Digital Waveform User Oscillator for Korg Minilogue XD, Prologue and NTS-1

I am very pleased to be able to present in this video my latest user oscillator for the Prologue, Minilogue XD and NTS-1. For me this oscillator is very much a trip down memory lane and an attempt to recreate some of the amazing sounds from one particular poly synth released by Korg way back in 1985.
To purchase and download this user oscillator, please go to my SoundMangling website at the following link: www.soundmangl...

[@ET2carbon]

Really dope. What other releases will you be doing?

[@TimShoebridge]

Thank you so much 🙏 Good question. It's been a very long time since I programmed user oscillators. I'm totally out of practice! But to be honest I got a bit frustrated with Korg, I invested a huge amount of time developing my "DW" and "VS" user oscillators, and then Korg came out with their all digital modwave synth which has so many features that overlap with what I developed. Unfortunate coincidence of course! But their lack of interest in taking the prologue and minilogue XD any further forward was also a big factor. Why invest time inventing digital synth capability for their ageing line-up of "logue" synths if the very next month they might wipe you out with yet another all digital product that duplicates what you developed? If I see serious investment in the user oscillator concept again from them then I'll definitely reconsider, it was such a great concept and I am sure it boosted sales for them immensely.

[@ET2carbon]

@@TimShoebridge cost/benefit. They have too much to push out In hardware they don't make subscriptions on. What you did certainly isn't wasted. Your knowledge and sharing will inspire, we are just in a period of time where the Taiwan/China things happened chip shortage if you believe that, pandemic if you believe that, inflation, copyright infringement, and good ol pressure to release hardware every other quarter. They did a nice thing calling it used multi engine and you don't have to pay them for their support, but with subscriptions they could do it like Roland cloud /zenology and support development with those funds so it doesn't get so obsolete. These manufacturers are just like car companies. They'll let your infotainment center get 8 years old and it aggravates people that have over the air update capability.they never do updates and keep your car from depreciation , the good thing is synths are trending as investments where as I said, more programmers will do what you did just have to wait for those kinds of people who are musicians and nerdy types with spare time and funds.

[@greaston]

I just wiah korg had added a couple of extra assignable knobs for the digital oscillator so you didn't have to menu dive to get to additional parameters This is marvelous though, incredible work.

[@frankjuno8808]

It's a pity that you can also not assign external MIDI CC for USER OSC parameter control (AFAIK).

[@s3nsec0rruptr80]

Yeah, I'd love to be able to modulate parameters on a couple of these things. I think they didn't foresee just how much people would actually use them and make really deep oscillators

[@ET2carbon]

Use a behringer midi controller with all the like 32 knobs. Or AKAI has a few too

[@coconutlust470]

I saw you digressing to the 1980s dw-8000 montage and thought to myself "god, come on, man. i don't have all day" then i ended up watching/listening to it twice. lovely.

[@supernatural802]

the Korg DW-8000 was the first synth i ever owned. What a delight to see it pop up here in this video. im actually looking at it right now. classic.

[@audioartisan]

This is awesome Tim! Your creative genius never ceases to amaze. This is like having a synth within a synth, with the power of up to 4 oscillators (2 XD analog 2 DW digital). This is a must have for me. Thank you for making this affordable as well. Very appreciated :)

[@edjefferson9175]

I had a DW8000 when they were new. Didn't realize how great it was! Would be sweet if those two waves could be panned

[@thomaskolb8785]

Having an aging and mostly unreliable DW-8000, I was delighted to find this package for the Minilogue XD. Purchasing and installing was a breeze and I am amazed how close it actually sounds to the DW-8000. By adding some delay and reverb, the two synths are very, very close. But then by adding the Minilogue's own VCO lines, patches go far beyond what is capable with the old lady, and which removes any issues with that slight lack of clarity that you mention. Thank you Tim, for the superb work with this set! I will be checking out your other sets as well! :-)

[@devonhansen5426]

now all we need is some ESQ-1 oscillator action for the 'logues!

[@jeepee2]

Absolutely! I just bought a minilogue XD and I'm thinking about selling my ESQ-1....hmmm...

