Control Ultimate Edition: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - 60FPS and Ray Tracing Modes Tested

[@randallorndorff]

We've reached a point where 3 fps frame-drop is an issue and I'm grateful. I...remember darker times.

[@legacyoftheancientsC64c]

I lived through the N64 era... the fact that we have consoles that can hit 120fps now it's just so mind blowing to me.

[@Ultimagicarus]

Damn, Shadow of the Colossus and Metal Gear Solid 3 is very playable back in the day.

[@maheshmurali2697]

Lol yeah I played on both performance mode and graphics mode I'm okay with both the modes.

[@uum6]

Cyberpunk entered the chat

[@rainer23423]

@@uum6 Yeah if you play Cyberscam on old gen you can revive the darker times.

[@stewardappiagyei6982]

I wonder if I too can summon Alex by saying "ray tracing" twice while staring in a mirror.

[@rlfernandes9538]

You gotta mention Crysis somewhere for it to work, or else his shrine won't ping him.

[@festive5476]

@@rlfernandes9538 Don't forget Turok

[@blindtorpedo]

🤣

[@ClapperDan]

You have to first believe that we live in a simulation so that the reflection is ray traced

[@sqeaky6921]

Lmfao

[@BlackBird0050]

They should release 1080p performance RT mode just like spiderman

[@amnril]

Even if it meant lowering to 1080p I’d play it in that mode.

[@talalahsan6824]

They said there is team is small so they cant.

[@Aarkwrite]

I was looking for someone to bring this up lol. I hope so too. I want my RT and 60.

[@teehundeart]

Probably more of a 900p60fps mode

[@freemanzweidreifunf8025]

i think they wont, sadly. The Insomniac team is just to talented to make them a standart for expectasions...

[@KB-nt6bw]

Any Game: *Releases: Next Gen Update* DF: "Business is boomin'!"

[@mohammedyasin2087]

When you're too early and upset that the experts in the DF comments section haven't summarized the video for you.

[@femto8402]

They will come very soon my friend

[@carolinagamer2874]

Already seeing comments like "another L for SeriesX"

[@femto8402]

@@carolinagamer2874 yeah from both "sides" actually

[@certified6342]

@@carolinagamer2874 it's fan boys on both sides are just as bad, look at the hitman comments. People needs to just enjoy what they are playing instead of worrying about minimal differences.

[@certified6342]

@Steps I've seen both sides so not pointing the finger at one or the other, both are bad

[@musty8748]

Files sizes are also interesting: PS5 = 25GB XSX = 42GB

[@DraculVaDomni666]

Better compression.

[@alexperez1519]

Also free on ps5!

[@verityz470]

Next gen compression in use VS next gen compression not in use

[@Sonicpants69]

Isn't that the Kraken compression system they were talking about?

[@XGlite015]

how about series S. it loaded the fastest, does it have the biggest or smallest file size.

[@AntonioGrasso86]

Something technical that is also probably worth mentioning is that Control Ultimate Edition on PS5 is 42% smaller than Xbox Series X and how/if that impacts the game.

[@Dhbdhjdbd]

Yea and my ps5 literally takes 4 - 5 sec to load and get into a game. I dont know why DF ps5 takes 11.41 sec.

[@daryllivingstone6257]

Digital foundry are bias towards xbox and anything Microsoft have people not noticed that

[@cir-ce1043]

@@Dhbdhjdbd user location is a factor that affects loading speed.. source: Google

[@Dhbdhjdbd]

@@cir-ce1043 i see your point. But a 6 sec difference? Also i will take your point with a grain of salt as google is not a credible source of research.

[@gauravnegi4312]

@@daryllivingstone6257 said no one ever.

[@oscarmedina7368]

The more I see this Series S perform games like this the more I'm glad I was able to get it for that $300 price tag. Not a bad system at all.

[@PotatoJonson]

So happy with my Series S and my 1080 Tv.

[@MadX8]

Definitely. The fact that a 300$ console can run a game like that at 60 FPS is something that amaze me... For the same price on the market, you have a Switch. I love the Switch don't get me wrong, but if you just want your 1080/60fps (It's not like 4K is a standard, even though people talk like it is), you're good to go with a Series S and the Game pass. Hopefully we'll have more 60fps on the Series S in the future

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@MadX8 yes im also loving my series S. wanted an x originally but couldnt get one so bought the S and im so impressed that now im not going to buy a series X. i got a external hdd for cheap so the storage issue is solved.

[@LNCRFT]

@@MadX8 Sadly, there are still games which do run better on One X than on Series S. The Long Dark for example runs at a native 2160p at 30 fps on One X and 1080p at 30 fps on Series S because it's utilizing base Xbox One code.

[@justaguy2501]

I think the series s is good but only for now . I mean rn it can play games 900p -1080p 60fps but what about the future ? it probably won't be able to do that in future . I think it probably won't even be able to do 1080p 30fps after 5 years .

[@pixel9719]

This game is awesome,been playing it all day on the 60fps mode and I like the haptics when you fire a weapon

[@MassiveHappyClapper]

I am looking forward to trying it. I am playing AC valhalla and Immortals which are big games. I will get tonit eventually. The haptics are cool on PS5.

[@bet9898]

O hold me richard !!! Lol ...I can't bare the millisecond frame drops lol.. na seriously I have this game on PC I only have a 1660 super at 1440p 60 frames and my damn PS5 is running it pretty close if not better .. you guys also gotta try out division 2 , 4k 60fps update , it looks phenomenal... The best $8.99 I ever spent on game lol..add me on psn If u guys want..bet9898.

[@kaleidoskope4314]

@@wizzenberry God of War looks pretty good on my PS4. I am currently playing through Horizon Zero Dawn on my new rdna 2 6800 xt @ 1440p with all settings maxed out it's drop dead gorgeous.

[@melxb]

@@kaleidoskope4314 yeah and if u can experience horizon zero dawn with hdr, def do so, some of the best ive seen

[@voided_reality6863]

Not just when firing weapons, that little tap when walking that changes depending on what you are standing on or what your pace is, that is the real winner.

[@SolidMGSnake]

Performance RT mode would've been nice.

[@SalveMonesvol]

The thing is, each step of ray tracing takes up a little over 1ms and it doesn't matter at which resolution you do it, so 60fps with RT is really difficult. I guess there could be a 1080p 40fps mode with RT and ultra settings. It would work well since 120hz/3= 40 so there would be even frame pacing, with the added beneffit that if there is a dropped frame, you wouldn't feel it nearly as much as if dropping from 30 to 20.

[@patrickang7739]

@@SalveMonesvol Ultra settings? Consoles? Are you on drugs? This game is on mostly low, mixed with some medium with some that appears to be lower than low that can't even be set on PC

[@SalveMonesvol]

@@patrickang7739 The question is: Why would a game not run at even 4k30 on an RTX 3090? Because if it can't do 1080p on ps5, it can't do 4k on 3090 either. Let that sink.

[@monkfishy6348]

@@SalveMonesvol My 3080 can do 4K max settings at 30fps. I don't play it like that, but I have tested it.

[@SalveMonesvol]

@@monkfishy6348 Then a Series X can do exactly the same @1440p. What they can't do well, is RT above 30fps.

[@AbrahamZX1]

They didn't mention that the PS5 file size is around 25Gbs, while it's 42Gbs on the Series consoles. That makes the similar loading time more impressive.

[@parazels83]

Very interesting information!

[@brucecarter6205]

All that tells me is that the Series X/S versions didn’t receive the same amount of time and optimization. Makes it even worse when you consider that it’s free on PS and $40 on Series consoles. Sad.

[@ghostthough7874]

It's not about optimization but rather how the Xbox Series S/X handles compression. PlayStation 5 can decompress and move data faster than the Xbox Series S/X because of the architectural improvements. So if the data is compressed as much on Xbox Series S/X as it is on the PlayStation 5 it would result in longer loading times and possible pop-in due to taking more time for the system to decompress the data.

[@melxb]

@@ghostthough7874 yeah odd even on another comparison channel they have ps5 load faster by a couple of seconds while here they say series s and x beat ps5 by a couple of seconds, so it seems to be random loading depending on location

[@vegan.douchebag]

@@brucecarter6205 The PS5 has better compression technology, and they just filed another patent to make compression even better by significantly shrinking file sizes without quality loss.

