Dirty Driving In Gran Turismo 7 Has Reached Epidemic Levels (Here's Why)

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[@markdickinson1278]

KIMI doesn't have a channel, he doesn't benefit from everyone else calling him out. He also uses setting to stop spin outs. I think there are too many KZbin "pros" saying turn off all settings. turn on the anti spin out setting and you wont get pit maneuvered. turn on rejoin track and you wont get stuck in the grass for 20 seconds. GT doesn't ban players, proven, he's playing within the games mechanics. Granted, it sucks lol.

[@pixelcultmedia4252]

Kimi is an emotional twit. We've seen him lose it on any contact and then rage quit. He's not some infamy clout-chasing whore. He's just an emotionally stunted idiot who can drive fast.

[@yittmashups]

I've seen in comments of other videos about this driver that the driver will send messages with titles of videos made about the and decorates their car with dirty driving references. Clearly they're enjoying the attention and seeking it. You don't need a KZbin channel to have that gained benefit. They enjoy these videos made about them.

[@diedforurwins]

It’s so true. He is playing by the rules of the game.

[@RCmies]

If I see someone constantly pushing people off intentionally and I am able to catch them, my main goal becomes to ruin their race completely so that they finish last at all costs. I will do it smartly of course, so that I don't just spin out and let them continue. Even if it takes me with it, but just seeing them finish last is so satisfying.

[@spiderbeebs]

For me, the worst part about dirty driving is that it’s a lose-lose for the victim. If you quit: negative rating and a 10-20 min wait until the next race If you stay: penalty and/or losing the race and negative rating in most cases

[@ben9068]

Approximately 1 race in 5 I get is clean. It’s really getting to a point where I’m considering stopping playing.

[@danielnorman2820]

I gave up months ago because of it it’s not worth the stress. Much better off on acc

[@minardi-tjp]

100% agree

[@minardi-tjp]

​@danielnorman2820 is there less of this in online races?

[@marcuskironde5610]

You have now clean race then me cause I nvr have gotten a clean race hell the Toyota series was trash from turn 1

[@DanfredSerrano]

One thing I've noticed a lot lately is that when I save replays and watch them again from various points of view to analyze what happened and how people react and feel in their shoes, I see a vast majority of drivers using driving aids, mainly countersteering assistance and ASM, which results in the settings kicking in at every point of the race, making them drive erratically, slowing down in sectors they shouldn't (and making you bump into them because of the unexpected sudden breaks) but more importantly, if they engage with you trying to force you out or punt you, their car regains control almost immediately while yours don't, so it actually pays off more for them to drive like that. Other thing is how weird the AI calculates penalties... A few nights ago a car behind me forgot to break completely, smashed right behind me, lost control and met Barry R... I got the penalty for pushing another car off track.

[@xracer5995]

Until PD develops a PROPER penalty system, this problem will always be around 😳 Thanks for the upload 👍👍👍

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

"Until PD develops a PROPER penalty system" So you're saying, never?

[@gawith78]

The shame is, that he doesn't get a penalty in the whole race. And as long as you aren't getting a penalty, your SR-rating won't suffer.

[@bigsarge8795]

Exactly. But yet i get a one second penalty for two tires over the line at le mans

[@battldogeurmum698]

Also that livery ain’t it bro 💀

[@fearlessliter430]

@@bigsarge8795 all day long I keep getting penalized for hitting the barrier WHEN IVE BEEN PIT-MANEUVERED into it.

[@RisitasKEKW]

How’s this a shame? This was hilarious

[@Jinp4chiEGO]

No, i had a race with a single touch: i went so smooth into the wall that theres no penalty, still my SR decreased.

[@bharataggarwal1550]

True man, for me gt7 is my go to. Life is not so great for everybody, people should understand that, I put in my everything in every single race just so I can get better and better and one day the best and these dirty drivers have no respect for driving space and stuff it’s not okay. It’s just sad that i start p3/4/5 and end up p13/14 that to only cause i don’t want to quit the race. It’s just sad man

[@lewishowel4288]

I've been in races where a couple of punters turn the whole field bad. Ironically it seems to be everytime I get up to B class. They obvs need to work on the blame side of penalties for a start, that might be enough. But if not, maybe a cost in credits for "damage caused" to other cars comes out of account, kinda like insurance. And also a cost to repair your car before it can race again, maybe that day? So kimi car front should cost him 20k say to repair before they race that car again that day if they own it. If rented, then the cost comes straight out. But, will only work if the blame side is sorted of course.

[@Kireth]

I like this 😅

[@leodalkey651]

Its a solid idea. Yes if they just patched this in so many players would lose their hats. But players would adapt. Especially if the other drivers in single player had individual statistics and a bankroll.

[@marccox7371]

I think once someone is reported a certain number of times by the community, PD should punish by making them a ghost for a set period of time so they can’t adversely affect other peoples races.

