Halo Infinite Gameplay Trailer Analysis: Are The Graphics Really 'Flat'...?

The reaction to the Halo Infinite gameplay reveal has been mixed. Gameplay looks great, but there's been lots of criticism of the 'flat' graphics. So what's really going on? In addition to moving to an open world, Halo has transitioned to a dynamic lighting system - this opens up a wealth of opportunities but it also has drawbacks.
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[@juansolo8190]

The sad part is that every artist on that game is painfully aware of these issues. There is gonna be a whole lot of I-told-you-so in their office come Monday morning.

[@bearwynn]

This is generally the case for many underwhelming games unfortunately

[@kingzgaming3467]

Feel like the game will look way better at launch

[@juansolo8190]

I really hope so, but such making major changes this deep into production will be hard to impossible. The teaser trailer though had me hooked and I am hoping for the best.

[@riahisama]

@@juansolo8190 changes in the lighting isnt a major change

[@craigkingdon4424]

@@juansolo8190 not that major. This version doesn't have ray tracing either

[@Pass91]

I'm missing the wind. Trees and grass is not moving at all. It feels sterile, not living. If you have a look at Witcher 3 gameplay, you understand what I mean.

[@renesevriens9965]

Pass91 Better....look at Ghost of Tsushima gameplay, thats a better example😉

[@Pass91]

@@renesevriens9965 I think it's an equal example. 😉

[@LBenjamin]

There's not even mud tracks or tire tracks when he was driving.

[@mkurt3641]

You know theres other games than the witcher 3? Its 5 years old and even had a downgrade before its release.

[@Pass91]

@@mkurt3641 yes, I know that there are other games than witcher 3. I haven't been living under a rock in the last five years. Witcher 3 is the first example which came to mind and which brings my point across. Ghost of Tsushima is a newer example, if you like that more.

[@Agoonga]

This guy must see the world like Neo in the Matrix

[@Mr.Honest247]

Nah.

[@oscarmike1131]

Good weed will do that

[@thetoxicappletta1624]

@@webbie7503 brings a whole different meaning of " global illumination" ahahah

[@pxrxy]

@@thetoxicappletta1624 Unreal Engine 5 giving us hints with their _T R I A N G L E S_

[@lostalx]

Man Ambient Occlusion is not there simple thing, they didn't have to go this depth to explain everything is because of lighting. The damned issue is purely related to art style too, it's horrible art is causing such dated look. Look at PS4's Killzone Shadowfall to me it looks better than any PS4 title, Ghost of Tsushima looks stunning because of that. Halo 5 from XB1 looks stunning in art form (only) vs this game. This game looks like a DOA due to 343i's brain drain.

[@rileyvanderlip6190]

I always thought it was kind of self-defeating to build the most powerful gaming console of all time just to hold yourself back by ensuring the new games can still be played on last gen.

[@JrsFTW]

Yeah, but that makes the next gen version look even worse because it should be able to handle ray tracing on an Xbox One game. Not only that, the SSD was supposed to eliminate pop ins like that fog.

[@grantapalooza998]

Not only that, it's playable on the PC. What's the point of getting an Xbox if the games are exclusive? Might as well get PC since they have PC exclusives

[@JrsFTW]

@@grantapalooza998 Its all about price. If the Xbox was a PC, its graphics card would be the 3rd best right now.

[@HuaEmpyrea]

@@JrsFTW SSD does not always guarantee pop in and loading is non-existant. It just means it loads faster. I've played with an SSD in my PC since 2014. It's noticeably faster, but pop in still happens

[@JrsFTW]

@@HuaEmpyrea Yes, I know that, but this is supposed to be an Xbox One game, Xbox One doesn't have an SSD. That means that the Xbox Series X, shouldn't have pop ins because of the SSD that the Xbox One doesn't have.

[@asheleydavies]

How the hell did red dead redemption 2 get the lighting so beautiful in light or shadow? Fully dynamic. Looks stunning, a 2 year old game on 2013 hardware

[@TTOTheTrueOne]

Talent and effort:-/

[@raresmacovei8382]

Biggest development budget of any game + 7 year development cycle.

[@JayneVEVO]

when you abuse your workers and force crunch

[@firstyalways293]

Exactly sir .

[@ChuckLopez]

Huge development cycle and runs at 30fps with a lot of drops to the 20s. This game is targetting 4k 60fps

[@cidfacetious3722]

The most important thing I got out of this video is something me and many others have been saying for over a year now native 4K is not worth the sacrifices

[@Mr.Honest247]

No, having a next gen game be playable on the last gen console hurts WAY MORE its overall details and graphics more than resolution alone because of being forced to use old assets instead of new technology!

[@necodriver1419]

Yeah except no. After I got a 4k monitor for my PC and played Doom Eternal in 4k 60 fps with only a few setting tuned down. It still looked absolutely breathtaking. That's on a 2070 Super, these consoles are more than twice as powerful as a 2070 Super. 4K is something that you just can't comfortably go back from, it's just too good looking. You really need to see games on PC in 4k to understand just how damn good it makes games look. Resolution is in fact not overrated, shilling for MS on the other hand, is, and that's exactly what this video does to a disgusting degree.

[@hamzix6599]

@@necodriver1419 no they are not more than twice as powerful as a 2070 Super the 12 tfs of the XSX and the 10 of the ps 5 is basically at best 9 for the XSX and 7 for the ps5 so a 2060super/2070/5700XT at best

[@matrix9452]

Native 4K is a waste of power, a good upscaling technique frees the GPU to provide better lightning, higher poly count, better shadows, better ray tracing and on. Even on PC is almost impossible to achieve 4K60 with Ray Tracing in high end PC. But upscaling techniques like DLSS, allows a good upscaling without having to sacrifice visuals or have performance hits

[@miguelpereira9859]

@@necodriver1419 Pay attention to his comment. He said NATIVE 4. Of course 4k is great but it's not worth it to render it natively in the age of Machine Learning upscaling

[@aarongray3463]

That fact they released this demo knowing how the internet would analyse every detail is mind blowing

[@WillOnCode]

All press is good press halo and Xbox are the number 1 topic in gaming... it’s a demo demos can be fixed

[@aarongray3463]

@@WillOnCode only if you are trying to get your name out there, Xbox and halo are established brands. Having most of their potential customers laughing at their top exclusive is not what Microsoft wanted.

[@WillOnCode]

Aaron Gray but they gonna buy the game or buy gamepass

[@aarongray3463]

@@WillOnCode that's if they buy an Xbox in the first place, don't see why anyone would bother if every game can run on pc

[@shadowlee02]

@@aarongray3463 cause not every PC can run it, and not everyone have a pc

[@mirlegends]

Was anyone else who was watching the stream waiting for them to say "Now here's what it looks like on XSX?"

[@TheSidorak12]

i made this joke while watching and was low key hoping too lol

[@fst-timer7107]

I really was

[@TheChadPad]

I heard this was running on a pc with similar specs to an x

[@AwesomeNuke]

@@TheChadPad You're missing the point. He means that during the reveal, it looked so bad that he was hoping for a transition to what it would look like on Series X (as it looks like its played on a Xbox360)

[@qwertimus]

"Resolution is overrated" Exactly right! We should all think about how good games could look at 1440p or 1800p with DLSS-like upscaling instead of native 4k... More room for fancy graphics

[@weaverquest]

This is why Naughty Dog opted for 1440p in TLOU Part II on PS4 Pro when the other PS first-party games had higher resolution output. TLOU II had the fanciest graphics.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

100% 1080P or 1440P and use DLSS 2.0 for 4K reconstruction and spend the remaining GPU budget on RTX features. Not being PC elitist, but this would put PC's several generations ahead of the new consoles.

[@alexescobar817]

I have a 2070 and I choose to play at 1080p you can't beat 144hz. 4k is not worth it.

[@GeezyLoves420]

I was very ok with alot of Sony 1st party checkerboarding solutions on my 4k tv. DF has more than once made the case for image reconstruction over native. It looks like DLSS 2.0 has overtaken CB so im anxious to see Alex's CB vs. DLSS video.

[@kyhtred]

1440/120 should be the sweet spot for next gen imo

[@HevonCZR]

The problem was that they announced on E3 2018 teaser trailer for Halo Infinite a brand new "Slipspace Engine" with gorgeous nature and wildlife images, and we didnt saw any of that. Expectations were high for a nex gen looking Halo game...

[@mrqwerty005]

that and 2019 trailer were gorgeous.

[@HevonCZR]

Yea, I am kind of disappointed, but let's hope that the gameplay feels good at least

[@DanBharry]

Yea. If they never showed that then maybe I could moderately stomach this but the downgrade is a massive and consider what the PS4 has been doing all generation this is plainly unacceptable.

[@Mr.Honest247]

The end result is ALWAYS worse than the tech demo. Still awaiting the day when those roles are reversed.

[@DanBharry]

@@Mr.Honest247 only exception I've seen is Halo 5 from beta to launch and Fallen Order form E3 to launch build.

[@justinstewart950]

“Resolution is overrated” YES THANK YOU. The UE5 showcase was at 1440p and looked fucking incredible. Could you imagine if they dropped all of that graphical fidelity just to say it runs at 4K lol?

[@granatengeorg]

@randy johnson And? The point was quality over quantity.

[@TheSidorak12]

@randy johnson wasnt this also a demo? whats your point exactly?

[@codethis2875]

@randy johnson what????? so what if it was a demo? it was still 1440P. what matters is that it is real time on the actual hardware and not pre-render or on a super computer. Resolution means nothing if your game uses old techniques and bad assets. just run an old game at 8K, does it make it amazing? no.

[@L3GEND411]

Just out of curiosity did Alex say "resolution is overrated" in the video or is that paraphrasing?

[@Calibretto9]

PrimeDerektive Around 14:30. “Resolution is completely overrated.”

[@EEVOL]

Lighting isn't going to fix the look of Harambe Brute's terrible textures.

[@diosbatman]

Craig please. His name is Craig.

[@mapuangames5847]

But but its just the lightning

[@iw5744]

Exactly! I'm sitting here slack-jawed that they're primarily blaming the lighting. There are so many other issues. It looks like total crap for a flagship launch title for nextgen. I actually lolled when I saw Craig's face for the first time.

[@jakegreenwald469]

And the horrible pop in

[@mrplayfulshade]

Oh well, Im still gonna play the shit out of this game. Weird textures or not.

[@summushieremiasclarkson4700]

Even the vegetation looked really unimpressive, especially the taller trees, looked like a green screen object. Poor detail, no wind motion and complete lack of physical interaction.

[@KnucklesWTD]

Halo 4 looks better,just watch the E3 footage

[@BestKCL]

The grass looks like it's cut out of construction paper. Then seeing the mud reflect under it -- like they have no shadows? Euughghh....