[@jeffnussbaum716]

"As if by fast travel" is the "As if by magic" for the 21st century.

[@diajonas2415]

This is the only game where I constantly switch between graphics and performance mode depending on the in-game situation.

[@rex41e]

Same. When roaming around I use Graphics, once I spot enemies though, I switch to performance.

[@slitherman7883]

@@rex41e would be weird for them to button toggle it

[@jakubmrozik7964]

@@slitherman7883 Lmfao

[@alphacompton]

I found myself doing that last night when I was playing. I'm terrible at aiming at 30fps so for bigger fights or a boss fight I switch to performance mode but otherwise graphic mode is beautiful. I played it originally on PC with RTX but I haven't played any of the expansions so I'm going to play everything on PS5 and Platinum the game.

[@BJizzle321]

Which is exactly why I think Devs should set a universal standard where the cutscenes run at 30, 4K, and Ray Traced to oblivion. Meanwhile the gameplay should naturally cutback, and run at 60. This gives all games a great visual-performance balance blend without need of player intervention. Basically in a way to go back to the PS1 FMV cutscene standard

[@TimtimGaming]

Firs time playing, PS5 graphics mode. The RT really brings the environment to life and draws me in, happy with the rock solid 30fps for this fidelity tbh....but the real winner is the use of the Dualsense, the feeling of your steps on different surfaces and trigger resistance, just awesome!

[@joeystanley6839]

Would've been awesome to have RT at 60fps at 1080 or something. Jarring to go from 60 to 30 in a fast paced game.

[@tastet5565]

It’s jarring in almost any game. As a lifelong console gamer I’m loving the 60fps. I don’t ever want to play at 30 again I don’t care what graphical improvements I forfeit

[@DanKaschel]

I'm not sure the 1st gen rt cores could handle it even at 1080p. The one example we have (spiderman) doesn't use rt very extensively.

[@MrStrictlyOLED]

@@tastet5565 OMG that’s exactlyyyyyyyyy how I feel playing 60 now I could never ever go back to 30 keep the day tracing with 30 I’ll take 60 all day everyday

[@gooddoc8129]

60fps or nothing 30 out

[@prcastro42]

Well I would think they could. I mean spiderman miles can to rt with 60fps. But I'm no expert.

[@TheBogologo]

Playing the whole game in graphics mode. Idgaf looks clean asl

[@sabus1265]

Jesse becomes director. Dylan dies. Idgaf

[@TheBogologo]

@@sabus1265 Jesse becomes director in the beginning of the game? How is that a spoiler? Are u actually mad that people play in graphics mode lmao.

[@transfo47]

Switching between the two, I can't do it. RT looks great but it's just too janky compared to 60FPS.

[@TheBogologo]

@@transfo47 my eyes get used to it but it is hard from time to time when I switch to performance mode and go back to graphics

[@Pandahhhhhhhh]

@@ArtwithBen shh let him have this. Life is rough atm for him

[@Realmasterorder]

Pretty good but when u played the 60fps going to 30 wont feel too nice,even if RT is impressive.

[@shreder75]

Agreed. It's cool, but RT isn't transformative enough to go from 60 to 30, imo

[@calebgao6931]

but you could take cool screenshots on rt mode tho

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

It only lasts few minutes before your brains adjust to change.

[@thorocomments]

Ehhhhhh... A consistent 30fps is fine

[@GameslordXY]

I would say that most people would get used to quickly. Like dozens of millions who enjoyed 30fps games on the last generation of consoles.

[@megablast]

Alex we need "The Division 2" next gen patch tech anaylsis and comparison with PC

[@TheGrillsVante]

Have Ubi released the patch?

[@Komodo_Dragon]

@@TheGrillsVante yes, smooth 60fps now.

[@megablast]

@@TheGrillsVante Yes. Yesteday released.

[@UwU-ik5ur]

finally, i can focus playing it again now

[@dockgamer973]

Well if this game control is anything to go by nothing special, the pc settings for control are all low to medium to cant even go that low on pc, thats not me saying that its in digital foundry last video about this game and the developers told them that. Next gen my ass.

[@Potato_n_Tomato]

Ray tracing is nice in a subtle way and when you look for it, but 60 fps is always a night and day difference in comparison to 30fps.

[@yadspi]

It's not subtle though.

[@NGuy-kz2eh]

@@yadspi it's subtle compared to 30 vs 60fps. Double the temporal resolution and increased responsiveness > shiny floors, especially in a game that involves aiming.

[@somethingdifferent9024]

@@NGuy-kz2eh This isn't Quake, 30fps is totally adequate for playing Control. RT brings more than reflections and really makes a scene far more natural looking.

[@DanKaschel]

It'll be different next generation when more mature rt hardware is available. These consoles can't do much rt as it is.

[@blessedred]

@@somethingdifferent9024 Naw, its not. I played it at 80+fps on PC. The improvement responsiveness looks and feels great.

[@ImFKIT]

fanboys are hilarious every platform is gonna have framedrops even 3000$ pc’s have framedrops

[@ttwinsturbo]

Yes have but this is the worst next gen patch, what i see on ps5 and xsx. What you get? Low,low, low, lower than low and medium setting on 1440p like one x (last gen console) even one x have some setting higher than ps5 😂😂 only one visible upgrade is 60 fps or RT but in 30 fps wtf??? Ps5 have gpu like rtx2070super but on this gpu in pc game run max setting in 1440p with 60 fps with the same drops like ps5 low,low,lower than low performance mod !!!!!

[@pcgameboy8407]

A $3000 PC wont have framedrops if you play at locked 60fps. If you have unlocked then yeah they will go up and down.

[@gtibro6799]

@@pcgameboy8407 imaging spending 3000$ on a pc lol kid check ur priorities there’s something seriously wrong with you ppl

[@pcgameboy8407]

@@gtibro6799 ?? I never said I spent 3000 on a PC. The OP said that. Lol You don't need a PC that expensive to play next gen games. The 3060 is more powerful than consoles and you can build a PC with that card under 1k. I cant imagine spending 3k on a PC.

[@SeiyaDLuffy]

@@ttwinsturbo also the Xbox One X was also running at 1440p native with temporal reconstruction, new consoles should be able to run it at native 4k on RT and 1800p native or 1440p with checkerboard(which looks better than Remedy's temporal reconstruction), also is not smart delivery and only the ones that bought the Ultimate Edition with the patch, shameless

[@iparz44z]

I was looking forward to this

[@sean7332]

I was looking forward to you looking forward to this

[@juicedchef2849]

@@sean7332 I was looking forward to you looking forward to this comment

[@iconofsin4578]

Thanks Bart

[@simulify8726]

@@juicedchef2849 I was looking forward to you for this reply which is looking forward to another reply of the comment which is looking forward to this video

[@nathanlunsford7110]

My powers have doubled since the last time we met Count

[@TigerChamp99]

Finally Tom is getting the high profile videos (after Cyberpunk on PS4)

[@lotusson]

So far I've been unimpressed with RT reflections. It's visually stunning but, IMO, isn't so stunning to warrant the FPS cost. I'd much rather play at 60 with any spare horse power reserved for SSR or HDR.

[@C4CH3S]

Rt power should be used in illumination personally.

[@rrrr2150]

different strokes for different folks i guess. i personally go with the best graphics possible. i only aim for higher fps in competitive online games

[@Coreymj91]

Wild you cant see it

[@float32]

I would rather have bigger and more complicated levels, physics, textures, and geometry.

[@kubabooba548]

You make a good point. I hope developers have implemented a system into their games to track how many people use ray tracing mode and how long they are playing while using that mode. RT is a nice feature to have, but at the expense of FPS, so it'll be interesting to see how many gamers chose FPS over RT. If RT isn't that popular, then developers can spend their time on something more important with their games.

[@jonimated]

Constantly impressed by what these new gen consoles are capable of, and very glad I was able to get a PS5 at launch.

[@karnliberated8891]

I agree and same!

[@brownchair2698]

Seeing that rt performance hurts though.

[@DanKaschel]

@@brownchair2698 yeah. It's too bad this generation launched with 1st gen rt cores. Another year and it might have actually made sense to use rt on consoles. I'm really hoping AMD's answer to DLSS can be made available to consoles. that would be a game changer, especially for the series s.

