Can a Total Noob Learn Dota’s Hardest Heroes?

[@DigitalImmortality]

Fun fact: Invoker in first versions of Dota 1 had smt like 21 spell based not only what spheres you summoned, but THE ORDER YOU SUMMONED THEM

[@azod9189]

27 skills 3x3x3

[@helpmejeebus1]

Yeah. Crazy amounts or spells. Stupid summons were the most op shit! Dude! Riki ult trap ward, voids global stun. Crazy op heros.

[@13YoJest13]

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[@rasmusandersson4461]

Shit I remember trying to learn him in OG dota on WC3 about 15 years ago. I had a goddamn A4 printed out taped above my monitor with all the combinations, it was bonkers 😆 needless to say, I gave that up quickly

[@superitgel1]

Dota must bring back the old Invoker with 27 spells

[@projectporvette1914]

Your invoker play and improvement was by far the most impressive!

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Thanks man! It felt good to figure him out!

[@arthurprado7527]

Invoker is not hard at all, just demand some practice. Meepo, in other hand, is Very hard, microing heroes is super difficult.

[@jirasa4398]

​@@arthurprado7527he didn't had any practice, that's why it's pretty impressive

[@NoobMicesters]

​​@@arthurprado7527this is all subjective though. Someone who has a bad memory but high motor control and say played lots of rts games growing up, is going to find meepo way easier than invoker. What hero's are easier or harder massively depends on who it is doing the playing. But yes for a league player meepo is most likely the hardest coz micro isn't really a thing in lol

[@RagingAcid]

He literally highlighted his practice@@jirasa4398

[@TZAR_POTATO]

I think that, for League players, heroes in dota with intensive micro are the hardest to transition into, even if their kits and gameplay are on the simpler side. Those include Meepo, Arc Warden, Lone Druid, Visage, chen, brewmaster, and on a smaller scale Terrorblade, naga siren, beastmaster, Broodmother, and Lycan. Some heroes seem really complicated to dota players but would be actually much easier to pick up as league players (because minigame mechanics and skill shots being so prominent in LoL). These include invoker, Earth Spirit, Tinker, Tiny, Shadow Fiend, Void Spirit, and many others. Still offering if you want a coach.

[@DimpleTheDragon]

This is super interesting and makes a lot of sense! Trying to play a character like Meepo with a little mini-game was very overwhelming coming from league whereas with a bit of research, Invoker didn't seem nearly as hard. And I'd love that! I responded to your comment about it on my last video! Shoot me an email and I'd love to collab! ([e-mail])

[@durzaclonus8903]

Oh hey its Tzar Potato thanks for all you do for the new players man its cool to see that there's someone out there who makes an effort for them

[@ziadahmad2440]

Wow Tzar Potato Here Good to see u here man ❤❤

[@Mathghamhan]

This this a million times this

[@jekiro020]

I don't know if this is connected but I played Dota 2 for at least 7 years then tried Wild Rift and got hooked with it. I main Yasuo and reached Master Rank. Then I go back to Dota and never missed Invoker's tornado. It feels like Dota's skillshots have a wider hitboxes

[@serifcetinalp7176]

Tinker gets a LOOOOT harder as you fill your inventory with more active items. You are basically playing a hero with up to 10 abilities while each having basically no cool down.

[@marckusiv1297]

and by covering the whole map and not get caught.

[@doriangrayest]

That is why I hate it. It is just a non stop hotkey loop on crack at full speed for 20min straight after some time.

[@haidarramadhan1795]

Yeah. When u has everything make it more confusing.

[@kuroko22]

And don't forget the classic sheepstick dagon EB build.

[@mrj5948]

@@doriangrayestDUDE! THATS WHY I EXCLUDE TINKER ON MY DAILY RANK GRIND, LIKE BRUUHH THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME YOUR FINGERS AND BRAIN NEED TO BE ACTIVE YOU JUST REST TO FOUNTAIN,

[@Mi3Lie2poinT0]

Saying you carried as you grief tornado made me lol. Huge improvement though. The spells to cast in that situation where troll has already gotten root off were probably emp + cold snap. Great video as always!

[@DimpleTheDragon]

LOL I guess that shows just how much I know about the game haha!

[@SundaraRamanR]

​@@DimpleTheDragonTornado griefs happen even in TIs, so don't feel so bad. It's hard to judge in the chaos of battle whether you're disabling the enemy and setting up the battle, or if you're giving the enemy a few seconds of immunity and extra time to react 😀

[@13YoJest13]

@@DimpleTheDragon Yeah tornado kinda just sucks mid team fight unless it's used to disengage your team or save a ally. Pretty much only ever good for initiation or after team fights to catch extra kills. Still crazy good improvement imo.

