Dragon's Dogma 2: PS5 Pro Tech Review - Big FPS Boosts But PSSR Issues Need Fixing

[@dutchguy1807]

Didnt expect this many games to have issues with PSSR. One thing developers should do is leave the old modes available on PS5 Pro. Avatar for example has new Pro modes with a lot of shimmering and no way to play the base PS5 modes.

[@concinnus]

They just shouldn't release PSSR modes until they're ready. It's not like there's a sales timing window to meet. And if the PSSR modes are unambiguously better, as they should always be unless the original solution was great (TSR; CoD), the old modes are only of academic interest.

[@drober8588]

​@@concinnus That's the thing, PSSR isn't better it seems. It needs super high input resolution to be decent. Maybe in a few iterations it will be better.

[@fenixa2z936]

You don’t expect for PSSR at what, version 1.0… to have issues? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@TW-bh2mi]

That’s not how development work these are games that have already released . The best way to improve pssr is to have as many games implement it so all the issues can be logged and fixed over time. If these games don’t use it it will take much longer to find and fix the issues. I wish this site and others did a better job at explaining this

[@dutchguy1807]

@@fenixa2z936 i expected issues, just not this many like i said.

[@TheGoncas2]

Is it likely that PSSR gets fixed and improves over time? Yes. Should people make purchasing decision based on future promises? Absolutely not.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Cry xbot

[@TheGoncas2]

@@pinny_wiz8090 Go back to bed kid, I've never even owned an xbox.

[@bdgrey]

First of all, no one is buying a PS5 Pro solely b/c of PSSR. Secondly, why shouldn't people consider PSSR in purchasing it? It's not "likely" to improve. It WILL improve, and it means that the PS5 Pro will age far more gracefully than any other console on the market.

[@DBTHEPLUG]

No one is buying a PS5 Pro for Dragon's Trashma 2.

[@Optim121]

Sony fanboys are so embarrassing. ​@@pinny_wiz8090

[@TheAlderFalder]

So, basically, if I buy a PS5 Pro, I will need to watch a Digital Foundry video for half an hour to figure out what mode I should play for my game?

[@InnerRise]

Or Google.🙄🙏🏿

[@kiisseli1337]

"Players don't have to choose between performance and fidelity mode anymore!" -Mark Cerny

[@bdgrey]

Or you can just play the game and mess around with settings like pc players have done for decades. It’s really not a big deal

[@emperordeath]

@@bdgrey console doesnt have settings lmao

[@bdgrey]

@@emperordeath You’re commenting on a video that shows a game with various graphical settings and the option to turn Ray tracing on or off. Good job

[@Rekko01]

balance mode + balance pssr + RT + 120hz = runs like charm on my ps5 pro, looks stunning and fluid

[@puregarbage2329]

Upscaling from 720p in 2024 is crazy.

[@Whiteshade]

what do you expect from a console? 4k native?

[@chirazi]

@@Whiteshadein 2024 yes ofcourse. Almost getting into 2025. Im sorry but consoles are played mostly on big tv’s. So playing in 720p is a joke

[@apollosungod2819]

@@Whiteshade The majority of PC games are NOT even natively programmed for using eight CORE CPUs, 4K, HDR-10 and 120HZ VRR and not even Ray Tracing Global Illumination... all features that Capcom's Dragon's Dogma II runs FLAWLESS on a stock Sony PS5 running version 1.00000 of the game... the difference is Digital Foundry had a PC elitist whining about the PC version cause his $4,000 dollar PC crashes and stutters and it hurts his man size.

[@Mcnooblet]

@@apollosungod2819 Do you even own a PC? Most PC games I've played hit all those specs. Not natively programmed?!? Lol. On PC, VRR is always on through the GPU and it doesn't require per game implementation. Most games have HDR-10 and if not, there's RTX HDR to put it in any game. 4K? Every game I've played in years on years allows you to go to 4k. About the only thing valid there is RTGI, which you'll see much more on PC titles than console. Idk man, I own a PS5 as well and have gamed many hours on both platforms... I'm not sure what you are trying to do with that message, or what you are really trying to say. Even the 8 core x3ds on PC are tearing it up in games right now. Not sure how any of what you said is accurate.

[@Tigerhearty]

thanks TAA and the disgusting forced industry fake standards of non optimization

[@TheSparkynuts]

Oh my god, it just hit me, PS6 games are still gonna be 1080p in performance modes, aren't they 😅

[@urmomma2688]

Normally, consoles are equivalent to low-midrange pc parts and that's the baseline promise of that level of hardware, for the couple of years a gpu generation lasts

[@d4mterro320]

You want them for 400€ or less dont you

[@Dani-kq6qq]

Ps5 pro is 700 and you play at 862p in current gen only games.​@@d4mterro320

[@Pulverizer2000]

​@@d4mterro320haha lol

[@paccacio2935]

Yeahp😎😎😎

[@winslowpippleton7157]

even dlss doesn't look good from 720p to 4k in motion...PSSR Really needs to hit 1080p before using PSSR.

