DF Direct Special: PS5 Pro Deep Dive Reaction - Tomorrow's Tech Today?

[@karls.8193]

You forgot to ask about the missing disc drive.

[@1GodExist]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@berealbud2963]

I've had one disc in my disc drive forever and that's cyberpunk because I need it for the PS5 digital upgrade verification lol fuck discs

[@joefawley9264]

No disc drive, no buy. Hoping Ps6 doesn't follow this route.

[@hiawa23]

$79.99

[@timytimeerased]

yall need to realize you're dinosaurs. You know why theres no disc drive, but you refuse to live in 2024...

[@stevel9627]

This is the most excited ive ever seen Alex talking about Sony. Possibly because he knows AMD's biggest weakness was no ML plans so were only going to get left behind even further if they didnt act on it.

[@MrFrexxia]

KZbin comments aren't great at the best of times, but I feel like the level of discourse in the DF comment section falls off a cliff whenever the PS5 Pro is mentioned.

[@joefawley9264]

You're blaming the fans for a lack of disc drive?

[@FungeHucker]

For sure 😂 people get proper aggy. It's fine to have criticisms but people don't seem to be able to engage in critical thinking to start with.

[@MrFrexxia]

@@joefawley9264 Thanks for illustrating my point perfectly

[@Inverse_Midas]

@@joefawley9264I think he is just referring to generalisations. Not specific comments about the lack of a drive. For me, when I look at when games on the standard PS5 I have, compared to the £700 pro console with no drive, no way to stand it up, not that huge of an overall improvement visually. Also, I noticed your were in another comments section on this video. Lack of Xbox sales someone mentioned compared to ps5 selling and Xbox just sits on the shelves. Well the pro is discounted already in four major retailers. I think by about £50. But discounts on a new piece of hardware suggests they ain’t flying off the shelves like a user you engaged with. I’m not a collector of discs and like the idea of digital in some ways. But unlike having the physical disc, we never own it. And Sony are testing us out and want us fully digital, so we have to buy from their store only, and pay insane prices. On disc, I love that I have 20+ places that will stock that game for me, reducing price. Hell, I even wait until price has dropped in say 6 months, and major patches have released, then drop over to eBay for a used copy at used prices!. All the best!

[@MurCurieux]

If something exists people will complain about it. Humans will find a way.

[@TheNerd]

Congratulations. The legend Mark Cerny himself quoted you guys in an official Sony PlayStation Video. I take off my hat and bow.

[@Deckeable]

...after all these PS5 pro exclusive contracts.

[@Deckeable]

...with Sony.

[@halcyondaystunes]

Why?

[@rick-deckard]

🙄​@@Deckeable

[@EcuaBlackOps212]

what quote?

[@DyeHard79]

Speaking on Project Amethyst I found it surprising Mark Cerny reiterated it is not a Playstation Proprietary initiative but meant to further the Raytracing and Machine Learning of all AMD hardware the same approach Microsoft uses with AMD and their custom silicon team trying to create an industry standard which will help them advance much faster and farther

[@cube2fox]

We don't know whether Microsoft will use AMD for their next Xbox (Xbox 5). If they do, it would be strange if Microsoft got Sony tech into Xbox via AMD.

[@KarlDag]

​​@@cube2foxMeh. Sony got a whole bunch of features in PlayStation thanks to Microsoft DirectX features that ended up being ported to Vulkan and other APIs/SDKs. It's how tech works.

[@Packin-Heat.]

​@@cube2foxGood job there won't be a next Xbox then and before you say "but they said" let me remind you they also said it would only be 4 games.

[@DyeHard79]

@cube2fox yeah we can't think about it as Sony getting Microsoft tech in their Playstation or Vice Versa they are architecting future silicon and have done it this way for generations now for example the Ray tracing standard in DirectX Nvidia innovated the hardware and Microsoft had to meet them with the software engineering to enable it what I found interesting was how Cerny talked about their project openly these types of collaborations are usually pretty secret even if they're open source

[@cromefire_]

​@@cube2foxI mean I wouldn't think they'd be part of the second part and get the models directly, but it wouldn't be far fetched if they got some of those hardware features. Or they got something of it if some stuff was made open source. In the end both Microsoft and Sony always profit from another bringing new innovations into the market, whether it seems natural or not. I don't think Sony will make their "enhanced ML architecture" their selling point, they all sell based on the software running on top of it, their own unique integrations of the technology (like PSSR) and of course their games. For the base hardware features like storage, CPU, GPU and RT they're always pretty close (as evident with the PS5 and XSX), it's how you use it that matters.

[@mattack5774]

I just keep thinking Mark Sony 😅

[@SlayerSeraph]

Well you're not wrong

[@javierf6162]

I keep thinking amanda cerny

[@mattack5774]

@@javierf6162 I wasn't until now... Just searched her .. that's certainly taken my mind off... What now 😅

[@froggydarren]

Just had a extremely clever guy give us a talk and all I see in the comments are keybored experts questioning and bashing everything he's presented 🤦 gaming nowadays is rife with miserable and toxic people and it's making this hobby un fun 😢

[@bollywongaloid]

@@froggydarren yup, not allowed to enjoy anything anymore. Misery loves company.

[@camplo195]

An unfortunate day in age we're living in nowadays.

[@jrbrawlersgaming1816]

Unfun for those weirdos...IM HAVING A BLAST!

[@blu_vin]

gamers grow old and bitter lol

[@rogerham]

15 or 20 years ago the internet was in its infancy and only a very few people had internet access. You had few annoying people but always below 10% the problem now is that the internet is accessible to everyone so you geta n accurate representation of society. It always sucked but they were miserable at home or limited to their neighborhood. Not anymore, and theyre emboldened because theyre away from immediate physical punishment.

[@starmanhov]

It's crazy Sony had the coconuts to try and make their own ML upscaler in a relatively short time.

[@tabularasa9554]

@@starmanhov technically they had help.

[@LeesChannel]

Isn't it essentially AMD's tech?

[@tabularasa9554]

@@LeesChannel yep both the CPU and GPU is based on AMD tech. The overall architecture is all Sony.

[@LeesChannel]

@@tabularasa9554 No, it's not based on AMD tech, AMD designed a semi-custom SOC for them. That *IS* AMD tech. I was referencing PSSR, which was believed to be a Sony-customized implementation of future RDNA upscaling.