[@mapuangames5847]

minecraft + fortnite = halo infinite

[@calelsun]

Kept waiting to see huge splashes of water and mud while in the warthog, no luck. Imagine mudrunner/snowrunner levels of terrain interactivity. The squish of mud as a brute falls face first into it after a headshot and slowly sinks in a few inches. Bit of mud splattering up after a badly thrown grenade lands in it leaving mud on your gun sight or trickles of water.

[@LetsJustTalk241]

Specifically if you are coming from Ghost of Tsushima

[@prantik.pianist]

I seriously hope to God that people really *understand* that resolution is getting overrated by the day. WHY do you need 4K+costly(and therefore, usually bad) graphics as opposed to 1080p/1440p resolution with next-gen graphics, as stated in the video. Such an uproar when Gran Turismo was shown to be running at 8K. Why?? You plan to plug your console to a billboard and play? Jesus, people.

[@hihihi1q23]

If you have a big 4k tv, 1080p looks pretty terrible.

[@mrbri6463]

I used to play in 4K all the time but with often sluggish performances. Now I play with a 1080p monitor with a refresh rate of 165Hz and never looked back.

[@MrJemabaris]

@@hihihi1q23 The answer is 1440p :) Best of both worlds. 4k is for masochists

[@prantik.pianist]

@@hihihi1q23 I get it, then again maybe the solution lies elsewhere. You have to choose. 4K content is best reserved for Movies and the like, in my opinion. Gaming innovation should not be throttled by the brand race by resolution size. Everyone and their mothers want 4-8-16K screens. Sure it's great, for video content. Not gaming. Opinions are strictly personal mate, no offense.

[@TPFInferno]

@@hihihi1q23 This is wrong. Most 4k TVs can upscale 1080p pretty damn well since there isn't a lot of 4k content out there besides some Netflix shows, newer BluRays, and PC (and some console) games.

[@oreroundpvp896]

4K with poor lighting, bland textures, tonnes of pop-in and cartoon explosions vs 1440p with good lighting, nicer textures, far less pop-in and proper explosions? Idk about you but the pixel count sure isnt selling it for me lmao.

[@klipseracer]

I would much prefer 1440p with DLSS/DirectML upscaling to 4k. Most people can't tell the difference. I know lots of people can tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, of course. But They would be hard pressed to notice the difference between 1440p with DLSS compared to native 4k.

[@Sultansekte]

@@klipseracer wait i don't get it. 1440p looks like garbage on a 4k monitor cause of interpolation?

[@klipseracer]

@@Sultansekte I don't know what you're trying to say, could you ask that in a different way perhaps?

[@Sultansekte]

@@klipseracer what i mean is, that 1440p on a 4k monitor is not the same as 1440p on 1440p monitor. It looks really bad in my opinion (without dlss). But yeah, I've never seen upscaling with DLSS 2.0 and if it really looks like native 4k.

[@luisseph6348]

And that buddy is why 4k "gaming" in dumb.....but eih people wanna use those ultra expensive 4k monitors and tv's....go figure.

[@Rucarlos]

Lighting doesn't explain the horrid textures, facial animation, and Minecraft mountains and trees.

[@GOGtribute]

I can at least explain the minecraft mountains for you. The hexagonal structures is the scaffolding of the ring, basically what the terrain would attach to if the ring wasn't damaged. That being said in not defending the overuse of such structures and the lack of textures on them

[@xliedxfunx]

Minecraft has never been so beautiful with ... lightning actually, add shaders add pathtracing (or raytracing whatever) and then it does look better than any other AAA game, even though the textures are horrid and the game is cubic.

[@internetuser3104]

@@GOGtribute That's just poor art design. I get that they're supposed to represent a broken area of a Halo ring, that doesn't mean it doesn't look bad.

[@thatcanadian4460]

Alex is a shill lmao he's a part of the secret xbox discord that spreads fake news

[@mizanchoudhury9536]

@@GOGtribute terrible art design then...the bloomin custcene for H2A had fallen parts and pieces locking in as part of the ring structure...i refuse to believe this advanced ring is made up of megablocks

[@1InVader1]

The entire demo scene being in shadow was my first guess, so at first I thought they just picked out a really bad scene for the demo. Obviously they don't have any good global illumination solution, but then I saw the cutscene with the Brute. They didn't switch to a high-poly cutscene version of the model, there was no dynamic wrinkling on the face, terrible mocap, low resolution textures... Although I would say the problems with with the bad lighting in in-direct lighting are not entirely unsolvable. Some AO shadowing could've been very easily baked into the models that would've already made them look a lot better. This is the result of an entire industry getting standardized to use Zbrush, PBR materials and Substance Painter to create their models. These artists at school were just told "hey, this is now the only way to create your models and materials." They never learned any math to be able to create and generate their own materials, nor do they understand how PBR exactly works - cuz ultimately PBR really isn't a new shading technology. It's just a template for creating materials. Creating the same shading was possible for many years before, it just took some extra steps and some basic knowledge in math and physics.

[@DarkExternalHeart]

I don't think they mocap anything at all really. The face are very exaggerated and lack any subtlety, they're animated by hand i think. With mocap, you either end up with really good expression, or too subtle to see by the low poly of games.

[@1InVader1]

@@DarkExternalHeart For animating the Brute's face they used some sort of mocap/facecap for sure. The movement of the mouth does indicate as much. It's just the rig that's really poorly set up - cuz it's a gameplay rig, not a high-fidelity cutscene rig. It doesn't have texture blending set up for wrinkles and it also has far too few bones. It would need like almost double the amount of bones on the face. It also lacks skin micro-displacement (stuff like pores) baked into the for the normals or the bump map... not that you'd be able to see it though, texture resolution is just too damn low for that.

[@stevanmiladinovic1487]

Games are made by big corporations with budgets and solely for profit. No way these artists are gonna go the extra mile

[@michaelflores23]

What I’m hearing here is this next gen game, which should be showing the prowess of its console as the flagship franchise, suffers from a bunch of current gen problems. Insane that this wasn’t ray traced. I don’t get the native 4K focus for these next gen games instead of focusing on things that make the biggest difference in visual quality, like lighting. Edit: we all understand they’re patching ray tracing later. This demo needed to showcase the game better, not some later patch.

[@ripperhigh8001]

YEP! How can Microsoft still claim that current gen dosent hold back next gen? This obvious cross-gen game, combined with the fact that games like Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart FUNDAMENTALLY can't run on current gen. Its bull and MS needs to be called out

[@theman8688]

Because this is an old build and the final version will have better textures and Ray tracing lol it amazes me how dumb people are this demo is over 6 months old and is not the current build of the game smh

[@bravish8872]

Definitely suppose to be an Xbox One game ported to Series X rather than the other way around. Even as a person who doesn't care for Xbox games this got me disapointed for a person who likes modern graphics.

[@ddp5406]

@@theman8688 its amazing how naive you are...this game has been i development for almost 5 years and scheduled to launch in a few months...do u really believe the version they decided to unveil to the masses was an old build of the game not even running on the console? Or do you think its more likely they are struggling with development and it will either a) get delayed or b) be released half baked and offer patches and fixes post launch...it will most likely be option b

[@Coreymj91]

@@bravish8872 I get that but they should have not done that and should have fucking been prepared. This is there fault. As a die hard halo fan this is unacceptable with so many mistakes. They even made the stupid idea to make it rated T again so doubt the flood is in it since there is no gore.

[@OoXLR8oO]

1:54 Days Gone has real-time lighting, yet that game on PS4 still looks leaps and bounds better (even in low light areas) than Halo Infinite.

[@ghostsquadgaming2896]

Days Gone was easily a top 5 looking game in 2019

[@kohkisparten117]

Ghost Squad Gaming it was made by such a small team compared to 343 industries too. Bend studio really pulled off their A game

[@ldk8]

At 30fps which gives the GPU more breathing room

[@Reydriel]

@@ldk8 Yeah, because it's on a PS4. A next-gen console shouldn't have problems running it at 60.

[@frederikandersen8402]

Kyle DL the GPU on the Xbox series x should be much more powerful than the PS4 GPU from 2013

[@natman2939]

That’s the perfect word “flat” especially the lighting everything looks plastic Just look at doom eternal side by side with halo infinite. It’s crazy how flat halo looks. I love the halo franchise but I’m blown away by how weird it looks

[@danielledesma69]

Rated T don’t waste your time.

[@drunkenpumpkins7401]

Well.... Breaking Benjamin would be disappointed if you where blown away like that.

[@SuperScarab]

@@danielledesma69 you done with your stupid propaganda

[@5446isnotmynumber]

It must suck living six months in the past without knowing of the February update

[@hiddenvip6137]

@@5446isnotmynumber lol ikr

[@TimmyK916]

This is the single most current gen looking next gen game I've ever seen.

[@catalinborz5445]

Haha. Good one

[@TheSuperJamaican]

Gold!

[@huhhuh364]

TimmyK916 it’s the single most last gen looking next gen game I’ve ever seen

[@Sir......]

It has to be able to scale from the new console, down to the original Xbox one....

[@logicwins3492]

Well said.

[@MrHellgate82]

Will the daylight fix the lifeless world too? FFS the trees doesn't even move when spaceship flying over them. It's 2020 FFS! That kind of detail was in games for years now.

[@General_M]

Gunships in Half Life 2 would effect things in the world when they flew by. Debris would get pushed away, And power lines would jump up and down. That game is 16 years old.

[@Tazytots]

Why would you add something to a Halo game that has never existed in a Halo game before? Environments in Halo haves have always been static like that. There is no reason for them to change the design style of the game just because you played the Witcher and want weather effects on trees.

[@MasteroChieftan]

@@Tazytots this has to be epic trolling

[@ryans413]

Even Last Of Us 1 had grass and trees that moved in the wind

[@marcusrat4466]

@@Tazytots were you born this dumb or did your mother drop you on your head as a baby

[@mikearonicheese]

It's more than the lighting. The textures appear flat, especially up close on the human and alien faces, as there are no pores on the skin, wrinkles and fine details that would make a more next-gen appearance to the graphics. Everything has a flattened, cartoony look to it. Trees and vegetation don't move with the wind, there are no tracks when the warthog rolls through mud, the splashes of water during the crash scene look terrible, no water droplets, destruction in the environments are not present either. This game NEEDS LIFE. NOTHING that makes this look like a living, breathing world is in this demo. Current gen games have been doing all of these things already...and this is what we get for a new engine on a new machine?

[@maxstopmotion1925]

The skin textures actually don’t look that bad, when they are lit properly and aren’t blurred out. If you pause the trailer at the end when the brute is talking, you can see a ton of detail around his eyes and at the corners of his mouth. If the depth of field was increased he would look much better. The pilot also has some really high quality textures but the lighting and the depth of field make it look flat.

