Installing wire lath & plaster for cultured stone veneer fieldstone

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Installing wire lath & plaster for cultured stone veneer fieldstone
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[@nunyabiznes4471]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I’m a somewhat old woman, 63, and am going to do a natural 1” stone veneer in my basement on one wall in the area where I do metal smithing. I needed to see the right way to attach the lath with a nail gun to not get bubbles. I went to my local stone yard and did the prep the way they said to, with recommended materials. Wasn’t sure about the broom raking. I get it now. This was helpful! Thank you 😊

[@MrKamccarthyinc]

NIce Mike. The brick set chistel on the inside corner was awesome.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

💯 Thanks

[@KevinGribbon-pv5wh]

My two cents...an additional layer of a WRB, like felt or housewrap, should be used over the Zip sheathing. The stone manufacturers require 2 layers of a WRB under the lath when used on the exterior. The first layer does the primary function of protecting against moisture (in this case, the Zip system), the second layer is a sacrificial layer/slip sheet to keep the scratch coat from bonding to the main WRB. You definitely don't want the scratch coat to bond directly to the Zip sheathing...it'll act as a bridge for moisture.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Funny how codes change over the years

[@Gary67242]

looking forward to next video !..thumbs up

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks buddy

[@Ireland-bc2gx]

Get a hawk and practice with it and a bucket scoop will cut that scratch coat time in half ,broom old school plasterers trick 👍

[@ThaiRoney]

You do need 1 layer of barrier over zip sheathing for veneer stone or stucco. For veneering and stucco, you need 2 layers of wrb. The zip sheathing counts as 1.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

No such thing as a double vapor barrier

[@Loui3ism]

@@DIRT-BOSS read literally any manufactured stone/stucco manufacturers installation instructions and you’ll see they call for 2 layers of WRB. First layer is your drainage plain, and the second is a sacrificial layer that keeps the mortar from contacting the first layer. You should definitely have rain screen between your WRB and lath as well. Hope you installed weep screed at the foundation and properly flashed your window, and allowed for 3/8 expansion gap with backer rod and sealant around windows and doors!

[@bgt63]

correct. 2 layers of wrb.. zip or tyvek is one... you need an extra layer of tar paper. it is not a vapour barrier, it is a water resistant barrier. the stone or Cementous stucco wicks water, the extra barrier is to prevent persistent moisture on the main barrier. check best practices from the manufacturers...you are correct

[@LF12468]

​@@Loui3ism these clowns don't know how to read evidently. Just start a repair buisness when all their work fails, you'll have job security fixing it.

[@dv640]

From what I understand its now (as of 2022) code in all areas except your super dry areas like nevada/Arizona/newmexico to have 2 layers of wrb.

[@JoseAguilar-dv2nd]

You are 100% correct .on the wire...most people put it upside down.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@davebeck3135]

The Boss knows how to get it done, Anything!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks Dave !

[@robertarcher1663]

Thanks man for the video! You're having to much fun.👍

[@dcarpenter7653]

Grinder is the way to go......I like the corner with the chisel.....I will try tomorrow, been using a lathing hatchet for years

[@DIRT-BOSS]

💯 Thanks

[@64maxpower]

I would have installed the lath exactly wrong. I bet a cordless 4 1/2 grinder would be life changing. I like how you cut for windows

[@keckBaker]

Should always have two layers of barrier. Zip system counts as one. Also, new rain screen systems are the future of these veneers. Also one other thing is might want to use a true galvanized nail for the lath. Installed in dry climates not that a big deal though.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Rule of thumb double moisture barrier causes moisture

[@davidchillton1744]

WRB isn’t a moisture barrier, the poly plastic or Kraft face paper on your insulation is your moisture barrier. Most stone/ stucco is required to have 2 layers of WRB per installation instructions and usually required by most building codes

[@petemiller519]

Thanks Boss! You're the Man. Cheers from Canada.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks man

[@darrenp5495]

well done Boss young guy is learning lots

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Yes he is

[@Michael-it6kj]

I remember first time I ever tried doing stone. I didn't know about parge coat. I just slapped stone on wire mesh. Lucky I was only doing small area around gas fireplace. Live and learn

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Yeah I hear you there

[@gthiii]

You also have to put the wire going in the right direction!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

@@gthiii absolutely... Really no matter which way you put it though and get a good plaster on it It will be successful

[@sassafrasvalley1939]

It hadn’t occurred to me… but this kind of thing is actually in your job description. Ain’t it? Having a full range of skills gives you lots of options… during the 40 days and 40 nights…. Me? I’d be building an ark!

