Dirty Tricks with the Force: How to Cheat in a Lightsaber Duel

[@SellswordArts]

For all those saying the sith are too honorable to do this, let me just remind you what Darth Revan and Darth Bane said: "Honor is a fool's prize, glory is of no use to the dead."

[@ameliat-c2226]

Basically sith way of saying a win a win. Also force hair pull 🫣

[@santiagoz.s.1024]

True. But one thing is the "honor" concept in Sith and other very much differnt is the use of cheap tricks to win battles or duels. This is reinforced by the Sith clearly stating that the sword style Trakkata is a show of weakness and desperation in order to fight opponents. Basically, they dont care about the "honor", but they do care that you might come as a weakling if you use this cheap tricks.

[@Srymak]

"The different ideals that governed samurai behavioral norms underwent further mutations during the Sengoku jidai. In the massive free-for-all that was the age of civil war, military prowess and bravery were once again elevated in importance. Victory was more important than adhering to whatever one thought constituted a fair and clean fight. The dark pragmatism of these days can be summarized in the words of Asakura Norikage, who claimed that he would happily be called a beast or dog so long as he won. "

[@Varim.Gaunniss]

1:36 I see "Force Pull Impale" from Jedi Knight Jedi Academy, :D

[@Subutai_Khan]

I never understood these notions of "honor" people have because no warrior in history never followed it. People learn this stuff from DND, video games, and fake history. (Not hating on the former two but the latter irks me.). In real life anyone who is fighting for their life fights to win unless you agreed to rules ahead of time in a duel. Even in duels though, people bent the rules as much as they could. Keeping our discussion in Star Wars, I never have really seen Jedi or Sith follow said honor code people I guess just made up. They always gang up on each other where possible and Vader for example loves to do things like chucking objects at his opponent without hand gestures making them fly as fast as missiles while engaging with the lightsaber. Focusing on the Jedi, we also see Yoda use similar tactics, just not with as much hate and anger behind them.

[@synthemagician4686]

"If they lunge, hold their balls in place at the deepest part of the lunge." -Fiore, probably.

[@cesare_1302]

@@synthemagician4686 Force kick in the nuts

[@Very_Mean_Soup]

Youch

[@elijahmaples5914]

A neat detail in the 2003 clone wars show when count dooku is training general grievous he does throw grievous' leg to the side making him loose balance similar to some ideas you guys mentioned

[@paritoshd]

About the hand thing, I love how Dagan Gera from Jedi Survivor is missing half his arm but he can still do force stuff with it, including dual wielding lightsabers.

[@AmazingMrMe123]

Vader has no organic arms left and still gestures with his robo arms to use the force. Doesn't really make sense upon close examination because midichlorians are only in living material but ya'know, robotic hand wave.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

That’s kinda a plot hole if you think about it. Cuz the other guy mentioned how amputated limbs shoulda meant reduced midichlorians but it never does. And to make it worse, Dagan and Masana have actually gotten MORE powerful in the Force because of amputation

[@emraldboof8244]

Always hated how all force battles are just throwing rocks. Your ideas are amazing and would be dope to see on screen

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

The idea of Sith *not* using cheap tricks is stupid AF. Backstabbing their own temporary allies when it's convenient for them, attacking civilians to draw out Jedi, using superweapons, etc. are on the table but not messing around in duels? Hell no. Jedi believe in doing the right/fair thing at every step while Sith shouldn't care about anything except victory. To a Sith, anything and anyone is a means to an end, and that end is victory at all costs.

[@andersonandrighi4539]

Not all siths are about winning no matter what. Some would refuse to cheat or ti do dirty tricks because they want to prove the superiority of the dark force. To them the light force is simply too weak.

[@theendersmirk5851]

Both of those assessments of the two sides are incorrect because one of the most pragmatic fighters in Star Wars is Obi Wan, hence his constant use of the tactic of "fake surrender until his army outmaneuvers the enemy forces and comes to his location." Equally, the Sith *have* people who make those kinds of calculus, but equally they have tons of blood knight trope idiots whose sole goal is to show how strong they are. Palpatine is the only one who would be that kind of pragmatic in the movies, and when in direct combat he genuinely seems to get off on electrocuting people, so he doesn't prioritize using the Force in any dishonest way just because he just wants to make his opponent feel small and then electrocute them. Reminder, Jedi are idiots, Sith are idiots, there's a reason they're outcroppings of the same base religion in some tellings of their orders' origins.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

It’s not about refusing to fight dirty, it’s about refusing to fight like a pussy (*cough* The Stranger *cough*)

[@Subutai_Khan]

What you mentioned about force speed and amplification is actually exactly what happens in Jedi Academy :D. You learn about the ability and think you can just increase your speed when you fight lightsaber wielding foes but anyone with any skill with the force just matches your speed with force speed so you end up in a regular lightsaber duel again. I think it introduces a lot of plot holes anyway (Episode 1 had them literally flashstep away but it was never addressed again.) Instead it makes more sense that they are superhuman and can only move really quick in quick bursts. Rather than going at hypersonic speeds and completely disappearing.

