Dirty Game from Yuan Licen against Alexis Lebrun! He Deserved the Red Card

[@mmmkmkmkmable]

Yuan gets into ready position by being at the table and leaning forward THEN he puts his hand up for literally no reason as Alexis is about to serve. This has nothing to do with Alexis' serving speed this is just one of the dumbest tactics by a player who knows he's not good enough to beat Alexis.

[@hybsne-b9o]

nope,,, you're wrong you can see at 0:10, Yuan isn't ready but Alexis Leburn just starts on his own, not considering whether the opponent is ready or not. NOT A GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP

[@janhenke9256]

He is good enough to beat alexis trust my words you will see in future. Just look some of his matches in Chinese Super League

[@serguei3002]

Fuck china

[@noarin0]

​@@janhenke9256 lol ok booboo

[@noarin0]

​@@hybsne-b9o Come on.. you can't possibly think that Lebrun tried in any way to be an ass here. By acting repetedly as hé did, Yuan discredited his ability to manifest any moment where he wasnt ready.

[@JoeyLu]

As a football fan, I do not know how Yuan continued with a red card.

[@FF-pq2ex]

fr what's the point of the cards xD

[@valentinbaumann9575]

I was also expecting a kick-off but I'm not sure how to place the wall

[@sebastianruizrivera6896]

The card system is different in table tennis. The yellow card, just like in football, is a warning. The second step is a yellow card and a red card together (what Yuan received) and it awards a point to the opponent. In the third offense, the umpire shows again a yellow card and a red card together, but in this case two points are awarded to the opponent. Now, if after two penalty points have been awarded the misbehavior still continues, the umpire must call the referee, who will disqualify the player by showing a red card (alone).

[@TheOneMastodon]

@@sebastianruizrivera6896 Tq for explo

[@FF-pq2ex]

@@sebastianruizrivera6896 that is the most complicated card rules ever but cheers for explaining lol

[@tamasbrenyo1348]

Refereeing can be a joke sometimes. They're super strict but inconsistent with calling a serve too low or hidden, but when such continous inentional provocation happens they're clueless. Yuan went way over the line, showcased incredible unsportsmanship, disturbed ~10 serves but only got -1 point penalty. WTT should introduce more serious punishment for such actions, take -2 if he continues, after 5 take the match away...

[@XIplupIX]

What are you talking about so many pros server are illegal, they are acctualy very nice when it comes to serve. I think it was DiMA (not sure anymore if him or another pro) who said you don't do legal serves you play serves which the ref will not call out as illegal, because refs are ussualy not calling out serves.

[@wiseman1219]

​@@XIplupIX yeah that's what he's talking about

[@Gusa911]

only towards Chinese players. Probably scared her social credit score will be lowered.

[@Nirvanaki]

@@Gusa911 xD

[@hithere1219]

Or just make the referee decide when he can start the serve. Then there's no reason to be not ready

[@Liasos88]

Imagine if Yuan worked as a cleaner, he would be working 24 hours every day, continuously sweeping a 100% clean floor.

[@theatog]

Reading through the comments, I'm surprised he actually has a fan base to defend him.

[@sleepyearth]

@@theatog His fan base defend him on the principle of him being chinese. Nationalism and all that. It's huge with his fan base.

[@F_Yale]

@@sleepyearth Chinamen doing Chinamen things.

[@Adri-ek8sv]

So, he will work like a chinese 😂

[@jxmai7687]

​@@sleepyearthNo Chinese will support him, look at the stand, it is empty, hw he only bring shame to the Chinese, and I'm Chinese.

[@yohaneswilliam1995]

2:08 lol even the referee smacked her lips 😂

[@abolition1889]

Disgusting behaviour. It was intolerable enough just to watch, imagine what Alexis was feeling. Regardless Alexis handled it like the champ he is, showing a level of maturity beyond his years. Bravo!