[@jonimated]

@@brownchair2698 it does but I’ve honestly come to terms with it. Many people don’t realize how crazy intensive it is to try and output something at 4K 60, with or without ray tracing. These consoles would have to be significantly more expensive to be able to handle that. I do hear you though. I have a 4K 120hz TV and I’m constantly switching between performance and quality mode with games that offer it. Seeing those crisp visuals and ray traced reflections is so nice, but the 60fps really shines in a game like Control. It’s tough to choose.

[@blair5475]

@@DanKaschel There is no AMD's answer to DLSS for consoles. Microsoft themselves are working on their own version of Machine Learning algorithm, while PlayStation don't want it and turned it down.

[@dtwistrewind7361]

The trigger tension on the ps5 is a nice touch

[@spenny2cents]

I see what you did there

[@runninginthe90s75]

It so nice that it makes adaptive triggers brokes easily, dualsense sucks

[@andrewz4515]

@@runninginthe90s75 Weird mine are still working perfectly.

[@sabriparlakyldz3994]

@@runninginthe90s75 mine works ferfect

[@tomlima4950]

Currently, the Ultimate Edition is almost unplayable on Xbox Series X. After you complete Mission 3 or so, the game crashes CONSTANTLY, like once every 15 minutes on Performance Mode (I haven't tested it on Graphics Mode). It's REALLY annoying. The crashes happen generally when you open the map or try to change a mod or equipped gun. People on Reddit have also been complaining about this issue. Neither DF or Remedy have spoken about this issue. People playing it on Xbox should avoid playing the Series X|S version until it is fully patched. Cyberpunk had its issues when it launched, but NOTHING like crashing the game every 15 minutes.

[@oleksandr.liakhevych]

Probably depends from case to case . I've completed the game on series x, and it crashed twice. Still not great, but not that critical.

[@tomlima4950]

@@oleksandr.liakhevych I wonder what’s going on, then. There are some topics on Reddit where people have the same complaints as I do. I was able to finish it and get all achievements an hour ago, but I avoided opening the game menu, because that’s what triggered my crashes. Maybe I had too much loot to handle? I don’t know.

[@Trai1b1aze]

I can confirm the crashes as an issue. Seem to be every 30-45mins for me after the first few missions, no particular trigger for them. Luckily I also have a PS5 so was able to switch to that version. 5hrs in and no crashes (also has haptic feedback on controller and auto-HDR enabled looks decent on quality mode)

[@elusive_mg]

@@oleksandr.liakhevych same here , i had like 3 crashes maybe but no problems, still going forward, i dont listen to that kind of people, maybe it is not working for ya but it works on my series x, when people will learn that not on every system bugs are appearing constantly, acting like they were born yesterday ffs

[@tomlima4950]

@@elusive_mg Hey, elusive, how are you doing? I hope you’re doing fine. I just wanted to warn people that the game that’s being charged AGAIN for those who bought in when it launched is not performing well. I think we should not give out our money to softhouses who clearly don’t respect their costumers and try to sell you something that is broken. Three crashes are still crashes. If you paid for the game, then an occasional crash is alright, but not every 15 minutes. My point is that people who have not bought it yet should be warned that their system could crash anytime till this game is patched. I’m really trying to help. If you don’t think my help is good for your case, just buy it anyways and keep having fun.

[@maheshmurali2697]

What a day for ps5. Control ultimate edition, God of war performance mode and destruction all stars.

[@omarhuber70]

What a lovely day!! (MAD MAX)

[@marcusmoore4819]

Yep PS5 is kicking Series X ass so hard lol

[@CMOA1621996]

@@marcusmoore4819 how? Both consoles are underperforming multiplat games and have like 2-3 exklusives yet. It will take atleast 1 more year for these consoles to show what they really can.

[@MisticDW]

Yaaaaay old games! This has been the weakest new console launches in history

[@marcusmoore4819]

@@CMOA1621996 Damn you Xbots can’t spell lol

[@THER1PP3RM4N]

When i started getting into Gaming KZbin, i’d skim through these videos just to make sure a game wasnt unplayable. Now i watch every episode posted even if i’ve already been playing the game being discussed 😂

[@psychomantis8007]

I was pretty similar. Now I just like watching these breakdowns for the fun of it and the info

[@shreder75]

Ray tracing is cool, but not enough to get me to switch from performance mode. Playing for the first time on series x, and buttery smooth perfomance mode is awesome. Trippy, fun game.

[@GameslordXY]

You can always do 2nd playthrough in Graphics mode

[@KontryBoy706]

60fps over 30fps ray tracing any day.

[@o_KingOfKings_o]

Nahh for camping games i prefer beauty

[@kaleidoskope4314]

Definitely. You won't have time to examine the realistic reflections on the coffee mugs and desktops because you'll be too busy smashing all to pieces.

[@KontryBoy706]

@@kaleidoskope4314 exactly. There’s lots of action on screen, particles, throwing things, turning the camera often. This is my first time playing control. I skipped it last gen because I didn’t want to play at 30fps. I tried graphics mode after about 2 hours of performance mode... I can’t do it lol. I don’t care how much nicer it looks lol.

[@kaleidoskope4314]

@@KontryBoy706 Well enjoy it my friend it's a great game and at 60 fps should be sublime. I've already played it on PC but may play through it again now.

[@a.s.cirillo6785]

Same

[@mandarinmanus]

In 17 minutes, I might have something meaningful to comment on this video. Will get back to you. Edit: still nothing, though I gotta say 60 fps with or without ray-tracing is an excellent way to breathe new life into last-gen games; I hope the trend continues.

[@ampadicr5366]

Summary : both series X and ps5 have great performance but Xbox series X stutters more and need to be fixed

[@Jonadawong]

Let me take a break from playfully bashing the Series X and say that it seems like even with the stutters most people wont notice this and the game plays great on both XBSX and PS5.

[@acevedoaandres]

Vrr

[@toxiccylon]

@@acevedoaandres vrr sets won't even see it hence why I have one

[@miroslavmihajlovic802]

It seems xbox series x can be lucky if it can match the performance of the ps5

[@brucecarter6205]

@@miroslavmihajlovic802, 🤦‍♂️

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

I was extremely excited to hear this was free with plus. Love the ps5 dual sense features.

[@sean7332]

Kinda impressive its free on ps plus.. games with gold could learn a thing or two

[@mrping4091]

@@sean7332 its on gamepass

[@ThanosDidTheRightThing]

@@mrping4091 That’s the last gen version LOL

[@carolinagamer2874]

@@mrping4091 The base game is on gamepass not this version. Xbox gamers will need to buy it.

[@Dev-nr4dw]

@@sean7332 Ps plus could learn to have 1000s of quality games like on Gamepass.

[@ChileanSpartanUSA]

I just played a little bit of control on my ps5 and the trigger when you shoot your gun is unbelievable. It feels amazing with that little resistance at the end of the shot.

[@TheRealist1.]

More annoying than amazing. It sounds good, but I could do without it. Haptics are better than centrifugal vibration though.

[@xaviermalcolm8481]

@@TheRealist1. You can turn it off, so having the option to use it or not can only be viewed as a positive here.

[@fightnight14]

Yes good for single player experience but unnecessary for multiplayer

[@TheRealist1.]

@@xaviermalcolm8481 I said how I felt... Locking triggers are unnecessary, but I like the haptics. Tried Destruction all-stars and it's okay on that game, but it's not a big deal if I didn't have it. I thought my kid would be blown away with it.

[@lfcobrikom5612]

I turned off haptics and adaptive triggers a few minutes after trying Astro Bots. Bloody annoying battery killing feature

[@steerj07]

Playing my first run in 30fps on my XSX, but have switched off film grain and motion blur. Absolutely love it. Second run will be a 60fps run just so I experience both.

[@mikepayns9586]

I hate those 2 settings. First thing I check for when booting up a game for the first time, disable those mfs off

[@o_KingOfKings_o]

Yup same here with the ps5 all my games I turn those off

[@clismangenuino6880]

@MTF_Savage_Beasts i doubt you run at Native 4k without dlss enabled so stop with your master racer things, this is a consoles comparison

[@Totone56]

@MTF_Savage_Beasts Consoles don't have DLSS, this is an Nvidia tech ...

[@pixelslaughter3492]

Turning those off makes it look very video gamey and exposes more flaws. I'm always baffled at how many people turn these features off which improve the look of the game.