[@mikearonicheese]

@@maxstopmotion1925 at 14:27, take a look at the brute. Yes, the detail around the eyes and corners of the mouth are present, but the rest of his head looks blurry, as does his uniform. Even his lips are blurred out. My point being, that XBOX ONE X can do these graphics without the need for an upgrade, and yet, this is supposed to be using this "Slipspace" engine that takes advantage of the SERIES X. It does not look like a next gen game. Microsoft should have made this game a SERIES X exclusive, as it totally would have been a system seller if the graphics were alot better. It's completely lifeless in the environments, there's pop-in, there are no moving trees or vegetation....I could go on and on.

[@gamingislife140]

Your absolutely right I agree 100%

[@residentgiant]

Alex actually explains how pretty much everything you're bringing up regarding the texture quality and details is affected by the lighting. Look at 10:25

[@zacharydrahm825]

residentgiant thing is though you should still be able to see hi res textures regardless if you’re in a shadowy environment. It’s called ambient lighting. If you need to stand out in the sunlight to see the detail than that shows the game itself is lacking simple bump mapping.

[@GothicLightingQueen]

Is it only me that think the plasma explosions looks weird, it´s looks more like someone droping a can of blue paint then an explosion

[@GOGtribute]

@P. Spit game is rated T for teens. I don't believe they can have blood sticking to surfaces with that rating

[@iMoD190]

I thought that all of the explosions, grenades, and guns looked and sounded weak.

[@ZaibJ]

I kinda fact it just a facade to hide away the lack of detail in the npc armour

[@danielledesma69]

Rated T don’t waste your time.

[@KizaruB]

Mystic I don’t like 343 at all, but I want them to at least finish the game before we can judge their saga

[@eldarmusayev7653]

"once you understand it it will be really *enlightening*" - I see what you did there

[@Mr.Honest247]

I didn’t.

[@FalconsZone6]

Bars

[@doyoulikejazz9516]

That pop-in is horrendous.

[@tchitchouan]

tell me about it, look at that 2d cloud pop in

[@mjayjoseph855]

And this is running on PC hardware 😒🤦🏽‍♂️

[@ceemontana5877]

@@mjayjoseph855 although a French site mentions this (which hasn't been officially been confirmed to be true), behind the scene play of the game running on XSX hardware is true. And those gaming media sites and journalists stated, it was no different from the latest reveal. So yes, this game isn't in great shape at the moment.

[@Rockapotamus91]

Worlds most powerful console everyone

[@jarde1989]

You’re right, and that Gran Turismo was beautiful lol

[@s5SnipEmo]

Devs should consult with DF before revealing their games. I feel like this exactly pinpointed my issues with the game.

[@tacktful]

DF consultancy - excellent idea!

[@mig2008pt]

So, a kid on KZbin had solve the mystery that the entire team programing the game were unable to pinpoint the entire development time they had, really?

[@s5SnipEmo]

@@mig2008pt Digital Foundry is much more than "some kid on KZbin" lmao

[@CodeSnowy]

@@mig2008pt you know, funny part is that you think game development is all about graphics. Did you know that 80% of the game development is about things that you do not see (coming from someone who is studying game development). this means that unless the game is dependent on the graphics and artistic design to tell the story or gameplay mechanics rely on on it, the graphics are nearly an afterthought. I will bet you that from this 5 years development cycle of Halo, they didn't have a playable demo that looks even slightly like this last year. this is why we see CGI demos long before the games are shown, it is because they don't have anything to show anyway. They spend most of the development time designing and refining the behind the scene stuff.

[@secret333plays]

@@mig2008pt Mystery? 343 made design choices that cause the game to look like this. I'm sure they are aware.

[@intothebeyond8763]

it's not just the lighting ...It's the textures ,it's the low res models ,it's the lack of character facial animation...Basically it's everything.

[@thatcanadian4460]

he's paid by microsoft what do you expect lol fking DF

[@laatma985]

@@thatcanadian4460 *sigh*

[@AwesomeNuke]

@@laatma985 Well, they technically are paying DF... They provided Series X prototypes and access to some games lol

[@SuperScarab]

@@thatcanadian4460 you mean how PS did with TLOU2

[@White_Night_Demon]

So then we should all make games for PC as the base and port it to console plebs later, rather than the other way around of console players first than PC? Since with a PC, you can set the minimum standard to be the highest possible which means only the top of the line gaming machines can play the game with all eye candy turned on at a reasonable frame rate.....

[@GOML_Redd]

My absolute favorite line: "Resolution is completely overrated"... Truer words have never been said.

[@cesarpelaez6326]

DF Is one of the sites that have been more critical with low res games.

[@codethis2875]

@@cesarpelaez6326 Resolution matters to a degree. I think there's a huge difference between 720P and 1080P because of the extra detail we see with that boost. we are at a point where many games hit close to native 4K already which becomes very hard to tell between native 4K and 1800P especially with good reconstruction we have today.

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@cesarpelaez6326 They are critical of presentation and often just say it how it is. If it has an effect on your ability to enjoy the game, it's important (anything under 900p is bad. Anything over 1440p is excessive. Anything in between with maybe some good reconstruction tech is what all games should strive for). If I put you in front of a TV at around 3 metres, which I think is about normal, and showed you 900p vs 1080p, you could probably see the difference. 1080p vs 1440p is even easier to spot. 1440p vs 2160p? Harder. 1440p with good AA and reconstruction vs 2160p? You may choose the wrong one for the higher resolution. Game tech has always been what they can get away with. What props to skip in dynamic lighting, how close are you going to be? Do we need 2k textures or is 512 enough? And all of a sudden it's this one number people are focussed on and even compromise other effects to obtain an imperceptible boost in resolution. It's the wrong tradeoff.

[@nextlifeonearth]

@Nec Ro If that ain't the most beautiful potato you've ever seen, then I dunno what to tell you.

[@newworlddisorder156]

@Nec Ro Inside his RAM is potato chips

[@skylakeside7330]

The assault rifle even in the direct lighting screenshot still looks plasticky lol

[@thomasstaffer]

343 for some reason doesnt know how to texture metal.

[@GoldSrc_]

Guns in all Halo games have always looked like toys. Halo's art style has never been realistic, and that's what makes it stand out from every other FPS game. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[@skylakeside7330]

@@GoldSrc_ Yeah, but they've always looked grounded in some way. I've been playing Halo since CE and the visuals have never distracted me from the game until now. I hope 343 keeps tweaking it for the better until launch.

[@psychotictrait3757]

Gordon Freeman Halo Reach artstyle was incredibly complex tho?

[@bloopboop9320]

@@GoldSrc_ Actually, plastic like is realistic. A lot of modern firearms have plastic parts or look incredibly smooth. Just type in "modern firearms" on google and pretty much everything will be incredibly smooth and look like plastic. I think this is partially an issue with audiences not knowing what real guns look like. Most guns do not have thousands of scratches, scuffs, and details on them. Your average gun is very simple to look at and not very complex. The art style in this game makes me think they are embracing a more realistic take on military equipment where everything is made as efficiently as possible instead of having a million pointless bells and whistles.

[@CharcharoExplorer]

I want a STALKER 1 Retrospective. With information on its A-Life AI System, Ballistics simulation , Global Illumination + dynamic rain effects and deferred rendering.

[@ernestovazquez9939]

That's a lot you are asking for.

[@Theinvalidmusic]

@Gareth Fairclough Given that the STALKER source code is out there on the web now, I hope somebody takes the time to fix up the GI. I still love that old engine so much, even if it is janky as heck.

[@amp5275]

This comment DF

[@ganyeungazi9129]

I love that! dynamic rain effects with different weather patterns while surviving? heck yeah.

[@nanoua27]

This is what we need.

[@mrfire1968]

A polished and full tank warthog out of nowhere... Master Chief: It’s a protagonists privileged

[@gabrielpoupou1479]

since when do you need to fill a tank in any car games

[@user-og9nl5mt1b]

Chief is the highest ranked solider in the UNSC , so he does have the right

[@videogameobsession]

Why does horizon: Zero Dawn look 10x better on 2013 hardware? I think it has more to do with developer artistic skills, TBH.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Exactly. The technicals are "fine", the problem is aesthetic.

[@1Nynja]

@sdf sfdgsdfg Have you looked at other games that show more grit and grime on materials? Think original Star Wars movies where assets looked worn, imperfect. They looked real. This looks too clean, and very bland.

[@connorbaz5980]

@@1Nynja IMO (as much as I hate to applaud anything associated with EA) I think that Battlefront 2015 was (graphically) almost flawless. It was almost 100% accurate, and just absolutely blew my mind when I got it running on my PC... That was 5 WHOLE YEARS AGO, and 343 calls Infinite "next-gen?" I'm sorry, but even though Halo is my favorite game franchise in the world, Infinite just is NOT next gen, and I would actually wait another couple years for them to fix the game.

[@dang4056]

hahaha better? really?

[@pretentiousarrogance3614]

They probably need to change that studio if they ever want to make Halo a hallmark game

[@42crazyguy]

"Unimaginative materials" is my favorite new criticism of texture work. Perfectly describes a feeling I have had countless times with games this generation.

[@3Triang3l3]

@R Random generation is even more unimaginative, to me Half-Life 2, which had traditional diffuse textures, was the peak, they had all the little details captured thanks to the usage of textures created from real photos.

[@Seedonator]

@R yeah epic has been on fire recently. I've been making some really nice looking materials in quixel mixer using quixel's megascans assets which are free for ue4 now thanks to epic games.

[@JoshMarshain]

@Ekquizit Sounds very excited to see what Sony's 1st party technical artists can do on the PS5 with ZERO concern for last gen tech, not digging MSs approach to next gen, why hold back your expensive super box with last gen considerations?

[@beezusHrist]

@@JoshMarshain Gamepass...

[@3Triang3l3]

@dayik meow?

[@KarnageKollectibles]

The texture on the antagonist during his monologue was so bad. It looked very 'last gen' IMO.

[@19HajimeSaitou91]

I love how DF was literally shitting Deadly Premonition 2 with jokes and sarcasm giving NO ANY chance to the game - - WHILE HERE this dude defending Halo as hard as he can, tons of excuses and empty promises... I mean I respected DF but now at least Alex needs to go.

[@cosmosofinfinity]

The speech was bad too. Way overdramatic and took so long, I just wanted it to be over already...

[@frederikandersen8402]

19HajimeSaitou91 can't see how he was defending it? He was criticising the game from start to end. I learned a lot from this video, Alex is great

[@KarnageKollectibles]

cosmosofinfinity yep. Afterwards I watched the Giant Bomb and East Allies reaction vids and both commented about how lame that speech was.

[@VietnamG]

19HajimeSaitou91 he isnt defending it. He’s explaining why it looks like shit and what they could do better.

