Digital Tiny Whoop under 20 grams! HDZero AIO5 FC makes it possible!

[@ChainsawFPV]

HappyModel for the win!!! Again! We all wanted HD under 20 grams. Now that we have it, we are are going to complain until its under 16.5 grams. Lmao

[@rainsquadfpv]

I wouldn't call it hd maybe temu analog with a bit better picture

[@taxigalaxi]

​@@rainsquadfpvits 720p thats the base definition of hd

[@quintonrichards4805]

This feels just like playing video games in junior high and high school - “Just one more game…” (five games later). Only now, it’s “Just one less gram, just a slightly sharper image.” 😆 5 grams and 8K resolution - that’s where I’m drawing the line! 😆

[@xer125]

Well, it’s already possible, just not easy. I built an aio5 build today that weighs 17.990g, and just by swapping the motors, motor wires, and canopy should be around 16.8g. Add on a few crazier mods like shortening the motor shaft and it should be able to get below 16.5

[@ChainsawFPV]

@@xer125 With the HD?? My analog weighs that. Even pilots like AyyyKayyy using the HD prototype ones are not that light.

[@RyanQuellet]

For low light flying, there is a camera sensor gain setting to adjust - it should be as good as Nano v3 camera. Edit - set gain to 10 and you'll get almost color night vision! Search my channel for "Hidden Lux Cam Features" for more details. Nice review!

[@georgew.9663]

17:33 most people when their fence breaks: oh for fucks sake Bardwell: oo that’s a new gap :D

[@wlgrd7052]

😂

[@willcubemakes]

Companies patiently waiting until I make my purchase before releasing an objectively better product:

[@Sugalime3D_FPV]

For the antennas: The best thing would be if the frame and the canopy had hooks/tunnels along which you could lay and direct the antennas...

[@CalleyyyC]

Just incredible man. HDZero is so cool. Can’t wait for my order to arrive, I’m so excited about this one!

[@fullhamfpv]

That slightly high battery draw is a bit of a bummer, but I suppose it was to be expected. It's an amazing piece of tech when it really comes down to it and I'm keen on trying it out. Great review JB, really informative and well put together 👍

[@Sugar_K]

My new analog TW is 15g… I really do like my hm hdz whoop though

[@crash_lander]

I was waiting for this review from you Bardwell🌺 Thanks bro!!

[@DominicClifton]

yes, great accomplishment, I can well imagine it's 14 layers after my experience with trying to get osd+elrs gemini+vtx on a same board, especially with all the FC and ESC circuits too.

[@RodGSilva]

I'm excited about this one specially with the lux camera, just not a big fan of that canopy, looks kind cool but I'll break so easily. By the way you got a loose motor wire :) 08:38

[@fullhamfpv]

Apparently that canopy is a prototype and HappyModel are working on a finalized design for the retail version, which I think is slated for release very soon. Time will tell I guess.

[@Voidroamer]

dang, thats cool! I want an AIO board to fit on a single IC, everything but the power delivery should be able to fit inside the camera case!

[@malnasimon7041]

Actually, I get 2min of flight time out side and 2min30 inside with my air65. So this doesnt seem that bad

[@float32]

doesn’t seem bad? Sheesh, I’m definitely not the target audience.

[@FaepunkFPV]

Awesome video! Thank you JB! Can’t wait to get one myself :)

[@GarethDix]

I’ve just finished my 3rd build with this AIO and it’s pretty amazing. My first was a BetaFPV air65… comes in at 19g with the HDZ AIO

[@mxracingunlimitedltd7784]

Nice! What kind of video range do you get out of HDZero and with this at only 200mW? I have analog and dji drone setups and ive been looking into maybe getting the HDZero VRX for my Fatshark HDO's. Or i might get the goggles themselves, i havent decided yet.. Any flying videos of one of the HDZero AIO Tinywhoop's?

[@GarethDix]

@@mxracingunlimitedltd7784 typically when I’m flying 65mm tinywhoops I don’t go so far maybe 50-100m but that’s mainly because of the area I’ve been flying. My last video is of the air65 build and first test. Just waiting for the weather the clear up to try the 1.6inch build which I can definitely range test HDZ more as I use a larger 1s pack on it

[@alkompvideo]

Was it Eco or Lux camera?

