Inside PlayStation 5 Pro: The Mark Cerny and Mike Fitzgerald Interview

[@williambarter245]

Oliver and Mark Cerney appearing the same video is creating dangerously high levels of soothing voice.

[@therealfodder]

I was just thinking Cerney's whisper mode sounds very close to Ryan Reynolds. He is Threadpool.

[@shinmentakezo2994]

I thought it´s just me…such gentle voices!

[@ebridgewater]

Cerny has a camp cadence but Google assures me he is straight.

[@abhisheksharma2480]

😂😂

[@stephensearles673]

​@ebridgewater I know what you mean, pretty sure he's married but these days that doesn't mean much 😂

[@PadPoet]

Story time, thought I would share this: When I worked at SIEE - was called SCEE back then - Mark had visited the PlayStation London office, he probably had some meeting with the London PS execs at the time for the PS4 Pro, it was around late 2014. He was sitting alone in the SCEE cafeteria and nobody was talking to him. Was a bit surprised and I walked up to him and introduced myself. He responded in such a nice and warm way and then I asked him if he would like to sit down, have coffee and discuss various things about work and PlayStation in general. We spent like 15-20 minutes and I got the most pleasant and warm vibes I've ever got from ANY high level executive in the gaming industry and in my work career in general. Protect this man at all costs, such a lovely soul and human being in general.

[@RiccardoGrc]

This is interesting. What were you doing back in SCEE? Which games did you have the chance to work on?

[@PadPoet]

@ I was the SCEE European Community manager, marketing department. Worked on a ton of games, Bloodborne being my all time favourite!

[@x3mbr]

That's such a heartwarming story, thanks for sharing!

[@prav1976]

Did you know a Mark T from Hertfordshire?

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

@@PadPoet bro, you were a Community manager -- which means you probably deal with lots of people and need to be Extroverted. Cerny seems like someone who enjoys alone time to recharge, which means Introverted. Don't invade an Introvert's alone time like you think you are doing them a favor by being social with them. He probably only obliged you because he didn't want to be rude, but some people like time alone.

[@IvanGarelli]

8:45 Cerny "I spend too much time on DF" what a statement from the man. One of us!

[@stonerman9947]

Is he a physical gamer?

[@crust5909]

@@stonerman9947 is he physical?

[@gtone339]

He's addicted to their Questions! 🤣🤣

[@RepublicofODLUM]

@@stonerman9947 No clue what you mean by physical, but he's a well-known trophy hunter with some pretty impressive platinums under his belt

[@DUDEDUDE33]

Cerny is bespoke confirmed

[@djc604]

I'm at a loss for words. We're witnessing the start of the Sean Evans (Hot Ones) of tech interviews. Oliver absolutely killed it here. So fluid and articulate, and the energy being shared with some of the giants of the tech industry. Looks so effortless

[@stuckintheinbetween]

Lol 😬🤦

[@PantherCrane]

😂😂🤣🤣

[@oledevo]

They're a big greedy company who tries to sell you gaming hardware.

[@olsen3127]

They should definitely add the chickens and last dabs

[@joefawley9264]

I'd have to hard disagree because there was no mention of lack of disc drive.

[@DonzokoNoRyu]

It feels cursed to see Oliver in a different setting because I'm used to seeing him in his classic home background. Keep up the good work lads, especially Oliver, you are a legend!

[@noahstevens3060]

He looks good. Looks like he's lost weight.

[@goldensperm7182]

@@noahstevens3060 He actually said that he hit the gym before going into this interview

[@Unexpectedstuff]

“In his classic home background” Or inside a purple GameCube

[@zaxlor]

@@Unexpectedstuff He's escaped the Containment Gamecube! He must be recaptured at all costs! :D

[@SolidBoss7]

It feels cursed? Yall are some nerds

[@tipoomaster]

Mark is just a class act, man. Doesn't oversell and just explains.

[@DoinThatRag]

The difference between an engineer and someone who works in marketing really. At the same time you can tell he's aware of things he should/shouldn't say, including his own personal opinions on some topics. But that just comes as being a seasoned veteran.

[@marcustan9605]

Maybe you don't know , like a movie director just need to tell the actor the story idea and how to act the role, and how will finally show the screen of the movie results .This is the key.

[@TheNerd]

Mark Cerny one of the most important figures in the tech industry watches DF, confirmed 😀 Hats off.