[@sjneow]

Sony had excellent image enhancer and upscaler in their TV for some time now

[@SlayerSeraph]

When you realize you have 110 Minutes worth of Mark Cerny Analysis published on your regular Wednesday

[@cacheman]

9:18 Yes, they added HW stack management in RDNA3. See section 12.5.3, "DS Stack Operations for Ray Tracing" of the "RDNA3 Instruction Set Architecture: Reference Guide".

[@cacheman]

There's also an extra tunable for the box-sorting part of the intersection test, allowing you to pick if you want the closest hit, largest box or a mid-point. Each is useful in different scenarios (shadows vs reflections for instance). I happen to know there's some discussion of this by Arseny Kapoulkine in his "niagara: Tracing rays faster" stream (see the RT on RDNA / RDNA3 sections of said video).

[@bmqww223]

from what he said it seems intel and nvidia are only should be able to give proper pathtracing performance , amd doesnt have discrete RT core??? like it still runs on shading units is it what is being told?

[@or1on89]

@@bmqww223 AMD has discrete RT cores, it doesn't run on shading units (not at list on RDNA3). The difference is that AMD usses a unified pipeline for RT cores and shaders which needs a different approach to scheduling and intersection calculations. Path Tracing right now is just a Beta running on a Nvidia framework...so it is really thought for Nvidia hardware and Nvidia's approach. There is no standard for path tracing...it's like trying to run Physix on non-Physix hardware: damaged on purpose. But havok tought us that you can have valid phisics in game without the need for Physix (as impressive as Phisix was). AMD will catch up, Intel maybe, if they continue with their ARC plan. Right now no ARC card can run Path Tracing in a decent way, the juice is not there...

[@bmqww223]

@@or1on89 i have seen the b580 run rt overdrive at 30 fps with xess enable at 1080p , and the rtx 4060 can also pull that off at similar setting with dlss , so isn't intel already there ?

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

i don't wanna be a console in alex' house, imagine feeling like the least favorite child all the time.

[@pedro.alcatra]

Bro kkkkkkkk Exactly this. I treat my gaming laptop this way. It is too weak to be a gaming anything, and it is too heavy to be a fuckin laptop. It ends up being a useless piece of hardware that becomes a sore to take around

[@SyntaxDaemon]

"Your only use is to be compared to your siblings, and also you take up too much space."

[@Lavoss05]

Now that is funny😂

[@i_amChrisJxmes]

@@pedro.alcatramy gaming laptop has been relegated to music production lmao. Now it mostly acts as a paperweight😂

[@jstro-hobbytech]

Df need to hire one of the many educated community managers who are now out of work and have the education to make more sense than the knuckle-dragging explanation(s) they give of everything. It cracks me up how they can bullshit so long about topics they only know the buzzwords about. I take their explanations to mean nothing. It's like when a secretary for a doctor has to take vocabulary courses to become familiar with terms they do not understand so they can spell them faster when typing reports from dictaphone audio. They need to do better. They are the laughing stock of every other engineer I know.

[@WheeledHamster]

Glad to see Dana Carvey back.

[@kylebookout1789]

CHOPPIN BROCCOLI

[@Fanto_Sir]

@@WheeledHamster we fear change

[@WillyOD]

Excellent.

[@federicomanueldavila9853]

Party on Garth!... i guess.

[@ChicagoBulls1984]

If you're gonna spew, spew into this!!!

[@andrewfield4187]

My take from all these Mark Cerny videos today is that the PS5 Pro and PSSR are just tools for a massive shakedown period ready to launch in good spec for the PS6. I'm happy to wait this out with my base PS5

[@pietroscarpa2384]

You are missing out on a lot of games that look and run better on the pro, but I totally understand if you want to wait.

[@VoxyGon]

Really enjoying the openness being displayed by Sony here with their hardware and their goals, its very fascinating to get insight into such specific details.

[@vintatsh]

Christmas came early! Was not expecting this series of Mark Cerny deep dive goodness today. I love this stuff.

[@sylenzZ-80]

Jumped into the PS5 generation with the Pro and i'm having an absolute BLAST! with it 💯

[@Geert890]

what do you play? I'd like to get one but honestly no idea what I'd get apart from GT7, rest just seems nicer on PC

[@sylenzZ-80]

@@Geert890 I think it's hard to recommend it when you already own a decent PC since Playstation releases their games on that plattform, sooner or later. I came here for the powerful hardware as a console gamer and to enjoy the exclusives like the Horizon series, Nioh 1&2, FFVII Remake & Rebirth or other thirds with a decent quality.

[@noname-yb5jt]

Gran Turismo had always been the only reason to get playstation.

[@Geert890]

@@noname-yb5jt don't tell me you forgot about mgs

[@VergilHiltsLT]

@@sylenzZ-80 FFVII Remake and Rebirth, Nioh 1 & 2 and Horizon are not exclusives. Not any longer. And the "powerful hardware" you mention is overpriced. Look up the benchmarks.

[@ShayONFarsi]

We're objectively seeing some really cool and clever tech implementation where offerings matches and even exceeds $700 price tag and ofc, DF's discussion around it but some people in this comment section add nothing but childish jokes, or petty comments to feel better whatever they own over PS5 Pro.

[@John4343sh]

People have no idea what is on the horizon. AI graphics will completely dominate the industry. We have only just seen the start of this revolution. Look at Nvidia's latest neural rendering. Which will allow us to have film level assets in a game running in real time. It is absolutely outstanding what is even achievable today, the next few years are going to be a wild ride.

[@ShadowMan64572]

You sound like anyone would be jealous of not owning a PS5 Pro, or feel like they're missing out on anything particularly interesting. Trust me, nobody feels that way lmao.

[@ShayONFarsi]

@@ShadowMan64572 if someone doesn't think not owning most powerful Console currently available is not missing out yet takes time and energy to clown on it then the issue is even bigger than jealousy!

[@burakoz984]

700$ with disc drive and vertical stand would be expensive but fair. Disc drive unit cost is no more than 25$. In Europe price is 120€ premium for already more expensive than tax difference price of 800€. Sony is ripping people off double with Pro. If they really had to make it 700$ for cost reasons, they could make it 750$ with dics drive and still earn more per unit but that would mean no second raund from stupid expensive add-on. Complaining before buying is definetly more constructive for consumer since otherwise winner is Corpo who already got your money.

[@ShadowMan64572]

@@ShayONFarsi It's 2024. "Most powerful console" means nothing. What's the PS5 going to do that PCs can't? Unique fog and rain effects NO other platform could do like in the PS2 days? Lol, it's just a 8/10 PC, deal with it.