[@sonnyblazer5504]

The name on the equipment serves as his JOB DESCRIPTION! It's in his blood! Take care!!!

[@sassafrasvalley1939]

@@sonnyblazer5504 Truth!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

It's crazy today is day 17 of rain It is every day and night I'm starting to get worried !!!

[@tomroe2861]

Nice to see you doing something different. Great job

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@alexosborne5629]

Finally you get a days graft in !!! Nice to have jobs you can go back to when you need to. Wire bending and shaping hints do work well, I have used them myself on different jobs 👍

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Tell me about it Thanks

[@stevecundiff8819]

I used to use roofing nails now I use a finish stapler with 1 1/2 inch staples it holds the wire better to the wall because you’re relying on the nail head to hook the wire

[@DIRT-BOSS]

10/4

[@frank4532]

Looks great Cant wait to see it finished Thanks for sharing Dirt Boss

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks Frank

[@donaldtrabeaux5235]

Awesome work Mike, always a good time when I see your new videos pop up. Thanks for sharing take care stay safe god bless.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks Don you too

[@bryanlloyd1099]

Nice job and Looking forward to the next video!!👍

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@bryanlloyd1099]

@@DIRT-BOSS you are welcome!!

[@peterszabo8073]

Is the roofing nail head smaller than the wire mash whole how is s gonna hold down heavy sheer loads of stone?

[@LF12468]

This is the way i imagine a concrete guy trying to do my trade. Keep hacking it up buddy, it gives us more repair work for the future!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

LOL I'll take a Pepsi challenge with you anyday my buddy your accountability went out the window when you thought this was real Masonry!

[@LF12468]

@@DIRT-BOSS I can see your ego has run away with you. The one thing about life is we all eventually get humbled sooner or later. Your turns coming

[@DIRT-BOSS]

@@LF12468 ,👌

[@Muff213]

Zip system or not, you still need a second layer wrb. You still need a weep screed installed at the bottom with your wrb over lap (rain screen would be best). Your cups should be facing up not down. It's also not self furred wire lath (which bumps it off the the wall for the proper scratch thickness. I could go on, but when you said "this is the fastest way to do it" I knew you knew just enough to think you know. This is all wrong my friend.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@yeowzaa007]

Glad someone said it

[@dirttymason]

upside-down lath...Naild and not crown staples...no felt paper, no weep screed and through wall flashing either. They will be fixing this in 10 years.

[@memyselfandifarmer]

Love stone work, did some years ago, stay safe DB.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Good to do it just to keep your skills alive !

[@samuelthedude]

We're doing a project in new england where drainage planes are always a wicked smart idea. the project is doing EIFS on the second story, and we are thinking of just running it all the way down and doing the first floor masonry over the EIFS, that way we have one consistant drainage plane. What do you think?

[@Chrissers2010]

Always thinking ahead for content for new videos. I like that! In 5 years you san make another video on how to repair rot behind stone and install new stone.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

🤣

[@alb5753]

I just started using a roof nailer for my lath (used to just hand hammer it in before) what a game changer. I use a notch trowel for the finish on the parge, but I like your broom, I’ll try that on my next one. As always your work looks great.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks man appreciate it yeah broom is where at quick

[@brandonlevy6980]

Scarifier

[@willpowell6487]

Very cool instructions

[@henryg683]

Great to see you!!! Been wondering what you have been up to!!?? Looking great as usual see you when you start putting the stone up!!!!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Yes Henry it's been tough 16 days straight of rain

[@C10sRule]

@@DIRT-BOSS - Send some up to us here in Southern Alberta!!! Haha. Actually California/Nevada/Arizona need it more!! If only it was that easy!! Heh heh. You stay safe fellas!

