Control Ultimate Edition on PlayStation 5: The Next Generation Tech Review

[@MINUANOGAMING]

Everyone: PS4 Pro. Alex, sipping a glass of wine from the Crysis shrine: PS4 Professional.

[@AnalogFoundry]

Before Alex, it was Mr. John Linneman who coined it.

[@MaximumSpiders]

Xbox number One

[@pokemon1666]

A man of culture i see.

[@viniciusrodrigues1689]

this glass of wine has its ray tracing on max settings too

[@BACK2PORT]

I felt irrelevant for that brief sec as an Xbox owner lol

[@Eclipzify]

Can we take a minute to acknowledge Remedy for supplying DF with the PS5's equivalent PC settings. This sort of transparency and community interaction should be industry standard. Well done Remedy 👏

[@jermainen7846]

Yeah man. DF are big boys in the game now. I doubt they would do that for anyone.

[@roniz2345]

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[@njevansYT]

yeah the only drawback to that is we see that it's basically running at Low/Medium settings on a PC.

[@documentthedrama8279]

Remedy are a great dev and their work shines

[@Payload25]

It is not at all optimized for the nextgen when we see these settings! Just look at what a PS5 is worth compared to PC components. PS5 => Ryzen 7 3700X + RTX 2080 SUPER and 16GDDR6 ! Settings equivalent to PC settings should be much higher ! These settings are only representative for this game and only this game.

[@randydonovan7844]

This game built such a great world, never read as many documents in a game lol

[@Aaron-iz3hk]

Dead Letters. So much funny stuff in there too. "Hello, My feet gossip at night and now I have to wear shoes to bed. Sincerely, Me"

[@randydonovan7844]

@@Aaron-iz3hk man your right I do remember actually laughing out loud at some

[@JPMPranks]

I believe Dishonored has even more!

[@randydonovan7844]

@@JPMPranks so true I loved that games world building too haha

[@mojoofftherobo]

@@Aaron-iz3hk i missed that one

[@Lanosrep]

This is a game that would really benefit from a Spiderman-style Performance RT mode, at 1080p/60fps, with partial ray tracing

[@Fastwalker27]

Pretty sure Spiderman performance RT mode is dynamic 1440p , with all RT features , just at a lower resolution

[@festive5476]

yeah you're right

[@Bradley10960]

Saw one of the devs say on twitter that their team is too small to make this work sadly

[@ZulqarnainAidil]

They'll probably ask you to buy the game again to unlock that.

[@festive5476]

@@ZulqarnainAidil lol

[@luciddre4m]

The destruction effects are so satisfying

[@NeoTechni]

I wonder how the makers of Second Sight feel about this game.

[@LordRaydenTube]

Or Microsoft with Crackdown 3 and THE POWER OF THE CLOUD!!

[@evilformerlys4704]

Lol, unrealistic as hell though. Have you ever seen a chair break a desk like that and not just one but multiple desks. Sorry but that's just weird to witness, physics working on particles, but objects are made of different materials so they don't break the same way and require more pressure to cause breakage. Sure it looks impressive until you realize unless you're shooting a .50 HMG at the room, a hand gun isn't causing this much visual damage effects.

[@sloth9210]

@@evilformerlys4704 ok boomer, if it’s that unrealistic to you how bout you go make your own game and then I’ll agree

[@imadecoy.]

Especially how the desk falls to pieces but the typewriter pad is invincible /s That's what we call piss poor attention to detail.

[@ThePaulg123]

For.anyone that doesn't know control ultimate edition is the next free game on ps plus for February 👍🏻

[@99bajakid]

It's also free on gamepass.

[@Ninjaski24]

@@99bajakid isn't that just control for xbox one and not the enchanced edition like ps5s

[@99bajakid]

@@Ninjaski24 No clue tbh, I play on PC and just noticed it was on game pass last night.

[@suddenimpulse030]

@@99bajakid not been confirmed

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

@@Ninjaski24 so far it's not the enhanced version on game pass.

[@matthewmspace]

Still can't believe how they managed to squeeze ray-tracing onto the consoles with this game. That's crazy. Also can't believe you get this game completely free with PS Plus. Now I can finally play it.

[@spenny2cents]

Refreshing to read this comment! Countless others believe it’s ray tracing + 60fps or bust but here’s a guy who knows how to be appreciative and realistic!!

[@BlueisNotaWarmColour]

@@spenny2cents while I agree with your sentiment that this is a huge accomplishment as is, Spider-Man makes me think some clever workarounds could give us both. RT and 60fps goes such a long way in this type of game.

[@williamb19]

I also can’t believe this game was free. Just getting to it and one of the coolest games I’ve played … ever?

[@TheChriscrowder]

Yeah, but at 30 fps :( My PC will do the same resolution with Ray Tracing at nearly 90 FPS. Unforutnately, FPS + Resolution > RTX

[@apictureoffunction]

@@BlueisNotaWarmColour Control is using a much heavier engine than Spider-Man, all of the physics and destructible objects in Control are computationally very expensive on the CPU side.

[@Zwayeh]

Absolutely love these breakdowns - excellent work as always! On a funnier note, I had a real double take when you said 'PS4 Professional', can't say I've ever noticed it being referred to as that before.

[@marlbartony1621]

They are overrated, just say a whole lot without saying anything

[@XgamerdaveX]

Not a regular viewer then?

[@romanbellic810]

PS4 Amateur vs PS4 Professional vs PS5 Amateur

[@RainingFlow19]

They always refered the Pro as Profesional here especially richard.

[@MK-mf6oe]

This game have one of the most boring enemys i have ever faced at shooter games and that did make this game boring when you could not care less about fighting dead boring enemys.

[@rorytaylor626]

DF: "Detailed analysis of Control on next gen hardware" Chat: "Playstation 4 Professional lol"

[@MrKDawg29]

Lol 😂

[@Zeegoku1007]

That's how Gaming Mafia Works !!! 😂

[@lord.frosty]

The settings used in the PS5 version compared to the performance is a clear example why a technology like DLSS is really needed in every game both on consoles and PC.

[@matrix9452]

It can't be done on consoles, since they are powered by AMD technology. DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) is an proprietary image upscaling technology developed by Nvidia and exclusive to Nvidia graphics cards for real-time use in select video games, DLSS uses the power of NVIDIA’s supercomputers to train and improve its AI model. The neural network is trained by Nvidia using "ideal" images of video games of ultra-high resolution on supercomputers and low resolution images of the same games. The result is stored on the video card driver (Game Ready Drivers). It is said that Nvidia uses DGX-1 servers to perform the training of the network.

[@Shvabicu]

Especially in this game as it's a crazy hardware hog. Hopefully AMD can pull something decent off to also work on consoles.

[@ameerikbal8160]

dlss is an incentive for video game makers to do a shit job on optimization.

[@tazmanceltic]

Hopefully amd create their own equivalent and not at the cost to overall optimization.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

People arent laughing about "fake 4k" now are they. Native 4k really is a waste of resources

[@rohaanmanzoor3268]

small request, can digital foundry also cover sound in more detail. Would appreciate if you also talk about things like dualsense

[@iDrKx]

Intresting

[@rika5417]

I don't think necessary , there is no upgrade for sound or dual sense

[@MrShagnar]

@@rika5417 there actually is dual sense support, check remedy’s Twitter

[@rika5417]

@@MrShagnar OMG I didn't know, that would be interesting

[@dangiambrone7350]

They would probably have to hire another member for this as I get the impression that they are always stretched thin. Yours is a good point though, audio is a criminally overlooked area in gaming analysis' (ACG is probably top of the class in this department). Factor in that both the PS5 and Xbox Series have new dedicated audio hardware and the Dual Sense features.....