[@RyanParkerTV]

This is awesome I’m gonna have to pick it up for sure. I like how you put the spirit of an old Korg inside the body of a new korg

[@Paul_Y_T]

Great work Tim - definitely one I'll buy for my xd. Thanks!

[@Paul_Y_T]

purchased - very happy with this, extremely useful to have in the xd and good value too.

[@scottbirch968]

That DW8000 segment was ASMR. There has always been something special about that little synth. Unless I'm losing my mind, of course.

[@obwanz1921]

Brilliant Tim Shoebridge! 👍

[@frankjuno8808]

Despite my avatar icon... the EX8000 (rack version of DW8000) was my first "real" synth I got as a young teen, being keyboarder in a band (I used to play a Böhm organ and Böhm expander 12/24 (FM thing) before). That brings up so many memories... I have just missed the Juno and DX7 phase, our local music dealer had either the DW8000 or JX8P to offer at that time... and then for SALE the EX8000, which I bought then. Thanks for the video - and the user osc, which will be soon in my Prologue :) (I am sure I would have sold the JUNO, just as I did with the EX8000 later on, since I was looking more for "real piano, brass etc", and I would be very angry at myself today.. so I am glad I never had a JUNO in those days :), since I became a synth sound lover later then... Well probably an original JUNO would be broken in the mean time, I used to gig quite a lot back then...)

[@vjmacintyre]

love the sequence at the end... reminds me of Boards of Canada

[@AndersRomin]

Wow, that’s really amazing what can be done with the multi engine. It sure brought back some memories from my teens in the 80s, playing a friend’s DW6000!

[@supremeja]

Mr. Shoebridge, you did a really great work. Absolutely incredible

[@juanmavillaverde9331]

I love you so much for releasing this kind of stuff, it's what makes the Minilogue XD worth it

[@MioritzaSoundsystem]

This is an incredible piece of programming! Almost all of the patches are increbly well made. Thanks! I've got a new synth inside my already wonderful synth!

[@cortical1]

Brilliant! Thanks and appreciation from San Diego, Tim!

[@bcroson82]

You are a magician with programming these. I've scoffed at this synth for 2 years. Have some "higher end" kit with no need for this I keep saying. You've got me jonesing....

[@Mchannemann]

As usual you deliver some unique OSC what a trip down memory lane and such beautiful sounds

[@TimShoebridge]

Thanks a lot Thorsten. I actually got a bit misty-eyed when I was recording it =D

[@Mchannemann]

Can imagine I had a DW8000 in end 90s

[@loccomotive2485]

Such a great idea to copy DW 8000 waveforms into minilogue XD. But as you said it´s not the same. Even filter on DW 8000 sounds richer and warmer. That's why I still keep my DW 8000 - it si realy great synth.

[@hillfey1683]

Very, very nice, god bless Tim. I'll get it today. Thank you.

[@gazzar67]

Great work Tim. I agree that the DW8000 (my first synth) has something special, especially with things like brass pads. I think your decision to make the shape control act like a wavetable scanner is really clever. FYI, the way the KingKORG implements its DWGS control is that the control knob (it's shape control) is for detuning. I think it clones the same waveform for anything other than its zero setting, and the shift-control does some sort of FM thing, either between the two cloned copies or with some other waveform. That's on a single oscillator. If you want detuned different waveforms, you have to use a separate oscillator. It also has the expanded DWGS set of 64 waveforms. More generally, it also has a single nonlinear detune knob control that combines normal detuning for small values, but covers +/- 2 octaves for detuning between separate oscillators. It makes detuning and +/-1 or +/-2 octave settings easy to achieve, but things like 5th and 7ths are less obvious, but you can also menu dive to get at a linear control for those.

[@TRENTSINCLAIRE]

ok i need a prologue immediately. awesome stuff!

[@bozosaurus666]

Beautiful design as always Tim...looking forward to purchase this and Vector really soon for my Minilogue XD

[@michaelscottpettis]

My goodness, this is brilliant, thank you for your work!