[@josephdriscoll8527]

I like the informative content ,you make it look easy thanks

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@mrs.dirtboss]

Your pretty quick with that trowel big guy ☺️ Great Job!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Oh yeah you know it ! 🥰

[@markg.2501]

Who Would Know better Than You😉 ( Hi, Mrs. D. Boss🙋‍♂️)

[@mrs.dirtboss]

@@markg.2501 Hi Mark! 😊

[@justinbarber881]

I like your technique is not a dag gum mess like I’ve seen elsewise

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@kennyp507]

"corners on the corners" me: gotcha - goes and splits firewood thinking of corners on the corners. Nice work.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

💯

[@patrickw8453]

I know this is a typical installation but how do you get water drainage ? Seems the mortar passes the mesh onto the zip barrier blocking any drainage.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

If it does get water it should weep out the bottom this is typical install as you mentioned

[@bkoz319]

@@DIRT-BOSS i have seen it weep through the nail holes directly into the house. i know it sounds crazy but it does. need rainscreen or all this time, effort and money is a wasted. great vids. look into using rain screen

[@wag-ner]

Great instructions brother …

[@alexsandrolk7]

What is the name of that cement you use to install these stones? Is there a stronger one if the stone is heavier? I'm going to make a fireplace and it has some big, heavy pieces and I don't know how to glue these stones together so they don't come loose. Recommend me a good cement for this, please. TY

[@richardsedorski1206]

A man of many talents.👍👍👍😎😎😎

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thank you buddy

[@timothypirnat3754]

If you drive nails into the ZIP System, do you worry about the vapor/moisture protection being degraded? Does it seal around the nails? Can you do the same thing with Tyvec housewrap?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Manufacture specs

[@bigdaddyyc]

The zip sheathing isn't a Vapour barrier, neither is Tyvek. They are both air and water barriers. Vapour passes through very easily, designed to be that way. Having two of them layered on top is redundant but doesn't cause issues.

[@dangerdan03]

I personally would have used Dorken Delta Dry & Lathe. The cost is more, but better peace of mind. Although ZIP is more keeps moisture out better than Tyvek, you'll have a lot of penetrations for water to seep into the sheathing. The Delta Dry & Lathe allows an air-barrier between the veneer and your sheathing allowing moisture to drain and dry out more efficiently .

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Good info but I didn't build the house

[@scottb3188]

Do you have any tips for plastering the scratch coat on an inverted piece, like the underside of a garage door opening? Just slap it up there on the lath and hope it holds, and doesn't end up on your head?? After it dries, I'll be installing a cultured block/brick, under the garage door jamb, so tips on doing that would be helpful, too. Will try the wood screw trick you guys used for drip stones, and I'm going to use a very sticky thinset mortar (Ardex x77). If the blocks fail to hold, then I'll resort to installing wooden lath strips underneath the stones. Great video's. Thanks!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Yeah not sure about that just go nice and slow Good luck 😎

[@scottb3188]

@@DIRT-BOSS Well, hmmm, I guess I'll wear my "mortar on top of the head" old hat. Thanks for getting back to me.

[@edpoletto8048]

Dirt Boss,thanks this was very useful!

[@TheRogueRockhound]

Whats up w/ the haze in the background Boss? Aint no way you guys have fires w/ all that rain. We are literally on fire over here still so whenever you want to share some of that rain, just send it to us here in Oregon. Great upload

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Wow I'm so glad you noticed that yeah they're saying Canada has major fires and that's what's causing the haze our moon is red and so is the sun it's insane never seen it before

[@wildwest5436]

Hello, I've done this before but was on a solid concrete wall. Is it ok to use standard felt #15 tar paper only for my vapor barrier then lath? Last question, what size nails on the nail gun. Fantastic idea!! Thanks much

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Yes tar paper works great also for the nails are standard size roofing nails

[@wildwest5436]

@@DIRT-BOSS Hey thanks much for the tips! You do nice, efficient work!! Thanks again

[@AllstarVentures]

DB, I’ve watched these couple of videos several times. You make it look easy. I’m trying to decide if I want to tackle a similar project like this myself or find a competent mason. Is it just regular mortar you are using for the scratch coat and type S to set the stone or what’s the best to use ?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

@@AllstarVentures Yes we use the same mortar in our area

[@AllstarVentures]

@ Thanks for the response Mike 👍🏻

[@HighwayTraveler]

Building code requires a second layer of grade D building paper or a second layer of non-water-absorbing layer or drainage screed installed before installing manufactured stone. The second layer creates a bond break against the Zip System, keeping the mortar away from the primary WRB.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Okie dokie pokie thanks for the tip

[@KevinGribbon-pv5wh]

haha...didn't see your comment. I just said the same thing.