[@mavicpro3289]

I'm looking at the grass in sunlight. Still trash, I'm looking at the grass disappearing and reappearing.... I'm looking at how the ship goes straight through a tree. I'm looking at the clouds disappearing and reappearing in the background. I'm looking at how all of this is played on a PC. There is no excuse for saying it's just lighting 🤣

[@davidgreen8431]

He didn't say it was just lighting. He even said the game may be GPU bound because of 4k 60fps.

[@papicholo623]

@@davidgreen8431 it looks like shit for a flagship title on the most powerful console.

[@marctech1996]

The entire 4K 60fps mandate was insane to begin with. 60fps is great and in a game like Halo very much needed. Full 4K is stupid and I agree that it is largely to blame for some of the popup. 1440p standard with dynamic resolution up to 4K for something like rendering the sky would have been much smarter. However the general art design in this game also is not up to par with what was expected (and my expectations weren’t particularly high). The lazy material, character and environmental texture work is apparent from the very beginning. Character animations also are rather stiff which is excusable for MC with the bulky armor but basically everything is reacting to impact and movement in a very bland and artificial way. And even the cutscene at the very beginning is so much worse than what we get with Resident Evil II remastered and obviously Sony‘s first party titles. This is not the fault of the XSX, even though I also believe that many people are overestimating what kind of generational leap in graphics can be expected while also providing 60fps (and especially if you force full native 4K on top of that). This is the fault of Microsoft pushing Halo Infinite as the ultimate next gen game while promising that support for the Xbox One will not hold back the Series X. 343 clearly is the wrong developer to prove either point but I also believe that both are wrong to begin with. Halo hasn’t been a generation defining game in terms of graphics for years and it’s art style isn‘t really suited for that anyway. In order for that to happen it would need an artistic (and probably thematic) redesign close to what happened with God of War. And last but definitely not least: Forcing first party developers to support Xbox One (no matter whether the technology, artistic vision, budget and timeline allows that) was always going to hold back XSX games from reaching it’s full potential. This is why The Medium looked the best out of all the Games.

[@BenjerminGaye]

Dude it's a 12 TF gpu. It's like saying a RTX 2080 shouldn't be used for 4k. -_- the resolution cant be a factor here.

[@Tunir007]

@@BenjerminGaye It has already been shown that the series X gpu wont be near as powerful as the rtx 2080, something you can see just by looking at the price difference of the entire console and the single gpu. And no, 4K gaming is something very few people actually do and like the original comment above me said, sacrificing other aspects of graphics just to achieve 4K is a very stupid thing to do.

[@tarfaerhing7555]

@@BenjerminGaye even a 2080ti struggles with 4k60 in some games, that resolution is the biggest meme in gaming

[@youngodonkor6595]

I don't understand why developers are so invested in 4k 60 frames.

[@0037rmb]

On a monitor I agree with you. On a TV? 4k blows 1440p out of the water. Given my system has been blessed with a 2080 super for most games I find myself enjoying 4k 60 on my OLED vs 1440p 120 WAY more. Particle effects / less reliance on aliasing is such a game changer. And DLSS 2.0 blows my mind in death stranding. Throw on a wee bit of motion blur and the difference between 60fps and 120fps gets even smaller. 4k 60 all the way for this guy.

[@gtafan110010]

Tbh even though you made a case for the real time lighting solution being more expensive, i didnt agree with your point that models didnt stick out like in last of us 2. To me the brutes and especially elites just look out of place. Halo was always colourful but never entirely cartooney. These enemies look far too cartoony compared to the muted environments and it makes them pop out in all the wrong ways

[@majormononoke8958]

Agree

[@renereiche]

I don't think it's as much the models themselves, but how skin is simulated. There is basically no subsurface scattering and no multi-layer complexions on the skin. And what would have more helped with the shadow regions is some form of volumetric lighting to give the impression that the regions between tree shadows for example are lit. Even without expensive floating particles in the air, this can look excellent.

[@jerryberry3501]

Naw they look fine. People just like to complain too much.

[@burd7455]

@@jerryberry3501 Nah, People just have higher standards.

[@exploringtheisle3475]

@@burd7455 yeah it's not like you pay money for console and game and expect it to be good looking.noooo its judt ppl having high standards. Sure dude

[@JonasKondratas]

16:17 Dem Crysis 3 still looks very slick after all those years.

[@rampage_sl]

Well....it's Crysis

[@RoyBrown777]

Pity it's such a boring game. I loved Crysis 1 and Warhead, recently got 2 and 3 on steam on sale, refunded both. Absolutely garbage.

[@mail123619]

@@RoyBrown777 yeah i agree I've played crysis 3 and i never finished it i know it's super short as well but i play it for like 4 hours and stop cuz it's boring

[@eldete6210]

After all these years? Always.

[@themostwanted774]

So true.

[@carljthatsme94]

As poor as the lighting is, the assets look pretty poor and basic. Lighting won't fix that. Destiny 2 is a few years old and looks substantially better

[@Nero_PR]

343I are the dissidents of Bungie who thought they could make some good money staying with Halo and Microsoft. Too bad they forgot what kept Halo being what it was was Bungie themselves. 343I has no talent to keep the IP.

[@theaces3697]

but they are different types of games? the guns in destiny are crazy and over the top and in some cases too noisey detail wise, Halos models for this game are meant to be simpler they are stlyeized to look similar to older Halos, if we look at Halo 5 their weapon models are extremely detailed so we know they can do it if they want to

[@Lead_Foot]

Last time I tried Destiny 2 to test out my HDR1000 monitor I couldn't stand looking at it.

[@magictriangle6878]

@@theaces3697 Imo the older Halo games look better than this

[@deaderdandead1484]

@@Nero_PR This is some of the most ignorant ass shit i've heard all week. Do you really think they have *no talent to keep the ip* after constantly listening to one of the most toxic fan bases today and fixing issues to their liking and also making Halo 2: A?

[@sersou]

Watching this after the unreal engine 5 demo makes it feel like a 360 title. Edit : no amount of ray tracing is going to fix apparent incompetency.

[@WillOnCode]

But that’s not a game also hell blade is the first UE5 game

[@stryker4514]

@@WillOnCode You mean the second hell blade game, even then I don't think it is confirmed that is the first UE5 game. If you're talking about the first game, then no (UE5 wasn't even announced back then)

[@matrix9452]

Unreal Engine 5 demo is only running at 1440p, this is running at NATIVE 4K60. Native 4K60 with Ray Tracing doesn't come cheap, you need to sacrifice graphical fidelity to meet this output target. Is almost impossible even on high end PC to run at native 4K60 with Ray Tracing. With current gen games it can be done on consoles but will hamper ambitions for more complex graphics on next gen since you need to meet this output. Maybe games at 4K30 to have that "4K ready" sticker with an alternate 1440p60 mode with all the graphical fidelity at lower resolution in favor of better performance could work. Or even use upscaling and image reconstrucion techniques as DLSS, Checkerboard or Dynamic Resolution

[@wemightbetheflash2716]

@@WillOnCode all you saw were cgi tho for hellblade.

[@solid_justice5855]

@@matrix9452 but Halo infinity demoe did not have Ray tracing

[@MRSCT78]

This demo lacks the Wow moment both graphic wise and gameplay wise, that's a big marketing issue. They hype the console so much as the most powerful console and set the expectation sky-high. This demo did not deliver. You need to show off whatever the best you can in this showcase, not something from months old in development, to me that's an excuse. That tells me the final product won't look much different from this demo, a big blow to the most powerful console.

[@raventv5613]

And they were talking about 120fps too.... And in the showcase, they showed each and every games running in 60fps

[@kingzgaming3467]

Wasn’t even running on the series x bud it was running on a pc we don’t know the specs of that’s the main reason there were pop ins the game was built from the ground up for series x but they didn’t show it Idk why but I’m guessing they weren’t ready and the build is months old maybe even from January Arron Greenberg said himself it was a old build and it’s looking better every week

[@jzilla1234]

@@kingzgaming3467 lots of desperate excuses coming from you now.

[@antonioaguilargonzalez4161]

@@kingzgaming3467 it was running on a pc as powerfull as the xbsx. So don't give me that bs, even if this demo was old, i doubt the final product will look different than what was shown in the showcase.

[@unoriginalyoutubename8761]

@@jzilla1234 what?

[@Reactor10k]

The janky animation on the ships didn’t help either.

[@Rhythmattica]

Jerky animations at 120fps are the goal....

[@neokovacs187]

also on the face of the guy piloting the ship when he has talking, looked like some shit made with SFM

[@jaydenwhyte3287]

Well the phantoms always have had shitty animations since ce

[@michaelmirabella420]

Um but Red Dead 2 uses global and baked in lightning and is open world and looks generations ahead of this and had roughly the same or possible cheaper budget

[@povilasmarveloustv3810]

Lmao... RDR 2 budget was 100 million. Halo 3 budget back when Halo was at it's peak popularity was 60 million. From which btw, Halo has fallen FAR AWAY. Also, why would any Halo fans complain about graphics? Halo was never a graphical marvel and Halo Infinite graphics should be celebrated. There's no bullshit to it, the scenery is clear and obvious. Look at MW for example. Way too much shit on the screen, way too hard to see enemies, etc. i bet 90% of the people complaining about Halo Infinite graphics aren't actual Halo fans.

[@dyslexicstoner2408]

@@povilasmarveloustv3810 Halo Infinite is the most expensive video game ever made with a budget of $500 million

[@XxBUMGODxX]

Quinten McLaughlin lmao where tf did you get those numbers from? Budget for this looks 5-10 million. Ubisoft spends money on their games

[@dyslexicstoner2408]

Doom Bot Just Google the budget lol. It does look like it is only 5-10 million, which is why the graphics are so disappointing. I don't see how someone could defend the graphics of this game when it is 5 times the budget of Red Dead Redemption 2. For $500 million this game is abominable

[@michaelmirabella420]

@@povilasmarveloustv3810 That's beside the point, the gameplay looks sick -- but the use of Halo Infinite as practically the only showpiece (i.e it was the only game with actual gameplay shown) to sell Xbox Series X is a major failure. It's been reported this game likely has a far larger budget than 100 mil. in addition, as a Halo fan why would you NOT want the game to look better when "better" is clearly an achievable goal as evidence from the competition.

[@arcverson4963]

17:52 The spaceship goes through the trees like nobody's business Lmao

[@osopotato1698]

That's actually a good catch

[@canadaspy007]

Don't worry better lighting will fix that lol. Absolutely unreal how ms always gets damage control for mediocrity.

[@yoraebernardo8335]

Dude, the grasses even look like static sticks. It's hardly reacting to anything. Jesus, the whole vegetation looks terrible in this generation's standard. And great job picking up a demo with hardly any wind. Even a change in lighting would fix this mess.

[@WelhamGaming]

Put the video res up to 4k and fullscreen it and pause. Ship is flying way behind the tree, not even close to clipping. Game looks like hot garbage though.