[@sockatume]

It surprises me that DF never talks about the acoustic design of these systems, which I know from some of their presentations is actually an important topic for Sony. From the silent PS3 through the unexpectedly loud coil noise on the PS5 and the wide selection of weird fan noises offered by different component suppliers on the PS5 Slim and Pro, there’s a lot of compromises and challenges to talk about. Microsoft’s excellent work on acoustic design after the Xbox 360 debacle also merits investigation.

[@froggydarren]

@@sockatume silent ps3? Ya the first week of use 🤣 MS design is better but costs far more hench there seriously struggling, they have only just been able to shrink there apu die size while sony has had die shrinks for years now 🤷 ones more efficient and ones more cost effective

[@slot9]

Sweet! The surprise appearance of Mark's video, this video and Oliver's interview were a wonderful Christmas present! The future of gaming graphics sure is interesting!

[@cube2fox]

With the close collaboration between Sony and AMD the core question for me is: how does Microsoft fit into the picture? They are also on the AMD train. If AMD GPUs will be using Sony technology for their future upscaling solution, will the next Xbox end up with Sony tech inside?! Or is this a sign that Microsoft is moving away from AMD?

[@aaronclay4665]

check the last 10 years..........microsoft DOES NOT FIT into the pictures.....they are going 3rd party (they bacisly are 3rd party now) and mark said that the amystest is not just a playstion exclusive colab (i think the point is to dethrown nivida and as long as ppl are useing amd hardware they dont care) but this also goes to my inintal point.........sony prob almost and proby DO have an agreement with microsft to have them exit the console space(if you ask me it was during the abk deal as a way to let micosoft get abk with the agreement they will take steps to laeave hardware and go 3rd party) but everything microsoft has done since the abk deal was telling there player base that "everything is an xbox" and actively working to get there base off of the console and on pc oro ps5....

They are not on the picture, MS is now mostly out of console business

[@digranes1976]

In the Cerny video he talked about licensing fees. Sony won’t have to pay because they co-developed it. MS will. Essentially MS will be paying Sony/AMD to use it.

[@ReasonBeing25]

It wasn't the focus of this episode, so it wasn't brought up, but there has been ongoing a tech collaboration between AMD and MS as well. You can't think of it as Sony's tech in a Xbox, because if you did that, you would have to say there is MS tech inside Sony's PS5 Pro, specifically around the ray tracing hardware. In other words, there is nothing novel nor unique about this. These partnerships with MS and Sony have been going on since the early 2000's.

[@cube2fox]

@@ReasonBeing25 Not sure there was anything like "Amethyst" announced before. Do you have a source?

[@kusumayogi7956]

My prediction is right, PS5 PRO is still use RDNA 2 but with extra better ray tracing and AI. RDNA 3 and 4 use double shaders per SM per CUs, like nvidia rtx 3000 and 4000. That is why RDNA 3 have double Tflops but not double performance. Ps5 pro doesnt have double tflops. It is 16.7 tflops not 33 tflops like others prediction. I believe sony do that for backward compatibility by using custom RDNA 2

[@imaginalex5850]

it's just the ps5 base with 2 upscalers, it's a gimmick, thank sony for being scammed.

[@kiisseli1337]

We all knew it would be inflated number like all GPU’s these days if 33

[@hiawa23]

Loved it. Thank you, teacher Cerny.

[@almondxsant4047]

Thank god it was Olie who did the interview. Not Alex! Yikes!

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

pssr is still in beta otherwise ps5 pro would have been worth it , pssr needs time

[@WWEMomentsHD1]

If it could be switched off by choice within the system software it would be great.

[@jeofthevirtuoussand]

@WWEMomentsHD1 if only it was an upscaler on a driver level instead of per implementation🙏

[@sjneow]

@@jeofthevirtuoussand driver level upscaler isnt as good, it is why both Nvidia/AMD both have them but dont really use them

[@davidsentanu7836]

Tomorrow's Technology Today was my favorite magazine back then in the 2000s!

[@ScrapKing73]

I enjoyed the dueling pronunciation of the word "presentation" between Oliver (who pronounced it the way that's typical in my experience in Canada) and Alex (who pronounces it some other way that I've never heard from a living human in the same room as me). It was great. :-D

[@joejoe2658]

ZERO MENTION OF VR2, AGAIN, ON THIS CHANNEL. because IGNorant own this channel now and are out to murder the platform.

[@Alcatraz760]

The only thing that kept entering my mind as I watched the presentation was "Nvidia did that". Like better ray tracing performance, the idea of a machine learning upscale, even the hint of frame generation and ray tracing denoising as future playstation spectral targets. Mark cerny is definitely watching that NVIDIA CES 2025 conference.

[@ScyrousFX]

I get your point, but like... NVIDIA only started focusing on ML-based upscaling and raytracing with the RTX 2000 series in 2018. The consoles launched in 2020, and development on those started a few years prior to that. There's no way we were ever going to see a major focus on upscaling or RT in a 2020 console. I think Sony had the right idea by dipping their toes in these things ahead of PS6. Microsoft on the other hand... they've got nothing so far. If they're doing a premium Xbox console at all next generation, it's gonna have to compete with PSSR 2.0 right from the start.

[@mobbaddictchannel]

​@@ScyrousFXdon't Microsoft have a similar upscaler on their Windows laptops?

[@ScyrousFX]

@@mobbaddictchannel AutoSR? It’s extremely limited in its current form, to the point where it’s an apples vs oranges comparison. It’s closer to FSR 1 at this stage.

[@fungerhord]

After all this coverage, I still don't feel like I am missing out on anything with skipping the Pro and I would fall into the target audience. Lack of disc drive and price in my country was a bridge too far for me.

[@blazenfate]

You didn't buy one, so clearly your not. I did, and I'm glad I did.

[@densakai]

You falls into the audience of no gives af whether you buy it or not😂

[@fungerhord]

@densakai I'll let you beta test the PSSR upscaling model for $700 USD of your own money so it's actually ready when the PS6 launches

[@77sl33zy77]

@@blazenfateto be fair, not too many people are going to admit it if they weren’t happy after spending $700+

[@RizzMafia_]

@@blazenfatewell said 💯

[@lesserlogic9977]

When I was a kid one of my favorite stones/crystals was an amethyst agate. I think this collaboration will be long-term huge for AMD and sony. AMD working out the hardware while Sony works on software. They both specialize in each category

[@OnionMad]

why is this coming in so late after launch???

