Diesel vs hybrid rv towing! Chevy Silverado vs Ford F-150 Hybrid

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Make sure you check out our empty truck 100 mile loop test as well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnTWhGaHhd2Wfbc

[@DJDblR]

I recently purchased the 2021 F150 H limited. I'm averaging about 23.4 mpg. My hwy speed is usually around 72 mph. And my city hwy split is usually around 5 city and 25 hwy. I thought about getting a diesel but cost per year on fuel + amenities/features made the f150 a no-brainer for me. Keep up the great videos!

[@teter129]

I love TFL Truck, but man, you are rapidly becoming a contender in that space. Been following your Tundra vids, but then I get sucked into your other content. Well done bro!

[@jbjlock26]

Unless they’ve changed it, dropping the Chevy shifter into L gives you manual control and shows what gear you’re in. I find that having a diesel for towing has the additional advantage of being able to pull into a truck stop for fuel. Much easier to maneuver! Adding equalizer bars to that combination will put more weight back onto your front wheels and stability should improve.

[@bobhirdes6725]

Yes, GM'S trucks still have Range Selection mode that allow you to down shift from a higher gear when towing and select a gear you transmission can go up to and no further until you push the plus sign to go to the next gear.

[@markreams3192]

With a trailer that size on a half ton pickup you should really use weight distribution and sway control. That explains your sway over 60mph.

[@maxxtraxx04]

Speeding with a trailer isn’t a problem :)

[@bookooc5605]

I was thinking the same thing at the start of the video when he said he was getting sway. What?! Then I remembered he hadn't said he was using a WDH. Anything over 4K I am using a WDH.

[@JoeFidler]

@@bookooc5605 WDH? What do you recommend?

[@jesserevilla992]

Excellent comparison. Really appreciate actual trials like this. We call it Dry-Weight; when RV is stock from factory. If i were towing 50% of the time. I'd be in a Duramax otherwise I'd go F150 Hybrid. Love the idea i can use the truck as a small gen while dry-camping.

[@joe1071]

Small generator?

[@bretmarstellar603]

The truest statement ever uttered for a turbocharged gas engine: "You can have the eco, or you can have the boost- you can't have both."

[@gpmike02]

Just recently switched from an ecoboost to the 3.0 duramax. Had the cam phasers go out twice in six years on the ecoboost. Loving the duramax so far. Great fuel economy, towing power and smooth ride

[@nathanriggins5271]

Trailers in general were not/are not designed to be towed fast. The fastest I tow is 65, no matter what. I have only had one trailer tire failure and a vehicle flat when a stick punctured it in 20 years. The biggest issue is people want to drive balls out doing everything and then complain that stuff breaks or the don't get decent MPG's.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Agreed. I got this trailer up to 65, but with the wind, I slowed down. Better to be driving safely IMO.

[@leeannbowser3068]

A person with commonsense thankyou

[@darrenstibbard6773]

Agreed. Be interesting to know how much wind impact increases with 65 vs 60 but I know from experience it’s noticeable nonetheless

[@poostang3798]

Great job,, Tim! I ordered my F150 back in November and am still waiting for the build to be scheduled. Keep the awesome videos coming!

[@Twistedoff2]

I went through this same dilemma and went with the Ford. There are pros and cons to each but for me the Ford won out. I did get the 7.2Kw generator and it's amazing. As far as fuel economy, the only offset there is the fuel cost difference and maintenance difference. The good thing is you can't go wrong with either one.

[@cjpearceja]

Don’t like not knowing what gear you’re currently in or what your transmission is doing. I like how your Ford has that.

[@CarlosGonzales-we6ty]

Move the shifter from drive to L and you’ll see your gears

[@cjpearceja]

@@CarlosGonzales-we6ty yeah always ways to do it but just like how the Ford has it all the time.

[@RiggyRonnie]

That’s why you get a manual transmission, you can feel what it’s doing

[@Bradimus1]

I have the feature but all you need is RPMs and speed. What gear the auto is in is not helping me make any decisions.

[@cjpearceja]

@@Bradimus1 right, all I’m saying is it’s nice to look down and see the transmission indicator go through gears. Not that I need it because I don’t know what I’m doing.

[@iBANGgears]

I like owning a $1,000 Honda generator that is reliable/easy to fix/able to buy a new one for $1,000 if it breaks rather than using my $65,000 truck as a generator...with that being said it’s definitely a very cool/convenient option for quick projects like using a power tool once in a while

[@richardjessop6029]

That generator does not give you near the power of the truck tho

[@44beebe]

Comparable honda generator is going to be $4,500. It's portable but super heavy and takes up a ton of room in your truck bed. It's also louder, can't run nearly as long without running out of fuel, and has its own fuel, oil, and battery to keep maintained. This Ford is a gamechanger and certainly the other manufacturers will copy it before long. The ford option is also only $750 on the hybrid. So the only advantage a honda portable would have is its more portable.

