Indiana Jones and the Great Circle - PC Tech Review - Best Settings, DF Optimised + Xbox vs PC

[@biIl]

booting this game to see the idtech splash screen instead of unreal engine was actually euphoric. I knew it was going to run and look great.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Every time I see the unreal engine 5 logo I feel a huge sense of dread start to build up inside me. From that moment on I know I have just wasted my money.

[@kukuricapica]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 I would say hat Hellblade 2 is phenomenal looking game and maybe the best showcase of UE5 Engine and it runs reasanobly well. I will bootup the game on my RTX 4080 when it launches and checkout the Full Path traced goodness. Im really curious how much better looking it will be.

[@FordHoard]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 I hate Unreal Engine and what it's done to gaming. I think that Chivalry 2 is the only good looking modern Unreal game that also runs very smooth, even on a 1660.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

@@kukuricapica yeah hellblade 2 ran pretty well from what I remember. Then you have recent games like stalker 2 which is horribly cpu intensive for what is effectively a game about running around a forest.

[@Aggrofool]

Id Tech cannot handle open-world like Unreal. Indiana Jones isn't a true open-world game.

[@MagnitudePerson]

This game runs on Doom Eternal/Dark Ages engine, no wonder it is smooth and runs great. About time Idtech 8 became industry standard

Isn't Doom Eternal and Indiana Jones idTech 7?

[@Dangerman-zg3ui]

Can't wait to see Dark Ages how that performs with likely full path-tracing. Honestly wish Halo Studios went with Id-Tech and able to do Forge with that (Doom 2016 had Snap map so in theory very doable?).

[@se2018]

I know, but it doesnt look that good in this game, some textures look terrible. I don't remember that problem in Doom Eternal. I'm worried for Dark Ages

[@AponTechy]

This game requires a rtx gpu and 8gb vram! How this is smooth and great?

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

@@Dangerman-zg3uisadly halo is being done on unreal engine 5 now.

[@kaylee42900]

I wish every PC game had a "console" preset that set everything to console settings Edit: for everyone saying get a console, there are people out there with 3050s (or worse) or laptop GPUs or hell even 1080gtxs that could greatly benefit from having access to lower settings than base on modern games. Esp laptops which have smaller screens anyway. Stop gatekeeping PC and try to encourage PC gaming to be more accessible. We all benefit.

[@no1DdC]

Sure, but would you choose it? It took me decades to get away from the urge, the burning desire to set everything to max settings, performance be damned...

[@SioGG]

@@no1DdC Yes. Every single game I launch I put everything on the lowest instantly and have done so for 20 years

[@no1DdC]

@@SioGG That's awful. You're missing out on so much artistry and detail. Somewhere, there's a texture artist reading this and weeping.

[@lol-o4g]

@@no1DdC not to mention just wasting money on hardware not even being utilized, so it's not only awful, but it also makes no logical sense

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

@@SioGG Why?

[@Spoggi99YT]

I now played the first 6 hours and it’s amazing! I didn’t have the highest of expectations to be honest but I am so glad it turned out to be so good. As an Indiana Jones fan, this game is a dream come true. The technical state at release is also great (as it should be…) and it’s good to see a non-UE5 release for a change.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

I wasn’t expecting much from the game but this has quickly become my favourite release of this year.

[@timmyp6297]

Its boring imo. Repetive af. Linear af.

[@ofrenic]

​@@timmyp6297 Plays linear story game and complains its linear 😂

[@paxconsciente3352]

Is the game challenging?

[@jamesw884]

​@timmyp6297 a linear game and you complain it's too linear ?

[@MegaCygnusX1]

Having put around 10 hrs in myself I will say this is the most impressive videogame treatment of a film IP since Alien Isolation. Machine Games have knocked it out of the park, and they clearly love the original movies.

[@no1DdC]

They've done it before with Escape from Butcher Bay. I highly recommend this game, even if you don't like the movies. It's been delisted (including the remaster Assault on Dark Athena), but not difficult to find.

[@timmy3822]

Going to watch Raiders of the Lost Ark tonight before playing the game next week! I’m happy Xbox have a winner here, here’s hoping my PC can handle it.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

I’m so thrilled to play this fun exciting adventure, after that last movie where they threw I.J. under the bus constantly. This game was made by people who respect and see him as a true heroic figure, like he always has been in our cultural mythology. The movie saw the character as nothing but a way to dunk on him for identity political reasons.

[@SikhJedi]

Did you play Robocop?

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

Maybe not impressive, but I've heard the Terminator game is quite good too. Have you checked that out?

[@mikem2253]

Unreal engine be like: “how do you do that?”

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

BY making visuals last gen lol that's how. And also with that horrible shadow pop in.

[@honk_tm]

skill issues, clearly

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Yeah, because ray-traced GI was so common in PS4 games.

[@comicipedia]

@@antonkirilenko3116 ​ @DragonOfTheMortalKombat The Global illumination is as good as UE5, its the geometry thats visibly lower. When they zoomed in on the idol in this video it looked very low poly

[@kotboyarkin5032]

By making a game with outdated PS4 level graphics. Even indie games on UE5 looking better than this Indiana Jones with past gen graphics.

[@nimbulan2020]

Thank you for introducing some sanity to the VRAM discussion, Alex. So many people have been making it out like the game would be unplayable with less than 12 GB of VRAM and not understanding how id Tech's texture pool setting works.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

The vram on these nvidia cards is inadequate for how much they cost and how fast they are

[@zerofate9558]

On Unreal Engine its called r.Streaming.PoolSize, many people don't know that it is not equivalent to texture quality, If you set this too high, it will cause performance to drop significantly even in many UE4 games that do not require high VRAM.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Alex himself is partially responsible for hyping up the importance of VRAM and whining about Nvidia's alleged "stinginess." Vram has always been cope for AMD fanboys, long before the system recommendations were published. See commemt above lol, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use the highest data streaming settings. 8GB is perfectly fine for 1080p, 12gb is all most console games actually use for video related memory.

[@zerofate9558]

In Unreal Engine it's called r.Streaming.PoolSize, a lot of people don't know it's not equivalent to texture quality, if you set it too high it can cause a significant performance drop even in many UE4 games that don't require high VRAM, like they did with Ghostwire Tokyo in UE4, there's also a graphics setting called texture streaming that consumes VRAM too much if set too high, but has little impact on actual texture quality.

[@JomeFromWork]

They have literally a section in the video discussing the downside of 8gb vram GPUs in this game lol And that is present to modern games too

[@TheNerd]

I would love a remake of "Indiana Jones - The Fate of Atlantis" in this 1st Person Style.

[@jj_1edzep]

This comment aroused me for a moment

[@metwono]

Yesssssss!!!!

[@davidcousins8407]

Oh man, that would be amazing.

[@no1DdC]

The Emperor's Tomb would be nice as well. It had some quirks, but by the standards of the early 2000s, this was one of the best movie adaptations.

[@gintonicx6]

I bet they will make something after this

[@nik12937]

My open-box 3080 TI has finally found its purpose: a single game that needs the extra 2GB.