[@mysticalos]

It made me very happy to hear him say that, cause that means he probably goes into his meetings "DF found this bug in PSSR, we need to get on it asap"

[@kiisseli1337]

@@mysticalos "DF found constant shimmering everywhere"

[@TurnaboutAdam]

“It’s not all going to be rainbows and path tracing” I absolutely loved this. Just wish we could get Mark on for a full DF Direct.

[@j5689]

It sounds like he's a fan already, so maybe it's not out of the question eventually

[@TilSkywalker]

Oliver + Mark Cerny for 27:39 minutes... That's the Ultimate Tempest ASMR Experience!

[@hollow1763]

Excellent work by Oliver imo. What an excellent addition to the DF team.

[@matth1621]

It's amazing how far Digital Foundry has come

[@stonerman9947]

easy when you sell out

[@WDeranged]

@@stonerman9947 Who did they sell out to this week?

[@stonerman9947]

@@WDeranged IGN

[@AniRayn]

While they are quite good at analyzing graphics, they wouldn't have gotten to such interviews without keeping their opinions "tame" and statements "neutral", sometimes even by pretending certain problems don't exist (Concord failed, DF be like: Hmmm, I wonder why). Edit: They have to do SOME catering to these companies, otherwise I don't think they'd get such opportunities.

[@Tarets]

​@@AniRayn Right, because being neutral is now a drawback for you anger-feeding commenters 😅 Also, you clearly do not watch DF videos if you claim they did not comment on Concord's failure.

[@jelly-owl]

One sign that Mark Cerny is a computer scientist/hardware engineer is that he says ML (machine learning) instead of AI. Love it, he is truly a professional! Big companies use AI as a marketing term when it's not even close to artificial intelligence.

[@photonboy999]

Derbau8er at CES "Why does this case say "AI" on it?" Company guy for the case manufacturer "Uh, because you can put AI parts in it!" Derbau8er looking at "AI" PSU's... "These are just normal PSU's... SIGH.."

[@DoinThatRag]

For chat bots at least, it is nothing more then a glorified statistical text generator. And if the input sucks so to do the results. I'll admit I don't know how ML works on individual frames, but I imagine if there is enough video of watching progression it can start to make a reasonably good guess as to where the pixels are going to go next, or figure out how to fill in missing pixels.

[@jean-philipperottiers614]

I noticed and definitely loved that. I sooo much hate/dislike this AI marketing bs.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

@@photonboy999 all marketing for the almighty dollar.

[@BleedForTheWorld]

@@DoinThatRag we can already render upscaling in video editors using ffmpeg. I'd imagine something multi billion dollar companies like Nvidia, Sony, and AMD are using much more advanced, complex, yet simple solutions to come up with results.

[@victorcastro3351]

I swear Ollie is a godsend for this channel because between him and John there's a true love of video games there....but Ollie validates the channel by virtue of having legit knowledge of the technology behind games but not letting it skew his view on the experience as opposed to comparing them to the latest and greatest pc specs and forgetting that gamers play on everything ...Him and John prioritize the fun aspect of gaming.

[@ajchann123]

I love when both of them do the Direct Weekly because I just can't shake the vibe that it feels like a classroom run by Rich in which both are good students but John has the energy of the class clown while Ollie is the goodie two-shoes

[@smilereceive]

Oli is a legend.

[@mwdavis77]

@@smilereceive Oli and John are the DF Professional. They legitimately don't seem to care about platform, and just enjoy games of many types. Some of the other folks definitely have preferences and sometimes the bias shows through.

[@willian4428]

@@mwdavis77 Alex is.

[@draculathevampire934]

Yeah the other guys cares to much about reflections

[@przemyslaw_polak_93]

Oliver absolutely nailed this interview!

[@kram4130]

Well this was a nice surprise! Glad they agreed to do this interview. Fascinating stuff. Would love to see more in the future. Great job Ollie!

[@jayg339]

Digital Foundry has Oliver just casually doing an interview where he sounds like an award winning journalist. I can't stress enough about how good of a job Oliver did at interviewing Mark Cerny and Mike Fitzgerald. I'm honestly curious if Oliver has experience in that field before he joined DF or conducted interviews in this manner before. Well done Oliver - very informative and an overall excellent interview 👍

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

Oliver Mackenzie walks into the room: I did not talk shit about PSSR, I did not.... Oh Hi Mark! 😅😅😅

[@EspireMike]

Incredible comment 👏👏

[@colevanhoogenstyn9322]

Oliver is such a delight. Love seeing his confidence grow alongside the DF crew. Cheers!