[@MrFrexxia]

Because the PS5 pro presentation they're talking about was only made public today

[@joefawley9264]

@@OnionMad poor sales most likely

[@iPh1l1pp]

Poor sales.

[@MikeDerucki0]

Drip drip drip drip.... New consoles are rare events, they want to milk every drop out of this as long as they can

[@michahojwa8132]

Smells like desperation, like low black friday sales. My friends console had defect, textures flicker, you could see black triangles. About the current performance of ps5pro - I say embrace it. Skip stupid upscaler, go with fsr3.1.3 + fg - it insta fixes resolution and low fps problems. Use AI for gimmicks and new features. Release tech demos or beta releases that ommit costly QA process. Sony is too stupid to do community driven settings presets but there are other routes totally open and ready to use.

[@samthomas6045]

I really wished they had used, dare I say, a bespoke approach to cooling this thing. Yet, they are still using the multi manufacturer approach, so just like the ps5 it’s a lottery if you get a quiet one or not.

[@dcarpenter85]

Why is this video just coming out now when the pro has been out for a month and a half? I’m confused

[@PumKnH3D]

You act like that amount of time is forever ago lol

[@vulcantuminello1127]

It's essentially a commercial as PS5 Pro flopped pretty hard.

[@aaronclay4665]

@@vulcantuminello1127 the ps5 pro has sold more than the ps4 pro in the same amount of time 50% more, and the pro was 19%of all ps5 sold last month.......... so stop hateing, its selling better than any mid gen refresh

[@bdgrey]

@@vulcantuminello1127 Only in your mind did it flop. In reality it's been more successful than the PS4 Pro. Here's some copium 🧃

[@那人冷靜一點]

​@@aaronclay4665 "sold more than the ps4pro" is a very low bar😂

[@Neolibrium1776]

Whoa the animated borders in this video are awesome.

[@TheSoxor123]

I have a PC and PS5 Pro and I play on my PS5 Pro. Is there something wrong with me? Everyone keeps telling me to get a PC instead but I play my Pro more.

[@Trobott]

Just play on whatever you like. Freaks who care about your preference don't matter

[@lutherheggs451]

I know for a FACT that my PC is far more powerful than any of the people who cry that people should get a PC and I still wanted and could afford a Pro so I purchased one.... Some people seem to have a hard time grasping that when you live in adult world and have an adult level career/job that isn't "cashier" part time and you spend 12-14hrs working on a PC that playing games on a PC might just feel like work, so you play games on a console to avoid that

[@NikolaiBelinsk1]

You’re old dude prob in your 30s so the console market is for you

[@soundscaperecordings1111]

Gta 6 mate we all ready with the pro

[@luism8130]

I’ll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.

[@Wombat57484]

You do realise that is Mark watches DF he also knows you've been calling PSSR "pisser"? 😂

[@ouederninizar5422]

What nanometres the pro is ?

[@or1on89]

6nm, uses the same node process of the 'Slim'

[@kato093]

​@@or1on89lies everywhere... It's TSMC's 5nm node.

[@or1on89]

@@kato093 no, it doesn’t. Apart from wild rumors, chip measurements and the fact that is still Zen2+RDNA2 with updated instruction set aligns with the use of 6N or 6N+ for this console.

[@ouederninizar5422]

@@or1on89 But the DIE is to small ! smaller than the slim !!

[@ouederninizar5422]

@@or1on89 So why the apu is so small ?

[@JerryFlowersIII]

I wouldn't be surprised if the PS and AMD partnership leads to AMD using PSSR as their ML Upscaler for PC GPUs. I think it'd be beneficial to work together rather than individually working on ANOTHER Upscaler on the pile.

[@luism8130]

Why would anyone use PSSR when it looks like ass and DLSS is much better… As a PC gamer I have zero interest in PSSR. It’s expensive and looks like crap.

[@LuizFernando-li1du]

​@@luism8130DLSS also looked like crap at first, maybe PSSR has more headroom for improvement compared to what AMD is doing for FSR3. And it's weird that Sony and AMD are making a partnership just to develop different AI-based upscalers (FSR4 and PSSR). I also think it would make more sense to join efforts on a single solution.

[@LEEROY_UK]

No, they have invested in FSR

[@cube2fox]

So will the next Xbox have PSSR as well? 🤔

[@aaronclay4665]

@@cube2fox there wont be a next xbox..........if you are an xbox users get out now, just buy a playstion 5 pro, keep your xbox and play ur library games on ur xbox, but buy new games on the pro, thats what my friends did.

[@davidvillamarin-lj2pf]

Not even with such a cool talk some can't leave out the console war. There isn't any. It's over. It's not that hard to understand. Everything is coming to the ps5 and pro. Everything is an xbox.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Almost correct, except it's "everything is coming to PC".

[@srabanikarmakar5094]

Here we go again, Microsoft - Nvidia shill Alex 🤡 Battaglia again' making shit up about Playstation

[@pichael2405]

Wow didn’t realise how much of an improvement the pro was, fantastic console honestly.

[@gangs0846]

Absolutely not fantastic in real life unfortunately

[@kresimirmandic3807]

This was an enjoyment to watch as is usual with DF content. I'm happy with the direction (vision) PlayStation is heading and will happily buy PS5 Pro despite some starting PSSR and general implementation issues. My backlog is large so I'm gonna benefit greatly on numerous titles.

[@guyjackson4165]

Not a single utterance of the words "PS5 professional". Did Cerny ask you to stop calling it that?

[@cube2fox]

I guess you didn't watch carefully, Rich did say "PS5 professional".

[@aaronclay4665]

why would cerny tell them to stop calling it that.........thats what the PRO in ps5 pro stands for..............

[@BurritoKingdom]

John isn't there. John was the one who likes calling it Professional.

[@mobbaddictchannel]

​@@BurritoKingdomand the PS triple. He comes up with the nicknames

[@R17759]

@@mobbaddictchannelI think Chad Worden coined PS Triple

[@redbeard5069]

Was this episode recorded previously closer to the launch of the pro…? Something seems off

[@NotoriousRawDogger]

Am just happy I got another Mark Cerny ASMR

[@PSYCOMMUnist]

In order for them to show off cool new games with the reveal there'd have to be actual PS5 games coming out, let alone ones that aren't just playable movies and remakes of remakes of playable movies.

[@DanDaMaN95cov]

Make more disc drives!!! Its been sold out Australia wide for months!

[@connor_the_otter]

If they weren't so greedy they woulda included it with the thing alongside the stand.

