DIRT 5: Screwed Both Ways

[@DustinEdenYT]

To summarize it from my perspective: They tried so hard to distinguish themselves from Dirt Rally, that they completely failed to understand what made the mainline series so good in the first place. All they had to do was copy all of Dirt Rally's strengths (or even content), simplify the handling, add more game modes and everyone would have been happy. Instead we got floaty handling, awful game speed and visuals that have definitely burned my retinas.

[@b.1570]

Thats the deal with Dirt 4 and people hated. but when Dirt 5 released people started to say Dirt 4 is a good game. like wth?

[@TheJakeMG]

DiRT 4 is good by comparison, honestly. 4 is mechanically good, has most of the standard DiRT modes, has a good soundtrack, etc. Compare that to 5. 4 wasn't nearly as good as 2 and 3, which was focused on when it came out, but now that 5 is worse 4 is seen as "better than 5". That doesn't make it great - the series just went down an extra tier in terms of quality.

[@shira_yone]

Dirt 4 is like Grid 2019 imo, it's also just perfectly mediocre.

[@yol_n]

@@b.1570 I think people hated dirt 4 on release but slowly started to like it. It even has positive reviews on steam. I think the hand-crafted enviroments was more of the issue rather than any technical aspect. Really, I think if Dirt 4 had hand-crafted enviroments or even (the best option) handcrafted enviroment for the career but procedurally-generated enviroments for the weekly challenges and multiplayer it would be the best.

[@potatogirlcultist19]

@@b.1570 I think many people were expecting a DiRT Rally sequel. Remember there were two physics modes in the game, one for DiRT 3 and another for DiRT Rally. I never tried the DiRT 3 mode, but the DiRT Rally mode felt horrible. They should have just made it for one demographic instead of going for both at the same time.

[@huajiang9241]

Dirt 5's floaty physics is kinda like the first two motorstorm games, I think the reason why this physics worked in motorstorms and failed in dirt 5 is cuz that motorstorms track design is generally wider (full throttle all day) and it have a boost button.

[@shawklan27]

Plus I don't know the vehicle variety is genuinely a plus as well

[@cjskater2006]

Dirt 5 has a similar problem I think most arcade or simcade racing games these days have. They feel like the people who created them don't actually like cars or racing games (or video games at all sometimes). They know what people want but they don't know why people want it. They're missing the extra effort and attention to detail from understanding what racing game fans want. You get the usual beats, but it feels like they were copied from somebody watching a video instead of somebody who actually experienced it. Instead the focus always feels like it's on the extra non-racing aspects of the game. Like "environment details", social media integration, featuring celebrities, etc. Worst of all is that they all seem to be moving away from the more competitive aspect of racing and especially the idea of consequences. The last part is probably more of an industry wide phenomenon, which is why souls games got so popular instead.

[@JZStudiosonline]

I was just looking at xbox and PS2 games with a buddy, and holy crap, like every other game was an arcade racer, most of them good. I don't know why the genre died and I don't know why it seems impossible for anybody to make a modern arcade racer that doesn't feel like a half baked "sim" with incorrect values for grip and such. The Crew 2 for the most part uses all the same physics math and code as simulators, but then obfuscates it with unrealistic values and a lot of "handling systems." The end result just feels terrible and I don't know why people seem to like it.

[@mbgmadbull1141]

Dirt showdown, but it's a main series entry

[@JonesBrothersProductionsiac]

We all know the reason why the damage models are worse in Dirt 5. Goddamn Car Manufacturers.

[@kebabwarrior2457]

DiRT 5 was more like imitation of Gravel or Sega Rally, the only thing that DiRT 5 shares with DiRT 2 is DiRT name.

[@duck74UK]

So fun fact. 1 Week after launch, Dirt 4 had more active players than Dirt 5. This stayed like that until Dirt 5 was added to gamepass.

[@tristanheron4144]

Dirt 2 and Race Driver: Grid are exceptional games that no one including Codemasters themselves seem to be able to reproduce. If there was a way to make remasters of these games I would buy them on every new console generation.