[@iBANGgears]

@@44beebe A. I would NEVER in my life pay $70,000 for a half ton pickup truck. (I’ll keep driving my $1,500 7.3 diesel until the economy falls apart due to inflation) B. 2 - $1,000 Honda eu2200 will produce comparable power, are light weight and designed for that specific application. Lastly you’re going to have to change the oil based on running hours whether it’s the pick up truck OR generator...

[@44beebe]

@@iBANGgears wow a $1,000 honda generator will produce 7,200 watts? lol. I guess you're referring to the hybrid generator that comes standard on all hybrid f-150s. You do know after rebates you can get the hybrid with 7200 watt generator for nearly $40,000 even in a crew cab 4x4? Andre at TFL truck preordered a crewcab hybrid with 7.2 kw generator with fx4 package and paid a little under $50k with no rebates. I regularly see 12-15k rebates in my area at certain times of the year. I'm not saying you should buy a $50,000 truck just for the generator option, but for all the people that already buy a new truck it's a great option to have. I know if I had it i'd be GLAD to get rid of my 4200 watt generator and use the truck instead.

[@jameshalbirt5807]

Such a silly statement. If you lose inverter or even hybrid, you still have a Ecoboost , also as someone else stated , it’s 4500 for a comparable Honda, and you have to carry gas, and as an owner of one it’s louder, and you have a chance of it being stolen, and you have to carry it, and it’s massive. The inverter/hybrid system on the Ford is under warranty

[@andyjackson7475]

Pull the shift lever to L and it will show the gear you're in. You can shift manually then, too!

[@powderriver2424]

I like the Ford I think the 3.5 has proved a great engine it’s just thirsty I also like this inline diesel from GM the 13 mpg is about what I’ve seen from another guys video with his RV. and I like that because when your out on long distance trips such as cross country the more time I can stay on the road and less time fueling that’s a win win for me.

[@jbjlock26]

Fueling the Chevy at truckstops when towing is an added benefit, especially in congested urban areas.

[@deanartall6315]

I’ve had the Silverado3.0 for 16 months and the mileage is crazy good. Overall fuel mileage @28,000 miles just under 29.6 towing a 6300 dry 27’ toy hauler but mostly a grocery getter. Not a single issue. Full door to door highway unladen I’ve gotten mid 40’s.

[@darrylbrown1]

Your channel and content on the f150 hybrid is exactly what I need to make a decision. Thank you! I also like that you call out you bought the f150 for your channel and evaluation purposes. I feel like I’m getting the real talk.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yep, I don't do BS. Only real talk here. :)

[@tedfox2683]

2008 Toyota Tundra 5.7 4wd. I have been towing my 35’ 10k lbs. keystone outback RV for a couple of years now and at this time my Tundra has 207k miles on it. No problems at all. The only thing I added to the truck was KYB rear shocks and installed a add-a-leaf spring.

[@higherlifts420]

You never mentioned mpg's

[@Chris-L-sr]

My 2018 trunda with the 5.7 towing a 33 forest river alpha wolf 27 rkl travel trailer gets between 9and 9.5 and that's towing normal ,no racing around,,just driving,,, tt weights 6550 empty

[@specforged5651]

Just a little FYI. It’s a hell of a lot easier to measure to the wheel-well when measuring squat. No bending of tapes to try and get an accurate reading and even more importantly not scratching the paint!😂 Thank you for your reviews. Keep up the good work!

[@darrenstibbard6773]

That generator feature on the Ford really opens up the possibilities. It makes the truck just that much more useable. I’m sure everyone will be adding similar features soon. I’d take the power feature over the slightly better mileage though.

[@joe1071]

Same. The generator is just so functional in so many ways, and I only tow my travel trailer occasionally so minimal differences in fuel economy are negligible

[@mxer652]

The generator feature is definitely a game changer. Although I do have to note that my personal 3.0 duramax has zone lighting and also when you plug your trailer in it has the light check you can tap on the center screen as well the my chevy app you can do it as well. The RST you tested may not have had those options.

[@danman5857]

The generator is a game changer indeed, but lots of times one might leave the wife and kids with the camper for a day or two while you go and put in a shift at work or be gone from the campsite with the truck and there's no generator at the camper. Battery power gets you by for awhile, but for me, I'm ok with the portable generator.

[@SCARFACE69247]

@@danman5857 I didn't think about that. Hmm

[@KidDexxx]

@@danman5857 that's what batteries are for, cheap batteries that you can charge with the generator or the solar for when youre gone.

[@MADDOG100ful]

@@danman5857 exactly the little hondas can be used everywhere and dont steal your payload.

[@tylergamester2179]

This is EXACTLY the video I wanted to see. Thank you sir

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

You are welcome!

[@waltbowman23]

Great video Tim! The only thing I would add would be the difference between regular gas and diesel prices and coming up with some type of fuel equalizer program to give viewers a better picture of the actual cost to run each vehicle.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Too many variables really for a straight comparison.

