Halo Infinite Season 2: Are The Tech Issues Finally Fixed? PC, Xbox Series S/X Re-Tested!

Halo Infinite was rough around the edges on release with animation issues, frame-pacing woes and extra problems in cutscenes. Some issues were tackled post-launch, but it's with the release of the Season 2 patch that some long-standing issues have finally been resolved. Alex Battaglia and John Linneman investigate.
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[@LateNightHalo]

It’s really irritating how long the game has been allowed to exist in such a poorly optimized state. It took over half a year to fix fundamental presentation issues like the animation playback rate and even then-frame pacing is still buggy and facial animations still look so choppy

[@AdnanAhmed]

Exactly.

[@TSL73]

Purty much

[@curryking1]

halo mcc took several years just to include all the games and then even more time to add the missing original graphics effects from halo 1, this is nothing new from 343 or halo management right now sadly

[@alanlee67]

Still better than battlefield

[@Kubose]

343 has gotten way too comfortable releasing half baked products and fixing them over the course of their lifespan. Its really frustrating how they keep kneecapping everything they put out

[@mikem2253]

This is wild. Microsoft built Dx12. Built Windows and Xbox. And yet this game is in the state that it is in. Its absolutely mind blowing.

[@bingobongo1615]

RTX 3080 and I7 and I played it for 2 hours then shut it off. Couldnt deal with frame drops around 80 FPS to less than 30fps (in 1440p...) when certain effects or animations played, couldnt deal with the game not even feeling fluid at close to 120 fps. what did they do here? Seeing how they busted Halo 2 on the Xbox series X after it was super smooth and never fixed it my ill will towards 343 just grows and grows. What are they doing to the franchise? Awful storylines, half finished games and technical issues and baffling decisions (halo 5 60 fps on xbox one... looks like a xbox game but at least its 60 fps...)

[@jakkudemoff3043]

@@teamdoa yeah... Phil Spencer - - I haven't been happy with nearly anything he's done for Xbox including continuing the decade long Xbox problem of having no games and i haven't touched my Gamepass in months -

[@thedude8128]

Xbox is trash That's why. How much proof do you need? Been 10 yrs of this. This is actually the definition of insanity. Y'all keep buying into Phil's horseshit thinking he's gonna show you a better result. This game was Phil's baby. He put so much into this game and look at it. This speaks volumes for what Xbox does to its gamers. Its really sad people got grifted into buying a series s. Phil's a POS

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

@@jakkudemoff3043 and people praise that absolute con man

[@jakkudemoff3043]

@@TristanTheVRGamecat i know it's ridiculous

[@oktusprime3637]

Imagine if this game was released in December 2020 as original planned. This game needed to be delayed by 2 years.

[@TheDomLouis]

And Starfield is unfortunately travelling down the same road.

[@lasseegebo3239]

@@TheDomLouis whats up with starfield?

[@mobaby1979]

Original take

[@ShadyPaperclips]

@@lasseegebo3239 Bethesda

[@nobody13o7]

@@TheDomLouis starfield it won't matter. Bethesda fans will give the typical "mods will fix this" excuse. Meamwhile base fallout 3 you STILL cant alt tab without the game crashing.

[@mightylink65]

It looks like Halo Infinite's development is coming along... I can't wait for it to come out of alpha!

[@KosOrSomeSayKosmo]

LOL

[@JulioHernandez-nn8oz]

If halo is alfa ... hirizon pre alpha 🤡

[@heebs9728]

Yep......guess I'll check back in a year. I've yet to play this.

[@nexxusty]

Hahahaha. Love this. Made me smile really hard.

[@nexxusty]

@@heebs9728 You're missing nothing. This game is absolutely the worst release I've ever seen. In a year it might be ok.

[@kishaloyb.7937]

I want 343 to implement FSR 2.0 in this game. I personally think the game will benefit from this a lot since FSR 2.0 also supports Dynamic/Adaptive resolution scaling that this game uses all the time to reach it's target fps. FSR 2.0 will greatly improve the image quality at lower resolutions, and will also improve image stability.

[@itsd0nk]

It’s already using something relatively equivalent, internally. It’s probably not as good as FSR, but the difference wouldn’t really be that huge since it’s already doing reconstruction on everything that you see.

[@kishaloyb.7937]

@@itsd0nk yes, Halo Infinite already uses a temporal upscaler internally, but at low resolutions, the image starts to look like an oil painting, not to mention the blurry-ness. FSR 2.0 on the other hand, does quite well at low resolutions, in terms of image reconstruction, stability and clarity.

[@itsd0nk]

@@kishaloyb.7937 I think, as they stated in the video, this has a lot to do with the VRS.

[@existentialselkath1264]

I completely agree. This games TAA looks really good for screenshots, but as soon as you start moving it breaks down completely. I tried setting my resolution to a fixed 6k (at about 5fps, and I could still see it break down on my 1440p monitor when I turned the camera. Resolution is almost irrelevant at this point because it always ends up breaking down during motion, no matter what

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@itsd0nk VRS isn't on pc, and its still a problem there

[@ultimablackmage]

Nice to see some of my pet peevs addressed, but that broken VRR & 30 fps facial animation still being there along with the frame stutters... really makes it hard to want to replay it on top of the lack of multiplayer modes. Maybe by 2023, the game will finally be done & we can enjoy a true AAA experience.