[@Kireth]

Great idea

[@christopherjohnston6343]

Make them a ghost AND make them invisible. You can still take advantage of ghosting to mess up others lines. I reckon part of the draw is the attention

[@TheTamrielDrunkard]

No because as a ghost you don't have to respect when people slow down at turns because of congestion. Which is why time trials are always faster than race pace

[@TheTamrielDrunkard]

They should just ban them for incremental amounts of time

[@CalebBlackFlash]

I disagree because people sometimes report for faulty reasons. I play Hotwheels unleashed and people will report good players for "cheating" when they aren't and are just really good at the game... which causes good Players to be being banned because bad players can hang its whack

[@boneappleteeth4455]

Imagine hitting the barrier and get a penalty because he rammed you off. Good job Polyphony…

[@PatsFanGermany]

Happened to me this week several times at Monza. As long as hitting the barriers (after being rammed off track) and cutting corners is being penalised harsher than ramming other cars off track, there is no point in competing in online lobbies. It took me months to achieve Dr A (with Sr S) and it took some a$$holes 7 or 8 races at Monza to ram me down to DR and SR B. I'm seriously considering quitting GT7 for good!

[@petervandeven130]

Got punted hard at Ascari. Hit the barrier and got a penalty. Took me some time to get out of the gravel and the game showed me the message that I would soon be disqualified for too many penalties .... Go figure.

[@PatsFanGermany]

@@petervandeven130 The penalty system is totally broken! It's not punishing bad on-track behaviour, but instead it rewards clever cheating.

[@High.on.Life_DnB]

Oh yeah the wall collision penalties are so stupid, as if colliding with a wall in 99% of the cases doesn't slow you down enough, only if you gain time with a wall collision like wall riding you should be penalized.

[@miamistormz]

Lol that’s one of the reasons I stopped playing. I’d get slammed into a barrier from the guy hitting me and I’d get the penalty and he wouldn’t get anything.

[@frank7231]

You cant deny how skilled he is, to get to the best lobbies, then remain at the top of them while ramming everyone and slowing yourself down but still winning is hilarious haha.

[@drkwsherrill]

I think having a "No DR or SR Changes" race every week contributed, because that's where I first saw the increase in disrespect. It's now bled over to the B and C races and I think many of the best drivers have left

[@xmadnightx5451]

Yup that was me taken out first. I just found this video coincidentally. At the beginning of the race someone even wrote "KIMI DIRTY" and I still gave the benefit of the doubt, just to pay in the 1st turn...

[@xracer5995]

You drove really nice, clean, you are fast too. It’s a pity Polyphony has a crapy penalty system 👍👍👍

[@Kireth]

Hi! That's me! You're probably wondering how I ended up here 😅

[@skltr21]

Yeah the penalty system is a disaster on this game. I have been absolutely hammered into oblivion and somehow I get the penalty for hitting a barrier and the person that slammed into me got no penalty at all

[@BenWalker01]

Kimi needs a hug

[@bsn0730]

I'm in lower lobbies where I don't have popular drivers everyone knows and granted I don't play the game a ton, I'm very casual about it but I rarely see outright dirty drivers. Usually the worst I see is when two drivers have some contact and one or both get angry and try to ruin the other driver's race they had the contact with. Plenty of bad driving, people going for dives that just aren't there, losing control in a corner or braking with a tire in the grass, outbraking themselves and crashing into the car in front (me included in all these) but most of the time the people I race against will keep it clean when they drive within themselves. People usually don't wait up when there's contact though is the biggest problem with the bad driving.

[@mkaleborn]

I’m in the C lobbies still too, I don’t play enough to really advance. But I’ve seen exactly the same thing. Most drivers mean we’ll, it’s just the skill level isn’t quite there. But I’ve had some amazing friendly battles with other C and B drivers for the most part. I think it’s the high profile KZbin crowd these ‘pro dirty’ drivers target for the infamy.

[@tyesoncollins331]

Fully agree with you both

[@nm-1-m159]

He's filthy and he knows it but he's loving the fame why would he stop😅

[@Kireth]

😅

[@etreaders87]

I’ve struggled a lot of times recently with GT7 on this subject. I get to play 3/4 times a week. I’m constantly frustrated by drivers who take you out, knock you down to the back of the grid way off the pack, and you get the penalty for hitting the barriers. All whilst the other driver gets away without any reprimand. It then makes me angry, and after a few incidents to anger me, I then play dirty too. On that odd occasion I can have a drama free race, the rewards of playing GT7 are incredible. But that’s few and far between right now.

[@richardhight7616]

I'm right there with you. I honestly haven't touched GT7 in months because of dirty drivers and the only time I do I play offline or lobbies with friends. LOVED online in GT Sport but GT7 has taken all the enjoyment out of online sim racing for me.

[@rolirolster]

You're right Kireth, I grew up in an era of streakers, it used to happen all the time at the cricket and pretty regularly at the football. Then the TV stations had a "no show" policy and nowadays you don't really see it. Take away their oxygen and they'll disappear.

[@therayven3147]

Yes... I remember the "streakers"... used to see it all the time here in the US during MLB baseball games... you don't see it much any more nowadays due to, as you said, the "no show" policies...

[@matthewhead1465]

I stopped playing GT7 because of dirty drivers in lobbies. The car in front of me hits the wall and slows causing me to rear end them and I get a penalty but then drivers can drive like Kimi and get absolutely no penalties. It’s absolutely disgusting and turns off the casual racer. What irritates me even more is that Polyphony can see all of these “dirty driver” videos and they do absolutely nothing about it.