[@pdg3870]

Bad idea to have that scratch coat of mortar hard up against the Zip sheathing! You need a drainage mat/air gap between the lath and the Zip. IRC is now starting to require this drainage plane for stucco and adhered stone veneer.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

If I could ask a small favor can you start a KZbin channel so I could learn how to do correctly? Cuz the manufactured gave me these exact specs cuz I know zip board is new tech.. I'm old school black tar paper is the best

[@georgespangler1517]

I used to do wire with scratch coat, now l do cement board and brush on bonding adhesive just before installing stone and just butter the stone, takes away the weak link, all failures I've seen was in the wire I've never had an issue will cement board and bonding adhesive

[@CMCraftsman]

As long as you’re not using hardi backer

[@georgespangler1517]

@@CMCraftsman it's made for exterior use also just not direct exposure,

[@AcesDman7]

Great Job Boss. God Bless 😃👍🙏

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks !

[@Bridar9]

What is the white trim that you are using to terminate the mortar below the aluminum soffit?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

It was just regular F channel

[@jakejohnson7714]

nice move much faster than a hawk

[@jonfranklin5532]

You mention double vapor barrier being bad, with tyvek over that green board; I'm doing a chimney chase that has tyvek house wrap with tar paper over that. Will that create the double vapor barrier?

[@jonfranklin5532]

found this online, "The building code requires two layers, or equivalent, over wood-based sheathings when the cladding is a cementitious product;" I think I'm fine since both are on the exterior and the felt paper will act as a bond breaker layer. The Interior will be batts.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I would check with your local codes

[@stuccoproinspections7763]

@@DIRT-BOSS It's in the IRC and ASTM that 2 layers of WRB is required. As well as recommended by every association and manufacturer.

[@zippitydoowopjoe]

@@stuccoproinspections7763 what are the repercussions of not doing that and applying a cementitious product directly over ZIP?

[@jeradclark]

Hey Boss - Always meant to ask, what's the bracelet for on your left arm? I can read a bit @ 1:19, but can't read the whole thing. Thanks for the videos, always like to learn a thing or two!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Hey thanks for asking out of all the years nobody has asked me ! It's a special bracelet for my daughter I will get into that conversation on a live feed one evening. Thanks !

[@oscarocampo4575]

Great content. Why didn't u use thinset ?.. I'm currently doing ledger outside wall and was advised to use thinset.. any suggestion, thanks

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thinset is for tile.. never used it for stone

[@oscarocampo4575]

www.homedepot.com/p/MSI-Alaska-Gray-Ledger-Panel-6-in-x-24-in-Natural-Marble-Wall-Tile-6-sq-ft-case-LPNLMALAGRY624/207041865 This is the item I'm using, they suggested thinset white based. Not sure these qualify as stone or something else. Thanks

[@DIRT-BOSS]

@@oscarocampo4575 yes thats more of a tile based product

[@oscarocampo4575]

@@DIRT-BOSS thanks for your insight

[@bugges46]

You got a lot of skills dude, enjoy your vids. Have a great day.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks Man

[@ProudPapaw88]

Hey man you’re a jack of all trades. Great video, thanks for sharing.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks Chevy boy

[@lindagatchell8079]

Hi there, what type of broom did you use on your scratch coat?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Regular garage broom

[@Itdontmatter69]

You probably mentioned it somewhere here but, what is the scratch coat ? Portland cement ? Or something less expensive ?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Type S or N premix mortar

[@ivang97997]

you know everything

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I try !

[@jkgkjgkijk]

Any kid who works for this guy is a lucky sob. In a few years he could have his own crew.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Hey I appreciate that!

[@dudleydorite7678]

Good video. Question I started digging out for a monolithic concrete pad there are a couple of stumps that been grounded down below the depth of were my stone sub base is going to be. Would it be ok to just put the stone down and concrete or should I get a backhoe and remove them? They are pine tree stumps, about 20"s down

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I would remove all stumps they will rot and cause issues

[@raff9938]

What size nails do you use. Any what type of nails?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Standard roofing nails

[@mrandrewdennis1]

Great video

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks Andrew

[@dandurkin5186]

You saved me a ton of work with your tips. Nice

[@DIRT-BOSS]

You're welcome man Good luck

[@Suplement240]

Tienes que usar la llana ancha para poner cemento

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Ok Frankie

[@billyshumate853]

See you on your next vidja.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Yes sir

[@CGMACHINE]

Amazing 👍👍👍👍👍

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@TerryDengler]

what mortar do you use for the scratch coat?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Type S

[@xitianllc]

What do you use to fasten lathe if there is rigid foam over the sheathing?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I use a roofing nail gun with coated nails

[@gianfrancocattina1014]

Can i do stucco. With the mesh??