[@TheCanadianGTR]

This is the greatest DIRT 5 honest review video of all time

[@datcat3390]

Here is my view on it: Codemasters Cheshire was seriously trying to distinguish DiRT 5 from the DiRT Rally series after DiRT 4 being known as just an easier version of DiRT Rally. But the strategy they used was not that great, because they used the basis of a niche vehicular combat game instead of basing it off DiRT Rally, adding the features that DiRT 5 has (Gymkahna, Playgrounds etc.) and making the handling & physics more accessible with DiRT Rally’s graphics in place. But I did enjoy DiRT 5 a lot, it also had an amazing soundtrack, the game just could’ve been so much better. Your opinion does align a lot with mine.

[@yol_n]

I don't mind the mainline Dirt being an "easier version" of Dirt Rally at all. I don't find Dirt Rally fun because of the difficulty but find Dirt really fun because of the difficulty. Why can't they leave at that?

[@mcraig]

Your opinion definitely aligns with mine... I tried it on Game Pass shortly after it landed and genuinely hoped it'd be some good fun arcade offroad racing, but man... I think you hit the nail on the head with the camera/sense of speed and general floatiness - compared to almost every other racing game I've played in the last 10-20 years I don't think I've ever come away from a game *bored* before this one. I distinctly remember finishing a race and being 'wait, was that it?'. Uninstalled it after that... Power to the people that enjoyed the game obviously but even nowadays with less arcade racers of that ilk around DiRT 5 felt uninspired and a bit drab to me...

[@nebulalights4614]

It's ludicrous that DIRT 5 got a lot of praise and pCars 3 got a lot of hate. What a complete joke it is that DIRT 5 was a top contender for Racing Game of the Year 2020 by many 'critics'.

[@logdrive3929]

DIRT 5 really disappointed me because it didn't have true stage rallying with pace notes. Man I just want a good arcade rally game.

[@NikoKyunKyun]

man, i didn't know someone knowed gravel

[@TheJakeMG]

If you want a more in-depth comparison between DIRT 5 and Gravel, I recommend checking out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipCaZX5oadKrgq8

[@b.1570]

I get the appeal with Dirt 5. trying to bring new comers to the franchise and trying to stand out as much as possible. but gosh they tried terribly hard. enjoyable for a few time and few days later is dusting on your Steam game list. comparing Dirt 5 with the previous Dirt games is crystal clear how the quality decreased in Dirt 5 compared to Dirt 3 (my favorite game) and I hate doing comparisons like these. I never heard about Dirt and Grid until 2016 when both games was on giveaway on Steam and made me into a motorsport freak fan to this day. I wonder myself why Codemasters believes the approach of Dirt 3 cannot work to new comers compared to what they did with Dirt 5. Believe or not I used to play Pro Race Driver as a kid (Toca Race Driver in the UK, Grid's successor) and I never knew both of these games introduced me into motorsport were made by this same developer, Codemasters. Codemasters were the far cry when it comes to racing games. launching quality after quality hit like anything alike. you can't see a twisted whole chassi in Gran Turismo or Forza like in Grid 1. for me it's the best of both worlds. excellent arcade handling grounded in a racing enviroment not being a simulator. and now with EA in the play, the milking on Formula 1 has started, the lost legacy of the Colin Mcrae games and full live services sacrifincing the singleplayer experience with their shitty services. I guess we're starting to witness an another downfall.

[@RiC3R69]

I love the PS2/PS3 era of gaming

[@paulstuartyt]

I watched this just before I was going to download 5 for free and just after I happened to get Dirt 2 for PS3 again. I know what I’m playing now

[@MCPunk55]

GRID Legends was the first time I had fun with a GRID game since Race Driver GRID, which I still have installed on my computer.

[@hueitor1748]

i actually loved D5, got all stars on the main campaign

[@gamemusictv]

Staying up until 3AM was worth it LMAO. I played DiRT 5 for 30 minutes in a friend's PC and it didn't click with me like DiRT 2 did (almost instantly). It's a shame.