[@AiBilly]

He can only be dirty if he has someone to race against. If everyone got together and made it a "Thing" just quit the lobby the minute you see him !! Possible ? "The Kimi Dump"

[@lewishowel4288]

Maybe similar to report function, players can chose an avoid function on drivers? So if everyone online in region has avoided Kimi fir example, they'll have no one to race against. Although guess could be open to abuse to avoid genuine good drivers I dunno

[@CyrusDarkfur]

Only 2 ways to truly solve the problem of rammers, either PD needs to work with the streamers who play on KZbin and Twitch to ban these individuals. Or all the main streamers on those 2 platforms need to boycott GT7 and all future GT games loudly enough to put a hurt on PD's profits.

[@Kireth]

Great idea Cyrus. Can we co-ordinate and do it though?

[@crabbyschadow5478]

Id say they should have both the iracing damage model and incident system. That'll make them think otherwise

[@1xRacer]

The only solution I can think of is add additional tiers to rating and safety where you just can't get there if you're on any level unsafe.

[@grahamhill4113]

I've given up on GT. I've become one of the clichés who have started on ACC and I haven't looked back. If you want serious racing, GT just isn't the place to be. The fact that Kimi even makes it into so many content creator's videos leads me to question how big the online player base actually is. And finally, even taking the penalty system out of the equation, the SR system in GT needs a huge overhaul. It's just too easy to get the S rating.

[@deanpaulson8579]

Kimi uses steering assist so is able to control the car when he's punting people off track thats why you rarely see him going off his self , also if he does get banned he will just open another account and carry on as usaaul

[@AlanKSimulations]

PD can 'Brick' a players PS, which blocks their PS from being able to use a GT license code, meaning they can even play GT offline, their PS will simply not allow them to open the GT 7 app. They done this with a number of players on GT Sport so its surprising that they havent done it on GT 7 yet.

[@MustangChuck]

@@AlanKSimulations I'd be interested in seeing videos about this and the events surrounding them being blocked from GT Sport. Do you know of any?

[@AlanKSimulations]

@@MustangChuck i was away from the sim racing scene for the whole 18 month period of Covid but was aware it happened. Kieran (TheKie25) and (DeadEye)Delboy have spoke about in a number of dirty driver videos they have posted and where racing competitively at the time so im guessing they could provided more precise details.

[@DUBSTEP_KUSH305]

Kimi still around oh my goodness 😆

[@Captivateitmedia]

I think that after every game that happens, that the system shows all racers cars/user names to either select or not select their icons, which in turn, would inform some sort of system in truisms database, that …per say, 9 of 20 people selected a specific user, a clip of that users replay of the race gets assessed and at that point, they get banned for at minimum. A month..blocking them from joining other online lobbies, I dunno, just trying to figure out some system that allows bad dirty drivers be kicked out for a long while, and if they do it over again once they get to play again, after the 30 day block, then if it happens again, then boot them for 6 months, then a year and then directly 2 years… more punishment needs to be set in place… it’s like at a job at a company, 2 strikes and your gone…and that’s that…:) Great vid. And sad to see as always, one bad apple spoil the bunch.

[@stephenscott5849]

If a lot of reports get some1 banned then it would allow a well known person like u to to say every1 report this guy and he gets banned wich is like bullying. U could get any1 banned who u don't like wich is wrong imo there should not be a report option we need a pen system so dirty drivers can't make it into good lobby's and when Mr turismo gives us a pen system there's nothn but complaining about it. Dirty drivers r a part of the game and all racing games u just gota deal with it and find a way to still have fun.

[@dinoridgeway]

Scottie, I used you as a positive example in my comment for how to deal with the Kimi's and the GT-Arc's. Hope you don't mind. Yours is still the most effective approach I've seen.

[@kustumbshop5738]

Oh get off it. Dirty races are not good. They should be banned.

[@stephenscott5849]

Thank u sir its nice to hear that

[@Kireth]

Appreciate the insight!

[@Doctor-Detroit]

This only proves that PD has NO IDEA how to create a PROPER online experience for their playerbase. IF they ever get it sorted then I MIGHT come back.

[@silverfox8598]

it is utterly incredible that PD have not sorted this out it is not like it is a new problem, it has just got worse, this is one of the reasons I have NOT bought GT7 or a PS 5 to play it on as i cannot be bothered building up my driver profile to have it smashed by dirty drivers, they could simply ban them each account must have its own unique identifier like MAC address or PD database Id to track and ban the culprits that's why I believe more of the private you tuber lobbies such as Kie are becoming more popular as there is ultimately more control to remove bad drivers and ends up a more enjoyable experience. PD should take note of this. P.S. Great channel.

[@thizzobishi]

As a BS rated driver that gets to race a max of two hours a night which at best is 8 races I can concure that it is highly frustrating when most of your lobbies are less than respectful drivers. I just want to relax an have some good races and there's just got to be the yahoo's to ruin a good thing.

[@PoisonedMonkey]

I'm at BS as well and can't fathom how some of the people I race against still have their S safety rating. Makes no sense. In GT Sport some of these would be down at C or D for the stuff they pull off.

[@thizzobishi]

@@PoisonedMonkey absolute facts. I mess up miss a braking point an accidentally send someone off track I lose a letter an before I know it I'm a BC driver yet theres BS drivers who just never seem to go down. I've seen it but I imagine there just out there ramming everyone at that point. The system is weird. Not to mention once you get down there in letter it seems so hars to get it back some tracks it seems like it impossible to get a clean race bonus like what do I have to do beside not hit anyone and get no penalties. Is touching grass period not clean. These are the answers I need.