[@canadaspy007]

@@WelhamGaming yeah if ms told me it was a remastered halo 3 I'd have believed it. Should change the name to Halo : Limited ( stolen from somewhere )

[@spicydeath82]

my guess is despite the fact they keep saying the game was built from the ground up to take advantage of the xbox series x, that it was built for xbox one. hence the flat lighting and the fact ray tracing will be added later. my guess would be that in a year or two when ms drops support for the xbox one, we'll see some major upgrades. it's sad that ms decided to go that route. i'd have preferred that xbox series x games were exclusive to that console and not ports of xbox one games which seems is what we are getting for at least the first year.

[@mannishboy17]

Exactly. By far the biggest issue is Halo infinite is an xbox one game. Microsoft trying to hype series x power using Infinite is infuriatingly dumb.

[@DanielLopez-ob9jz]

@@mannishboy17 yeah the most graphically impressive game we saw at the showcase was the medium and the best at the showcase before was scorn. They shouldve marketed those more and they had some other really cool games that they just didnt give enough time for.

[@Indigo_1001]

But their are open world current gen games that look better. It’s all in the art direction. Destiny 1 looked more appealing then this.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

But microsoft said..... lastgen wouldnt hold back next gen! 1st gamr they show looks last gen.

[@CJGOM]

Several of the exclusives they announced are Series X/PC only and already dropped xbox one when they announced them.

[@LeesReviews69]

That brute talking at the end was like staring 2004 in the face.

[@steveafanador6441]

LMFAO 😂👍👍

[@j3e125]

2004-era cgi that looked cool for game trailers, like the original gameplay reveal of Halo 2

[@xunsinxful]

True true, lol pretty wack

[@Seb_Falkor]

Lmaoo you should go look at games from 2004 then cause you’re damn wrong

[@josephlennon3786]

It reminded me of the ZOLTAR THE MAGNIFICENT GeForce 3 demo from around that time. Cringe.

[@generalshrooms]

The textures are all so sterile and flat. Everything looks like it just came straight out of the factory

[@joshuasterling2144]

We are used to Lived In games at this point, unacceptable for the time table available to them, the amount of people and the resources they have had. Sony gives their studios less than half the money, their studios are down to 500 people on some studios and they have had to do everything that 343 has done including re tooling their own proprietary engines. Except all of their games where completely new content with new IP, not a game in a previous IP with set ideas and a column of permutations already in place.

[@LuisLopez-om8zr]

Just like halo 5

[@jerryballstein]

He mentions it in the video, but I think targeting 4k @ 60 fps and making it run on the XB1 are anchors dragging the overall visuals down. Hitting a constant 4k is basically just marketing bullshit and a waste of the system's resources; I wouldn't be surprised if this is a directive from Microsoft. I'd rather target lower resolution and better textures and lighting. I mean I played TLOU2 at 1080p at first and was still floored at how gorgeous it was. This should've been a tent pole title showing next gen graphical fidelity and instead it's being universally panned. Maybe in 3 or 4 years when they retire support for XB1 they can release an optimization patch that let's the game use next gen hardware to it's potential.

[@zshadows]

It looks like the Halo team hired to art director for Fortnite but then didn't even make it cartoony enough to justify it.

[@frankiejramone]

0:45 you've been holding back this talent the entire time?

[@Retrohertz]

MS Paint is underrated.

[@daringintrovert]

The ray tracing is so exquisite

[@bearpuns5910]

@@daringintrovert MS Paint RTX when

[@larrytaylor2692]

The shots on all the plasma weapons don’t light anything up anymore not since Xbox 360

[@JohnnyZenith]

I don't like Halo so it means little to me.

[@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749]

@@JohnnyZenith then, why are you here?

[@LeesChannel]

@@JohnnyZenith You must work for 343i

[@dk1480]

@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749just to suffer

[@MrHellrider9]

SWAT Kats they need to fire themselves

[@nmphotog]

For me it's a combination of things. In additional to the lighting choices, the textures have no surface complexity. Everything looks like a toy set in a diorama.

[@shreder75]

This.

[@19coyote5oh9]

Yep.

[@KenSTACKS]

Didn't he say the texture were fine?

[@JoshMarshain]

Honestly the art decisions are kind of lackluster themselves beyond the technical failings of the visuals, lackluster art direction can kill a game, games are a highly visual medium, its 2020, no matter how crazy or sci fi the world is, there's a right way and a wrong way to do that

[@nmphotog]

@@KenSTACKS Nah in the last half of the video he goes on to say there is a distinct lack of detail compared to much older games.

[@IgnemAeternum]

Even if this is a 6 month old build, THIS issue should not be happening. Ghost of Tsushima had a 3 year old build that was downgraded otherwise the PS4 would melt, and what have we got? Jesus fucking christ, what a beautiful looking game with amazing lightning AND NO POP-IN, also 3 seconds loading times when fast traveling. Probably the best of this generation. Same goes for Death Stranding, Red Dead Redemption 2 and TLOU 2, even BOTW. Now Halo Infinite looks like a really good game with all the dynamic stuff, but in this case, it doesn't feel dynamic enough. Look at the trees. They don't MOVE at all in the wind, there IS no wind. Everything is static. No tracks when you are in a vehicle, or on ground when you step on it. Sure the gameplay looks fun and it looks like it borrows something from Doom Eternal, which is obviously a good thing no matter how you look at it, especially for an open game as this. But this is a current gen title, you can fight me all you want. 6 month old builds like this and AC Valhalla shouldn't be a buggy mess with flat lip syncing and horrible looking models (Master Chief looks great BTW) and static objects that don't move. But even so, the ground textures and textures in general look horrible across the whole demo. And you can say "Well, new games on new consoles always look like a bit modern old gen titles", however this is not the case. As the most powerful console on the market, this is what they are trying to sell us? I am not an Xbox fan myself, but i rather admire the hardware and design they did. I usually buy a PlayStation for their games, but i would be lying if i said i wasn't a Halo fan from day 1. Even if they say they will "Upgrade" it and add "Ray-Tracing" post launch, if they don't make the world feel alive, what is the point anywhat? I am sorry that i was spoilt by GoT, but now i want a lot of tall grass, pollen, leaves and trees waving in the wind in any game that has trees and grass. And leaves casting shadows, moving when you move, falling on water and then water sweeps them down, etc.

[@MarcSteene]

This demo is actually only a few weeks old as confirmed by 343 in a recent Waypoint post :(

[@Terkzorr]

Man look at that suddenly appearing grass 3 feet in front of the player.

[@vishnusafaya8460]

Apparantly that's what the "Velocity Architecture" does. What a shame on Microsoft's part. Disappointed.

[@infini7791]

@@vishnusafaya8460 no, that has to do with FOV and obscured rendering (a next gen feature). The slip space engine has the ability to not render objects that are obscured from the players view, but this PC demo has a wide FOV which is showing the derendering at the edge of the frame. Also, the PC that this game was played on doesn't have velocity architecture... No PC does.

[@Xanderman]

@@infini7791 Ha, makes sense then.

[@commandurrazor]

Halo nintendo switch edition

[@vishnusafaya8460]

@@infini7791 Thanks for the tech details. Always great to know more about the tech running these games. 😊 I do know the Velocity Architecture is a proprietary Xbox hardware solution but wasn't this particular game demo supposed to be the next gen platform showcase? They should've made us wait a little more, shown it off maybe at the August event on a Series X and everyone would be happy. These excuses just don't feel right on Microsoft's part. We didn't force them to show us an old build on a mid spec PC. They chose to do it and they should definitely be criticised for it, no matter how big of an Xbox fan one is.

[@cmelft2463]

Its alright guys, they were just playing the anniversary edition and accidently hit the share button during gameplay.

[@lukealexanderrobertsthefir458]

Halo anniversary looks better?

[@pyrexsteel]

I hope it's as good as Combat Evolved. That game still holds up even on the OG console.

[@spyro440]

So this is it. The flagship title of XSX. That's not even funny any more.

[@ADran07]

hahahaha

[@speedracer2please]

The remaster graphics for Halo 2 are actually amazing lol I think it would have looked better if they used that

[@dreammfyre]

Yeah, it’s not just the lightning. The trees look like they out of an MMO from 2007 for example. It’s just barren and game-looking.

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

dreamfyre what the fck are they trying to do with this pathetic garbage video? Have you noticed that a lot of the big sites are doing everything they can to play up that July show?

[@EatThePath-7]

Yep, you can see them better on that promo image with all the enemies lined up. Graphics wise, the Infinite showcase was downright embarrasing

[@williamcorbett1748]

@@WeeWeeJumbo did you even watch the video

[@rishavroy1368]

You didn't watch the whole video, he mentions all this stuff at the end.

[@Hathur]

apparently they couldn't even shell out the couple hundred bucks to buy Speed Tree toolset that countless games use to render trees. Instead they had an intern model them, apparently.

[@melkormedia7413]

I miss reach. As in, I miss when we could genuinely look forward to a halo game that looked amazing and had one hell of an atmosphere.

[@joshuasterling2144]

Reach is the last real Halo, I will have to run back through on PC at some point.

[@TheGeechman]

Joshua Sterling for story for sure, halo 5 has the best multiplayer by far. Makes you feel like a spartan

[@WarHero373]

@@TheGeechman Halo Reach Firefight is the ultimate spartan simulation. Halo 5 is nothing like what Bungie created.

[@5446isnotmynumber]

I think your little snarky hate comment aged like fine wine

[@arbiter-]

@@TheGeechman I mean, halo 5 has the best multiplayer if you don't like halo.

[@RobertFierce]

Rename this video to: "When Crysis 3 Looks better than next next gen Console games - 2020 Edition"

[@brandenlucero]

Crysis 3 might look better, but it's still a boring title compared to almost any other shooter i'd rather play - including the original Crysis. Looks aren't everything, gameplay is everything. People tend to forget that.

[@brownchair2698]

Incredible how well crysis 3 holds up. Even today.

[@derhergeher]

@@brandenlucero people tend to forget "most powerful console ever"

[@WookieWarriorz]

Branden Lucero crysis 3 looks more fun that this boomer doom lol

[@ShotgunGamerBR]

Crysis 1 looks way better

[@GeezyLoves420]

Besides everything presented in this video, another thing that is decidedly last gen and not representative of AAA at all with this game, is the dynamism of the world itself. Now ill be the 1st to appreciate the 60hz target and maybe thats why everything is so static. There's birds and animals but besides that no movement in the foliage, limited particles, no sense of wind or real life at all during the demo. Games like GoT and RDR2 have so much more going on in their respective open worlds and in RDR2s case, can be run at 60fps on Series X equivalent PC hardware. The most logical conclusion is what Alex mentioned about OG X1 holding the core design of the engine back. They should've marketed this game as the last big X1 game with XSX support and advancement in the future. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@matrix9452]

I agree with your points, but I do think Native 4K60 with Ray Tracing is a big ask, even high end PC suffer to reach this. I think it could be smarter to use a good upscaling technique, such as DLSS, delivering a greater resolution without the cost of performance or visual sacrifices, it would allow higher poly count, higher quality textures, better Ray Tracing, better Lightning and more complex scenes. Some games I think will still aim for 4K30 but hopefully offers a performance 1440p60 mode, keeping the same graphical fidelity but lowering the resolution in favor of better performance. Native 4K60 is great but people are so obsessed with these numbers, that some games may have to compromise in some visuals to meet these targets. Next gen games are supposed to be even more demanding, but even current gen games are demanding enough at 4K60 with Ray Tracing... I think Native resolution is a waste of power, it could be smarter to use some form of upscaling while not using all the extra GPU leap in the resolution output that just means sharpness.