[@Wifixsmasher448]

The best thing about this game is that on ps5 the kraken decompression drastically decreases the file size .

[@alexperez1519]

And it's free on ps5!

[@Wifixsmasher448]

@@alexperez1519 thats another bonus.

[@ZiroDeagle]

@@wizzenberry 27

[@kaleidoskope4314]

I have Control Ultimate on Steam but it's at 40 gig. Compressed to 27 gig, that's quite impressive. I know the game files aren't directly comparable on a 1 to 1 scale but still that's pretty good.

[@Wifixsmasher448]

@eel3161 the revolution tech was not just a faster ssd but incredibly fast IO throughput. You will probably see that tech in ratchet and clank. Its not far, you just have to be more patient

[@37654]

I love Tom, the most underrated member of DF

[@parazels83]

John Linnemann is the best!

[@jackbrabham]

He's great! And Alex is the most overrated and partisan

[@robertace57]

@@parazels83 Linnemann WAS the best. Before his Sony’s licking madness started.

[@shakshaka8355]

I like tom more that alex!!

[@shakshaka8355]

What happened to the tools of the xbox that it will outperform ps5 massively!!

[@aideyp7333]

I'm looking forward to playing Control. It looks very good on current generation consoles. It's just nice to see 60fps games on consoles again!

[@battfinkz]

Don't be disappointed, they are far too negative on the xbox, I've played it for hours at 60fps and it plays superb

[@kobeandgary]

We had 60fps games last gen lol...

[@battfinkz]

@@kobeandgary so did we. Also, doesn't upgrading your pc to run a game make it a new gen?

[@kobeandgary]

@@battfinkz the fuck?

[@kobeandgary]

@@battfinkz and who the fuck is we? 😂

[@Turniplord]

You say you won’t feel the PS5 drops with a VRR display. I played through Control and grabbed all the trophies pre-launch on the PS5 in 60fps and I didn’t feel any drops. The only reason you knew there were any is because you analysed the footage. You literally can’t feel the 1 second dips of 1-3fps (which happen very rarely)

[@riceeater79]

Damage control for PS5 superior version while glossing over Xbox Series X dropping to 45fps, 10 frames below the lowest point of PS5 performance in this game.

[@ttwinsturbo]

@@riceeater79 this is the worst next gen patch, what i see on ps5 and xsx. What you get? Low,low, low, lower than low and medium setting on 1440p like one x (last gen console) even one x have some setting higher than ps5 and xsx😂😂 only one visible upgrade is 60 fps or RT but in 30 fps wtf??? Ps5 and xsx have gpu like rtx2070super but on this gpu in pc game run max setting in 1440p with 60 fps with the same drops like ps5 low,low,lower than low performance and quality mod !!!!!

[@themercifulguard3971]

@@ttwinsturbo I think the devs are to blame for this one.

[@user-fm8xs3hr3w]

@@riceeater79 Xbox always renders at higher resolution. And this is still a cross gen game comparison. Not too bright, are you

[@riceeater79]

@@user-fm8xs3hr3w lol maybe you should join everyone in the present. This isn't prelaunch spec sheet talk anymore buddy. None of what you're saying had materialized unless by *always* you're ONLY referring to Hitman 3 lol

[@gameskyjumper1721]

I am surprised that Series S manages to run this game with great fidelity at 60 fps. Great job!

[@aemilianusmartinus5472]

At 900p. Lol.

[@lastventure8377]

At £250 not bad going series S 👍

[@RedHaloManiac95]

@@lastventure8377 really. It’s Nintendo switch or series s. Switch is fun in bursts but fails to keep me immersed for hours. They’re more of “mini games” to me

[@lucariotrainer16]

@@aemilianusmartinus5472 Why does it matter if its at 900p when most computer monitors people use are 1080p with high refresh rates as 1440p and above monitors are extremely overpriced and 4k ones don't make a big difference compared to 1440p

[@Strugglebaddy616]

@@aemilianusmartinus5472 Doesn't look unplayable at 900p.

[@Astralmess]

I survived this game on PS4 Slim. Playing this on PS5 finally delivers the full experience. This game wasn't meant for last gen.

[@Kira-qc4qi]

Still quite a ways to go for the full experience.

[@glorious240fps6]

@@Kira-qc4qi such as?

[@Kira-qc4qi]

@@glorious240fps6 it uses low raterization settings across the board and only a small selection of ray tracing features. Not starting a pc master race thing here but it's just a fact that Control is capable of looking and playing drastically better on PC than it does on the new consoles.

[@glorious240fps6]

@@Kira-qc4qi a 1 year+ old last gen game that got splattered with RT on top of already unoptimized console port isn't really the new consoles' fault tbh. Remedy games are known for their broken games and lack of talent for optimization. This is just a lazy update for cashgrab. It's only worthy on ps5 bcz of being free on ps+. Otherwise i woudn't even waste a dime on this broken half baked port.

[@Uptown8ighty8ight]

@@Kira-qc4qi the pc version with all the bells and whistles doesn’t compare to the new god of war patch!!!

[@musty8748]

Gotta love the haptic feedback

[@sean7332]

Have you tried it in multiplayer games as I turn off vibration in online games

[@andrespp174]

The haptics feel very nicee

[@Astralmess]

Yeah, instantly noticed them as well. A really pleasant surprise that sadly wasn't mentioned in the video.

[@fluffymyato3334]

how about the adaptive triggers? is it there?

[@jlmurph2]

The triggers felt kind of annoying to me. Like it was way too much resistance. When I'm supposed to be able to rapid fire the pistol.

[@sheppo]

Is this another case of there being an unintended inefficiency in the Xbox GDK? Painful to see, as a series X owner. I am hoping this can be fixed as it appears fairly consistently across games so far.

[@zakixbox]

It's clear now that MS guys did something wrong with the hardware! 90% of games run better on ps5. I think the 2,23 GHz are paying. Running 36 CU at 2,23 is more efficient than 52 at 1.825. Add to this the superior ssd and decompression solution on ps5.

[@mazzalean077]

@@zakixbox The Ssd isn't 2x faster though.. most the time it's not even 10%.

[@alexperez1519]

@@mazzalean077 wrong your only seen it as a loading tool, but the ps5s SSD is also used as fast VIRTUAL RAM and its unified giving this performance bust over the more powerful XSX! Mark cerny talked about it, and people laughed at him, well I think he got the last laugh!

[@n0haa]

​@@zakixbox Maybe it's the hardware. Time will tell. Especially when it comes to frames per second (Performance Mode) against visuals (Graphic Mode) the higher clock speed makes a difference and Ps5 is able to perform better. But on the other hand the graphic mode theoretically should perform better on the Series X (~40% more CU's and RT power ... in theory). Maybe it's still a lack of proper development tools or maybe the optimizing is not done well. Maybe the game was updated to the new generation consoles by having the PS5 in focus and then it was ported to the Xbox consoles (because on a first look a lot of the hardware is equal) but without taking care of the specific hardware properties of the Series X. It's only a guess but might be true because it's cheaper for the developer to update a game of the old generation mainly on on of the consoles and then porting it to the other console as their hardware is very similar this generation. A lot of "maybe"s and a lot of guessing. I'm neither a fanboy of the Playstation nor of the Series X but I try to be open minded and see the (technical) facts. People also point out the Kraken Compression on the Playstation and this one is definitely a big thing but on the other hand Microsoft has something similar available on the Series consoles (not exactly the same as their algorithm works different and focuses on textures). Well what i want to say .. the file size shouldn't vary that much as it currently does. This again leads to the guess that the game was not yet optimized on the Series X as good as it maybe was for the PS5. Maybe because the Developer-Kits still are a mess. I don't know. We will see. But definitley both consoles doing a great job and this generation (for me) is much more interesting and has a higher impact than last generation consoles.

[@TRX25EX]

@@zakixbox not really, 90% at launch but now most of games run better SeriesX some guys did follow up and pointed that, just because you didnt check follow ups dont make up your own conclusion

[@ericcarlton87]

Love your reviews, you guys do a really fantastic job of laying everything out there. Actually, just finished your Elden Ring performance review, very well done.