[@AmazingMrMe123]

Part of the hand gesture thing is also a visual medium issue. We've never been able to see the force as the audience so having gestures helps indicate that something is happening to the audience. Especially with this more my minute force attacks we need to see the gesture or it just becomes people stumbling randomly. In a more out of combat scenario we can show a force user closing their eyes and entering a meditative state then an object begins to levitate and that works. You can easily lore justify that telekinesis wirhout a gesture requires more focus than whats possible in combat or it can only do slow manipulation not big forceful strong forceful stuff but at the end of the day a visual medium needs visual cues and hand gestures are a great way to do that. Thats also why force shielding isn't a big inclusion in film and shows but is in books. It can be described in an engaging way in prose, but with force effects being invisible its not nearly as compelling in a visual medium. Something that does happen in the Plagueis novel that I would enjoy seeing in film is force users doing weird things with acrobatics and levitation. When Plagueis fights Venemus, Venemus jumps up on a branch so Plagueis cuts the branch and Venemus holds his position in the air for a moment before dropping to the ground. That's really cool. Id love to see a Jedi or Sith leap in the air and dodge while in the air. Filming something like that would involve wires and harnasses and shit but Disney has the budget for it. One of the main reasons we avoid jumping in fights is we cant maneuver in the air, but a force user could. Some more intelligent aerial combat would be dope.

[@Subutai_Khan]

The gesture thing is actually easy to explain beyond showing the audience what is happening. It is something humans often do when talking or trying to get a point across so many people would gesture regardless of whether it is a good thing to do or not because it makes it easier to imagine what it is you are trying to do. Beyond this, it was confirmed in lore that it is easier to use the force with gestures as well. It is actually a rather advanced thing to be able to lift things and throw them without a gesture the way Vader did in episode 5. Vader apparently only can do that because he is not only powerful but able to concentrate the dark side of the force to an expert level beyond that of any jedi in his era. But because his powers are dictated by his emotions it does lead to weaknesses down the road. If you think about it, even Yoda had to use gestures to use his advanced telekinesis but whenever we see it done gestureless it is usually Sith.

[@AmazingMrMe123]

@@Subutai_Khan for sure. It makes more sense for gestureless to be primarily a darkside activity to me. The Plagueis novel describes tapping into the darkside as a dissociative experience where the Darksiders disconnects from their physical body. I imagine lightsiders probably have a more connected experience where they connect their mind body and outside world together. When I move the world moves vs the world obeys me.

[@ticijevish]

A force user, whether Sith or Jedi, is one with the Force. Another Force user cannot use the Force against them, unless they disrupt their concentration and mental equilibrium first. Case in point: Remember when Count Dooku fought against Annakin Skywalker? Straight-up lightsaber fight, until Dooku takes off Annakin's hand. Immediately after that, Dooku Force pushes Annakin halfway across the hangar bay.

[@theendersmirk5851]

They can also overpower each other with the Force, but fair. At the same time, these moves are being suggested mid duel, while the opponent's focus would be more on using the Force to predict your next strike. A quick push at a specific location, even if the opponent counterbalanced, would disrupt their focus on prediction, potentially leaving them open if they are over reliant on that ability even if it failed. The magic system actually makes this more viable as a strategy, not less.

[@charleshill1906]

Dooku was much stronger than Anakin at that time and one of, if not the best duelist. Anakin was still a scrub and he paid for his hubris with a hand. So in actuality, it doesn't matter your raw power, skill beats power when applied correctly.

[@donovanquesenberryiii5063]

I think if more genuine swordsmanship was used in the movies, the action scenes would be much better. That's why I like your role play sword fighting. Your videos are practical and make sense. Why can't a master swordsman defeat a Jedi who's lightsaber skills are mediocre regardless of Force utility? Like your videos. Keep up the good work. :-)

[@aizenuchiha4998]

@@donovanquesenberryiii5063 Because Jedi use the force to enhance their senses reaction and just enhance their physical capabilities overall you can't really hit someone who can fight while blind if they have all their senses intact not to mention no Jedi has actual bad Lightsaber skills their are forms that suit them and these forms are mostly possible due to the force

[@hanelyp1]

A huge part of how Jedi use the Force is enhancing senses, to the point of seeing a likely attack before it happens. And so reacting lightning fast. Blinding a Jedi won't disable them.