[@cpfpv6410]

I need this with 20amp ESC’s!! Imagine the weight savings on a small 3 or 4”

[@alkompvideo]

I have no experience with Tinywhoops. So I have several questions about exclusively indoors flying: 1) would you recommend the newly released 5 in 1 AIO based Betafpv Air65 or meteor75 pro like whoop for indoors flying? 2) should I expect a dramatically better video quality from hdzero compared to analog for indoors (not plenty of light) flying with tinywhoop? 3) is the increased weight and decreased maneurability of hdzero based tinywhoop justified/compensated by increased video quality and (possibly) decreased latency over analog ones? 3) does it make sense to put increased weight hdzero Lux camera because of its significantly better video quality? Or lighter hdzero Eco camera gives the same quality taking into account simplified interface which is used on hdzero tinywhoop AIO module? Will be gratefull to hear your and your subscribers' opinions. Thanks in advance

[@Firewolf-9389]

Love this content

[@artem56881]

Well... We got a little bit better video quality than on analog setup. But paid with flight time, got issues with overheating and dark image at low light. And also paid extra 100$ on drone, and bout 600-800$ on hdzero googles. Would like to hear if i am wrong somewhere, I never had an hdzero setup :)

[@galardo3303]

The goggles itself are worth having. New fatsharks (hdo2plus?) cost the same and look waaaay worse. And with the HDZero Goggles u can have hdz, walksnail and analog at the same time installed (heavy but doable) 😂 They are the best analog Goggles u can get right now. And they have good customer service. 10/10 I would rather pay a bit more for inovation than the same price since the beginning for stagnation (looking at u fatshark). They inovate and try to make interesting products.

[@P.G._FPV]

I've flown a lot of analog and hdzero whoops. With MW set to 25 or 200 on both there is absolutely no comparison to videos quality between the two systems. HDZ is far better and with a lot better range also (especially on the tiny whoop sized drones). I get massive break-up when flying my 65mm analog whoop from my basement to the upstairs part of my house. With my HDZ whoop at 25mw I can fly all over the inside of my house with no break-up and a lot better video quality also. 👍

[@xer125]

A big part of the advantage is the link behavior; no more static, color shifting, or rolling. The aio5 is only a 2g penalty over the betafpv air 5 in 1, so there will be a penalty in performance but it’s not huge. For everyone but the top racers it’s pretty easy to build to a weight that is enjoyable to fly with great flight time. Also the gain is adjustable and apparently the lux should be pretty good in low light. The video quality is a bigger difference than it looks on a lot of the comparison videos. Price is definitely a lot higher, but both analog and hdz have their applications and audience

[@xer125]

Oh and the mipi cams are waaaaay better video quality, but it’s going to add at bare minimum 1.5g (probably more depending on fc choice and other build choices)

[@willcubemakes]

I'm told HDZero looks significantly worse on KZbin due to the bitrate... If I get HDZero I'll keep ya guys updated

[@Sugar_K]

4.6 does include the flac modes for elrs

[@Voyajer.]

Oh nice, i have the 22g mob6 hdzero edition and it's already pretty good, the new one must be great

[@doccock100]

better weight, but the definition isn't as good as the mipi cable whoop addition board

[@alkompvideo]

​​@@doccock100is this degraded (not mipi) digital video quality still significantly better than analog?

[@doccock100]

@@alkompvideo Having looked closely, the non-mipi board with the lux camera is pretty damn close to the mipi cable version and way, way better than analog. I would definately use that one. The other camera (i cant remember what its called) is a tiny tiny bit lighter than the lux camera, but I think the quality is barely better than analog. The long and short, if you can, get the new board with Lux camera and youll get a big drop in weight and a very good image quality.

[@alkompvideo]

@@doccock100 thank you for your input! The other camera is Eco

[@doccock100]

@@alkompvideo Thats right, the Eco. If you are doing a toothpick then I would still consider the old whoop lite with mipi. but with Whoop, lux looks like the new king... unless you are an utter purist where you will accept video like the 60's for the weight advantage and you are back to analog 15g builds. I can't live with analog video anymore. I know somepeople can, but I can't. Analog pilots used to fly 22g builds and were happy.. if you can now make a 19g build with digital now, then I am happy enough.

[@argyrisF4]

Cool video as always, but the whoop you showed at the start is not the mobula 6 2024, but a mobeetle6, much older model. The mobula6 weighs

[@ludofevrier5593]

Just the canopy of mobeetle...the mobeetle s weight is 17.3g

[@argyrisF4]

@@ludofevrier5593 nah, this is a ph2.0 connector, no way this is mobula6 2024 ;) Perhaps mobula6 older version with mobeetle canopy? Who knows, anyway this is definitely not mobula6 2024

[@ludofevrier5593]

Agree! I think he changed the cam on mobetlle mine is at 15.8 with some tips

[@t.ticklesfpv]

Top Tier video. Thanks Joshua!