[@Rafael-oo8wh]

Normally I choose FPS over Ray-tracing and pixels any day of the week, but I feel like the ambience and lighting of this game really benefits from Ray-tracing. But the gameplay also benefits a lot from the frame rate. I actually quite torn. I'm willing to settle for 30FPS now since it's practically locked. On the base PS4, playing in the low 20's was painful. So far, I'm slightly leaning toward Ray-tracing, but if the find a way to do what Insomniac did with Spiderman, I will have my cake and eat it, too.

[@eduardocampos-vr1wj]

Play on PC with ray-tracing and high fps. Gg.

[@jd5507]

@@eduardocampos-vr1wjtime to put my 4080 to work

[@eliteshergio7375]

Another game that confirms to me, a 1440p 144Hz freesync monitor is more than enough to enjoy next gen

[@tangentciel]

yes, exactly, and the price will be lower

[@sean7332]

Seems 1440p 60fps will be the best of both worlds for this gen

[@eliteshergio7375]

@@sean7332 and can even play at 120fps in multiplayer games

[@LouRaX]

its the perfect choice for xbox series x but for ps5 the 4k 120hz monitor would be better since there is no support for 1440p

[@eliteshergio7375]

@@LouRaX hope PS5 get the support for 1440p too. Most 1440p monitors can receive 4k signal (mine can), the problem starts when you want to play at 120fps, need to select 1080p to do that. On Xbox is possible to play 1440p 120fps at the same time, thnks to the monitor support.

[@Vamavid]

But Rich from ReviewTechUSA said that the Series S will be more powerful than PS5 because is has 120fps and ray tracing! 🤣 That said, Series S runs the game very well. Great job, Remedy!

[@sqeaky6921]

Let's get into it

[@muhithkalam9551]

That moron flip flops from downplaying every console to push his PC "master race" agenda.

[@ricepony33]

Anyone notice the Series machines seem to have a consistent stutter issue across multiple titles?

[@kennyk9652]

They coming with the tools excuse or it's the devs fault

[@Nerift]

There's a bottleneck somewhere because this seems to happen over a few games

[@GODEYE270115]

@@kennyk9652 was this issue present in the latest Hitman comparison?

[@Finsta1966]

@@GODEYE270115 no hitman on the x is the best version between the two

[@Finsta1966]

@@kennyk9652 not an excuse the truth

[@thewanderingartists]

Got this on PS plus now waiting to grab a PS5 if it ever shows up at mrp.

[@LouRaX]

i just gave up on that and payed 760€ but i got 600€ for my series X i got preordert :D

[@thewanderingartists]

@@LouRaX in India it launched today instead of November 2020 and out of stock in less than 2 minutes xD

[@drewtube6838]

PS5 will be around until at least 2027, You have time.

[@navasheen8964]

hey, can we play the control we get from ps plus on ps4?

[@ben10trillion]

@@navasheen8964 nope

[@evxlve8851]

I really thought the Series X would be dominating in majority of these benchmarks but wow, Sony & Cerny really knew what they were talking about when they said teraflops is not everything

[@americafirst.6554]

Yeah its very interesting i got the series x myself but im begining to think that third party developers will pick ps5 as the lead console to develope for and then port to xsx due to the fact that ps5 uses upgraded ps4 development tools therefore familiar territory and if thats the case its a shame that xbox wont be properly pushed outside of first party developers.

[@xBINARYGODx]

both of you are being stupid - did you think or feel the same when a One and ps4 game were the same, or whatever when that happened the gen before?

[@americafirst.6554]

@Jason Yuen listen little kid...theres a big difference in beign stupid and having valid points or observations.Last gen ps4 was clearly the best performing machine from the get go until xbox one x. I prefer xbox over playstation i can tell you that much.Regarding Phil spencers "lies"...he didnt lie about the capabilities if the box its just devs are not pushing it and thats a fact as if right now...be an xbox fan not an xbot.

[@americafirst.6554]

@Jason Yuen too bad you started with a good observation just to realize it was an ill intention comment...little fan boy.

[@Cedjrthegamer]

@@americafirst.6554 haha whatever helps you sleep at night 🤣

[@SKnight45]

AMD needs to release their damn DLSS equivalent. RT is too damn taxing on consoles.

[@certified6342]

RT is too damn taxing on RDNA2...

[@brownchair2698]

Don't expect it to match dlss in performance at all. I expect it to either look only a little better than temporal updsampling. Or only grant a little more performance

[@yoyo-nf1ww]

thank you for the deep analysis, guys. cheers

[@duncanself5111]

The PlayStation 5 file size being 42% smaller than the Series X is a pretty big advantage going forward for Sony. Now they really need to sort out the expandable storage options ASAP

[@winning2273]

Not tryna be rude or anything but ps needs that bc of the low storage amount hopefully they can do this later with other games

[@pixelbitg9386]

Agreed. But it seems like this dev didn't use bcpack on Xbox for some reason. Should not be that big. Interesting that the load times are somehow better on xbox

[@duncanself5111]

@@pixelbitg9386 but the performance, frame pacing and stutter is worse on xbox too...

[@milk6765]

@@duncanself5111 no only the stuttering everything else is the same

[@duncanself5111]

@@milk6765 they said there's bigger drops on the Series X, like when text pops up on screen, I think I saw it drop down to the mid 40s at one point and frame pacing issues too, plus it takes 42% more space on your ssd if you have the xbox version... And there's Dual Sense implementation apparently

[@supocarta74]

Gone are the days when we were happy with golden eye performance...

[@Retro_Gamer_89]

I was playing it yesterday on my Xbox Series X through Retro Arch 💪

[@HotShot845]

Golden eye? That is too young, super Mario bros 2 was really good against SMB1, the 3rd was even better and that had the size of a 5'25 floppy disk, the full 360kb game

[@HotShot845]

@Long Pham in 1985 there wasn't HD evne and the games still looked good, everyone thinks 4k and.other shit matters so much, if that is the worst in a life to complain about, that is real lucky in life then

[@HotShot845]

@Long Pham that new stuff always isn't better, same as 4k60, everything now has to be that new standard for some reason

[@Tim....]

Damn the PS5 is a beast. For a console it's really impressive..and that for 399$, amazing!

[@jeantaylor9734]

U wish it was the series is more powerful 🤣🤣

[@carolinagamer2874]

Yeah the price and performance of these new consoles is amazing

[@Tim....]

@@jeantaylor9734 Cool...I'll still stick to my PS5😉

[@alexperez1519]

@@jeantaylor9734 u wish the XSX had the better performance like the ps5!😂😂😂 the tools are coming!🤷‍♂️⚒🛠

[@JB_inks]

@@jeantaylor9734 yes, let's upgrade to the console that runs slower in most games and stutters

[@aeolussvichi7680]

Is it me or is it when theres some issue on the xsx, its always explained away by saying it must be some glitch or bug, but when the issie is on the ps5 its oh well it's the weaker console so its expected or something to that effect lol. If these issues are appearing predominantly on the xsx, and across multiple kinds of games, isnt it reasonable to think or even say that it's a hardware issue than all those games having the same bugs causing these issues? Just an observation I noticed on this channel.

[@certified6342]

Yeah your not the only one, multiple people have said the same. When it's playstation it's a hardware issue, when it's Xbox it's a tools or needs a patch, proper bias.

[@bmdshred77]

Because it’s true. Ps5 is weaker than Xbox.

[@aeolussvichi7680]

@@bmdshred77 tflops, aren't the only thing that determines what console is best or better. So you truly believe that every time the xsx version of a 3rd party game has a shortcoming that it's a glitch or bug, but not when it's the same on ps5. Goddamn, talk about a double standard. You and they act like the kid on a playground whenever something dont go their way that must mean there was some unfairness happening because theres no way you could possibly be beaten, right? Listen, a game running better on one than the other doesnt have to do with just how powerful a console is. This gen so far should be proof of that. A game running better on the ps5 doesnt make the ps5 more powerful. It just makes it better for that game. And when a game runs worse on the xsx, doesnt make the xsx any less powerful, it just makes it the worse place to play that game of the two. Simple as that. You, and others, need to accept that the xsx will lose to the ps5 sometime and it doesnt mean there was a glitch or bug. It just means it got beat. As is evident so far.

[@Rob-qn8ed]

Also read the PS5 version takes up 27gb storage vs 42gb for XSX.

[@Ytnzy250]

Nah, lies G.