[@AscendingAbove1]

I agree it was bad behaviour from yuan licen but you should not overlook lebrun either, he doesn't even check if opponent is ready or not, both of them are equally at fault here

[@ikun-j7w]

i dont get whats wrong lol😂

[@Darkdumdaedoodede]

Throw the racket to avoid the yellow card😂😂

[@serenade8905]

​@@Darkdumdaedoodede Yeah but he learned from his mistakes

[@david29478]

​@@AscendingAbove1You have to be joking, it was purely chinese dude's fault

[@johnroskos2981]

Unreal patience by Lebrun

[@三弟-r7q]

A top player should have such patience

[@vsevolodmelnykov6730]

No, literally no. Alexis' patience nor life span last enough for him to LOOK AT HIS OPPONENT and see if they're ready or not, he JUST SERVES to his heart content half the time P.S. of course I might not see him waiting due to cuts, but then that's a question for the channel ig

[@NACH666]

He’s known to have the lowest patience in WTT games. Excellent player with one of the shortest tempers I absolutely don’t know how he kept his cool. Total respect. I would’ve flung at that Chinese cunt.

[@niang46]

​@@vsevolodmelnykov6730In table tennis it's the server who leads the rhythm. He does not have to wait for his opponent, especially as he interrupts litterally every service... It's part of the game to exhaust the opponent

[@winmen5279]

@@niang46 yes he doesn't have to wait for his opponent, but the point will be a let as mentioned on 2.9.1.2. normally, you are allowed to have short period of breaks between points to get ready, 5 to 10 seconds to be ready for a serve that isn't in motion yet should be ok. (so the most accurate way to determine how long someone is preparing is by looking at how long did they take from last point to get to full preparation stance in this video) and as you can see, none of the clips has him going over it unless lebrun starts a serve while he is not prepared, which then he'll need to start another preparation cycle (the optimal stance for recieving serve is quite tiring so he needs to get up while the ball is being picked up) it is part of the game to exhaust your opponent while in rally, but it is also part of the game that if he serve to an unready player, the point is restarted.

[@samueldupuis9171]

We got to acknowledge this master piece of concentration, it must been really hard too stay focus against this tactics

[@Baegitte]

Master piece? Hard to stay focus? These are kid tactics….

[@MrTrollo2]

I can easily predict when he will stop, so there's no diffuse tactic involved.

[@stop736]

All he’s attempting to do is throw off the pace of play and keep Lebrun out of rhythm. There is a way to do that without looking like some amateur that knows he can’t compete and win with his own talent alone. Yuan made himself look stupid with this behavior being so blatant.

[@fabiendmng2111]

I referred a game in the french championships when Lebrun played. He always waits his opponent to the table before to serve, which is not showed due to the cuts here. If you are at the table before the serve, you're supposed to be ready, as simple as that. So the red card is well deserved for Yuan because it is a time wasting tactic.

[@frankfeng4728]

"at the table" is not well-defined, so this doesn't mean much.

[@anujmchitale]

@@frankfeng4728 So is the term "ready" since there is no formal acknowledgement as such.

[@anujmchitale]

@Alejandro Pikoulas Plata He is not a cheater. Cheating is different than breaking the game rhythm. Cheating would be something like applying water to the ball while serving etc.

[@briankim7442]

what does a red card mean? I googled it and it says that a point is awarded, but also red card means disqualification?

[@fabiendmng2111]

@@briankim7442 By "red card", we meant in fact "yellow+red" given by the referee. Only the umpire of an official tournament can give a red card directly to the player, which results to a disqualification. But it is extremely rare to be honest

[@slylataupe4272]

It just highlights how classy and better Lebrun is 😊

[@xecuterz996]

Who has played table tennis competitively (even in small divisions) in all these comments? The video cuts are when Alexis Le Brun will perform his service so we do not know the time elapsed before positioning. If Yuan Licen believes that Alexis Le Brun was serving too quickly, he does not stand in front of the table in a position to receive to raise his hand 2 seconds later. If you get into position, you're ready. There may be something holding you back from getting into position, but not 5, 6, 7, 8 times during sets.

[@Tobbedans]

I am currently, and that unsportive Chinese guy should have been punished much more by the refferee, but she is a coward.

[@HS33]

I have played table tennis since 1996, and I played on a profesional level (european youth championships, junior pro tours and senior pro tours) and I agree with this comment above that the Chinese player should have been 'punished' even more and earlier. He acted so annoyingly awful that he should have got a red card already after 4-4(or something) in the first set. Extremely disrespectful behaviour.

[@arnoenballe]

Their are no rules stipulating that you need an elapsed define time before serving… sorry

[@raichu4023]

bro, you cant possibly be this brainwashed, if he wasnt timewasting on purpose he would be arguing about the yellow cards, wouldnt he?

[@carloscebriantornero9647]

There is a code of conduct in the table. Unsportmanlike behaviour can be punished and must be punished. I am a table tennis referee

[@leonawroth2516]

Good for Alexis to stay cool, calm and win this match. What a disgrace.