[@rampantsarcasm2220]

they got the kill, so does it really matter, i wouldnt call that griefing

[@Mi3Lie2poinT0]

@@rampantsarcasm2220and that’s only a valid opinion because ES forgot he had ags. 😂

[@2bDoubleB]

lvl 10 tinker with no rearm is like a guy with no limbs trying to fight 9:27

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Dude I know. I can't believe I didn't take rearm in my first game

[@joltsur1315]

Lvl10 no rearm Gigachad tinker

[@TheRifild]

used to play like that like 10 years ago, poke supp tinker rofl

[@mrasyidia1456]

let our boy cooking

[@thetrueweirdest1]

I enjoyed the last one and this one and I just want to point out that the community making guides for Dota heroes are the real MVPs here. Your improvement after guides is huge and people getting into Dota might want to look into those.

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

Very fun video to watch. These 3 heroes are definitely at the top. If you ever do a follow up you should look up Chen, Earth Spirit and Arc Warden. Most of these heroes are hard because of the micro managing with several units, like with Meepo. It's especially hard for league players since Micro basically don't exist in League outside of Annie ult pretty much. Heroes that are hard due to micro management include Meepo, Chen, Lone Druid, Arc Warden and Brewmaster. Then there's the heroes that are mechanically hard due to their unique playstyles or combo gameplay with heroes like Invoker, Tinker, Earth Spirit, Morphling, Puck et.c. It's always fun seeing people try Earth Spirit for the first time. He's basically Lee Sin on crack.

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@BOBAIRTOE]

Lee Sin on crack sounds like a fun title for a video haha!

[@levisamom5069]

​@@DimpleTheDragonin terms of micro heroes there r some that r pretty good for beginners to pick up like brew master and visage... Their kit seems pretty complicated first with the wall of text ull probably read in the wiki but they r deceptively easy to play if u have some knowledge about what they do with some simple micro gameplay Also don't forget that demo mode exists for each hero... It's a very convenient way to learn the heroes' kit

[@ukko8457]

Lee sin was my favourite hero on league, so it was logical to play him I do enjoy playing Earth spirit but I can't manage to get my winrate over 50%

[@flowerfantasy3889]

puck is close to lissandra tho so i think she'll be easier. also i think a shaco player would adjust faster on micros

[@deltagamelord7347]

Dude, you are an absolute legend for doing this, I am a dota 2 player and seeing you just gives me absolute goosebumps on how hard our game is to outsiders. I always knew the barrier to enjoy this game was massive but based on your reaction and gameplay I can see how massive it actually is. So congrats you are doing amaying and keep it up. Maybe we can play together someday :D

[@Fathomorg]

From one dragon to another, well done! It's fun watching someone learn some of my favorite heroes again. Dota was the first moba I played back in 2014, and I started out as a herald with mid as my most played role. Since then, I have logged 271 matches of Tinker, 480 matches of Meepo, and 632 matches of Invoker. I hit immortal rank right at the end of 2022, and haven't looked back. While I enjoy these heroes, there are many more that I've come to love over the years as well. I'm now running around with 12.5k matches under my belt. I love almost everything about the game, and hope you did as well. Thanks for the nostalgia trip. Cheers!

[@rjw19]

This is the EXACT scenario I found myself in last week. Quit league after being relatively successful, but just became frustrated with the game and lack of skill expression. I always preferred higher “skill” hero’s like Draven. Invoker was the only one that peaked my interest instantly, so I put everything into learning invoker and dota. Been a fun ride so far

[@baitingmaster5622]

Try pudge first.

[@mistypeaks1375]

Welcome brother 😊

[@rjw19]

@@baitingmaster5622 I have tried Pudge and he is fun, but I play mid and think he’s very mediocre mid lane. Been playing Zeus, Invoker, and Primal Beast mainly

[@adamhercik581]

Try Earth Spirit. I love him. Gameplay-wise he's something of an Azir or Syndra because he summons statues and manipulates them.

[@srikausthubhah1729]

​@@rjw19 spam tinker so 1) you manage ruining your hands from the clicking and 2) it's automatic hate gain 😂

[@MrTrueFury]

It's actually so hype watching the Invoker progression happening. Meepo went about as expected. Tinker was funny to watch but I noticed you didn't get boots which means you had a very weird build queued up. Dota requires those small items early game to really let you build into the more expensive stuff. Sometimes spending that 2k on an unrelated item will get you to the 4k item quicker than just saving every piece of gold until you have 4k at once. The next few that would be hard to try and fun to watch would be these ones; Morphling, Chen, Rubick, IO. Thanks for the vid

[@habuseenanalien..3206]

Tinker doesn't need boots bro due to the new patch where he has its own teleporter skill he can teleport from towers to heroes as the skill levels.