[@matacachorro4090]

2023? Better forget this game

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Yeah it'll be a full game at the end of 2023. Then it will be great

[@dave7474]

2024 and the game has only regressed

[@merk2364]

I cant quite wrap my head around how this game launched with the amount of issues it had much less how many of these issues are still around. I really wish we could get an inside view of what the hell was actually being done during all that time.

[@alivingturnip.9288]

Simple. 343 are incompetent idiots.

[@CH-bn7qb]

The inside view was all about how they can implement micro transactions and how much they can get people to pay for an armour colour actual game performance and bugs are an after thought

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

Game was built with gamepass in mind all they did was talk about how they could make money and did nothing except give Craig a mohawk , joke of a game

[@alivingturnip.9288]

@@TristanTheVRGamecat Well we did at least get a decent meme and great ost out of it.

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

@@alivingturnip.9288 True if as much effort that was put into the soundtrack was put into rest of game might have got something decent

[@87crimson]

Let's talk about the elephant in the room first. Is the game still a CPU hog on PC? Does the frame rate go to hell once you get to the open world despite the game running at 30 fps on 9 year old jaguar cores on the Xbox one?

[@phosphor112]

I had no issues, but I also have a 5600x.

[@UttRConcrete]

I’m using a 6800XT play on max settings at a 32:9 ratio. I keep the frame rate locked at 60 and use Radeon Chill so I can keep my GPU temps at 70-80s.

[@blightviolin7322]

what cpu do you have? do you play with xbox one lods and settings?

[@MicaelWander]

You mean gpu hog, right?

[@omarcomming722]

@@MicaelWander Yeah it's way worse on the GPU in the open world from my experience. Running at 4k with a 3080 and a 5600x

[@EposVox]

I noted when I was testing the HD60 X with VRR, Halo Infinite in multiplayer would just constantly bounce between 120 and 60fps, which explains the judder. SUPER strange

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

They just not very good devs dude poor optimisation for a poor attempt at a game , plus that and the series consoles arnt living up to they claims

[@andegallagher6645]

Think that has some thing to do with v sync I remember years ago a game would do that on my pc once went under 60 it would shoot all the way down to 30 it was a pain in ass.

[@dr._breens_beard]

@@andegallagher6645 it CAN be a vsync issue, but even when it is the problem is still garbage-tier programmers.

[@swag858]

The weapon animations like the sentinel turrets also remain 30fps unfortunately.

[@JamieRobert_]

Because the series x can’t handle this game that well

[@miltonbates6425]

@@JamieRobert_ FUD

[@JamieRobert_]

@@DeadPhoenix86DP it’s to do with compromises to get a better fps, it’s a last gen game

[@TheBean87]

@@JamieRobert_ nah it’s definitely the game not the system.

[@JamieRobert_]

@@DeadPhoenix86DP the series s is weak so they had to keep parity across all platforms

[@WadeVillines]

i was losing my mind trying to get this game running smoothly at 120 fps with VRR. i wish i had seen this video first. thanks for the work you guys do

[@sean7332]

wish we had more weather effects in the campaign

[@IGOBYTHENAMELOVE]

Yea very lazy and uninspiring

[@woopdedo7939]

they said they will add more

[@PHOBIAx57x]

Rain would be so moody! I’d love some dynamic weather. Maybe modders can make it happen

[@IGOBYTHENAMELOVE]

@@PHOBIAx57x shit even a sandstorm

[@SpeedsterBlur]

We'll see rain in the forge mode at the least.

[@Wogle]

Whilst it's good they're fixing these technical issues, my problem with Halo Infinite is they still haven't delivered the content they said would be included when the game was originally supposed to launch in 2020.

[@LRon-ef7ni]

That’s really the issue for me, and when people joke about the game being incomplete, for me, it isn’t about the bugs, it’s the lack of content

[@PCGGC]

6 MONTHS after release they FINALLY fixed the broken sound on pc... Surround even works! Now if only they'd have Forge, Horde mode and coop campaign like they promised

[@Wylie288]

Those were never promised at launch. They were only ever promised to be in beta at the end of season 2.

[@mitchellp7739]

@@Wylie288 coop was promised for 3 months after launch and forge 6 months. So sucking off 343

[@KefazX]

I find it so weird that this game has these issues. It's basically the Xbox's flagship game series, and Microsoft have been in the forefront in the console space when it comes to features like VRR and such. Yet one their own most important games has VRR problems that no other game has.

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

Vrr isn't anything ground breaking it just covers up poor optimisation besides your TV needs to actually support it shouldn't have to go out and buy a TV with your console just for it to function properly, and you gotta expect these issues when ya getting everything on gamepass there's no incentive to make a good product people are already paying , before devs had to make a good game worth the cost so PEOPLE WOULD BUY IT! Now it's how can we continue to make money from these games that people already automatically have (answer: lower the cost of development or increase monetisation ) and seeing how greedy Xbox is they will and have done both

[@KefazX]

​@@TristanTheVRGamecat I know VRR isn't anything new. But before Halo Infinite I had personally never experienced or even read about any game having issues with VRR, on my xbox or PC. And since MS was the first of the console manufacturers to implement it, I would never have guessed that the first ever game I come across with VRR issues would be a first party MS game.

