specifically asked about the temperature inside the case considering that I would have the muffler inside the case. They said this would be no problem at all. I have tested the inside of the case a few times, even after 6 hours on full heat, the inside of the case was about 25c (77f). I know this is quite hard to believe as the muffler would be hot, but its not having the impact everyone is thinking. While I am here, would really appreciate if you would share the video and sub to the channel to help us grow. Thanks.

[@JimLahey21]

Are you running this with lid open? Otherwise It’s going to get brutally hot in that box, maybe a inlet for small power supply fan and outlet for the heat to get out

[@DonegalOverlanding]

No, it doesnt get brutally hot, or even hot at all. Its been like this, for well over a year and its only ever warm in there. Been through this a number of times in the comments. There is so much space in there that it is able to cool easily.

[@JimLahey21]

@Donegal Overlanding ok it must get very cold over yonder, it would cook the case in winter in Australia, the heat from the silencer, radiant heat from the heater ducts needs to be absorbed into your plastic box... not trying to be a dick hole but a fan would be a cheap investment, but if it works don’t fix it but I would recommend anyone that isn’t in snow in winter to put a ventilation system in, 12v power supply fan with a vent to let air in or out with a matching hole depending on your fan

[@shenkerfamily1907]

When not in use and stored flat so that the case opens up, does the fuel cap stay dry or does it weep through the air hole?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi there, I never ever store it flat because there is a chance that the fuel could come out of the breather hole. Its not even an issue like you may imagine. It has to be sat in some position, so upright it is. Would really appreciate if you took the time to sub to our channel, we are hoping to try and grow it and need as much help from as many people as possible.

[@realvanman1]

I'd think to duct the cool air intake from the tent as well, rather than having to heat cold outside air.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

No, its better pulling in cold air. Read comments below its been answered many times.

[@realvanman1]

Ok, found it, thanks. Those answers make perfect sense. Very nice work on the unit BTW.

[@tlw8886]

Nice presentation! By chance can you link to where you purchased the additional items to complete your kit? I'm US based and so far having some difficulties finding a source for many of those over here. Thank you.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi, its from here. This is their USA shop. Just contact them with the parts numbers, which I listed on screen in the video, and they will be able to help you out. www.ebay.co.uk/str/xenonukstore/AUTOTERM-USA/_i.html?_storecat=2985572419

[@tlw8886]

@@DonegalOverlanding Appreciate it. I think you have mentioned that you've not done any mods to the initial build in previous responses. Is that still the case? Additionally, I'm about to build my unit up based pretty much on your video and I wanted to ask if the Planar folks include the case clearance dimensions with the unit or did you have to get those specifically from Planar? If you still have them would you be willing to share those with us? Sorry for all the haters.. It's a sad commentary on what is happening on social media and of course YT isn't immune at all. Cheers.

[@55afishead]

You really need a workbench. Great video BTW.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks Mike. Yeah we seriously need a workbench. This table is the table we use camping! Throw us a sub if youre feeling kind please.

[@55afishead]

You got it!

[@janner1596]

Where was it made? china perhaps? same machine with a different label and price to match

[@DonegalOverlanding]

It was made in Russia. Not China. This has been answered previously.

[@capttzuzu]

I thank you for the video I do have a question I live in the states was planning on heading to New Mexico during the winter time the desert gets very cold at night where I'll be staying it can drop down to 2 degrees Fahrenheit I have a short School Bus 4 window I need to heat a 5-foot by 8 foot area do you think this could Heat?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi, yes a 2kW heater would have absolutely no problem at all heating that size of area. It can heat a much larger area actually.

[@2675gordo]

Capttzuzu if ur school bus doesnt have some kind of insulation u may consider getting a 5k heater instead of a 2k. Good luck.

[@bridgendesar]

@@2675gordo And you can always turn down the 5kw, but you can't turn up a 2kw so to speak!

[@MrjackieG]

What makes you think this is not a re-branded Chinese heater imported into Latvia?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Because it's manufactured in Russia by Autoterm. I was provided the heater by Autoterm themselves.

[@brrryyyyce]

I'm trying to figure out whether the case I have is deep enough. The interior dimensions of the B&W 6800 you used are 23 x 16.1 x 11.6 inches. If I'm not mistaken, you've fit the fuel tank and the heater within those 11.6 inches in your build. How much space is there between your fuel tank and the heater? The case I'm thinking of using is only 9.2 inches deep and I wonder if that's enough space?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

The heater is about 15mm clear from the back of the case. The fuel tank is intentionally in position so that it comes up flush with the closed lid. Two reasons for that, one is so that there is as much space between the tank and the heater, the second is so that it sticks out when the case is open meaning its very easy to fill the fuel tank up. The space between the tank and the heater is exactly 40mm. I just put shoes on, found the measuring tape and then went out through the rain into the garage to measure that for you, so hit us up with a sub if you have not already! :D

[@brrryyyyce]

Haha... many thanks. My case will be too tight to position things the way you did, but I think I've figured it out. I'm probably going to rotate my case 90º and then have the heater at the top and, since my case is so long, I'll probably be able to use the 13 L fuel tank at the bottom. The interior dimensions of the used Pelican 1670 case I picked up are 28.10 x 16.49" x 9.19". I figure that the heater needs about 15" space to account for the minimum spacing required in front and behind it, so the 16.5' width of the case should be good.