[@darrell5363]

Nah Alan wake 2 stressed the fuck out of my 3080ti 12gb

[@axiom4694]

Hellblade 2 also uses that extra 2gb of vram in 4k

[@michaelhudson3737]

as a 3070 user :(

[@l1nkenmus]

It's actually ridiculous how 3080 is such a powerful gpu that is utterly bottlenecked by its vram buffer in this game. Nvidia sure did a great job of making money, not futureproof gpus however

[@przemyslaw_polak_93]

Nvidia knew what they were doing :) it's intentional

[@l1nkenmus]

@@przemyslaw_polak_93 Yeah I guessed as much, planned obsolescence is one of the smallish reasons they are selling so well. It's also a big reason why I bought a used rx 6800 xt with 16gb of vram. The second best option was the aforementioned 3080 10g, and even that was $40-50 more expensive

[@zerofate9558]

Same thing for AMD gpus their Ray tracing and Super Resolution is weaker, on a 3080 i can play Cyberpunk 2077 at 60fps at 1440p DLSS with Path tracing, for a 4 year old graphics card you always need to compromise on some graphics settings, and on this game just lower the texture pool size, it barely affects the texture quality.

[@vandammage1747]

remember how many pc shills were bragging about pc masterrace and not realizing such a simple fact that the vram was a joke and not very future proof

[@l1nkenmus]

@@zerofate9558 Path tracing? Without mods? If you're not lying that's impressive. But you're also right, there are always some drawbacks. DLSS really helps lower end gpus, while something more powerful can run a game at native 1440p or fsr quality, which usually looks quite good. So as much as I'd want sweet sweet DLSS and better RT capabilities, I'm still confident enough to say that rx 6800 xt that I bought for $320 was a better choice.

[@bb5307]

Devs really need to make console optimized settings that are lower than pc's lowest setting available on pc.

I expected some 720p 30ish fps on consoles based on PC requirements. I'm shocked how good the performance turned out to be. But also this is idTech 7, not Unreal Engine. Doom Eternal was so butter smooth too!

[@sundhaug92]

Consoles have uniform memory access, really good SSDs, standardized hw and simplified OS', helps them quite a fair bit

[@sorackamet5558]

They should give us back the options to turn shit off. I remember games that let me turn off every shadow and light source. Yeah, it looks like shit, but i could play they with a good 60 fps even on a weak pc. I miss that.

[@gorillagroddgaming]

Devs really need to make good games

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@sundhaug92 "really good SSDs" bruhhh they standard NVMes. Xbox SSD is slower than Most PCIe 3.0 ones. Nothing great about them.

[@javebjorkman]

Holy crap, y’all, idTech is it! This is what should’ve led the current generation development. Wow

[@busyBaldurus]

I hope we get more AMD tests in the future. I feel like the only time an AMD gpu was even mentioned was when you guys discussed the 7700xt that is in the reccomended specs

[@robertbalogh3663]

I do hope that my little 6800xt will handle this game too. Best purchase of my life was that card 🙂

[@RidinSpinners36]

@@robertbalogh3663 im getting like 60-80fps outdoors 100fps indoors on 1440p ultra on 6800xt

[@unspeakableoaf]

@@robertbalogh3663 My 7800 XT is a few percent faster than your 6800 XT, probably, and handles the game pretty well in 1440p.

[@Aeterna_Soul]

My 6700 XT is running it beautifully. You’re gold!

[@ilenenoir85]

Same here with my beloved 6750xt ☺️

[@uzayonat]

Glad to see that they didn't bend the knee and kept using vulkan, with vendor agnostic ray tracing extensions too!

[@SimonBuchanNz]

If you're talking about VK_NV_ray_tracing, yeah, of course, VK_KR_ray_tracing_pipeline was pretty much a copy paste with only tiny differences, down to the fairly awful API to send scene data by querying the driver's memory layout. If you're talking about but using further extensions, there really aren't that many; they should be using the few that do exist if they see value though; reordering looks like a free performance win if you have any further hints about ray locality for example. There's just not that much movement in APIs over the last 4 years, engines and hardware are still catching up to the huge hardware change that RT and mesh shading are. Hardware work graphs/device generated commands are also a pretty cool new feature, but mostly just removes a bottle neck for new engine designs that can handle 100k+ object scenes.

[@Sevastous]

@@SimonBuchanNz This makes the perfect time to implement more of Vulkan's RT API pipleline to games. Its a win for every GPU brand. Idtech's engine is the big proof of this.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

@@Sevastous I don't know what you mean? It's functionally the same between DX and VK, and they got the features effectively the same time? If you just mean "more games should be Vulkan", well, sure, but that's an unrelated issue to ray tracing.

[@Sevastous]

@@SimonBuchanNz Not about RT. It just runs better. according to my own benchmarks on laptop nvidia gpus and Radeon desktop gpus.

[@holgerbahr8961]

There is another bug / issue which occurs when using DLAA/DLSS and HDR simultaneously. For example: In the first chapter of the game, if you look at the sky through the windows from inside Marshall College's large exhibition room, you'll see a pixelated mess instead of the sky and clouds. If you turn either HDR or DLAA/DLSS off, everything is fine. I hope this will be fixed.

[@malaki7123]

Thanks so much for this comment. I definitely noticed this bug, but I never would've thought it was both HDR and DLSS. I'll just turn off HDR for now, which is a massive bummer. I hope that's fixed as well.

[@TheMrRadish]

@@malaki7123 use RTX HDR for now

[@no1DdC]

Good thing my monitor has such terrible HDR that I'm not using it anyway. I'm missing out on all the "bad HDR implementation" drama that every other game seems to be plagued by.

[@malaki7123]

@no1DdC yeah I turned it off in this game and I'm just like "... I'm not missing anything here. HDR seems real hit or miss, and I'm actually wondering if it's causing any more bugs in other things.

[@xbotnpc420]

Geezuz 🙄

[@Jirizo1]

This game has a strange graphical glitch on windows/lights when DLSS and HDR are enabled. I had to run it with TAA to fix the issue.

[@PterAntlo]

Will probably be fixed in the next two or three days with new drivers. Nvidia is pretty good with quick turnarounds for such things

[@TheMrRadish]

yep, I just use RTX HDR for now

[@Slickman2006]

People have to remember the specs have to account for the lowest common denominator. For instance they put 13900K on there because they have to account for people who may be running it with 2133mhz DDR4.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Holy mother of all bottlenecks. I have to hope someone isn’t stupid enough to buy a 13900k then get the cheapest ram kit they could find.

[@pistachiodisguisey911]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357pre builds do this shit constantly it’s crazy

[@wittywolk]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 trust me, there are people like that. I recently tried to advise a guy for not going with DDR4 for 14900K and he was pretty hard to deal with; something along the lines of "it's just one number higher, what possible could be that big of a difference between DDR4 and DDR5"...