[@Apparition338]

I’d pull the plastic frame, drop everything on a 1mm toothpick frame and go nuts in HD!

[@CapnBry]

It really is a marvel of engineering to get all of that onto one board. It's a shame about the SPI RX, but there is zero chance of fitting another MCU on that thing and the ~19.5g stock weight really makes it fly sweet. The Lux camera looks great too. I think HappyModel only sent me one because they think I am going to keep updating Betaflight (FLRC modes are in 4.6!) 😆

[@Sugar_K]

Nah they sent you one cause I asked them to 😂

[@CapnBry]

@@Sugar_K 😘

[@painy6588]

Wait are you saying we can get F1000 on SPI with BF4.6?? That would be really great! To me thats the only downside of SPI. Edit: Checked the github and answered myself. Yes it does! Altough because of CPU restraints one will probably have to run F500 on 411s.

[@billmcdonald4335]

HDZero on a Happymodel 2S 12A AIO. That would def-o get me interested. I do love flying the analog Mob8, but a HDZero option could be worth switching to.

[@FlyDreamEcuador]

DJI... Have a look at this!

[@Raaiino]

Wow, that's honestly insane❤🤯

[@McShakyFPV]

As always, great review

[@DanielCrist]

This is incredible! I mostly stepped away from keeping my eye on the FPV space for the past year or so, but I just came back to check things out and I see this!?! I don't suppose it's feasible to put an Insta360 Go3 on this to capture they occasional bit of video, is it?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

People have put the Go1 and Go2 on 65mm drones and they do fly but not well. You'd be better with a 75mm or 85mm

[@lucfox826]

I was maybe going to buy and build your xilo analog fpv drone from get fpv but do you think it is outdated or are the parts still good for 2024 standards

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's still great. No worry at all.

[@Spookyboy-xy6jh]

no way!! i learned something today.

[@mx118racer]

@4.35 is that a motor wire ripped off from the board ??

[@What..a..shambles]

I wonder what a track made of them solar outdoor lights at night would be like 😎

[@GardoRotor]

Love your thoughts on this, brutality honest. Those digital systems are little heaters that drag down tiny 1s lipos😂

[@MasterApeFPV]

Just wanted to say that I informed myself to get branded 1s lipos produced. BT2 would have been cheaper than getting them made with A 30(which was what I wanted). That’s because the big manufacturers seem to have bt2 lying around already..

[@X862go]

Wow 👌 probably indescribable.

[@MattyDubz330]

Will flight controller work with Walksnail L googles and 1s mini light camera?

[@threedeeandbeyond]

9:39 does that mean you could install any other cvbs camera? 😮

[@JoshuaBardwell]

No. It's a HD analog CVBS signal. It won't work with a SD CVBS such as used with other analog cameras.

[@FATSNAIL-FPV]

still not understanding that cam mount/no canopy deal.... looks flimsy af. really hope they're working on a 2s version also. would be great for toothpicks and 75/85mm frames. props for Divimath engineering this board. finaly!

[@kanenstuff]

I have the old anilog mob 6 and 7 it was fun but this looks way nicer and be good to Cruz around the underground carpark at my condo.

[@carlostovar8635]

Wonder if changing the ESC setting will help to get flight time over 3 mins!

[@cicadafun]

doesn't the mobula 6 2024 weigh 17.7 grams?

[@andreastornesel8404]

Yes

[@galardo3303]

Im really waiting for a standalone hdzero vtx in the formfactor of a tiny tank or m03. 25-50mw would be enough. Just give me a ~1g standalone vtx

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The size of the HDZero chips themselves seems to preclude this.

[@vertigo2893]

I would have liked to see you test at 25mW, see how it affects range and battery life. On my HDZ whoops I see surprisingly little difference in range between 25 en 200mW

[@cpfpv6410]

I bought into HDzero waiting for this day!!!

[@kevinthealienfpv]

With the recent advance in HV square cell batteries, I really expect there to be a 350mah battery to join the 270 and 300mah variants soon. 450 is too heavy for 65mm imo There's no doubt that the extra weight and HDZ power drain robe the 300mah of any real flight time.

[@Kaalkian]

what are some good models of these new batteries ?

[@nikfpv3456]

Now we need a walksnail version.

[@87ciad]

hi do you think that walksnail will also announce a 5 in 1 like hdzeron for tinybwhoop pourbavoir bds quad of less than 20g?

[@gutrali]

I feel like your editor Fabio messed up the end of your video. You said a few times in a row that you can watch the voltage drop just by plugging it in and it should be better....... Fabio you got to pay attention!!!!!😂

[@toxicfpv304]

Im wondering if the lights shining around the camera arent messing with the night light sensor.