[@XxSupernatural21xX]

@@Ytnzy250 It's 100% percent true. I downloaded the game yesterday at 25gn

[@Ytnzy250]

@@XxSupernatural21xX K. 👍

[@spenny2cents]

It’s called Kraken compression. Google it

[@justspaztik]

I'm not crazy about the dithering look in certain reflections/ssao

[@parwitch]

Too bad, none of them have option for 1080p + 60fps + Raytracing.

[@purefoldnz3070]

currently playing this at over 100fps with full ray tracing. Forget PS5 just get a PC instead.

[@Annoh89]

​@@purefoldnz3070 Sure, you can always just build a pc that outperforms a ps5, but the graphic's card alone would be twice the price of an entire ps5, if not more.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@Annoh89 with the amount of money resellers are trying to charge for a PS5 its close to a PC anyway. Why not invest in something better that can last longer and is upgradable?

[@Rob0917]

So happy I got this for XB series X 👊🏻

[@RepublicofODLUM]

There were huge stuttering on the sx/ss versions though, still havent fixed it either. PS5 was more stable in 60fps mode which lets be honest, is the way to play this game.

[@TheDecisionsDecision]

@@RepublicofODLUM Been patched on series x

[@RepublicofODLUM]

@@TheDecisionsDecision patches on ps5 as well so both versions are better now, awesome that Remedy is still working on it.

[@gabrielortiz7284]

@@RepublicofODLUM stop being a fanboy

[@RepublicofODLUM]

@@gabrielortiz7284 Ok, sorry. I love my series s, for the record. Quick resume is a revelation and the ori games are probably my favorite platformers ever. ✌

[@rubenssz]

DF, what about the Dualsense controller? And the audio?

[@Corxso]

I’d still rather have 60fps

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

Yeah same, 60fps or higher.

[@Roland2617]

I'd rather have a Genshin Impact analysis

[@DragonoftheDarknessFlame]

@@Roland2617 It's locked 60. Only time it drops is when you kill a giant Hilichurls. Only reason it drops because it seems like a bug and it will drop frames every single time you kill one

[@Fastwalker27]

@@Roland2617 A what ?

[@stuartbagley2586]

Having tried both modes last night, I’ll definitely be playing in 60 FPS.

[@MattX28025]

Ray tracing is pretty, but 60fps makes this game so much better. I can't go back to 30fps.

[@DuckAlertBeats]

Yeah it's like playing a broken game in comparison

[@alandiegovillalobos]

Will try 60. Currently with RT. Just admiring the game

[@sharinglungs3226]

This will be a good video to watch two years from now when anyone could walk into any store and buy one of these consoles.

[@fernando_alfradique]

I mean, who would sacrifice buttery-smooth motion at 60 fps for... reflections?!!

[@random_n]

Control is a bit of an outlier in the large expanses of time between combat and a design with easily a third of surfaces being highly glossy. It's as much an architectural sightseeing tour of the Oldest House as it is a shooter. The setting is a core character in Control. RT effects help bring it to life.

[@shredderSupreme91]

Graphics enthusiasts.

[@sxymthrfcr]

your casual gamer who takes a year to finish 1 game

[@MisticDW]

Graphics enthusiasts then you would have a PC and not have to choose between 30RT and 60FPS

[@TheBogologo]

I would

[@hotdogcrisis]

It's probably still a little too early to call it, but there have been a fair amount of games come out running better on the PS5 than Xbox Series X. I'm not trying to start a console fan boy war, but given how Microsoft marketed the Series X as the most powerful console on the planet, it's all just a little curious. I look forward to more analysis as more software comes out to test on the two systems. Great job DF!!

[@madezra64]

I'm a PS5 guy but even I will admit it's still to early to call it. I mean it's only been 3 months man. Gonna take a couple years to see both devs get comfortable with the hardware. Not saying it's gonna take them that long to get good, it's just gonna take that long for us to start seeing the differences. Be patient. Be a gamer and be happy for both sides. I'm getting a Series X so I'll have both and then I can laugh at the console war and sip wine.

[@brownchair2698]

@@madezra64 Don't forget pc too. Then you can be an elitist while it happens. /s

[@JP-fr6by]

All the games that outperformed were old and early in the gen, most new games lerfrom significantly better on xsx like hitman 3

[@madezra64]

@@JP-fr6by What are you talking about signfigantly? It doesn't even remotely run significantly better. In fact, the PS5 version has a better performance profile then the SX version of Hitman 3. Hitman 3 has a whole level drop to 45 FPS many times. Furthermore, most newer games have proven to run better on the PS5. This is coming from all of DF's videos too.

[@ejs3589]

@@madezra64 That 45 fps drops just happens in ONE level at a SPECIFIC area of that level. The game last around 8-10 hrs. If thats your judgment to say that hitman 3 runs better on PS5 vs Xbox, you are just a fanboy trying to hold on to a dying narrative lmao. Its quite sad and pathetic actually.

[@luisramirez-or5vg]

I'm waiting for that Enchanced God of War video

[@xGeoThumbs]

It's going to be rather boring. It's a rock solid 60fps.

[@DirEnGay]

@@xGeoThumbs It's still fun watching Digital Foundry praise a job well done as much as it is seeing them report on issues. They would likely find things that most of us miss in a regular playthrough anyway.

[@xGeoThumbs]

@@DirEnGay Oh yeah absolutely, I agree with that.

[@djg3906]

@@xGeoThumbs same

[@gadzhi9843]

Enchanted + enhanced = Enchanced

[@Komagb]

Don't forget that we can enjoy VRR on XSX, feels like perfect 60fps, and the stutters apparently are "in-between" areas, thus not a big deal.

[@glenmcl]

I agree. Runs perfect on my XSX and LG CX. I know everyone does not have this but you get what you pay for. Invest in a VRR capable display.

[@steelers43paul28]

still bad to see this because it just shows how developing on the xsx is hard compared to ps5. like it’s not the consoles fault but more like the tools that developers get from microsoft

[@spenny2cents]

Lol or get a PS5 and not worry about useless features meant for people okay with lesser performance

[@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven]

In the world of Ray-Tracing every floor in the world have been buffed to a mirror polish and got a double coat of turtle wax. Even when its in a post-apocalyptic world where all of the janitors are dead.

[@Phyrrax]

Thats my biggest problem with ray tracing. Often it just means, lets just make everything way too shiny.

[@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven]

@@Phyrrax Yeah and the reason why everything ends up so shiny is on account moat studio don't program different surface typed into the RTX AI. Meaning most thing is seen as eirher clean glass or a polished wood floor even thou it might be a mat black rock.

[@patrickthewolf840]

I think the haptic feedback on the PS5 version makes it the version to get if you have both systems like I do, besides it is free this month with PS+ so you can't go wrong. .. Now Remedy...get to work and give us Alan Wake 2!!!

[@DrezzyEFTP]

Or another Max Payne. Or remake the previous max paynes

[@cinematicpassages8884]

GOD i miss Alan Wake. Make it happen Remedy!!!

[@patrickthewolf840]

@@DrezzyEFTP sadly they don't own Max Payne anymore that's owned by Rockstar Games.

[@DrezzyEFTP]

@@patrickthewolf840 "apologize for my outburst" - uncle ruckus

[@colinparks619]

Have it on rtx 3080 pc, brilliant game As it's free on ps5..... I'll grab that!

[@narasimhaperumal2887]

@Salt Maker ha ha

[@fugitive6549]

free?

[@Manas_Choudhary]

@@fugitive6549 If you have PS Plus, it's free this month.

[@turrican4d599]

Why would you play the poor PS5 version with all its LOW settings?!

[@mrpiratefox4497]

@@turrican4d599 why not??

[@Kage5868]

Keep this stuff going guys it so much fun

[@maxminy5634]

I know DF mainly focuses on frame rates / resolutions but they need to point out some other important info. This game uses the haptics and triggers on th dualsense. But the other major thing is the version is almost 45 percent smaller on the ps5 at 25.79 Gb, compared to the series x and PC versions. Interest to see DFs take on that from a technical standpoint

[@paul1979uk2000]

I wonder why it's so much smaller on the PS5, I can understand the PC version being bigger because of the extra visuals but the Xbox Series X is more or less the same as the PS5, mind you to be fair, the PC tends to be smaller with games then consoles even thought it tends to look better.