[@PterAntlo]

@@pistachiodisguisey911 Yep, that's the main problem. Pre builds are optimized for "flashy numbers". So, everything someone who wants a good machine, but doesn't really know about, gets cut corners. And then people are like "this games are garbage! I have a monster machine and everyone runs like shit!" - Sad state of things, but unfortunately nothing new. Pre builds were mostly garbage 20 years ago and they will probably still be mostly garbage in 20 years.

[@ymgve]

It's me, I'm the guy with 2133MHZ DDR4. (But I also have a 8700K so it should all be replaced eventually anyway)

[@0x8badbeef]

I agree there should be a slider for LOD or draw distance or VRAM.

[@timmyp6297]

Or a virtual memory pool, like all other games. You know, using ram intelligently to store video data? This game does not do that.

[@0x8badbeef]

@@timmyp6297 the games I play nowhere use the memory I have yet I see pop-in.

[@Jakiyyyyy]

Like ICARUS for example, that game allow you to set your own VRAM pool so that it don't overspill unlike just hit and miss by adjusting the textures manually.

[@0x8badbeef]

@@Jakiyyyyy it is really not a hit or miss if you have HWiNFO64. It gives you the maximum the game has tried. You just dial down your settings to below your VRAM so the game doesn't have to go to main memory and chug.

[@0x8badbeef]

@@timmyp6297 virtual memory is disk memory, once upon a time. But main memory is so cheap these days no one uses it.

[@lenpak]

People on online forums and a few youtubers were quick to blast the dev for being lazy and not optimizing the game simply based on the required specs while completing ignoring that ID tech is one of the most optimized engine in use. In addition, complaints that ultra path tracing requires a 4090 to use frame generation and DLSS, well what games besides quake RTX or maybe Minecraft path tracing can run full path tracing without those features? People complain when a game doesn’t push pc hardware and blame console for holding it back but cry when a game does push the limit

[@backtoklondike]

I think part of it is that Wolfenstein 2 ran pretty badly on launch on PC, in spite of it running on id tech 6. So a lot of people assumed Machinegames would fumble it again with this game

[@R17759]

People are stupid

[@thestoicwhinger]

The age of regurgitated "opinion"

[@SmellsLikeRacing]

Not sure we watched the same video, but the point was not that the engine is super optimized, the point was that the GPU is under utilized. Unreal Engine doesn't have such pop-in and draw distance issues. Stutter was mentioned too, but it was not shader or traversal stutter, it was saving and cutscene related.

[@Peylix]

it's because people have made reactionary brainrot their whole personality these days.

[@FSAPOJake]

Another well-optimized idtech game. At this point nobody should be surprised, and everyone that was upset over the PC requirements chart should do some more critical thinking in the future.

[@alext3811]

Yeah. That's basically the idtech brand in a way, that if the hardware is within the recommended specs, it will run at that level.

Probably the biggest issue is the necessary RT, but overall what I've seen so far in other videos too, the game is smooth! Definitely feels different than UE5 titles.

[@annonannnonymus]

Only the broke boy pascal bums were mad😭😭😭😭😭

[@AponTechy]

This game requires a rtx gpu and 8gb vram! How this is well optimised ?

[@rejectxz]

People were critical cause we have seen so much UE5 slop thats blurry and runs bad. This is not the case of course which is awesome to see. I wish we could get more games of this quality and I also wish UE5 didnt exist at this point..

[@desertfish74]

See, don't use UE5 and you get a game that actually runs well.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

No UE5 + passionate dev team

[@pixels_per_inch]

Unreal Engine is good for indie devs who can't really make an engine from scratch. AAA studios shouldn't abandon their in house engine just for cost cutting.

[@kotboyarkin5032]

Don't use UE5 and get past gen graphics like this game.

[@desertfish74]

@@kotboyarkin5032 graphics fidelity actually peaked and is regressing with UE5.

[@joelrene1559]

is it really UE5 or is it lazy devs and greedy corps? (serious question)

[@antarcticanman]

Unreal 5 gets mogged by Idtech 7 when it comes to perf vs quality. Hopefully IdTech 8 continues on that.

[@drinkwwwaterrr]

Not being a UE5 defender but Virtual Shadows and Nanite would make this game look so much nicer and get rid of the distracting pop in. Otherwise yeah idTech definitely outperforms pretty much every UE5 title

[@Aggrofool]

Id Tech cannot handle open-world though.

[@XxViciousxX]

​@@drinkwwwaterrrI'd personally rather have pop in than a bunch of stutter but that's just me.

[@HybOj]

@@drinkwwwaterrr "Virtual Shadows and Nanite would make this game look so much nicer" and run 50fps instead of 100. I take the later.

[@damianabregba7476]

You can see that it only needs one line of code to unlock higher lod.

[@Lead_Foot]

Right now on the latest driver dlss frame gen is broken in cutscenes, and having dlss on at all causes some light sources to look like a noisy mess.

[@dsidebotham]

I agree dlss is a mess in this game.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Good thing it runs so well that dlss is not required. I’m seeing about 100fps out of a 4070ti at 1440p supreme settings.

[@ronyomar100]

Exactly DLSS / DLAA settings are broken

[@Deliveredmean42]

If it's one those game runs so badly then yeah that is certainly a deal breaker for some. But at the very least you are to play a super optimized game that dlss isn't rhat necessary. Altho yeah should be release upon the actual release date.

[@whiskhot]

I have no issue with dlss in this game.I have the issue you mention if i enable hdr with dlss.

[@SzymonSaysStuff]

This looks amazing, but I really wish you covered performance on AMD cards that usually struggle with those „always RT” titles.

[@Fuuntag]

I guess at some point we will be able to unironically say, “this belongs in a museum”. So happy how this turned out. ❤

[@no1DdC]

Speaking of "this belongs in a museum", I really like how the game allows you to freely explore the university's museum in the beginning and look at the exhibitions, read the little plaques with information on them. Such a lovely thing that really fits the settings.

[@WayStedYou]

They said that to the 3080 10gb already with this game

[@Torso6131]

I hope rdna4 sells well enough to convince Alex its worth it to test AMD GPUs again. I have an rdna2 card (6700xt, 12GB) and given this game is RT only I have to wonder if it'll play this game as well as the Nvidia counterparts. It looks like hes basing his GPU choices more on the steam hardware survey, which makes sense, it just is a little bit of a bummer to see 3 modern nvidia cards only.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The consoles are RDNA2.

[@Torso6131]

​@@Wobbothe3rdindeed, but they use lower than low GI settings here. Alex is also using 1440p balanced for a 4060, which the 6700xt is usually slightly faster than in raster but maybe not in RT. I dunno, I'd like to see a wider variety of GPUs being tested. They used to always have an AMD and Nvidia mid-range comparison that seemed to die around the time bg3 came out. Really at this point the only time you see anything other than Nvidia is when Rich reviews a GPU. I guess there are always other channels, but it's a touch disappointing not to see all vendors get a shake on these types of videos.

[@bb_lou]

exactly, what's the point of a video like this for those of us on AMD hardware? There is none. I understand it's a small % of people but at least make it clear in the title that you're only testing one brand of GPU.