[@sadgiantsfan3690]

343 and Mojang absolutely have no business being as successful as they are with how terrible they are at keeping promises and delivering on decent optimization. I really can't believe two of Microsoft's top three studios are this incompetent.

[@xproflipscarab]

@@sadgiantsfan3690 Same here man ... I can not fucking fathom how 343i are still employed...

[@sadgiantsfan3690]

@@xproflipscarab it's mind boggling. They develop games for one franchise only. Bethesda at least has an excuse of developing three different franchises with Elder Scrolls, Fallout and now Starfield. Along with other game sand franchises being under their umbrella. 343 has one responsibility and they consistently come up short. It wouldn't surprise me if 343 and Mojang share an office and that's why the work they never get work done.

[@David-nd4to]

Loved the singleplayer, I enjoy the multiplayer. But there are fundamental problems 343 needs to adjust

[@existentialselkath1264]

Honestly, I still just really want an improved anti aliasing option. Whether or not you like TAA, it's fairly obvious infinite has a terrible implementation of it. It blurs absolutely everything (especially foliage) as soon as you start moving at all. This game has really nice and clean textures and assets, but it all looks really muddy and blobby in motion. I've resorted to rendering at native, upscaling to a dldsr resolution of 4k, and have dldsr downscale back to 1440p to get a relatively clear image, and it's still not as good as it should be

[@goob8945]

Ay ay ay that is a hassle lol

[@bulutcagdas1071]

Have you tried some shaders from ReSahde? I can sometimes get better AA using a combination of experimental AA+sharpening shaders compared to native TAA in some games.

[@brett20000000009]

Just give us the ability to turn it off at least, I don't care if the game looks jaggy. temporal stability at the cost of motion clarity is an overrated meme

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@bulutcagdas1071 I use reshade a lot, but it can't bring back all the detail the TAA takes away. Reshade has some great anti aliasing options if you can turn off the in game AA, but infinite doesn't let you do that so the best option I've found is the dldsr technique I mentioned before

[@bulutcagdas1071]

@@existentialselkath1264 Oh I didn't realize the game wouldn't let you turn it off. That really sucks then. I had the same issue with Metro Exedous where it doesn't let you turn off the TAA, but you can change the config files to force it off. But if you do that some of the rendering messes up and crashes the game. Maybe it's something like that in Halo Infinite as well.

[@itsd0nk]

I was one of those guys who noticed Halo 3’s frame time issues. It broke my heart because I was such a die hard Halo 1 & 2 fan. I simply could never play Halo 3 for more than a couple minutes before it started hurting my eyes and brain. People thought I was crazy back then too. I used to describe it as “Halo 1 and 2 had perfectly smooth and perfectly stable 30fps performance. Halo 3 doesn’t. It’s stuttering all the time. Every single second.”

[@Murphy46]

Well, halo 1 and 2 are xbox original games, Halo 3 is the first Halo in xbox360, and the first is "hd"(despite 640p).

[@AstralPhnx]

Bad frame pacing is just... OOOOOF. It can really kill a game for me

[@Freehotdawgs]

The devs should be embarrassed at how badly the game is built on a technical level. It's really awful.

[@outofahat9363]

ikr? it has no business running this poorly given how it looks

[@antoniohill4451]

It's the xbox one base not the devs xbox series are build different its no way to make this game on a next gen lvl until base xbox has nothing to do with it

[@antoniohill4451]

It's crazy with all this info on why games run like this on the next gen system and yall still don't understand

[@Jenkers-li4dm]

apparently it is the most expensive game of ALL TIME. The devs should be fired and the studio disbanded for their incompetence.

[@friedpuddycatgamer4682]

It's the engine. Runs awful on older hardware no matter what you do. Considering older hardware runs. Better looking titles much easier. It's not a bad looking game. But doesn't look nextgen to me. It's sort of a mixed bag. I think the engine is the problem and does not uae enough threads. Shame from what I played it seems like a good game.

[@exile9024]

I wish they would fix the FOV issue where Master Chief's legs won't appear above FOV 78 as well as correct the messed up FOV animations when looking down at the Chief's legs and torso.

[@colbyboucher6391]

They don't appear above 78 because you'd just see a disembodied pair of legs. That's what we had in the beta. Not an excuse, but that's why.

[@exile9024]

@@colbyboucher6391 I know thats why I also mentioned this "as well as correct the messed up FOV animations when looking down at the Chief's legs and torso.."

[@bork750]

@@colbyboucher6391 MCC has FOV settings and you can still see your body above 78

[@colbyboucher6391]

@@bork750 ...And this is not the Master Chief Collection?

[@fuckjoebiden]

@@colbyboucher6391 are you trolling or stupid

[@MentalXO]

the utter incompetence from 343 over the past decade has been baffling... constantly playing catch up with all their games

[@N7aziz]

Biggest issue with the game right now for online play is the ping and the ability to not pick a server/region to play on. All my games are on 180+ ping and since they “fixed” geofilter I never touched the game since..