[@LianCasablacks]

And DLSS has a 7 year advantage, I feel that PSSR is doing okeyish considering it's the 1.0 version. I just hope that it doesn't take Sony too long to update PSSR.

[@corey_massey]

Shhhh...you aren't supposed to say this....the PC fanboys will come after you and call you a Sony shill and fanboy making excuses for PSSR, even though you are 💯 percent correct....even in the current model of DLSS going from 720p to 4k creates image breakup.

[@alumlovescake]

I would say at 1440p dlss quailty is the only good looking one. at 4k balanced is ok but not anything lower and in some games any form of dlss looks complete garbage

[@winslowpippleton7157]

@@alumlovescake 4K dlss in performance mode looks better than 1440p native, somewhere like 1600p. at least when I was using it on my set up.

[@samgoff5289]

@@corey_massey is your point that the pro model is a useless ripoff because i agree upscaling from low resolutions looks terrible and fsr is already available for that dont need to spend extra to get sony inhouse fsr

[@Ferreiro_André]

its crazy that we came from xbox 360/ps3 running 720p to xone/ps4 running games at 1080p to xonex/ps4pro running games at 1440p/4k back to 1080p for xseries/ps5 back to 720p on ps5pro, will next gen run games at 480p like the ps2?

[@pierreo33]

PC master race

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

​@@pierreo33 ooh ooh PC Raster Race 😮😮😮

[@-INFERNUS-]

480p upscaled to 4K, but still runs at 30FPS😂 Now that's progress.

[@evgenyyurichev]

cause lights and shadows render in real time (in past its just a rendered texture), more geometry on the screen.

[@billygunn6185]

No game is 720p on PS5 Pro

[@Hezzadude12]

I don’t understand why DF has only just now noticed the RTGI flickering in this game with PSSR. It’s in the game with DLSS too - I play at 3440x1440 DLSS Quality and it’s 100% unavoidable and happens all the time, but you guys never called it out in your earlier coverage of the game for some weird reason. I don’t think it’s a PSSR problem, I think it’s a render resolution thing whenever the game drops below some set point (my theory is anything below 1080p internal causes this) no matter what upscale you use (TAA, FSR, DLSS and now PSSR too)

[@Loundsify]

Bingo. But it's easier to call a new upscale tech shoddy

[@funkDr1]

You think DF would miss an opportunity to paint PSSR in a bad light? Come on. They've shown a bizarre distain for the Pro even before it's official announcement.

[@kato093]

PC fanboys PC fanboying

[@theanimerapper6351]

Calling it "pisser" was more accurate than expected

[@fullauto86]

TRUTH

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

This is why Mark Cerny didn't give a full tech presentation on this mid-gen refresh of the Pro. Because he had to be aware of these shimmering and image break-up issues. PSSR is not coming to Playstation without some warts, and Sony knew this ahead of time

[@Gungrave123]

@@SteveJonesOwnsDSP genital warts

[@fcukugimmeausername]

@@SteveJonesOwnsDSP Sony misleading their fans once again. You have to sit back and appreciate how good Sony is at it, they ALWAYS find a way to hype up their tech-ignorant fanbase.

[@jez49647]

Pow! Right in the pssr.

[@AgentRupal]

Sony : You don’t have to choose between graphics modes give us 800$ Here are three confusing modes, none of it runs at locked 60 😅

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

You absolutely dont need locked 60 if you have vrr. This game doesnot run locked 60 on majority of cpus. And also nothing confusing. You have beter gra[phics or better fps.

[@kato093]

Balanced mode is basically locked 60fps outside of the stupid city. Performance mode is always above 60fps. There is nothing confusing. Balanced is basically quality mode of the bass ps5 but at 60fps.

[@toastyburger]

Thank you for these PS5 Pro videos. It savea me from messing with settings to find out what they do. Keep up the good work!

[@javier3108]

Thanks for the thorough analysis, Tom

[@javier3108]

@pinny_wiz8090 chill, dude, I'm not a bot, I report them myself whenever I spot them. I sincerely think Tom is one of the best at Digital Foundry. Peace.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

@@javier3108okay sorry bro

[@Abyssalll]

2019: Capcom releases DMC5, a visually stunning game that runs flawlessly in 60 fps on a base PS4, a console that runs TLOU2 in stable 30 fps. 2024: This shitshow.

[@Crimsongz]

One is a linear game the other is not.

[@Hello123-b7l]

@@Crimsongz still not an excuse. It's a full priced aaa game from a big company. Also ps5 and xbox series consoles have better cpus so they should run open world games way better than last gen.

[@twinstarunruly4129]

​@@Hello123-b7lYea they always find excuses bro 😂😂

[@alumlovescake]

@@Crimsongz DD2 doesn't even look THAT great.

[@alumlovescake]

DMC5 in cutscenes looks great but in gamplay I would not say its "visually stunning" though it definitely still looks good and runs well for how it looks.

[@nicodimus2222]

PS5 Pro running at native 720p? Wow. Never saw that coming.