[@michaelsutton60]

This problem is ultimately down to PD the fact that he can play the algorithm is irrelevant. They (PD) should be all over a) the report feature. B) social media. They just don't seem to give a 💩. £70 for a game and I've had three races on now and don't want to play anymore due to horrible take outs that where definitely deliberate is so disappointing it's unreal.

[@mkaleborn]

Yep all it would take would be 2 or 3 employees dedicated full time to scouring SM and high profile KZbinr channels to see who the bad apples are. For super rich companies this shouldn’t break their bank. But seems PD don’t put a high priority on that…. :(

[@MrHighbrow777]

I'm a B Grade driver, trying as best I can to keep it clean. Sometimes I miss brake points, sometimes others brake too early, sometimes we bump in the bends. Seems penalties are frequent enough, and yet Kimi does all that without a single penalty. Fix the system by going too harsh rather than too soft.

[@Kireth]

Keep driving the right way 🤘🤘🙌

[@Thunderer0872]

This is why I no longer play any racing games I've been done with it for 5 years I refuse to play with clowns.

[@MarkMash17]

Being in Australia, I've never seen Kimi as we don't get matched in lobbies around the other side of the world. Dirty diving isn't too bad over this side of the pond

[@RiccardoArmentano]

Bro, i raced with Kimi Velocini, i knew that he was dirty so I pushed him off the track and I won the race, this is the only method to win with dirty drivers

[@dinoridgeway]

Thank you Kireth, this is a great approach... constructive without being overly sensational. Here's a useful psychology trick I learned from our friend Stephen Scott: Scolding dirty drivers and trashing them in chat is EXACTLY what they're hoping to see after the race, so just don't do it... flip the script and say something light-hearted instead like, "Hey, lets be friends." or "That was fun, but less boom boom in the next one, please." Your rage is their reward, so take that option off the board completely, and force a "relationship" with them instead. Now results may vary, since Scottie is a Certified Master of charisma and charm, but it's also worked for me plenty of times too. Thanks again Kireth, for bringing attention in a more positive way. Much respect! 👍❤

[@stephenscott5849]

Lol thank u for the kind words sir

[@Kireth]

Amazing insight Dino!

[@kevhavard]

Yeah deffo nowhere near as good as Sport for quality of lobbies. I now don't trust most other drivers when going into a race and that is sad.

[@Kireth]

Prisoners dilemma

[@kevhavard]

@@Kireth 😂

[@dowd155]

I’m a reasonably racer, if I accidentally punt you off, I’ll wait for you to rejoin track and take your position ahead of me, but when I’m punted off, the other drivers just continue on like nothing happened.

[@nickvicious295]

Here Kimi obviously goes off track and shorts some turns in order to gain seconds against people in front so he catches up quickly while those cars in front are actually racing within white lines. So a good penalty, and I've seen this in other racing games, is just reduce the speed of players who cut corners, it's like 2 or 3 seconds where the dirty driver goes slower than the rest of the lobby. But a game allowing the player to technically create a shorter track to gain time is quite ridiculous.

[@dieterromanwicht6]

Its not about Kimi, its about the penalty system which is shitty.

[@Kintela]

my point is simple, if I miss the braking point and hit a barrier or leave the track without affecting anyone I get a double penalty (I lose time + the penalty), and then we have people like Kimi, who do what they want and the system does nothing... in my opinion the rules have to be reviewed and the system too.

[@wifidoorbellguy4351]

I would love all the clean drivers to drop back , line up and just stay behind Kimi.

[@DracFury]

Kireth, all the decent clean racers went back onto GT Sport months ago. The GT7 public lobbies are still not working properly, maybe it's the PS4/ps5 mix that does it, but the racing is so much more stable on GT Sport. #ddr #deedot90 #fb

[@Kireth]

They don't change the dailies more than once a month on gt sport 🤔

[@DracFury]

@@Kireth Every 4 Weeks. Im more edging towards active teams and leagues using the lobbys. 👍

[@mattharvey6240]

Some people just want to watch the world burn

[@Kireth]

🦇

[@Zascar_88]

The report system doesn't work either.. all you can report is language and pictures (liveries)... no way to report driving standards.... 👎

[@gdpelmennaya3682]

In this scenario, if I see someone just punting everybody else off the track, I'll wait for a straight and just fully send them into the shadow realm, then just casually continue racing. If someone intentionally punted many people and me, sending me to last place, I will punt them and haunt them for the rest of the race, completely annihilating them. Sadly, to play online, you need ps plus, which I don't have.

[@RisitasKEKW]

A complete master class by kimi here. This was hilarious. Well played from kimi I see nothing wrong with this. No penalties. If you can’t beat ‘em, join em. Literally kimi ran an incredible race. Ez win

[@SR-CHRIS-48]

I set up an alternative account because I was frightened to lose my B DR (almost A) as it took me a long time to achieve because of dirty drivers but in my second account it’s proving almost impossible to get anywhere close to it because of all the dirty shameful rammers that totally spoil it for everyone I started 6 races last week and only managed to complete one race without being rammed off I’m starting to wonder if it’s worth playing the game anymore

[@PatsFanGermany]

That's what happened to me. 7 or 8 races at Monza (and 2 at Barcelona) and got rammed off each and every time! Dropped from A/S to B/B in a matter of hours on Monday evening. Had taken me months to get to A/S.