[@pondwhale]

that information is available, google indiana jones gpu benchmarks. the purpose of these videos is to broadly cover the technical state of a game, not to point out performance on specific hardware. its something only DF really does, and id hate to see them waste their time doing what every other outlet already does

[@arlekin73]

Playing Indiana Jones with RX 6800 in Native 1440p on High - silky smooth 60 fps 👌

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

Supreme settings at 1080p (7:50) turns this game into HITMAN 4 and Indy into Agent 47.

[@folyqa]

love ya guys, thanks for the videos

[@rjspires]

I'm running it on a AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, with 32GB of memory and GPU is a AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT. It's running just fine on high setting at 1080p/60FPS. This is why I spent the money on a new PC rig 2 years ago instead of an Xbox.

[@FrancoisRoy]

The full path tracing lighting is absolutely wrecking my 4080 @4K

[@Squid9708]

I had to switch to 1440p on my 4080 super. Now I can run stable at 120 fps with vsync dlls quality

[@FrancoisRoy]

@@Squid9708 I settled for 4K - Balanced -Ultra - rather have 60 than framegen'd 120

[@gavinderulo12]

I can't wait for the Path Tracing Update 🤩

[@12me91]

Man I hate when the consoles use lower than low settings. It's so dang dumb to lock the lower end hardware on PC out from better performance

[@lol-o4g]

lower than low usually means they had to go in and pick what exactly was going to be displayed in each area. That is not really a setting but something they had to do to get the game to run at an acceptable level. It's not something they want to do but have to do and it's usually time consuming and can change depending on what's causing what to be an issue...this is because the hardware is not good enough even at the lowest setting to run it properly

[@ignacio6454]

@@lol-o4g We get that, but they should add those setting for people with older cards. See PC is great because you are supposed to be able to scale up as much as you can afford, as well as down.

[@KhromTX]

This game just screams they had their targets and priorities set in stone before even pre-production began. Efficient game development with clear and strict performance requirements internally is amazing. This game game looks like the devs knew from the start they were going to build it around RTGI by default, and constructed the world and rest of the game around that fact rather than trying to shoe-horn it in as a side project, and the performance really shows that, while minimizing impact to overall image quality (1800p is fantastic) and fidelity. Incredible work by Machine Games.

[@WickedRibbon]

I wish more current-gen games actually scaled their graphical settings on consoles like Machine Games has done here. We've seen far too many developers crank up the visuals, but then brute force those graphics into a "performance" mode which uses blurry, vaseline-like upscaling. This ultimately undermines their own artistic vision, and ruins the overall visual presentation for users. In contrast, Machine games has found an excellent sweet spot between image quality, detail and performance - resulting in a beautifully complete visual package. You can just sit back and enjoy Indiana Jones without worrying about the graphics.

[@MigueRED117]

4060 ti 16gb owners: 1440p max settings 😎 4060 ti 8gb owners: 💀💀🦴 (run out of vram)

[@pistachiodisguisey911]

It’s still insane they released a cart with that little vram in the 2020’s

[@c3meilleurevoituredumonde]

Rip Me

[@battalk5126]

I mean who recently buys a new GPU with under 10 gigs of ram. Jedi survivor kind of changed the game. Was the first game I played that required 10 gigs of vram on 1080 ultra. If you buy the 8gb version of any GPU today expecting great performance now and especially in the future you have no one to blame but yourself

[@seanandile1888]

Scamvidia 🤑🤣 they are supposed to be essentially the same card they'll tell you, but they are not hopefully next gen is better optimisation and cards.

[@Crazzzycarrot-qo5wr]

i heard the new radeon 8600 will apparently have 8gb vram...

[@dampflokfreund]

I don't understand why they don't expose the console specific lower than low settings on PC. It would be a great benefit for lower end hardware or if you want to run higher resolutions and framerates with said hardware.

[@no1DdC]

It could be a last minute optimization that they simply didn't have time to test on PC yet. Maybe it'll be added in a future patch.

[@togrulalekperov1335]

Could be for a somewhat similar reasons why users wont upgrade for a better gpu.

[@lol-o4g]

That is not really a setting but something they had to do to get the game to run at an acceptable level. It's not something they want to do but have to do and it's usually time consuming and can change depending on what's causing what to be an issue...this is because the hardware is not good enough even at the lowest setting to run it properly. the hardware needs to be upgraded if low isn't working for you on PC they only waste the time on consoles because there is no other option to change hardware or otherwise

[@lm_dccxl4078]

i guess is because the obligated raytracing? that doesnt run on old lower hardware

[@cwilfried8040]

Because your pc master race crowd would still dunk on it.

[@robertc6382]

This has to be one of the best day 1 optimized PC ports I’ve played in recent times. I was pleased to find it accurately detected my DualSense controller with the correct button icons being displayed. Great setting menu options and HDR implementation. It’s great to see it actually make use of PC’s more powerful hardware over console, looks and runs great on Supreme Settings. Looking forward to the full RT update.

[@UrExtremeGamer]

Does it have haptic feedback and adaptive triggers?

[@robertc6382]

@@UrExtremeGamer Not specifically, however it does have a regular controller vibration toggle and a vibration intensity slider that ranges from 0-100, interestingly Aim Assist also has a slider like this which I think would be awesome if implemented by other developers for multiplayer fps games. It's possible the PS5 version releasing next year might have hepatic feedback and adaptive triggers, but in reality this games world is already immensely immersive as is.

[@KnightMD]

1:40 wait a second.... So the reason the Xbox Series S is running it so potently is because they're even lower than the PC lowest settings? I think we need this on PC to run on the Steam Deck as well, because currently it's in the teens and 20s on the lowest settings.

[@watershipdown]

The problem is that the Steamdeck is much less powerful device than a Xbox Series S. I'm sure the game can eventually be better optimized for the Steamdeck but it just can't compete against the Series S with its faster CPU/GPU and RAM.

[@cwilfried8040]

PC master race dudes who like to brag about better performances than on consoles... want consoles settings for their pc. Interesting.

[@yellowblanka6058]

@@cwilfried8040 It's almost like PC gaming isn't a monolith and the "PC Master Race" types are a tiny, but very vocal minority of the PC gaming community.

[@rockon609]

@@cwilfried8040it’s a vast ocean of people with very different setups.

[@minowilovemypet]

@@watershipdown and also the fact that valve already noted to steam deck user that some games can't be run in steam deck either because it's doesn't support steamos or the requiment is so high that you just need to buy a real pc to do so

[@MKwadratPodcast]

My biggest issue is shadow popin and LOD transitions. They are too close to the camera even on highest possible settings, which makes it horribly distracting and detracts from the overall very good visual quality. I agree with DSOgaming: "the game suffers from A LOT of pop-ins. Right now, there are lighting, shadow and object pop-ins. Lighting and shadows form right in front of you. This is something you can clearly see in the following video. Due to these pop-ins, the game may put off some PC gamers. I can’t stress enough how aggressive the LODs are in this game. This is something I really hope Path Tracing will address when it becomes available. The only downside is the awful pop-ins that occur right in front of view. I don’t know why MachineGames did not provide higher LOD options for the Supreme settings. It’s a shame really because in the big outdoor environments, the constant pop-in can become really annoying."