[@billygunn6185]

It's not running at native 720p though is it

[@那人冷靜一點]

​​@@billygunn6185it is, get educated and finish the video 😂

[@billygunn6185]

@@那人冷靜一點 No it's not, that's an internal resolution you never see 🤣

[@Gordond2009]

@@billygunn6185 Ok, PS5 Pro running at a native 720p internal resolution? Wow, Never saw that coming. You are arguing semantics, however its still the same complaint. Only being able to run at a 720p internal resolution on a $800+ console is kinda meh.

[@billygunn6185]

@@Gordond2009 Series X is $600 and can't even get to 720p 🤷‍♂️

[@max_the_german4989]

An introduction by Tom without 5 sec of music in the beginning? I adore them, as I adore all of your videos. Please take your time, your videos are classics.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Nah Oliver is way better and much more attractive. Tom looks like one of Alex rent boys

[@Peacenutman]

All PS5 pro games should offer the option to turn on/off PSSR.

[@elophostia]

I love how these graphics modes are getting more and more confusing. Playstation technical department promised that the PS5 Pro will make the performance mode just as sharp as the graphics mode on PS5, but instead we got even more issues. Games still are beind upscaled from 720p, but now we have RT, right? What about "8k ready" sticker? Aren't we more that ready now? Good job, Sony 👍

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data collection?

[@Schlock3000]

Remember when the claim was that we don't have to choose anymore between quality and performance mode? Some games fulfill that claim by just having one mode that looks worse than before. The other games have 5 modes which is more confusing than before.

[@gabrielcunha2260]

Well, there are games with 8k resolution on ps5 pro, No Man's Sky is an example

[@那人冷靜一點]

​@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki more like dlss 0.5😂

[@luism8130]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_mukiit’s nothing like DLSS 2 or 3. More like a bad XeSS beta.

[@urmomma2688]

The performance uplift in cpu limited areas is very interesting

[@marrow94]

But but but Alex said the CPU is the same and it sucks! How could it be that now the performances are much better!?!?!?

[@urmomma2688]

@@marrow94 did he say it sucks? Doesn't sound like him at all. Anyway, it is entirely reasonable to think that a 10% overclock would only net at most 10% more performance. My point was that maybe this area wasn't as cpu bound as we thought it was

[@MrSorainu]

Logically, it is reasonable to assume that the CPU is not improving performance by only 10%, but actually by more than 10%.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Remember RT is GPU intensive but also CPU intensive and the ps5 pro is very good at RT relative to the base ps5, so if i was to guess maybe there were ray tracing related "operations" being done on the base ps5 cpu and these RT "operations" got transfered over to the gpu on the ps5 pro version so basically iam saying ps5 pro gpu takes some load off the cpu freeing some cpu resources, that's just my 2 cents on it.

[@asmodeusml]

It's crazy that Sony hasn't stepped up and said anything regarding PSSR issues or promised to address it. Especially given that devs are removing the options to play in "old" modes on mass.

[@BOB-yb1db]

On mass? Please name 3 titles that removed pssr

[@asmodeusml]

@BOB-yb1db removed PSSR? I am talking about the games with removed performance and quality modes without PSSR

[@BOB-yb1db]

@@asmodeusml i apologize. I've misread your comment.

[@adams3560]

It’s “en masse”. One of the many French terms we use in English.

[@danielgebert4556]

Looks like the non-rtgi lighting in this game was almost an afterthought - it looks generationally different. For those who have this game and a ps5 pro, id imagine playing with RT is more enticing now, which is good. But for real, the side-by-side with and without rtgi looks like comparing a current and last gen version of the game.

[@mclarenf1gtr99]

Imagine playing at 720p in a 800€ console. Yes the true evolution

[@billygunn6185]

It's not 720p though is it

[@druid3694]

Why would i imagine that?

[@那人冷靜一點]

@@mclarenf1gtr99 with the pissass5pro, you don't need to imagine 🤣

[@billygunn6185]

@@GamingIndex wrong, reconstruction does use gpu power. Upscaling is not the same as reconstruction, a TV does upscaling

[@GamingIndex]

@@billygunn6185 How much GPU power does it use? Genuine question because I can’t find the answer online

[@cube2fox]

I have to say, judging from videos, the exteriors in this game look so pretty. The global illumination, the muted yet realistic colors, the romantic distance fog, the pretty half-timbered houses, the wheat fields in the morning sun.

[@mag3slay4]

ReShade goes BRRRRRRRRR

[@flockelocke2297]

Okay buddy, I buy this game.

[@cube2fox]

@@mag3slay4 What's there to "re-shade"?

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

seems like pssr is a real bummer in its current state, the flickering that's happening in many of these games would drive me nuts.

[@JamieRobert_]

720p on a £700 machine is wild

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

This game has alot of the same problems on machines that cost ALOT more.

[@Crimsongz]

@@steveybiggunzgaming8118 No it's way better on those machines especially with frame gen lol

[@SavantGardeEX]

It's the devs and games issue, not the hardware lmao. It can't even do 1440p 60 on a 4090 😂.

[@PepGuard-tp4ny]

Not having 700$ when you are 40 is wild too.