[@apexraven8661]

Your thoughts on DIRT 5 really echo mine. I do think the game looks gorgeous in its own rights and I kinda like the car list too. But it's really just a "meh" game other than that for me. Would much rather play DIRT 4 and that really says something.

[@BadCatGamer]

I Personally enjoyed DIRT 5 quite a bit, But it wasn't prefect. It couldve used some improvements in most areas I think.

[@jacpia96]

Very like how you see this game. I got same feelings in my review on release day. Love yor videos Jake, keep it up

[@JB2FROSTY]

It's a fun game with the steering wheel or the PS5 controller for me. It's the fact I'm one trophy away from the platinum and the goal is to drive 1000 miles for me.

[@lagartopunkarra]

I had fun with Dirt 5 for a while, but when EA bought Codemasters, somehow the AI started to have insane rubberband to the point that I ragequitted the game and never touched it again.

[@Rohit.Gaikwad]

There weren't any updates to dirt 5 since September 2021. And codemaster was bought by EA later

[@spongebobfan78]

I would say I liked Dirt 5 but that's because I got it for PS4 for free, and it's my 2nd Dirt game overall. The only ones I had were Dirt 3 Complete Edition and Dirt Rally (which I know is an entirely different thing than), and I also got those two for free on Steam.

[@cristianhernandez-leon8871]

My first DiRT was the 4th game back in early 2018.

[@thezeon5]

As a huge DiRT fan like me, am I the only who prefers this game than DiRT 4? (the first three are still better don’t get me wrong) Obviously, the game is not perfect. The collision physics is awful (and sometimes funny too), the colors look a bit too oversaturated, but I really enjoyed playing this game, even though I love the older DiRT games more. I hope the next DiRT game (if that’s ever going to happen) will be a big improvement. Just like GRID Legends was a really big improvement from GRID 2019.

[@yugenboy]

Sometimes I forget what DiRT 4 is about, to me it was more of a toned-down DiRT Rally (which is what the CM games was before DiRT ironically). At least with DiRT 5, you can tell it stands out from DiRT Rally. I would actually like to play more of DiRT 5 if the cars weren't so floaty and didn't hurt my eyes after 5 minutes.

[@mfmusic7814]

Wow after you mentioned Onrush, I feel there’s a big similarity to how that game and Dirt 5 plays

[@mrsoisauce9017]

I first started playing the series with the 5th game on Game Pass. I thought that was a pretty solid game (although it can get a bit boring after a while), and I still do. But I tried DiRT 4 when that released on Game Pass as well. It was absolutely VICIOUS, and difficult up the ass. I knew that DiRT 5 was more arcadey than its predecessors, and I expected more of a racing sim, but I didn’t expect it to be that bad. That being said, even if I could barely complete the game, it was still an absolute blast. Of the very limited experience I have playing racing games (I’ve only played NFS Heat, FM6, FM7, FH3, FH4, FH5, DiRT 5, and DiRT4, with the hopes of playing all of the Codemasters games available on Game Pass), DiRT 4 is definitely the best I’ve ever played. It made DiRT 5 look like a shit show in comparison, that’s for sure

[@JZStudiosonline]

Dirt 4 is objectively bad though. Has less content than any game before it and weird physics and handling, along with all the limitations brought on by using the old EGO engine. Sure, they "update" it, but mostly in terms of graphics. The stages aren't that long, and aren't that detailed, but the team constantly cites engine limitations in regards to features and the inability to do things like have multiple cars on the course. Dirt Rally got popular, so Dirt 4 claimed to have the "sim" (Even though Dirt Rally is NOT a sim) and the arcade, and ended up doing neither well while having low content, an outdated engine with outdated visuals, oh god, I just remembered the randomly generated stage thing which I knew was going to be a flop pre-launch. God that game was bad.