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

we need more physics rather than graphics, the 360/ps3 era was sublime when this was exploited

[@layzie45]

This. I hate how games last generation always felt so static.

[@barret-xiii]

Yup. Good lighting, reflections, skin shading, crisp shadows, volumetrics, and all those rendering effects are nice, but destruction and physics really help ground you into the world you're playing. Even if they forget destruction and just make more objects physically active, it feels more immersive. Something as simple as a tree briefly wobbling violently as a result of a nearby grenade explosion is enough to help pull you into the game world and make it feel like you're in an interactive setting and not just standing in a collection of static geometry and textures.

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

@@barret-xiii couldn't agree more

[@CyborgSodaCollects]

This is the only game to really give you that "lobby scene" energy.

[@y_auc60seb20]

Well, Red Dead Redemption 2 has physics and graphics

[@azzaprime7257]

They need to remaster Quantum Break, that game has some of the best bullet time effects iv ever seen.

[@JochoPorocho]

Play it on pc. Just needs a resolution bump because graphics were honestly amazing and since it ran at 720p on X1 and 1440p on X1X. Must look amazing at native 4K60!

[@Chriva]

Yes indeed. The bridge scene gets me every time :) Literal *WOW*.. moment each and every time lol

[@WH250398]

The game itself was very meh in my honest opinion.

[@tinobrown1780]

If they do, they should tighten up the shooting mechanics a little. But yeah that game looks amazing effects wise.

[@JochoPorocho]

@@WH250398 Wasn’t the best game ever, but had its nice moments, Control is the polish of that game imo

[@BioFrost]

I'm officially addicted to Digital Foundry's videos. I love the higher rate of content we've seen in the past few months.

[@chrisbrown113096]

Alex has referred to the PS4 pro as “professional” multiple times throughout the DF videos. Hard to notice but I’ve definitely heard him say that before

[@GameslordXY]

Well Pro is short of professional, so why not?

[@gonzaloxd2]

Richard calls the base ps4 "ps4 amateur"

[@zybch]

@@GameslordXY Except the ps4 pro was anything but professional.

[@Madyetmellow]

Pro is the informal way of saying professional.

[@8aba_Yaga]

I like when Rich calls the regular PS4 the PS4 "Amateur"

[@Soremwar]

6:17: Play Station 4 PROFESSIONAL

[@MultiEchelon]

😁😆

[@michaelhart5087]

Its what the professional's play.

[@Gaben_Enjoyer]

@@michaelhart5087 So if I get a ps5 I'm not a Pro anymore? Dang.

[@michaelhart5087]

@@Gaben_Enjoyer Or just wait till the ps5 pro comes out and buy that instead.

[@8BitRetroMonkey]

The PlayStation 4 “professional”

[@festive5476]

class

[@DrKrFfXx000000000000]

The irony when he said that.

[@Usrthsbcufeh]

I heard that and went straight to the comments

[@KraaaHKen]

Hahaha! Damn it! Was about to comment the same ^^

[@huawafabe]

@@KraaaHKen i mean, it sounded weird, but that's what 'pro' is supposed to stand for, right? :D

[@JustPhillGaming]

I wish all console next gen games had that graphic sweet spot like spider man remastered on the PS5 where you can do ray tracing at 60fps with performance mode.

[@sawomirbartosiak2487]

Spider -Man remaster for PS5 is a powdering of the old generation games. Only Spiderman Miles Morales is the real next gene. And it is not so rosy there anymore. Only in the quality mode you have RT and 30 fps turned on

[@_obex]

@@sawomirbartosiak2487 Miles Morales has a 60 fps RT mode...

[@GameslordXY]

@@sawomirbartosiak2487 4K30 yes. There was a patch that brought 1080p60RT

[@Bankoru]

@@GameslordXY 1440p60 RT

[@HorseheadNebula85]

"Convex dish" Technically concave, but ARE YOU KIDDING ME that the engine knows what to do with a visual abstraction like that? Raytracing is incredible. EDIT: a word

[@viperhd70]

The engine doesn't 'know'. It's pure physics and the way light bounces that causes the 'anomaly', but yeah that's the strength of raytracing. Imagine 20 years from now when ray tracing also does diffraction and the oil effects in this video would actually be the result of raytracing as well.

[@HorseheadNebula85]

​@@viperhd70 I didn't explain myself well. I know what raytracing is. My point was that the engine is able to so directly integrate those physics calculations that we don't even anticipate. But when they pop up in front of us it's like "Wow, that IS how it works in the real world!"

[@03chrisv]

@@HorseheadNebula85 You should check out the "camera obscura" effect on Minecraft RTX. It just manifested itself based purely on the physics of light, no pre programming. Its very cool.

[@MegaPieru3000]

30fps is also incredibly bad so the 60fps performance mode is the smart choice imo.

[@diharaw94]

As long as your surface normals are correct, ray tracing will be physically accurate, you don't have to specify whether a surface is concave or convex.

[@handle659]

They did a very good job with handling reflections without ray-tracing, good enough that I would take the 60fps over the 30. But really we're all just waiting for a DLSS alternative for AMD, even if they don't have the same acceleration capabilities

[@vollkerball1]

even if the boost is small, it is still a boost.

[@fafski1199]

@@vollkerball1 I guess so, but it also a case of how much fidelity you'll end up losing, for that small boost. If it's like a 10-20% boost but it's a poor 'blurry' quality is like DLSS 1.0 or checkerboarding, then it really isn't worth it. However, a 10-20% boost with around the same good level of quality of DLSS 2.0, then it probably is worth it. Also, RT performance on the consoles and RDNA2 is really a 2 fold issue: 1) RT on AMD's RDNA2 simply isn't that great. Performance levels when compared to Nvidia's Ampere is around 35-40% less on average and that get's even worse with 'full' RT enabled. 2) There's no additional AI cores on the RDNA2 GPU's to be capable of pulling off something like DLSS, in order to mitigate the loss you are getting from using RT.

[@vollkerball1]

@@fafski1199 lets wait and see even if any solution appears and i agree dlss 1.0 was bad but that is normal in New features

[@ioannispoulakas8730]

@@fafski1199 NVIDIA chose to use tensor cores for the upscaling but that doesn't mean that's the only way you can do it. AMD's implementation can be as good without using those cores but some other way. Not an AMD fanboy, I actually have an RTX 2060, but I just wanted to emphasize that there are multiple ways to achieve a result..

[@fafski1199]

@@ioannispoulakas8730 All other ways will use up processing power, either from the CPU or GPU. Either way you are taking up processing power, that could simply be used to boost performance anyway. It's counter-active, taking away performance to try and boost up performance. It also takes up far more 'normal' cores to process, than it does using AI cores that are dedicated and built around doing the necessary AI algorithms. You simply won't get anything close to DLSS on AMD GPU's, until AMD also include some dedicated AI cores for the task, on the GPU. This probably will be the case with the RDNA3 GPU's (2022) and it's rumoured MCM design. Either way you won't see it for a while, especially on console (mid-gen refresh consoles, then maybe)

[@pedrofelck]

We thought Control was a next-gen game when in fact it is a next next-gen game, perhaps PS6 will be able to run it on high settings at 60 FPS with ray-tracing at 4K.

[@outdatedTV]

I hear the argument that consoles are 2x cheaper to buy than a current gen PC. They are cheaper for a reason.

[@thanos2420]

@@outdatedTV They are not cheaper compared to the PC. Just like PC market prices that has gone way up because of the pandemic consoles are expensive too. No you can't buy a PS5 for $500 if you want one you will have to pay around $1300. But when finally everything goes back to normal and you could buy a $500 console then imagine what will happen then to the PC market when Nvidia and AMD and Intel latest hardwares come to the market and the prices of the previous hardwares will drop like a free fall. But consoles will stay at $500 for much longer time.