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

Yep. He just doesn't seem to have that same sort of smugness, arrogance and superiority complex that John Linneman has. He's just as intelligent and knowledgeable, but much more humble. Definitely a more likeable guy!

[@xem2476]

@@vgnvideogameninja2930 L

[@gnoLeDwerdnA]

Absolutely not, he’d never be able to do DF Retro like John can. You can quote me on that, hell John is the only one at DF who talks about gameplay and game design beyond vague descriptors and platitudes. Oliver is industry-friendly, I’m sure IGN loves him for that. Meanwhile, John got trashed by people like you for being 100% correct about Concord, but that’s not industry- or IGN-friendly, so Oliver’s bland milquetoastness is probably getting the push that I’ve seen coming a mile away since he first popped up on the channel.

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

@@gnoLeDwerdnA No, absolutely. Also, not people like me as I couldn't care less about Concord or what was said about it by anyone. No, it's just obvious that John loves the sound of his own voice and the odd time is even disrespectful to Richard, of all people. Oliver could do DF Retro just as well, if he were tasked to do so or had the interest to do it. There's no indication that he couldn't.

[@IMan_93_]

This is going to be awesome. Mark Cerny is a fascinating dude and I love his passion for PS tech

[@stonerman4207]

Hoping for some physical media love for ps6.

[@crobblack]

Just now realising I've never seen Oliver's ears.

[@TheUderfrykte]

Thank you! Was trying to figure out what felt off!

[@Dezzyyx]

Never seen em either, only heard of them

[@carnicorp]

Those arnt ears, they ear shaped headphones 🤫

[@aaron_ow]

Digital Foundry providing us with an early Christmas present in the form of a 30 minute Mark Cerny interview!

[@Dnimmo123]

I was just thinking the same thing before I saw this comment 😂

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

Cerny is a certified genius, Playstation should be proud to have him on-board. He is an amazing game developer, anazing player and amazing lead architect. He made the ps vita walk so the Switch could run.

[@RepublicofODLUM]

You had me until the last part... Nintendo's been doing handhelds since the gameboy, it's always been a focus of theirs. Switch was an evolution of the 3ds, not the vita

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

@@unknowngamersekiro561 You have no clue what you're talking about

[@mitsuhh]

@@unknowngamersekiro561 You have no clue what you're talking about

[@ambro2786]

Unbelievable interview!! This is exactly what I come here to see! Great job Oliver!

[@reiferdranzer3752]

An interview with the man himself. Well done DF

[@Jeff-1337]

That DF shoutout in the official presentation must have felt real good

[@pettson3816]

Oliver did so good in this interview. Amazing work! Thank you!

[@alh5470]

my wife got me the ps5 pro for an early xmas gift.. am blessed.

[@TaraJohnson-j9e]

😂 you mean to keep you busy while your wife is out with her bf

[@Plusimurfriend]

Yea I told her to do that, we know how much you wanted it. Don't forget our wedding is in 3 days

[@ottomaticallyawesome]

God bless her and you.

[@UniversalStand]

@@TaraJohnson-j9edamn! Lol

[@steveafanador6441]

My wife got me one too 👌👌

[@ishanawate1849]

The way Mark Cerny.. the prodigy.. the stalwart.. talks.. the flow, the cadence.. Muuaaah.. Chef's Kiss !! Talk about soft skills ! Edit: Since this comment is getting a little bit of traction.. I'll like to add that this kind of ease and clarity while talking about technical things simply doesn't come without a strong background in coding and understanding of low level hardware/electronics stuff. Thanks DF for this lovely piece ❤ Edit 2: While we are at it.. I would strongly recommend Nand2Tetris for you geeks out there. ❤🙏🏽

[@luisramirez-or5vg]

12:52 Cerny was about to say ps6 but stopped himself lol

[@elrahim6972]

Damn we almost had him

[@Gman2002]

Even if he slipped Sony would require DF/IGN to edit it out due to NDA rules prior to video shoot.