[@shogrran]

If you want to squeeze time to prep to receive a serve, you raise your hand BEFORE any other motion. If you approach the table and bend before raising your hand that is considered in ALL countries and all nationalities and in all places playing table tennis to be a dick move.

[@joeyn3590]

Yuan is simply an unskilled nobody who needed this tactic to stand a chance against alexis. Good on lebraun for keeping his cool

[@beyiTV]

Unskilled nobodies don't get into the CNT 😂

[@AscendingAbove1]

He is definitely not unskilled man

[@lgeiger]

Yeah, definitely not.

[@sierragutenberg]

Disgusting behaviour doesn't equal to unskilled.

[@mondemeilleur5340]

😂 Alexis Lebrun is so chill and good 🎉

[@chandiego]

World champion behaviour. This kid knows what he’s doing

[@haoxin2313]

🤮🤮🤮

[@Nirvanaki]

@@haoxin2313 cheap chinese mindtricks didnt work this time eh?

[@umi_guratori]

​@@NirvanakiEvery pro player on the world knows Lebrun brothers don't have sportsmanship. They like to start a serve really fast without waiting opponent back to position.

[@Nirvanaki]

@@umi_guratori did you watch the wrong video?

[@Adri-ek8sv]

Une leçon de self-control par Alexis Lebrun. Les chinois savent plus quoi faire pour battre le français. Alexis Lebrun est un monstre programmé pour devenir le numéro 1. Son talent, son mental et son intelligence de jeu lui permettent de réaliser cela. Chapeau bas l'athlète! Et c'est un belge qui vous le dit

[@andreqian9624]

Mdr, j'espère que le résultat d'aujourd'hui t'auras fait taire :)

[@ArabiaNightMoon]

Calme toi mdr derrière il a aussi d’autres chinois qui attendent…il deviendra jamais numéro 1

[@seb067ify]

​​@@andreqian9624mdr Alexis n'a que 20ans. il a jamais dit que c'était pour tout de suite qu'il le voyait au sommet. Ça semblait pourtant simple à comprendre ça :)

[@andreqian9624]

@@seb067ify mon commentaire était en réponse à sa remarque "les chinois ne savent plus quoi faire pour battre le français". Le résultat 3-0 pour la chine parle de soi même. Ce n'était pourtant pas si difficile à comprendre...🤫😉

[@gerritdeheij]

he is good player but will never be nr 1 ..

[@corbinaguiar3697]

That's crazy. I've never seen that tactic, I think he's trying to learn his serves at first because you see him just holding out his racket and seeing what the ball does off of it. Kinda messed up ngl. Also what is the point of a red card if it doesn't do anything? Good on Lebrun tho

[@yoannme1181]

I dont know much about table tennis, but from the look of it it gave a point to lebrun The score was 1-1 before the serve and 3-1 afterwards Right before he serves (just after the ref shows the card) she calls 2-1

[@michellegault4122]

Umpires are in charge of the match within the court’s boundaries and coach area. The referee is in charge of the tournament and only one who can disqualify. The red card for umpires goes with the yellow. First offense : yellow Second offense : yellow and red + 1 point to the opponent. Third offense : yellow and red + 2 points to the opponent. Anything subsequent, the referee gets called to make a decision to give a red card disqualification from the match or entire tournament.

[@dodo-eu6ox]

That’s not his tactic, he just lacks experience; and the French guy doesn’t make any eye contact with him before he starts

[@farhankhanzada855]

Good point....... He is definitely knows that card system sucks so atleast he shud learn his serve

[@mankenybom9344]

@@michellegault4122 Nothing in the rulebook stops the umpire from using the red card to close the match down due to bad behaviour from a player. You don't have to go the way via yellow+red and points taken several times. If a players behaviour is deemed too severe, you can use the red card to disqualify immediately.

[@philcawser]

What a first class tossed that Yuan is. No matter how good he becomes henceforth, he has lost bucketloads of respect for this childish gamesmanship.

[@bluerum896]

He’s Chinese. No respect is needed usually. They go out of their way to cheat because results are more important than respect due to culture

[@chua2237]

@@bluerum896 Chinese invent gunpowder but it was white man used gunpowder commit tons of evil earn tons of gold made women and children suffer in hell to become successful countries, greed profiteering and theft form the basis of western civilization,France is a third world country,if not for them plundered Africa.

