Tesla FSD Update 12.5.6 Downtown - Discussing Robotaxi

[@DirtyTesla]

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[@33butterzucker33]

GRIP in Germany conducted a comparative test of pedestrian emergency braking systems for Mercedes, Tesla, and BYD vehicles. Here's a summary of the results in English: 1. Test Scenarios: - Static pedestrian on the road - Pedestrian crossing suddenly from behind an obstacle - Rainy conditions with reduced visibility 2. Results: - Tesla Model 3 (USA): 7.5 out of 9 points - BYD Seal (China): 5.5 out of 9 points - Mercedes EQB (Germany): 3.5 out of 9 points 3. Performance breakdown: - Static pedestrian test: All three vehicles performed well, scoring full points. - Crossing pedestrian test: * Tesla performed best, with consistent braking * BYD had mixed results, sometimes braking effectively * Mercedes struggled, often failing to brake in time - Rainy conditions test: * Tesla performed surprisingly well, even with camera-only system * BYD failed to detect the pedestrian in all attempts * Mercedes also failed to detect or brake for the pedestrian 4. Key takeaways: - Tesla's camera-based system outperformed the competition, even in challenging conditions. - BYD showed promise but struggled in adverse weather. - Mercedes unexpectedly performed poorly, especially in the more challenging scenarios. The test highlighted the importance of these systems in potentially saving lives, as approximately one pedestrian dies daily in traffic accidents in Germany. However, it also emphasized that drivers should remain vigilant, as these systems are not always reliable. Citations: [1] kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3Wzfmlpqapnhrc

[@Idiomatick]

It also probably matters what version of tesla they had as well. Teslas improve. I also don't think autobrake is the same stack as fsd so it might be quite a bit older.

[@DirtyTesla]

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[@Andy_B.]

toll dicker, danke...

[@avgjoe5969]

Nice to see a comparison of general use (vs geo fenced) automated driving. BYD is further along than I thought. Very good to know this.

[@ajaylal5892]

You won't see Dan O'Dowd post something like this

[@livinginmatrix]

Only time it will truly be unsupervised is when Tesla, not us, will be liable for any accidents caused by FSD.

[@barkleykern3856]

How do you think that will affect the price of FSD? If Tesla is liable might FSD become significantly more expensive? Tesla would have to insure against accidents. Would owners then not be required to have auto insurance?

[@jochem1986]

Shouldn't be a problem, but at that point Tesla will require you to take only them as your insurance provider.

[@livinginmatrix]

@@barkleykern3856 All good questions and I’m assuming Tesla has an army of legal minds working on how to protect the company once “unsupervised” version is launched. I think at that point Tesla might ask us to sign a waiver before the software is updated to unsupervised. In that case, it will still be supervised, for me, because I will still have to keep an eye on it the same way I do now.

[@barkleykern3856]

@@livinginmatrix Thanks for the response. I bet you're right about the legal team working on this one. A truly unsupervised FSD makes your car a chauffeur service, which adds a significant amount of value. I was getting some raised eyebrows when I bought FSD for our 24M3, but if they crack full autonomy (we live in CA) before the end of '25 and the subscription price jumps significantly, I might just have the last laugh.

[@didier_777]

​@@barkleykern3856 I think while using the car as part of the robotaxi fleet, Tesla will definitely have to insure and cover damages. While you are driving on your own you're responsible for insurance, while you are driving your own car using FSD ??? Maybe you pay for insurance but it's an FSD rate. I've always said that adoption of FSD will be driven by insurance prices. Tesla is going to insure cars using FSD and it's going to keep getting cheaper as FSD gets better. I can see in the future insurance being $50 a month or less if you have FSD and use it all the time. Meanwhile I'm paying $360 a month for one car.

[@thefilmpoets]

FSD is great. And then sometimes it just farts out. 4-way stops, merge road cones, police officer directing traffic for school zones - it just can’t handle it. How people think they can sleep while this thing drives seems silly at the moment.