[@Grendel2403]

Doesn't seem like it, he stutters the word "start" and it seems like he already had the phrase he said ("start of a true generation") in mind

[@chettlar212]

​@Grendel2403 right but a slight accidental almost slip up would be a big reason why stutters occur. Idk

[@superkoopatrooper4879]

It would be funny if they called it the PSOneX Pro

[@balaam_7087]

What an honor to interview these two. Oliver, that is S-tier journalism at its finest. I’m happy for you

[@stonerman4207]

S-tier journalism when he didn't even mention the lack of disc drive?

[@lxerol]

@@stonerman4207 or the price.

[@ArturKraft]

@@stonerman4207that was not Cerny’s decision

[@JT_No_Money]

​@@ArturKraftDon't mind him he's just going to every comment to complain because his mom didn't give him any hugs growing up.😢

[@tezdevries]

Fantastic interview, thanks very much for making it happen!

[@AceParty]

Mark Cerny?! wow congrats DF!

[@goldensperm7182]

And MC actually watches a lot of DF videos according to this interview. So damn son!!

[@DuncanJMcMillan]

at 8:40 , imagine the achritect of the past 2 playstations casually mentioning that they watched your content relating to the thing they made. Wild. Would be like JJ Abrams saying he watches your reviews of his movies. Also really cool to see that Digital Foundry's content is actually getting scene by decisionmakers in the industry.

[@theonik2006]

And the PS Vita don't forget Cerny's first gig in his current partnership with Sony was the PS Vita

[@seth4321]

No kidding. What a compliment to hear someone say that about your stuff.

[@seigfriedmk]

Todd Howard also already said that half the industry watches DF

[@Phil_529]

seen*

[@seth4321]

@ Nobody cares, Phil. Nobody cares.

[@wherethegreatestplay3529]

Mark’s presentation was incredibly fascinating. Man, this was awesome. I’ve really enjoyed the PS5 Pro in the short time it’s been out. Looking forward to the rest of this gen and the next.

[@madao2286]

FF7R looks like a completely different game on PS5 Pro.

[@OC.TINYYY]

It's still shit on PS5 Pro. Can't even run native res.

[@THATBOIYUNG]

So does the crew Motorsport

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@LightningNavigator30 vs 60 fps isn't marginal. Pro mode looks sharper than the PS5's quality mode as well.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@OC.TINYYY Native Res is dead. And before you bring up PCMR, let me remind you of DLSS.

[@GuillermoCordoba-hp8yh]

​@LightningNavigator i just play it on pc and omg I'm switching

[@andiige]

Oliver interviewing Cerny - so epic, congrats well deserved - so nice to hear Cerny watches DF

[@erskine1984]

Cerny is a god damn genius. I don't understand half of what he says and yet I'm in awe 😂

[@maynardburger]

Really? He says almost nothing of substance the whole interview.

[@LianCasablacks]

​@@maynardburger Well Playstation probably has a gun pointed to his head so he doesn't f up. He has to be very vague on his answers

[@toureskelbey7514]

@@maynardburgerwe have more of an idea on there focus with their next gen console which sounds like less focus on bigger gpus and faster memory but more focus on efficiency through ml and better more efficient utilization with ray tracing which will better streamline the lighting pipeline in terms of development. They are definitely sticking with amd with that reveal of project amethyst and also explained why the cpu wasnt a big focus with the current pro plus more tid bits you just gotta listen to the video.

[@mitsuhh]

@@LianCasablacks You have no clue what you're talking about

[@LianCasablacks]

@@mitsuhh Enlighten me

[@kNiV3Z]

Listening at work thought with my phone in my pocket, thought i was hearing Deadpool talk

[@Miguel_Noether]

And people complaining they can't see the difference of PS5 pro... at 720p on their phones...

[@kNiV3Z]

@ and most ppl tvs cost less than the regular ps5 and the OLED screen on their phone is the superior screen. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jackcall3815]

15:35 - and 24:15 - when Mark Cerny says you asked a great question, that has to be a phenomenal feeling haha

[@ErenTheWarcriminal]

Uploaded exactly the same second as the PS channel, the mad lads

[@boy638]

Sony told them when they could publish

[@SarkkiKarkki]

It's been uploaded ahead in time and scheduled for a release.

[@Lemmiwinks_The_Gerbil_King]

they uploaded it and gave it a timer nothing special about that

[@lokidoki525]

Cool pfp

[@pedro_peyote]

@@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S thats what the world needed! xD

[@danloki78]

Get the silent hill dev to sit next to cerny and talk pssr lok

[@UniversalStand]

True. They need help.