[@seanheath4492]

It would provide an advantage in the middle of a fight, but it won't be as permanently disabling as it would for a normal person. There are at least three examples I can think of where a Force-user got blinded and then learned to see using the Force (Kanan Jarrus, Kreya, Rahm Kota), and an entire species that doesn't even have eyes and use the Force to see (miraluka). And yes, I led with the one that's actually in the modern canon on purpose.

[@charleshill1906]

it's not an instantaneous counter. They require concentration. If you didn't expect someone to throw sand in your eye, unless you've got precognition running 25/8 you're not going to counter the sand instantly or even the blindness. And, if the Sith used his force to propel the sand, then you just got hit in the face with the equivalent of rock salt.

[@MyFriendsAreElectric]

Force pinch the internal carotid artery. Game over man, game over.

[@Red_Eagle]

That would be called a force choke

[@Void_of_Heart1]

The force choke squeezes the windpipe. The carotid artery is part of the bloodstream, the biggest artery in fact, when you pinch off the blood flow it can cause fainting and even death. Different methods and similar ways of dying, but I would argue that using the force to pinch off the artery is harder due to the lack of visualization, like I would imagine it's easier to choke someone with the force around the neck rather than the bloodstream method.

[@elli0142]

force blood freeze. think about it.

[@AlrenClan]

The problem with blinding the enemy is that because of the way the force flows through everything and so on… When you’re blinded you can still feel the force, this is why the younglings have those helmets to stop them from seeing.

[@albertonishiyama1980]

On the other hand, Force Projection and Stealth (both shown on the new trilogy) can be extremelly funny. If you have to find the one real blade to block while the other side is either concealing the blade or making a dozen of fake blades, that would be a hell of a hard time. And since noone noticed Luke's illusion or Kylo's treason on ep8 we could think that it was "deceiving the force". Since it's just a solitários second, and not a whole body from light years away the "mana cost" should be ok too.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

It's all about time. Jedi are still human(oid) and need a few seconds to start adapting to their new lack of sight. Like Kanan vs. Maul. Kanan needed the prep time to beat Maul on Malachor. He didn't immediately beat Maul after getting blinded. It was quite painful and disorienting at first, but then he focused to let the Force flow through him.

[@MetalEsquire]

great vid on a topic not covered by many dueling tutorials. The force is a unique aspect to theatrical dueling in that it allows compelling fights with individuals who maybe lack the ability to perform complex choreography/ athleticism. I see the force as something requiring immense concentration so broad shotgun actions- pushes, pulls or pincers (chokes) would be more efficient after the opponent's concentration is broken and used to create distance/finish the fight. Pinpoint pushes are less efficient because they require more concentration, they only incapacitate a small area of the body and are easier to counter/dodge/block. Jedi emphasize patience and total concentration so its antithetical to their style to, mid-battle, open themselves to such a large vulnerability in order perform pinpoint force actions. The Sith, on the other hand, being rash, impulsive and egocentric would favor tactics that disrupt the opponent's concentration in an unexpected manner or exploit weaknesses in concentration, dealing with the consequences later. i really like the costumes, where are they from?

[@nintai6656]

I always liked the idea of force illusions to alter the opponent’s perception too slightly for them to notice but enough to connect a hit. It’s also harder for a force user to recognize in combat so more likely to work than a blindfold younglings train with. Sand in the eyes would still hurt though.

[@Ghibli-Dude]

I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating… and it gets everywhere.

[@Densoro]

2:22 I got a call right when you said STOP, so the video paused xD These techniques could be used by light-aligned characters too, for Airbender-style shenanigans. Just destabilize the opponent long enough to run away, rather than going for the kill.

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

Yeah and you don't the force to counter, you just not need to care enough about seeming uncivilized to carry a blaster. If he tries those, fire at him, he has to react and then it turns to a blaster deflecting match.

[@avaron_VR_Gamecat]

Force bubbles and force shields block "direct" attacks on any other experienced force user. Also force users can see the force in progress and can counter it with ease if you use it awkwardly like pulling a robe over an eye your opponent dosnt even need eyes to see force as they train blind-folded so you died so many times with these force newbie ideas.. BUT its still a fun video about jedi but a much better title would be "force newbie mistakes". ;) ..The force pushes mentioned are done only when a force shield drops do to distraction or because the force wasnt directly pushing the jedi but pushing an air blast to push them with, not a direct force touch like the force choke used on non-force users. Love all your vids.

[@Ghibli-Dude]

Good point. I want to see them use smart tactics like using smaller, faster objects to trip up the opponent.