[@williambricker812]

I agree with you. The system is VERY impressive. I used it today to drive me an hour and 45 minutes home from Philadelphia to Reading, PA. No needs to take over, it changed lanes at all the right times, if someone was approaching from behind it moved out of the way to allow people to pass. In the city of Philadelphia it navigated the roads flawlessly. But as great as the system is, I also believe that we are a long way from Robotaxi and unsupervised driving. Especially when the car can’t see the roads due to weather or sun glare. What I do want to know, how do you get the car to drive without having to keep your hand on the steering wheel? I am always getting the blue flashing warning even when I am holding the wheel. As for NHSD doing an investigation on Tesla FSD, I think there is more to the story that isn’t being told. Even in your video, it handles things well that a “Human” driver would have missed due to blind spots and things of that nature. I have a hard time believing that the car hit someone in FSD. And if the car was in FSD, Tesla should be able to confirm that. I believe people are using FSD for their own failures to be responsible drivers. Videos like this, prove that. Nice job on your video. Thank you!

[@BigBen621]

_What I do want to know, how do you get the car to drive without having to keep your hand on the steering wheel?_ You're probably still on v12.3.6. The hands-free driving only comes with v12.5.4.1 or later. And it's *awesome!*

[@xreed8]

You first got pushed the older 12.3.x version, wait a day or two and you’ll get another software update pushed to you that will upgrade your fsd to 12.5.x which removes steering wheel nag.

[@mikealthoff8007]

I agree FSD is way far off from sleeping in the back seat. My experience is based on the last 30 days free we all got. I just received another 30 day free email from Tesla today!!! I'm hopeful there are some good improvements.

[@newberry940051]

Chris: “we’re just so far away from me being able to not pay attention” Also Chris: “I didn’t even have to pay attention this entire drive” 😂

[@DirtyTesla]

😂😂 u know what I mean

[@AntoineThisdale]

Do you remember when we had to nagg the wheel every 30 seconds? I was on a random errant ride earlier this week and this thought occured to me... hehe fun times.

[@catbert7]

Everytime someone says this it tells me they shouldn't be using FSD. I don't notice the difference, because my hand is still on the wheel. You should have your hands on the wheel regardless, because reaction time is critical. Tesla should not have removed the nag.

[@BigBen621]

​@@catbert7 _You should have your hands on the wheel regardless, because reaction time is critical._ Actually, NHTSA recommends *not* keeping your hands on the wheel. They found that frequently the torque on the wheel led to unintended disengagement, for example if your grip is slightly too tight and the wheel starts to turn; leaving you with TACC still engaged but not lane centering, which caused a number of accidents. There were no instances of an accident occurring because the driver *didn't* have their hands on the wheel.

[@AntoineThisdale]

@@catbert7 you are not a user.

[@computertutorials1286]

It's something how crazy it seems how that the nag is gone. At one point nobody gave it a second thought.

[@wrefk]

​@@catbert7drivers like you are the most unsafe on the road. Keep clear!

[@laser3003]

I think we need a new column for errors because I wouldn't call that disengagement....

[@hsiaohu2959]

I agree that we probably won't have complete autonomous unsupervised FSD next year but even if it alerts us to take over when it needs help, it would still be another step forward, so that when I drive home at night from the airport after vacation if I doze off for a second or two, it will keep me and my family and other cars on the road safe and I also don't get a strike out

[@DirtyTesla]

Oh I'll take that all day, it would be a huge step forward.

[@georgepelton5645]

That would be great, and fits the definition of Level 3 autonomy perfectly. Still need to be prepared to take over when prompted, so no sleeping.

[@badtoro]

Next year? um you're drinking the kool-aid too much.

[@diamondsegment1550]

You need to use FsD more! I challenge you to do 150 miles a day. EVERYWHERE where you live. I so can’t wait for 1 disengagement per 10,000 miles

[@dialy1]

I am on HW3 with v12.5.4.1 (model S Plaid) and, in the LA area, I never get any critical disengagement. The only disengagements I get come from planning mistakes which, after rerouting, would still allow the car to get to its destination if I did not disengage. I think, in my area, that it’s pretty much solved. With the addition of reverse and park, it will pretty much be robotaxi ready around here. V13 might be it. By the way, Waymo is operating here and they are not perfect. They just count disengagements (which are hidden by the absence of a driver) much more leniently.

[@DirtyTesla]

Yeah, I posted our waymo drive and it works very well despite a single hard brake.