[@brrryyyyce]

The 13 L fuel tank is about 18.5" high and with the required clearances on top and bottom, the heater will take about 8" at the top of the case. So, I should have plenty of room to spare.

[@finnblu3002]

Donegal Overlanding 🤙

[@Mattmillerhahaha]

Do these heaters create condensation like propane heaters? We have a condensation problem and we want dry heat

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Matt, hopefully I can help explain this. They do not create condensation the same way propane heaters do as this just blows hot dry air into the tent. However, if you have a single skin tent, like we have on our roof tent, then the temperature difference between the canvas on the inside and the outside will be huge and that will cause condensation from your breath. Tomorrow Im about to install an anti-condensation mat which hopefully will solve the problem. I'm creating a video review of that so if you sub to the channel you can see that too.

[@danielrudilille]

You should be using a strait thru" muffler, not that one, then you get 2-3dB extra noise reduction. Nice video anyway, thanks.

[@moz911]

Just wondering doesn't the box get too hot from having the muffler in the box with no cold air to cool it down, looks like an accident waiting to happen.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

We checked with Planar technical support in relation to this and they said it would not be a problem. We have another air vent not shown in the video that allows the hot air to escape to the outside. Even before the addition of the air vent it was only ever just slightly warm inside the box even running at full power for over 6 hours straight.

[@moz911]

If you were to drill a couple of 3mm holes in the small engine inlet pipe it would create a vacuum in the case forcing cold air in and keep it cooler, being plastic I think eventually the area near the muffler will melt away after time, I would be also wrapping the muffler with fireproof insulation felt/blanket.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

The muffler is not near any plastic. It is suspended in the middle of the case. The case is good until 80c and the plastic is barely above room temperature.

[@DriverDriver-wz5if]

Webasto heater most best in the world

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Webasto sure make good heaters, Eberspacher also mage good heaters. They are the same quality as this Planar unit, except the Planar unit is way better value. Did you hit subscribe? Smash that button for us!

[@DriverDriver-wz5if]

@@DonegalOverlanding all wechle in our army goth webaso diesel heater with timer or termostat greatings from Serbia

[@besimplebeweird9140]

Diesel plastic tank in a confine space with an exhaust pipe that close and if the temperature gets too hot the diesel has a flash point of 125F to 205F. Maybe I’m missing something here?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

The temperature inside the case is only slightly warm, maybe 25c. The temperature on the surface of the plastic tank is about 22-23c after being on full power for over 6 hours.

[@besimplebeweird9140]

Okay now I understand I didn’t what temperature would be in the box when is operation. Thanks for your response

[@jeffseim1608]

Hello! How was this setup worked for you? I have purchased a heater and want to build something like this. I also have a rooftop tent and want to winter camp.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Hi Jeff, it has worked out just exactly as we had hoped. It has been very reliable, efficient and has had no issues at all. Its so good that many of our friends have also bought heaters in a box. It truly is a game changer. We hads tried many solutions, electric blankets, hot water bottles, high rated sleeping bags, but none of it compares to going to bed and the whole tent is hot. Just make sure you leave the doors open a bit to allow moisture to escape. Because of the massively increased temperature differential between the inside of the canvas against the outside, it makes condensation a real problem if you dont allow good airflow.

[@raphantaraphanta4152]

¡¡GREAT!!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thank you.

[@robsteve7043]

An excellent video my only complaint is the annoying music

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Thanks Rob. Its never easy to find music that suits everyone's tastes unfortunately. Even harder to get stuff that's not going to have problems with copyright.

[@drivewasher]

Do you not need to draw the air intake from the tent? your'e just pushing hot air taken from outside, you can't put air into a sealed area or at least flow air through one

[@DonegalOverlanding]

The windows are open in the tent. Its not sealed. I want fresh air in always. Recirculating the air makes condensation much worse and youre not getting fresh oxygen rich air to breath.

[@drivewasher]

@@DonegalOverlanding Thanks, We have buses with similar heaters underneath and they draw air from the saloon heat it and push it back in, just recirculates it really

[@AJB2K3]

Though of the day: Could a pelter be fitted between the air inlet and exaust outlet (considering how close they are) to generate electricity?