[@dariusus9870]

​@@bluerum896cult-ure. The Chinese take dumps on streets. Regular Chinese. They spit everywhere. That cult is disgusting, inside and out.

[@jeanxza5395]

​@@bluerum896i'm presuming you're american 😂

[@sienrid]

@@bluerum896 This is more of a Yuan thing than a Chinese table tennis thing...

[@rockys7726]

If I was the umpire he would have gotten multiple red cards. It's something that he was warned about and knows the rules. It was clear he was disregarding the rules and kept repeating the unsportsmanlike conduct. If I was the umpire at his next match I would be holding the cards in my hand...

[@angelguevara7730]

a player can only get two yellow-red cards before the umpire has to stop the match and call the referee. But I agree with you, Yuan here looked like an asshole

[@rebelaqua823]

A full on disabulation would be appropriate.

[@hithere1219]

​@@angelguevara7730so that's why he stop doing it after getting one red

[@blyzr6669]

@@hithere1219 And then he got annihilated as expected so we're good in the end 😆

[@darkside6215]

i wud have been so pissed...kudos for staying so calm and focused. Respect.

[@manuelvleeuwen]

The fact that a 3 minute compilation could be made of this says a lot, really unsportmanlike

[@lukocius]

How else would you expose Lebruns illegal serves?

[@Thomas17_91]

@@lukocius shut your mouth chinese troll

[@Heohora]

Down bad huh? ​@@lukocius

[@3dprintersawhiteboard401]

The official did a horrible job here. She let it slide WAY too long. Allow this charade to go on for so many serves, is a disgrace to the sport.

[@ShillGuard]

Disrespectful

[@lukocius]

Lebrun is borderline cheating with his serves. Poor technique, hidden serves, tossing ball sideways and NOT LOOKING before even preparing for serve.

[@Otto.93]

@@lukocius stf* you don't know anything about this sport

[@Oxirius_]

​​@@lukocius we cant see if hes looking before serving bc of cuts, a referee in the comments says that and Lebrun REALLY verifies if his opponent is ready..

[@squiggletop]

I saw this guy play live. It was absolutely diabolical the level of cheating. And it totally won him the match (not this match). Not good for his reputation going forward.

[@httr21skins]

Chinese like to cheat. They're good at it

[@Baegitte]

“If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying”

[@TheNovembernovember]

​@@Baegitte"no one says that except cheaters"

[@gorgit]

How did he cheat?

[@TheNovembernovember]

@@gorgit You rewatch the video and try to understand why he got a red card.

[@lolollolol5654]

i am amazed how the french did not lose his cool. in tennis i would called the supervisor five times already

[@TopFearless]

This punishment is an absolute joke. Players like him make a mockery out of these rules, there should be one warning and then a quite immediate disqualification if the player does not change his behaviour.

[@Kevooo647]

guess thats the Karma he deserves, rarely seen such an unfair guy like Yuan

[@chua2237]

@olivierverdys4673 white man success was build on stolen loot in the name of Jesus not the Chinese.

[@Janjanito.Gaming]

​@olivierverdys4673win at all costs? sounds like it's very made in china to me

[@jeanxza5395]

​@@Janjanito.Gamingim sorry what did the US to do win in japan again? Mexican boy go mow my grass

[@jjtabletennis6216]

To be fair, the Lebrun brothers are known for rushing points and serving too quickly when they’re opponents are not ready.

[@52Alf]

It's a shame that the Chinese Table Tennis Federation chooses such players to represent the country.

[@daneschur4308]

Lol. They’re in on it. PEDs etc…

[@griffehotte]

Wieso 🤔 passt doch😂

[@stapsg]

What a shame to the Communist Party of China and its great leader Xu Xin, oh, sorry, Xi Jinping that they chose this asshole to represent China

[@kaelaaaaaaa]

Oh my god, this really pissed me off. Glad Alexis won the game

[@michellegault4122]

If I was Alexis and saw my opponent’s hand up while I toss the ball, I’d serve in the net. I’ll then thank him for not being ready because it could’ve cost me a point! :)

[@_.Madness._]

If you were Alexis, you wouldn't serve in the net.

[@michellegault4122]

@@_.Madness._ in this context, yes I would

[@a.m.9466]

I was impressed how Alexis kept his cool, it’s hard to do BUT it’s a must.