[@Juicersen]

It’s the same size on XSX, X1X, and PC. They just didn’t use any compression on anything besides PlayStation

[@maxmaxneolit]

@@paul1979uk2000 PlayStation is more capable in terms of compression, both in terms of ratio of compression and how fast they can decompress from that ssd.

[@titntin5178]

@@paul1979uk2000 they used a hardware compression tool which is part of ps5s feature set, but not built into other platforms. This is a likely trend we will see much more as developers start to get to grips with the new tools at their disposal.

[@zackariasevertson7733]

Why would anyone care about that shit when frame rate is literally the only important thing in a video game?

[@salemsaleh9577]

These frame drops on SX/SS are getting consistent with time, so it's obviously either an API level inconsistency, or the split memory configuration, and all those are things that will need more dev time and engine optimization. It's so obvious that PS5 just brute forces with ease and is easier to optimize for.

[@janrickraubenheimer5592]

@noob world just remember by that time they'll be even more comfortable with the ps5 "tools" as well 😅

[@Bishie87]

@@janrickraubenheimer5592 Yes, but there's still the hardware to consider.

[@salemsaleh9577]

@@janrickraubenheimer5592 The PS5 tools and API are the same ones they've been familiar with since the PS4. That was a main focus on PS5, to create a very development-friendly console. This is probably the first *new* console that the devs don't have to relearn and retool pipelines for. While XSX/S have new tools/API/and pipelines like every console before. The PS5 *slight* advantage in performance might continue, and it might not. I just hope that with time the XSX performs more consistently in the fps department. It shouldn't be like that on paper but obviously console are more than raw power.

[@janrickraubenheimer5592]

@@salemsaleh9577 I agree with that but Sony didn't implement new features like oodle and kraken that still has to be shown off, and the game is like 20 something gig on ps5 and 40 something gig on the xsx

[@salemsaleh9577]

@@janrickraubenheimer5592 I saw the post yesterday but without any evidence about the size on XSX. If this game was using kraken/oodle and got such impressive compression then it should load much faster than on XSX, which is not the case as they're almost the same load time according to DF's video.

[@arclightsama_]

You can feel her steps on the dualsense !!! Damn it !!! Dualsense just too epic

[@pixelslaughter3492]

This sounds incredibly annoying lol I usually have rumble turned off. Do the triggers have a special effect as well?

[@maxminy5634]

@@pixelslaughter3492 it has triggers too. But it has a good range of intensity. For a non competitive multiplayer game, this adds a lot to the single player experience. Well done.

[@arclightsama_]

@@pixelslaughter3492 absolutely not ! the dualsense haptic are way different from the dualshock , for me its a very interesting and innovative way to connect you with the games .it cannot be described you need to try it

[@draynged7869]

One last thing to note incase anyone was watching and wondering, and that is that the stutter issue has been dealt with!

[@sp0ttyskills834]

I was all in on Xbox Series X and it's fascinating seeing these breakdowns. I'll be picking up a PS5 once they are more easily available but I do hope they sort out what ever is going on with the Series X because on paper that console should not be underperforming .

[@Joker-fx6mh]

I didn’t see underperforming. I saw equal in the video. Y’all need to stop listening to fanboys because a stutter or two doesn’t make or break a game console 🙄

[@NAYIBXbox]

What underperform, you keep on believing Sony Foundry, that’s what they want, they should be ashamed behaving like kindergarten

[@BalkanGames]

@@Joker-fx6mh You're right, some stutters every now and then technically shouldn't be a dealbreaker. However, it still begs the question of why the Series X is experiencing stutters that shouldn't really be happening on this kind of hardware.

[@Ozzyozzysheesh]

@@Joker-fx6mh lol you saw equal? The series x was dipping every 15 seconds the ps5 version of this game is the most stable

[@sp0ttyskills834]

@@NAYIBXbox You are way off base with this one. I'll believe the tests they spent hours on vs the 5 minutes it took you to come up with this bullshit. You are wrong and you will never be right and it does not matter what you say.

[@elcourier]

damn... as an XSX owner I feel upset about this comparison. My tv supports VRR so I wouldn’t probably notice much, but still having an inferior version compared with the PS5 just screams carelessness, and either Remedy or Xbox (Phil) should explain this.. it sucks

[@TRX25EX]

Well explain this to yourself will you rather play a full version of the game or beta? Thats what SeriesX going through.... It has alot less development time in those games so its like Beta while PS5 more polished, most of games so far PS5 won at first when launched now SeriesX winning at them....... This explains the superior hardware is present

[@yoyo-nf1ww]

@@TRX25EX lol

[@Cosmycal]

Probably a combination of a rough dev kit on Xbox Series and a bug in the game that needs to be patched.

[@elcourier]

@@TRX25EX I’ve heard those theories as well. They make sense but were never confirmed or denied by Microsoft. I think we deserve a clear explanation from MS about why this is happening on a superior hardware (as they have sold it and promoted from even before we new much about the ps5) and when we should expect this type of performance issues to go away. Otherwise officially we can only conclude that Microsoft either lied or that they don’t care much about their console customers (ie this really only about gamepass now)

[@TRX25EX]

@@elcourier Why would they care? Experience wise its amazing it you cant even notice difference cause of VRR and majority of games will run better because of that, and once patched they will easily run better in every way......... So they dont need to explain anything they just said their hardware is newer and had less development time with games developers

[@tobydammit]

The update they just did for The Division 2 is also worth checking out

[@mattallred]

Seems they listened

[@WAffingFartz]

I'm so use to playing all games in fidelity mode, I'm sure I wouldn't even notice drops in performance mode.

[@gkork6]

Hi DF, at 11:12 you see that XsX Frame rate drops below 50FPS, and you had a shot changed. Why you didn't show or explain it? I would like to know how low it can go.

[@TeamJayniaK]

So the promise of the series x doing 4k 60 with full RT was a bit of a lie Microsoft?

[@SWINDLA87]

Kind of. It's a marketing technique they use but they can justify it with older gen games like Minecraft that it actually can run at 60fps in native 4k

[@evxlve8851]

Waiting for the tools , devs haven't got them yet lol

[@proassassin8473]

@@evxlve8851 LMAO. Damage control much. What tools are they missing. Allen Wrench,Hammer?

[@dmartinezdl]

The console can handle it, but developers are still learning, wait a couple of years.... it is not that Microsoft lie, it is development issues

[@one_up907]

@@proassassin8473 left handed screwdriver very hard to find

[@amnril]

Great video, informative as always, now I’ll wait for NXG to dive a bit deeper.

[@fwabble]

WHO?

[@Gavhouse]

I'd have thought when doing a deep analysis video of the differences between the consoles they would have mentioned that the PS5 game size is nearly half that of Xbox. I think this is the first example of a third party games utilising compression with the Kraken architecture and I thought personally it would of been worthy of note.

[@sleasy01]

Kraken sucks

[@megaman2099]

@@sleasy01 nop, but you do

[@sleasy01]

@@megaman2099 no I'm serious. It really does. Go compare it to other compression methods. It's bottom tier

[@megaman2099]

@@sleasy01 is not bottom tier, please leave a prove of that. And also if it is bottom tier that doesn't that is bad or sucks.

[@sleasy01]

@@megaman2099 do you know of any other compression technology???

[@littlegloom]

So, is there absolutely no way for us to move our saves over to the ps5 or series x? I got the ultimate edition just to play the dlc's, and I don't wanna beat the game again.

[@sean7332]

So you bought it without checking first?

[@littlegloom]

@@sean7332 You would assume that saves would carry over, just as you would assume that the graphics upgrade would be free.

[@stuartbagley2586]

Right. There was no mention that saves would not carry over. As far as I know, this is the only game that doesn’t carry over saves. I haven’t beaten the base game, but there are some annoying areas I’m not looking forward to replaying.

[@lomaxxbr]

Look at 9:39. The framerate drops to ~43 but the FPS counter on the upper right stays at 50FPS. Why DF?

[@OCtheman300]

We all know Df is a tool of microsoft he really trying to get paid by micro. Im sure they already r

[@ivanaviNiebla]

The intern is not paid enough

[@duketogo1300]

lol at the stupid MS payoff replies. The corner-counter is not updating as quickly as the graph, clearly. It looks like it's set to a static 1-second refresh. The dip didn't last long, and the counter refreshed during the recovery, at 50fps, not at the bottom of the dip, 43fps.