[@Thehoneybadger90]

not just autralia, worldwide

[@florinf5825]

It is intentionally . The less disc drive available the more digital games are sell (keep in mind Playstation does 30% for each digital copy but not much on the disc)

[@zerosolis6664]

​@@connor_the_otterYou don't realize that the console would've been $800 instead. Disc drives cost a lot to make

[@WMCheerman]

Great work guys!

[@credfield8846]

Sold my PS5 and 2 games for $450.00 Got a few gift cards for Christmas totalling up to $150.00 Snagged a disk drive at MSRP. Purchased the PS5 Pro hassle free. Best Christmas ever.

[@cube2fox]

You are a week too early!

[@treomoe]

You don't believe that.

[@ZackSNetwork]

Waste of time and money.

[@CyberMonty2077]

Merry Christmas 🎄

[@juddmcelroy3888]

Worth

[@Ioganstone]

I'd be happy to witness a spectral joint venture between AMD and Sony

[@JeannieLove]

The future looks bright. Also, you're welcome PS5 Pro haters, it's because of ppl like me, the PS6 is gonna be where it's at.

[@joefawley9264]

@@JeannieLove hopefully it has a disc drive.

[@freddywayne]

Spoken like a true Beta-Tester 👍🏾

[@JeannieLove]

@freddywayne like that's a bad thing

[@ZackSNetwork]

Nah the PS5 Pro is a scam.

[@freddywayne]

@@JeannieLove - 🤭 Don't feel bad. I was a beta-tester for the Xbox One X. At least Sony isn't telling you guys what you are after they've discontinued the console. Shame on you Microsoft. 🤨

[@aggies11]

Great discussion.

[@Sambrowski10]

Oliver, well done Sir. Great interview.

[@fernandob3662]

In my country its insane what they charge for a game console. About 1500 USD for the PRO last time I saw it at resellers. The worst thing is that that is not Sony's official price for the country (probably around 1800 USD if I add an additional 40% on the current official PS5 price which is 1300). For example at 1500 USD price point you could build a nice setup here (R7 8700F or R5 7600X, RTX 4070 Super, B650 board, 32GB 6000MT/s, 2TB NVME 7000MB/s, 750w certified PSU, an ATX/M-ATX case with tempered glass and ARGB fans). Its nuts that a more capable wise spec PC is cheaper than the console.

[@sjneow]

that sounds like maybe a result of game consoles/hardwares are being taxed as some kind of luxury item

[@perrythesylvester]

@fernandob3662 why are you buying from resellers? Does Sony not ship to your country?

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

In my country they're going for minimum 900$ upto 1000$ if converted to USD from resellers as they're not available officially yet. Of course building a gaming PC is on the table but building one as good as good as just the base ps5 will cost the same price as the pro if not more than

[@fernandob3662]

@@perrythesylvester resellers are cheaper than Sony here as crazy as it sounds. Some import them on their own and offer a better price.

[@fernandob3662]

@@sjneow It goes a little that way and on the other there are surcharges in the console market, but they are validated by a large part of consumers.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Great discussion folks.

[@joefawley9264]

@@MrInuhanyou123 have to disagree.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@joefawley9264 what do you disagree on

[@Den0n0815]

Love the videos

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

I thought the 'spectral' part of the acronym meant that there would be a lot of ghosting.

[@jmcdermott53]

"Spectre" vs. "Sprectral", the joke could've worked.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

@@jmcdermott53 What do you mean?

[@sermerlin1]

Folks... Just imagine PS5 pro deep dive was actually the first video for the PS5 pro presenting the PS5 pro to the world... Instead of that 10 minute bullsh*t video.

[@HablaConOwens]

Loved the interview. You can tell they had the ps6 on their minds.

[@joepaolinelli7696]

I was very hesitant to buy my PS5 pro but when I finally pulled the trigger I didnt regret my decision with what I bought. As a serious everyday, every game, gamer, Im happy with the upgrade in every way... except where pssr or whatevers making a few games shimmer and its just a wait until they fix it like Avatar and some others. Like the pro update to Warhammer made a night and day improvement IMO. Also something great about Miles Morales this playthrough in on pro, my jaw is on the floor with graphical amazement. Get it for Christmas if your an everyday gamer and have money to also buy games... imagine spending 700 dollars on a call of duty machine. At least get the Extra pass for an enormous library to play this thing. Of coarse it could be better but it is what it is and its giving me what ps4 pro gave us and more.

[@DarkP1]

everything is good until you see sony can't keep prices low, so you might as well get a decent GPU and skip dealing with their woes and paywall for online playing

[@Ardonous458]

But then we’d have to deal with hackers on every multiplayer game

[@Crimsongz]

@@Ardonous458Never saw one

[@aaronclay4665]

@@Crimsongz cap..........they just put denuvo in all games for fun right? stop the cap, pc gamers are hella cheaters and yea, they need to stop with tthe "pay for play online" because HALF of the games you dnot have to pay to play online any game that is FREE 2 PLAY is free to play online(you have to be online to play the game so you can play it without paying for it) if you have a sub to a game its free to play online also ( like mmos ) the only games you STILL need to pay to play online are the single palyer games with multipplayer function like elden ring, black ops 6 ect ect you know all the games you pay 70 bucks for......... you be suprised how many games you dont have to pay to play online for anymore. and ps+ gives you 3 or 4 free games a month to download that you can play as long as you have a sub (i have over 200 games ) so for 150 bucks the base 1 year cost of ps+ you get at lest 3 games a month for free each month( you dont chose the games) so thats 36 games a year that means you pay 4 bucks and 10 cent per game if you download all of the games that year 150/36 its over blown, that ppl cry about it the cost of ps+ is liek 11 bucks or 12bucks a month the cost of a large coffie from starbucks or a quarter pounder meal from fast food. if any of that is keeping ppl from gaming on console ....................then you need to stop gaming on anything and get your money right

[@DarkP1]

@ there are cheats on console, walmart sells an attachment for the controller that uses scripts , or simply USB plugs that can load those scripts too

[@DyeHard79]

Pretty fascinating presentation especially the Machine Learning and Architecture segments and Cernys reasoning of Foregoing RDNA 3 for the base architecture do to backward compatibility reasons which raises some interesting questions for the future PS6 and which parts of the newer tech they will go with Sonys always been good at divining which technologies will best benefit their devs overall

[@ReforgeGaming]

great info about the ps5 pro, boys! thanks!

