Stone Veneer Installation - Part 1. Scratch Coat (Metal Lath And Underlayment)

[@davidharrison3074]

The memories of doing cement stucco is so similar. We mixed everything in a big chop box tub because of the volume of cement we did or even a cement mixer. That's all one person did to keep 3-4 guys going. The pully system we used was great for taking 5 gallon buckets of cement up the scaffolding even up 6-8 towers high. Having a 4×4 piece of exterior plywood to load up and go at it. I absolutely love how you take this to a level that those who may never have done either stone work or stucco, will give them the opportunity to try a small project. Expansion joints we had to do on areas that were really large for the purpose of the finish coat on stucco was so important to not get a over lap joint that would actually look bad unless you had at least 4-5 guys running the wall area at the same time from the bottom to the top of the job. Having options is always great to make any job look great. Thank you again Josh for the first part of this project.

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

I have never done stucco before but I would imagine it is very similar to this. I love the look of stucco. Sounds like you guys were very serious! It amazes me to see these huge buildings full of stucco around the beaches. I could only imagine the amount of labor it took to do those huge jobs. Sounds like that is what you guys were into. It is cool how you can paint stucco. The next video is going to be of applying the veneer. Thanks for stopping by David!

[@davidharrison3074]

@@TheExcellentLaborer can't wait to see the next step.

[@freddyvargas7678]

I am a contractor and I find that your awesome. Keep up your great work

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Thanks a lot! Constructions a lot of work, but I find a rewarding. Good luck with your contracting!

[@BGP369]

Did I mishear 8:00 ? Installing lath with rough side facing down gives less support to mortar after applying it, making higher chance for it to fail later on. From my understanding, the angle of the lath creates slight upward facing tiny shelves for the mortar to sit into and support.

[@larryfahn132]

That's what I thought. That's the way my father-in-law did it for 30 years

[@gabrieldwiggins4442]

You are correct, he did seem to be saying apply the lath cups down, which is wrong (although you will rarely see failures in the mortar due to this) Strangely enough the close up shot of his lath at approx. 17min in is cups up though.

[@BGP369]

@@gabrieldwiggins4442 it might be he was referring to the cup concave facing down... Which would be strange use of English or maybe just a mistake? Not something a pro would mistake though imo.

[@wnybricky1559]

Yeah.. he said it right.. you want the cups to cut into the mortar when you start at the bottom and go up. That way it fills the cups. Once it dries it doesn’t matter at all how they are oriented. But they need to be imbedded. To test this try to install lath over a span of 2x4’s without a backer. Properly installed the backside of the lath should look like you are stacking popcorn on the back of the wall. Flip the lath the other way and it won’t be as full ( lots of air pockets) unless for some weird reason you start at the top and go down with your stucco.

[@michaelfoy226]

Everyone has a different opinion for lath direction. I like cup up not down, but everyone seems to have a different idea.

[@mariamwaseemi1213]

All your videos are the best in explaining in detail

[@otonielmurillo746]

can't get better than that. thank you for these awesome videos

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

You are welcome Otoniel! I appreciate you watching and commenting. It helps the channel out a lot. I’m glad you’re finding value here. Stay tuned!

[@tman6762]

I think you might be wrong about the stretch metal. It is directional. If you look closely at the little diamond shapes they form a cup. The cup should face upwards so that as the mortar gets smashed into the screen, the weight of the mortar pulls it deeper into the screen. If it is upside down, it will have the potential to pull away from the wall/screen. Where the WRB meets the window flange, if you can/can't get the WRB under the flange of the window, you can use Tyvek tape or similar and seal it to the flange. I believe the WRB and window flange should get taped regardless. Maybe someone else can comment. When it comes to wall failures, it not the first rain or the second rain or the third rain or snow or freeze that will cause a failure. Its like smoking cigarettes. The first pack won't get you but over a lifetime, you run a higher risk of having issues. (sorry for the analogy). Once water starts to get to the OSB, the issues start to happen. Thanks for the video! Terr

[@lonzles]

This is theeeee best explanation of how tobdo this on the internet period....clear concise to the point ....very good video...thanks for the content!!