[@oifbert]

I really think Microsoft (and a lot of other studios) should pay DF for all the QA work they put in. It's absolutely mindboggling how game studios release their games sometimes. I mean they literally spend years of their life to build this thing just to release it with some shitty rendering of the introduction cutscene. Who in their right mind thinks that this is fine? The best strategy for playing games these days, seems to be waiting for a year after release, to actually have a good experience. Unless of course you play a game from a studio like Naughty Dog that actually cares about the state of the game they release.

[@DarkChazz]

The singleplayer is still frametime microstutter galore (on PC at least) since launch, to the point making 100+ fps feel like sub-60. Seems they have zero intentions to fix it.

[@oneeyeonmidgard6801]

I seemed to fix that by placing the fps cap at Unlocked and disabling the lower fps cap option

[@willwunsche6940]

@@oneeyeonmidgard6801 I did this recently it seems to help a lot. I highly recommend people to disable the minimum fps thing especially it's way too glitchy

[@RAZKEN.]

YES! I've noticed this to! I loaded up a empty training map just to make sure, and while the FPS counter shows 80-100fps with (G-sync), the game itself feels like ~60... It's mind blowing how bad the visuals is while running like sh*t.

[@TexelGuy]

@@RAZKEN. Gsync/VRR doesn't work correctly in this game, in fact, even the Xbox version has issues with VRR (As noted in this video). Even if your monitor is changing refresh rates to match your framerate, the game doesn't look smooth, it still has judder as if it's running on a fixed refresh rate monitor.

[@slavetothesystem9854]

Microsoft's flagship title shouldn't have been released half baked. End of the day it was Microsoft's decision to release this game as it was. Not a good look.

[@hypno18s]

Yeah....

[@bdre5555]

Xbox has now established as a half-baked brand, that makes lots of promises but very rarely delivers.

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

@@bdre5555 tell that to Xbox fans it's like Xbox can do no wrong over there despite all the crap they pull

[@bdre5555]

@@TristanTheVRGamecat yep it is very true, and almost sad to see from a distance. So many millions of Xbox sheep that are completely hypnotized by Microsoft. They have released three semi-decent exclusives since console launch, which is in absolute embarrassment.

[@bnbnism]

@@bdre5555 0 exclusives

[@concinnus]

"The Sound of Silence" as a kazoo duet is the improper frame pacing song we didn't know we needed.

[@funkyneto]

The 120hz frame pacing issue also happens in RE 7. I always have to lower my console refresh rate to 60hz or else its choppy on the series X.

[@Sebbz]

I wondered what that was! Will try out using 60 hz mode next time I fire up RE7

[@tannab0i]

If you keep restarting checkpoint over and over at 120hz it eventually goes away

[@mash2481]

Thank God I’m not bothered by this crap. I just play the game for enjoyment. I don’t look for frame stutters or a dip in resolution. I think you all would enjoy the game more, if you didn’t know this stuff existed.

[@FlyBird]

@@mash2481 That’s not how that works. I’m sure there is stuff that annoys you that many of us wouldn’t care about. It varies from person to person. Micro-stuttering and major framerate drops has always annoyed me and it’s great to know what exactly that is and why it happens.

[@mash2481]

@@FlyBird you mean to tell me you won’t play a game over minor stutters? I see the stutters, but I look past it, I ignore it and enjoy the story or the gameplay. I’m not like you all and count the pixels, and I hope I don’t ever get to that point. Nothing wrong with knowing what the tech is, I enjoy that too,but I’d say don’t let that determine if you’re going to play a game, unless it’s just a mess like cyberpunk on last gen systems.

[@FrancescoNicolosi900]

the vertices on the chief's hands, with that sort of quake 2 effect on those vertices / polygons bubbling everywhere. that issue is still there, and it is bothering me a lot, 18:14

[@dmg799]

That grunt flying through the back had me dying 😂

[@Arcangel2992]

Apparently I’m running this game at 170fps but it still feels like it’s 60fps. The weapon animations feels like they below 60fps as well.

[@willwunsche6940]

Yeah I am not an engineer and don't know what's wrong, but I have a similar experience. I play on a 1440p 240hz Samsung monitor every game feels great but Halo Infinite's 140fps for me feels way worse than what the framerate says and gives me a minor headache

[@conoraq]

Why is 343 not able to get this stuff right without having it pointed out to them? They are given endless time and money to produce these games and yet there always seem to be these crippling technical issues.

[@Ayoul]

People often assume that the end product is what the devs were building up to the whole time, but from what has come out, there were a lot of changes and cuts made during production. The scope changed over time and that can greatly impact development. Do you focus on bugs or actually finishing the game? Is the QA properly equipped/trained to notice these issues and report them back to the team? Once it's back to the team, is management putting these bugs on the backlog to focus on other things (the next MP season for example). It's not to defend them or anything. There's just a ton that can go on behind the scenes to explain this even though it's quite unfortunate.

[@kastaway-m4x]

Too much going on. They have to develop for 6 different skus. Xbone 2013 - Xbone S - Xbone One X - Series S - Series X - PC

[@DarknessAlchemist00]

Lol, "endless time and money".

[@SC-lc7tm]

@@kastaway-m4x Maybe it's time for them to cut off last gen and then focus on next gen series s/x and PC.

[@krisgodwin7014]

A huge problem is how MS runs these companies. A majority of devs are contract staff that are cycled through constantly, and this leads to a never-ending stream of new hires who have to learn the engine tools (and from a lot of accounts, the Halo engine is a mess).