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I imagine you could

[@qiudandong]

I did feel only zip system without another barrier is risk

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I agree I had that conversation with the builder and they checked with the manufacturer and said no.. so my hands were tied I wanted to use tar paper

[@TyphoonVstrom]

When it comes to plasta, he's the masta!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

😂

[@pegasus8295]

No

[@MikeyM1422]

Question to anyone on here.. Do I need wire mesh on my outside foundation wall to lay stone or can I install stone without the mesh?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I've done them directly on the concrete wall Just make sure there's no sealer on it Hit it with a pressure washer to open it up first maybe a little chemical

[@timothymoore2090]

Should have installed tyvek or 30 pound paper over the zip. Zip is only one barrier. Needs to have a second before the lath goes on.

[@nickdangelo2591]

what do you recommend for a scratch coat product ?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Type s or n mortar

[@juniafrank8724]

It's the DIRT BOSS 😎 YEAH Buddy Back on site Getting it Done 👍 DIRT BOSS 😎 putting the wire mesh in Nicely getting the right consistency 👌 for the plaster Buddy 😎 setting it up Correct ✅ for the cultured stone there's no doubt this project will look PRET TY when it's done 👍 GREAT JOB DIRT BOSS 😎 and Thank U 🙏 for the Great video 👍

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks budd

[@bkoz319]

what type of mortar do you use?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Type S

[@vinnypinatelli221]

Such a cool video man thank you I love this kind of work cant wait for the next one now man!!!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@dylantrinder1571]

Badda boom badda bing! 🤣🤣

[@DIRT-BOSS]

😎💯😎

[@LF12468]

How NOT to install wire lath

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Okay Frankie

[@bkoz319]

really need rain screen applied. over time water will soak into the stone and through the nail holes in to the house. without the rain screen water will be trapped

[@tedohio3038]

Wow

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Hey Ted

[@Carrs-Firm-Foundations]

very nice

[@BGP369]

3:00 holy crap that is.... awesome!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks!

[@richardbohlingsr3490]

You make that look easy. I end up with more on me and the ground, than on the wall. 8-)

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Lol thanks

[@jainjugal98]

Can this be done on OSB board?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Check your local codes

[@jainjugal98]

@@DIRT-BOSS i am asking technically if its possible. Will the joints crack due to wind deflection?

[@DirtBrute]

👍👍 nice

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks

[@alvin20052009]

What size nails?

[@mikenixon9164]

Looks like you have done that before. Good video.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

A time or two

[@josephbohme7917]

BING THEN BOOM

[@DIRT-BOSS]

🤣🤣🤣

[@joeyschannel3760]

I thought you didn’t do masonry anymore lol

[@DIRT-BOSS]

I got suckered into this one !!! 😂

[@joeyschannel3760]

@@DIRT-BOSS they paid the I don’t wanna do it price 😂

[@larrykeenan598]

He still has to eat and pay his bills.

[@mickylindle]

Odd music choice, but sure... great job

[@brianharis2211]

If I get in better health I could teach you how to lather the right way and teach you how to use a hawk and towel

[@sonnyblazer5504]

Yeah, you go head, make it look so easy spreading the mud - BUT "YOU" have many years of the "FEEL"!!! For you, it flows in your blood. You know EXACTLY where & how to throw/spread the mix. I know you could even do it with your eyes closed (cause we got my grandfather to do it laying brick!) How long can it sit before you need to add the stone (is there a window/time?) Thanks "BOSS"! Sonny

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Yes just wait till it turns light gray till it's dry usually the next day !

[@kiefercourchene6109]

Oof 😂😂😂😂 the way you trawl lol

[@DIRT-BOSS]

@@kiefercourchene6109 I'll take the Pepsi challenge

[@kiefercourchene6109]

@DIRT-BOSS fair enough I shouldn't judge I don't do stone ..I'm a conventional stucco plaster

[@fortmyersfruitforest5214]

Boss video sir

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks buddy

[@zekesmith538]

If I could give you 10 thumbs up on this video I would!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Thanks !

[@sonnyblazer5504]

Hey, good idea and I would join you. Best I could do though is give DIRT BOSS one and YOU one! Take care.

[@bobbymcbulge18]

Looks like you’ve done that once or twice!

[@DIRT-BOSS]

Possibly 😁