[@jedironin380]

A lot of these force techniques were used in the TV series "Ahsoka" and "The Acolyte." I was happy to see how they expanded the use of the Force with hand-to-hand combat! I've always thought of affecting someone's footwork, balance, arm-bar, etc. would be very effective. The problem is, as you pointed out, it's hard to catch on film. As the late, great Bob Anderson said to Viggo Mortenson while filming a big fight scene in LOTR, Viggo asked if certain moves would be more effective for the battle, and Bob replied, "Of course it would my boy, but this is the MOVIES!" 😆

[@Ghibli-Dude]

Force-users have a kind of shield around them that blocks most direct Force attacks, but some things can get through. If their guard is down or the opponent is much more powerful, the shield is broken. I would suggest using telekinesis in smarter ways: use smaller objects to trip them up or hit the back of their head.

[@ProtoBoobs]

Another underrated aspect of a lightsaber is that them MF's is bright. Anyone whose sparred with prop sabers at night or in the dark know it can be hard to see past them at certain angles, but that rarely ever comes up in saber fights, either as a tactical thing, or to maybe show some of the more difficult nuances of the weapon.

[@Icebox11]

About throwing the saber, I play a lot of battlefront 2, and my favorite character is Vader, and I do a sort of “combo” I use the force choke ability and while they’re being held up, I throw the lightsaber and run towards him to finish him. I feel like we don’t see enough of *that* kind of force use, and it’s kinda sad because that would be so cool.

[@damianslad5633]

A really dirty trick could be to force grip their crown jewels but I'm not sure that would make it into a movie. I would definitely do that in a fight to the death. Explode the eggs and then deliver a coup de gras. Force lightening to the stones would also be devastating. Honour is for the dead.

[@PJDAltamirus0425]

I can see the force gripping the crown jewels in a remake of Space Balls.

[@JainaSoloB312]

In fairness to the worst fight in the saga (TROS), they're not Pushing the blades with the Force, they're Grabbing them. So you have to apply effort to break free, you can't just roll off into a different cut. As for gestures, the OT wasn't quite as decisive about that as we remember: in ESB Vader throws a bunch of stuff at Luke without moving, and in RotJ Luke levitates C-3PO, though it's notable he closes his eyes to do this. Gestures just help focus your intent, you can use the Force without them, it's just much harder. Like wandless magic in some franchises. Still, we shouldn't expect to see Telekinesis during a duel without gestures (unless there's a massive disparity in power between combatants), since your focus needs to be on the blades in a duel. And that is ultimately the reason we don't see tricks like this in duels, they require taking your focus off the lightsabers in order to make precise Force attacks. A simple Force Push on the other hand doesn't require much precision, so it's easier to conjure mid-duel. It's also my belief that attacks in the Force are easier to sense coming, as you'd feel the Force around you being manipulated by another's will. There isn't an ever-present Force Shield passively protecting you from Force attacks, it's an active defense you need to shift your focus to use, like a real Shield but more mentally taxing. Finally, as far as looking cool and being fun, you're absolutely right, that is what matters in SW; whether an idea makes the story better or worse. Personally I love the idea that every duel is fought in 2 arenas, Lightsabers and the Force, and each have known moves and counterplays and feints. I think there's a lot of potential in that, and so have many SW authors over the years despite the films doing very little with it. Hopefully we get more choreography like The Acolyte (which I can tell you liked because you haven't talked about it :P) with both historical fencing techniques And choreography that conveys character and themes through the bladework itself. Not just the moments between fighting (looking at you TROS), but the fight itself actually tells the story. I'd love to see some of these tactics of yours used on screen, especially the hand parry!

[@Subutai_Khan]

As far as gestureless telekinesis use I got the impression that it was a Dark side exclusive trick too and I recall reading that somewhere. Basically a result of focused rage which Vader was a master at. Even when he looks calm he is very often using his anger, he is just using it in a very concentrated way. If you recall those times where you get so angry that you just go quiet that's basically what Vader is doing often times when fighting. It actually does make sense that it would be more difficult because we as humans even do gestures when we are talking or trying to communicate with someone even subconsciously. It is not very intuitive to just focus on something and try to get it to move by contrast. Even in Revenge of the Sith I feel like they kinda hinted at the fact that Darth Sideous was a bit ahead of Yoda when it came to throwing objects and I don't think we have seen Yoda use gestureless telekinesis the way Vader did which was described as launching objects as fast as missiles in literature. In Episode 5 it was also a really nice way of showing us A: what the dark side can do and B: How far Luke still has to go.

[@CassidyAndNoelle]

You should help out the next Star Wars projects with the lightsaber fights. People that know a bit about sword play would more than appreciate it. Love what you and your team does.