[@sz7011]

😂😂 bravo!

[@ultima_mello96]

Real comment lol

[@blackbassissac2635]

Si es lo mismo, que pensé afrontar los problemas del PSSR en los juegos.

[@IvanBeTerrible]

Im still waiting to play SH on the Pro lol

[@HeroVax]

Omg Mark Cerny himself

[@Etheral101]

Playing the Resident Evil remakes again with ray tracing on is so smooth on Pro. Which Im glad. I love remake 2 and 3

[@HellhoundXIV]

Oliver was the best choice to talk to Cerny, fantastic interview.

[@alwaysalonesoki1217]

Make PlayStation Japanese again!

[@BleedForTheWorld]

Lol

[@NatrlBrnKiLLER]

I loved this. The mutual respect between Cerney and DF was so cool.

[@jaglemans6778]

I picked up PS5 Pro at launch but returned it due to work commitments. After seeing a few DF analysis vids I was tempted to put my money towards a mid-range PC (4070 level). But the more research I do the more obvious it becomes you cannot match PS5 Pro performance for much less than £1,200 - realistically you need to be spending £1,500+ - that's if you want a noticeably better experience. So I've decided to pick up another PS5 Pro and make do with my budget laptop for other tasks. Thankfully it now seems devs are getting to grips with the system and PSSR will no doubt continue to improve.

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

PC and PS5 are not interchangeable for me regardless of pricing, because some of the games I love and play are only on PS5 and vice-versa.

[@SC0RPI0NFURY]

Honestly, you probably need to spend above $2000 to match the PS5 pro

[@zerosam5541]

@@SC0RPI0NFURY you don't have to spend 2,000

[@zerosam5541]

4070 is high end 4060 is the mid range

[@band0lero]

@@SC0RPI0NFURY How so? Don't ge me wrong, I'm not trying to be pedantic, I'm just trying to follow your train of thought. $2000 in a gaming PC we're talking 4080 Super/7900XTX + Ryzen 7700/i7 13700K system, if we're building it GPU focused. You're very close to a 2x on CPU performance and a ~1.7x on GPU performance + I'd say a 3-4x on ray-tracing performance. We're talking Cyberpunk 2077 path-tracing at mid 40s using 4K DLSS Performance. AW2 with path-tracing at 40-ish frames using 4K DLSS Performance. I'd say those are substantially different experiences from what you'd get from a PS5 Pro. With regards to rasterization, Horizon Forbidden West at Performance Pro setting (1440p native) plays at a locked 60fps, while on PC you'd get a 90-100fps experience at 4K DLSS Quality (1440p native) and Ultra graphics. Probably closer to 120-140 frames at PS5 Pro settings. It's enough to manage native 4K at 60fps. I'm not so sure on EU pricing as the original commenter was saying. Probably you'd be streching to get a 4070S with a EUR 1200 budget, and I'd mostly agree that on price to performance, there's no chance of matching it. Also a noticeably better experience is a very blurry metric, but I get him, if I wasn't very used to the PC experience I'd make that deal as well. But at $2000 to MATCH the PS5 PRO?

[@KenMathis1]

Personally I think if Sony focuses most of the PS6 improvements on visuals, it will be a big mistake. Visuals improvements simply won't make games that much more enjoyable. Part of that is simply from the fact that we are hitting diminishing returns. What Sony should be focusing in on is gameplay improvements. Let's get back to better physics with dynamic environments. Let's have better NPC AI. Let's have more responsive and adaptive character movement modeling, and so on.

[@Rawbertoh]

These things aren't mutually exclusive. Frankly what you're asking for will be enhanced mostly by CPU/memory performance improvements which in the context of this interview was addressed when talking about next-gen goals.

[@rare6499]

I loved this, so nicely done by Oliver as well. Looked so at ease. Very interesting chat and enjoyable to hear their thoughts on some of these topics you guys have been discussing for weeks.

[@lilgohan]

Mark and Mike are both great, and Oliver did a great job hosting. Really happy to see this

[@TheMrLeoniasty]

wow these questions were very good and the answers even better!

[@laynelaynelaynelaynelayne]

actually amazing interview from oliver. it's is extremely difficult to have recorded discussions at this technical level with this amount of confidence and articulation. Such a gift to watch!

[@MrBhop722]

Just wanna say Oliver is a beast. I've learned a lot from his coverage.