[@mkaleborn]

Amazing not a single penalty seemed to be fished out to Kimi for all that carnage. I wasn’t aware the driver aids could be so powerful, basically a ‘Rammer Aid’. I think if PD / Sony ever roles out their Sophy AI, some will just abandon online races and use that. If it’s realistic enough, I’d just race against my 1 or 2 buddies and have the rest of the grid be AI.

[@lvl9541]

Man named skyjmpn was in like 10 of my monza races on PS5 and every race he said sorry monza full send. Id like a week of all slow car races more fun

[@NewoNZ]

Maybe GT7 needs a low priority split similar to how Dota2 handles it. Force you to do a number of incident free races before it let's you back into a normal split. That way all the dirty drivers can continue to race but with each other instead.

[@Kireth]

I'd pay to watch those splits 😅

[@mrbumcraic5046]

Sportsmanship ratings should take care of that but as the game sees no foul your ratings are not effected

[@NewoNZ]

@@mrbumcraic5046 No I think this should be separate from that rating. If you get reported a certain amount of times it should put you into that split automatically.

[@TxM_CrazyBirch]

I like this... except the fact that the "punted" will end up in there too. We need live stewards... on random races, or even after the fact, to review reports and penalize the punt-ERS.

[@UnboxRacing]

I drive in GT7 like IRL. Absolutely respectful to fellow drivers. This guy. I see him, I'm taking him out. And I'm stopping right in front of him and doing it again. I suggest everyone does the same so that he cannot race. Another option, you see him in your lobby. Stop. Let him drive the track on his own. He's the only pink 911 on track. In Asia there are loads of bad drivers and rammers from one country, guess from where? You can avoid them for the most part. But until PD do something, it's either take action yourself or play a serious Sim instead. He has a SR of A right? What a joke.

[@consumerofstuff7854]

I stopped playing GT7 months ago. There is no penalty system! It does not exist! I spent just over a year on GTS getting good. I managed to creep my way into the A+, then I bought GT7 and it was fine. The penalty system was strict but it worked to deter rammers and cheaters from doing what they do. Then they nurfed it to oblivion over a couple of updates to the system now where it's completely absent. I will not race on GT7 until I know I can race in a fair field of participants who are willing to act sportingly.

[@DrSpoculus]

Game companies should do more to empower the proven good players as moderators. Since they are in a lot of races it would sidestep the need to hire people to watch races. Just give some drivers mod powers. Not every random joe, but streamers that have proved themselves. Companies should uses the assets they have, and the players are an asset.

[@sonnyboychris]

They split drivers by what assists are turned on. It's the idiots who drive with counter-steering turned on so they can execute pit maneuvers without consequence.

[@Kireth]

Not sure about that chief

[@sonnyboychris]

@@Kireth I meant to say that they SHOULD split the drivers by what assists are turned on. Sorry about the miscommunication. Kimi wouldn't be able to terrorize people if he were forced into lobbies with players who also have counter steer on. His antics would be offset. Likewise, if Kimi wanted to go into lobbies with all assists turned off. He'd wreck himself out of the race as well.

[@danielmerriott7793]

Glad it not just me that see this I’m getting fed up of online due to these players I always said there should be a system where there dr is removed and players that aggressive and the victims should be rewarded be rammed off

[@CPMotors814]

I gave up on GT7 a while back , got a full sim rig sitting there doing nothing 🙃

[@patb6430]

Like you said, Kimi is fast! He can make it to these top lobby's, meaning he's gotta have quite a few good clean races to get there! I'm not saying its right, but one could argue, the fame or infamy you give these guys prompts this sort of driving style because, for instance, you have given him an entire video! Alt accounts and fame for the person or the youtuber,, can also spark the idea, he is part of streamers content, or directly linked to the streamer for the added views! You think Kimi would even be searched if it wasn't for you guys? A quick search for Kimi brings up a number of your videos! So essentially you're part of the problem or directly linked to him yourself! Its a horrible feeling, having a good race ruined, but think of it more like, dynamic opponents. Tyre wear, fuel or weather can ruin your game just as quickly. It can't be policed because there's always the element of mistakes or malfunctions in equipment that play a part too. I think you have to stop giving the fame to these guys. Being an enthusiast, put your focus elsewhere and don't show his highlights or emphasise him in your videos!

[@josephmatuszak3855]

Oh, it's not the game as much as the socio-economic plight we as a society find ourselves in. Increased ignorance, arrogance, and tribalism are a sweeping problem. To me "a left handed driving enthusiast" I can literally see when people are disturbed on the road based on how they drive. And people are driving like they lack social skills, they lack empathy, and they lack a greater understanding of the greater events because they are sucked into bullsh** stories and fear mongering.

[@dominicansharingan]

Even though what you said it’s true, I don’t think it applies to gt7 dirty drivers hahaha a bit dramatic tbh

[@josephmatuszak3855]

@@dominicansharingan It does, when you see the exact same pre-cursors in ALL racing games lol. As it does.

[@darrendavitt172]

The game has become unplayable.

[@JuergenGDB]

This dates back to even GTR2 days. You can do anything and everything to avoid this but there will always and usually be that guy, or child. What we did to resolve this was go on the forums and create our own racing/casual driving league if you will. Like-minded people want to drive with the same no doubt. You get enough people and pick a couple dates that you know people will show with reserve drivers. So if you have a grid with 20 peeps but have 35 members, you qualify for the best 20 they race.. the others race in another lobby, and you can tally points if that's what you do. At the end of the season, we would gift between 20-50.00 of game credit or whatever. In short PRIVATE lobbies with your racing league of your own.