[@azartarin143]

I have a feeling like if this guy was in Star Wars every lightsaber duelist would hate or fear this man Lol

[@jackreese568]

Force tickle, game over

[@charleshill1906]

1) My dirty trick is just having a 2nd saber hidden in my robe, being mid fight (or really at any time they wouldn't expect it), and then using the force to pull the saber out, switch it on, and go for an undefended position on a surprise attack. If it misses, then I have a 2nd saber in play and they don't. Basically an improvised throw from the opponents blind spot with a saber they didn't know could be in play. 2) My other dirty trick is swapping out an arm with a prosthetic that hides a saber inside. This can be done with a telescoping mount in the forearm that allows the saber to be deployed quickly either on a thrust through the palm, or on a cut as it arcs around from the outside, inwards. Something like this can be done quickly and if done right, most people wouldn't even know what's happening until it's too late. This one really only works as a sneak attack if the light saber can turn on and off very quickly. Otherwise I'm deploying a 2nd sword that is unknown as a sneak attack. 3) Mind trick to make a lightsaber look like sand or some other innocuous object after prompting the enemy multiple times with false positives. This would lure them into a false sense of security and could be done within a cluster of items thrown. In the event of a force parry I could no activate my trap card, let the parry occur and then deploy the saber remotely again, like in trick number one above. 4) There are saber-spears, I always though it would be cool that if you can have a staff length handle and then a sword length blade, why not go full anime with it and make a Banryu from InuYasha. You could fight with the weapon being a typical spear, then maybe have a burnout mode which increases the blade size and length. You keep everything below normal hilt length so in the event that it gets trashed you still have a sword. If you can have multiple emitters on a saber-spear, then make a trident as well which would give more options for disarming. 5) Staff saber wielded with a hidden emitter. Only a slightly longer handle and unless you have a trained eye, looks like any other light saber handle.

[@Smeath14]

5:13 On the subject of the Era of Darth Bane, there were instances at that time in which Jedi took a... not necessarily dirty approach to dueling with their opponents, but more of a utilitarian approach. The circumstances of the New Sith Wars and the necessity of the existence of Jedi Lords, to me, implies that it kinda informed their tactics at the time. Lord Hoth, for example, performed a feat quite similar to the ideas presented about controlling an opponent's body to gain an advantageous position or eliminate an opponent outright (at the Battle of Ruusan if memory serves). However, the manner in which he did so was quite different. While holding down a duel with a small number of other Sith he, without turning to face them or performing any gestures, proceeded to: detect an attacker coming at him from behind, recognize their precarious positioning on the battlefield, reach out and penetrate their force defenses, and then paralyze them with a stasis field long enough for a wild strike from one of the Sith's own allies cut them down without Hoth having to divert his attention from his other opponents. If the then-Jedi Battlemaster himself was performing feats like this, I can't see force users of lesser martial skill or greater force talent NOT performing other, equally clever tricks. All this to say, it doesn't really feel like there are many "dirty tricks" in a Lightsaber Duel specifically. Just whatever gets you out alive and your opponent defeated, provided you're not tapping into the opposing side of the force in the process. And even then, in the case of some characters like Revan, Meetra Surik, or other force users who like to toe the line, it's really all about what you can do rather than how you do it.

[@sbatou87]

With the body manipulation/stumble, you don't have to use the force on the body. You can make the ground beneath their feet move slightly. You could turn the ground into one with different traction. If it's a metal floor, make them step on sharp objects (think makibishi). Over water? Create haze or fog. On ice? Create piercing spikes. Have force healing? Over-do it, like Kyoshi did to Yun.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

Just a reminder that in Jedi Survivor, a certain boss used Force Pull on Cere Junda while in a duel with her. If he can yank her from one part of the room to another, he could totally just grab only her legs/feet for the same moves described here.

[@mikbdee2186]

There is a lightsaber style that does stuff like this in lore. It was called Niman or Form 5. It supposedly used lots of force powers like pushes and pulls. When Jedi use it it is typically not that aggressive but some notable Sith mained it also.

[@Onebie]

This probably works only against another force user, if they either do not see it coming, or are just weaker in general in the force. Using this against a Jedi Master, they might have somewhat of a resistance against such moves? Well, i am not too deep into the Star Wars lore to actually know this. Maybe someone who is might answer this?