[@doriangrayest]

Exactly my man over here said it all, the dumb op hero was made even dumber by tossing travel boots in his kit WITH A SHIELD THAT HAS STATIS RESIST so you cant even initiate properly on the fucker

[@doriangrayest]

And tbh Io, Rubick and Chen are hard but require coordination, game knowledge, map awareness more than micro fingers. Io is an instant loss with randos most of the time. Rubick has a fun game every 4 matches, most are just meh normie boring skills and Chen needs a whole lot of knowledge and game sense. My boy here needed to read invoker skills and tossing 15+ neutrals with specific spawns, habilities/mechanics and levels will be a nightmare of a Wiki filled snoozefest

[@hakeemcanonio3840]

You may want to make this a series. Try Visage, Io, Rubick, Puck, Arc Warden, Lone Druid, Chen and so much more. They're difficult DotA2 heroes to play too.

[@jobar1694]

Dont forget techies too

[@azuragoddess]

Io is easy hero.

[@BlueFlash215]

I wouldn't put Io and Rubick on that list. Until 2015 my main heroes were Tinke (MARCH!), Pudge, and Invoker for mid and Chen as support. Those were considered to be "difficult heroes. I often played Ruckick especially because of Rubick Wars in the Workshop sinking dozens of hours into this hero. I'd say a 6 slotted Tinker is way worse than Rubick. Where Tinker is about micro and trying to stay focoussed, with Rubick it's a waiting game, trying to blink in just at the exact second. Catching a nice ult or two

[@xCoZz1]

Rubick/io and visage are not so hard btw Earth spirit should be in this list

[@pasem5297]

​@@xCoZz1rubick is literally impossible to master and has a unique build for EVERY single game if you know it well lol

[@unsinn6848]

I really like your dota videos, it's always been interesting to see how other people learn complex games in their own unique way. The editing is pretty high quality and the videos are a blast to watch. Have you thought about trying to stream your own games? Live content, first emotions and communication on the stream have their own charm. I would like to see some of those 5 games in full.

[@EpicLoL_]

I really enjoyed this! you improved a lot. I feel like every time I see a Meepo its either they are a mega troll griefer or the best smurf oneshot master. I feel like for league players the champs that are high speed, movement and skillshots are probably the best even when hard and the more micro movement, intricate mechanics that collaborate is probably harder. Also wish you tried some of the hyper carrys that require perfect early game CS and Levelling to get insane games with like Medusa or AM. I feel like Lone Druid, Arc Warden and Brewmaster could be interesting too. I also think you could try some perma CC/ stun builds to show the real difference between LoL & DOTA LMAO.

[@DimpleTheDragon]

I think I was the mega troll griefer Meepo LMAO And thank you for the ideas! I'd love to try those things out! :)

[@BOBAIRTOE]

As a league player myself, I would very much like to see some of the roles in dota compared like this!

[@leezarAbeeks]

​@@DimpleTheDragonthe video was interesting and fun to watch 🤣🤣 I like to play dota but dont have that good laptop to run it But knowing that meepo is harder than invoker thats new to me and tinker was pretty interesting didnt know that

[@dZheymsK]

Its insane how much you improved in the span of 5 games, and as a Invoker enjoyer myself, im happy to see you enjoy playing the hero, did you know he used to have a whopping 27 spells back in DotA 1? Im not kidding. Love ur vids, keep em coming!

[@YohanGever]

Duuuude it's so good to see you're having a blast with the game, and with the hardest heroes at that. Tinker is my favorite hero and seeing you pull up a Datohleong video to learn made me laugh because Datohleong is well known for doing meme builds. Keep up the great Dota content man!

[@johnchristian8685]

He didnt get to experience tinkers old E

[@eck1997rock]

valve: Merry Christmas!

[@smilinggeneral8870]

Just a small tip on the tinker part, don't get too fixated on the phylactery build so much for the following reason : - It slows the rest of your item timing if you didn't get kill - It forces you to play close range which tinker shouldn't do since he got no escape and needs a safe 4 seconds to rearm - It makes you a sweet target for ganks or focus fire since you got no escape You can do the build until around average skill level though, where people starts to know enemy weakness and strength.

[@haryok8940]

And also manacost talent is basically most OP talent you will ever see

[@RobinOfDoom123]

your meepo panic at 6:40 ish made me laugh so hard that I had to sub, great content dude!

[@ZeddNightshade]

To be able to play perfect tinker with high APM, u need to disable auto attack and used quick cast ability to deal massive damage in short time. If u r still learning, try to use shift queue. Using shift queue prevent u from misplay or getting caught, but it'll cost u with backswing animation and delayed ur spell activation. u can shift queue ur blink into trees when teleporting and then shift queueing again when rearming. Playing tinker is like how a ninja should be...

[@ZeddNightshade]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIKsmqeYnbqanqssi=tAWijTq-Q1Z7mKIc This is what a nightmare tinker in high bracket

[@ZeddNightshade]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXXCfn96fNCleLssi=4Z53DB99ROzZlzw7 And this is what tinker in late game with 5 active item looks like

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Interesting! I've never heard of this before so I'll have to look into it, thanks!

[@ZeddNightshade]

​@@DimpleTheDragonyeah after learning how to shift queueing properly, tinker user need to master the backswing cancelling. That's the key on how tinker so fast in casting the ability. After all tinker is all about positioning and how fast and coordinated ur hand on the keyboard. just type "tinker backswing cancelling" to learn it.