[@jakelee5456]

GM had a two-mode hybrid back in like 2009. It had a 6.0 V8 with a four-speed auto that had two electric motors in the transmission housing. They did the mild hybrid in 2017 like Ram's 2019 eTorque.

[@alexanderspenser4960]

The 2Mode Hybrid was available 2009 thru '13 only on the Tahoe, Yukon, & Escalade short WB. Talked to a GMC engineer trying to understand why the Silverado & Sierra Hybrids were only marketed in limited markets and never came with a 8' bed, which put me out of being a buyer. But I am looking for Escalade Hybrid, used of course, for my wife.

[@EliDeuce]

I have the 2009 Silverado crew cab 4WD with the 6.0 L V8 and 2-mode hybrid. Bought it used In 2010 and have put >120k miles on it. I still get 17-18 mpg in the city and 19-20 mpg on the highway. Get 12-14 mpg towing a fully loaded 6x12 2-axle box trailer on the interstate. It’s been a great truck for me, but I will be in the market for a replacement in the next year or two. I have a diesel SUV, so am considering a Chevy/GMC with the 3 L I6 diesel.

[@jasonw8124]

The Hybrid system is way too small on the F-150 PowerBoost to be helpful under load, so it makes sense that Ford would have it disabled during towing. With only 1.5kW capacity in the battery, it would be depleted almost immediately when towing, and the constant high power draw and likely high power return going downhill would be very hard on the system. PowerBoost will give best results in city driving. And I love the 7.2kW option! I wonder if the competition will start making this available on their trucks?

[@quazaar]

Yeah that is where the hybrid shines. Getting the truck moving, where it would consume more fuel. The slowly adding it back. Keeping it at speed consumes way less fuel.

[@lc7917]

Reports are the new Tundra will be a TT V6 with a hybrid system. Unsure if reports are true but I am curious what a hybrid Tundra will have for power, gas mileage, etc.. Guess we will find out towards the end of this year

[@jasonw8124]

@@lc7917 I think the effectiveness of trucks with hybrid systems will be driven mostly by battery prices and availability. I think Ford chose such a small battery capacity due to having to find enough batteries to provide for their most popular vehicle. It will be very interesting to see what Toyota does! I hope they do a Prime system with big battery capacity, like the latest Rav4.

[@jamesmcgraw9570]

Weight difference.... Inline block has less metal. 1/2 the cams, but more crank weight. The real difference is the weight of the electric generator. Check the weight on an identical f150 minus the hybrid system. You might be surprised. Good comparison and no surprises here.

[@robm3357]

Tim that is similar to my trailer I tow with my Colorado 4 cyl diesel. Love the diesel no screaming motor even when pulling a heavy load. 13mpg with that load sounds about right for the 3.0 litre. The battery in the Ford with the twin turbo 3.5 is a great idea. Love all the power out back. But Ford should of put a lot more battery in the truck 1.5 KW is way to small. It should have been at least 5KW You feel it moving around because you should be using a weight distribution hitch with sway control.

[@andrewgodfrey579]

I have a 28ft enclosed race trailer and we started out empty with a half ton chevy with the 5.3 and the truck in tow haul would not hold its speed kept down shifting and within 20 miles the trans temp was in the red. We tried with another 5.3 and had the same issue. I ended up trying a 2017 f150 with the 2.7l ecoboost and I could set the cruise and not even know the trailer was back there, so we ended up leasing a 2017 f150 xlt 302a sport with the 2.7l crew cab for my wife and used it every weekend to tow the trailer with 4k lb car inside and never had an issue. Now we have a 2020 same truck just newer and we prefer to use it to tow over my truck which is a 2012 crew cab raptor.

[@terrencejones9817]

Great comparison. Results are exactly as expected.

[@jacobzirkle9153]

I bought a 2021 gmc 3.0 and sold my Ford F-150 2011 with 225,000 miles no issues

[@bobbysharp]

What grade was the hill you went up in the Chevy? Purchased a 2021 Silverado 3 weeks ago. Great, Great fuel mileage on my daily drive. Unfortunately fuel just leaped in price. Very nice truck, Duramax, LTZ, Z71, Shadow Gray.

[@daves1646]

WDH with anti-sway bars. It’s nice that the truck has sway control, but use known tech (WDH) to reduce squat and add sway control. When the big rig passes and blows the trailer tail, you’ll thank yourself for the hitch anti-sway as it cuts the effect of truck gusts by at least two thirds. On mpg and back seat towing, I was impressed by the TT EcoBoost pulling the hill only at 2000 rpm. But heavy in the boost is harder on fuel with a gas motor. Thank for the side by side comparison!!

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yeah, I have a WDH. Not my camper or I would have installed it. Mine requires drilling into the tongue frame to install brackets.