[@alexandrebaroni1057]

OMG. I had DW6000 and after DW8000. I rejected to buy DX7. Thank you for this one

[@pizzagogo6151]

This is fantastic work Tim, excellent 👍. I’m a definite fan of the DW ( I’m lucky enough to have one) so this is such an obviously good idea to bring to the modern Korg series. Trouble is I don’t actually own one but have been seriously thinking of getting a Prologue!!hmmm....this is really pushing me to bite the bullet and splash out on one! Hope sooner or later, you get your hands on a Prologue and make some patches for that as well!😊

[@downpatmusic]

Nice custom wave from. What I have found to be a major difference in the way synths sound is in their digital to analog converters at their audio output (s). For Example, if you listen to an OLD JV-880 synth and compare it to the line that came after it, the 1080, 2080, 5080 etc... none of them sound the same on very similar patches. In fact the OLDEST Roland JV880 has the most transparent audio outputs that never got replicated in the rest of the newer XX80 line up. Some of the above synths were unusable due to their dark colored and muffled sounding outputs. I never quite understood why the outputs would become worse with the newer releases of the new and improved synth line up for Roland. As my engineer used to say, "New but not improved".

[@bushdada]

The DW-6000 is one of my favorite synths. Recently, I have been eyeing MS2000s or MicroKorgs to get some DWGS waveforms in a more modern package with an analog filter to match. I began to wonder if it were possible to have the DWGS waveforms as the User Oscillator in my Minilogue XDm. Of course, the Google was my first resort and lo and behold, the amazing Tim Shoebridge had indeed tackled the challenge. Thank you for your efforts. I will indeed be checking this offering out, your caveats noted. I am somewhat interested in the forthcoming Modwave, but still need to hear more. I am glad that I still have my 6000 in any case.

[@carlodemichelis]

Nicely done. This is one to get.

[@mmhcreates]

15:17 Super warm pad. 13:42 Spacey Arp. 17:17 lovely delays.

[@GoodBeat101]

Awesome! Btw, thanks for wearing a spandex shirt. A little something for everybody.

[@ZAYAZOfficial]

Excellent stuff.

[@ModernistPC]

I just missed out on grabbing a DW-8000...twice! So this is welcomed.

[@martinberlugue2769]

This is nice !

[@user-we2bk6qb3n]

I like this better than my DW8000. Please make a parameter list for us and print it here.

[@medianfidelity]

Excellent as always Tim! Great sounds here, and you continue to impress with all your user oscillator creations! I feel I am somewhat decent at patch design on my Prologue, but with my lack of familiarity of the DW, I fear I don't have much chance in recreating these presets outside the XD. Great explanation at the end, and definitely curious to hear what can be done with shape modulation between the two oscillators, especially with some detune thrown in.

[@TimShoebridge]

Matt B Thanks Matt. I will endeavour to put together a video that demonstrates how to create a DW-8000 kind or organ, EP, pad and acoustic piano. The synth architecture is straightforward once you know which waveforms to choose and in what amounts 👍

[@htechdance]

Great effort, but too ambient for me. I have a hands up, high energy DW-8000 for my Kross that I downloaded for free. Thanks for the dertiled explanation, friend. I would also like to see a video with an explaination of how to get and put these things on the XD to begin with. Thank you.

[@gavinpeters9531]

Awesome work!!! Im excited to try it

[@TimShoebridge]

FYI I just posted a follow-up video with some patching examples as a big thank you to all Prologue and NTS-1 owners who I can't provide with presets kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2fdgqd7g8p0ZsU

[@justindpeak]

So one of the features I love about my DW-8000 is the autobend feature. While I realize this wasnt one of the features you implemented here, I did notice that one of your patches had an autobend sound to it. How did you achieve this? Anyway, loved what you did here and I will definitely be picking it up for my XD. Thanks for all your hard work on these!

[@TimShoebridge]

Thanks a lot. You can modulate the pitch with both the envelope and the LFO. The LFO can do single shot mode if you don't want a cyclic effect. I think on the patch in the video I used the envelope as it wasn't in use for anything else.

[@FeLix-qi7ci]

It's beyond my Imagine how to create stuff like that. Are you using enginges like Wave Creator? Or are you programming some own engines?