[@markgriffin2290]

The most needed fix is the issue where a large amount of people still can't even launch the game on game pass for PC.

[@BigBrosFilms]

I had this issue too! Had to play the campaign on Xbox.

[@XperiencePureness]

Imagine that you are supported by a company that has the largest funds in the industry and a lot of time to develop 1 game but still can't afford to launch a polished game.

[@BigBrosFilms]

Fans still defend the incompetence just because it's Halo and in these people's minds everything Halo is good no matter how many bugs or issues. It's just ridiculous how much money was spent on this game for it to turn out the way it did.

[@bdre5555]

Yeah it is a true embarrassment. It's no wonder that PlayStation has won two generations in a row. They already have about 10 amazing exclusives and enhanced PS4 games. All of which are superior to anything available on Xbox

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

@@bdre5555 they target gamepass not Xbox that's why

[@tarrdani6326]

@@BigBrosFilms They really spent 600m dollar on this game? I read somewhere. But i dont belive it....

[@northfield3654]

@@bdre5555 I think you'll find it was Nintendo that won the 7th generation with the Wii and the 8th generation will be the Switch as it passes the PS4 lifetime sales probably by the end of this year, the 9th generation hasn't even got out of it's first quarter so its too early to claim any victories however I wouldn't count out the Switch 2 or whatever its called.

[@evanmurray3974]

Halo infinite has worse explosions and physics than halo3 from 2007. 343 had 6 years, utterly incompetent devs...

[@mitronzongo]

I think limitations it is a new engine its probably not a good one just like dice engine.

[@modermonkula]

Halo 3 phantom explosions are epic. Infinite's phantom explosions are god dam terrible, doesn't even leave behind debris.

[@hydb801]

they improved the vehicle explosions with this update, not sure about phantoms but all the MP vehicles

[@xepacagueta2009]

I've had finished this game, is a good game, but the diference btw an xbox exclusive to a ps5 exclusive is huge.

[@bdre5555]

Yes it is very true. Compare this to a masterpiece like returnal or Horizon forbidden West or Ratchet & Clank Rift apart. There's a reason why PlayStation has won 2 Generations in a row

[@mrpiratefox4497]

To which exclusives are you even comparing this game to??

[@mohammedoamer1313]

@@bdre5555 indeed

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

@@mrpiratefox4497 pick one, any game on ps5 is superior to this garbage

[@mrpiratefox4497]

@@TristanTheVRGamecat no, they arent. Just some select few are. Now, to which of them are you comparing this game to??

[@qualitygaming7169]

343 promissed Raytracing on the PC version. It would improve the very low quality lighting. But with VRR and frame pacing problems still excisting then 343 probably wont implement RT.

[@TerraWare]

Yeah I hope they dont bother with ray tracing, it's going to make the game even more demanding but should instead focus on getting the performance running smoothly. In my opinion anyway.

[@existentialselkath1264]

I really hope it comes eventually and isn't just a simple shadows or mirror like reflections, but it definitely shouldn't take priority over all the current issues. This game has a long development ahead of it, it's got plenty of time for the nice to have features like RT

[@TheShapingSickness]

8:41 I just want to say how much I love Ransom Keep, one of my favorite songs in the game!

[@sebaken]

Rip halo😢

[@yotube155]

Ok the kazoo cover of "sound of silence" killed me lmao

[@offspringfan89]

Hard to be optimistic for Xbox future when its flagship franchise is in this state :/

[@caioferreira4986]

The recording of the tv screen was very effective, I never understood frame-time issues until now.

[@kahnsealable]

343 needs a SERIOUS infusion of talent. because they are WEAK with Halo.

[@KindOldRaven]

14:10 had me laughing so bad rofl, the dramatic hello darkness my old friend

[@rockleesmile]

How are there so many technical issues - and this far out from release? Isn't this supposed to be the Xbox's flagship title?

[@paperstreettube]

I really laughed out loud with the IFPI (can we acronym it by now, right?) the Improper Frame Pacing hymn. Thank you

[@mountainofsound]

When playing on Ultrawide turning isn’t smooth at all and has been consistent since release. It’s playable but swapping between this and cod is just wild the difference

[@jorismak]

14:28 Lol, couldn't resist laughing :)

[@theemulationportal]

Game is so dead on PC that Titanfall 2 has a higher peak concurrent playerbase lol....

[@samya1231]

Seriously ?

[@supernice_auto]

Nice lie

[@hopepeho]

You guys honestly need to use 1080p monitors for the S because it's always going to look poor on 4k displays. Because, yes, it looks like crap at 4k but that isn't really the case on 1080p screens. Not that anyone is going to read these comments on KZbin... I'm basically just talking to myself here.

[@soad48]

How can a company that had a budget of 500 million dollars to invest in a game be so incompetent?

[@BrokenNoah]

343i has been fumbling every Halo release for a decade now. I don't know why Microsoft keep entrusting the development to one of their major franchises to these people.

[@soad48]

@@BrokenNoah Bungie make the best Halo's in my opinion..

[@BrokenNoah]

@Turututu 2 And how many more sales they could have had if the games launched smoothly and the reviews weren't divisive especially with Halo 5? They may have sold a considerable amount especially at launch but how long were the tail? 6 months to a year later, what were the sales like? What's Halo's footprint on the esport scene in the last 10 years? It's also worth noting that taking away the game from 343i does not necessarily mean booting the vice president from the company.