[@michaelzepponi8119]

Great information that is hard to find out there. I really wanted the F150 to pull my trailer and camp. YES. That generator makes it sweet for just pulling off the road, plugging in and having an air conditioned lunch break on a summer trip. Pretty cool. I really tried to make an argument for pulling the trigger on one of these, but since it only comes with a 30 gallon tank and gets

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Oh I know that wife look. Good luck getting around that. LOL

[@dmgmail7021]

Might I suggest the George Castanzo crying method? Worked to postpone his wedding. Worth a shot

[@copisetic1104]

I don’t use 87 octane in a lawn mower. To absolutely keep the potential detonation down under heavy loads you have to run higher octane.

[@JoeJacksonGT3]

I thought I misheard him, so I played it back...most new turbo engines you want to use 91 +

[@mikefitzgerald3311]

Just purchased a 2021 F150 xlt 4x4 with the 3.5 powerboost hybrid with the tow package, has the 7350# GVWR package and the 3.73 gear option. Thank you for this video. We just purchased a total length including hitch of 32.9" and it ways 6327 lbs - we wont put more than 1300 lbs in the camper.. Ill have a weight distribution anti s. bar attached. DId a lot of research and drove all the trucks.. this one met our own needs the best, especially with the optional 7.2kw generator built right in.. amazing and the ride is very comfortable.. thanks..

[@gregc8151]

Have you been happy with the f150 towing your trailer? Thinking of purchasing a very similar trailer

[@paulfortenberry3201]

Long live diesels, were are the hybrid diesels?? 40mpg +..

[@RiggyRonnie]

Shhh they don’t want you to know

[@victoryrider]

If you drive 100k miles a year or tow heavy a lot then a diesel starts to make sense. Otherwise save the money go gas.

[@RiggyRonnie]

@@victoryrider I do do that

[@vhateverlie]

A hybrid diesel would be too costly for most people. Plus they have a large overlap in use case which makes them less desirable to pair.

[@paulfortenberry3201]

@@vhateverlie But just imagine the torque probably double that of current hybrid systems and double mpg ratings.

[@bigf1502]

Wow, didn’t expect the Chevy with diesel to be 400 lbs lighter than the Ford with the power boost.

[@specforged5651]

It’s that giant heavy ass battery under the back seat! Although the good thing about these beautiful and most wonderful hybrids with those giant, toxic material filled batteries aren’t harmful whatsoever to the environment. 🙄 In the meantime they better put some more emissions bullshit on diesel. I absolutely despise everything about that.

[@tirsorosario5940]

The Ford tows like my old 2005 3/4 ton GMC Yukon XL with the 8.1L gas engine and 4.10 rear end. Impressive!!!

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

All the bells and whistles are nice but I need a truck to haul and throw stuff in the back. Getting great gas mileage is a big plus to me. Thanks for the great content Tim.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Thanks.

[@thankyou9085]

I would suggest getting a 3.5 ecoboost cause in a loaded xlt 302a payload easily goes over 1900 lbs, and get pretty decent gas mileage too Saw a f150 crew cab, short bed, 4x4, xlt 302a chrome, and payload was 1956 lbs, and its got a loaded interior too 5.0 payload is higher, but gas mileage is lower 2.7 gas mileage is higher, but payload is lower 3.5 is just the right mix

[@bantizzle79]

Thanks for the video. Good comparison. F150 better truck for everyday use it seems. If you tow frequently the diesel would be the way to go.

[@ryanmillsap8645]

Nothing tows better than one that's paid off & reliable

[@dramprar1]

I am waiting for my 22 F150 hybrid to be built. I cannot wait to have it. I do not do much hauling and look forward to the city MPG as a daily driver.

[@co457]

Towing long hauls only 3-5 times per year I went with the Powerboost. Towing weekly then the diesel makes a ton of sense.

[@freeride202]

The energy density of a gallon of diesel is much higher than a gallon of gasoline. This is an objective fact that will always favour a diesel engine.

[@whitehurstathome]

I have the 2020 sierra. You have to shift into the L on the column to use the manual shifting and it does tell you what gear you're in.

[@bobhirdes6725]

False! Range Selection mode only can show you what gear you down shift to when say you are in 10th gear and you down shift to 9 or 8 etc. When starting from a stop you are always in first gear and the trans mission can go up to the gear you select but not any higher than the gear so in other words say you put the transmission at 6th gear. you start out in 1st gear and the transmission will go up to 6th but you have to push the plus button to go any higher.

[@CraigSmith568]

I want a standard cab with an 8 foot bed. Neither of these trucks are available in that configuration with these powertrains. That makes these about a $20,000 option for me. Plus I wouldn't be happy with the truck with the limousine option and the half bed. I don't understand why manufacturers don't offer any engine in any cab and bed option.

[@Anth230]

True. I'm a standard cab 8 ft bed guy as well. Well as least you can get a v8.

[@bhbdvm1821]

I wonder why they don’t offer the diesel with the max tow package? I understand due to weight it can’t tow as much as the 6.2L but seems like they could offer the package to get heavier payload, vertical tow mirrors and still keep the safety options.

[@tb1951]

Max towing package on the Ford without towing mirrors...?