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

If you are wondering how smart he is: _Cerny left UC Berkley at 17 to join Atari and later Sega in the 80s, then Crystal Dynamics and Universal Games in the 90s. He never finished college._

[@LegacyRap7777]

Elon musk was a college drop out. Many of the greatest entrepreneurs of today dropped out of college, it doesn't reflect how smart someone is, I would argue it's quite the opposite. Cerny is a million times smarter then you with real accomplishments and wealth, and you? Some broke KZbin commenter that lives at home with Mommy still, stay in your lane kid, until you release a console, don't speak.

[@freddywayne]

😬

[@LegacyRap7777]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki he's smart enough that he's the architect for PlayStation Vita, PS4 & PS5 & PS5 PRO. That smart. Mind you, Elon musk is also a college drop out and he's a modern day Genius. You are clueless.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

@@LegacyRap7777 _...he transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied until 1995. Although Musk has said that he earned his degrees in 1995, the University of Pennsylvania did not award them until 1997 - a Bachelor of Arts in physics and a Bachelor of Science in economics from the university's Wharton School._ -Wikipedia Do your research.

[@LegacyRap7777]

@Boss_Fight_Index_muki if you're not aware of the long list of entrepreneurs that dropped out of college and are billionaires today you are absolutely more clueless then I could have ever imagined

[@tuapuikia]

I think DF video is based on observation and not from technical documents. I'm glad Sony released the technical video for people like me .

[@TheNerd]

Comments about the lack of a Disc drive are annyoing. Customers are to blame for the lack of the disc drive. Why? Because the biggest Blu-Ray manufacturers are stopping producing these drives one by one. Why? Because no one buys them anymore. If there was ANY money to be had for these companies, they would produce them. People who want a disc drive are basically blaming themselves without even realising it. "I want a Disc Drive in my PS5" is basically the same as saying "I like to write letters with a typewriter and send them across the planet by mail". Times have changed. Get used to it and think about game preservation instead of complaining on social media about something that you (as a customer) started in the first place and you can not change anymore. It's 15 years too late. Or do you still listen to music with a Sony Walkman?.... man people are so stupid its so annoying....

[@KaiMax_23]

Own nothing and be happy then.

[@juddmcelroy3888]

Disc drive in 4K movies is better audio and quality. Without disc drive we watch lower quality

[@dradis1]

Nail on the head. The market spoke, the manufacturers listened. Simple as that. Disc drives just aren't a big deal for most consumers anymore.

[@acf8888]

Your analogy does not fit. Physical games are still relevant because it gives the consumer more than one store to choose from. You can always find a game at a reduced price physically while that is not the case for digital.

[@dradis1]

@@acf8888 that doesn’t matter if most consumers do not make that choice. A business will not just keep producing something to offer a choice if that choice doesn’t result in profits. How is FYE doing? How is Sam Goody? How is Suncoast? Those are all examples of where things are going in video games because consumers are largely choosing digital. It happened already in movies and music, it’s happening now in video games.

[@PixelisedPaul]

The future of gaming is fetch quests. Always three items. Graphics can look great but essentially it's fetch quests.

[@azazelleblack]

Stop playing western AAA garbage. Play real video games. Go play Trepang2. Or Death May Die. Or one of the great games coming out of China these days.

[@zerosolis6664]

Tf kind of games are you playing? Play some God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Elden Ring, The Legend of Heroes, Persona, Shin Megami Tensei, Metaphor, Spiderman, The Witcher, Uncharted, Astro Bot, the Final Fantasy VII Remake series, the Resident Evil franchise. Go pick up Silent Hill 2 remake and enjoy the experience. I don't think its the industry's fault for your taste in video games.

[@PixelisedPaul]

@@zerosolis6664 calm down, dear! I was making a satirical comment about the state of game design in 2024. That being said, I have played quite a few of the games you've listed and they aren't that much better to be honest.

[@mukulnag1578]

When ever i hear the big three i just remembered.... Its just big me ....

[@bollywongaloid]

Really been loving my PS5 Pro tbh. It differs from title to title but the likes of Stella Blade and FFXVII Rebirth are a night and day difference to the base model. Only thing I dislike is that it’s slightly louder than my old ps5 but that’s a given I guess

[@joefawley9264]

I don't see much of a difference from graphics mode.

[@bollywongaloid]

@ on which game, Stella Blade? In Pro mode with HFR on I’m getting 80fps with an image that may as well be native 4k. You need the right TV

[@FungeHucker]

@@bollywongaloid the guy who replied to you doesn't actually have a Pro, so they're going off of YT video comparisons and still shots. Seeing the console in motion on a 4k 120hz TV is pretty eye-opening with what it can deliver.

[@idakev]

​​@@FungeHucker That guy is trolling anyone who posts anything positive, so yeah, you're right

[@nikitos3558]

​@@bollywongaloidFF7 offers a huge upgrade, Stellar Blade doesnt. The Pro mode looks almost the same as the old balanced mode on my LG G4.

[@TheLevitatingChin]

Yesterday's tech today!

[@devilmaycry383]

Like my PS5 Pro i have always been a console gamer. Sometimes, i questioned why i spent so much on building a 4090 gaming PC, which i hardly get time to use.

[@loldoctor]

That must be really hard for you.

[@ade-d435]

What a flex.

[@JPdelaGhetto]

My 3080ti machine may be the last PC I bother with for a long time. Consoles caught up and give exactly what I want in a much easier to use and more optimized package. Outside of exclusives like some MMOs I may be done.

[@NeovanGoth]

Is your PC sitting next to the PS5, being connected to your TV? I've noticed that it makes a huge difference. It's still a bit less comfortable than a console thanks to the usual PC quirks, but it's almost there when done right, and the end result in terms of performance and image quality is much appreciated.

[@JPdelaGhetto]

@@NeovanGoth I usually bring my P25 Pro and Series X to my desk and take advantage of my much better monitor. And depending on the game plug in my mouse and keyboard. Consoles can give me the experience they PC has with almost now hassle anymore. No battling with drivers and settings and the image quality (depending on developer and game) really isn’t much less. There was a generation when the jump was incredible, but not any longer. I’m also a firm believer that ray tracing is not worth the expense and completely over hyped and under delivered.

[@NightWanderer31415]

It can't read my physical games so it might as well be a 0 TFLOP toaster.

[@curtk8130]

I can’t be the only person not blown away by the pro. I’m blaming it on the developers more than the hardware. Hopefully little by little each new game and update gets better. Pssr will get better but right now I’m just not feeling my $700 was a great investment.