[@mickparsons2650]

In the last week I have gone from A to very nearly C because every race has aggressive drivers who divebomb or don't know or care where breaking points are, I am close to quitting because it really isn't fun anymore. My skill level is much greater than a year ago and I should be able to get and keep an A. It is impossible at the moment. I am not the only one. Every race you see drivers that were A who are now B or C. IF THEY DON'T FIX IT, HOW MANY WILL QUIT???

[@AlanKSimulations]

In my opinion alot of dropping from A to B DR lately is due to A+ KZbinrs not qualifying and starting from the back. If everyone qualifies, you are placed on the grid based on quali time and you can gain 2 - 3 places or lose 2 - 3 places depending on your skill. Example everyone qualifies, a driver starts 14th and finishes 11th, the game registers that the driver gained positions and boost your driver rating accordingly. This is fair. But when A+ drivers dont qualify and start at the back for KZbin views, a driver is placed further up the grid than they should be, this makes it harder for a driver to move forward in the race, and the A+ drivers push their way through the field meaning before the race has even started a driver is losing positions having their DR negatively affected, combine this with aggressive overtaking by A+ drivers to get back to the front costs drivers on track time and in some cases positions to drivers they a legitimately racing, all losses caused by a driver who never should have been racing in that part of the field in the 1st place meaning even more possible DR loss to be added to the DR loss incurred by an A driver before the start of the race. This is not fair on a A rated driver in any way. But of course KZbinrs dont care about the A drivers enjoyment and ambitions, they only care about views and their own pockets. B to C drop is definitely more of a dirty driving issue tho.

[@Kireth]

Going in hard but you have a point on how this messes up lobbies 👍

[@MustangChuck]

@@AlanKSimulations From what I understand DR isn't affected by gaining or losing positions per se. I read somewhere that based on your placement after the race is over, you gain/take DR from everyone who finished after you with a bonus given for people that have a higher DR than you. At the same time, everyone who finishes in front of you takes a little bit of your DR. In essence, if you finish better than half the grid you net a positive DR.

[@AlanKSimulations]

Yeah i may be going in a little hard 🙂 And even if the way the DR is done how Mustang is saying, it still doesnt remove the loss of fun because of lost time and position on track when you know that that driver shouldn't be there and you know you can compete well with the other drivers who gain time they wouldn't have gained on you if you get pushed wide or bumped destabilising the car etc.

[@seanmeloy4546]

I was almost an A driver with S safety rating. Now barely holding on B with a C safety. Like how is that possible. All this week from Monza

[@therayven3147]

Unfortunately, the dirty driving is NOT limited to just Gran Turismo. A while back, I was playing Assetto Corsa Compatizione (ACC), a dirty driver rammed me, causing me to be unable to continue the race due to accessive damage. Dropped my safety rating from 20 to under 15 in just that one race... then, about a week ago, I was playing on-line in Project Cars 2, and there was a guy just ramming random drivers, and totalling their cars... the lobby went from like 15 players to 0 in less than five minutes, and I never got a chance to race as you can't join an already active race... So, yeah, needless to say, dirty drivers seem to be a worse epidemic than COVID. Something DEFINITELY needs to be done about it. I think, if someone is driving dirty, and they get enough "warnings," that driver should get banned and be forced to pay real cash money out of pocket to get un banned. Just a thought...

[@leodalkey651]

I did a deep forest gr3 14 laps and it was a nightmare. Every corner from p5 all the way to last. I was killing last week but the track was much wider at maggiore reverse. I could actually let these preemies shake hands with Barry R. and win podiums doing nothing but landing a clean race.

[@void9452]

i raced with kimi the whole evening today, i lost my A+ two times, due to my SR dropping to B again. its so hard so avoid people in these lobbies, you get neagirve SR for the skightest contacts so i dont get it how kimi doesnt even get a penalty or still has an S grade SR. its just a nightmare

[@Kireth]

Are u Austrian void 😅😅

[@hondaboy_jim2514]

What we can do?? Don't play daily races!! Tries yesterday Monza after a few weeks off, qualy 4e place, after turn 1 I'm 12. Fight back to place 8, again get rammed off track. So I raged quit, bey bey good rankings... They should rename it WRECKFEST!!

[@frankadank96]

I believe the issue with penalties is if you touch a car soft enough it won’t register it as a collision. I haven’t played iracing or acc but what I can tell from those games is any contact will result in collision maybe no penalty but something showing and tracking saying the driver made contact x amount of times thus putting them in a lower rated lobby.

[@yittmashups]

Yes, looks like they know just what they're doing, and will lightly put the weight of their car on the right spot to be able to "P.I.T" maneuver, or push, the other cars into spinning out without slamming into them. They know what activates the penalties and know how to get the negative effects on others without triggering it. And then they smile, write messages and decorate their livery with troll messages when all these people make vids complaining about them.

[@rdeh1678]

Whats makes this even worse is kimi is actually a real fast driver

[@johangrannas4837]

personally i think he's paid by PP.. the game needs drama. its what i call management by spaghetti-western (the good, the bad and the ugly). we have kimi, kireth and naffantait. kir playing simulation, naff playing normal and kimi playing evil. together they form an weird kinda trinity in which they are dependant on each other and what the game need to prosper. no drama equals less attention and the game gets forgotten.. PP feeds new cars and the occasional new track but still sees to it that a working glitch is never far away, all in the name of marketing. it works just fine for me.