[@otto5423]

@@SavantGardeEX bullshit i have 4080 i get always +120fps using 1440p resolution.

[@themightyant.]

CHOICE is good. In some games like Silent Hill 2 the shimmering is unacceptable to ME (ymmv) but here I’d MUCH rather take a smooth frame rate and accept a little temporal instability.

[@anasbm77]

Relaying too much on upscaling methods these days make the devs lazy to optimise their games

[@DrJones20]

Why use PSSR if it makes the game look worse?

[@valonfazlija889]

@@DrJones20 well in this case it really don't it make it better specially on balanced and grfix mode DF just like to nit pick everything now days

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data aggregation?

[@FelipeMach]

PSSR is AI learning machine. It needs to be in use to learn and develop.

[@Loundsify]

I think it's just it needs a base resolution of at least 1920x1080 to really be useable.

[@killerklinge52]

​@@Loundsifyyes. Demon souls remake runs at 1440p/60fps on base, but on pro it really looks like 4k with pssr because the input resolution is higher, with the better graphic card of the pro demon souls remake maybe even runs at 1600p upscaled to 4k, but i can say the image is flawless

[@loost68]

I hate that in 2024 we are still upscalling from 720p

[@fcukugimmeausername]

I figured out the PS6 marketing. "Introducing PlayStation 6! PlayStation 5 Pro performance without the PSSR problems"

[@mmmccir5063]

now we have to wait for patches to fix patches. I don't know why no one is trying to add more graphical detail in the form of object sight distance, grass or shadows.

[@mikew1080]

Draw distance and shadows are usually more taxing on the cpu. Foliage can be as well. Not every visual element you appreciate can take advantage of the better GPU.

[@SsjHokage]

This may be unoptimized but we still haven’t seen the PS5 Pro enhancements detailed for Legend of Dragoon

[@Mirec2x]

An 800 Euro console needs to render at 720p to be able to reach 60 with lot of artifacts. What a great engine this is - it can pretty much shake hands with UE5. We are going back to the era of x360/ps3 resolution, what a progress.

[@SushiBandz]

If you had to throw Dragons Dogma 2 and Metaphor Refantazio in a most unoptimized contest, who's winning?

[@Mesjach]

Metaphor 100% DD2 can look good, at least. Metaphor looks like shit and runs like shit. (talking about the fidelity, not art-style, of course)

[@SushiBandz]

@ Absolutely agreed

[@xtr.7662]

A modder said that looking at metaphors code its by far the worst optimized pc port hes ever seen

[@YanalFanio]

Loved each second of this content! You crushed it!

[@SoftOtaku]

Exactly the video I was looking for. Disappointing but much appreciated.

[@Pyke64]

This is just one huge disappointment. A 720p image but it can't keep a stable 60fps? On a 1000 euro console?

[@Thor86-]

Thats a game developing issue. Even a RTX 4090 has problems with this game. Think before you write, don't write just to hate.🤦🏻‍♂️ It has in quality mode with 1440p resolution almost 50 fps. Why you dont mention that? Oh yeah you guys must hate on something. You dont wanna see the improvements.

[@cgray8267]

Developer …but I’m sure you know that 🙄! I have issues on my 4080

[@billygunn6185]

It's not a 720p image, where did you get that from?

[@aichan5235]

i have a 4080, and i still have issues

[@VariantAEC]

PS5 Pro costs $700. At worst, $810, including the $30 vertical stand peripheral that you do not need. In what fantasy land is it €1,000?❤

[@Garudaintruda]

The Ps5 Pro coverage thus far has been the most disappointing and entertaining yet.

[@nicolalibero93]

Wouldn't be interesting to see how much better the FPS would be without PSSR. Balanced mode seems the way to go

[@kato093]

If this was a ps5 vs pc comparison they would saying that the 40-45% fps boost while having a higher resolution would be a "massive upgrade".

[@iBaZiic]

If a new gen gpu get a 45 % improvement over the last one they would all lose their mind and call it a great improvement

[@juanjosealmanzar6330]

Unoptimized game.

[@Sam-Fisher]

indeed

[@solipsist3D]

Incredibly fun game

[@juanjosealmanzar6330]

@@Sam-Fisher but not a bad game by any means

[@juanjosealmanzar6330]

@@solipsist3D yes

[@Draiver165]

Game looks like ass and runs like it

[@alex.starostin]

PS5 Pro coverage is some of the most unexciting ever seen

[@JerryFlowersIII]

Lucky for me that the games I wanted to play had good upgrades and I can ignore the iffy ones.

[@Garudaintruda]

But at the same time the most entertaining lol

[@schneckenwilly]

So John was right calling it PISSR even before release lol

[@chrisLRL]

Starting to feel like i want a refund of 700 pound tbh. Diminishing returns era.

[@mefirstplease3676]

Then return it. Why did you wait for this video to come out to determine if you like the device?

[@kiisseli1337]

To us tech geeks the point is we get to be part of it, see the problems and if something cool comes out. Not for casuals. Problems are cool.