[@glorytoarstotzka330]

5:26 when you just win a very hard dota 2 match and you hear your parents already clapping while you are walking towards their door

[@rafaelranes51]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@Zestieee]

Invoker and Tinker require you to be 2x sped up irl, while Meepo requires at least two more brains

[@bang_lihat]

What I love about your video the most is that you ACTUALLY willing to LEARN the game! I have seen soooo many League creators jumping to Dota, seeing the heroes "oh this guy is just Corki, this guy is Darius" but doesnt bother to learn the hero skills and gameplay mechanic, absolutely fumbling in their game, and quitting after just 2-3 games. Respect to you man! Wish other creators are more like you ❤

[@truedan1]

The fact that you sought out videos and demo practice already makes you better than 90% of players. If you want to do another video like this I think it would be fun to see you try Lone Druid, Morphling and Chen.

[@mestevesx]

fr, the biggest part of the "dota is too complicated" crowd don't even read their skills once. let alone research guides and practice. dimple seems like he would stick to like the game a lot after he's past these 'challenge first reaction' games.

[@mariusbotha5600]

I've been playing dota for years now and in just a few games your invoker was by far better then what I can do with him, well played man.

[@danknightk6987]

i love this type of content keep uploading

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Thank you!!

[@ragragrec1]

Good stuff man - as a invoker enjoyer you got the idea right, his tactics to adapt to the situation is how he is to be played. You've given me hope for learning tinker!

[@corporaldoge815]

Before in Dota1 he has 27 spells 💀

[@Ponyeta]

12 to be exact..and the summons has skill.. he has a forcestaff like skill before ,..

[@hardaesisop3807]

​@Ponyeta his first iteration had 27. Each for diffrent combination of orbs and their order.

[@MrDantevergil90]

@@Ponyeta noob

[@kola8989]

Bro didn't play, but knows everything

[@floppycat7166]

You played that tinker very well. A tip I can give for you is not to worry about damage. Tinker has a high damage not to mention he can refresh his skills. Just get your soul ring and dagger and find a great position on team fight. Don't get too close on the enemy, as much as possible just use your missile. Also tinker would be great if your team provides vision by any means(wards, illusion, skills) as this will help you secure kills or using items like shivas. Ghost scepter, euls or manta will aslo help you on the later phase of the game.

[@arne3544]

Amazing content. You defenitly need more subs 😀

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Thank you

[@Rudolf-d]

It's really fun to watch these. As a person who taught my entire class at school how to play dota years ago it brings back memories people constantly coming and asking questions, wholesome content.

[@champion1ish]

Ideally for meepo, make sure you have a key bind for 1. the original 2. all meepos 3. set 2 meepos / set 3 depends on your preference. Once you get your clones, it's time to snowball on farming, and map presence. If one of your meepos is on standby, it's bad. Ideally, you snowball on farming, last hits once you get your 1st clone. Make sure you have at least one meepo with your team during fights (ideally the main) for the blink poof mechanic. But tbh, communication is the key when playing meepo, since you can split push, while during clash, block waves, clear stacks all at the same time if you have communication = additional info for map awareness. Have fun! :>

[@pinsjustpins9667]

4. 1 meepo just standing on well when you have 3 or more meepos to heal or escape swap without using tp

[@enriquesanchez3929]

Hi, How do I set 2 units in 1 key? Can you help?

[@Beeelzebud]

@@enriquesanchez3929 the default should be select the two or however many units you want by dragging the left mouse button over them and press ctrl+1 to set the first group. You can set up to 6 teams like that I believe from 1 to 6. And when you press 1 to 6 after that it should automatically select the team you made by dragging over and pressing ctrl+1 to 6.

[@doriangrayest]

@@pinsjustpins9667 nah, no need for that, it will just fuck up the poofs. Besides, with Dig and Megameepo, having a fountain meepo really is unnecessary and with PackRat it leaves you with 3 meepos which is pretty shit

[@whisper3884]

The three hardest heroes I wish to see translated into League's space! I was a DotA 2 gamer before I settled on League as my MOBA of choice, but not a day goes by where I don't miss the over-complicated bullshittery of these heroes, cause the closest we have is Aphelios I guess? Maybe Shaco + clone? I even have a dream of Hwei being somewhat like Invoker, but I somehow think that kind of thing might be a lil too much for Riot's spaghetti code (would certainly love to be surprised, tho). It's really nice to see you enjoying yourself so much in pursuit of knowledge - this is the kind of content I wish we'd see more of in the League space. No biases, no baseless negativity, just someone genuinely having fun learning, win or lose. I myself find anxiety commonplace these days in terms of gaming, because where there's experience, there's expectation; your vids remind me that it's ok to just... play, for no reason other than having a good time in your own way. EDIT: I'd very much enjoy seeing you try Arc Warden, Lone Druid, and Nature's Prophet!