[@zegreznidi2922]

Yup, as a Star Wars nerd, those with a connection to the Force have something called a Force Shield, depending on their mental strength, Force power, and gifted abilities, other users may have a harder time getting past this Force Shield, which is why Siths can't Force Choke all their Jedi opponents in a duel which would be much safer and easier from a distance, So, in short, yes, the opportunity to perform these tricks mentioned in the video may not necessarily pop up often in the canon of Star Wars, but if the opponent does indeed get past their opponent's Force Shield, the things listed in this video would be listed among the most efficient when it comes to ways to quickly end a duel, A thank you, my a good sir, have a lovely day

[@joshuascott3428]

Technically in old book they did have force bariers around them

[@MyFriendsAreElectric]

The lore is absurd BS. Even when it was much more simple fantasy, as Harrison Ford said about a continuity concern: "Hey, kid. It ain't that kind of a movie. If people are looking at your hair, we're all in big trouble"

[@GodOfWar221]

Honor means nothing to the dead. Never has a more true statement been made. You can fight as pretty and proper as you want. Doesn’t matter if you’re dead.

[@heck3143]

Its crazy how wuickly and naturally you guys respond to each others movements. I know you dont have The Force, but it sure fucking looked like it lol

[@Blizzardholocron]

“Ha, you flinched!” The types of attacks my guy was throwing at me: basically everything in this video. But the dirtiest trick that a Sith ever pulled off was: when Anakin was on a date, Padmè touched his leg, his hip. Palpatine saw from a far, and was thinking devious… he used the force to stroke his midsection. made it look like Anakin came at a woman’s touch. He used his powers… to stroke his shit! (insert vine boom)

[@RainSantos666]

This is the best form 6 video I have ever seen

[@JohnNathanShopper]

Using the Force without the hand wave is canon because Luke made C-3PO levitate without the hand wave. Yes I have no life.

[@seanheath4492]

So you're saying they can hand wave the hand wave? 😛

[@JainaSoloB312]

And Vader in ESB throwing stuff at Luke with barely any movement Tbh the OT has more gestureless Force use than most newer SW stories, it wasn't until the Prequels that gestures to focus became broadly mandatory, imo

[@JohnNathanShopper]

@@JainaSoloB312 Yeah. I wonder if it’s a Skywalker perk between Luke and Vader.

[@charleshill1906]

@@JainaSoloB312 We can explain those away because Vader and Luke are unique. Nobody else really does that at all that I recall.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

That's when you use the ultimate Force technique: Grab, Twist, and Pull.

[@Unit-3D]

You covered a lot of telekinetic tricks, but I think telepathic tricks might be worth consideration. For example, bludgeoning your opponent's mind with a memory of a very loud noise or a particularly cursed image. Or just telepathically shouting "BOOGABOOGABOOGA!" at them from inside their head while they're in the middle of a complex action. Basically, jump-scare them. Though it might be easier to accomplish the same thing, with a bit of a concussive bonus, by using telekinesis to manipulate and amplify the sound wave produced by, say, snapping one's fingers, or stomping one's foot. Or just manipulating the air to create and then immediately burst a vacuum bubble in close proximity to your opponent's ears. If the force can canonically be used to light fires via molecular vibration, and to generate and manipulate electrical currents, this improvised sonic grenade should be within the realm of possibility. Returning to telepathy, however, it might also be possible to use droning and/or repetitive mental "noise" (I say noise, but any such thoughts would likely do) to drown out and counter-attack against enemies who are themselves telepathic. Through sheer volume and insistence, make your voice the only voice. Make its rhythm and cadence the only rhythm and cadence. Broadcast your thoughts such that it is less a duel and more a beat which your opponent follows, ceding initiative in favor of anticipating and countering your moves. Until you lie to them. Until you intentionally break the rhythm, moving in a way which they haven't anticipated, and attacking in a manner against which they weren't prepared to defend. This is pretty much just normal opponent response conditioning, but psychically amplified in a way that might make it even more effective against enemy psychics. You could also combine these two principles, in a sense, by continuously telepathically broadcasting something especially obnoxious or annoying. Imagine rocking up to a space-wizard duel, and your opponent is mentally Rick-rolling you so loudly that you can't even read their mind. Not only that, but their connection is so open that you have to consciously shut out that aspect of their presence like it's an intrusive thought.

[@ghillie_guys7808]

Force pinching some guys brain stem

[@MrHeadphones64]

Pulling the hood over his head makes me think of hocky players pulling the other guys jersey over their head

[@jatsantsa]

Force pull object from their back to hit them from blind spot. If I can not manipulate legs like you showed, well I can make them force slip by moving oil under feet. Add force push/pull to you force hand parry from rapier technique so they have even more problems.

[@christopherwhite1915]

The main issue I see is the force requires a certain amount of concentration to use and typically during a battle splitting your focus to do something like that will more likely end up badly.

[@excaliburplays924]

Neither the jedi or the sith would do this. The jedi call it dishonorable, The sith call it cowardice. All things considered, you cannot argue with results.