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

Game is much better on pro than on ps5.

[@n.i.gcode_name_nation3971]

It seems like Sony knew PSSR was at it’s early stages! Clearly not ready to market, yet they did it anyway…

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data aggregation?

[@discofabio5009]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki be honest in its marketing, at the least

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

@@discofabio5009 yeah, type "ai upscaling refines over time" at the bottom of the ad or something.

[@ewenturnbull5053]

Makes you wonder if frame generation mixed with balanced mode would be a good idea for people with a vrr display.

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

Amd only now made official frame generation sample for consoles so next year i think will be more games with frame generation on consoles.

[@mikemuponda1781]

Owning a console especially the ps5 pro has ironically become more PC like than console & made things more complicated whereas the whole point was consoles are supposed to be simple plug n play!

[@luism8130]

That was never the point of consoles. Don’t know why people keep saying that, consoles were always living room entertainment. They were never an “anti pc” movement. For example the entire point of the original xbox was to bring Windows and direct X to the living room. Consoles are pcs with custom operating systems and hardware, but the gap is bridging closer and closer. Starting with PS5 and series X there really is no point to owning a console. A better experience can be had on pc.

[@utopic1312]

consoles haven't been plug and play for years

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

@@luism8130 As gaming platform pc cant compete with consoles at all. Also price performance every console kills every pc.

[@Garudaintruda]

This console sums up this generation.

[@EdoXTensei]

And there still are people around, who telling other people that they wrong when they say bad things about PSSR. No Doubt that PSSR was released way too soon, and Sony HAVE TO roll it back, and replace it with FSR or TAA, and then fix the PSSR.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Pssr is like dlss2/3, it needs training thru millions of players' inputs. What other options but to force data collection?

[@UFCWWE69]

⁠@@Boss_Fight_Index_mukicharging people almost 1k for data collection is diabolical

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

@@UFCWWE69 Like what nvidia did to millions of 30/40 series gpu buyers?

[@UFCWWE69]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki are you really comparing nvidia to Sony? They’re literally the richest company in the world rn and specialize in AI / machine learning. “Those buyers” were in much better hands than the poor saps who bought a pro trusting pssr to get any better in the upcoming years especially with more and more third party developers not giving a crap day one whether a game launches in a half decent state or not, much less have it optimized for pro players too.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

@@UFCWWE69 does sony not have 30 years experience in graphics tech? plus, their not alone, they're co-developing with amd. afaict, pssr is dlss without the need of dedicated silicon. Maybe it does, not sure. also, market cap =/= enterprise value

[@Evermore360]

Can you also test Black ops 6? In 60 hz „quality mode“, there are many places where bright dots flicker. For example, the second zombie map or the headquarters in the campaign. But there are also a lot of dark areas. That really annoys me. Everything was clean on the normal PS5. 🙈

[@shadowstrangler1]

I don't remember the PS4 pro and one x having these many issues lol the hell was Sony thinking with PSSR.

[@solonepeon5805]

They were in the bathroom when they came up with this idea so it'll take time to clean things up 😂.

[@judsonfox4015]

Eh ps4 pro still had its share of problems, it just didn't seem as bad cause the price was far more reasonable

[@theeOnslaught]

@@judsonfox4015facts, these folks are killing me with this selective memory 😂

[@Mo-eh1bq]

PS4 Pro had issues with checkerboarding but it was so cheap that it wasn't really brought up. It was the same price as the PS4 when it launched and £100 cheaper than the Xbox One X. And the Xbox One X didn't have these issues but you were paying more for better quality. In the case of the PS5 Pro, you're paying almost double the price for worse quality.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Pssr when it works is the biggest upgrade for console gaming and will be the future for Sony. It will get better

[@butterccm]

720p to 4K is rough for all of the scalers out there. Hope Sony keeps working on it and we get updates for it sooner than later.

[@Bankoru]

Sad you didn't touch on the 3 levels of PSSR quality available, they make a huge difference in performance and image quality, and how Balance and Quality PSSR pretty much look the same despite Quality mode taking a ~10fps hit.

[@thejiamobile]

can't wait for ps10 to run super fidelity mode with ultra path tracing at 60fps with 240p resolution upscale to 4k ...

[@stinyg]

It looks even worse than shown here on my 4k tv. The artifacts due to AI upscaling are clearly visible and distracting. Not good.

[@mandrews6282]

This one’s a bit better than Ubisoft Massive’s issues with Outlaws and Avatar (I’m convinced they didn’t even turn these on before shipping them). Those are made sadder by them being dynamic resolution to being with, so they already looked and ran better on the Pro without PSSR. For DD2, the picture does look crisper and performance is definitely a lot better. But some of PSSR’s quirks do appear. It’s honestly not overly distracting in this one though and the benefits outweigh the cons for now. This is something Sony needs to address though as everyone is going to be stuck with these versions once the PS6 hits. Not to mention we haven’t had a console restricted upscaler before. On PC players can usually have control over this. Even in games that run well with PSSR v1, what happens when we are on PSSR v4 or something. Do developers need to keep going into every game to update the version? We all know that won’t happen. But either way they need to fix these couple problem games lest we all be stuck with them next gen. Devs need to stop just slapping PSSR on and shoving the ‘upgrade’ out the door. No upgrade is sometimes better. The only one to get it right ironically looks good with PSSR. Ragnarok allows players to actually turn off PSSR of they choose and use another AA method. The worst solution is Ubisoft, who have taken away all other modes. Meaning you get a worse image than Quality Mode on base consoles, and you have the PSSR fizzle to boot. I have to stress most games look great. But these problem games are big problems and something needs to be done about how these go about being released.