[@BmikroB]

Speaking of visuals I would add that the game has such a poor draw distance it stinks, it really is noticeable during the race, and the pop-in issue is quite distracting, even with the settings cranked up to the max. Not to mention how TAA smears and blurs the image into the wacky mess even on higher res, so these 2 issues I mentioned are what turn me off from playing this otherwise pretty looking game altogether. While the effects are juicy, dynamic clouds in the sky at times look heavenly well, and it even got a ray tracing update sometime ago - it still isn't as much of a looker as it marketed, despite all of it strenghts. With all that said, I still prefer the look of DiRT2. The game was ahead of its time IMMENSELY, and it's still a one helluva stunning racer!

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

I will repeat what I always say about "modern" arcade racing games physics. They suck and the biggest problem is suspension model. If you look at Xbox360/PS3 era racing games, you will see a lot of suspension movement and compliance. Audi Quattro from Dirt2 you've shown, has significant body roll&pitch as a result of player inputs. While going over bumps car keeps all wheels on the ground and smoothly absorbs vertical shock. In Grid reboots and Dirt5 cars looks like cars have their suspension fully extended as a "default state" and dampers immediately stop wheel travel after bumps. Due to this issue, cars look unnatural, are unpredictable and unresponsive, as wheels constantly lose contact with surface on rough terrain and curbs.

[@Lazy_ness]

onrush was sooo fucking fun imo

[@berkan5578]

God I hated the Camera in this Game.

[@thealifrs4_463]

lacking proper rally mode is my concern that rally would be exclusive to Dirt Rally

[@aleyyyy420]

I honestly liked it but I was expecting playgrounds to be more like EventLab and I feel like it really fell off long term for me because basically everything that was new was DLC and there wasn’t too much f2p additions

[@jspreutels2498]

.......I just want to play Dirt 1 and 2 again. I liked Dirt 3, don't get me wrong, but it didn't feel as lively compared to 1 and 2

[@Parker--]

As someone who was very hyped about onrush, I honestly didn't think the game was that good. The controls felt bad, too stiff if I recall, gameplay didn't feel fully fleshed out, and artistically the game lacked authenticity and style. Honestly, it looked like a high end mobile game just in terms of style and liveries and unlockable skins. Everything just felt very generic. Even compared to Dirt 5 the game felt devoid of personality.

[@dank-chicken9788]

I have played all the 360 era Dirt games and they all feel like there was a lot of effort put in to each one them from the lighting setting and tone to even how they play from physics and handing and this goes for all the game on 360 even Dirt Showdown. But i haven enjoyed any of the Xbox One/SX Dirt games apart from Dirt4. i feel that the Dirt Rally games (i havent played Dirt Rally 2) are to realistic for a franchise that i feel is meant to be in the middle ground of both arcade and realism. Dirt 5 is a OK game is not bad but its not DIRT as you should know it

[@maxbowen9452]

I would say the game does look nice mud effects ground texture and lighting sometimes

[@rack0001]

well ea basically destroyed project cars and dirt franchise in a nutshell

[@D3R866]

Dirt 5 was disappointing i remember wanting it because finally another dirt game but then tried it and it felt slow the gameplay was easy that i got bored and felt like playing dirt 2 again and I did.

[@goncalotr]

Dirt 3 is still so good today I don't see the purpose of making a similar thing, just worse

[@Theottselmaster]

Dirt 5: Gravel with pointless voiceovers.

[@IPlayKindred]

i think it has nothing to do with the game engine at all, using another games game engine is like using a different oven, if the cake come out mid, its bc yeah made a mid game, not bc the game engine is lackluster.

[@aliaborez3987]

Only good thing about it is it's 4 player split screen. Other than that, it's just meh.

[@MadLadMartyMcFly85]

DIRT 3 is where its at Dirt 5 is fun and all mostly the playgrounf part and the relaxed car "handling" just simple fun

[@maxbowen9452]

i wanted to like dirt 5 but i just cant

[@zwenkwiel816]

We just need a good dirt rally 3.0

[@SockyNoob]

DiRT 5: Looks and feels like a budget game like Gravel, but way worse. And the art style is way too saturated and bright.