[@trentonscism]

We have only seen the updated games. The big releases will see the better improvements over ps5. Death Stranding 2, etc.

[@yomamasohot6411]

The tech is in it's infancy but tech advancement is rapid and you will see the difference in coming years

[@danloki78]

For now I'm a little underwhelmed. Games like star wars silent hill. Both in my collection look awful at 60. I think it has potential but do we have enough time before ps6. I'm in the camp that I think the ps5 still has potential I bought the pro on the whim that it had bridged that gap. I'm wrong ATM.

[@crymsonenigma]

I'm mean, if your only experience is two games that don't perform as intended, why would you not get what does to form an opinion? Sounds suspect, tbh. This thing is amazing with several games, War Hammer 40k Dark Tide/ Space Marines 2, Alan Wake, Stellar Blade, Dragon's Dogma, Wukong, Motorfest, Rise of the Ronin, Demon's Souls, Call of Duty, Spiderman, Gran Turismo, Resident Evil 4/Village and many more that I've tested. Seems like you need to buy more games that actually take advantage of the hardware.

[@tchlin]

If you don't have enough one get a better tv. Preferably an oled with 120hz and vrr.

[@gungchern5840]

The biggest blue-ray driver manufacturers have reduced their production plans,since people prefers streaming platform like Netflix, Amazon Prime, and e.t.c., the future will be the disk drivers become an accessory. And PS5 era, the console price is higher and stable, the PS5 pro price is a result of consideration of trade-in. I really don't think PS5 pro as a half gen upgrade is for everyone, since the base version is more affordable especially during the holidays.

[@SupaPictave]

More like today's tech available tomorrow.

[@timsmyth7942]

more like cry more

[@randys8974]

Hopefully you can afford one

[@luism8130]

All of this tech is nearly a decade old lol. Console owners getting scammed again, welcome to the present guys. Now fork over $700 😂

[@mitsuhh]

@@luism8130 Got any proof?

[@Flokker]

My experiences with the PS5 pro compared to the slim have been great. I tested them both and maybe my slim unit was malfunctional but it was very loud, lost its output signal often when going from menu to games, and generally had super low framerate 4k output. The ps5 pro isnt the be all end all but it sure doesnt have a lot of these problems. Im content with keeping the pro and sent my slim back during the 3 and a half weeks I tested them both.

[@kamrankazemifar]

PS6 is going to cheaper at around £600 *controller and disc drive sold separately*

[@kingkrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa4527]

This is making me look forward to the future of hardware and games after the 9th gen. We are not even taking full advantage of the much faster and higher bandwidth storage. After the 9th generation developers should have more experience and knowledge with working with these new technologies.

[@Lewdology]

I might be stuck in the past, but it's just such a shame to see all these advancements, big and small and not using them for older titles. Like Bloodborne and Gravity Rush 2, both still at 30 fps. Especially GR2 with all of its physics simulation would look amazing at higher framerate. I'd like to see Sony utilize their hardware on their software more thoroughly. Right now it feels like bandaid solutions to problems that might have not even needed to exist in the first place, if more care went into development and planning of the games.

[@ScyrousFX]

This is completely on the developers and not Sony. Even if they delivered a PS5 Pro with performance better than an RTX 4090, you'd still be seeing games that run at 1080p 30fps because many developers can't be bothered to update their games and increase resolution/framerate. Or they're so incompetent they can't get the game to a stable place even on PS5 Pro hardware (Elden Ring). It's why I ultimately think PC is the better platform. Optimization might be worse, and aging hardware will be noticeable after a while, but atleast you have full control over the games you play. I find it irritating that I can play Elden Ring at 60fps on my RTX 2070, but the more powerful consoles (Series X, PS5 and PS5 Pro) cannot, due to poor graphics/resolution configurations on FromSoftware's end.

[@unnoticedhero1]

The issue with Bloodborne is that FromSoft almost never goes back and works on older console versions of games and the only reason games like DS3 and Sekiro run at 60fps is because they were patched for the last gen mid-generation refreshes to have an unlocked framerate. Sony also owns or at least co-owns the IP but since FromSoft made the game means they'd have to be the ones to patch it, it was also co-developed by Japan Studio which Sony closed down every dev under that label except for Team Asobi who made Astro Bot, so there's like nobody who could patch it currently. It's also possible they don't wanna patch it because Bluepoint could be remastering/remaking the game, and I know not everyone liked the direction they took with the art style in Demon's Souls but Sony knows they'd lose sales on a remake if they just released a 60fps patch for the base game because everyone is asking for just that.

[@pian-0g445]

@@unnoticedhero1 Another reason it may not have been patched is because, since FS is no longer working with Sony, are not obligated to. So why would they. Especially as I believe they've stated they did not have a great time working under Sony (may be wrong).

[@pian-0g445]

Unfortunately, that aspect is up the devs. And super unfortunately, Japan Studio, who made Gravity Rush and helped with bloodbourne, got closed down (remaments of them live on with Team Aosobi). While FromSoftware did make Bloodbourne, it is owned by Sony. And since they don't work with them anymore, have no obligation to. I imagine though Bloodbourne will get a remaster like Demon Soul one day. (Probably PS6 though, since Bluepoint is currently developing their very own IP).

[@thatdarnskag5043]

​@@ScyrousFX Had the same irritation you did with Elden Ring but for me, it's Red Dead 2. What pisses me off about that one is that it's just plain greed, because god knows friggin' _Rockstar_ could easily put out a High rez/60FPS patch for current gen, but they're probably holding off on it so as to sell "current gen" copies, most likely at full price as well. 😞

[@peterlegend]

Why do people keep asking about the CPU? A new CPU signifies a new generation whereas PS5 Pro is a mid-gen update. You think developers would happily spend a bunch more hours incorporating a new architecture into their console development?

[@MarekPlacek-be3lp]

Today's tech, tomorrow.

[@DominicSnyder]

My guy didn't know what "amethyst" is? C'mon, Oliver.

[@Drum2]

Not sure about anyone else but Im seeing great improvements across the board over my older tech Launch PS5. Can't wait for GTA6! Great video for getting the full tech upgrade details.

[@aaronclay4665]

same

[@huzaifahshaikh1535]

Amethyst will be used also for Playstation handheld, it's my prediction. Just like upscaling PS5 games, looks like Amethyst will allow all games to downscale for light level hardware like Playstation handheld.