[@Thor86-]

On PS6 we will have a magic button and the PSSR will look perfectly fine.

[@peterkevintaylor]

Those people who bought the pro, stand and disc drive in Europe for 1000 euros. They got scammed real nice. Sure PSSR may get better but it could take years. 😂

[@MR.K.J..Mixed.M.A]

😂 yeah it'll take 4 years about the same time they drop the ps6 😅

[@kildaver]

"It'll look better in a year!" Then, release it in a year, when it's actually ready.

[@GreekIrish]

Capcom used to be so reliable when it came to optimizing their games 😢

[@arturiaarthus8367]

even in performance mode, the CPU heavy game still drops below 60 fps on the pro. who would've thought ...

[@bdgrey]

It's still vastly improved over the base console and stays above 60 when you're not in a town. Balanced mode stays above 60 most of the time too, btw.

[@arturiaarthus8367]

@@bdgrey i've seen balanced mode take visible dips in combat outside of town and such. it's not as rosy as you make it out to be, not that an overly expensive console without a drive needs defending, mind you.

[@Keepskatin]

​@@arturiaarthus8367Not having an internal drive is a benefit....easy to replace because drives always die over time

[@arturiaarthus8367]

@@Keepskatin not a single one of my drives have died. my old ps2's, my old ps1, my decade old blu ray drive for my PC, my psp drives ... none of them are dead today, and most of them are over 20 years old by now. sorry but your argumentation holds absolutely no value. especially because there are no more extra drives to purchase for the PS5. all of them sold out until further notice.

[@Migrane111]

We did it guys, resolution wise we are back in ps3 and xbox 360 era. But our TVs are 2 times to 3 times bigger. I never thought I will live to see this during this gen, not even in my wildest dreams.

[@caiuswolf7725]

I didn’t pay $700 for this!

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

Game looks and runs better on pro. What is your problem?

[@miguelroman4294]

Those NPC's popping into view is very disturbing imo. Not even in the 7th gen did we see such a drastic cut back in CPU cycle's! Skyrim on 360 never had NPC's appear out of nowhere right in front of the player! What happened with DD2?

[@kuruptzZz]

This is one of the few PC games where DLSS looks horrible. Everything is just blurry AF. But DLSS 3 frame gen was a game changer. I can run it at native res ultra smooth with max settings. PS5 pro should've had amd frame gen at least

[@Crimsongz]

You can update the DLSS file

[@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S]

It's not native if you use DLSS tho.

[@happygofishing]

DLSS and TAA always look bad, there is no way to make them look good.

[@kuruptzZz]

@@g2jxGhF5G8z1gL7S I think it is in this game. You can enable frame gen while disabling upscaling. So I think it's just native res and TAA. I can immediately tell the difference. DLSS upscaling has the exact same PSSR issue he describes here, with the grass especially looking blurry and pixelated

[@kuruptzZz]

@@Crimsongz yes I've done that. I use DLSS swapper

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Really wanted to see the dlss comparisons for this one

[@OneUpWill]

PiSSR flicker strikes again.

[@luism8130]

The name makes sense now. I see why they called it pisser.

[@VariantAEC]

It's totally the fault of PSSR... which is why Tom showed the same flicker occurring on the base model PS5s that don't have PSSR, right?

[@VincentVanBro]

@@VariantAEC rewatch the vid and consider returning to school 😂

[@VariantAEC]

@@VincentVanBro Maybe you should rewatch the bit sith the doorway on the base model PS5 suffering from the same issue. The base model PS5 doesn't support PSSR at all in any game. How can PSSR be to blame for the base models errors? If it isn't the cause for the original version's visual blemishes, how can it be responsible for the PS5 Pro's visual blemishes? I graduated early, and before that, I helped manage the school mainframe server room with the IT staff as an extracurricular volunteer task simply because high school was boring. True story.

[@VincentVanBro]

@@VariantAEC only a nerd wouldn't grasp basic English. They never blamed the ps5 base version's flicker on PSSR. They blamed the _additional_ flicker in the ps5 pro version on PSSR. Do you understand the difference?

[@DrwZacc]

Hopefully as PSSR matures and game Devs get a better grasp on AI upscaling technology we'll see improved results.