[@lomaxxbr]

@@duketogo1300 BS!! The counter shows tiny drops to 58 but ignores huge drops.

[@CV-lm7pv]

8:40 Microsoft promised us the most powerful console out of the box, and here we are still waiting for the Series X to at least catch up to PS5 🙄

[@KapitanKlaps]

So now last gen games matter?

[@CV-lm7pv]

@@KapitanKlaps Is they didn't then why are you watching this video?

[@numetal4304]

Wait Box series Wait lol

[@ViewtifulJae]

How do you handle games like this post launch when th get performance patches? Or updates? You guys should do KZbin shorts for those updates or normal videos. As I’m sure people would still be interested .

[@davidpelaez7176]

they addressed this one on their year one retrospective direct, all the stutters were fixed on series consoles, and series x has slight better performance overall than ps5

[@Crashed131963]

Imagine someone judging games like Jedi Survivor or Cyberpunk 2077 from a early game review? Those garbage releases run great now .

[@MauroSanna]

I though you guys would have mentioned the size of the game in GB for each console, given the incredibile 47% less weight on PS5 (thanks to the Kraken technology implementation on Sony's machine)?

[@jeantaylor9734]

Xbox have better compressions than the ps5

[@louieverrtorreon684]

@@jeantaylor9734 who told you that, Microsoft? everyone knows undoubtedly PS5 has miles better in terms of IO and compression, judging alone the speed is enough to make it easy to understand.

[@fendykurniawan3614]

@@jeantaylor9734 KEEP DREAMING LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

[@DualPurpose]

But but but but bcpak compat was supposed to be better....I tood those Xdoe that you have to objectively look into the tech. I told them game sizes would be smaller on PS5 due to the Proprietary patented ssd tech solution.

[@nitehawk-cg6jb]

It's probably why it loads like 3 seconds slower but I'll take 3 seconds over the storage space any day of the week

[@doxdox54]

is the RT same quality on ps5 and Xbox série X ? Thank you for yours reviews.

[@DualPurpose]

From.other reviews and looking at it it seems to me that PS5 has higher detail in raytracing, reflections, and graphics.

[@RahatAzim998]

Not only that, did you also know that the PS5 cooks your meals and cleans your dishes? Truly the power of the next gen SSD is unrivalled. Better luck next time Shitbox.

[@alexperez1519]

@@RahatAzim998 well seen how is shaming xbox so hard I will take your word for it!😂😂😂👍 Hey the tools are coming bro!🤷‍♂️⚒🛠

[@samclark3370]

@@DualPurpose Lol no it doesn't.

[@TRX25EX]

@@DualPurpose Dont lie it doesnt

[@lomaxxbr]

Look at 11:13. When the framerate was heading down to the 40's, DF cut the video. Why are you trying to make XSX look better, DF? Why?

[@mehrad1983]

Wait for VGTech video, he will expose DF

[@waynepancy3169]

Good eyes

[@w3r0ification]

This guys are Sony sissy boys too they always talk good about the ps5 or ps4 I don't think they try to hide nothing tbis guys duck ok Sony small Japanese pipi hard like ign you sissy boys can't accept any defeat from xbox accept is a more powerful console is no way the ps5 js gonna best it it us what it is

[@waynepancy3169]

@@w3r0ification can't understand what you wrote, you high or something?

[@w3r0ification]

@@waynepancy3169 is ok just keep on moving and try to learn how to read

[@ghulampirzada9983]

that sudden stutter is exactly what happens on my pc with no visible spike in either GPU or CPU usage weird

[@TheSnoozeFox]

Going from a Cyberpunk video to this is a world of difference, really hope people pick up Control, the oldest house is one of my fave settings in gaming. I always loved Brutalism and this captured that perfectly.

[@miroslavmihajlovic802]

I'm really disappointed with series x performance, it seems like, the console is hard to work with, for the devs. But it is what it is.

[@Plutoboy85]

Developers got the dev kits late as Microsoft waited on the RDNA2 chips.

[@fwabble]

Yet again it seems like the PS5 offers the better gaming experience - considering I purchased the XSX SPECIFICALLY for the extra power more likely to hold 60FPS - I will probably grab a PS5 lol

[@Cosmycal]

Yep, it is known that the dev kit for Xbox Series consoles is a bit rough yet, hope they'll fix it soon.

[@vegan.douchebag]

Yeah a lot of developers are describing the same issues mentioned in this video. I’ll be sticking with the PS5.

[@brucecarter6205]

They will patch it, like they did with all the previous enhanced games. The late dev kits definitely put them behind the 8 ball.

[@Orisha1990]

Why isn't the title of this one PS5 advantage over series X like the hitman one? Is it that rare that Series X winning one is so rare that it's only noteworthy then?

[@ms7b101]

To make xbots happy

[@spenny2cents]

Because Xbots would threaten DF’s lives on Twitter

[@rubenpat7]

Lower reflection details on ps5 :(

[@Cedjrthegamer]

@@rubenpat7 theres no evidence quit crying your Xbox lost once again next!

[@rubenpat7]

@@Cedjrthegamer Well, I suppose you have no eyes. Must be because you been crying all day :(

[@LordMauel]

I bought a PS5 expecting to have these next gen differences the other way arround. I really wonder what causes these better performances on PS5. Wouldn’t mind a video about researching that.

[@Handonforehead]

Maybe because ps5 is apparently easier to develop for?

[@Valhura77]

@@Handonforehead They had dev kits out earlier and more time to develop tools, it is really that simple,

[@Stanjara]

Higher clocks and unified memory cache inside APU

[@LordMauel]

@@Valhura77 that argument becomes less and less relevant with time. For launch that is very plausible but the farther we get from that, the more that additional time won’t matter. Also it is basically the same system, so there shouldn’t be that much more time needed. But in the end who knows, that’s why I’d love like a docu video or series about that.

[@kingmilwaukee890]

Bruh they had enough time by now to figure that out. It’s blogs with developers saying how easy it is to develop for the series x. It’s just inferior.

[@fwabble]

Haven't watched the video yet nor read comments - I just want to say thanks for the OUTSTANDING work you guys do, it means a lot and is extremely appreciated by people like myself who value performance and frame rate stability. Now, I am going to be watching this with my fingers crossed but I can smell the frame drops already... lol ;0; Thank you also hugely to the devs for the performance mode, I hope it strongly favours frame rate stability (which is the idea) and doesn't attempt to over reach.

[@fwabble]

And replying to myself because I do that.. Thank goodness they have gone for 1440p. The visual difference between 1440p and 4K is minimal at best unless you side by side 6 inches from a 65inch screen.... Yet the performance hit of 4K, vs 1440p is UTTERLY STAGGERING. it's a damn shame 4K is such a marketing tool, 1440p leaves headroom for an ASTOUNDING amount of graphical eye candy.. What do you think DF? You know I'm right! ;D

[@Batman-bh6vw]

Woot got my PS5 today. :)

[@legacyrxt7570]

congrats!

[@runninginthe90s75]

Who cares, PS5 is trash

[@lifesnotstill5003]

Mark Cerny is a genius! Well done for having him on the team Sony.

[@user-kh4mx6cn3s]

Lol 😂

[@jirengray6188]

.......Sony-breathes. Fans-wow....well done! Well done!

[@spenny2cents]

@@jirengray6188 haters gonna hate

[@jirengray6188]

@@spenny2cents not hating bruh it’s a fact

[@playnicegames]

Has anyone else notice a lot of pop in of items like cups and little things on the floor. Both PS5 and Xbox Series X are displaying this. It doesn’t happen on the original version of Control.

[@ttwinsturbo]

this is the worst next gen patch, what i see on ps5 and xsx. What you get? Low,low, low, lower than low and medium setting on 1440p like one x (last gen console) even one x have some setting higher than ps5 😂😂 only one visible upgrade is 60 fps or RT but in 30 fps wtf??? Ps5 have gpu like rtx2070super but on this gpu in pc game run max setting in 1440p with 60 fps with the same drops like ps5 low,low,lower than low performance mod !!!!!

[@playnicegames]

@@ttwinsturbo I honestly prefer playing the older version vs the new ones because of the pop ups. That is by far more immersion breaking vs not having Ray Tracing or 30 vs 60fps.