[@mazmax7971]

Thanks!

[@joewills7582]

At 13:30 he says almost all games can run at 60fps and you can count the exceptions on one hand. Is this true? I'm a pc gamer but based on what I've picked up via osmosis from ps5 gamers It didn't seem that was the case, more that whilst all these games have 60fps modes they rarely maintain the 60hz.

[@jsullivan2112]

That was terrific! Well done Oliver and thanks to Mark and Mike for taking the time to sit down with him.

[@D3ntoN]

So does Mark mean PSSR will improve via libraries on PS5Pro? Like, new versions of DLSS? Will it become better this generation or only on PS6+?

[@kiisseli1337]

He said he doesn't know Not very promising But if games still get the benefits in time, fine

[@dannydement]

PSSR is hardware-based ML, so there are probably limits to how they can improve it post-launch. But the data and feedback they get will be invaluable to both PS and AMD in terms of improving image rendering tech in the future.

[@kek107]

Love seeing Oliver get some spotlight action! Awesome guy and relaxing voice

[@DesertSorceressCovfefe]

I still find no need to upgrade. The extra performance increase may come in handy, but in all honesty, it will be up to the developers how to utilize it. For example, the rumors that GTA 6 may still be locked at 30fps on the pro.

[@Etheral101]

Rockstar has never released a 60fps game on console (that wasn't a remaster on a next generation console) . Do your research

[@DesertSorceressCovfefe]

@Etheral101 i am just saying at this day in age, developers either over-exaggerate the graphics while under-delivering on performance or the other way around. Seen very few games lately with a middle ground.

[@mefirstplease3676]

Those rumors are wishful thinking. I find it hard to believe that rockstar would make an effort to bring over people from PS4 and Xbox one to PS5 and Xbox series consoles where they have gotten used to 60fps and then force them back to 30fps.

[@yomamasohot6411]

I tend to not believe in rumours but that's just me

[@BreadShambo-d8t]

That's fine. The regular PS5 works great. It's just for me, I have a line of credit. It was 6 months payment plan same as cash no APR. And honestly even the non patched games I've enjoyed. Toggling the sharpener on AND lopping 120 4K locked Uncharted 4 was a delight. Elden ring has been sitting in VRR range. But you're exactly right, these enhancements aren't mandatory. For someone like me who's financially responsible though? I'm happy with it, a couple of these games absolutely have use for the headroom, so it's not for nothing, either. That's why they sell both though right? Options are nice for people that have different life situations! I never understood the PS5 pro hate, not that I think you're a hater I'm not talking about you, but these things will become used eventually and when the ps6 is too expensive, used PS5 pros will be a go to for a lot of people- when I was poor I would consider this good news. But poor people I guess nowadays have knee-jerk reactions. More hardware on the streets is good for EVERYBODY.

[@nabieladrian]

Congratulations for the interview, kudos for Sony!

[@THATBOIYUNG]

Loving my pro enjoying my upgrade

[@hadesmcc]

When Mark Cerny tells you guys he's been spending way too much time watching your content, you know you're on the right path. That was a huge moment of validation. Congratulations guys!

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

If you are wondering how smart he is: _Cerny left UC Berkley at 17 to join Atari and later Sega in the 80s, then Crystal Dynamics and Universal Games in the 90s. He never finished college._

[@TSPG1985]

My crack dealer didn’t go to college either. Hardly a metric of success.

[@pian-0g445]

@@TSPG1985not success, but his intelligence (or at least aptitude with technology). Most people need to get a degree, maybe a scholarship and internships with companies they want a future of working in. Which makes sense. It’s a ton of knowledge and experience you need, and need proof of. But Cerny (and obviously other incredibly skilled people) didn’t do this. Which is an attest to their skill. Anyone who gets into the field they want at such an early stage of their life are definitely very good at what they do

[@eruannster]

What an absolutely cool interview. Oliver asks such good questions, and Mark/Mike give such interesting and surprisingly thorough answers. I don't want to claim to understand everything, but this interview really tickles my interest.

[@alexv0009]

this "interview" is a sponsored video and should be labeled as such

[@el_arte]

Fantastic interview! The right amount of argumentative questioning and curiosity. Great job, Oliver and DF!

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

did i miss the part or were there no questions about the flickering issues of pssr?

[@Thor86-]

upscaled from low resolution creates flickering, thats obvious. In the end, it all depends on the game developers.