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

@@thanos2420 I bought it for $500 not to long ago. I work at a gaming pc department. None of the pcs I build are under $1500 for what the ps5 is pushing. Ps5 is a better value for the power it has. Plus the custom ssd you can't get on the market. Console is looking pretty nice.

[@imo098765]

@@Oceanandskylinevidss if the PC market was stable right now. RTX 3070 is $500 MSRP and its 2080Ti level of rasterization and far superior RT than what a PS5 or Series X has. R7 3700X which is basically the CPU in these consoles was $250 Mobo with gen 4 PCIE features $180 32 GB of RAM $200 SSD that has a few hundred GB more usable storage $200 and you have $170 dollars for case and psu $1500 for a PC that is better than a PS5 in nearly every department besides Sony's proprietary tech SSD which as we see from loading times and gameplay makes no difference vs the Xbox consoles. Remeber this game is playing on pc medium mostly low and RT and lods turned further down than PC can. while the pc I showed is a 1440p60fps high settings RT game Remember DF puts the PS5 gpu using RT around the RTX2060 the weakest RT card around and Rasterization around a 2070 Super -2080. So you could drop $150 off the graphics card and still get a better experience. Remember this

[@outdatedTV]

@@thanos2420 let's hope things get back to normal. I'd love to see 3080s for 400$ when the next series arrives. This card is killer.

[@MrAzazel666]

The SSD in Control is a HUGE game changer. Loading on last gen consoles was absolutely painful.

[@revelator3665]

you can put fast ssd in your ps4 pro internally... MX500/860/870EVO... lol

[@ederreyes6529]

@@revelator3665 obviously but you are going to waste another $120 dollars and it won’t be as optimized

[@revelator3665]

@@ederreyes6529 500gb SSD MX 500 50/60$

[@weaverquest]

Still too long for PS5. Seems like it is going to be a while before games take advantage of PS5 storage architecture and match Spider-Man MM loading which loads into a highly detailed open world from a random save file in 1.5 seconds.

[@lordmaster2562]

Xbox one x plays super

[@Tanook]

You can get Control: Ultimate Edition on PS5 tommorow if you have PS+ subscription. Great game to get on PS5.

[@DirEnGay]

Yeah along with Destruction AllStars, overall a pretty solid month. I hope Destruction AllStars doesn't suck lol, they did barely any marketing for that game and pulled it from being a £70/$70 launch title to it being free on PS+ 2 months later lol. My only worry now is if they just cram it full of microtransactions to recoup the game sale loss.

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

I was malding a bit when I found out it was free but it was still funny. Only 17.99 and if the game is as good as people say I'm ok with it

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

Wait. There's a PS5? Where that at

[@kraenk12]

You can also get it if you only have a PS4.

[@tlingitsoldier]

If you don't yet have a PS5, but are a PS+ subscriber, you can still add the game to your collection via a browser. If you get a PS5 later and are still subscribed, you'll be able to play the game.

[@lirfrank]

2:40 "It's so dense, every single image has so many things going on"

[@monkfishy6348]

Technically, every frame is an image, therefore every single image has many things going on in it.

[@lirfrank]

@@monkfishy6348 ...I'm fully aware what a frame is, it's a reference to a Star Wars meme.

[@marctech1996]

@@lirfrank You gotta love Rick McCallum

[@jamesgravil9162]

@@lirfrank So many things going on... except acting. Well, Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor were pretty good.

[@niks660097]

@@jamesgravil9162 acting?, its a game, what acting are you talking about!?

[@L4veyan]

AMD needs to step up their game already and get ai upscaling to work on consoles, the compromises currently are huge.

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

I feel the same way. PS5 and Series X are really missing that next gen feel. Most games run at 1440p on my PS4 Pro, and the absence here of RT shadows and bounce lighting just leaves the visuals looking incomplete.

[@NGuy-kz2eh]

I believe that RDNA2 just doesn't have the same kind of AI oomph in the hardware as the RTX cards, so I'm worried that AMD's DLSS competitor is gonna dissapoint. At the very least tho, I wish devs would make use of the reconstruction techniques that are already possible. Temporal Injection in Spider-Man is awesome. If you didn't tell me that God of War was checkerboard 4K, I probably couldn't tell. With existing tech today you can improve image quality a lot with minimal performance cost.

[@nighttimestalker]

Xbox will support support it with direct ML. But it's still being worked on

[@ajamesa1982]

@@nighttimestalker but as the guy above said these new consoles lack the AI oomph compared to the rtx cards, the series x for example has about 50% machine learning performance of an rtx2060.

[@nighttimestalker]

@@ajamesa1982 Direct ML is based off direct x 12 ultimate. Something Xbox uses.

[@josephn1000]

Ray tracing is great but not worth having to play at 30fps.

[@KindOldRaven]

I agree. If it takes that much of a performance hit, we're just not quite ''there'' yet with this tech both in terms of software *and* hardware support. Now I know AMD's raytracing so far has been... 'meh' due to lack of DLSS-like tech, but that's something the consoles need ASAP if that can be done on the current hardware at all...

[@pcgameboy8407]

And all settings at low besides a few at medium.

[@janeshawley9360]

@@pcgameboy8407 lol yep

[@janeshawley9360]

@@KindOldRaven not only because of no dlss Nvidia simply has more silicone dedicated to Rt. This has been proven already in neutral RT benchmarks without Dlss

[@Km47.]

Which Graphic runs in Graphic mode and Performance mode ?

[@jaritsu]

Next gen consoles already lagging behind year old PCs does not bode well for them. It used to be that consoles used specific hardware to overcome and out-perform conventional PCs (see: N64, dreamcast), but now it seems that design decisions favor commodity hardware and need to be made years in advance, placing them at such an inherit disadvantage. Because of this, we are already needing to sacrifice 50% framerate for basic RT features on these consoles.

[@ZeroSolarisDXL]

The game just isn’t optimized well for AMD cards. For something complex like control, this game needs the Geometry Engine usage on PS5 and AI Upscaling/Super Resolution on XSX (when the feature is ready) This game is optimized for several high performance cards (mainly Nvidia’s, but next gen consoles aren’t being completely utilized yet by far) This game is not at all an indicator of next gen console potential looks like.

[@Taijifufu]

Nobody wants to develop for another Cell though. That's shooting _everyone_ in the foot. Multiplatform games make more money, and PS3 games especially would need significant investment. Many of those games are locked possibly forever in that generation of hardware instead of being able to be sold digitally for years and years and years.

[@arbernuka3679]

next gen can't use 4k and raytrace at 60 fps....can't believe they marketed next gen consoles as 4k120 LOL

[@sakaririchard8810]

1440p/30 fps with almost all low settings is "next-gen"? so much for "PS5 is a beast! all games will run at 4k60 w/ Raytracing! PC gaming is dead!"

[@griffgames9538]

Only a goddamned fool would posit that all PS5 and Series X games would be 2160p-60fps-full RT creatures, or that PC gaming's thriving existence couldn't live alongside those consoles in harmony. - but I know you were going for this cliché and exaggeration to appear faux-petulant and bait responses. 😊

[@JoyStickGuru]

This isn't a full on next gen remaster though??

[@saadkhalid7734]

Next gen is honestly super disappointing.

[@griffgames9538]

@@saadkhalid7734Today's social media "honestly" a.k.a. "I'm exaggerating, but adding 'honestly' might make me sound more authentic."

[@saadkhalid7734]

@@griffgames9538 lemme guess you have a ps5 and got salty?

[@Leap623]

Really cool of them to provide the exact settings. I do kinda wish the checkerboarding raytracing mode would come to PC, though; in general, it would be nice to have more options besides just lowering the resolution or turning up DLSS for reclaiming performance from raytracing on PC hardware, while still getting to see its effects in action.