[@etprecisionmachine2379]

Of course a Peltier device could be used to get energy from the exhaust. But not much energy could be extracted because of the poor efficiency of Peltier devices. Furthermore, cooling the exhaust too much very close to the combustion chamber will tend to cause the combustion temp to be too low which leads to inefficient combustion and soot buildup. Better to extract any heat from the exhaust further from the heater and use the heat for water or even use another heat exchanger to heat air.

[@AJB2K3]

@@etprecisionmachine2379 thanks for answering.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Apologies for the delay, Ive been very busy the last few weeks. Im glad they answered too as it saved me googling to see what a peltier device is! Throw us a sub please if you have not already done so. Chasing 1000 subs.

[@AJB2K3]

@@DonegalOverlanding done and done.

[@tdavieez]

Just wondering , does the heat of the exhaust affect the plastic box at the outlet ?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

No, there is a marine exhaust fitting there which is designed to go through the hull of a boat. The plastic around it does not even get warm at all.

[@T3_travels]

Hi buddy. Have you got a link for the part that the exhaust pipe runs through the side of the box? Or what they are called?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

I put a parts list at the end of the video. Its Exhaust adapter for yachts, ASSY 2385. Hope that helps.

[@T3_travels]

@@DonegalOverlanding perfect. Thanks.

[@JohnWick-zx4mp]

Brilliant, have you thought about mass-producing?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Im too lazy for that! Honestly I have zero mechanical skills or engineering skills. I just asked Planar tech team a lot of questions and then built it following their advice in safe distances between parts etc. If I can do this, then anyone can.

[@dumyjobby]

nice rolex

[@chickadeebb8005]

Not a Rolex. On a Rolex Daytona the subdials at 3 and 9 are slightly above the center of the dial. If you draw a line from 3 to 9 on his watch, the line would go directly through the center of the subdials. But it's still a nice-looking watch.

[@jamest.5001]

Hey! I just subbed!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Cheers James, thanks very much!

[@enquire422]

Everything is made in China, it depends on how much you want to spend and whenever or not you read the instructions!

[@DonegalOverlanding]

Tahir Rana its not made in China. Its made in Russia.

[@gnawershreth]

Yes, but not nearly to the same standards. European brands get approved, they need to live up to certain standards, they need to be tested, they come with a warranty that the company *has* to live up to etc. Chinese junk off Ebay is at times no better than if your friend had made it at home in his garage out of the cheapest parts he could find. You have no way of knowing if it's even safe or tested. The problem is the lack of testing, safety, consistency and reliability with the cheap Chinese stuff. You have no idea what you're getting. You could be one of the success stories where it works fine for 10 years, or you could be one of those stories where it stopped working after a single camping trip. Even when a European company gets their stuff produced in China, it still has to go through the same testing, meet the same standards etc. I wouldn't get a cheap Chinese diesel heater, water boiler or any potentially dangerous product, I wouldn't mind getting a cheap Chinese action camera, microphone or whatever though as them potentially failing wouldn't be a safety concern.

[@djrichardgrant]

@@gnawershreth Couldn't agree more.

[@MrPlasma01]

Hi, could you tell me if the combustion air intake is supplied in the kit. Thanks from Kilkenny.

[@DonegalOverlanding]

MrPlasma01 it comes with the silencer. I had to buy that external filter you can see on top of the box. The shop in the link sold me all the parts. Im not s7re what the price was but I think around 20-25 or thereabouts.

[@16vastraturbo]

2 litres was that at full power hot hot

[@DonegalOverlanding]

After much more use it uses around 1.2l for a full night of around 9 hours.

[@bobl78]

I don´t like the fuel tank inside the box because it´s a fire hazard if something does wrong...also use a CO warning device in the tent in case it sucks in the exhaust... these things spill out a huge amount of CO

[@DonegalOverlanding]

I feel you are wrong on that. I spoke with the technical department at Planar regarding each element of this design. The fuel is diesel, its not explosive in the same way as petrol. I do have a CO alarm in the tent. Wouldnt take a chance with that.

[@bobl78]

that is true but let´s asume a fire starts within the heater for whatever reason due to a malfunction, it´s not so good to have 5 liters of diesel on top of it.. of course it will not explode in a big fireball but 5 liters of diesel will burn at some stage

[@DonegalOverlanding]

@@bobl78 yeah I suppose that is true. I am not sure that it is very likely that a fire would start in the heater though. Of course anything is possible, but its extremely unlikely. The advantages of having the tank in there, nice and safe from damage is more important to me than the tiny chance a fire breaks out. You have to take into account this is used in a modified 4x4, everything inside gets bumped about a lot and having the tank mounted externally would expose it to damage.

[@clarkspiemuncher24]

what model case did you use please ?

[@DonegalOverlanding]

B-W International Outdoor Case Type 6800. Im fairly sure thats in the description with a link, and also mentioned in the video.