[@nightdriver7216]

@@BrokenNoah Because Microsoft is the problem.

[@BrokenNoah]

@@nightdriver7216 Yes, it's all on Microsoft. 343 is without any fault of course.

[@pverzin]

Came here one year later to say the 60fps@120hz problem still persists 😢

[@Gkhn32]

This is gamepass for you. Just mediocre games with tons of flaws, slow development time, very slow reactions to improve game ... Netflix quality finally came to Gaming market. What does it even mean to fix the first cutscene of the game after 6 months later ? How, why ?

[@danielbradshaw1724]

And gamepass is getting worse

[@asmodeusml]

Yeah, it is great that they work on it. But it is not normal to release a game with so many technical issues, which are still not fixed even to this day.

[@0rsoBartholomew]

Halo: Infinite development

[@paulatreides7854]

343i has no excuses, keep the smart hard working people and sack the others.Only one game and they still can't release it properly, it's laughable.

[@UttRConcrete]

The Steam version has been broken for two weeks since season 2..couldn’t even boot. I tried it a few days ago and was able to play it again.

[@ShoRyuKen154]

IMPROPER FRAME PACING! I don't think I've ever laughed so hard watching a DF video before! Kudos to the editor!

[@oliverdavis4642]

I would assume the 30fps mode on Series X is the one they would add ray tracing to, which they promised in a post launch update. In a single player game that isn't that difficult I think having a 30fps Ray tracing option is a good thing. If we were talking Elden Ring I'd probably take 60fps.

[@Khashiofsky]

I really hope that they add RT shadows and RT GI to this game. Mix it with some sort of dynamic weather system could make this game look absolutely stunning.

[@babayega1717]

They left things reach a point where they now need to address issues for both the multiplayer and single player aspects of the game simultaneously, and this would be counter productive in an ordinary situation, let alone one as heated as this. They've completely missed the train now...

[@qualitygaming7169]

343 is incompetant. But cross gen support on so many platforms doesnt make it any easier. Cross gen needs to go.

[@shredenvain7]

Gears of war 5 on the Xbox Series X has judder and screen tearing with VRR turned on when you sweep the camera. If you disable VRR for Gears 5 it all goes away.

[@JayVIIPeep]

14:04 Maaan every time you guys bring up improper frame pacing it's hilarious lmao. I would be interested in seeing a video where a developer explains the difficulties of fixing improper frame pacing because I would assume there are still some difficulties if so many AAA games are releasing with improper frame pacing still ha.

[@MoXiang_Sumika]

14:09 this caught me off guard lmao😂

[@AbrahamDakin]

I've got a Legion 5 and from day one I couldn't play this game because it had visual issues where it was rending everything in HDR despite the laptop not being able to run games in HDR. It looked dire. Does anyone know if this has been fixed yet? It was my most anticipated multiplayer game and when it came out I was super disappointed that I couldn't play it.

[@TheScarletKing]

That's quite a puzzling issue. Are you running Windows 11? On an unrelated note I'm looking into getting a Legion 5 myself. If you don't mind my asking, how has your experience with it been in terms of temperatures and noise?

[@AbrahamDakin]

@@TheScarletKing honestly everything about the legion 5 has been great. I live in a hot climate and it can be a little noisy with the fans on full blast, but I often don't notice it enough when playing most of the games I've got. It seems well made. This halo issue was a one off incident. Never had any other issues with it.

[@inkgraved]

Heya Digital Foundry, have you guys ever done a breakdown of Hades? i notice a lot of performance drops on my PS5, and a HUGE amount of frame drops, too the point of almost momentarily freezing if i spam an ability called Quake Cutter on the weapon Twin Fists

[@Downhuman74]

Yeah, still not fixed on a lot of this stuff. Cut scene after Pelican Down is still a stuttery mess on Series X. Also had an issue with the Tac-Map (and all of the associated menus as well) running at about 20fps. A restart fixed it but I'm still watching it closely. Should never has released in this state.

[@PaxRufrax]

I enjoyed the presentation on PC at launch. For context, I'm a massive Halo fan, so my bias is strong. I played on a 32" 60Hz 4k monitor running from my laptop with an i7-96750H, RTX 2070 Max-Q, 16 GB RAM. I certainly wasn't blown away though. There as also mention of raytracing. I haven't heard it mentioned since launch though. They obviously need to get the fundamentals of the engine running properly before they can add this in (if ever). Will this game run for the 10 years as a live service? From current evidence, I seriously doubt it.

[@enragedstead]

Halo is an expensive joke now. If this was a Sony first party game you guys would be ripping it saying how unacceptable this is in this state.

[@nightdriver7216]

Days Gone was ripped apart for less. The media killed its sequel.

[@MassimilianoGallieri]

We need to talk about tree shadows in distance!!