[@D3athW1ng]

At the risk of dating my gaming life - the destruction in this game reminds of the first time I saw games like FEAR and cryterions BLACK back in the day.

[@evlofenn]

They deserved to die, they all deserved to die!

[@MattiaMirabello]

Damn BLACK was 🔥🔥🔥

[@Rello0]

Literally was playing Black yesterday on XB1.

[@nicholaswoodside4238]

Those games remind me of a simpler time.

[@GrumpyPugComics]

Don't forget crysis

[@justatomato8516]

Sigh. Would love a 3rd option... 1080p with raytracing and 60 fps. Ohh right, that's the new 720p now.

[@slamandjam2]

I wish they had 1440p with RT and 60fps option like Spiderman. Conversely, I wish they also had an option for 4k 60 fps with no RT. The PS5 is more than capable of handling both of those.

[@paradox555666]

I suppose its quite a small team working on quite a demanding game. Personally I'm fine with 1440p 60 but thats what I use with Miles Morales but obviously I'm also getting RT + 60. Got this one free on ps plus anyway so I'm happy.

[@carlomorischi3435]

Now the problem is that I can't really choose between ray-tracing or 60fps

[@JCORR76]

1080p @60fps RTX On

[@ivofixzone6410]

If you a console player, yes you are right, but this is because they are not powerful enough despite the overhype in the media. If you need better performance the solution is only one...

[@aeris2001]

@@JCORR76 Is that setting possible on console

[@Luci2310]

Series x does 60hz Plus raytracing

[@TerraWare]

The game's all about the action, quick reflexes shredding enemies. Unless you plan on examining your reflection in the windows or looking at coffee mugs to see how they reflect the countertop take the performance. Or just start the game in ray traced mode, get it out of your system and than play it properly.

[@DrKrFfXx000000000000]

No matter how much praise RT reflections get, once you are actually playing, not static, contemplating, all those little details highlighted by RT get ignored. The 30 fps, meanwhile, you notice them every single moment.

[@gabor-toth]

Even raytracing isn't worth halving the framerate. 60 fps is a must in my opinion, I would never play at jerky 30. You don't look at reflections during real gameplay anyway.

[@Nonx47]

While I'm in the same boat as you, RT isn't just about "reflections", it's about lighting as well and how realistic light bounces everywhere and lights things up, as well as shadows.

[@mikew1080]

Considering how bad the screen space reflections are, no, I'd take the 30fps and raytracing in this game. Without rt you get constant artifacts that are evident during gameplay, the base reflections are an absolute eye soar at all times. Definitely don't want to look at them 2x more per second, it was the most distracting visual in the base game.

[@justinstewart950]

I’ll personally be playing at 30fps because RT really changes the looks of entire scenes in this game. I’ll switch to 60fps if I’m in a large fight or something (a benefit of not having to reload the game like miles morales).

[@gabor-toth]

@@mikew1080 Judging from this video I don't see anything wrong with it. Losing the fluidity and the responsiveness of the controls is not worth it in my opinion. If you only saw one version or the other you couldn't tell exactly what you see in terms of effects, but you can immediately tell the difference between framerates. I'm glad it's just an option and not forced like in Watch Dogs: Legion.

[@riveraluciano]

It's amazing just how many compromises they have to make to even reach 30FPS with raytracing, it really drives home how RT is in its very early stages of development and how current hardware is still simply not enough for it.

[@likemy]

amd hardware, perhaps. Nvidia GPUs handle raytracing just fine

[@riveraluciano]

@@likemy With DLSS****** Turn off DLSS on pretty much any RayTracing enabled game and you'll struggle to hit 60fps. The compromise is still evident, even with Nvidia cards. Hell, run Control at 4k (1440p with DLSS, the same res as consoles) and RTX on an RTX 2080 Super and you'll be getting 30 ish FPS still.

[@likemy]

@@riveraluciano nah, runs fine at native on my 3080. What GPU do you actually own?

[@riveraluciano]

@@likemy yeah, and your 3080 costs on average (now) at least the price of both consoles together. I have an rtx 2080 super.

[@likemy]

@@riveraluciano why are you bringing up cost? you're asserting that current hardware cannot handle raytracing which is simply untrue. There are two generations of GPUs which can handle raytracing--albeit one more comfortably than the other. 2xxx cards do need dlss to help. Also, strange to say that a 3080 costs as much as two consoles. You're not finding either at MSRP anywhere--may as well compare like to like.

[@lifesanitch404]

This game is so smooth and pristine that i’d gladly play it all over again on PS5. Highly recommended for newcomers.

[@humanandhalf4118]

"custom, medium, low, low, low, low, low" oof

[@janeshawley9360]

lmfao

[@martianmanhunter8219]

Just liked for the profile pic

[@Diabepis]

but it loads 2s faster lol

[@janeshawley9360]

@@Diabepis lmao I wonder how it would load on a gen 4 ssd on pc. Alex's test rig was on a gen 3

[@humanandhalf4118]

@@Diabepis well, 2 seconds are a lot, actually Those are two more seconds to enjoy the lemme check low, low, low, low stretched onto 4k display this reminds me of playing mhfu, emulated in native resolution and streched to full hd Control on PS5 really makes you feel that nostalgia, you know

[@jermainen7846]

Thanks Alex. I've started analysing Ray Tracing in real life based on your analysis. I've found some very interesting results. I'm the UK, so on this platform, Clouds are on high settings, vegetation appears to be on medium and the Sun is on very low settings, Reflections off glass is especially impressive. Thanks Alex. I couldn't do it without you!

[@TheTrashman147]

The texture quality is amazing as well, they're not even compressed and all cutscenes render in engine as well keeping a nice consistent look between levels

[@Bookish1995]

Ultra quality comment

[@oliv3ru]

Surprised how superior the PC is against "next gen" consoles. For the same quality you have to go down from 4k to 2k, set almost everything to low and sacrafice a lot of raytracing quality. Then you have the PS5 version. Not good.

[@romanbellic810]

This Ray guy seems harder to trace than even Osama Bin Laden was.

[@buhshmuh]

: O and A car crash:

[@certified_fresh]

Lmao

[@john_hunter_]

I wonder how AMD is going with their version of DLSS. That could really help consoles reach the higher framerates.

[@mrbananayellow4999]

LOL don't hold your breath

[@635574]

And when the RDNA3 or 4 refresh comes mid gen.

[@CyborgSodaCollects]

When is Sony going to debut their own DLSS solution for PS5? I remember Cerny talking about it.

[@spicynachos2762]

They already do, Consoles use checkerboard upscaling.

[@nemodemolishedgamer7440]

@Sam Houser That's Why Actually PS4pro Never Used Native Resolution Over 1080p In Whole generations Relied on Checkerboard ,Upscaling and Dynamic resolution on majority of the games

[@alpha013]

A little disappointed with PC equivalent the settings. Was hoping to see settings closer to what I run on my RTX 2080, but I guess Nvidia just has that DLSS/RT implementation locked down better than AMD. Still a great looking game even still!

[@bearpuns5910]

Super impressive given how shabby the last-gen versions were. If it's any consolation, Control is an Nvidia sponsored title and performs better on Nvidia cards than AMD ones. Combined with, as you said, Nvidia's more mature raytracing stuff and even DLSS if you count that, I'd bet that this is a worst-case scenario, like Watch Dogs Legion. It's really interesting seeing performance on those consoles vary from Black Ops: Cold War to this. I'm also pretty happy to see my 2060 Super punch above its weight class at times.

[@iconicg7159]

Nvidia is just the king of PC gaming, but this is nice still

[@alpha013]

@@bearpuns5910 Oh yeah for sure a major improvement on the console versions. I guess it's fortunate for me that I had the benefit of playing it on a higher-spec PC the first time.