[@davidgiesfeldt6650]

Top tip 1/4 x 1/4 V notch trowel for tiling… the points break the surface without removing too much of the mortar

[@tonyrosso1529]

Great video! I learned a lot. Thank you. We need an “and now” counter.

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

I would like to see somebody count every time I said that. 😂 Cannot break old habits lol thanks for watching!

[@scottsachs2547]

Excellent Laborer?? OMG! You Are The Excellent Teacher!!!!! Wonderful Video!!!

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Thanks a lot for that compliment! When I’m making the video I try to think of instructing somebody that is going to be a new hire for the job. I appreciate your kind words. Thanks for watching!

[@jaimedpcaus1]

Super food. I like the detailed explanations and the pace. Thx for sharing. 🙂

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Thank you Jaime! I realize a lot of videos out there leave out the details. I started this channel I knew it would be helpful to add all the details. Thanks for watching!

[@jaimedpcaus1]

@@TheExcellentLaborer Hi, it's a pleasure to watch your videos. They're very informative and you make them seem so easy to follow and do. Thank you again for your efforts and sharing your work. 🙂

[@noahb.7838]

Something for sure you make it look easy.

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

It definitely takes some patience to do. It does look easy on film though lol. Thanks for watching Noah!

[@josephsilveira8440]

In monterey county code is to use a buechel weep screed under stone

[@fuegoman45]

Thanks brother. Another outstanding video. 🤙❤️

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Hey Todd! Hope your projects are going well. Thank you for your comment. It means a lot!

[@alforliniteaching5670]

Every time you say Go Ahead,then have a drink.

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

That sounds like a cool drinking game I should do on my birthday! 🍻 Cheers!

[@whteman2]

Good video. About to do my house like this. But instead of putting stones around the window. I am using plastic trim. I feel it looks better.

[@dpdp9700]

This is the best video

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

I appreciate that! I like doing stone veneer. It adds a lot of character to a house. Thanks for watching!

[@modithor1501]

What is all the ventilation in the stone base? Is that vents in the foundation of the house?

[@kristinnielsencounseling3405]

hi there. This is my go to video for our stone veneer project! Questions: is there a gauge or thickness that is best for the metal lathe? How do you customize your mortar color? I'm looking for a version of S type white

[@Nonsense62365]

Very interesting, where’s the video applying the mortar over the scratch coat and applying the stone veneer

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

The video applying the stone will be coming out next week. Thank you for watching!

[@dank-bs3kp]

I'm confused, wouldn't you want the rough side facing up so that it holds the cement?

[@rockkmonster]

The lath cups upward when the sharper part is down

[@modithor1501]

Didn't he say the rough side is outward to add the mortar later. The metal is adhered with galvanized nails, he said.

[@Carrs-Firm-Foundations]

The stone veneer looks fantastic, very convincing. What do you think I could charge per square foot to install this? I've worked with face stone which is 4 inch concrete bricks that vary in size but that veneer looks sharp.

[@robthompsonfarm3902]

Awesome video!!! Thankyou.

[@dylankadow8428]

Are there any air gaps behind all that stuff?

[@stephaneaudette6665]

This method is not pass the code in Canada

[@JohnSmith-hl4bb]

Very good and clear. So you the same mortor mix type S for the stone veneer installation.

[@amandatubbs8176]

Thanks ❤

[@Justforall7]

Great job 👏

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Thank you. I appreciate that! Good luck with your project!

[@BillDingAmerica-s5i]

METAL LATH DOES NOT GO “rough side” DOWN!!! I am a journeyman mason of 35yrs. I just had to replace 700 sq. ft. of cultured stone because someone THOUGHT they could do what a mason does. Leave masonry to the masons! Thanks.