[@reactions4u438]

as a person named Euan, I felt like I was being told off multiple times 😂😂

[@pierreb2320]

--- Just behave yourself! 😡

[@YSFmemories]

Lmao yuan is the 2nd character in my name so i wanted to hate on everyone else😂

[@Fakeslimshady]

Hi Euan

[@TonyTarantula]

Euan just play the tennis so we can all go home PLEEEZ

[@liebestraumer]

La tolerancia y educación del jugador francés está a años luz de la pillería eterna de los jugadores chinos, tanto en gomas, pegamentos y en tonteras como las vistas en este partido.

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

I hate disrespectful players, I am happy that he has lost.

[@Erendislevrai]

Nice trolling at the end haha, I love him

[@thib02]

Imagine this in squash : Stroke after one warning, game at the next one then match. Match would have been over at the first set.

[@nikkos34]

Bien joué Alex !! Tellement content que tu le battes celui-là. Il m'a saoulé avec sa main en l'air là.

[@aBnorMal1990]

verdienter starker Sieg für Alexis Lebrun !!!

[@bobbymehta5805]

Yuan Licen was a disgrace. Unprofessional sportsman conduct. Match should have been awarded to Alexis.

[@maaxsxzone2914]

Because Yuan knows he will not be kicked out even if he gets 10 red cards, he continues like this.

[@tim99291]

What a complete DISGRACE for Chinese tabletennis !

[@believer9536]

Card rules in TT are mild in punishment, so at least referees must use it boldly. Not like in this game, where Yuan got his first yellow after multiple attempts by him.

[@kobiianardo]

please let this haunt yuan for the rest of his career

[@jxmai7687]

As Chinese, I would say Yuan is the worst Chinese table tennis player ever seen. His skills are not up to the top level at all. Playing dirty becomes his usual practice.

[@78popay]

Is it the same as in tennis for the rule ? the receiver has to be ready ?

[@KaarisBOUMBA]

Fierté française 🇫🇷

[@sebastienlg446]

Les frères Lebrun oui 🐔

[@JinshengSun]

I am a Chinese student who loves playing table tennis in my free time, but I will say, Yuan is a dirty athlete who totally gives up his spirits and his Olympic ideals. So sad about this...

[@stephenetridge2584]

Such strange behaviour. Initially it looks like gamesmanship but he was always going to get penalties for time wasting. Now I’m not so sure…there’s almost an obsessive compulsive behaviour about him

[@fraer111]

Yuan's coaches told him to test a strategy against Lebrun who always hurries and rushes with his serves.

[@hellopleychess3190]

@@fraer111 how long did it take to come up with that?

[@stephenetridge2584]

Mmmmmm…is that what you think his coaches told him to do or has this been stated by the coaches themselves? If the former please provide the source evidence. The latter would be an admission by the Chinese coaching staff in openly promoting foul play….I think this is highly unlikely even if it were true.

[@Fakeslimshady]

@@hellopleychess3190 ... come up with what? Everyone knows Lebrun's game

[@TheNoobzoid]

Both players are kinda oblivious, and Yuan's card is deserved. Alexis needs to look at opponent, let him get into position first before he tries to serve. At the same time, Yuan can hurry the hell up.

[@joseitors8522]

When playing at national level 35 years ago, In last round (10 best players) I was facing top favorite player to win nationals, a seasoned chinese penholder player who surprisingly lost 1st set with me and started illegally serving every single time, I complained to the referee but he didn't listen and he kept going. He won 2nd set and on last decisive set, I was 20-15 up and he was serving, he made 4 shameless illegal serving and put the game 20-19 as I kept complaining to referee. Finally, on his last illegal serve, I couldn't handle the serve and referee gave me the point and the game so I won, suddenly after his coach mad rage complained and chinese player broke his paddle by throwing it against the floor.

[@vblueice]

Sorry I am new to tt. If I am leaning in and in receiving postion, the server can take all the time he wants to serve?

[@Clofclof]

There is a limit, but is the referee decides (idk if you have understood what i've said, sry i'm Bad in English x) )

[@renamablefinn6463]

Judging from this video I’m definitely ashamed of Yuan, I’m going to watch the full video now.

[@renamablefinn6463]

Don”t know he was on purpose or not, bat that”s bad behavior for sure, very unprofessional at least.

[@Baegitte]

I’m more ashamed at the ref

[@Davi2810]

The guy tried psyching out Alexis lebrun but he psyched himself out. Bold strategy cotton.