[@jonjonjon05]

RTX 2080 starting at $699 and PS5 starting at $399

[@DirEnGay]

DLSS is a major breakthrough in PC gaming, and despite people always bringing home the message that both PS5 and Series X have some kind of upscale implemented, it's nowhere near on the level of DLSS 2.0. I'm loving next gen console gaming, but man I also would have loved if they delayed say another year and launched with an impressive DLSS 2.0 alternative, because I'm quite confident if they did this it would almost eliminate entirely 30 FPS games with 4K Upscale. 60 could have been the new standard with 120hz being implemented more commonly in the "performance" mode.

[@MrMarkTheBeastMemes99]

An idea for a video series: How about you start "how it evolved" series, comparing the last entry in a game series to the latest one (let's say quantum break and control) technically of course or comparing games graphical features to another (RDR2 to Cyberpunk...) Like that the viewer will appreciate the game and the effort the developer put to revolutionize the next entry

[@spapbp]

You know of nick930?

[@MrMarkTheBeastMemes99]

@@spapbp Yes, I know him. What I wanted to say is to compare the games the "Digital Foundry way", Deep dive in technical matters, like how the developer achieved what they achieved(in engine technical matters, and developers interviews if possible), what new techniques they used that they didn't use before, is it good or bad... And the like. They can go many different ways compared to nick930 and still produce an amazing content!

[@CwamaCorn]

Why would I choose 30 over 60 frames because of a fucking coffee pot. I appreciate the fine details in games but these details are 200% not worth capping this game at 30fps lol

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

It’s subjective.

[@jonnyfive5000]

It’s really impressive considering it still is a ps4 game with some tweaks and enhancements running on new hardware. I’d really like to see a ps5 game built from the ground up that really pushes it to the max.

[@conciise136]

I think Demons Souls is a pretty great hardware demo considering how true it is to the original.

[@jonnyfive5000]

Just played it for the first time today on my ps5 today. Uploading some gameplay. It’s up their on ghost of Tsushima level graphics wise. 60fps looks really clean and the modern esthetic gives it a really clean look. Lots of aa and the checkerboard pops out at times. But interesting game, still have no idea what’s going on after 30min

[@jonnyfive5000]

@@conciise136 waiting for a sale on that one as I’m not to fond of the gameplay from the PS3 version I own but I’d be willing to give it another chance on the ps5

[@jonnyfive5000]

@@GameslordXY hopefully not that long lol but you could be right 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@GameslordXY]

@@jonnyfive5000 Well actually, it's more like 5 years or so. But you will certainly see games that push it HARD in the meantime. Same as with any other generation.

[@Katsudon96]

I wish more games Ditch the 4K when using RT, would rather 60Fps with RT at 1080 like with Spider-Man.

[@sergz8241]

yea... beside almost none of the games can even run at 4k 60 fps without the RT, RT is simply too hard to run.. we need to wait for next gen of consoles n graphic cards to make it work =D

[@ErenTheWarcriminal]

@diga mec that's the RT + performance mode, normal perfomance mode in Spider-Man Remastered is dynamic 4K.

[@wumbol0gy871]

I would rather that, too, but sadly Spiderman makes other sacrifices (the wrong ones, in my opinion and to most people's eyes) instead of resolution like crowd density and further resolution hits on RT effects.

[@pcgameboy8407]

@@sergz8241 I mean 3080 runs plenty of games at 4k60fps with RT on, and more so with DLSS on.

[@rickjamesia]

@@ErenTheWarcriminal Right, but the person he was replying to is talking specifically about the RT + Performance mode, if you take the context of “60 FPS with RT”. Normal performance mode has no ray-tracing. Speaking of which, I should really go back and look at the new mode. I had already finished the game before they released it.

[@Crashed131963]

So for $500 ($400) a Ps5 is a cheap way to enjoy the newest AAA games on your standard 4k 60Hz TV. A $2000 PC should blow away a ps5 not be this close .

[@yunochan1849]

I usually choose performance mode, but dang this time it's kind of a hard decision on the PS5. Ray tracing looks amazing on this game.

[@Aristowi]

It "looks" amazing, but I think for this game it's more important how it "feels", and I will stick with the 60 fps mode for that. It still looks great, you just lose the reflections, but it's not like you are paying attention to them during combat anyway.

[@write2nick]

@@Aristowi doesn’t matter. The game is crap like Xbox exclusives

[@KEVBOYMUSIC]

@@write2nick I think it's one of the best games of the last generation. I'm very happy for it to be getting the next gen upgrade. If you think the game is crap, not sure why you're watching this video in the first place, much less commenting on multiple threads about how you think it's "crap like Xbox exclusives"

[@85wastedyears]

@@write2nick Game is amazing. You're probably a fortnite player or something...

[@lesterbronson2385]

@@write2nickYou must be 10 years old to say something like that

[@hiawa23]

Curious how the X1X version compares to the SeriesX version.

[@SynthMusicWorld]

Well, I can tell you right now that playing at 60 FPS is pretty nice. I'm trying to think back to how it looked on my One X and there's not a whole lot that's obvious, beyond ray tracing.

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

It's a pretty obvious difference. Ray tracing change the look of the entire game along with higher resolutions. Idk why didn't talk about the series x version here.

[@hiawa23]

@@ImTheMan0fSteel I assume they plan on covering the Series X/S versions later and how they compare to the X1X version.

[@hiawa23]

@@SynthMusicWorld I thought it looked pretty good on the X1X, as I own the disc, and wanted to continue my save from last gen. I see the PS4/PS5 enhanced copy is the PS Plus free game of the month.

[@ImTheMan0fSteel]

@@hiawa23 hope so! Runs butter smooth. Hope they add this version to gamepass. Was kinda frustrated that they added the non updated version like a few weeks before this launched. It was orhinally supposed to be the special edition but it got delayed. Did you check out that new series exclusive?? Good God that game is gorgeous. And just brilliant honestly. Has its issues but games trying something new always do. Nice to see the variety this time around for xbox.

[@gracefulPainter]

What's cooler is that the PS5 isn't using DLSS, which has a big hand in making the game playable with RT on PC at high settings.

[@abeidiot]

well yeah, that's the reason it's running at 30fps while an equivalent gpu like rtx 2080 can do better

[@altacc1795]

No ones uses DLSS most master race pp don't

[@gracefulPainter]

@@altacc1795 I've got a 2080 S and a 3900X and I Use DLSS. Granted, DLSS 1 wasn't that good, but 2.0 was a big difference. If "PC gamers" aren't utilizing it, that's on them because it's a great way to keep IQ up and gain some performance.

[@jeffgilleese6332]

They should have an option for 1080p 60fps RT.

[@rahulpandey9472]

Probably wasn't able to reach locked 60 at 1080p too so they just left it at locked 30.

[@zahidrehman528]

@@rahulpandey9472 sorry if insomniac can implement for miles morales in short turnaround and that is open world game..... remedy should be able to do it too @ 1080p 60fps in a linear game

[@SkullKnightmare775]

I don’t think we will see Raytracing 60Fps for another console generation. Hell even on PC Raytracing in Newer games is making These 3000 series cards look underpowered. In my opinion as cool as Raytracing is. It’s not as much of a game changer as they talk it up to be. It more or less distracts me from playing a game. Cause you wanna stop and look at every detail. In the thick of Combat sometimes it tough to tell what Is raytraced and what isn’t.

[@rahulpandey9472]

@@zahidrehman528 Not same engine, not the same studio. There could be a lot more things going on in the background that's preventing it from reaching 60 fps.

[@Lalesama1987]

@@zahidrehman528 first party studios know their hardware.