[@Echo-gb2vx]

To be fair, sith are cowards and hypocrites (and Jedi are too but that’s besides the point), so

[@slayeroffurries1115]

​@@Echo-gb2vx yup. Both Jedi and Sith are stupid

[@SellswordArts]

"Honor is a fool's prize, glory means nothing to the dead." Darth bane and Darth Revan The sith absolutely would do this 😁

[@ethanhunt8632]

​@@SellswordArts I have never understood the explanation of "sith are too yada yada for cheap tricks" The simplest reason that was used for so long that made much more sense to me was that it was risky to spend concentration to pull off a force ability in the middle of fight against another force user with abilities comparable to yours

[@jordanyoung6604]

I think the implication is that that doesnt work on other force users because they can couteract your influence, except for pocket sand, pocket sand is most definitely a needed standard sith move

[@jordanyoung6604]

Huge personal l, I commented half way through, I'm an dumb I embrace this

[@christophercook4819]

These ideas are awesome and bring an interesting flavor to lightsaber combat. I think a fun dirty trick would be in the event of a bind channel lightning through my saber to my opponent’s and essentially scorch them from the inside out through the handle of their saber complex probably but it wouldn’t be expected. Or for a more comedic one just make their pants drop to the ground 🤣

[@williamfeliciano8980]

This is some real fantasy fighting skills!! 👏

[@aizenuchiha4998]

Just one problem with the blinding dirty trick is that Jedi are tought to not fight with their eyes but to fight by feeling the force still allowing them to fight this is shown by even younglings blocking toned down blaster bolts with the eye shield blinding them and by Luke doing the same training

[@JoshuaB-wu8pk]

Some of these wouldn’t work because in the Darth Bane book series it says that all Sith and Jedi are trained to use a Force shield during combat that is supposed to negate enemy attacks. Often times the Force shield can be broken by using extreme amounts of Force energy.

[@SellswordArts]

We all about that in the video

[@JoshuaB-wu8pk]

I’m glad you replied to me. I’ve never had a KZbinr reply to a comment. I’m sorry for assuming you didn’t know. I didn’t watch the whole video because I didn’t get enough time to watch. I’ll be sure to watch it when I get a chance. Also a question: If Starkiller (the force unleashed 1) and Starkiller (the force unleashed 2) got in a fight who do you think would win?

[@JoshuaB-wu8pk]

Did you know Kreia was able to wield three lightsabers telekinetically for combat? She actually did it after getting her remaining hand cut off by the Jedi Exile in KOTOR II. (I’m not entirely sure how many of the games or books you guys have read but I figured I might mention this)

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Imagine a Jedi using Force Telekinesis to make the brain rattle since that’s not lethal lol

[@neonpurplechimera7166]

While I imagine pinning the foot wouldn't work, what you could do is use rend to block where the foot is going to get a similar effect. Alternatively, you could simply phase through your enemy and attack from behind

[@sharpshades]

Force untie and retie their shoes together

[@JustMarq]

I'd like to see the force punch and kick implemented in a fight scene, but we've never seen such a thing. Like maybe the combatants lost or damaged their lightsabers and did hand to hand combat.

[@supersam5802]

seriously though force launch a handfull of iron ball bearings is the ultimate sith move for killing jedi, they either have the force to stop it or its bullets, if they block with their lightsaber thats likely to just make red hot shrapnel

[@scotyarborough4403]

I was literally thinking the same thing. also mandolorians are supposed to have been taught how to fight Jedi or other force users you would think they would use a lot more kinetic weaponry or at least the odds sonic pistol.

[@BrenGamerYT]

*turns on your lightsaber while it’s on your belt*

[@MarcHoward-v4p]

I think stopping their hand from moving and using the force is a viable tactic, but would stop anything in this video. also having two people using a lightsaber with one hand while the other is pinned behind their back like their doing saber would be a cool fight.

[@andreww2208]

force tickle the opponent.

[@theguy1111]

I'm guessing when a force user is in battle, they can very easily prevent themself from being manipulated, so people can't do this. I can visualize this pretty easily, so thats probably what is going on. This would also explain why they can't just force choke their opponents mid battle

[@blubgoesblub]

Force users could also go full Avatar on their foes, if they have enough control

[@shml5093]

I hate the idea of "jedi dont use dirty stuff" in canon, its clearly a cop out to excuse ignoring moves that the fandom found that they didnt use in the movies, its a fight to the death there's no real "dirty moves" unless you do something that is clearly immoral (not a criticsm on the video it is very good

[@richardriley5074]

Force push can block all of those types of attack's ur Rong with how they stop a lite saber swing from incoming there using force grab to stop the lite saber blade from hitting them so u can't just swing around there hand and plus the force push is like a water Canon have u ever tried holding onto a sword while someone sprays you with a fire truck hose ur not going to hold onto it

[@GeraldIstar]

Force choke. But for balls (if any).