[@abhishekthomas7799]

funny that unlike football, in TT even after red card person is not out...

[@gold6813]

Yuan and his coach. Need to consider the fact that he HAS CHINA written on his back. He is representing a whole country and those of Chinese ethnic origin This is NOT a good look for them and is shameful behaviour when you consider the Chinese are portrayed in a negative way in some countries media already.

[@xxMyGodIsaDJxx]

Has he ever heard talking about sportsmanship ?

[@sofzgt]

What is the rule if the cards in this game? What does the yallow mean and what does the red mean?

[@MrYoumitube]

OMG what a dirty player, it's like he purposely tried to get DQ. He should have lost a point every time after the first warning.

[@pierreb2320]

So glad Alexis beat this repulsive little rat... And this is a good opportunity to pay tribute to gentlemen like Timo who would give points to his opponents when umpires don't see his faults.

[@jeflehardi91]

après il est assez mal tombé car Alexis Lebrun est plutôt du genre calme

[@synkaan2167]

Euh je les connais pas personnellement mais les deux frangins ont l'air d'être des boules de nerfs qd ils jouent lol

[@ParodiaFantasy]

​@@synkaan2167 Surtout quand ils se font retourner tout leur jeu par l'adversaire, ils grognent lol

[@VictorGarcia-n1k]

It looks like this Yuan really has this antics in his game even in doubles. Good he got this red card.

[@rwang1618]

So, as a Chinese and showing my coach (a roommate of Wang Chuqin) this, I would say Yuan deserves the red card here. Here is the thing. It is not uncommon for people to change the serving rhythms in games. For example, when you are on a winning streak, you want to serve faster. And when you are losing, you might "fake" some reason to slow down the serve. However, here is the problem. Usually, even when you want to slow down the serve, you don't do it after you seem to be in a ready position and your opponent is ready to serve. I have only seen this once on a very high level when the player actually noticed that his shoes were untied. Here, Yuan repeated getting into the ready position, and then when Lebrun was tossing, he stopped the game for no reason. If he really needs to wipe the sweat from the hand, what is normally expected is explained to your opponent and wipe it or blow some air and wait. In this case, most people will understand, and it is also preferable (Strictly speaking, if your hand is very sweaty, the sweat can come into the racket, and that is a cheat). So, EVEN IF you are trying to slow down the match, there are better ways to do it. Also, it is really unlikely that when you are ready, you suddenly notice that your hand is sweaty. This is very different from the case when you didn't notice your shoelaces were untied. To be honest, one can play psychological warfare in many ways, and it is sometimes not easy to judge. When Ma Lin is about to lose a match, he might show that he doesn't want the match at all while, in fact, he is concentrating. Yuan's techniques are not only unsportsmanlike and it is not that EFFICIENT. It is very clear from the beginning what he is trying to do, and the top-level player will notice, and then the techniques lose their effect.

[@Stuck313]

How many red cards before you lose in this game??

[@stefanzlatanovic7521]

Brother I would throw hands after the 3rd time. Congrats to Lebraun for winning and staying calm.

[@Kuerikami]

That’s exactly what Yuan wants, riling you up lol.

[@GeorgeWangTW]

dane, it's the first time I have ever seen player in table tennis took yellow and red cards, omg.

[@kdgadi]

Just trying to understand the rules here. How does Yuan continue to play after the red card? Doesn't that mean disqualification? Please let me know. TIA!

[@sebastiengarrigues6703]

It just means his opponent gets a free point

[@gustavitch8518]

in table tennis you have more steps before disqualification : 1st infraction -> Yellow Card 2nd -> Yellow + Red + 1pt penalty 3rd -> Yellow + Red + Red + 2pts penalty 4th -> call the umpire for possible disqualification

[@kdgadi]

@@gustavitch8518 Got it. Thanks, mate! :)

[@sebastienrousseau2657]

@@gustavitch8518 Wow. They seems very tolerant.

[@JonponMusic]

Same, it seems pretty ambiguous coming from other sports heh

[@cary888]

This is an embarrassment for china. they are the best in table tennis and shouldn’t resort to this. The CCP is gonna be mad. lol 😢.

[@YongSiri]

I think this Chinese prayer the skill is not that bad. Instead of trying to piss off the opponent he just focus on his playing. You might win this game

[@speedsterh]

It's not the chinese player's skill which is at stake here, it's his behaviour

[@kasiphia]

That last point was really great though.