[@catbert7]

You're living in daddy's wonderland ;p It's super overfit to CA. Here in WA (and many other places), almost negligible progress in the last 2 years... 12.5.4 still critically failing roundabouts, speed bumps, reduced-speed zones (construction, school, etc), navigation (misses the lane-change into the roundabout that is the only way to reach my work), lane-changing for construction, stop signs, cross-traffic, debris in road, freaking out and surrendering control... Not to mention still can't reverse, pull over for emergency vehicles, recognize hand signals, etc. We are abandoned... I'm honestly not convinced yet that they even can get it to robotaxi level everywhere without splitting it into region-specific branches, because what they've been doing sure as hell hasn't been working as a general solution.

[@wqlff2692]

@@catbert7 could you post an uncut video pls?

[@aec258]

I live in Northbay, I was in LA for WeRobot as well and it works way better in LA compared where I live.

[@dialy1]

@@catbert7I believe you, that is why I repeatedly mention the area, LA (“daddy’s wonderland” sounds better) that my car drives in. I’m not sure when true FSD will be available everywhere…maybe not in my lifetime…but if it covers the main US agglomerations, it will already be commercially profitable.

[@superbigblack]

I'm loving the Summon feature used it twice and everyone is looking at the car confused.

[@marc0443]

FSD V13 may be so much better that you will begin to see Autonomy at the end of the tunnel. Another Great video! Thank you!

[@tommornini2470]

Highly likely correct. 👍🏻

[@catbert7]

Some places... Where I live? Tesla has nearly abandoned us =(

[@tommornini2470]

@@catbert7 Where do you live?

[@kidamere2408]

@@catbert7 sounds rough out there, iraq?

[@LuKiSCraft]

I hope but realistically FSD probably won't be robotaxi ready until v17 or v18 lol. Still, it WILL happen. But not this year and not next.

[@tonycatsup2175]

Thanks. I'm looking forward to extreme winter weather drives and more emergency vehicle interactions!

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

I don’t look forward to drives during extreme weather - in any car…

[@WilsonElias]

This week my model y pulled to the side for the ambulance 12.5.4.1

[@alphadelta87]

The "Expanded Visualization" is when you activate FSD and it fullscreens it for you without dragging it over manually. See 3:36 for example. And I'm realizing you mentioned that right after 😂 typed my comment before watching the rest. I still love the video! 😅

[@brianp8384]

Thanks Chris. I agree that when you look back at how far we have progressed, it seems like unsupervised should be just around the corner but when you look ahead, the gap between where we are and perfection still feels pretty far. The only thing I can think is if V13 is truly a clear step change from V12, maybe we are closer than we think.

[@JonathanRootD]

The problem is we need multiple step changes. And we just aren't seeing many.

[@StefanoFinocchiaro]

I would not count using the wrong lane as a disengagement, those are things that happens all the times even to humans and often happens for bad or occluded signage. As long it's safely handled I would call them "traffic law infringements" or "potential tickets". Because if you think about it humans infringe them all the time and they don't loose the driving licence for this but they may only get a ticket some time

[@jimbobaggins1829]

12.5.4.1 drives so good for me it’s insane. Essentially the only everyday driving complaint I have is the acceleration and speeding. It’s so excessive Once that gets fixed my biggest concern tbh will be staying focused

[@deant007]

Nice job Chris! Have a great week. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@jimbobaggins1829]

In terms of unsupervised next year I don’t see it happening either. Just today mine almost ran a stop sign. Did not slow at all prior to my disengaging I think it failed to recognize the stop sign bc the city put two red flags on top construction-style. So I guess to FSD that’s different enough to not qualify as a stop sign. It seems FSD cannot generalize. I’m pessimistic about what that implies for the long tail of weird road stuff

[@MikeSmith-lx9jg]

I'm in Houston Texas 2022 model 3 and Wow I can not believe my 27k dollar car can drive itself. Put in a location and the car drives itself.

[@bear4278]

11:20 Don’t worry! I’m here for your rambling 😊

[@bluetoad2668]

I'm in Europe so although I have FSD it doesn't work on my car yet. My only experience of FSD is via the KZbin videos and yours seem to be some of the best. Your skepticism is appreciated, I want always temper my expectations.

[@devo237]

Great video Chris! I enjoy your banter on all your videos.