[@JulianSTW]

Mom can I buy Hitman? No we have Hitman at home: 7:50

[@Jakiyyyyy]

Even whiter Agent 47. 💀

[@Yerinjibbang]

xDDD

[@Dionyzos]

It looks great on both Xbox and PC. I honestly wouldn't mind playing it on Xbox since the difference are so subtle and, at least for me, don't make the game more fun which is what it's all about in the end isn't it

[@vandammage1747]

Better version on XSX on a big TV with HDR and dolby atmos home cinema.

[@weplayvrgames]

Series s looks pretty blurry

[@craigsampson3386]

​@@weplayvrgamesyeah John said it didn't look too good.

[@vandammage1747]

@@weplayvrgames sure but it's a good fit for a 1080p screen

[@joelrene1559]

@@weplayvrgames Series S shouldn't even be allowed. It's way too blurry.

[@chrys9256]

Does ID Software licence their engine? I wish everyone would use it instead of Unreal.

[@Deliveredmean42]

They used to before the Bethesda buyout. It is curious however than MS never poke the bee hive to have it as well foe their own dedicated studios. Then again the engine is only good for first person games in its current state.

[@HybOj]

@@Deliveredmean42 it works in 3rd person in this game so I dont see your point

[@winKoneR]

@@Deliveredmean42 they stopped licensing it years before that... Q3 engine was probably the last iteration used outside id games

[@Deliveredmean42]

@@winKoneR Not quite, ID Tech 4 which was used for Doom 3 was also licensed out, but not as big of an extend like its predecessors, with Prey and Brink (remember that?) being the only two or three outlers while the rest were under activision. This was indeed a sign that they were Struggling which resulted in the buyout during the making of the ID Tech 5 engine.

[@sergeleon1163]

They (do) did in late 90s and early 00s many great games where developed using (modified) ID tech engines for example Half life is a modified ID tech engine, or games like Soldier of fortune and Star Trek Elite Force used it. I would love to see more devs both internal studios from Microsoft as well as 3rd Party studios / devs using ID Tech engine for their games.

[@etanlg]

I wish this was a Digital Foundry HDR video

[@emike09]

Agreed, the XBox version just published was HDR, why not here? Maybe Alex will do an HDR version when he does the full pathtracing review. Maybe.

[@MA-jz4yc]

@@emike09 Probably to do with the current state of HDR on windows which makes it difficult to capture

[@whiskhot]

@@emike09 Hdr + dlss in this game is buged. It produces very noisy lights bounces.

[@lm_dccxl4078]

eww no, the youtube app messes with the contrast and makes it awful to watch.

[@etanlg]

@ then turn off HDR silly

[@nathanfranck5822]

13:20 I think this is a tell for how they optimized shadows, they can preserve a previous frame of rendering and shift over the data to keep the cascade around the player... Maybe, could be just an attempt to avoid pixel crawl

[@tpabdo7857]

Just remember they could have just put low rt on xbox and make it 30 fps but they respected what the customers want

[@samson7294]

wonder why they dont make a performance and quality mode though

[@inertia_dagger]

​@@samson7294 pure speculation on my part 1. It's just more time required to test and tune. Any change like that takes up development and QA resources 2. Since idtech 5, I think, all idtech games on consoles always have had (at least) 60 fps, maybe they didn't want to break that tradition

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Idtech is designed for 60fps, the physics become trickier if the tic rate is below 60. id Software's cheif technical developer explained this on a DF interview.

[@inertia_dagger]

@@Wobbothe3rd oh yeah, also that. I remember doom eternal acting *weird* when dropping below 60

[@tpabdo7857]

@@Wobbothe3rd good for us!!

[@3KPK3]

Game already looks so damn good and I am excited to see how much better it will look with PT.

[@cn21gaming57]

Couple of issues I encountered which Alex didn't talk about: 1. In the 21:9 cinematic mode, using DLSS can cause frame time spikes in certain gameplay and cutscenes. Either switching to full-screen or turning off DLSS and using TAA fixes the issue. 2. When you pickup collectibles likes notes, artifacts, etc, in Vatican, there is a small frame time spike. 3. The game is quite cpu heavy in Vatican (that's how far I have played) and often gpu usage will be under 90% at 1440p with DLSS. I use a 13600k.

[@Eepy-Rose]

Oh God thanks for the warning about the CPU heaviness LOL I have a ryzen 7 3700x so I'll probably have it worse than you

[@cn21gaming57]

@@Eepy-Rose Ya but the thing is it doesn't result in poor frame times or any excessive fps drops. It's still very consistent and performant.

[@Jakiyyyyy]

This. I don't know why nobody mentioned about the CPU bottleneck in this game. For me it don't have to wait until Vatican, the prologue forest area already did it.

[@bjornironsides6474]

I have a 13600k too and thought the nvidia overlay was reading wrong... the intel app showed a max 47% recent utilization while nvidia's showed 79% in the Vatican during gameplay. Unless that's just one core? I don't know why the two different numbers. However, no noticeable performance issues and no fast fans or cpu heating up. Paired with 4070 ti.

[@cn21gaming57]

@bjornironsides6474 I wanted to know one thing, have you tried using path tracing?

[@stuartcopland6243]

I liked when you showed how the guys at ResetEra have no idea what they're talking about.

[@fracti9443]

Running this on a 3440x1440 monitor on a 7900XT completely cranked to the max and it runs superbly.

[@DANNYonPC]

7:28 So happy i got a decent deal on the 16g 4060ti instead of the 8gb one

[@Chill_Mode_JD]

@7:03 Ultra, Medium and Nope 😂

[@jamezxh]

Finally, a AAA title that’s not day 1 running on UE5 and broken.

[@no1DdC]

Don't get too used to it. This is one of two games running on this engine (well, a fork of it) and likely the last one. Id Tech are already working on a new engine and while it's probably going to be very efficient as well, it'll also have higher hardware requirements, like every iteration of their engine.

[@surft]

It's surprisingly a good game gameplay wise as well. Lots of people expected it to be bad. Glad it turned out good.

[@djpep94]

I had very low expectations I’m very glad to be so pleasantly surprised

[@MrWizardGG]

Lots of people are biased against any xbox game but even overwatch/marvel rivals shows people are biased against any competition to something popular.

[@WayStedYou]

I had basically zero interest in this until Johns video on the game the pre release footage was terrible in comparison to what was shown here. Downloading it on my series X now to try out on gamepass.

[@BeardedLearza]

So, a 3070TI with 8GB should be okay so long as you use the low settings. I also find it interesting that you were running it on a 3600. This could show that the CPU spec doesn't matter as much as they say it does; it's more of a recommendation to avoid bottlenecks.

[@1GTX1]

3600 runs that game at 100fps.. ID tech engine was never demanding on CPUs

[@VirtualityPCGaming]

Great analysis as always from DF - I noticed the frametime jumps during and between cutscenes as soon as I began playing but assumed it was due to frame generation.