[@Densoro]

Space wizard casts TESTICULAR TORSION

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

That's more something Dark Helmet would do.

[@ericfranklin4977]

Force control the opponents shoes😅😅

[@alexrobinet7576]

Sarlac sweep, do a shitty dragon tail sweep and pull them into it. Its a move used in book and movie.

[@greggersonny]

force put-your-fingers-up-their-nose and make them sneeze all fight and be unable to focus

[@elli0142]

dude. force dementia. or force self-stab (filler character drama). or, as its shown in the movies, force blaster bolt redirection, because there are more clones, stormtroopers, first order stormtroopers, etc. then jedi or sith.

[@floki479]

Id personally use force fart

[@BananaBreadus]

This won't work all the time cus apparate there is a force barrier which only Force users have and you can only use force attacks against them when the barrier opens

[@ericthompson3982]

People tend to have this conception that sword fighting is supposed to be honorable and honest. I humbly beg to differ. I teach my students that everything you do in a sword fight should be a lie.

[@XathexX]

To defend the poor helpless Jedi. They would be taught you quell force techniques directed at them & they train to see using the force. In my head cannon A trained Jedi battling a Sith would have sphere of influence as a protective measure The jedi would be sensitive to these manipulations. As I understand it "The Force" is not a power one processes but rather a field that can be manipulated. This explains why it is used to through objects and/or more broad attacks that originate outside of the Jedi's influence. There is even some evidence of this in Revenge of the Sith. Anakin and Obi-won clash with a force push during the battle neither is able to win that clash.

[@robertstuckey6407]

The lore "explanations" for why lightsaber fights dont always resort to using the force on your opponent dont apply to the environment. Maybe if you cant push the foot, you push a rock into the foot.

[@overknightacention39]

One word: Trakata

[@gamereaper193]

Earthbending master vs Jedi pleez

[@roze_assazin5289]

the sowrds man in me loves this, the starwars nerd has to shoot you down. the reason small scale attacks don't perce the natural concentration of a force user is one reason. its to weak. these barriers must be overcome by sheer force. that's why force attacks are never subtle unless facing a far inferior opponent. still love it though will keep it in mind for my own fiction. also plenty of evidence to back up force barriers having to be overwhelmed by overwhelming force as its almost the only way there every broken. yoda shoving plaptine, doku shoving anakain and obiwan, palptine shoving maul and press, etc. most times I've none of these barriers being broken it was by overwhelming force. meaning that even if one wanted to be precise with such power. it would be more like crushing someones foot rather than just pinning it. breaking there legs instead of moving it. the only exception being cases like vadar versus that one inqustor who hadn't even finished her jedi training. where one member of the duel is far far more powerful in the force than the other. anaywas still love it.

[@scotyarborough4403]

force low blow ouch😢

[@joshuascott3428]

BUt those cobra kai sith absoulutely would sweep the leg

[@thelivingbrick56]

Jedi, sith, Who cares! Results are the only thing that matters 😈

[@540VarialHunter]

These tricks would only work on Padawans abs less experienced Knights. Also Younglings, but who would target them? Right?

[@gustavakerman2566]

Cut the neural connection from the brain to the spinal cord. Game over bro, game over

[@ДмитрийТарасов-м6ъ]

I want to see you in moovi

[@remix2822]

These are all very interesting tricks, but the execution in an actual fight between a Sith and a Jedi is questionable. There are all these force barriers protecting force users. What I'm really curious about is why telekinesis is used so limited in combat. Throwing a whole bunch of sand in the enemy's face. Throw a couple dozen small rocks. Hold on, wait a minute. Were there any Sith or Jedi who used the Force like Gilgamesh from Fate? We've seen the lightsaber throwing technique more than once. So why not carry around a bag full of lightsabers and telekinetically throw them when needed? What can an opponent do in a fight when someone lunges and several lightsabers are flying from different directions?

[@SellswordArts]

We talk about the force barriers in the video, and we talk about why you wouldn't have a bunch of lightsabers and just throw them.

[@BananaBreadus]

This will only work of Sith apprentice beginers or Jedi padwans

[@nirob2282]

So stop, I remember that both the Jedi and the Sith use some kind of force shield that doesn't allow you to just take and pull your leg, right?

[@SellswordArts]

Watch the full video

[@nirob2282]

@@SellswordArts oh, ok, sorry, maybe i missed it somehow, english is not my native language

[@StuartLynx]

For fucks sake just hire them already

[@ProtoBoobs]

ay this is exactly what I wanted thanks!