[@noisackda2564]

Really wish we could get 60fps with RT on the PS5. This is nice though. Had no idea everything was destructible. I love that stuff! Free on PS Plus too.

[@MasterMayhem78]

So stoked that this is a PS Plus game dropping tomorrow. 🤘🏻

[@matheusrsantos]

I bought the game last month... Not so stoked

[@Rodd200]

This game desevers a new run from the start on my ps5. I didnt play the DLCs tho. Free on ps plus ❤

[@festive5476]

nice!

[@rizzofohshizzle380]

Also part of Game Pass

[@musty8748]

@@rizzofohshizzle380 no one asked

[@derrickwilliams1210]

@@rizzofohshizzle380 Not the Ultimate Edition though

[@IAmHereOrThere]

Just a heads up. If I'm not mistaken, the version of Control on Ps Plus and Gamepass are not the ones to receive this update. I think it's like the ultimate edition or something that will get the next gen update. Edit: Ps Plus version has the ultimate version. Sorry for the confusion!

[@ragnarlothbrok4659]

The PS5 is more powerful than the series x with better ray tracing and better more advanced hardware that's why PS5 is nonstop competing with high end PC on Digital Foundry While Xbox Series X is sitting on the bench Left out without any tools 🧂 PS5 master race you Xbots PC pesants PS5 is better than PC and Xflop 🛠️😂😂😂

[@festive5476]

k dude

[@madzgaming4244]

@@festive5476 Ragnar is right you know PS5 master race

[@kekwkekw6181]

@@festive5476 Ragnar has a point all you PC pesants and xlops have no games no exclusives no top quality games PS5 is more powerful than an RTX 3070 high end PC and Xbox Series X PS5 is better PS5 master race

[@rixzin5046]

Get your head checked out. You legitimately sound unhinged

[@festive5476]

never went against ragnar dk why you guys are targetting me

[@SKGaming07958]

I got control as a ps+ monthly game, the problem is it’s not showing the option to switch between quality and performance, can someone help me.

[@artemizx]

The Control Ultimate Edition is the only way to get a PS5 upgrade.

[@SKGaming07958]

@@artemizx ohh kk I didn’t knew that thank you

[@Rain1dog]

Hell yeah, absolutely loved this on the Pro. I got the plat and can’t wait for the 5!! Once again, fantastic work. I love watching all of you gals/guys videos. Thank you!

[@agmills86]

Downloaded it today and playing on graphics mode at the minute, looks good to me for a console, only got to the first boss at the minute, will try 60 fps mode out, may prefer that over reflections in windows, they do look good though!

[@edulinares7152]

This is the worst and laziest "Next gen" port I ever seen so far. The ps5 version is disgusting. Performance mode is basically ps4 pro at 60 fps, which is decent but less than the minimum expected for a supposedly native PS5 game. The ray tracing is pathethic. Horribly feeling 30fps mode that somehows feels slower and more awkward to control than PS4 pro version (which I've finished) and the resolution is even lower, it's a blurry mess at points. And the RT is absolutely crap. Terrible all around.

[@jackpurchase45]

I think I'll be playing this in the 60fps mode on my series x rather than the raytraced mode. Raytracing obviously makes the game look visually more appealing but imo its about time we get off 30fps and move to 60. Its more nextgen to me than Raytracing

[@wozzielfc401]

Yeah nothing should be in 30fps anymore 🤦‍♂️

[@lukebradley8952]

Yeah I actually couldn’t believe how much better Spiderman Miles Morales looked with 60fps, and Ray tracing for me became secondary.

[@Sackboy612]

@@lukebradley8952 The RT performance mode is easily the way to go in Spiderman. Hard to believe that anyone would choose 4k/30, even after I kept going back to it, nothing beats the motion clarity that 60fps provides.

[@CrashBashL]

We need 1080p/60fps/RT

[@heroicsquirrel3195]

60fps is the bare minimum at this point, 30fps should be illegal

[@Igni-bu5mz]

I had a good time with it on the One X; only noticeable issue was the momentary hitching after pausing or going to menus. Looking forward to another go on PS5.

[@hrungnir00008psp]

Small note: the dish is concave.

[@stuffsummedup22]

You could say it's convex from behind

[@hrungnir00008psp]

@@stuffsummedup22 ;-D

[@Archivist42]

I definitely wouldn't mind playing this game again - so underrated!

[@HugoStiglitz88]

YOU LIEEEE!!!!!!!!! (Arnold voice)

[@starboy6226]

Yh but I’m not buying it twice

[@FrancescoPatro]

Never got to play it, would you recommend it? (Ps4)

[@Rohlix]

Absolutely agree. For me it's the Prey of 2019.

[@Archivist42]

@@starboy6226 Would’ve been nice if there was at least a cheaper upgrade path for existing owners. Full repurchase, is a bit rough - especially when some games got similar upgrades completely free

[@Scallywig1]

I've never been to a video this fast. 👀

[@zekepliskin6398]

And yet you found when you got there, there were somehow already over a thousand comments, right? 😂

[@TheNerd]

Considering that a PS5 is kind of a "mid tier PC with RTX" it still looks great if you ask me. And in the end: what a games makes beautfiull to look at is the art. some games that are very old are still beautifull to look at for that reason.

[@52thephotoshop]

I feel like it's gonna date real fast though. When a 3080 can already give you 4k 60fps in this game

[@altacc1795]

@@52thephotoshop yeah, lol.

[@redocious8741]

I wouldn’t consider an RTX 2070 super a mid tier...

[@GeneralSouthParkFan]

@@redocious8741 When a RTX 3060 is presented as the new entry midrange & appears to be at max within 2070S territory, I'd say it's fair calling it midrange

[@altacc1795]

@@raios-rogueboss-slayer4179 a rtx 3070 that does "30fps in 1440p at lower then the lowest settings"? Yeah right. XD

[@demos1073]

Why cant we have 1080p with medium/high details instead of 2160p/1440p with low detalis ??

[@janeshawley9360]

lol

[@mickeyriola9087]

Cause it ain’t a pc

[@rahulpandey9472]

Thats why I don't like consoles because you have no control over what kind of experience you want.

[@weaverquest]

If you are watching this video on a high-resolution display the clarity in textures and models that comes with high resolution is a lot more significant than improvements that come with higher setting compared in this video. I couldn't even tell the difference without the 400% zoom-ins and someone pointing it out. Though I guess 1080p med/high would have been a nice option for people playing on 1080p displays.

[@janeshawley9360]

@@rahulpandey9472 me to

[@CharlesVanNoland]

I think it's important for people to remember that the PS5 is raytracing with AMD silicon in there.

[@MasterMayhem78]

Why is this important to know?

[@ilovetech1289]

This video made the PS5 not seen so new or next gen and Fanboys are trying to over look that and just keep talking about , he said PS4 Professional , SMH . if this was the Series X instead of PS5 y'all would be talking so much 💩 saying , so much for that 12TF .

[@ilovetech1289]

@Yukesh Chandrakumar Really ? what are you like 12 ? you can't be grown and feel that type of way about a video game console 🤣🤣 it's not that serious.

[@kevboard]

the PS5's RT performance here is very close to a GTX1070ti... that's not a joke. a 1070ti can run almost these exact settings at 1080p30, and that's with full resolution reflections as there's no options to use checkerboarding on PC. with that option it could maybe even run it at 1440p

[@weaverquest]

Yeah this is a pretty crappy low effort update but at least the game is given away on PS Plus.