[@palborresen]

I just don't think he watched the etiquette video.....?😏

[@icepop77]

"I'm sure Sony will..." do absolutely nothing. That's what they'll do, because that's what they historically done.

[@Kireth]

I'd like to apologise TO ABSOLUTELY NOBODY

[@icepop77]

@@Kireth pure LOLs

[@mrbumcraic5046]

Racing in lobby leagues is the answer, but Polyphony really need to get there lobby act together We still have no qualifying option, lots of streamer stuff is non existent and connectivity issues are still common. I can see why people would be hesitant to pick it up

[@MustangChuck]

The answer is simple: they need to do an IP address ban on Kimi for sport mode only. He can still play single player or other online lobbies if he wants and I suspect everyone will leave the lobby when they see him in it. But that's the only solution to the problem that I can see.

[@gamebuddy69]

As anyone managed to delete and then re-start a new game? It seems that after deleting the game save, it allows to re-start a new game while offline, but once connected to the internet, the previous/original game save is restored. WTF*??

[@j3ffr0ck24]

Its a video game. People can use controllers. That will never change and because of that, to think it's a "real" driving game is ludicrous. Its for kids and it shows every time its played.

[@SteveLukas]

PD don't care about the penalty system, they just care about the mtx.

[@petervandeven130]

Current daily races are sick to the core. Lower lobbies are crashmageddon. Half the drivers don't care what happens to you as long as they don't get a penalty, which is hardly ever.

[@lftdv]

100% agree, lots of people just straight up having no racing IQ either, if you're in a line they want they have no issues pushing you, they also don't seem to understand that on lap 1 of Monza, you NEED to slow down much sooner for T1.

[@pixelcultmedia4252]

Agreed. Everyone has accepted the absence of a real penalty system so now everyone is on edge waiting to retaliate for any contact. Modest bumps and accidents are now met with venomous retaliation. It's not just the bad drivers anymore, everyone assumes that everyone else is a bad driver and the online is practically unplayable if you're a clean driver.

[@simonjohnwright5129]

Haha love the livery. Em, if she is in the lobby can't you just leave the lobby?

[@jnezik1324]

I've given up on trying GT7's sportsmode because of that very reason. I just play the AI. I know it's not that fun, but at least I can finish the races there.

[@dabK3r]

Best thing to do imo would be to take away their fun. if you see someone like kimi in your lobby. Leave, yes it tanks your rating but you can get it back. dodge them like the plague until something gets done about it.

[@muzzan1448]

I haven't played it as I don't get the time to put in to get good enough to drive. IMO, if they don't have some sort of damage system then that's something that should be introduced. Fix the dodgy penalty system. Surely hitting a barrier should be enough of a penalty. Also, maybe add a time delay componant to all repairs. Not sure if that would work as I presume you could just buy a second car with the same specs and continue driving.

[@Kireth]

Gets expensive tho!

[@kevlar9880]

They could easily sort players like this out. After 10 reports you should get a 1 day ban increasing from their they have the ability to do this it’s just they choose not too

[@adamdickerson2762]

I respect your honor and dignity Kireth and I think the game need to be stricter on this kind of driving.. I some wants to play like that just go into a player match lobby that is only driving around acting stupid anyway.. but if they want to play for real then play for real

[@Kireth]

Completely agree Adam! 🙌🙌🙌

[@The_BenboBaggins]

I do wonder if scoring SR out of 100k like DR is would help relegate people like KV down the tiers enough to make them behave or go away?

[@Kireth]

Great idea - why isn't this a thing

[@TheTamrielDrunkard]

I'm not following this, what do you mean?

[@The_BenboBaggins]

@@TheTamrielDrunkard SR is only scored out of 99 points, and is built up relatively quickly - DR is scored out of 100,000 points and takes much longer to build and maintain. If SR was treated the same as DR, dirty drivers would spend much more time in dirty lobbies.

[@TheTamrielDrunkard]

@@The_BenboBaggins Oh interesting, I didn't know that. They should do that and also make it so that S rated drivers can only be paired with S rated drivers in races.

[@truckstop4873]

I worked really hard to get up to a B driver ranking, and kept getting lower ranks by getting wrecked. Now I'm living in D ranks being an ass also. Not fun, but when in Rome.

[@Kireth]

Oh no 😅

[@DBR_Trigger]

They should do temporary bans for players that continuously have reports filed on them. I didn't see Kimi get one penalty in this video! If I did this, i would've racked up over a minute just in penalties.