[@ohmnesia]

Your comment contradicts itself. Your saying RDR2 can be run on 4K 60FPS on similar hardware to Series X. And the game came out on OG Xbox One as well. So how does Xbox One hold back Halo Infinite?

[@enid9911]

I also thought that there should be at least a little wind to move the trees and grass.

[@MVPMTKING]

Well said

[@M1d32]

Agreed, the fact that everything sort of looks dead and static. The wind doesn’t blow, the trees don’t sway subtlety.

[@TheUltrawideGuy]

16:18 That moment when 2013's Crysis 3 looks better than your game in 2020.

[@musicxxa6678]

That is shocking truth. 7 years old game...

[@canceroushit5933]

That moment when graphics is all you care about in a halo game

[@TheUltrawideGuy]

@@canceroushit5933 Correct, I have no interest in it. Never have. Just wanted to see what it looked like. Not good is the answer.

[@andrewhezekiahdaniel]

@@canceroushit5933 That moment when Microsoft have been bragging about 12 teraflops.

[@randybradley4151]

@@canceroushit5933 So, You'd rather run around in a Halo game if the characters looked like stick figures if the story was good?

[@dekdenfor9770]

it looks cheap. lighting deff matters but the textures themselves looks like trash as well. micro need to let it cook for much longer

[@spottheturtle9568]

What's really sad is that this game has been in dev for over 4 years. I'm not sure what major fixes they plan in 4 months.

[@dekdenfor9770]

yep, and it's going to kill the franchise at this rate. what a shame

[@danielledesma69]

Rated T don’t waste your time.

[@KizaruB]

I think the requirement of 60fps on base Xbox one and native 4k on Series X is holding the game back. They have to aggressively cull graphics to maintain the resolution and frame rate.

[@acaptainnachoz2111]

@Peyton Brimmer lol they delayed it now

[@ninjascroll1017]

I think the game being cross gen had alot to do with it. The overall design looks like it was held back by that. It looks like an xbox one game with the graphics settings on ultra

[@ryz9045]

But Phil Spencer said Xbone wouldn't hold it back!!!

[@XBX1MASTER]

Not the problem. You'll see. Pun intended

[@sabsaaa1188]

It was a game originally meant for Xbox One so that makes sense. I just don't get why they didn't plan to make it for XSX

[@mouseutopia]

It honestly looks like it was originally meant for Nintendo 3DS.

[@n4ko]

knowing next gen was coming how the heck they started to produce a HALO game for current gen?... this just shows how shortsighted MS is...

[@asheleydavies]

I think we all need to thank Alex for the Brute face freeze meme...

[@ps61762]

How about your PS5 render? 🤣😭😁

[@diahmyrawatirossana2213]

@@ps61762 what? Are you butthurted? Are you a xbsx fanboy?

[@ps61762]

@@diahmyrawatirossana2213 what? PissStation 5 on render is the best thing :)

[@ps61762]

@@diahmyrawatirossana2213 Sony is too ashamed to reveal their CONSOLE in real video, the BIGGEST CONSOLE IN HISTORY 😁

[@AD-xh9cy]

@@ps61762 Why so mad?

[@kubilaycetin4313]

Unfortunately the lighting is only one part that seemed off. The quality of lod assets, foliage, pop-in issues, low-res textures and those weird hexagonal pillars planted literally everywhere plus those awfull enemy modells define the look. I doubt better lighting and ray-tracing can save anything considering how insane the 2018 trailer looked. What did really happen in 5 years development ? Rebooted multible times ? Development hell ?

[@danielvorster5773]

There's also the problem that they are trying to get a next gen game to run on current gen consoles. Remember Msoft said they would like their exclusives to run on current gen for at least the first year of release

[@WickedWeavile]

@@danielvorster5773 Microsoft should have limited their support for current gen to the X1X only, since its hardware is far more capable of running a cross-gen game that at least approaches next gen in quality without significant sacrifices. The OG X1 is preposterously weak, and the fact that Halo Infinite is obviously being held back in order to run on that ancient hardware is a massive shame.

[@alexlyster3459]

It seems like this game was originally supposed to launch only for this gen, but it got rebooted a year or two into development after the backlash against Halo 5. So essentially it's not a game that's being held back by current gen, since it was always supposed to be for Current gen. As for other downgrades, I think other than aiming it hit 4k60, I think one thing being overlooked is that they're going for split screen again.

[@jericosha2842]

Exactly

[@licenciadoleopoldocanoloza1144]

Hexagons are because the ring is repairing itself. Lore reasons. Anyway I do expect to get better as Gears 5 did

[@brucewayne404]

It really shows how unimpressive Infinite is visually when it cuts to Reach and Crysis 3, those games are two console generations behind Infinite but look so much better.

[@fastmadcow]

Can Series X run Crysis?!

[@jdg1251]

Played reach today, doesn't look better, it has a lot of style and feels good to look at. But saying it looks better is simply false.

[@trinitussancti6448]

Julián Del Gobbo i think he was talking about the general look of the games like the weapon models, and lighting aspects or things of that nature.

[@brucewayne404]

@@trinitussancti6448 - Correct. I was talking about the overall visual design, lighting and aesthetics. Graphical fidelity and texture detail is obviously better in Infinite but honestly not by the large amount you'd expect to see from a next gen title.

[@trinitussancti6448]

Zac PS yeah, I completely agree with you there. I think they should’ve just made Halo Infinite only play on PC/Xbox Series X and not the og xbox one (and maybe the xbox one x depending on how well it could run the game if it looked better).

[@SIDNITE12]

To answer the question ''Did it look current-gen?' - no, it looked last gen

[@Jona69]

That's your memory playing tricks on you. Old games you remember as beautiful aren't that great looking if you actually look at them again.

[@yme3267]

@@Jona69 goes back and plays infamous second son...... lmao..... ok..... Plays killzone shadow fall..... lmao..... ok...... Uncharted 4....... last to us 2....... Ghost of tushima (which does have texture and pop ins)

[@beenjammin3523]

@@yme3267 Those aren't last gen games. Those are current gen.

[@yme3267]

@@beenjammin3523 *which..... is now last gen* they're seven year old games running on extremely dated hardware. Why do SEVEN year old games on an inferior device look better than Halo they just presented? To answer: you can't logically give me a reason why. It's inexcusable. Laughable honestly. Sincerely, A f*cking 4th architecture student (because I know what actual quality is and how this stuff is made)

[@gamersbarbershop]

The Guy With a Y how the fuck is ghost a 7 year old game if it just came out? Also these games will have PS5 versions and they’ll look 10x as good, and they already look fantastic as they are. Also i agree with you there’s no excuse for why Halo Infinite looks so dated, even if they’re making a call back to the OG Halos

[@squand3r]

what strikes me the most is the complete absence of particle effects, compared to Destiny it almost looks prosaic

[@Spartan-sz7km]

There are alot of effects but I think the fast-pace and other graphical problems cause you not to notice. Notice the shield pops when elites shields are broken, when the banished drop pods come in, play it at 0.5% and you can see alot of effects and detail

[@randybradley4151]

Destiny is made by Bungie and Halo sadly isn't. @Edric Yeo Sure there might be a lot of effects but they are not crazy over the top and don't scream next gen like Destiny 2 does.

[@nutmalone5527]

Destiny 2 looks so much better ( and also plays better )

[@KnucklesWTD]

The gun model look bad too

[@ThisHandleSystemCanGetNicked]

@@nutmalone5527 Sorry, but when did this game release?

[@ADOS_DSGB]

Now I know why sports games like football, soccer, and baseball look worse when played in indoor stadiums.

[@frederikandersen8402]

Well, not exactly. In the indoor stadiums there are always many direct light sources. There really isn't much indirect lighting.

[@KizaruB]

The geometry looks quite rudimentary. The terrain looks quite flat and featureless. The grass looks like empty green textures because they cast no shadows. The textures are also unimpressive, even in sunlight.

[@Enigmatism415]

The faces looks especially primitive.

[@aZeddPrattFilm]

All of this is great information. However, I’m a fashion photographer... we love golden hour. If you can’t make your game look good at golden hour you’ve got a huge problem. Your Reach example... though truthful... Reach looks excellent. They need to add strong shadows and I think adding contrast would help. The game needs ray tracing.

[@codethis2875]

The game needs a whole lot more than ray tracing, there are huge issues like LOD switching and pop-in, there are barely any physics or particle effects, materials look bad.

[@randybradley4151]

The game needs more than ray tracing. They need the boys of Bungie back.

[@petewalklett352]

Agree with this. If you cant make the lighting look absolutely magnificent on a world set on a giant planet-sized ring at sunset on next gen hardware then theres a big issue.

[@ZacDonald]

Golden hour is a worst case scenario for any game engine. For all the reasons stated in this video, it show cases poor global illumination and ambient occlusion. Long shadows are still and issue even with baked lighting, generally the longer and the softer the shadows are, the more artifacts start popping up, aliasing, bias issues, banding, etc.

[@uhoh6706]

I just love how the Brutes are just :( the entire time

[@RomeHam]

More like :|

[@bigmikegaming1583]

More like, 🤬

[@codrin8606]

@@bigmikegaming1583 no

[@ericdasilva4514]

Ide be :| if i had to fight master chief

[@Vexonia_Music]

Craig is Monke

[@cristiangonzalez6968]

8:00 the brute in direct lighting still looks awful

[@edgarp66]

CRISTIAN GONZALEZ YES I could not look at it for long it just looked off!

[@jamesgrey785]

It will look even uglier with raytracing enabled.

[@WindWolf28]

"The brute" is called Craig.

[@wb3123]

lol they have lego plastic armor omg

[@hadriangonzalez607]

The teeth on the brute look like a terrible Photoshop addition.. Like they a layer of gloss to them that makes them stick out more than they should.

[@harrylane4]

"lighting" doesn't excuse the atrocious pop-in

[@Dlo2018]

Even I noticed it

[@itsblankuo1628]

Resolution does, have you even watched the video bruh?