[@Millicente]

I really think they should let someone other than 343 try their hand at Halo. 343 just haven't been cutting it with the recent iterations

[@Eveliane]

They should just give it to idtech, doom eternal optimization is fucking amazing

[@Arcangel2992]

Recent? They they haven’t anything in a decade

[@Millicente]

@@Arcangel2992 when someone says recent iterations it's understood to imply the last few versions of Halo, not literal recency

[@TristanTheVRGamecat]

Doesn't matter who they give it too they will still want it made for gamepass

[@nightdriver7216]

I don't understand why people keep giving a pass to Microsoft's management in this one. If 343 is the mess it is, it's entirely because of Microsoft and Phil Spencer. They're the ones who can fire people and change things. Yet they don't. Why? You can only guess. But Phil made a meal out of Halo, Gears and Forza Motorsport. Horizon has succeeded because DriveClub was bad and EA destroyed NFS, but even Horizon is full of issues.

[@destebangm11216]

noice a day 1 patch 6 months after release

[@automata.]

As someone on a high end PC with a 144hz monitor it blows my mind that the in-game framerate cap isn't fixed. External framerate caps and V-sync aren't good alternatives because they break the dynamic res scaler which would give me a locked 144 but can't. Lowest settings at 1440p, 80% res scale on a 3080Ti cannot do a locked 144 and like covered in this video, drops aren't covered by variable refresh reate

[@willwunsche6940]

Play on a 1440p 240hz Samsung monitor. Went the longest time playing max settings, 100% res scale, 1440p, minimum set to fps 60, limit set to fps 240. Have come to the realization this is horrible way to play. Now do 1440p uncapped with no minimum framerate and a mixture of setting. It feels so much better, the dynamic res feels busted for me in this game too much stuttering, problems and it looks way worse for me at next to no benefit. I have a 3080, 3700x, 32gb 3600 ram. Averaged about ~140fps multiplayer btb, ~90fps campaign old settings both feel way worse than they should because of stuttering. New settings am at ~165fps multiplayer btb, ~110fps campaign (I think I am still largely CPU and game optimization limited)

[@TheDiabolo1986]

"Auf wiedersehen"! Greetings from germany. You guys are awesome!

[@uncleurda8101]

I have a 7700k and a 2070 Super with 32 gb of Ram and I attempt to run this game at 1440p dynamically scaled to try hit a solid 60 and can’t, and anything above or below 60 is an uneven frame-paced eye ache. Much to my surprise the performance mode on my Xbox One X feels better with a mouse and keyboard than my PC does. I just stopped playing the PC version entirely as the experience is just frustrating.

[@rockleesmile]

Can we talk about the horrible weird transparent 2fps bird thing that shows up at 18:40?

[@kclink1579]

I honestly forgot a Halo game came out.

[@Lewis080]

It’s dreadful

[@THEcoolGAMER60]

Bruh

[@BOSSSHAWN]

You must be living under a rock. The Halo TV show was a smash success breaking records. On Xbox every-time I log on over half of my friends list is on Halo Infinite. I know you want to sound edgy but I could easily say I forgot the PS5 exist and that’s actually true for most people around the world.

[@bdre5555]

As did the rest of the world. There's a reason far more people are playing real games on PS5.

[@dec3142]

@@BOSSSHAWN what records? Goes without saying that the KZbin community is a minority but the reception is pretty bad.

[@spacemanjupiter]

Glad I haven't played this game yet aside from MP. I have a great time in MP with no performance issues but I'll wait until the co op patch is released, or sometime after, to see if the rest of the issues are addressed. I'm a huge Halo fan so although it's very difficult to wait, it's also very important to me that it makes a good first impression when I finally do get into the story. I feel lucky that I haven't dealt with any of this yet and hopefully never will if I wait a few more months. All I know is this. I waited for quite some time to play Battlefield 4 and Battlefront 2. By the time I started playing all the issues were ironed out and they were in a fantastic state. I never regretted waiting. I still play them often.

[@Downpour-X1]

Respect for the patience 🤣 I couldn't wait, still playing it today and I look forward to coop

[@carlosplascencia635]

From the lack of content Being developed on Xbox one A year delay Now VRR and other graphical issues I’m starting to think 343 doesn’t have the best engineers :( what a bummer… I would LOVE to see 343 showcase what the split space engine on Xbox series X\S fully. Is it the engine? Is it not what we thought it was? Is it the engineers that suck at coding ?

[@carlosplascencia635]

Seriously what is the root of the problem? I can’t believe Xbox series X/S can’t handle high Fidelity cutting edge graphics. The explosion feels like a splash The attention to detail feels baked in I can go on and on. I wonder how the game would look like if they would focus only Xbox series X/S and have an extra year in development. I personally believe this is the best Xbox one, S, X can literally do. The series X/S feels like an enhanced game and not necessarily native for the system.

[@rafaelfreitas8274]

Something that looks really weird on the PC version is the Anti Aliasing. It makes the game look soooooo weird at 1080p.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

I just tried to play this on my PC. Settings medium/high, 1440p with FPS always over 100. But it's just so jittery, it looks like 45fps.

[@RAZKEN.]

I got two main issues with Halo Infite: -Lack of motion blur option, the game would benefit so much from having a option for camera motion blur and PPMB. -The AA implementation is incredibly muddy, even when standing still. It would be nice to be to turn it off or having another solution that doesent completely destroys the picture-quality.

[@Cosmycal]

Have you tried to change the sharpness within the game?

[@RAZKEN.]

@@Cosmycal Sadly it just makes things look even worse. It's like trying to sharpen a oil-painting.