[@weatherfox1]

Pro keeps proving it isn't worth it

[@MattRumball]

I've got a decent 4k gaming monitor 2.1 hdmi and this game i find i balance mode blows base ps5 version out of the water clean graphics not muddy,blurry feels like 60fps

[@claypf4795]

@digitalfoundry does your framerate detection software work with composite capture? If so, it'd be fun to watch retro episode in which you analyze NES, SNES, Genesis, and PSX games

[@X2Jason86]

I think it's time to admit that Mark Cerny isn't the technical savant the fanboys try to make him out to be.

[@adams3560]

It’s not Cerny’s fault if developers can’t optimize their games properly. The hardware itself is very good.

[@keyboard_g]

If Switch 2 has DLSS at half the price its going to be embarrassing for Sony.

[@Loundsify]

Don't expect DLSS to be some magic bullet. It's likely to also be upscaling from 540-720p to 1440p and that still will come with artifacts. I've been playing spider-man on PC at 1080p DLSS quality and there's always break up in some of the scenes.

[@utopic1312]

@@Loundsify just run the game at native res

[@mateusbarao1761]

Sony actually got people to pay $800 to beta test their PS6 tech, incredible.

[@Keepskatin]

The future is modulation consoles, but these corporate people are slow to realize it. Stop releasing whole new console and pro versions. Just make your damn consoles upgradeable like pc, put of course you want it to be proprietary modules. Even so upgradeable proprietary is better and cheaper than 20 version of consoles; less e-waste too. Why cant you understand and accept the facts❗🙄

[@DBTHEPLUG]

Just like I'm paying to beta test path of exile 2. Nothing unusual at all.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

And you'll beta test the PS6 for the PS6 Pro owners and buy next-gen games day one to test, what's the difference?

[@DBTHEPLUG]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 Right. PS2 was a beta test for the PS3, the PS3 was a beta test for the PS4 etc. That's how technological advancement works.

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

Its 700

[@umran89]

Curious, this flicker in shadows due to PSSR, will this be always an aftermath of PSSR ? or is it something that will surely be addressed in later releases?

[@cartermoth6447]

It's delirious to charge 800 euros for the Pro compared to 374 euros for the digital edition PS5 (on offer right now). Sony, what are you doing.

[@stranger3731]

and it still runs 720p upscaled to 4k just like the ps5 amateur

[@jumborice6560]

I presumed LFC operates below 48hz when 120hz output is enabled.

[@clivek8673]

I think it does

[@jumborice6560]

@ Thus graphics mode should be fine on a 120hz display with VRR. Just weird Tom didn’t mention this but only referred to 60hz output which would be limited to 48hz

[@Lemmiwinks_The_Gerbil_King]

1:42 finally playing in 720 p on my 800$ console nice 10:25 and 53 fps in "balanced" mode also sounds awesome. Who needs 60fps anyway? 11:16 and those textures from NPCs that pop in while running in 55fps on "performance" mode are also nice. reminds me of games on my familys Windows XP computer.

[@LukijsFroGo]

same as pc gamers then

[@see.eye.2361]

I mean, is it not the same on PC for that price range if not worse?

[@JustVC]

Even 4090 can't hit 60 on that big city lol, at least on launch

[@urmomma2688]

Each example getting more and more nitpicky tells me all i need to know about your biases.

[@paccacio2935]

Lmao😂😂😂 remember ehen they made fun if the xboc one cause some games ran at 900 P?!?!😂😂😂😂 Scam5 pro

[@NotCharAznable]

I’m sure it sold well but idk how Capcom dropped the ball with this one. It could have been so much more.

[@Crimsongz]

PS5 Pro is like Russian roulette 😂🤣

[@johnodaz1273]

Nice Vid DF. Dragon's Dogma 2 is much more Playable now in all the Modes, which is really good too see on the Pro. PSSR is definitely looking like an Issue for alot of Games, is worth Devs using PSSR or trying different methods instead.

[@stevedave7617]

Amazing, 3 different modes, none with a locked frame rate.

[@JPWestmas]

Seems alpha mapping drawn at a certain distance (e.g. Grass) is a problem with the software upscaling. Might be a mipmapping incompatibility?

[@TheIndulgers]

In 2004 I was gaming at a higher resolution and framerate than what the PS5 Pro delivers 😂🤣

[@Ultra-Niche-Gaming]

How does it run on the PS5 pro without the patch? If you play the disc version without downloading the patch and playing offline

[@colinparks619]

Pssr needs sorting soon , it was one of the reasons to buy the console

[@ceaserknk6640]

Its this game lmao every other ps5 pro enhanced game looks awesome. This game is just shit looking in general

[@jon....]

@ceaserknk6640 It is not just this game. Alan Wake 2 and Silent Hill 2 both have the same issues with their PSSR implementation. PSSR is just not very good.

[@Lewis-4]

The fact that Sony isn’t requiring developers to _leave the existing (legacy) modes in place_ is inexcusable. Pro modes should only ever be _additional_ modes, not replacements.

[@C3D01]

Oh another PSSR issue... anyway...

[@butterccm]

Digital foundry could you show a performance comparison for FFXVI on ps5 pro compared to the original? I know it didn’t get a patch but I’d like to see how the boost in overall power changes the performance mode in that game.