[@A5tr0101]

Most games pop in

[@KizaruB]

Its blankuo it just shows how misguided their goal for native 4k was. I’d take reconstructed 4k over native any day if it benefits the game’s immersion.

[@coolsmile8414]

@ChadRacer It looks like a halo fan game made in unreal

[@NightWanderer31415]

The time of day doesn't excuse the pop-in, low quality textures and low polygon character models.

[@FOXmateusGamer]

12 tflops: am i a jake to you ?????

[@starshape6650]

Nobody said it excuses it though

[@Elias_g1]

No one said that !

[@andrewjazdzyk1215]

Textures and character models were BOTH explained in the video

[@matrix9452]

Agree, video totally biased to keep that good relationship with Microsoft

[@TharusPSN]

sure the lighting... but I was also wondering why the reveal trailer has 100x more trees, much more realistic sized mountains, a extreme boost to view distance rendering, dynamic lights lighting up everything, volumetric light shafts, dynamic physics from just an animal walking, intense weather effects.... why is there none of that. Is anything even in the game anymore. Why demo such a plain moment if all of that still exists.

[@daringintrovert]

Next gen graphics and power are counter to what gaming is all about. Flat, last gen rendering is inclusive

[@theichi4135]

@@daringintrovert Lol

[@mdfk6]

because in engine

[@ganyeungazi9129]

What he is on about is exactly dynamic light if not superior than dynamic lighting. And the textures design was mostly for ray-tracing, hence the bland and flat look to Halo Infinite. Btw, it's early build, who cares.

[@markus9641]

They have to make the game scale across OG Xbox One to Series X. I think its bullshit, why let your beautiful new technology be dragged down by 2013 hardware?

[@SamArmstrong-DrSammyD]

Can you contrast this with the 2018 slipspace engine announcement trailer, and tell us what's missing from that now?

[@jamesgrey785]

No

[@MetalSupporter95]

@@jamesgrey785 lol

[@FootOfOrion]

YES dude

[@janus798]

I noticed the indirect IBL issue on the rhino stampede when the first trailer launched. The models & dust particles are in shadow but are lit uniformly by the light probes.

[@Blox117]

no wonder 343 hasnt showed any gameplay footage lately till now, they are deliberately covering up their incompetence

[@SparkY0]

Halo Infinite is proof that Next Gen is backward compatible to PS3

[@liar6371]

😆

[@consumerproductions8448]

The ps3 could probably run that shit at 4k 60.

[@Prythin]

Most ps5 games could run on PS3: little big planet, ratchet and clank, spiderman could in 30 FPS on PS4. What was Sony thinking?

[@TheColdBloodedGamerS]

@@Prythin Boi, did your mom ever told you to stop crack?

[@andersonsmiths7437]

Stop insulting ps3 graphics, The last of us looks amazing

[@ambush1242]

The textures pop in on the elevator at 1:36 lol. This trailer was a mess.

[@jpcjoinery6345]

yep, pop in is the thing i was hoping to see less of next gen, not shelling out 4-500 for texture pop in

[@YourPalHDee]

There's one a few seconds before too, God that's so fucking cringe.

[@pretentiousarrogance3614]

Skyrim level pop in yeesh

[@ThePokestopPapi]

Its almost like they wanted us to see the pop-in Thats how bad it was, lol

[@DoodlingHitman]

@@jpcjoinery6345 if there's one thing i hate, it is seeing those pop-ins. they're an annoying distractions and just takes you out of the immersion too.

[@gavindixon15]

I’m amazed no one has mentioned that Chiefs armor is designed almost exactly how it appears in HALO LEGENDS

[@imcnblu]

I think it's because of how much better the visuals of that decade old movie are than this brand new game. Kind of hard to tell, lol.

[@gavindixon15]

imcnblu it’s just and old build for the demo, I wouldn’t bandwagon too hard until the final release is around or atleast some trailers showing newer builds.

[@MrBurtbackerack]

They have, saw that reference lots when the first trailers were released like last year and 2018

[@imcnblu]

@@gavindixon15 ×××DISCLAIMER: The way I type and compose replies can often appear rude or condescending. Please note that I'm not intending to argue or be disrespectful towards you or anyone.××× With all due respect, there's no way that's an old build of the game. This close to launch, they _SHOULD_ be showing a much more recent representation of the game. If, by chance, it _is_ an older build, they made a *big* mistake by showing that footage during an event that's intended to build hype and drive sales for a new system coming out in a few months. After the colossal flop that was their game showcase from a few months ago, they had a lot to prove with this presentation. Most of this presentation was relatively decent, I'll give them that. Not great, but a little better than their last one. But their presentation of Halo, Xbox's flagship franchise, they absolutely dropped the ball in every way imaginable.

[@xSoulhunterDKx]

imcnblu as they stated: due to corona it wasn’t possible to show the current state in a polished way and that’s not 343 exclusive. Many studios currently struggle with this stuff right now. Working from home isn’t easy to do as an dev team

[@UserInterface00]

Microsoft using the wrong game to promote Xbox Series X. Halo Infinite’s graphics did not look next gen regardless of art style. They should put Flight Simulator 2020 as their go to marketing game. Now that is next gen graphics worthy.

[@marcusmalone]

Lol, bad sign for launch if your flagship title is suoer niche MS Flight Sim 2020.

[@thenovice3602]

I think Hellblade 2 is going to be the definitive next-gen game for a long, long time, probably until Sony creates a new God of War (which god knows when that will come.) I think Halo Infinite would honestly look AMAZING if it was just a Series X exclusive. It’s clear that it’s being held back a lot by the severely outdated Xbox One. But oh well; it is a Halo game after all, and Halo is better known for good gameplay over graphics, and that’s something I think Halo Infinite has regardless of how poor the lighting and graphics are. Let’s just hope they polish at least some things before it launches 5 months from now.

[@Giac_of_all_trades]

@@thenovice3602 that Hellblade 2 e3 presentation was insane yes, but remember: Xbox wont take the generation leap, which means they'll develop Hellblade 2 for current gen consoles too, just as theyre doing with Halo. I highly doubt Ninja Theory makes two different games, one with current gen quality and other with next gen. Ray tracing and 60fps on an already beautiful looking game can really justify the new console, but it wont be the "definitive next gen game" as you put it.

[@duncanself5111]

Even calling that current gen is insulting to the rest of the industry tbh

[@PSXBOX-lz1zq]

thats if Ninja Theory is consistent with their quality, because that studio is also a hit or miss when it comes to quality, especially now that microsoft already calls the shots, and we know that quality control doesnt even exist in Microsoft Game Studios!!!

[@Tyijl]

343’s first ever game won an award for its graphics... did they just forget how they did that? 😂

[@get_spanked240]

No, assholes like late night gaming gave really bad feedback, albeit some of it good, but mostly bad game design ideology.

[@SLAD3]

Get_Spanked lng loved halo 4 tf you talking about But I do agree he’s a bit of an asshole

[@HDGamergr]

They loved these graphics so much they kept using them to this day 😂

[@get_spanked240]

SLAD3 sorry what does Itn mean?

[@danielledesma69]

Rated T don’t waste your time.

[@broke123]

This gameplay just looks like a PC remastered version of the first game. Not getting "next gen" vibes from it

[@Imprisoned1995]

How much better can graphics really get?

[@mokebeastie13]

Yeah but it's 60fps in 4k. You would need like a $1200 PC to get that

[@poopedonyourchest799]

@@Imprisoned1995 look at other games graphics. These are crap

[@itriyum]

@@mokebeastie13 its actually 4k 30 fps...

[@mokebeastie13]

@@itriyum no it's 60

[@elysiumcore]

Lighting is only one of the many issues, where are the particles effects? why are the character models so terrible? The environment looks lifeless..look at the trees: no variety, no movement/reaction to air - physics, the characters lack weight, the gun sounds are terrible - don't get me started on the nasty pop up @7:02 - Put this game back in the oven. or delay it indefinitely

[@slasaru]

I agree with you but if you remember Halo 1, Halo Reach and some others - all their first levels look very simplistic. Especially Halo: CE. The only difference is Halo 3 where the very first level gets additional lighting and details treatment. The rest levels look much better. This is a actually bad practice for Halos and I really don't like it.

[@rosanagillespie9590]

He won’t address those, he’s trying to act like lighting is the only problem going on here. No surprise from an Xbox Era Discord member.

[@GigglingStoners]

Exactly, the video is useless, since he didnt address any of the other issues.

[@GarryTheGluestick]

@@GigglingStoners "...he didnt address any of the other issues" It is plainly evident that you didn't watch the whole video.

[@doomed2obscurity666]

@@slasaru dude this is supposed to be next gen. We want better than this trash

[@lordrikudouzero9119]

On speaking about lighting techniques: “It will take a second to understand but once you do it will be enlightening” nice pun!👍🏾

[@SirJohnnyFPS]

Yeah Alex is DF's pun conoisseur

[@smilesthenarrator]

WarriYahTruth YO THAT’S CRAZY, but nobody...asked

[@BluEx22329]

@@smilesthenarrator relax

[@smilesthenarrator]

Mr. Bobby Wright you right my bad

[@latoyaharris2005]

@@ImDallasGonzales facts halo community is annoying

[@Boolio638]

I litterally don’t give a shit about 4K. It’s like dvds and blue ray. It’s negligible for all the hype people make of it. If it’s gonna take away performance and loading object no shadows and blood splatter and we all know this game is going to be like 75gb on the hard drive. It’s not worth it. This is litterally a million dollar budget game. And it’s not acceptable.

[@ghostlandered]

To be honest 1440 is such a step up from 1080, and games should have spent the the past 5 years catering to 1440 instead of 4k. However we skippid a resolution and now games struggle to play in 4k instead of running great at 1440, we should have realistically just now started to aim for 4k gaming

[@chrisfaille4774]

A million dollar budget??? It's a 500 million dollar budget lol

[@SayakMajumder]

16:25 Damn, Crysis 3 still looks so gooood!

[@thesprawl2361]

The pop-in on those mountains at 1:36 was just...I mean, I've never been that bothered by pop-in, I'm not someone who scours it down in games in order to point it out. But this was a *game reveal trailer* ffs, this was meant to be a small section of the game curated to show of the oomph of the new console and the brilliance of the game's visuals. It was meant to drop jaws. And it sort of did, but for the wrong reasons. It was just shocking to me. From the very first second of the gameplay trailer, seeing that horrible, rubbery model of the guy's face, the guy who helps Master Chief, I knew there was something wrong. Absolutely shocking incompetence from MS all-round really.

[@ThePokestopPapi]

Dude looked like Woody from Toy Story, but as a human with a beard.

[@lukemcdonald8806]

nice pfp bro

[@thesprawl2361]

@@lukemcdonald8806 Cheers mate. It's started getting noticed a lot more recently for some reason, don't know why.

[@thesprawl2361]

@Shaman Xeed Grow up kid.