[@nickzaremba]

Bruh you’re wrong. You push the mortor from bottom to top. Maybe you do it from top to bottom so that’s why you think he’s wrong

[@Nihilumbra]

Прекрасная работа 😉👍 смотрим все 😎

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Thanks for watching!

[@sublime80220]

Hey before the felt #30 paper what is the material called that is already on the wall in the video? That white fiber looking material.

[@MatthewRoberts-j3i]

Great video. Really appreciate it!

[@lindagatchell8079]

If we are using cement board, do we still have to install the metal lathe screen?

[@harishveeramani2907]

Great work. Can this be done with rain-screens? That way water getting behind the veneer can dry out. 🤔

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Thank you! Yes rain screens can be used. I hope that helps. Thanks for watching!

[@CharlesDaniels-h9b]

hey man nice job- we installed the metal lath vertical? will it cause problems? thx

[@SPIKESLAYER1]

That was an awesome tutorial- thank you !

[@Boeing_hitsquad]

He put the Lath on backwards. The lath cups should go downhill INTO the wall, so gravity pulls the mortar in against the wall. He did it backwards...

[@jorgemora-castillo720]

Hi Josh, first of all thank you for sharing this information. Secondly, I have a question, do I follow the same process when the exterior is brick? Please let me know. Thank you.

[@waynetrain8033]

Great video, I’m thinking on attempting . Someone else commented on the Tyvek . The underlay goes right over top of it ? Or can you double up the underlay?

[@michaelmolter8828]

Any recommendations for doing this on ICF (foam/concrete)? Probably just delete the tar paper.

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Hey Michael! I would contact the ICF manufacturer in see their recommendations. I hope that helps!

[@dirty2110]

What kind air gun do you use for attaching the mesh to concrete

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Coil nailer. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGfPf3iLhs58qpY This video will help!

[@theJoyfulChristianHermit]

Can uou put the roofing felt on wtih staples? My handyman just used staples.... I'm concerned now. /we used cao nails to put the metal lath on with.

[@Man-u-flex]

Do you really need that black paper on top of the house wrap before putting lathe on?

[@theJoyfulChristianHermit]

I just went out ata night with flashlight; the handyman put the felt o veritcally in strips. Is this a big problem? The lath is already on--and not in one direction, either. I paid a lot of money as he said he has done this many times for stone work.... Do I have to redo the whole outcropping on front of house? I'll put on the scratch coat myself. I'm old, maimed, female, but I tend to be particular and like things done well and no leaks . Am going to install AirStone over all this. Let me kow if I have to re-do this entire project thus far.

[@andygossard4293]

Does this veneer (manufactured) have protectant properties to inhibit deep scratching?

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

It does not scratch easy. I don’t think there’s any special coating on it it’s just the nature of it. Hope that helps!

[@andygossard4293]

@@TheExcellentLaborer TY, I'm trying to see if veneer is a wise option to suggest instead of straight vinyl, sales-wise

[@moesawad]

Do you need the metal lath and underpayment if it’s going on a poured concrete wall?

[@UnkieZach]

Can you use 2 layers of tyvek home wrap or what does the second layer require

[@joelcabrera9138]

Mortar or portlend cement??????🤔

[@michelleniedfeldt68]

Can you apply over T1-11 plywood?

[@rileysamora4759]

I'm trying to put stone veneer over exterior brick. Would I need a water resistant barrier and metal lathe? Or could I just get away with using only cement board?

[@nelsonflores67]

underlayment can be install on top of existing brick? thank you in advance.

[@JohnSmith-hr2pb]

Why didn't you just get S-type mortar? Was is cheaper to do the cement/sand combo?

[@funnymoney8]

Thanks for the great video! Just curious why the underpayment wasn’t pulled tight when applied?

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Yes it should be pulled as tight as possible. Sometimes it does get a little wrinkled but it flattens out after you put the metal lath on. Thanks for watching Roni!

[@bajamesvlog8756]

Hi can i ask u where to buy felt paper

[@gantz4u]

No weep screed? You seem to know code. So it must not be code. I just think it would be alot cooler if you had a weep screed.