[@lamvutran9345]

Micro insanity like meepo sadly can never make into league. It's an engine problem. League are built from the ground up to be a game where you focus entirely on your champ, unlike dota that start out as a mod in a rts game. Therefore, League don't really have real micro management to accommodate heroes like Chen, Brood, Meepo, etc. And no way in hell I'm trusting hero like Invoker to the balance team with 200 years of experience

[@gaborcsuzi4504]

@@lamvutran9345 Well, the engine can still accommodate such mechanic in a really junky way, but League have a different focus. You can learn the hardest champions in lol in a day, their real difficulty is from its proper usage. A great example is syndra, pretty easy to learn, but extremely hard in its environment. Your only really offensive spell is e, and most of your combos built on it, but if you miss it you are as good as dead, any competent player will just finish you off. Champions in LoL are hard, because they are unforgiving or they need a really specific playstyle, not because they are complicated.

[@lamvutran9345]

​@@gaborcsuzi4504 it literally can't though. Those junky ways you mention, ie using an ability or movement, are all methods to control other units INDIRECTLY. That why I said there are no true micro in League, and I use the dota term meaning control and switching between multiple available units. Meanwhile, you can control each and every unit in dota as if it / they are your main hero, aka the defining trait of an RTS. The most clear example of this is brood mother vs yorrick. A pro brood can span 10-20+ spiderlings individually across the entire map for vision (see Brood mother highlight during TI 11 for references.) You can't do that with yorrick. His zombies need a skillshot to guide it to attack something you want or they'll just wail at units until despawn or lost target. Dota also has heroes like that. Skeletons of Wrath King for instance. But league can't and never will have champ like Chen, Brew Master, Meepo. As for the other point, you ignore the Sven, Sniper, Wrath King, eh? Do you really things all dota heroes are like Brew Master and Invoker? Heck, even heroes that are widely considered only slightly below the like Invoker or Meepo in term of difficulty to master also have pretty basic abilities. Ember, Puck, Timber all have skillset that aren't that hard to grasp compare to Akali, Aatrox, Fizz, Elise, etc. What make league so much more accessible compare to dota is actually everything else around the player character. League has smaller and symmetrical map, no high ground, no creep stack, pull, block, deny, no day-night cycle, no buy back, items are mostly stat sticks, no micro, no fortification, no scan, no smoke, League inhibitor respawn while dota don't. The list go on. Tl,dr: League is more accessible and way more popular, but not due to champ design.

[@gaborcsuzi4504]

@@lamvutran9345 "Those junky ways you mention, ie using an ability or movement, are all methods to control other units INDIRECTLY. " Yes, but you can still control more characters, even if you have to control them indirectly. You can change the HUD easily as we seen with Kayn for example, programming something to follow a different hero is easy, and making one of his abilities change between characters and bind the button spam to the right click instead is just as easy. The opportunity is there even if its junky. I'm not saying those mechanic doesn't exist in DOTA, but that in LoL its not the difficulty of the champion that matters. Showing easy champions as hard was a mistake, it might not serve my point properly. There are many really complex, extremely complicated characters in LoL easy to play. The difficulty of a champion matters way less in LoL, because the difficulty is set by the environment only. A great example might be Ekko: In theory extremely complicated, the proper usage of his skills are really hard to understand/master. In theory he should be a hard champ, but its really easy to play with him: Farm creeps till level 8, then push the minions and roam. If you make a bad call, just use r and you are out of it. Its hard to play, but its extremely easy to understand your role, playstyle, and things you should do, you can even be stupid and greedy, simply because you have an r that instantly takes you out of it. You still use all of his abilities, it just not the champion that is difficult, not at all, but the role the champion plays and the way the champ does it. There is micro in LoL, its just above plat. In LoL they still learn the same amount that a Dota player does, but because it has less mechanics there is a way bigger tone on each of them. Macro in high elo LoL matters way more than in high elo Dota, the same way as every aspect of the game. You can't learn the same level of skills with the same amount of work if you have 3-4 times the material to learn. One doesn't just gets 10 times better at learning because he is a Dota player. In LoL the difference between a Diamond 4 player and a Master is just as big as between bronze1 and plat4, which means 80+% of the players. The difference just gets more and more sophisticated, the skill isn't capped out, even top players still learning the game, despite the game being easier. In the end your tldr is exact thing i wanted to say.

[@lamvutran9345]

@@gaborcsuzi4504 It's clear to me you haven't seen the insanity of dota. Your entire argument can be summarize into: league can do what dota can (which in this case, micro management style gameplay) but just didn't because it's not their focus. Bullshit. Check this video for instant. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHPZipaNp9Zkeposi=IDs55lscd-ppUPJL Around the 21-22 min ingame time the Brood Mother individually span 20 ish spiderlings across the map. Individually, controlling, 20 units, directly. Something like that cannot ever exist in League, so Meepo can't, either. Do you really think a game which wouldn't allow selecting just one other unit under your control via a tab or left click would even be able to do that shit? No. The only reason dota is like that is because its root is a mod in warcraft 3 while League can be built from scratch. League has more leerway in its creation, and they decide to create a simplify / streamline version of dota. Meanwhile, dota 2 is more or less a port. The other argument is their "focus", in your oppinion, but in fact the skillset of dota heroes are just as simple as, if not even more so, as league. So you can know what most heroes do in 15 mins or so. It's the things outside of your player character that make dota so much less accessible compare to league.