[@JohnDoeGoGoGo]

90% of graphical difference on lower settings are completely unnoticeable during gameplay.

[@jgodden8022]

This is true for most games these guys analyse.

[@AnimeUniverseDE]

If you're using the highest graphical settings in modern titles you're setting yourself up to be disappointed by performance

[@joelrene1559]

yeah, if you have ADHD and just want to rush to the end of the game.

[@ehcor]

To you, not the ones that dont ride the short bus. Im a bus driver.

[@setadoon]

It's the same for Ray tracing.

[@seanjohn7802]

The VRAM thing is kinda wild. So a 16gb 4060 Ti will greatly outperform a 10gb 3080 in several situations? Nvidia could have made a 20gb 3080 but that would have made the card far too "future proof" Hopefully they are less stingy with VRAM with the 5000 series. I say this as someone with a 4090.

[@lol-o4g]

vram on the 5000 series will be very expensive because of what they are using, I'd say that would most likely mean the stingy vram levels on the cards will be more so because of this

[@unnoticedhero1]

I think there are leaks that make it seem like the 50 series is gonna be pretty close VRAM-wise to the 40 series but I could be wrong, personally I don't need or want a 600W card so I'd love it if the 70 series actually got upgraded to 16gb while 80 series gets 20-24 and 90 goes up to 32, but that's probably not gonna happen for another couple generations minimum, hell 70 series can't even get a 256 bit bus because then 4k performance would be less bottlenecked for the "mid-tier" $600 cards.

[@regawdless2264]

I wondered why the console versions looked that flat and glowy. This video explains a lot.

[@PixelShade]

I love the presence of AMD GPUs in Digital Foundry's PC coverage. It really makes it the best channel for PC coverage. 😆

[@DigitalFoundry]

Back in 2022 I polled viewers as to which aspects were most important to them in a PC DF Video in light of Limited production time. 3200 responses. 50.8% saw Optimised settings as most important. 26.1% saw graphics showcase as most important. 13.3% saw console comps as most important. And only 9.8% saw AMD vs. Nvidia comparisons as most important. Since then I have prioritised my work week to focus on the things people care about and only add in graphics vendor comparisons when I have a large surplus of production time. It is the least important thing and not why people seemingly come to DF PC videos. Typically anyone can go to a Benchmark Website or Channel to get that surface level info.

[@PixelShade]

​@@DigitalFoundry Sure, I get the time argument, but it also puts DF in a position where it has become an nvidia promotion channel (due to mostly/only covering nvidia). I personally hate the whole competition/war/versus discourse. It's not really about that, but rather showcasing the existence of other manufacturers. What DF does right now is funneling consumers towards nvidia although not speaking about anything else.... There are great alternatives out there and there's an ethical responsibility to cover a wider aspect of the PC market in PC related content.

[@rminhaz]

Thanks!

[@chilldude30]

This game definitely deserves DFs Graphics of the Year topspin! F*ck yeah Machine Games!

[@tazeem103]

in performance maybe, graphics would go to hellblade 2

[@kingfrozen4257]

no EU5 splash screen always brings tears of joy!

[@reticulating_splines]

appreciate the work as always Alex, sorted me out for a beautiful 60fps experience on my measly 3060 ti.

[@E_Sunbro]

I'm surprised there wasn't mention of the issues with the RTGI when DLSS is enabled. Grainy as hell on my system. I have to use TAA to make it stop.

[@Leebabins]

How did Alex adjust the at a distance texture streaming? He put on screen a change but not how to do it. Sorry, new to PC from ps5. So this may be a thing everyone knows how to do.

[@NightsofShadow]

I think it is pressing ^ opens up the console and there you can type it in. Was also looking for that

[@TheDarksideFNothing]

Most games have hidden settings that you can bring up either through a special character press or by editing a game file. I'm sure once the game has been out 5 min there will be a mod that can change that for you as well as a tutorial somewhere to show you how to do it yourself.

[@NightsofShadow]

@@Leebabins but I've gotta say, this introduces flickering for me while in motion on some objects. So I turned it to the default value again.

[@Jakiyyyyy]

That will comes at more GPU performance and VRAM cost. So proceeds with caution.

[@no1DdC]

@@Jakiyyyyy If it's like any other console setting, it's also not permanent and needs to be reapplied with every start of the game. I'm mentioning this for users who haven't used these settings ebfore.

[@abingeorge4984]

8 gb gpus need to be the new 4gb ones , entry level cards should have atleast 12gb of vram.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

Which means Intel had the right idea for their B500 GPUs.

[@FuzzyDlop]

@@antonkirilenko3116 Yes but sadly they won't be viable as drivers will be bad and most likely those GPUs won't perform well enough for editing, 3D and anything that's not gaming.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

@@FuzzyDlop Who's buying an entry-level gaming GPU for anything other than gaming? It's a waste of money at that point. As for drivers, you're probably right, but who knows? Maybe Intel did a miracle this time.

[@LuizFernando-li1du]

@@FuzzyDlop I've heard that Alchemist had some hardware flaws that were fixed in Battlemage, I believe the B580 won't be as bad as previous gen at launch. Intel also has QuickSync which some say is better than NVENC even. For Blender their GPUs are a little better than AMD already, but they're still behind NVIDIA by quite a lot. For non-gaming workloads they might be better than AMD I guess.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Memory costs money, and as the video clearly shows 8GB is enough for 1440p even with ALL SETTINGS MAXED besides texture cache and hair quality. WATCH THE VIDEO

[@uhPrize]

I hate that the discussions around games nowadays are filled with people complaining that they cannot max out every single game released. It's so fucking exhausting, cant wait to see 2060 users complain they cant play with full path tracing and everything set to ultra

[@betchaos7383]

Bro I thought I might be crazy or just biased when I saw the console video I was like "I can't be the only one who thinks this looks bad right? Like really BAD" Once you showed it next to the PC version and explained that it was just straight up ignoring some objects in calculation it all finally made sense

[@SuffocatedGuy]

3070 bros I don't feel so good. This is probably the last time I'm ever buying an NVIDIA GPU, they really need to step up their VRAM game.

[@RugsterClaps]

I can run this with everything on medium. Ill admit ive only had this card a few years and im alright planning an upgrade. 8 gig v ram is ridiculous

[@ShadowSlayer84]

What about 2070s? 😅

[@jeffchristian342]

I was running this fine on a 3070 up until turning in slates in giza, now it's 25fps and 138watt power draw at 99% gpu usage with latest drivers. I am also not running out of vram, close, but not per monitoring. I checked my other games and can still draw over 200watts easy, clearly something isn't right with Indy.

[@no1DdC]

Do you really want to miss out on DLSS and actually decent RT performance?

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Lol these AMD fanboy liars. This video clearly shows the 3070 will be fine. STOP SPAMMING THE COMMENTS WITH MISINFORMATION

[@DaleALMono77]

So glad I went with the 7800xt instead of the 4070 or 4070 super . 12 gigs of VRAM will definitely be an issue in the next couple of years .