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

@Thor86- there's clearly a pattern, dlss doesn't have these issues and even fsr does a more competent job in 90% of the cases.

[@joeydirt420]

It would be a weird question when they already know it’s a problem from the developers.

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

@@joeydirt420 no it wouldn't, quite the opposite. who else has more insight than cerny? probably nobody.

[@theonik2006]

@@KZbin-Censorship-Police DLSS targets different and in many cases less aggressive scaling factors. Cerny did address that they designed PSSR to work between 1x and 2.5x scaling, anything outside that range may suffer with current PSSR. DLSS had similar issues at launch and took years for nVidia to fully resolve. In many ways it is currently an experimental product and it's up to developers to decide how to apply it to provide a good game experience. PSSR 2.0 or whatever Sony decides to do/how Sony decides to brand it will fix a lot of those issues much like DLSS 2.0 did.

[@peterfox6159]

What an excellent interview! Huge kudos to Oliver

[@Kniffel101]

Even if it's "only" for half an hour, I just love to hear hardware and software engineers talk about their products! =D Thanks for the interview, Oliver! =) May many of these kinds of interviews follow in the future!

[@LeGuardo-i0]

This is so cool!! Absolutely love that y'all got to sit down and talk with Cerny🤙 this definitely fills the gap that was missing in regard to the "full technical breakdown/presentation" at the launch of PS5 Pro. Love your guy's work!

[@garrygills]

Great video. Loved to hear that Mark also tunes into DF!

[@thedude8128]

This is pure nut bustin' ASMR with Oli and Cernys voices 😂

[@JamieRobert_]

It’s not good news in terms of improving PSSR in updates it seems. Not until next generation

[@maynardburger]

See, they didn't answer that question clearly whatsoever. It's like Cerny genuinely would not say whether PSSR would get new releases for developers to use on PS5 Pro in clear terms at all. I dont think that means it wont happen, he was just waffling with vague comments the entire time.

[@Pyro71666]

Amazing work as always guys! Thank you for all that you contribute, and Happy Bespoke Holidays!

[@GriffinCorpOne]

Oh wow what an interview! DF in for the win!

[@Eternalduoae]

Oliver is the GOAT this year! Really well done!

[@Gman2002]

I understand that this interview was focused on the positive aspects of the Pro, even though it still faces criticism due to poor PSSR implementation and possibly inferior image quality compared to FSR2 on the base PS5. However, it would be refreshing to hear Oliver ask the tough questions that we all want answers to, such as why PSSR exhibits a shimmering effect in most games and why developers are struggling to implement it as originally intended. I believe Gabe Newell would be open to addressing such concerns and acknowledging that his company has not served its customers well, while also emphasizing their efforts to resolve these issues promptly.

[@PositronCannon]

This interview was recorded before the Pro was launched.

[@oelaiho2001]

Listening to this interview and getting a deep dive with the people who work on the system I love so much was fantastic! You can hear the passion from them and it signals that the next generation of the PlayStation is going to improve greatly on what the PS5 Pro has achieved.

[@eSKAone-]

Wow! This is so cool. Especially that it is Oliver doing it.🌌💟

[@eSKAone-]

Dude had the chance to throw a question in about Bloodborne though.

[@mjoe7561]

Wow this is awesome. Thanks to Mark, Mike, and Oliver for making this happen.

[@MarcoP84]

Disappointed by what you have become, DF.

[@rizzo-films]

When Rich says "Cerney" it sounds like "Sony". "Mark Sony" is a perfect nickname 😂

[@jimbob8992]

Well deserved Oliver.

[@aggies11]

Oliver is a wonderful interview. Great dynamics and flow to the conversation, but also good specifics and details. Very pleasing listen.

[@perpetualprocrastinator]

Indiana Jones on PS5 Pro - will be interesting what kind of performance profile it exhibits.....next year hopefully.

[@joeydirt420]

Rumour has it xbox wanted indiana jones to be a time exclusive so they had time to create the ultimate console experience on the ps5 pro.

[@theonik2006]

Spring 2025 is what they recently announced so a while still but not too long.

[@disfunctionalrobot]

Lord, so happy they went with Oliver over Rich for this discussion.

[@M_LittleRivers]

Man the quality of this channel just keeps going up, this is amazing!