[@blackjungle308]

I love how JB credits HDZero for the Utail idea, completely ignoring that BFPV has had it out for some time. :D And on the SPI receiver: I agree in not liking it... However... They kinda needed to do that for the size so, its ok, I guess?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

I've never seen it before IDK what to tell you.

[@blackjungle308]

@@LoganimFPV yup. Im Just pulling everyone's leg. XD (And I'm not crediting them for "inventing" it. I just thought they were the first to make them commercially avaliable)

[@blackjungle308]

And Im actually curious now. Did some commercial version of this showed up before BFPV?

[@LoganimFPV]

@@blackjungle308 I’m not sure. Also sorry if I sounded mad I just like making sure people understand things about micros as their pretty niche lol

[@WernerBeroux]

I wonder why not use that tiny cubic antenna for a whoop.

[@ΝικόλαςΤζόρβας]

it is okay if the battery strap is touching the fc (What about vibrations?)

[@X862go]

Ok, but are they the same motors and frame 🤔? That's a huge difference.

[@Naturalworld90090]

HEY, can you please tell me which would be the good gps for speedybee f405 , some says BZ-251, whereas some ublox M8n or something else

[@DoctorrMetal]

Thats sick, ive been waiting for this to make a tiny whoop

[@rocketman221projects]

It would have been nice if they used a small ceramic chip antenna for the ELRS. It would be much less likely to get broken off. Most people aren't going to fly a tiny whoop far enough for the low gain to matter.

[@xer125]

Not enough room, not kidding. The wire antenna just needs a single via, vs the surface real estate even the tower antennas need

[@luvmyhondasi]

i cant wait to get mine in 6 months . . .

[@canadianator]

Great video JB, question for you or anyone else. When you say you need ELRS 3.0 do you mean 3.0.0? Just getting back in game and just got a new boxer and it has 3.0.3 firmware. Do I need to last to older or just leave it to 3.0.3? Thanks anybody

[@JoshuaBardwell]

All versions of 3.x are compatible. You're good.

[@notice_fpv]

Would like to know what their BlueJay set up is... Is it optimized for the whoop form factor?

[@xer125]

Set to max startup limits out of the box once again 😢

[@notice_fpv]

@@xer125 Really? With all the things they got right...

[@xer125]

@@notice_fpv yeah unfortunately. It’s more of a hm problem as hm just used their old target, but hm needs to figure out how to set up bj. They’ll probably get more customer service complaints about motors not spinning when tangled in hair pr slightly bent, and all the manufacturers do this, but still.

[@notice_fpv]

@@xer125 what settings are you using (I'm hoping my B&F will be here within a week from the preorder). Anything else to watch out for?

[@mihavuk]

And there is no annoying flickering and statics like analog video does... HDZero is really pushing it...

[@LOSIVR]

Can you do a review on the emax tinyhawk 3 freestyle analog? It's my first quad and I'm loving it but wanna see your opinion

[@BeachbumfromBrick]

I’d be like .. WHOA Biiig Deeal!! Big Deal BIG BIG DEAL

[@BeachbumfromBrick]

This is like a Step up. Beat THIS! Says -Happy Model

[@eros5556]

Yeah i fucked up buying walksnail . I gotta switch

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying and review, Joshua! 😃 I hope Walksnail does something similar! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@hookedfpv3219]

Just curious as to why your 2024 mob6 analog weighs 19 plus grams and the two I own right out of the box weighs 17.2 ??????

[@TrickyFPV420]

How the hell does your HDzero AIO not reach 80 degrees in the firat 30s of flight? I have a couple and you can cook an egg on it…

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Once you're flying, the airflow should keep it cool.

[@TrickyFPV420]

@@JoshuaBardwell yeah I would think so too, but 2 boards I have reach 80C during the first 30s of flight. I get also the VTX on fire icon in the goggles…

[@user-bh9yk2wv4w]

More than the Neo..

[@michaelstewart4653]

Can your use the Avatar google x with this 5 in 1 AIO board? I see that you can use the avatar VTX with HdZero googles but can it be used the other way?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You need an HDZero vRX, which can be used with the HDMI input on the Goggles X. But you can't use the Goggles X natively, without a separate HDZero vRX. The same is true the other way. You can't use the Avatar vTX with HDZero goggles, unless you have the Avatar vRX.

[@michaelstewart4653]

@@JoshuaBardwell so the only systems that is universal is analog. it sucks because HDzero googles are hard to find.