[@BrancoArgenta]

Amazing sounds! Is there any chance you would be able to create an M1 oscillator with the sounds like Organ and Piano?

[@denisbeinat6403]

I would like to find an oscillator to create choir sounds is this possible? Thank you for your work I am carefully following what you do.

[@1983naam]

Hello, is this possible to do with the new firmware? I can't find the detuning option.

[@danielpirone8028]

Fantastic work! Hoping for an additive some day, but I am guessing UI is too limiting

[@TimShoebridge]

The UI and the processing power :( I did actually prototype an additive oscillator many months ago but it was just too much overhead for the processor...

[@junglsmor]

have you been able to make anything sounding like this with a waldorf quantum?

[@RyanParkerTV]

Anyone know of a user effect eq or a subtle tube style saturation for the minilogue XD/prologue? I find this synth sounds way better with a mid boost. It would nice to have something built in

[@s3nsec0rruptr80]

Not sure if this fits the bill as I only just heard of it myself but @hammondeggsmusic makes an amp simulator called Cabernet, I saw something about using a nts-1 as an amp simulator for portable guitar practice, but I assume it could possibly do what you describe on the XD

[@RyanParkerTV]

@@s3nsec0rruptr80 yooo thank you for the tip! I'll check that out. Sounds like a good solution

[@FeLix-qi7ci]

Will you be able to use the noise on an nts-1 aswell, because there is no Shift Button?

[@TimShoebridge]

Yes the B control is the same as shift+shape on an XD

[@FeLix-qi7ci]

@@TimShoebridge oh thank you! I will buy the bundle this afternoon its absolutely stunning! Are you programming it from Scratch or with a Software like Wave Creator? :)

[@TimShoebridge]

@@FeLix-qi7ci Thanks a lot! Everything needs to be programmed from scratch, no shortcuts unfortunately...

[@FeLix-qi7ci]

@@TimShoebridge truely amazing. I've got deep respect for this effort! Hope you keep on working on those OSC's. I really think they make the NTS-1 such a powerful device.

[@jeepee2]

Any chance you could make a user oscillator based on the ESQ-1? I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

[@TimShoebridge]

That would be cool but first I'd need an ESQ-1 :(

[@jeepee2]

@@TimShoebridge No need for the original ESQ-1 when you've got this famous webpage: www.buchty.net/ensoniq/ I think it has everything you'd need: great sounding SQ80 emulator, original SQ-80 waveforms, etc.

[@jackcimino8822]

Does this oscillator model have aliasing? The original DW8000 had a variable sample rate or wavetable feature (higher octave = fewer harmonics) to prevent aliasing

[@TimShoebridge]

Unfortunately it does. I simply did not have any room to hold multiple copies of the waveforms which would be needed in order to simplify the higher octave waveforms. I was working on a smoothing algorithm but it ate up too much processing and I couldn't get it to work. I haven;t given up on the idea but it might take me a while to get something that works. If I do, then I'll provide it as a free upgrade to anyone who has the bought the oscilator.

[@jackcimino8822]

@@TimShoebridge I thought the DW8000 generated the additive waveforms in real time. Maybe you can use an additive algorithm

[@TimShoebridge]

@@jackcimino8822 From what I have managed to find out the waveforms are pre-sampled inside the DW synths. At higher octaves some samples are skipped. Additive would be great, I did actually prototype an additive oscillator about a year ago, trouble is it needs a lot of processing power (to generate all the necessary waveforms) that the Korg's multi-engine isn't able to provide :( PS From the questions you're asking I think you're going to be interested in the oscillator I have in development right now. Hopefully it will be ready for release in the next couple of weeks...

[@jackcimino8822]

@@TimShoebridge Sounds great! I also hope you can add a shift sync or shift ringmod to the dw oscillator

[@PC0067]

Xd or prologue?

[@gazfunk]

no paypal option?

[@TimShoebridge]

Debit and credit cards should work. Paypal ended up being a huge amount of hassle for everyone involved.

[@mammyat80s21]

I strongly advise you... KEEP your DW8000. What amazes me is that the technology is "evolving" and the sounds are getting worst. What's happening? Wouldn't we have to be seeing the opposite?