[@showtime95667]

Hey! I’m planning on laying some tile that looks like stone on our front entry that is covered under a roof. Pretty thin, just like Floor tile, do you need the wire? The product instructions say use thin set. Currently we have the synthetic felt over the OSB and plan is around the front door, side wall etc. Thanks! Want to do it myself.

[@ajw5743]

It is likely you will need the metal lathe. Interior vertically applied tile is typically applied after a Hardie backer covered wall has been prepared with redguard. This creates a solid surface on which to install tile, and you can apply your thinset directly onto the redguard prepped wall. However, in your case, you have sheathing and then house wrap if everything was done properly. The house wrap is not a solid surface and the thinset will not adhere well to it due to its waxy texture. The felt paper does two things: gives your mortar something textured to stick to and creates a barrier between the house wrap and the mortar. This allows the house wrap to continue doing its job shedding any intrusive water. However, the felt alone has not enough structure to create a solid surface for your mortar. You will need to install the metal lath so that you apply the mortar over a solid surface.

[@showtime95667]

Thank you!!!

[@alonzomartii]

Where I live is 3 inches vertical, and 6 inches horizontal overlapping or you don't pass inspection. Inspectors are more strict.

[@gj_kossuth]

For interior stone veneer, can you install metal lath directly over painted drywall? Or should you remove the wall and install a cement board?

[@justinkaufman4705]

Just put tar paper on the drywall, metal lath, scratch coat, stone in that order then grout if your using it

[@newgeneration3496]

Great video, only part I think u went wrong is that u installed it/mixed it & weren’t covered in it like I always am 🤣

[@prisillaspace]

Thank you! Your instructions are very thorough & thanks for the tips! I just might want to add stone veneer to everything now! 😂 What are your thoughts on Quikrete?? 💙🌎🌀🙏🌌🦋

[@paksarsabzpakistantoursfis3912]

Excellent 👍 very nice brother 🤝🤲

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Thank you! I’m glad you are enjoying my content. The next video will be of installing the stone. Stay tuned!

[@fparker9949]

why not let the felt paper run wild at each end?----thus containing any splashed morter

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

I have not done that. I like to seal around the edges with mortar so if I were to let the paper lay loose I cannot do that. That would be a good tactic for somebody that is wild with the mortar. Thanks for watching!

[@glenwarren4351]

If your right handed roll the paper right to left

[@tooge47]

why S and not N ?

[@neilkeown1767]

So you’re telling me you’re not suppose to use the tool that’s designed to do the job it’s designed for? What else would you use a scratcher for?

[@grantgood8456]

I have never seen anyone use metal to hold sill stone on before

[@marv117]

I can’t find the sill bracket he used. Anyone know where to get these?

[@georgevalente4223]

Rather than lathe and mortar... why not just cement hardy board. I used cement board and it has held up after 10 years.

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

Hey George! I have not seen it done like that in my area. Most people do it like I showed you in this video. I don’t see why you couldn’t. Sounds like it has been holding out for you. Thanks for watching!

[@balloney2175]

Lowe's must pay you some commission for advertising their name.

[@TheExcellentLaborer]

They do not, but I wish they would lol. Thanks for watching!

[@jon-xq2lc]

Listen to that Pittsburgh accent

[@jayflaggs]

Is that what it is? Been wondering!

[@serenityplantation7638]

Good video. However based on where u put nails and said u go every 6 inches, I’m gonna say ur wife lied to u about what 6 inches looks like. 😂

[@Boeing_hitsquad]

You put the Lath on BACKWARDS.. FFS. The cups should angle down into the wall ... So gravity pulls the parge into the wall

[@MobtacticsBruh]

MACHINE!!

[@Schuiey]

He most certainly did not put the lath on backwards. But it is much easier to hang the paper from right to left

[@michaelmcgee2026]

Scratch coot :)

[@TheSaltyEgo]

That's a wild accent

[@amanted6411]

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