[@Cosmycal]

@@RAZKEN. I haven't tried honestly, good to know.

[@GameplayandTalk]

Nice to see there have been improvements. I've put off playing the single player but may have to go ahead and give it a try.

[@itsd0nk]

If you’ve been waiting, you might as well still wait longer. It’s like 33% finished. The story is terrible too, so it’s really not very fun or interesting until they add cooperative campaign. At least then you and a friend can make fun of the earnest tone for a Saturday morning cartoon script.

[@lecorsaire2283]

Thank God they fixed the elevated blacks. This problem made a terrible first impression on me as it does whenever it’s present.

[@gabor-toth]

This just shows what a bad engine 343i has created. The game not only looks outdated, it also doesn't run properly on any platform. Frame pacing, framerate caps, VRR, nothing works. The fact that 343i even introduced a 30 fps mode shows that they don't know their own game. A high-tempo FPS at 30 fps? Ridiculous. The Slipspace Engine is a complete failure.

[@davidwooten7212]

You may be right. Would be interesting to see Halo on a totally different engine. I know there is Unreal Engine 5, but actually the engine I have been kind of impressed with is the Dunia II engine, seems it would do those massive outdoor areas justice in Halo Infinite, but I think that engine is proprietary to Ubisoft. Isn't the Dunia/Dunia II engine an offshoot of CryEngine?

[@lindvi0r]

It is now Dec 2022, this game still runs like doo doo on my 12700k, 3070ti, 2k resolution. DLSS / FSR would be a game changer, but the devs are too big brain to add this. I'm glad I paid a buck for gamepass to play the game, so life is good.

[@LeoHernandez.117]

Turn off Dsync and lock the framerate

[@miikasuominen3845]

What is difficult to grasp, to me, is that everyone has had the knowledge of these things (improper frame pacing etc.) FOR LIKE A DECADE! Still, we constantly get games, that are programmed like... Well, shit, to use the exact word. Like From Software, I mean, I hate their games altogether... But I hate even more, the fact that they seem to be like totally one of the worst programmers in the known history... And I'm not even joking. Some of these things in Halo Infinite and in MCC are like a decade old bugs, and they're still not corrected?!? Though MCC is kinda close to perfect, now.... Finally... Anyway, how it can be so difficult to make a proper frame pacing, some people cannot even lock their game to 30Hz/fps. They're locked to 31 (Crysis, even the remastered versions were botched, and they had a different developer, but even they couldn't fix it. Like, what the hell!?!) xDDDD Then there's something like iD or Coalition, polished games and about everything fixed really fast.

[@leruty]

Yeah why is it so hard for some developers to properly cap the fps to 30 on consoles?

[@Technically_Techy]

14:06 oh this is fantastic

[@GODzilla_FH]

Got a taste of all of this during my Xbox Game Pass...trial. Havent spend a penny and good thing I didn't! Microsoft can have my money for the campaign, once the game is fixed.

[@rvalent9366]

6:27 I didn't remember encountering this issue so I started a new game, the lighting bug is still there and appear when the framerate isn't limited in the game, I play with unlocked and rtss set to 72 and it's flickering, set the game to 60 max fps and it foesn't flicker

[@fcukugimmeausername]

I think at this point Halo Infinite needs a rename. It's now Halo Kindashit.

[@xPXGx]

Halo Infinite is a textbook example of how not to treat or release your flagship game.

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

Man this sucks. Good games with bad, weird performance is maddening. My Zen 2 RDNA system could run the game great, 1080p120hz but nooooo....

[@Steinegal]

Just started playing through the campaign again on my Series X and it the frame pacing issue is still there 2 years after the release of the game…

[@Smitty_Werbenjagermanjenson]

Did 343i ever address the terrible Scorpion controls are on keyboard?

[@distillion]

The kazoo and Craig popping up for a sec had me dead lol

[@paullansville]

WOW!! Its unbelievable as to what Halo has become and this franchise needs to shelf for some time and be given to another capable studio (cough) The Coalition.

[@johnbishop2536]

Gameplay and visuals will look great but narrative would possibly be worst.

[@raresmacovei8382]

Aside from Halo 1 and 4, the Halo games were never technically proficient. Infinite is also the first cross-gen Halo released in the franchise's history.

[@intellectic9155]

You're not serious... The Coalition is only capable of killing franchises further. Gears 5 is an absolute trashcan of a game....

[@conrado800]

They need to make the next Halo game with ID Tech, from the makers of Doom Eternal

[@nightdriver7216]

The same Gears 5 that Coalition pulled support from after 1 year and given on Games With Gold? lol

[@danquaza9275]

I stopped playing because of the frame pacing issues. I mean even my 3060 pc struggles to hold a solid frame pacing and it just completely takes me out of the experience. I was also having this issue where there was a constant blur or glare and even when rebooting if I was in the open world it was constantly there. Had to stop playing for now

[@mellowjelloable]

Launching a halo game without co-op kinda ruin it for me.

[@UttRConcrete]

Didn’t they do the same with Halo 5?

[@TheGuitarMan71]

I still get unstable packet loss on series x even though my internet is open and very solid. Only game I get this atrocious lag on

[@MaxIronsThird]

This game needs an urgent 40fps mode.