[@ajwtf6539]

I think of Wayne's world every time I see him

[@LuxuryTurtle]

100% of the time for me too 😂

[@holamoco]

The PS5 Pro the best console ever made ❤

[@capitan_sevilla]

I didn't expect to see Garth, from Wayne's World, talking about PS5's tecnology. Fascinating

[@vegangames3468]

No way.

[@Sipu79]

Way!

[@vegangames3468]

@@Sipu79 no way.

[@MurCurieux]

Rock On, Garth!

[@corptusion]

If you watch marks video, he mentioned they didn’t want to make an additional burden on developers to code for both Rdna 2 and rdna 3 or 4. They way developers can make a ps5 game and then enhance it with ps5 pro easily. Nice to see Sony have the developer in mind. Plus they need to save full rdna 4+ (or whatever it will be) for the ps6 😅

[@MeniscoManeiro]

Uhm...this feels like an Ad

[@Novachrono96]

So will PSSR get better over time before ps6? I mean will the games on ps5 pro be "better" over time?

[@DanteZful]

Absolutely. A lot of the games weren’t even able to use the best version of PSSR out yet.

[@glowinTHX]

what is the point of outputting 4k if the internal resolution is so low that it shimmers more than native 1080p?

[@ZackSNetwork]

Output resolution is not the same as native resolution and upscaled resolution. Being able to support an image being displayed at 4K is not the same as running a game at native 4K. If you believe Output resolution is pointless because the device does not have the power to utilize it in games. Look at the Nintendo Switch. Games are pixilated, blurry and have a Vaseline effect on most 4k TV’s due to its lack of 4k output.

[@VergilHiltsLT]

@@ZackSNetwork What are you talking about... The dude literally asked what is the point of outputting 4K, when the internal/native resolution is much lower. He obviously already knows what you're regurgitating here. 4K output without the power to actually run the game at least at 1440p is useless. 1080p will not scale well to 4K displays. That's what he already said.

[@AeonGreyh]

Did they mention anything about when PSSR is coming to PSVR2?

[@yomamasohot6411]

Im pretty sure any VR games that release on the PS5 Pro will have PSSR

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Actually "Spectral" can make sense: 1) related to colors of a spectrum, here the AI stuff is adding new image data, and each pixel is made of 3 color components, so basically the job of the AI is to find the right colors for every pixel; 2) related to ghosts, here the AI is almost "inventing" new data, that are not the real data that was computed but something else, like a ghost... and there's even ghosting which of course everyone is trying to eliminate.

[@sjneow]

also look up the word Spectral Imaging

[@Retroactiveadjustment]

And despite all of this games will be developed to typically meet the minimum broadest spec, and with Sony releasing their games to PC, that’s around a GTX 1060. Great.

[@lifson22]

As a ps5 pro buyer I've been extremely underwhelmed. Yes stellar blade looks better, but I honestly think ff7 rebirth still looks awful outside of cutscenes. The skin shading makes the characters look terrible during gameplay in my opinion, and it still looks flat on pro. I bought from costco and used my drive my my base slim model, and I'll be returning the pro in a couple weeks.

[@davidvillamarin-lj2pf]

Of course you did. And now waste time putting that wonderful comment. Really smart.

[@simonbrandy9662]

​@davidvillamarin-lj2pf why is it so hard to believe? I returned mine to Amazon (after 3 weeks) for similar reasons. If I could attach a screen shot of my Amazon return, I would. It just isn't worth the £700 price tag. The best looking games I seen on it were the Horizon games. The downside being the games aren't very good. In a nutshell, the games are almost fidelity mode at 60fps, when 60fps is available. It's a nice improvement, but nowhere the jump the previous mid-gen consoles were. I may pick one up again when GTA 6 releases, but only if it's cheaper. The price is a disgrace for the minimal improvements. Even the packaging doesn't reflect the price (it's the same cheap ass cartons used in a PS5).

[@34sld]

Yeah this guy ain't got one. It's hilarious that they make up this shit to objecti hate on something by saying they bought but say things look worse when that's clearly wrong

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

If you buy a mid gen refresh expect better performance not better graphics, I thought this was the point of a mid gen refresh?? To get better performance with current graphics. If games are running way better than the base ps5 then the pro does what it's made for. Although 700$ is a hard price to swallow for a console with no disc drive

[@R17759]

What were you expecting exactly? It isn’t a PS6.

[@k20a2toofast4u]

So in essence if Cerny didnt/couldn't make the PS5 PRO GPU RDNA3 because of compatibility issues then how will Sony utilize AMD UDNA with the PS6???? Llike former Sony exec Shawn Layden said, TFLOP war is over. UDNA in might be not a big TFlop upgrade but the GPU pipeline for CNN, memory bandwidth and ML and such will be more of the upgrade for graphics. Interesting to see where Cerny is going with this.

[@dinkomalinko8585]

Garth algar has aged well 😂❤

[@13lake]

PSVR?

[@RandyAugustus]

Dead platform apparently. Hence the large discounts on headsets.

[@aaronclay4665]

@@RandyAugustus vr is a niche platform all around, its not dead or alive, its just niche untill its not

[@vulcantuminello1127]

"Tomorrow's Tech Today" - Zero upgrades to PSVR2 titles, i.e. Resident Evil Village that runs at a nauseating 60 FPS reprojected (30 FPS actual) today. No PSVR2 upgrades to existing titles = no buy, especially not at $700 before tax and a disk drive.

[@gerboog]

they did upgrade psvr 2 titles dude

[@bdizzle9586]

Ah shit, now I need some new shit to moan about…….

[@bravo3six956]

For consoles to ever get more powerful they need to be like 8 inches tall. With same width. Add more cooling and much more powerful parts. Slap a 999.00 price tag on them and sold. That’s nothing compared to the price of a pc. I would pay 1200 for a bigger more powerful console

[@Undesired_Hero]

Why not confront them with all the shimmering and flickering issues with pssr...

[@MrFrexxia]

The interview was done several weeks ago

[@sunman2566]

Which is present in only a few games. Some people seem to have memory-holed how DLSS also had some issues when it was new.

[@iPh1l1pp]

@@sunman2566GT7 have shimmering to

[@Spaceman69420]

@@sunman2566 not only some issues, DLSS was shit and basically unuseable on launch in 2018 and only got decent with the 3000 series in late 2020

[@unnoticedhero1]

In the interview Cerny acknowledged that they are aware of the issues of the lower res upscaling with PSSR and that they'll continue to work on and improve the technology but it's ultimately up to the developers if they want to implement newer versions of PSSR.