[@adriannavarro9962]

@@DaleALMono77 the 4070 Super is still gonna beat your RX 7800 XT ass in most games, just like the RTX 3070 still beats, to this day, the RX 6700 XT in most games. There will be a few VRAM intensive games where your 7800 XT will perform better, but chances are it gets beaten across the board.

[@DaleALMono77]

@@adriannavarro9962 I'm fully aware the 4070super is a better performer my comment was however saying that I'm glad I went with 7800xt specifically because of future more than probable VRAM issues with the 4070 cards.I also didn't even mention price differences. I also don't care about ray tracing features if that you're next argument is because I see the Nvidia police seems to be in full force today .

[@adriannavarro9962]

@@DaleALMono77 my argument is that, by the time the bigger VRAM size of your GPU is a factor in most games, it won't probably matter much since the "better part" of those cards life expectancy will already be over. If you intend to hold on to it for as long as possible, the RX 7800 XT might be the right choice for you, but RTX 4070 Super will be getting the better experience most of the time.

[@no1DdC]

@@DaleALMono77 The thing is, ray-tracing features are increasingly less optional. You can't disable them in this game and there's no software fall back either. This will become the norm over the course of this console generation. Since AMD has focused on raster performance, the result will be that their cards will fall back even further, completely negating any advantage they might have in regards to VRAM. It's history repeating itself, since this isn't the first time that AMD has stuck lots of VRAM on cards that had no ability to make use of it. Before anyone accuses me of fanboyism, I'm using an AMD CPU and had ATI/AMD cards for many years.

[@Godmode_ON24]

Am I the only one that thinks the game looks like it's too flat? Like there's not enough shadows. Look at the scene where he grabs the medallion from the window for instance, at 1:33. The outside looks entirely flat, I see similar issues in the forest parts.

[@l67swap1]

It looks like something from several years ago

[@Wobbothe3rd]

You've probably got too used to the fake AO abused in games that lack real global GI. Ambient Occlusion is a stupid hack, it isn't necessarily true that the closer an object is to a surface the darker it gets, but sadly AO is used and overused in too many games, even Doom Eternal. Real life global illumination doest put a dark highlight around everything, actual light bouncing can make objects and surface BRIGHTER when closer in certain circumstances, like outdoors in sunlight.

[@Godmode_ON24]

@@Wobbothe3rd No it's not this, I saw the path traced version that came with the update and that one looks right. The non path traced RT just doesn't look right.

[@CDRaff]

1:13 I'll probably catch hate, but PC gaming will never be what it was in the late 90s and early 00s again as long as PC gamers act like their cards should be lasting 10 years... When was this magical time that graphics cards carried you for a decade because I don't remember it and I have been seriously gaming on PC since like 1999? Dude thinks a 900 series card should still be a viable option to play AAA games in 2024... What? Bring me back the days of releasing a game that no one could play at full tilt for at least 3-4 years so that PC gaming can really live again.

[@routine8]

ID / Machine actually make competently designed and optimized games. Very rare.

[@existentialselkath1264]

The consoles having settings lower than PC lowest should NEVER be acceptable. Clearly those options are useful optimisations for weaker hardware, so hiding them from the PC player pointlessly restricts potential players to those with higher end hardware

[@annonannnonymus]

You get what you paid for, cope

[@existentialselkath1264]

@annonannnonymus except you don't, because if you pay for a console comparable PC, decisions like this don't get you a console comparable quality (you get no quality, because you can't run the game). This isn't a problem for me, my 4070 can run this fine, but I never used to have such high end hardware. It's not cope, it's common sense.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Devs should include a preset named “console” or something in the graphics menu. Put a little description next to it that it is the console equivalent settings designed for weaker configurations etc etc etc.

[@tmorelli1982]

​@@existentialselkath1264 who buys a 4070? lol

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@tmorelli1982 I needed one for my work. I was well aware of the poor value and Vram at the time, but I'm studying game art, my 2060 super wasn't cutting it and I needed the RT hardware. For games alone, I'd never recommend it. This is all besides the point though.

[@grimlock8369]

No fall back to "poor quality raster". Almsot sounded like Jensen, was just waiting for "the more you buy, the more you save".

[@ccallaghan84]

It makes me sad that DF is in nvidias pocket. For a game with obvious issues with a lot of nvidias cards, I would have expected some AMD card coverage in addition. I’m highly interested in this game.

[@HueyTheDoctor]

When you informed MachineGames that running Supreme texture setting at 1080p completely breaks the entire game, what did they say? Whoops?

[@Anom-vd4kn]

I get 60+fps at 1440p on a 4070 8GB laptop with medium textures, ultra shadows and everything else maxed out, on Quality DLSS. I have an i9 13980HK as well.

[@diligaf1000]

Game developers should take note this is how it's done

[@Marcus7339]

I remember a few comments saying this game is going to be an unoptimized mess. I don't like when people make those comments without context. I hope they are eating their words rn

[@Dangerman-zg3ui]

People think their near 9 year old Pascal cards should run everything in the end of 2024 or even 2025 onwards smoothly.

[@Marcus7339]

​@@Dangerman-zg3ui lol! My buddy thinks his rx 570 should run monster hunter wilds at 4k 60 so I honestly feel where you are coming from!

[@AponTechy]

This game requires a rtx gpu and 8gb vram! How this is well optimised ?

[@Marcus7339]

@@AponTechy an rx 7700 is not an rtx GPU and is very budget friendly. And how long has it been since a GPU with less than 8gb of vram was released? I'm sorry if I offend you but it's time to upgrade and stop blaming developers.

[@cornelius8149]

Those must have been Playstation bots.

[@JosephBurdette]

This is why I'm glad AMD didn't skimp out on VRAM. My 6800XT still runs modern games at 1440 like a champ.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Did you even watch the video!? A 4060 can do just fine at 1440p with 8gb.

[@semyonzhigunov671]

Yeah, RX 7600 is known to have more VRAM than the Nvidia's competitor

[@no1DdC]

Given that this is a ray-tracing only game and AMD isn't particularly good at that, I'm not expecting the RAM to be all that useful. They've done this in the past, putting lots of RAM on cards that didn't have the power to actually utilize it.

[@unnoticedhero1]

@@no1DdC Now if only Nvidia would give the 70 class cards a bit more VRAM, a lot of games run great on a 3070/4070 but can easily get very close to the VRAM limit at 4k, I just want a 70 card with 16GB.

[@no1DdC]

@@unnoticedhero1 You're both right and wrong. Nvidia marketed the 3070 for both 1440p and 4K - but this was four years ago. There weren't many games back then that needed more than 8GB of VRAM at any resolution. The 4070 on the other hand is barely over 1.5 years old - but it has 12 GB of VRAM and they only ever mention 4K in its press release in regards to video upscaling, not gaming, instead clearly focusing on 1440p as the intended resolution. I'm certain that Nvidia wants you to spend significantly more on at least a 4080 (and soon: 5080) if your intention is to use one of their cards at 4K. I wouldn't be surprised if the coming 5070 will once again only have 12 GB of VRAM, because if we're being honest, there's sadly so little competition right now that there are no incentives for Big Green to add more VRAM than absolutely necessary.