[@trianglestri7487]

Damn such a shame Raytraced shadows & indirect defused lighting is missing on console as I personally feel it did make the most difference when you run it Side by side

[@rika5417]

I was looking forward those features

[@ioannismarkopoulos8466]

wait for ps6 or buy a pc :P

[@mikew1080]

Seems like a lazy upgrade without much optimization. My 2060s in my pc nets me all medium settings with full rtx at 1440p30fps(dlss to 4k.) My PS5 outperforms my pc on every single cross-platform title except this one. I can't make sense of it. Seems more than capable. At least turn on rt ambient occlusion(its only 1 frame more demanding than ssao.) Makes a world of difference to the lighting model.

[@ps5hasalreadywon269]

AMD RT is not that great

[@NGuy-kz2eh]

@@mikew1080 it seems like the consoles just aren't particularly good at RT, at least so far. Likely because RDNA2 is so new and devs aren't used to it? Similar to how poorly RT performed when the RTX 20 series first came out, in games like BFV. Spider-Man on PS5 shows that you can get more out of the hardware though.

[@othman0077]

so, PS4 PRO, 4.2Tearflops 1080p @30fps PS5, 1440p 1.8× @ 60fps 2× =(4.2×1.8)+(4.2×2)=15.96 Teraflops of PS4 power means if PS4 PRO is 15.96 at least will able hopefully to match PS5 currently good stuff 👏

[@Cinderkin]

Ray-Tracing will NEVER be worth the performance hit. If they can't maintain 60FPS with RT, then I'm always going to turn it off. I don't play games by standing in front of shit to admire reflections.

[@rocstarang5747]

I only turn It on when I'm taking screenshots 😁

[@JoyStickGuru]

Ngl, I spent over 10hrs admiring the RT in Miles Morales.

[@rocstarang5747]

@@JoyStickGuru lol

[@abdullahhagawi1716]

I wish if every game have a 1080p with RT and 60 FPS like miles morales

[@nemodemolishedgamer7440]

I know it is possible With the games But As You should know Developers are becoming Lazy and Greedy They will not Give a shit about Console Hardware They will straight Up Chose low - Medium Settings on resolution like * 1440p Rather then giving High Ultra settings Preset for the console Gamers

[@abdullahhagawi1716]

@@nemodemolishedgamer7440 exactly👍

[@gurkiratsingh8747]

In my opinion, ray tracing is something, nice to have. But not something you miss having. And for those who say muh realism. Let me give you an example, compare Teardown (always has ray tracing) with Control (without ray tracing enabled), which one would look more realistic? Exactly. You can enjoy game like Teardown as it's unique and can provide you with new technologies, without any budget constraints. But given how expensive Ray Tracing is still for a normal consumer, you don't really miss it. It's nothing like dx9 vs dx10, the time we cared about apis. That don't even matter these days either. Just look at dx11 vs dx12. It all really depends on how good the game is and how optimised it is, everything else comes later.

[@DonkeyRhubarb21]

I felt that Miles Morales with its high performance with RT mode was perfect.

[@kahuna3901]

I'd be really interested in a breakdown of what the series X version will be able to do. Ray tracing is massively benefitted by having more compute units. We know this from pc GPUs. It'll be interesting to see how much further the series X can go if remedy has really optimised for the newest Xbox GDK.

[@christiansoneson5631]

Gut feeling... Xbox will get a ps5 port and not use the extra CUs but rather run on the same amount as ps5 on lower clock at that. Resulting a slightly worse version on Xbox. We will see

[@kyzersoze8408]

Series x has 17% more compute units. Not much of a difference to talk about there.

[@kyzersoze8408]

@@christiansoneson5631 Colteastwood said the same thing on twitter and he got roasted by ubisoft devs. Simply out thats not how coding works at least for consoles.

[@kyzersoze8408]

Also sony just like Microsoft finalized their dev kits and tools for their system in 2020 march. Theres only a 4 month difference between when the two companies finalized their dev kits and tools. So don’t hold out hope that the finalized GDK will give a really big edge over the PS5.

[@benny8059]

@@christiansoneson5631 I agree. Won't use series x full potential.

[@davecarsley8773]

After playing consoles daily for 25 years (and being totally happy doing so), then getting a gaming PC 7 months ago, I'll never go back to consoles. It never bothered me before, but definitely _would_ bother me now, to have only 2 choices pre-determined for me-- 1440p/60fps/no RT OR 1440p/30fps/with RT... I would definitely not be happy with either. After playing on PC, I could never ever ever ever go back to 30 fps. So the "graphics mode" would be out of the question. But this game is an RT showcase, so I would also want some Raytracing, so the "performance mode" would be out of the question too. I wouldnt be happy having my only 60fps option be zero raytracing. I'd want something in the middle, even if something had to be sacrificed (for instance, 1080p/60fps/RT on, or even 1440p/45fps/Low-RT). My PC is only slightly more powerful than a PS5/XBsX. These consoles are definitely capable of giving console players all the graphics choices us PC players get so that each player could find the perfect setup for _their_ tastes. But they simply won't allow it! The sad fact is that it's probably the console makers who won't allow it for dumb PR reasons-- I can imagine Sony or Microsoft saying "Oh no. We simply can't allow you to put any 1080p option on our new generation of consoles. It wouldn't look good to the public!"

[@wizzgamer]

What’s your PC specs.

[@davecarsley8773]

@@wizzgamer Ryzen 5 3600x and an RTX 3090.... When I bought my PC in mid-2020 (a pre-built from Microcenter), it came with a Ryzen 2700x and an AMD RX5700xt, but late last year I dropped in a new CPU/GPU. I'm very much a converted console player. I don't even own a "monitor". My PC is hooked up to my 4k TV in my living room just like my last gen consoles are, and I play PC games *only* with a controller-- never keyboard & mouse (yeah, I know that's a major sin to the PC club). I've been very happy since making the switch, but I'll definitely still buy a PS5 whenever it becomes easier to get one. I have a real soft spot for Sony's studios. Overall, I think they make the best video games in the world (granted, I'm a single player gamer), and of course, I can't get them on PC. What about you? Are you a PC guy? Or are you rockin one of the new consoles?

[@leafleap]

5:09 I paused when she was reaching for that floppy disc, why does her facial expression look better on PS4? Shadows, folds and facial features are more pronounced, highlights are brighter (compare the sheen on her nose tip, forehead and chin), and she has a glint in her eyes. On PS4 she looks like she is physically straining to reach, on PS5 she just looks tired and undefined.

[@thenoobperspective7588]

I was skeptical when I read your comment but holy cow, you’re right. They switched to a new version of their engine for this so it must be either a slight difference in how the lighting is handled, or the PS4 Pro used pre-rendered cutscenes and no one noticed.

[@sovereignsammy8528]

Probably because of performance mode enabled reduces model quality to reach that 60fps everyone raves about

[@thenoobperspective7588]

@@sovereignsammy8528 There is simply no way that a 60fps performance mode has this running on PS5 at below PS4 Pro settings

[@sovereignsammy8528]

@@thenoobperspective7588 I don’t know man that game has a lot going on and is really intense at times so it wouldn’t surprise me at all. If I had a ps5 I’d compare the quality mode models with performance mode and then I’d know for sure.

[@AntneeUK]

Brilliant analysis as usual, Alex. Thoroughly enjoyed this. I've only played the original on Series X and I did notice some texture loading issues, such as the clocks in the motel. Interesting that you're not seeing it on the PS5 version. Will look forward to Tom's video on the latest versions on Series X 👍

[@SamuraiMerrick]

Ray Tracing isn't worth 30+ frames per second. The fact that they added Ray Tracing to these consoles well knowing they cannot do even 1400p + 60 FPS + HDR at the same time is unfortunate. Maybe it'll get better in 2 years but I doubt it. These consoles don't have the horse power for 4K 60 with HDR and Ray Tracing.

[@canadianmale7610]

Give us 1080P @ 60 frame with RT

[@Giru]

My thoughts exactly. Miles Morales hit the sweet spot with that option and it's quickly become my favorite way to play, when available.