[@MustangNthusiest]

Yup, im a Ford Employee and it pisses me off Ford frigging plays games with shit like that. In 2020 you coulndt even get Electronic climate control in a fully loaded XLT at 53k. You had to buy a Lariet, at least now the XLT has in in 2021.

[@TheBuddyandlilly]

Tim if you had a weight distribution hitch I think the sway that you found with the Wind would be gone

[@toddfry7861]

The sway comes from to little tongue weight. You need 10% of the trailer weight. If the truck itself isn't heavy enough you will also get sway. If the wind is blowing it will sway no matter what. Open the windows on the drivers side of the RV and open the roof vent slightly It helps when large trucks go by. It allows some pressure in the window and out the room vent.

[@TheBuddyandlilly]

@@toddfry7861 hey Todd that is the first time in my trailer towing life I have ever heard of opening a window / vent Hmmm

[@gearjonny369]

Does opening windows and a vent actually do anything.?

[@ShadowOppsRC]

GM offered a full hybrid in the Taho and Silverado in the late 2000's and they did not sale well so they stopped making them. They were not mild hybrids either. They were an expensive option though that kept many from buying them.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I mentioned that and I’ve heard GM describe those as mild hybrids. I’m not sure exactly what the definition of “mild” is for a vehicle.

[@gondorian1006]

They only had 5,900# towing in the 4x4 truck though

[@gondorian1006]

@@Pickuptrucktalk mild hybrids can't move under electric power alone. The Ram eTorque is a mild hybrid

[@rlhmarines]

@@Pickuptrucktalk ...Tim, they had a regular 2-mode hybrid that had the 4 speed 6.0 v8 which offered 20 mpg city/ 23 hwy mpg versus 13 mpg city/ 18 hwy mpg for the regular version. Debut was I believe in 2007 but I could be mistaken. GM also had a mild hybrid e-assist belt alternator-starter option in 2016 which was offered with the 8 speed 5.3 v8. Fuel economy was 18 city & 24 hwy & 20 combined. Regenerative braking, stop/start, electric power boost along with a compact lithium ion battery as part of the system.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

@@rlhmarines I remember the e-assist mild hybrid. I don’t recall the other.

[@ross7684]

I tow my travel trailer maybe 20 days a year, I drive my truck 365 days a year. I'll take the day-to-day driving performance of the powerboost for all the time I'm not towing and suffer the lower gas mileage on those days when I am towing, plus I don't have to drag my generator with me when I'm camping off the grid.

[@AllTerrainNation]

Nice way to really test each truck.. Beats pulling a horse trailer with water in it

[@markhavelka4924]

Agreed. Travel trailers seem to have a weird size/weight ratio that make them especially twitchy. Also nice to see a trailer weight that doesn’t require a weight distribution hitch. For a change of pace.

[@craigcontofalsky4387]

When I tow my 5,800 lb Keystone trailer at 60 mph I got 10-11mph in a 5.0 V8 Ford F150. My 6.0 V8 GMC van got the same. Towing in Ohio and PA.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

That’s pretty good imo.

[@rwilson7201]

Ditto. Averaged 10.5mpg roundtriping Alaska from CA with a 2013 f150 Super Crew 4x4 5.0 V-8 towing a 26ft/5,500lb bumper pull

[@rturgeau2295]

Gm does not give you a gear indicator on their trucks. Lot of people have been complaining about this, maybe they will change that on the next refresh. Would be nice to know what gear you're in especially when towing.

[@plmn93]

I'm not a GM fan, but aren't the engine RPMs the important thing? The gear it's in doesn't really matter, though it's kind of neat to see I guess.

[@scottpeterson9398]

I think when you're in tow/haul mode it shuts you out of the top gears that would be overdrive gears. By doing this it reduces shifting alot more often because of the added weight which puts a heavier toll on your transmission.

[@craigcontofalsky4387]

Most trailer tires are rated 65 mph maximum speed. States have their own speed limits for trailer towing. Most are 60 or 65 mph. You have to check each states towing laws. They also have laws regarding trailer tow mirrors too. I tow at 60 mph everywhere on the highways except in construction zones. I've towed with 1/2 ton F150 and 2500 GMC Savana van. The 3/4 ton is always better in high winds because of the load range E van tires vs P rated 1/2 ton radials. Much stiffer sidewalls at 80 psi inflation.

[@joe1071]

I tow an almost identical travel trailer with a first gen Ecoboost. 4500 miles cross country road trip with a lot of varying conditions including mountain passes. 9.9mpg overall for the whole trip with 65mph average speed. I've been watching the f150 hybrid as an upgrade and multiple sources are reporting around 7mpg while towing travel trailers. Just doesn't make sense that the second gen gets worse mpg than first gen.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Batteries are heavy.