[@elek323]

Haha, very entertaining as always man. Props to you for trying to learn the big brainy heroes! It’s always enjoyable seeing your perspective. Coincidentally one of my earliest heroes I learned was meepo. Thanks to him, he helped me understand alot about how to play dota more efficiently. Meepo is one of those heroes where you need to understand more about the enemy drafts so you know which spells to dodge before engaging mid to late game since he doesn’t buy bkb. Tracking spells is always good to do on all heroes, just some heroes like meepo or arc it’s much more punishable if they goof than a WK or tanky hero. It’s great to see how far you’re progressing and at such a great rate too!

[@itseasymode]

Hold up bro I just found your channel and thought this was an actual 500k+ subs channel. Keep grinding and pumping out videos, this thing is gonna pop pff

[@silverX362]

(Meepo player here) When you get caught out of position, and everybody attacks one of your meepos, you just start attacking with all the other meepos for lifesteal (when a meepo attacks he heals the others), and if you have shard, you dig the meepo attacked. Basically you either kill all of them, or die. This is the main reason this hero is one of the hardest, you have to position your heroes perfectly, because if you are caught out of position, the possibilities of coming out alive are slim. You did a very good job on all heroes tho, really happy to see such content!

[@miningfordiamonds7978]

It’s so cursed seeing the camera constantly follow the hero

[@cukkucake]

1:38 the timing of the message saying to be patient with newer players is perfect

[@enso8762]

My advice to you on meepo after seeing the meeposki video, you don't need to copy his build or how he plays. He's already good at this while you are new. Use these hotkey layout, it's more practical 1: all meepos 2: clones only 3: meepo prime(main) 4: meepo 2+3 5: meepo 3+4 F1-F4: clones 2,3,4,5 hotkeys 4 & 5 are not necessary

[@johncross4642]

agreed, actual meepo player advice right here

[@enso8762]

@@johncross4642 Doesn't matter anymore since looks like they stopped reading comments lol

[@Zarkinn]

hey buddy, this is the second video i see in your channel about dota 2, and i have two things to say: 1. I love the way u show your game learning, it remembers me the time when i started to play dota and the feeling of success when you achieve certain game skillplays, its just nice. 2. very good learning skill with these dota 2 heroes, u are impressive, however remember that u only have 20 hours of gameplay at the moment of this challenge, so probably right now u havent fight with high skill players yet, thats when u realize that only knowing and understanding the hero mechanics are just not enought, i would say that u have an idea of how to play these heroes, but at least for now theres a long way to master any of them, i hope someday u would made it. greetings.

[@duy16891]

I really admire Invo players, because Invo is very difficult for me.

[@SlicedClipSpot]

watching you have fun learning dota or any game made me realize what im missing out instead of being mad. good vid man

[@jericoaricayos9725]

Again I'm really impressed with this guy. Really hope this channel blows up even more. Love to see you play dota

[@truedan1]

2:00 the predictive meatball was INSANE

[@neekobaby271]

Ey as a invoker main, kind a proud with your progress man like it's not easy hero even a normal dota player is having a hard time doing the combo. AWESOME!

[@neekobaby271]

And also, tbh it take me 6-7 months to be "good" at meepo. And I'm a immortal rank player it's like a challenger rank in LoL I think.

[@Show.NeverTell]

I just saw your vid on facebook and it's fun to watch so I had to visit your ytc. if you continue using it you can master those heroes you're great already even if you're a beginner.

[@imValerium]

Nice! I like the video ideas you have - and well produced too! GGs

[@jackblack5907]

Been loving the content man, watched your first vid thinking youd stop trying out dota but proved me wrong.. heres my sub

[@VENOM11011]

Great video! I am surprised there was a tinker, but if you ever wish to do part 2, i am really looking forward to your visage, druid and chen gameplay.

[@jakubtuma7507]

Hello Dimple, I just came across your videos and I freaking love it! I am 7k mmr (immortal with higher numbers) and duuude, I have like 500 games on invoker, 700 games on Phantom Lancer, but I still can't play meepo or tinker, it's like a whole different game for me. Awesome for trying like that, loved your commentary, you were on point with everything. Invoker was your best for sure, few more games and you will be one of invoker spammers. Good luck to your adventure of dota my friend! I am looking forward to next video. (and also you should try Earth Spirit, this hero is also on my NOT TO PLAY list).