[@fwabble]

I hope those frame rate drops I saw don't occur very much. I am very glad the developers offered a performance mode but it really should mean that it DOES NOT drop below 60 - the idea is drop the visuals BEFORE the frame rate drops

[@andresx791]

yeah im king of disappointed that the game is not fully utilizing the PS5 hardware, ray tracing aside, the performance mode should run at a higher settings and maintain 60fps every where, it seems to me its not well optimized, we should wait for future patches and see

[@fernando_alfradique]

I would never sacrifice performance for the sake of reflections. Yeah, they’re sweet but LOOK AT THAT 60 FPS MOTION!!! 😍

[@wizzgamer]

I would cos that's why i bought a next gen console for Ray Tracing and new tech as otherwise my aging 4 year old PC can play this 60fps maxed out.

[@xjaskix]

nothing special with 60fps, seen that since 30 years ago when i started gaming. tbh it makes many games look silly, very uncinematic.

[@jjungo65]

Digital Foundry breakdown in the morning!!!! You guys are spoiling me and it ain’t Valentines Day yet lol

[@KontryBoy706]

so glad I waited to play this game. Can't wait to play it on PS5. I'm going to do the same for Cyberpunk... I will wait until the PS5 version.

[@paulpivaral4832]

It’s free on ps plus so should go up in a couple of days

[@KontryBoy706]

@@ioannismarkopoulos8466 I'm not going to turn this into some console vs pc thing being I have a gaming pc it's a few years old and I don't want to upgrade right now. I also own a ps5. How much is that RTX 4090 that's not even out yet going to set you back? WITH the scalping that's SURE to launch right along side it LOL. As far as this PS5 version there's NO WAY you know those things for sure being the game is still being developed on PS5. I guess you know more than the devs and more than Digital Foundry knows. I don't expect it to run at max settings at 4K at 60fps... even PC CAN'T do that with a 3090 and 10900K consistently. Thousands of dollars in hardware. This shows the game is poorly optimized. So, no matter what I'd rather play the game on PS5 than play it on PS4 or the PS4 version on PS5. Also there's no reason for me to upgrade my PC right now to play....what? Just this poorly optimized game? Nothing else in particular. The PS5 version is not expected until later this year... that's time for more development and more patches etc.

[@johnnysilverhand9802]

@Steps 😂😂that clown has no idea what he is talking about PS5 GPU is more powerful than RTX 3070

[@johnnysilverhand9802]

@@ioannismarkopoulos8466 PS5 has a big navi 21 custom made GPU that's more powerful than the RTX 3070 if the hardware is not used properly it's gonna underperform you're clueless

[@KontryBoy706]

@@paulpivaral4832 yup looking forward to it :)

[@Bcap222]

If Insomniac games managed to make open world games like Spiderman and Miles morales run at 60 fps with RT, maybe we'll see a patch for this too

[@edukee]

I would take 60 fps over raytracing anytime

[@85wastedyears]

100%. All the way!

[@SynthMusicWorld]

The raytracing looks nice, but I suspect at some point after the novelty has worn off I will switch to performance mode.

[@bewsket]

12:58 Cutting edge next-gen console, JUST came out, and it can only maintain stable framerate on Low settings?

[@thanos2420]

Not just low settings, lower than the lowest settings possible that you can on a PC, and even if you lower your settings on your PC all the way to the end according to Alex you are still getting better visuals compared to the PS5. And if you just search on Yotube Control on a GTX 1070 and you will see that a 2016 GPU is outperformin so called next generation of consoles. Linus tech tips said that a 1070 was the equivalent to a XSX and Gamers Nexus said the same thing. The hardware is really outdated on PC but it's really sad to see that console fanboys are even after everything that they seen they're still trying to somehow find an excuse for their plastic box.

[@spenny2cents]

It’s a last gen game being patched to run on next gen hardware you dolts!! How hard is to understand that we won’t be seeing the TRUE power of these consoles until we develop “exclusively” for them

[@spenny2cents]

@@thanos2420 You should stick to the Marvel Movies you clearly are a waste of space in the tech field

[@automatik25]

I was hoping that next gen consoles would eliminate the need for a "performance mode" and "graphics mode", making them able to do both. I guess we would have to wait for another generation :(

[@griffgames9538]

Traditional "quality" modes vs "Ray Tracing" modes can be very different creatures. This isn't merely a basic round of image quality setting preset bumps. *Ray Tracing (real-time ray tracing in modern AAA games) remains very computationally heavy on every platform at the moment*

[@FelipeRRM]

Alex, how would you chose to play this version of the game? I know it's a totally personal preference, just curious if you would sacrifice the smoothness in favor of the added fidelity gained with RT. Also would be great to have this checkerboarded option for the RT on the PC, on all the RT effects, would make it easier to turn all the effects on.

[@lixiviumrahxephon6375]

I'm stoked to play this tomorrow!

[@bandersalah845]

Why spiderman run on ps5 native 4k 30fps with ray tracing but control and watch dogs cant achieve that? Even on xbox series x ? I think for game optimization no one can beat insomniac games

[@nemodemolishedgamer7440]

naughty Dog Can :)

[@bandersalah845]

@@nemodemolishedgamer7440 maybe

[@Rafael-oo8wh]

Normally I choose 60fps for just about every game, but this game actually looks pretty good with its graphics mode.

[@light3267]

next gen is pc end of story

[@gtibro6799]

Nah

[@TheKrueger1428]

Pretty ignorant take.

[@wizzgamer]

Wrong consoles dictate generations and graphics and hardware in general.

[@light3267]

@@wizzgamer hahaha no

[@tomoprime217]

I STILL want devs to give us a 1080p Quality mode as well. I mean 1440p is a nice option but everyone’s set up varies. I still game at 1080 60fps or higher on PC. Oh well maybe the console makers will catch on with the mid cycle refresh.

[@axelgenus]

Next-gen my a**: my 980ti just keeps pushing 60+ fps in this game with the "performance" PS5 configuration at 2560x1080 resolution. A 2070S can run Control 1440p60 with higher settings than "graphic" PS5 mode. What a joke.

[@qifengpan7722]

seems there is no optimization on consoles......

[@berealbud2963]

Man what's wrong with you lol. Go live life. Crying over this

[@axelgenus]

Sony consoles fanboy spotted. 😂

[@TheFirestriker101]

It's 400 bucks who cares lol

[@axelgenus]

@@qifengpan7722 Control is very graphically intensive game and one of the first (real) ray-tracing games. Remedy did their best to adapt it but it is not a matter of optimization: 30 fps on a next-gen console with ray-tracing active is simply ridiculous. Not even a 2060 KO performs that bad.

[@e2rqey]

Looks pretty good for the hardware they are working with. My only complaint would be that due to the AA being so low, there are a lot of artifacts and flickering due to it.

[@Potato_n_Tomato]

RTX is nice in a subtle way and when you pay attention but 60fps is a night and day difference on everything including response time/controls.

[@rocstarang5747]

Not hating, but I think reviewers/media take 60fps for granted since lots of them are playing on top of the line hardware. The only rabbit for them to chase is RTX 🤷

[@Potato_n_Tomato]

@@rocstarang5747 Same goes for gamers tbh. It's easier to hype up/sell a game that's 30fps with visuals turned up rather than 60fps which is something you appreciate after actually owning said game.

[@rocstarang5747]

@@Potato_n_Tomato agreed

[@chairface9388]

They need to make a new max payne game with all that destruction

[@festive5476]

ah id love that

[@Egurius3]

It's too bad that Remedy doesn't own the IP anymore though. And Rockstar who owns the IP rarely makes new games these days 🙁

[@tardwrangler1019]

Max Payne 3 gameplay+control destruction and physics