[@jimhill5472]

I wonder what would happen to "boost" level if you put shifting mode into manual and drop it a gear down from what truck has chosen to see if possible to gain some mpg while towing. What damage would towing in eco mode do to truck? Overheat electric motor, burn transmission overdrive components, etc? I'm sure you could use eco or normal with a under 1,000 lb trailer without damage. Thats like a full cab load of well fed relatives....lol

[@Oldcoinsandstuff1]

They should put the push button on the back bumper to back the truck up while standing behind the truck to hook up the trailer like transfer trucks have. It's electric so why not

[@dalelangehennig161]

Though I appreciate the thought of towing at a lower speed, I find with my 23' tri-toon boat, my 3.0 really struggles and is maxed out throttle at 70 mph on the highway. I do want to be able to maneuver and have some throttle left when towing. That is why I am looking a the overall higher hp and tq on the power boost ford. Really want 3/4 ton diesel but boy is it hard to find a deal on those and any kind of decent financing. Thanks for the info and insight! Really appreciate the channel!

[@DannyboyUpstate]

“We have some some differences on the towing.” Yeah, 40% more pulling capacity on the Ford. LOL Great video.

[@spankroy]

The problem with the Ford is that it has less weight capacity then the Chevy. You can basically never tow more than the Chevy due to that. The hitch weight of that trailer is probably close to 600 lbs empty. I really like the idea of having a built in generator on the Ford though. You could power much of a home with your truck in an emergency.

[@monkeywkeys3916]

@@spankroy Arnt the Chevys junk though? (Minus the duramax)

[@spankroy]

@@monkeywkeys3916 Lol, I hope not, I have the baby duramax version. So far so good. It does have some annoying rattling issues in the dash though.

[@achap6376]

@@monkeywkeys3916 I just had to sell my 2018 3.5 EB back to the dealer. Always in the shop with a new issue, real pile of shit. Just bought a 2021 GMC Sierra 1500 with the duramax, let's hope this one is better.

[@napollard]

Are they going to make a powerboost in the F250? I want the capability of an F250 but I want the 7Kw generator too. I think the powerboost has all the motor I need I just want to pull 12,000 lbs safely. And I want that generator too!

[@nathanielthelin1051]

I just bought an f150 powerboost and mine is rated for 13900 with the towing package so you should be all set.

[@lfelipem21]

After a year from when this video was filmed and seeing how gas prices are the is no doubt about getting that diesel

[@burimduka]

Huge difference in mpg. Let's see how the 2022 silverado updated interior and features do. Might make the cab a little quieter and have a smoother ride. Great video over all. Thanks for this video

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Thanks.

[@SylentONE]

You were correct

[@justinstrunk2200]

Did anyone notice the oil pressure gauge on the Chevy? Is that normal for a diesel?

[@zaynejackson6770]

It has a variable displacement oil pump so the oil pressure will fluctuate more than normal

[@johndeotte3229]

This was a really good video, thank you.

[@LowsJuan]

If I was going to do a lot of boondocking or even mountain camping in the national parks where it can dip to just above freezing in the middle of summer, the ford would be my choice. RV generators are currently in the Jurassic era. Noisy, inefficient, expensive to buy and worse to fix. They have to be run monthly at least 1/2 hour or they will just die and have to be repaired. The hourly rate to fix generators is as high as $250/hr.

[@geoffmooregm]

I think the generator is a cool idea and for sure handy but it won't change the construction industry or camping. Most of the time on an industrial or commercial site you can't even get close to the work. You may even be parked in a remote parking spot. On a residential site you may be lucky to get near by street parking so now what? Run 200' of cord? Plus if your powering a couple guys on the tools and have to run out, everyone is down. Camping would be handy but personally a portable Honda put far away in the bush or behind a wood pile is far more convenient. They come in many sizes and are quite affordable. Don't get me wrong I would tick the option box if I was buying one but I would not be a decision maker for me. A portable generator is way more versatile.

[@bobsugrue2703]

I love that trailer light check feature

[@jpowell9343]

Nice video. Hard decision but with 11000 lbs in tow should be done with a 3/4 ton. These trucks today are too light in the back to keep control in an emergency situation.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Right. I’d treat these half-ton trucks as 8k lbs max.

[@jghall00]

The maximum tow doesn't necessarily mean a travel trailer. Big difference between a 11K trailer and an 11K load of bricks.

[@ajmedeiros77]

@@jghall00 that’s what I was going to say! Big wind resistance makes a huge difference

[@jpowell9343]

@@jghall00 still doesn't make a half ton safe for any amount that you would use a 3/4 ton for. Those 1/2 tons are just grocery getters now.

[@jghall00]

@@jpowell9343 SAE J2807 says otherwise. There's overlap at the top of the 1/2 ton and bottom of the 3/4 ton tow range. Like I said, there's a big difference between towing a heavy travel trailer and a heavy flat trailer.