[@thesprawl2361]

@@GawainSSB I can't think of much from Sony recently that's been downgraded or looked inferior to the trailers and gameplay reels. It's more something I'd lay at the feet of Ubisoft or Activision. Sony are extremely reliable when it comes to the technical quality of their games and the verisimilitude.of their pre-release trailers.

[@lestat2295]

Nice to know that they're still making game's for the 360

[@Jean-jk4zv]

🤣

[@sonsofrock12]

burnn

[@nebulai9587]

Lmmmaaaaaaooooo

[@theholt2ic219]

Shit for reals the new halo doesn’t look that much better than reach which came out 10 years ago 😧lol

[@tacobread3]

It just doesn’t look good man. There really is no excuse for it.

[@Vyshnav-di5me]

except that the game will not come out in like an year fro this demo

[@leonthesleepy]

I think the disappointment can be summed up like this. It looks meh for a current gen game, and absolutely dreadful for a next gen show case.

[@xfrostbite935x9]

As long as it has to work on the OG X1 Microsoft’s damn games won’t look next gen

[@codethis2875]

@@xfrostbite935x9 The issue is it was running on a high end PC, likely with an RTX 2080~ If that's the gamestate with this power, I think this game is dead on arrival

[@alus992]

It's amazing that MS is trying to force us to think that this game is developed with new hardware in mind while it clearly is not. It's gimped from the start by old tech that has to support this game. This game looks so bland that's is not even funny...

[@xfrostbite935x9]

Code This I don’t care about the multiplayer and Halo never gets story DLC in the main games anyway so if this game is 10-15 hours or longer semiopen world and it’s fun I’ll like it

[@xfrostbite935x9]

Code This Other people’s opinions on the game mean nothing to me anyway as long as me and my friends have fun that’s all that matters

[@TheGreatMunky]

The effects don't just look opaque, they look like 2D sprites. It's terrible.

[@DerpyHoovesy]

Pretty much all particle effects in games are 2D sprites. :P

[@aegyobot1923]

it looks like the shaders broke

[@kiwihub6454]

A lot of effects in video games are using 2D textures, for example in video games fire is only an animated 2D texture. Because fluid simulation is very heavy for CPU's that console don't have.

[@Vidyadude]

Yeah, this is supposed to be next-gen. I was expecting some kind of simulation for such effects.

[@yaminnather521]

@@DerpyHoovesy he made a fool out of himself lol

[@Mohammadkwt]

The graphics looked muddy, specially on the facial expression of the characters..

[@connorbaz5980]

Part of that might also be the awful Depth of Field effect in that scene, but even with that off...it'd look awful regardless.

[@KOSAMAGAMES]

It looks like Reach which I honestly love. I never liked the "realistic" overly "detailed" looked 4/5 were approaching.

[@Mohammadkwt]

John Stamos it’s a fact. A game that’s been in development for a very long time shouldn’t look like this. Graphics is something important in halo since Combat Evolved. Even 343 understood that immediately. That slips space engine better live to its name as they showed its demo.

[@vishnusafaya8460]

@@ImDallasGonzales Why do we have to chose one of the two. It's my favorite gaming franchise ever. When there are current gen games which are open world, cross platform which look way better and have great gameplay (Red Dead Redemption 2 is one example), why shouldn't this game have the same quality? Why should I settle for anything less?

[@lc9245]

John Stamos don’t worry, I’m not concerned about graphic at all. I’m much more concerned about gameplay. If it’s open world sandbox, it had to do something fun like Far Cry did. Else it would be the simple shooting gameplay loop of Halo and the similar environment over and over again, of which I might just get on a Banshee and blast the ground until it’s clear. I’m not sure they understand why Halo has always been set pieces and limited open world. Hopefully, they either learned or it’s actually not open world.

[@Baleur]

0:40 no thats not it at all. Its not because its not using baked lighting. Star Citizen has gorgeous sunset scenes. No baked sunlight / shadowmap either. Horizon Zero Dawn has gorgeous sunset scenes, with shadowed areas that have detail. Same with Witcher 3. Same with Super Mario World for cryin out loud. GTA5. RDR2.

[@gu3z185]

Super Mario World for the SNES uses dynamic lighting? Wow!

[@duckfield2520]

Give me amazing detail and lighting at 1080p any day over 4k with no detail.

[@sphinx9517]

Even 1440

[@BestKCL]

*_UNIMAGINATIVE MATERIALS_*

[@chrisd8180]

1080p????? Dude you obviously dont own a monitor or TV capable of 3840X2160. Now 1440p with full details over 2160p with not much details YES, BUT NOT 1080P MAN, its seriously outdated. I havent looked at a 1920X1080 resolution in 4-5 years

[@KillahMate]

I dunno, 1080p is too low. 1440p reconstructed to 4K tends to be the best balance of sharpness and quality.

[@MHWGamer]

@@chrisd8180 having an actual capable 4k 120hz TV, playing on just 1080p but with 120hz is way better than 4k at 60. The difference isn't that huge in a game that needs your attention. For a tv player aka someone who doesn't sit right in front of the monitor 1080p with superb graphics and 120hz is better than this 4k60 halo mess

[@c331hunt]

Some of the pop in is unbelievable considering this is the world's most powerful console. This looks far from ready for release.

[@alexbogl7358]

This was a PC build. Has nothing to do with the Xbox.

[@c331hunt]

@@alexbogl7358 that's even more worrying that they can't showing it running in native hardware when the console is due for launch in 4 months...

[@gomezwardulus4192]

Phughster 911 I completely agree, imagine if lg were meant to show of there newest OLED tv and instead they showed Sony’s and then tried to say no no no it’s all about the movie we were showing you! Ridiculous

[@reggiefreeborn2143]

6 month old build according to ms and insiders

[@cedricr9441]

Unfortunately, the pop in is disapppointing but the stutters as well that are clearly visible here and there in the trailer, especially at the beginning when the player looks upwards and pan from left to right...

[@tobydion3009]

Ghost of Tsushima looks like art at low light situations that you'd see in that Halo demo. In fact you might be itching to take a screen shot because of the low sun and a dramatic arrangement of flowers, water, and wildlife.

[@tobydion3009]

​@Z3U5 “Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man...” ― The Big Lebowski

[@matrix9452]

Yeah, and they nitpicked all over GoT, but this video is all explanations to this game graphics on a 12TF machine.

[@andrewjazdzyk1215]

GoT also runs at 30fps and doesn't support co-OP play. And unfortunately I think that "built from the ground up for xsx" is a bit of a lie on Microsoft's side.

[@AL2009man]

@Z3U5 yeah, let's compare a Battle Royale/Survival game to a Open-World Action-Adventure Game... and, "low detailed blurry texture like Fortnite" is a insult considering the Travis Scott event happened two months ago, and Fortnite is a very saleable game across Computers to Phones...a Unreal Engine 4-powered game, by the way. (and I participated Travis Scott Event.)

[@justathan8257]

@Z3U5 Why so salty? Ghost of Tsushima looks miles better than this "next gen" crap. Buggy animations? Dude, are you trying to compare GoT animations with the shit animations on the Halo Infinite gameplay? LMAO

[@TheMrDemonized]

You put 18 minutes to talk about shadows and pbr materials, yet you completely missed horrible objects popin, bad texture quality, atrocious minecraft mountains with like 5 polygons each, complete absent of environment animations and interactions. What you said is the least of problems

[@jackyvanmarsenille8547]

Looks like they "forgot" to talk about that stuff on purpose

[@Shadowdane]

They should really delay this game into 2021 to fix a lot of these issues before it launches. I get the feeling if they stick to the original schedule it's going to launch in a pretty poor state.

[@WillOnCode]

It’s called a demo they are already fixing it the game is still in Development

[@50centpb7]

I'm getting some Mass Effect Andromeda vibes from all of this.

[@pablovasquez83]

@@WillOnCode in 4 months they'll do a full rehaul of graphics, animation, design, etc? You honestly believe that? If you do, I know a nigerian prince that needs your help...

[@86Fallowcp]

@@pablovasquez83 Animations and designs already look good, tho?

[@yokai1235]

so remember halo 2 e3 demo and how it looked better than the game because bungie worked more on the demo than the game this is probably the opposite and the game will probably be better after all demo is never the same as the final version

[@eliteh8597]

This is so poor, Microsoft's strategy is bad. Having cross gen games means you cannot fully utilize the premier console. The fact this is suppose to be a launch game therefore out in around 4 months. There is no way they can address all the issues in time.

[@cyco7229]

yeah, it's a baffling decision, they said it would be cross gen for the first couple of years but fuck that, you buy a console at launch expecting to take advantage of it's benefits immediately, not two years later!

[@boygenius538_8]

Games as a service, they don’t care as long as you buy game pass and xcloud. Whether you have PC, or Xbox

[@kingmanic]

It's likely the mandate to support the xbox one. Still holding back all xbox games. They're hoping the windows like support of older systems will be a market differentiation with the cost being most xbox game will be worse looking until they drop xbox one support.

[@RAGEdredd]

@@cyco7229 I just hope this comes on pc fast

[@KeithEngel]

Did you even watch any of the video or videos? This game was meant to release earlier as an Xbox One Only title to begin with, and was never being developed with the XSX in mind in the first place....The game got delayed due to the negative feedback that Halo 5 got so they went and delayed the game to work on it more.

[@marcusmalone]

Feel like I've made this comments too many times at this point, but MS really handicapped series x with the baffling decision to tie its flagship exclusives to super old xbone tech.

[@heeroheero8844]

LMAO where in the video it says that? Series X comes with hard-ware ray tracing, 343 have not implemented it however at least not for 4k.

[@NRG_Ghostman]

Wrong

[@sugarray1345]

marcusmalone Absolutely right bro. We’ll never see what the Series X is really capable of for at least a couple of years when Series X exclusives can be developed. A totally bonkers decision by Microsoft. 🙈

[@MrKuncol]

Which other MS flagship first party game will be available on XOne?

[@MrKuncol]

@angrytacos That was in development before MS finalized specs for XBoxOneX.

[@stokeswait1984]

Dude the pop in is horrible! Their is no wind blowing the trees or grass dynamic type weather! This game to me looks pretty bland! I mean I guess it could be because of the xbox one's infiror hardware, software. I guess the Xbox one could be holding it back!

[@jsut2809]

It wasn’t ran on the xbox one, they used a custom built pc

[@get_spanked240]

@@jsut2809 Yeah but it still could have been the "xbox one" version. Supposedly all console game demos are run on pc's.

[@codethis2875]

@@get_spanked240 Fake news.... they clearly stated that it was representative of Series X gameplay, running on PC with similar specs.

[@INRamos13]

The pop in on the grass is absolutely awful. Xbox 360 quality.

[@co8783]

@@jsut2809 every desktop PC is custom built what are you talking about?