[@nedunonnyp704]

How did he get a Red Card and Continued to Play? 🤔🤔

[@JonponMusic]

Surely when it gets to this point, you can just DQ him for the excessive time wasting?

[@danielrutenberg2544]

The matter is simple. There are 2 types of red cards in table tennis. The first type is the yellow and red card. If a player already has a yellow card and continues to behave in an irregular or even unsportsmanlike manner, the referee shows both cards simultaneously in one hand against the player. This is the case here. This gives the player a penalty point, so the opponent gets a point. If the player continues in this way, 2 penalty points are awarded. If he now has 3 penalty points as a result, he may not be guilty of anything else. Otherwise, the referee will report it to the head referee. And this brings us to the 2nd type: the direct red card. It is shown either by the referee or the head referee. The referee may use the direct red card to remove from the playing area (from the box) a coach or other adviser who has already been cautioned by yellow card in the same match. In addition, an unauthorised person who is advising the player can be immediately sent out of the playing area (out of the box). If, by the way, the persons concerned have received 2 expulsions, the head referee will be informed. He will also be informed immediately if a player, coach or advisor has committed a serious offence. And this brings us to the head referee: he may disqualify players, coaches, advisers and unauthorised persons, regardless of whether he has been informed by the referee or not. For this purpose, he shows the red card directly.

[@nedunonnyp704]

@@danielrutenberg2544 Uhhgg, Sounds so complicated

[@danielrutenberg2544]

@@nedunonnyp704 nope.

[@esmolol4091]

Sometimes I serve quite fast too, but if I get the impression the opponent was too surprised and lost a point I ask him, if he was ready, being more than willing to repeat the point. I don't serve fast to annoy my opponent but because I'm very focused on my next move and maybe, because I think a little faster than my opponent. I know how it feels to be rushed on purpose, just to get disrupted in your streak, and this chinese player did all of this on purpose.

[@np5541]

I've watched table tennis casually for more than 20 years. This is the first time I've seen a red card and yet I'm surprised that red cards means nothing in this sport... lmao

[@Win-jx7bj]

Is there any reason of yellow moreover red card if the game still on

[@greis6926]

Alexis Lebrun is known for serving too quickly, often catching opponents off guard, and Yuan went out too far to counter it. In my opinion, the fairest solution to this issue is to introduce a 5-second gap between each serve, allowing the athletes to catch their breath, unless they both agree to skip the time.

[@markterrin8673]

Disgusting... What red card actually means?

[@TTaroundTheWorld616]

One point for the opponent

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[@Meurth]

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[@vladzavhor5753]

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[@vladzavhor5753]

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[@ParodiaFantasy]

Mr Monk's curse 😂

[@CowCow-o5m]

Haha now I wanna see someone edit the video with Monk's face 🤣 It would be so perfect

[@ParodiaFantasy]

@@CowCow-o5m With his theme in background 🤣

[@f1re5tarter]

Bravo Alexis d'avoir gardé ton calme ❤

[@olivierr5937]

In France, we call that a Trouble Obsessionnel Compulsif (TOC).

[@kutshar]

Not expected form CNT player, red car is well deserved

[@LeonardoRozasVillegas]

Cai Zenhua did a similar thing against Waldner. Dirty strategy from some guys from CNT from time to time.

[@synkaan2167]

loosing one point is definitely not enough imo

[@dmitripogosian5084]

On the other note, does Lebrun throw the ball "nearly vertically when he serves ? Looks like at least 30 degrees off the diagonal from the video perspective."

[@botao4456]

So?

[@SayAlotmore]

No one is going to throw a "true" vertical ball. But so many players throw this arc ball now and that might not be a big advantage in its self, but some throw it behind their free hand or their body which in my view is a bigger issue.

[@zelandakhniteblade5436]

I have done this myself in lower leagues against players who get down and serve without letting the receiver get into the ready position. There is a fine line here and while he was certainly mostly to blame, not all of the cases displayed here were the fault of the Chinese player and should not be presented that way.

[@Djellowman]

Nihao

[@charlesfaure1189]

So he was only cheating most of those times.

[@kckcmctcrc]

Can someone explain the ‘Card’ rules? Is it like football… 2 Y = R and thus an ejection. Is yellow a Point? Red a Game?