[@scottfrankenfield4762]

I like both these trucks from Ford and Chevy with newer engine technologies, but at the end of the day my 1/2 ton needs to confidently & safely pull my 9,500lb loaded trailer. Chevys not equipped to do so from what it sounds like at 9000-9500lbs? My 3.5L ecoboost tows this trailer phenomenally well. Just finishing a 2000mile trip through the northwest & through Yellowstone in 90-105 degree weather, pulling multiple steep grades, and pulling 70-74 on the freeways, and averaged 10mpg overall. Equipped with air bags on my truck, and 10 ply tires on both truck and trailer. As much as I like chevy’s 3.OL diesel, I don’t like the lower max tow rating that I’ve heard about a few times now. Is this really the max tow rating?

[@sladester2]

max tow rating is over 13k lbs with the right configuration

[@dalelangehennig161]

my 3.0 feels guttless when towing my high sitting tri-toon in any wind and up hills. Maxed out throttle. I cannot imagine hauling a 9500 lb travel trailer in it. You would need a gallon of oil and a box or two of def to make a 2000-mile trip. LOL!!! Looking at more powerful options. This is not a full pulling power had diesel by any stretch. Great commuter. Pulling on backroads? Yes!! Pulling on the interstate? No thanks!

[@lyman135]

You have to put the Chevy in manual mode to see what gear its in.

[@nowayoutstp4]

On my Silverado RST it had to be shifted into "L"

[@brandedmcgowan9414]

On them GM trucks the shifter must be in M (manual mode) in order to use the tap up/down buttons to see that gear number on the display, my RAM (2012 1500 column shifter) doesn't have the M on the dash but while in D you can tap the button on the shifter to display what gear your transmission in, the GM feature is more superior than that on my RAM plus the tow/haul mode button is integrated on the tip-end of the shifter while the RAM one is on the dash.

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Great review of both trucks. Thanks Tim.

[@karenpresdorf1685]

Was this all uphill? I pull a 4K 7' wide Wini Micro Mini trailer with a 2017 F150 2.7 turbo. 12.3 actual from Dayton OH to Jacksonville Fl (steep incline, yes!) 60 -65. I have noticed in cross wind Ford uses the brakes for stablization. One run with a standard hitch and heavy cross wind cost 2 - 3 mpg ,with out my hitch anti sway system. Diesel fuel economy is because the 18-1 vs 11-1 gas compression ratio. If I saw correctly the ford was 2k vs 2.5k rpm on the chevy. opposite your rpm statement. I have a friend pulling a 30' 5K trailer with an F150 5L getting about 12 mpg @ 65.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Up and downhill.

[@rp3823]

LOL ... I believe when Ford says “Best in Class!” ... They really try. ... Except for that Ford Raptor exhaust issue. 🙃

[@BC08]

You talking about the Gen 1? 😂

[@baldomerovega65]

So right out you save 5-7 k on the diesel probably 10 k. After rebates.. and 50% in fuel ⛽️ vs the hybrid ford ..its Chevrolet duramax all day for me !!

[@ShersGarage]

While in boost engine actually runs rich to keep the engine from knocking therefore fuel economy will be worse than naturally aspirated engine.

[@maxisadog9484]

Great Video. To see the transmission gear with the plus\minus on the gear shifter you need to be in L mode not D.

[@alexs3187]

19:35 The rear axle will rotate at the same speed with the wheels, regardless of what gear it’s in.

[@sking2173]

He said “too lightly” ... as in pressure, as in TORQUE ... as in higher gears cannot transfer as much torque to the rear end ...

[@malifestro3319]

Wish it was closer to 7500 pound trailer. Get closer to the max of the trucks. That is a very light trailer.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I tried to get a heavier trailer, but couldn't at the last minute due to the wind storms causing a rancher to need it instead. I'll have a heavier one in the future with the Ford. The Chevy went back today.

[@nospark67]

the electric mode complements the gas mode and they are both used when towing , i have a 2022 f150 powerboost im almost 100% on that please confirm nice video and keep on trucking

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yes, they work together for max torque. My mistake in this video.

[@jimbeckes1743]

put the gear shift in M or L on the chevrolet

[@tygriffin9757]

I would like to see the same loop without the camper comparison as well. Unless I missed it? Rumor is the 5.0 gets better mpg than that new eco hybrid truck.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I published a 100 mile test the next day. It’s a different route, but similar results.

[@jamesjetmar5475]

What truck handled the trailer better? Thanks

[@angelabryant9079]

Love the hybrid/generator feature!!! Way to go Ford, now Ford engineers need to implement an onboard Air compressor, how handy would that be? Built in solar panel in sunroof for charging hybrid and truck batteries? I'll be expecting my commission check in the mail Ford motor company. Lol

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

So far solar panels on vehicles haven't worked out well for MPG gains versus the additional weight.

[@blaXkgh0st]

@@Pickuptrucktalk yeah, I heard Elon Musk mention it today on Joe Rogan that even in the perfect conditions you would maybe gain 10 miles a day.

[@lancecorporal9894]

Toyota has that option for the Prius. Since its an option that tells me it doesn't really help otherwise it would be standard. That said, I do know people who use portable solar panels on their travel trailer when in storage to keep the battery topped off.