[@Vousie]

@@michaelstewart4653 No... Analog is *also* only compatible with other analog transmitters.

[@Raaiino]

❤

[@MaxMorfiX]

Where do you get mobula6 frame in other colors except black and white?

[@ErnzusFPV]

ali express should have them and the shipping is usually around 2 weeks

[@serenestateofbeing1062]

I use the meteor air frames. They're SO durable I have yet to break one

[@MaxMorfiX]

@@serenestateofbeing1062 yeah, same with my mobula, but I would like to have it in more colorful color than pure black

[@galardo3303]

​@@MaxMorfiXget a clear one and some dye. There is a video about how to do that.

[@MaxMorfiX]

Now bardwell can spy on his neighbours in HD

[@ChristopherRobinFPV]

Whens the walksnail whoop aio coming? There all so heavy now.

[@bakerman1231]

After seeing that. you might as well use analog.

[@AlenHR]

I designed several multilayer PCBs, but 14 layers is crazy. Typically, 4-6 of those 14 layers are dedicated to ground/power, but nonetheless, impressive work.

[@Darkgayo]

Thanks for the video🎉 when a Walksnail AIO?😊

[@philthayer4087]

Looks like analog. WS or DJ. Imi not going back to SD with constant noise. Kudos on the eng effort though.

[@LordRejion]

I do think it's quite amazing..

[@drkastenbrot]

im out of excuses for flying analog now

[@nullfield1126]

Digital under 20 grams!!! All quality arguments in favor of DJI/WalkS are not relevant at this specific point!

[@johnargha]

just 1 blown mosfet and 99$ board gone!

[@Grant82gc]

That's the sacrifice made to reach that threshold

[@Voyajer.]

Time to learn microsoldering

[@marc_frank]

​@@Voyajer. just repaired a happymodel board had to solder a 0201 capacitor i accidentally pushed it off and that broke the video signal trace to the osd chip it took a long time and i only got it done after it tombstoned and i added a bit of wire to the other pad

[@rgross989]

Lost my first board for 1 mosfet failure 😢

[@MrTimmyGT]

This just doesn't seem worth, you are blowing through batteries just cruising and the picture isn't much better than analog.

[@serenestateofbeing1062]

It's perfect for a 75mm. I prefer 17g 65mm whoops. That's a big factor I think. The picture is significantly better than analog, but it doesn't bother me if you think otherwise. Just like the eco vtx was a precursor to this aio, this aio will lead to version 2 and 3 etc. They will be more refined and lighter

[@hattrickFPV]

You've obviously never used hdzero, its miles better than analog.

[@CalleyyyC]

The picture you see in the goggles is much better than analog - especially considering the colors and image stability. Kinda have to see it for yourself if you know somebody with the HDzero goggles, or you could go to your local racing chapter to see for yourself if someone there has them

[@kingnothingfpv2303]

HDZero only have HD in his name :)) Almost like analog 👎🏻

[@techx8075]

Drone technology is changing two rapidly. People who are not completely insane enthusiasts can't keep up. In my humble opinion it's driving some people away from the hobby. Me included. My equipment is all analog and I really have no desire to switch to digital. Don't get me wrong I love technology but in this case it's hurting the hobby. Take Express LRS for example why should I have to switch all my equipment out from crossfire. These days any quad I buy I also have to buy my crossfire receiver. Which is just adding more cost. The final Factor is remote ID. That's a big deal breaker for me and that's why I don't fly anymore. I have 15 quads that are now paperweights.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

You ... don't have to switch. You can just keep using whatever you want. You can keep flying your Crossfire analog quads. Nobody is forcing you to switch.

[@neuromancer692]

Tf do you mean your quads are paperweights? They don't just fall out of the sky once a new thing releases you know?

[@galardo3303]

Lol u dont need all new equip just because there is elrs 😂 Just get a cheap module for your radio and thats it... if u want to fly micros.... Also why are your 15 quads now paper weights. Just keep flying what u want. Maybe build a sub 250g analog drone and dont worry about that tracking bs? Sorry but u are just nagging about nothing.

[@CalleyyyC]

New tech is optional - you can continue flying your existing stuff if you prefer

[@techx8075]

@@galardo3303 Remote ID is the main reason why I stopped flying. Maybe it's nothing to you but that's your opinion mine is different. We can agree to disagree

[@sten6537]

would you suggest to update BF to the newest version? and also the Bluejay from 0.19 to 0.21?

[@JoshuaBardwell]

No. On a bind-n-fly, you should leave it configured as delivered unless you have a speciifc reason to update.