[@Blackson187]

The Pro just isn't a big enough upgrade to even justify its existence.

[@adams3560]

I mean, I’m over here playing Resident Evil Village on mine at 120 FPS (90 FPS with RT on). Loving it. It also makes existing games with unstable framerates that don’t have Pro patches more playable, Metaphor: ReFantazio and Zenless Zone Zero are two that come to mind.

[@vincevirtua]

Tom talks about the "ideal 48-60 fps for VRR to work", though I thought they patched 120 hz on so LFC can work? I guess what I mean is if it drops below 48fps then VRR still works?

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

Yes.

[@c2ashman]

How is PSSR not a rushed technology? This is embarrassing, Sony.

[@pinny_wiz8090]

Only thing embarrassing in gaming is Phil Spencer’s Xbox

[@bdgrey]

DLSS went through the same growing pains. What do you think the "learning" part of "machine learning" means and requires? It needs to go through numerous iterations, and that means at some point bringing it to market. They can't improve it using a handful of testers.

[@DRILLYBEAMINxRR]

A dev currently working on a pro patch for a game has claimed there’s already multiple versions of PSSR. Same dev also said that is the likely reason for the inconsistency in its use & effectiveness because some updates are using newer versions of PSSR than others.

[@AsgardsGlory]

Dear Digital Foundry PLEASE answer! Did other racing games like NFS and WRC will get PS5PRO "PRO" mode with Quality+60fps?

[@Tuaregoxffff]

Can not wait for detailed look at Stellar Blade 😏

[@TheSparkynuts]

Came out last week

[@Packin-Heat.]

Alex would never do that lol.

[@drober8588]

Yes DF already did a video on this game.

[@KillahMate]

You're not gonna believe this

[@backslashio]

Just give us the option to disable PSSR - either by Sony or game companies. Its clear that in most games there's no advantage to using it until it matures and it causes unwanted flickering

[@jetsp]

Perfomance mode = a lot of artifacts and poor quality... upscaled to 4k..

[@draculathevampire934]

Im surprised they havent seen the first descendant theres super obvious shimmering in the mountains

[@борисрябушкин-з9н]

On pro everything is superb in this game.

[@mrweasel]

The heck does this game need to run from 720p to get to 60fps? It looks nice, but not that nice.

[@ThereIsOnlyOneRandom]

720p will be more heavy on the CPU, that's why this game runs at 1440p.

[@SalveMonesvol]

This game looks and feels like a perfect candidate for native 4k 60fps on Pro. You can't tell me this game, in performance mode, looks better than Ryse: Son of Rome. That game can do 4k60 maxed out on a Ryzen 7 2700X with an rx 7700 XT without missing a beat.

[@GeneTheCroc]

Are you seriously comparing a corridor-style scripted game with an open-world simulation-driven one? Ryze has lower requirements for a reason.

[@SalveMonesvol]

@@GeneTheCroc The difference in load between a linear game and an open world one falls on the CPU, not the GPU. This game runs terribly.

[@drober8588]

When are the Sony fanboys (I am one of them) going to admit / accept PSSR isn't what we hoped it would be. Needs a few iterations it aeems.

[@valonfazlija889]

Just tell my have u played this game on pro ? Im guessing not because if u did u would now how big of improvement it is vs regular ps5

[@paccacio2935]

Never!!!!!!!

[@drober8588]

@@paccacio2935 😂😂😂😂

[@drober8588]

@@valonfazlija889 I have a Pro but haven't played this game. DF played it for me and told me what I needed to know.

[@valonfazlija889]

@drober8588 yeah that's good that u let someone tell u how it is my gosh man play the game see even on balanced mode how much better it looks than that checkerboard on regular console i think that DF now days specially with the pro are like super nitpicking things that the end user will not even notice trust me try the game come back to me here and see if I was right its much much cleaner I really was surprised how good it looks on runs on Balanced mode with RT

[@DMC745X]

Still Don’t understanding why not adding fsr 3 to base console. So you add checkerboard rendering and you don’t want to include a major upscaler like fsr3 which is quite good

[@BradJohannsen]

Another title DF once said was CPU bound yet here we are with a Pro console that doesnt have much of any CPU improvements and the game now hits 60fps.

[@George_Walks]

ssshhhh you're only supposed to hate on the Pro in these comments :)

[@BatteryBee]

It still is CPU bound. The game only hits 60 FPS consistently in performance mode when you turn off ray tracing, which is a CPU intensive setting. Also, in the most CPU demanding areas (i.e. city areas), the frame rate starts to dip back below 60 FPS.

[@ccotunai]

720p upscaled to 4k? .... for a 800 Euro ''Pro'' device? madness... of course it flickers like crazy

[@jackhanma376]

It's the game, on my 2500€ PC using a 4070ti can't hit 60fps at 4k if not going at 1080p and it's barely there

[@ccotunai]

@jackhanma376 true, the game ran poorly on my 4080 too, but the idea is that any game will look bad when upscaling so aggresively

[@jackhanma376]

@ccotunai yeah but I'd never play in performance mode tbh, at least balanced