[@doriangrayest]

nah man PL is so easy compared to Meepo...Naga, TB, Arc would be more accurate comparisons but PL is very forgiving and babyproofed compared to meepo. PL has illusions but you basically play like a single hero since they last for nothing. If you play PL try Naga and get used to farming 1 camp with each illusion, maybe in 2 illusion groupings at first. PL requires some real micro in clutch situations to bamboozle enemies but meepo requires constant generalist micro to farm just like Naga. Eventually you will be playing as a single hero again while consistently microing your other units around to farm just like Naga/TB and realize Meepo is just an overcomplicated Mid just like Invoker (IMO Invoker plays like Lina but with a lot of spells, while Tinker really is another game where you need to go full crack mode hotkey loopin for 1h which is boring AF)

[@tcgoober]

Im so proud! I love seeing ppl learn and succeed! The absolute glee in the invoker g5 was awesome

[@roilangarcia]

You are a story teller. At first I thought this channel already has millions of subscribers. The quality of your video deserves millions of subs.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

That Windranger switching to HotS-Tracer gameplay was just disrespectful. :D

[@1VeryModestMouse]

So funny watching you manually click on screen to try to select meepo instead of control groups 😊. Although even for a guy that came to dota from wc3 with over 10k hrs and divine rank, I still very rarely even try the hero. He takes a very certain set of skills to play at a high level and to that even something resembling a basic level. Great video idea though, I really enjoyed it. Cheers!

[@boomerhandssS]

Loved the vid, the learning process of dota is so enjoyable. I'll never forget getting my first rampage on meepo and waking the house up lol. Your invoker improved really fast, he's very powerful if you know a few combos. Ice walls and knowing which spells to throw/save on Invoker takes thousands of games, it's a pleasure watching good Invokers. Looking forward to your updates in the future. Maybe give Elder Titan 20 games as core and support (:

[@doriangrayest]

Elder is the most sleeper pick hero in this game. People dont know how crazy he is in the right hands but damn is he clunky to play

[@jrbudoybudoy]

Been watching you for a while and wondered why I haven't subbed yet. Here's my sub and I wanted to say that you're doing good! Love the improvement which proves with dedication, you can be good at anything!

[@hassaankhan4087]

As an old dota enjoyer and player, I can pretty much see why this game doesn't have many new players. It's extremely difficult to grasp, on every level. From the map, the gameplay and the heroes. "Learning" a hero isn't the difficult part, you can do that pretty easily. The practical application of that learning into real time gameplay is what's actually tough. Nice video bro, keep it up.

[@Пень1Бук1]

Инвокер самый простой из всех сложных в освоении, если плавно погружаться. Сначала бегаешь с 2 заклинаниями, потом привыкаешь держать на всякий случай шары на невидимость, в случае опасности нажать ульт и уйти. Ну потом потихоньку потихоньку привыкаешь по 3, по 4 заклинания выдавать за раз. И главное выучить комбинации как таблицу умножения

[@MatheusFP104]

Watch Tinker gameplay: That's so dumb. Yeah dude, it is

[@DeltaMarlfox]

One of my friends from League tried to cheer me up by showing me this video. I will say I gave it a like, and may consider making my own "DOTA's Hardest Is Easiest For A Perma-Loser At League" video someday.

[@georgesarreas5509]

I actually started playing dota 2 back in ... 2012 because i wanted to play invoker and meepo... I was already playing league but fell in love when i heard about a hero with 10 spells (i was a ryze player). Awesome to see man

[@thechosenone3852]

Amazing video! But like I said in your previous Dota related video, I really wish that you upload the full VODs of these games cause they are really fun to watch and I want more of your reactions and commentary.

[@crimson4066]

Tinker's main farming ability is march of machines, which requires an aghanim's shard (purchasable at 15 min). I think if you had that, you'd see how much fun he can be by pushing every lane simultaneously.

[@Keldarise]

Honestly, I had no idea I would enjoy watching a beginner's view of Dota this much. Please do more Dota related videos, try some other advanced heroes, this is gold! Definitely got a sub from me! 😁

[@edde2429]

Great video and great choice of heroes for this challenge! One with a lot of spells, one with a lot of characters and one with a lot of items to use.

[@BlueGlue1]

u learning these heroes is still higher impact than my teammates playing them in 6k bracket

[@nevermore013]

Tips for those who want to learn this heroes Invoker: Mind your spell casting and have a vision of how you want to play the first 15 minutes. Meepo: just practice till you are comfortable micromanaging all of your meepo. Mind your positioning and who you will target in the fight. Tinker: Having fast fingers is neat. Map control is great once you acquire blink. Mind your positioning and where you will blink. Buy bkb if necessary.

[@TodoSantana]

As a support main, I really enjoy watching this video-can relate in spiritual level haha! I have friends whose really good playing this stuffs and always blows my mind whenever see them play them. You do need to learn a lot about itemss!!! Hope you'll have a video on learning builds ❤

[@qwerdasfuhgeo6248]

Impressive skills, i think you're a natural at moba games, you're pretty good, great vid :>

[@春菅原]

I have been playing dota for less than a year and i have never seen anyone play tinker ever.