[@GamerInVoid]

One problem that I have found in my testing. On Nvidia cards like the RTX 4070 Super, without Frame Gen, the frametime is very unstable. Even if we are getting 70-80 FPS at 1440P Supreme, it feels sluggish. But once we turn on FG, it smoothes out completely

[@whiskhot]

Try to enable Vsync?

[@dotms5195]

Happy to see that this video is not in HDR again. For some reason KZbin HDR videos turn my screen up to 11 and burn my retinas in the process. And the worst part there's no setting to switch it to SDR.

[@SirYodaJedi]

Not to mention they're washed out on SDR screens.

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

I think below 1080p (or 720p) was always SDR. But, well, that sacrifices visual quality. And I think it's normal for the screen to not be constrained in brightness in HDR to allow for proper dynamics and peak brightness for specular highlights etc. That's the point of HDR. The overall image should not be very bright, only the highlights.

[@rvalent9366]

edit : 7:10 yes this should be on the requirement chart the pc requirement don't show what is needed for 30 fps ye im not playing at 30 either, but if they said 2070 or 3060 for 1440p high 30fps, this looks more reasonable edit : oh i only looked at nvidia, the vram thing alex but i keep my point, just say "12gb gpu" or something as it's more important than the raw power

[@SolidBoss7]

Playing at 35-45fps at 1080p on a ROG ALLY X handheld.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

It doesn't show what is needed for 30fps probably because they were never considering 30fps to begin with. Even Xbox Series S version runs at 60fps and has no optional mode for 30.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Idtech doesn't do 60fps. For both gameplsy and technical reasons. It's like you guys HAVE TO find something to whine about.

[@SolidBoss7]

@@Wobbothe3rd you’re trying to say it doesn’t do 30fps and that’s just not true. A few idTech games on switch run at 30. It’s super easy to run this game at 60 tho

[@LanceMcClaren]

Played it on the Series S just to see how far ahead of everyone ID Tech is. It looks incredible on the S. Should be the industry standard

[@cromefire_]

NVIDIAs 8GB card's are already becoming a bad investment, even the 10GB on the 3080 was just not enough really for such a high end card. No matter the other caviars that do exist I think basically just only due to these small VRAM configurations (of course ignoring pricing as well) Radeon had been in a good spot til now, especially during RDNA2/Ampere times. Sure FSR still isn't the best, but it's better than only barely being able to run the game at all, especially in the 1440p and 4K ranges...

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

Yeah, I had that feeling at launch already; the RTX 3070 should've gotten 10 GiB and the 3080 12 GiB, that way these cards would be much better off. I still think so. Just easier said than done. I was somewhat disappointed by the options back then, I remember. Generally it was exciting to see AMD on the high-end and with RT hardware acceleration as well and Nvidia making their prices more reasonable again, but Nvidia was lacking VRAM and AMD increased their prices quite a bit, making them less attractive from a price-performance perspective, initially also only offering a $550 alternative to the $500 3070 (RX 6800).

[@Rashimotosan]

I can't believe we're getting a non-Unreal Engine AAA game that performs well and doesn't have stutter at the end of 2024.

[@eichs22]

Welcome patron to the Barbary Coast! Where every haircut is an adventure... Great song choice to start lol

[@Wackaz]

You don't know excited I am to play this game.

[@MattyJay03]

One of the most optimized games ever, unbelievable

[@HybOj]

try DOOM eternal... thats the best ever. 180fps in extreme battles on 3080 max details and raytracing, DLSS quality

[@RugsterClaps]

​@@HybOjsame engine. If anything this is better given the time

[@HybOj]

@@RugsterClaps I know its same engine, thats why I made that comment. Eternal look 10x better than Indiana and runs with raytracing at higher FPS.

[@waltuhputurdaway]

​@@HybOj😂

[@lloyd_r]

It belongs in a museum

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

Anything in particular?

[@otacon5648]

In isolation the Series X version looks amazing and still pretty good when next to the PC considering the price difference. (I’m PCMR btw)

[@bjornironsides6474]

There's something nice about popping in a game on console and not worrying about graphic settings too much. PC can be OCD inducing with all the settings you can tweek to try and get the best performance and visuals. It's nice that it exists, but I've spent more than an hour messing with settings only to end up pretty much at the game's defaults working the best lol

[@mbsfaridi]

12:53 You should’ve showed how much GPU and VRAM usage was increased using a higher LOD setting.

[@AnkerBanker123]

Die-hard Sony mfs wanna hate this game so bad, even though they’re getting it next year.

[@shubhamchaudhary768]

7:51 Indiana was Agent 47 all along!

[@mksii]

Please test AMD gpus and gaming handhelds too. You focus way too much on Nvidia.

[@antonkirilenko3116]

Due to a lack of FSR/XeSS support there wouldn't be a fair comparison.

[@valterbranisarajevo8731]

You know they focus on GAME not hardver right? This is not hardver comparison between amd or nvidia. Please stop being fanboy

[@Wobbothe3rd]

85% of the market is Nvidia.

[@ctrlectrld]

@@Wobbothe3rd Oh it's you again. When you make a technical evaluation and need to judge if a game is running well, acknowledging all the possible issues, you need to make sure that the issues are not vendor related, meaning: there are issues that can manifest on a certain brand of hardware and not on the other. If you test only on one brand of hardware and get an issue, you might think it's a game issue and not a vendor issue, and blame devs. But it could be a vendor issue, meaning that the game could be stuttering on Nvidia, but not on AMD. This very thing happened in God Of War Ragnarok DF PC review, where Alex blamed the devs for an issue that instead was Nvidia specific. If he tested also on AMD, he would have spotted that it was not a game issue, but a vendor issue.

[@TheSidorak12]

I cant believe I'm saying this but thank you Alex for being so much more honest in the pc review with the big issues this game has, the RT GI implementation is just not good (even on pc) but makes for a great buzz word I guess haha

[@Nucleosynthese]

Been waiting for the PC coverage of this one... Thanks for doing the work 👍

[@minagad7684]

I fumbled with the rtx 3060 laptop fr (6gb vram)

[@eucri]

My condolences

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Not really. Should run 60fps fine at 1080p.

[@minagad7684]

@@Wobbothe3rd at low textures

[@no1DdC]

@@minagad7684 Which look fine in my experience. I was actually wondering if the texture pool setting had any impact on graphics, that's how good the game looks on low. The days when you could count the pixels on low texture settings are pretty much over.

[@minagad7684]

@@no1DdC Actually the video shows a pretty big difference between low and the other texture settings

[@Jereb343]

First time I was blown away by videogame visuals since cyberpun

[@pennywisethedancingclown7139]

Really? Robocop looks better than most AAA titles, I thought

[@Yerinjibbang]

yes even without rt it looks very good

[@Seabass901]

Play Horizon Forbidden West.. That game blows everything out of the water graphically.

[@gorillagroddgaming]

Doesn’t even look that impressive. Cybersoy doesn’t look that great either.

[@Dionyzos]

You can't be serious. It looks good, but not THAT good