[@diggermolly5927]

Great vid, I would be curious to see the actual images from the cab back up cameras as you are a approaching the trailer. I would imagine the ford with the tow/haul package is nice with various angles to choose from. It would be informative to see the differences and if they are significant enough to matter. My cousin just bought the GMC diesel truck and his camera will not operate when it is below freezing, so far no luck from the dealer for a fix.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Definitely Ford has the better cameras and the 12" screen is much easier to use.

[@deananderson7877]

Pulling a 5th wheel with the ford I would not even feel the trailer behind me doing 75mph

[@frankkuntz9616]

Warning check your ability to stop while compairing half tons and towing or just driving. One of my 34 chevies braked really well. My 89 1500 chevy only braked well with abs disengaged in 4 wheel drive for that modle year. Newer ones braked poorly...dealer said live with it. My 2010 XTR ford came equipped with real brakes just like the 2006 34 chev and felt safe letting the kids and wife use it

[@jameskilburn4456]

What truck felt more confident towing that camper? The ford or Chevy?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Chevy.

[@robertchapman4488]

@@Pickuptrucktalk enough of all this nonsense. This is easy, put 11,000 pounds behind them, which one are you going to use? Oh yeah the Chevy can't tow that much

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

@@robertchapman4488 11k lbs and I’m going with neither half-ton. I’ll take a 3/4 ton all day for that much weight. 😀

[@robertchapman4488]

@@Pickuptrucktalk me also, but that's not the point the point is the Chevys 3.0l is not rated to pull it, but the f150 3.5l is. my brother has one(3.5l ecoboost) and it pulls it with no problems. Just sayng. The 3.0 liter is good for what it is, but it is not a better tow rig when you start putting big weight on it because it can't tow big weight.

[@robertchapman4488]

@@Pickuptrucktalk PS even though I'm giving you s*** I'm a dedicated Watcher and I always love your content

[@trailertrashtactics]

Got a 21 gmc AT4 ecodiesel. And my God I love this truck

[@mattmcd3290]

Takes a bit more driving with Ford. But if you would had switched to normal mode going down the hill. It would had went to electric and gotten lot better milage. The fuel cost should had been mentioned in your video also. So I'm saying ford should had won hands down. Extra features better fuel cost. Cost of upkeeping a diesel. In city with my powerboost I'm also getting MPG in 30s.

[@bryane2857]

Tim... have you ever towed a 12k travel trailer with a half ton? Because anyone who does it long term or long distance isn't very smart. What us your thought?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

My thought? I’d NEVER tow that much with a half-ton.

[@bryane2857]

@@Pickuptrucktalk i rode and drove with my neighbor who tows with his 5.7 2019 ram. While all these engines of all manufacturers can pull it with no power this thing was a dealth train with a cross wind @ about 10,500 Travel Trailer and using good sway bars. Anything with a high profile no way. Low profile with 12k... No problem. Lets also consider all these people who have no idea what they are doing and the dealer tells them,,, "Yep, it can tow 13,500lbs. "

[@bryane2857]

@@Pickuptrucktalk that might make a good discussion video from your end. Or get a engineer from a manufactuer to discuss it

[@nh1319]

FYI GM had in around 2009 to 2013 full size truck that was a hybrid with a 6.0 vortex. They even had Tahoe with a hybrid. Not sure why GM drop it though.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

It was a mild hybrid setup with very, very minimal MPG gains with a higher price point that didn't justify it.

[@rdsii64]

Can you compare the chevy diesel with the ford diesel?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

If I get the chance I will.

[@MrLew1965]

A diesel will always win hands down when it comes to towing, torque rules the towing world ! You purchase a truck for the purpose and job you need it to do !1 Lol

[@jeffevans4598]

Hey Tim, enjoying the diesel vs eco boost comparison. Heard that Ford deleted the trans cooler on the 21 f150. Do you have any knowledge of that and if so how are the temps on your truck?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I haven’t noticed anything so far, but it’s been cold as hell. When I tow this Spring/Summer, I’ll have better information.

[@Xenon-rl1me]

No the trans cooler has not been deleted. It's there. All ford automatic transmissions have them.

[@jimreeves2619]

We want the best of both combined

[@Trackstar1319]

@17:45 I believe the engine is always in Hybrid... I think what you are trying to say is it's not in electric only mode. In that situation the engine will be off. When the truck comes out of electric only it then becomes a "Hybrid" where the engine and electric are together. This is how the truck has 570 foot pounds of torque. The electric motor is always assisting the combustion engine.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yes you are correct. I've learned and gotten better on how I explain the hybrid and how it works. Bear with me.

[@cybertrk]

I'd like to see a diesel truck with a diesel accessory tap (that is only available above 50% full tank) so you can power cooking and heating in a camper.

[@vhateverlie]

That'd be something. You'd have to run it off the systems low pressure pump to get the fuel to where it wants to go but very cool for a small camp/cottage deal!