[@unknow11321]

Niceeee as a guy who stopped playing this game again. This brings me back. Great video

[@marlongrunen2221]

Pls some more dota content. I LOVVVE it. Keep up the good work. Ur editing skills are fire

[@WoobertAIO]

Amazing video holy fuck. One thing I'd recommend for the future: Command queue (shift-queue) is a core mechanic in every RTS game, that never gets explained in the tutorial. Same with Control Groups. I'd recommend you look into both of those in games like Starcraft 2, or Warcraft 3, then check how they apply to Dota 2. Shift-Queue makes playing heroes like Meepo, Terrorblade and Naga Siren infinitely easier - at least when farming (in a teamfight you just wanna select them all and wallop a single target)

[@arcrogue28]

8:16 That windranger quite literally ran a circle my god

[@farisbastian]

I'm glad you're improving so much in Dota. So fun to watch

[@ajbalin4606]

It's impressive, can't wait for you to try Rank games that's a totally different game experience compared to usual pvp.

[@watervirgin4575]

If you can play Invoker and Thinker like that, you have a knack for a spell caster hero. Probably, you're good at RPG too. Great video!

[@Bananian93]

For meepo u need to bind some options in the keyboard/mouse. Like "select all units" or "swap to next unit controlled". And also with ctrl + key, u can use the unit u choosed by pressing the key u choosed.

[@Bearisamir88]

bro, the dota in game tutorial is highly underrated....

[@low-tierdotafan7340]

Subscribed because of the 2 dota vids, hoping for more in the future

[@McMillanTAC]

Absolutely ignoring the utility of puff is what makes meepo babies so entertaining to watch.

[@aboiajiev]

Learning what the hero does is one thing. Playing that hero at a decent level is completely different beast. The skill ceiling is immense in dota. I've played that game for over 15 years and hit the highest ranks and I still have trouble with some heroes at times.

[@muhammadtsabit9133]

I hope you keep grinding these heroes and make a video about the improvement :D

[@jaymun9075]

This guy plays his hero very well and gets better items than the people who play in my average, nice video!

[@d.clownsfesta8513]

Greetings bro. I'm a Dota player...and let me tell you that you did pretty well for not having so much exp with Dota 2 (which is noticeable haha), Good job...stay strong. Although playing chen is still worse hahaha. Meepo is EZ and the invoker can be mastered with practice. Hi from Cuba

[@DimpleTheDragon]

Haha thank you I appreciate it! It was really fun to challenge myself and give them a go!

[@Side85Winder]

In wc3 dota chen was clasified as hard if you played what was called a dominator build. Basically you focused on creep domination and holy persuasion. This allowed you to take controll of a the netural camp monsters giving you multiple minions to control. The best neturals were the centaur and troll trapper used with the aura stacks mobs.

[@shmelvinjoestar3586]

I really enjoy your dota videos dude, keep them up.

[@JaysonTram007]

Awesome video! As a dota player, I'd definitely say there are heroes that are easy to pick up and hard to master, and heroes that are hard to pick up and easier to master. Meepo is definitely one of the hardest to pick up and master, whereas Invoker and Tinker are a bit easier to pick up but still really hard to master. Two more hard heroes that you may like to try are Arc Warden (Tough micro, Tinker levels of spell casting but you are controlling two of them lol) and Ember Spirit (Basically the Yasuo of dota, all about dodging and has a lot of mechanical skills to learn).

[@doriangrayest]

Arc is a little meh for this content because "a total noob" wouldn't grasp his gimmick easily at first hand and Arc''s skills make very little sense in a kit, they have 0 synergy

[@manoi8]

Crazy challenge but you did really well you tried 3 really different heroes and subsequently, you covered up many things a lot, like item build & timing, group micro, and skill combo I hope you enjoy discovering as many other amazing heroes too Also more clips of your reaction when researching the heroes, please!

[@skycocaster]

getting somewhat decent at invoker in 5 games is really impressive, congrats !

[@CerealKIllaDoky]

6:41 i like how you even sound like meepo lmao

[@rev9115]

watching this vid makes me miss those times when i was learning a completely new hero as a teen

[@rustombueno7519]

Another video please! It's fun to watch! Good luck on your next heroes!!!

[@mosesghimiray8346]

maybe try earth spirit or chen or oracle next time nice video gives hope to newer players ohh and dont forget visage,keep going broda good stuff

[@AxeDatcm]

I've stop playing dota about 4-5 years ago Prett fun to watch, subcribed man

[@thecrowbarjones2880]

your videos are so fun to watch!!!!! keep it up btw the mini map on the right is so awkward to watch😂😂😂

[@brockmyers338]

Nice video man, great work as always!

[@Domiinthehouse]

1000 game in invoker still i learn something new every day.

[@TheSp3cial0ne]

4k hours on Dota and I've never even attempted to learn Injoker. This was motivating.