[@slakr2392]

Wow great interview 👏👍

[@TheTOShow1]

Wow. Amazing interview. Really enjoyed this. Keep up the fantastic work, Oliver!

[@misterhoobomaster]

Congrats DF and Oliver. You're crushing it!

[@mrfujisawa]

Smashing video Oliver. Great to see a conversation like this with (mostly) legit answers free of corpo speak. I know they still have to be careful but they felt pretty genuine here.

[@BurritoKingdom]

The thing I'm confused about is why PSSR is poor at de-noising Ray-Tracing. PS5 Pro is pushing Ray-Tracing and image quality as its improvements over PS5. So you think PSSR would have been developed with RT in mind. DLSS was originally developed with RT in mind and denoising RT was shown as one of the biggest improvements over using native res.

[@Thor86-]

DLSS still has issues with RT, like noisy textures.

[@Hyper.773]

I think it's important to keep in mind that this is their first attempt at making an upscaling solution. Not only that, but Sony has multiple projects for different things. If you remember one of their reveals a few years back, they started a project on vehicles (not sure if that's still true to this day, though). Additionally, DLSS was far from perfect with its first release. Of course, PSSR will get better with time, so there shouldn't be much of a worry about it staying like this. I think their main objective was to introduce an upscaling solution that looked decent and stable first before they moved on to focusing on denoising and RT image improvements, which is the best way to go in my opinion. RT is but another level that shouldn't be skipped to without getting everything else done right

[@fakejazznut]

DLSS wasn’t “good” until the 2.0 release, and its RT treatment is still very young (ray reconstruction). Cyberpunk 2077 remains its best actual implementation, and that still has problems with softness at low resolutions and frame rates.

[@pian-0g445]

DLSS is pretty good at it now. But 1.0 definitely was not good, like at all. We’ve seen this with all the upscalers and such. Their first version usually is not great. I do not need to experience FSR 1 again

[@Viflo]

Ah, the sit down with Sir Elton John I've been waiting for.

[@fct016]

Oliver is the best! Happy to see him handling interviews like this one

[@WMCheerman]

Wow amazing interview

[@CrespoFTW]

I like the interview but I'm curious why they chose to remove the disc drive

[@LordRaydenTube]

Agreed. I was hoping for this question all the time.

[@SC0RPI0NFURY]

Probably to cut down on the price?

[@BreadShambo-d8t]

You don't need to ask a question that stupid that already has an answer. Because they didn't want it to be 800 after tax, that's why. Open up a dictionary and look for the word concession. Read it. I don't buy physical discs. They are arbitrary. If you played on PlayStation 5 you would know that they install, it doesn't run off disc. That's why I used the word arbitrary. So I for one am glad I wasn't forced to pay for something I couldn't use. I'm not interested in spending $810 after tax. If you want it, buy the fucking disc drive- you've already spent $750. If you can't afford another 50, AND you're a physical media nerd, you really didn't have any business spending the original 750 and you're kind of stupid. If your problem is that you wanted the disk drive included at no cost, then, well, things don't work like that, it was never on the table, and it's pretty silly to expect it. TL;DR they did it because they saw a lot of people like me don't use discs and honestly thank you Sony because I'd rather pay 750 than 800. Disk drive isn't worth $50. Not sorry

[@AJ-xv7oh]

They are pushing an all digital future where they control market prices amongst other things.

[@thomsnvykovski6135]

@@BreadShambo-d8t based

[@MrOP66]

Great interview! Good to see Oliver getting these top of the industry interviews! Mark and Mike are very informative and accomodating.

[@ILoveUEVR]

Where is PSSR for PS VR2? Can we get an update? I bought my PS5 PRO for the benefits to PS VR2 and the improvements so far are inconsequential.

[@DaPunkNdFunk]

This was brilliant! Intense, tecnical, professional, but brilliant interview!

[@G4M3RGU1D3]

I'm angry after watching this. Mark Cerny really tells us that ps5 pro is a mid gen dont expect anything special although demands the price of a new gen console from 2035.

[@mitsuhh]

Did you just expect the cost of everything to remain the same for 30 years?

[@Foetoid2k6]

Welcome to inflation and reality.

[@G4M3RGU1D3]

@ okay and what about value?

[@hectorj.romanp.]

That is why it has 'PS5' in the name; a generational leap would be a PS6. The price is debatable; I won't argue about it but common sense and logic say that it is more expensive to manufacture than the base model.