[@Sabre_Wulf1]

Great your addressing this. But very few people will come across this guy. The reason nobody is going sport, is because day 1 of your sport mode opening: 1. Open sport watch fair play video 2. Choose a daily can be up to 15 mins wait 3. Practice the lap, probably take a rental to start just to up your fair play ranking SR 4. Finally get a race 5. Get it completely ruined by others immediately. This kimi is one guy.. at the absolute lowest level as a starter, every single car is bashing you up, spinning you off. Don't get me wrong i like a good race and strong position chasing. What I'm talking about is the entire online community just aiming and bashing ppl off the road for fun. Your right, I work hard, come home, want to race. I'm older. 3 things that will sort this: 1. Make a Demolition Derby mode for idiots. 2. Make a kick system. All others to vote cheaters off. Always worked in the past. 3. Make age based servers. I will guarantee you this is a child and teenage thing. Just make it so you can create your own servers based on age linked to your psn account with a bank account. I'm not pulling punches. I don't care. You can be nice to that kimi, appeal to his better nature. It won't work, he don't care. He doesn't have a better nature. He never will, and now he's famous you think he gonna stop ? No chance pal. I don't care if he's paid for the game, get him banned online. He still has single player. Everyone else paid good money for this too, let's not forget that. I can guarantee, like me, that new guys (and I don't mean new to gt series I'm 50 years old and been on gt since original PlayStation) (actually I go back to sinclair zx81) going to gt7 sport, returning fans, hoping this absolute train wreck that is gt online (since it went online years ago) hoping this nonsense is fixed, find it's worse than ever before. These guys jumping on sport in gt7 after first race are going to dump this game or go back to gt sport. Like the joke goes on PC games 'what's the best COD game?' Answer: all the previous cod's except the latest one, cos all the idiots have jumped ship to that, leaving the old game to be played by good gamers' Unless Sony sort this, it's dead in the water...

[@lipegomez]

Hi. Thanks for another great video. "The problem is there's to many youtubers making content about dirty driving". Here it is another video. I understand the frustration but the problem here isn't just him/her but the game. In that daily race if you hit the wall you get damage and penalty???? I understand a system like this in Tokio tracks but other ones where there's grass and gravel around don't see the point. GT7 been out long enough to have a much better system. And I don't think within the game you can actually report him/ her for reckless driving, the only option I've found was within the ps profile. It's very frustrating but here Poliphony is to blame.

[@Kireth]

No worries Lipe!

[@Speedracer415]

Worst times being spun... Deep down has always been the AI when your try to beat the challenges 🤣

[@SlipstreamRacing]

I didnt even notice the report feature!!! I got dealt to by GT Arc or eSports that he is called....it was on stream so maybe I can still report it?! Harsher penalty is better than it is now....I would even take the accidental mis-appropriation of penalty instead of this dirty driving!

[@miamistormz]

I stopped playing this game because of how dirty people get. I play fair and I don’t try and wreck people I let faster racers pass me but when I need to pass someone than they wreck me everytime lol. I enjoyed it when it first came out but a penalty of a few seconds when I’m sent to dead last just isn’t worth my time.

[@big-muff-pi6723]

This sort of thing is why I don't play on line any more and won't be buying any more GT games. Dirty driving ruins the game and when it's not fun any more, why play? PD clearly don't care or they'd invest some time in producing a working penalty system that doesn't, for example, penalise people for being rammed off.

[@Colt.m]

The worst part is when they have good lap times but choose to race dirty

[@Camarao_Pistola]

1. The report system isn't working i think. 2. The penalty system has many flaws. We've seen many contacts that puts cars of track that the game considers "normal". 3. The SR system is working? Since day 1 I am A-S and never got SR lower than S. In gtsport we've all had races that didn't go well and made us lose SR, and sometimes even reset the whole ratings! We all had those moments, in gt7 i never had or seen. For a player to have SR S, you should be very very respectful. I would prefer ir to be very strict than it is atm. 4. It would be nice to PD to have temporary ban with the reports. Like 1 to 5 days without sport mode. I think that also would make dirty drivers think before they act like pigs

[@kellyzak8656]

Love the channel, and love the videos, being in North America, I'm not sure I've come across this Kimi person. But, I do have question for the pros here. I barely play Sport mode, simply because I just cannot compete. I qualify near the bottom always, but when it comes time for the race, the entire field just blows past me, and I'm always fighting for last place. I thought the BoP would level the field, but still I'm left in the dust, the only way I can move up is when other cars drop out of the race, but still, I'm fighting for that last spot or second to last spot. Am I missing something in set up before the race, but with BoP applied, there doesn't look like there's much I can adjust. I'm a casual player so not up on all the ins and outs, but I need to figure out something because it's just not fun, any ideas, tips?

[@heneganov]

I'm not one of the pros, but by holding your foot down on the accelerator when the start counts down you can get away faster (doesn't work on grid starts though). They could also be using traction control to move off quicker (I don't use it myself but if the same car as I'm driving catches me before I reach turn 1, that could be why). Another possibility is that they may just be better with gear changes and maybe are driving a slightly faster car.

[@lewishowel4288]

It could be lots of things here. To start, are you on controller or wheel and pedal?

[@grahamhill4113]

BOP balances the performance of the cars (though GT7 does a very bad job at this) not the drivers. Without wanting to sound rude, it sounds like you just need to get faster. Practice qualifying runs more instead of doing the races and just aim to improve your times. Have you got traction control on? Turning that off is a good place to start. If nothing else you'll learn a bit more about car control.

[@Kireth]

Yo! First I would check your inputs. Then have a look at my Gran Turismo Driving Academy for some basic tips 👍

[@kellyzak8656]

@@lewishowel4288 Just using the ol' controller, I subtly mentioned a wheel to my wife, I got the 'moving on...' look hahaha

[@DrSpoculus]

They do it because they want to win and race un championships with the best drivers. The problem is, if they get there, how they git there won't work for them. They won't keep up with the better drivers. So, I don't know what they are expecting.

[@D0G_CN]

dirty driving happens in every online racing game, imo best thing to do is leave that lobby and find another one. he won't have fun in a empty lobby...