[@marcosdoyter7460]

In professional tennis, the pace of the serve is determined by the server. Table tennis has still a long way to evolve. This is annoying for the adversary and for the audience.

[@equinoxproject2284]

At some point why doesn’t AL look before he serves. All sports that CC have serve or pitch lol before delivery.

[@DQ2121]

So what is the point of the red card if the player doesn't get ejected from the game?

[@StijnSpitaels]

There was a point penalty as a punishment

[@PatrickMettchen]

Each yellow and red card combined gives an point to the opponent. After three given points (fifth card) the game will be stopped. Then the chief umpire most likely will eject the player. So basically you have to do 5 rule violations to get ejected.

[@mythar1]

@@PatrickMettchen That's too many. Should be maximum 3 chances.

[@anujmchitale]

@@mythar1 Why should it be 3? 3 or 5 is arbitrary. Generally, at this level no one is penalised 3 points.

[@mythar1]

@@anujmchitale It's just an off the cuff opinion and I've not given it much thought. I haven't played for many years and this was my first time seeing the card system. I think you need to find a balance between giving a player a chance to correct behaviour but also set limits and protect the integrity of the game. There is I'm sure a good reason why 3 is the norm and no reason table tennis should be different. I would have to research the matter to give you a better answer.

[@tianl98765]

what Yuan did is not great but it is also known that Lebrun always rushes to serve without making sure the opponent is ready

[@seaneckhart9914]

This is just crazy to see as a tennis fan. In tennis you must play at the server's pace. Its in the rule book

[@listrahtes]

And still in tennis it gets abused by so called star players a lot. Nadal is famous for making you wait for your service for a loong time or break your serve with some fake correction. At French Open he had some disgusting matches like that. even more than in table tennis stars get protection by refs.

[@hotstar6742]

This does not show both sides of unsportsmanlike conduct. Alexis Lebrun uses a tactic of fast tempo so often serves quickly to give opponents less time to be ready and prepare for the return shot. Whilst within rules this can also be seen as not within spirit of game and hence Licen tries to slow it down.

[@Souittie]

Lol.

[@icebear3125]

The LeBron of table tennis

[@greis6926]

Lebrun serves too quickly, without checking the opponent's side, so Yuan countered with that tactic but went too far. I could condemn Yuan but Lebrun is not that innocent.

[@teamkiII]

An umpire will hold up a yellow card as a warning, and to indicate that further poor behavior will not be tolerated. Yellow cards are typically given for offenses that are less serious. If a player or coach has committed a serious infraction, the umpire can suspend play, and speak to a referee. Should a player commit a second offense, they are given a yellow and a red card, and the opposing player is awarded one point. A third offense will be given a red and yellow card, and two points are awarded to an opposing player. Any further offenses will cause the match to be suspended. It isn’t just players who can misbehave. If a coach is misbehaving, they will be given a yellow card in warning. A second offense will receive a red card, and the coach has to leave the playing area. TLDR: Yellow card = stop that Red card = really stop it, point for oppo Suspended = you should've stopped it

[@АлексейПешков-г8ь]

It is obvious those who agree with Alexis never played table tennis in tournament conditions. It is very annoying if the opponent trying to tricking you with fast serve when you are not ready. The server SHOULD look on the opponent before starting the service and be sure that the opponent is ready.

[@SayAlotmore]

Nor did I see him look at Yuan before he started his serve routine. But this video was edited.

[@ZenCapitan]

Nah, I played TT for 20 years, and you can see that Yuan is very nervous, he was leading the set and he lost many points on Lebrun serve. These chineses players have a lot of tension, its the weight of being in this National team.

[@browncony3897]

I think nothing wrong. Alexis did not really wait for opponent to be ready. He just served.

[@a55tech]

there isn't a limit on timeouts u can call?

[@alexislebrun2003]

😅😅😅

[@faselfasel2864]

What would've happened if Lebrun just ignored his stupid hand and continued to play and score like normal instead of interrupting? It would've forced the referee to make a whole lot more decisions.

[@devonramgoolam1961]

Fully deserving of the colors, how come the match continued?

[@BicolBandit]

“The server shall not serve until the receiver is ready. However, the receiver shall play to the reasonable pace of the server and shall be ready to receive within a reasonable time of the server being ready.”

[@Nerdcrusher]

Notice how Fan Zhendong puts his hand up all the time, but only to signal to the audience to quiet down - never to disturb the opponent. This guy is just a classless twerp.