[@thisflyingpotato4227]

FSD at 5:59 : alright that's a bus. FSD at 6:01 : and this is definitely a car !

[@Windows98R]

then theres the occasional pickup truck turned semi break dancing at a intersection according to my FSD

[@thisflyingpotato4227]

@@Windows98R 🤣

[@silent_spitfire]

*Running 12.5.4.1 in a 2024 MYP* I'm super impressed with FSD in general. This is my first Tesla, coming from Honda/Acura products and having worked in car rental early in my professional career, I'll say it's not the most luxurious driving experience, but my main gripe with most vehicles I've driven is that the technology lacks hard. Tesla is killing it in the technology space, and I love the fact that over the course of ownership I'll get OTA updates that help keep the car 'fresh and fun'. I do miss ventilated seats and think the build quality has a lot of room for improvement, but I'm loving the car so far!

[@yngg2947]

wow, glad to see my school streets and surrounding area in your video, miss it so much! ❤

[@ryangerrity2851]

I got 12.5.4.1 recently and it sucks, hopefully will get this version or a newer polished v13 soon

[@trotmanCE]

@@ryangerrity2851 if you are a HW3 Tesla, absolutely.

[@khuo0219]

It is worse than 12.5.4. But hopefully 12.5.6 soon for us hw3 owners

[@genelane2243]

It never ceases to amaze me how different the experiences are for people on FSD. I'm very happy with FSD except for a few little things, like lack of recognition for emergency vehicles and stopping on marked pavement at "Do Not Block" zones.

[@BitJam]

Same. At an intersection near my house IT DOES NOT CHECK for oncoming traffic. The only safe thing to do is disengage FSD before the intersection. 12.5.4 had the same problem.

[@Blade70]

Had the opposite experience on my hardware 3 Model Y. Finally slow down for split speed bumps.

[@salado53]

Feels like you brought some extra stuff from California

[@Tokyo_1031]

The expanded visualization shows what car sees at an intersection at least that’s the difference I noticed and also more lanes of the highway instead of the standard 3

[@ZEVAGLOBAL]

Really enjoying the content! Keep it up!

[@adamveenendaal4159]

9:56 - If you watch the other direction lights, you have a pretty good idea when the light will change.

[@beanis8624]

Both accidents I have been in were caused because I took off too fast on a green light and someone ran the red and t-boned me. So I appreciate the hesitation on a green. But it should probably be an adjustment setting.

[@DirtyTesla]

Yep, I'm all good with a ~2 second delay. 4 seconds felt just a tad too long

[@pooroldpedro]

Yeah, fsd isn't perfect but I feel it's safer than most drivers already.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Humans are terrible drivets! So glad I ain’t human💕

[@Ussimonw]

Waymo doesn’t take you to a packing lot.

[@cafl9844]

Let's wait for FSD winter performance. Last i saw on slippery roads was tertible but it can't be Robo Taxi if it can't handele winter conditions!

[@alanvonweltin6820]

it looks great in what is basically a suburban environment with just a few "city like" challenges. Let's see it tackle the mean streets of Philly where you have no lines, massive potholes, construction, random speed bumps, rough road, cars parked illegally blocking a clear view when turning, super narrow streets, cars parked in the middle of road (its a Philly thing), etc. It's not solved until it can handle that Jawn...and then do it again in bad weather.

[@BillBadMule123]

I Love Your Videos Thank you for posting 🥳❤💯💥💫👍👍👍

[@MrPhil1st]

Gee, I have large speed bumps as you have in your vid, but there is a stop sign before it can go over-it. It's like the stop makes FSD totally forget the bump and it crushes the accelerating pedal and the car just rips into those 2 bumps at high speed. I hope this can get fixed!

[@computertutorials1286]

Honestly I think actual level 5 is at least a decade away. Level 4, even if it's just on freeways and divided highways, would be an insane milestone to reach. From what I've seen on videos, FSD is already capable of level 4.

[@BigBen621]

_FSD is already capable of level 4._ I've been driving around San Diego for the last couple of weeks without ever touching the wheel, with FSD driving as smoothly as a professional chauffeur. This is equivalent to Level 4 in a sense, although of course I'm still there to take over if needed, which wouldn't be the case in actual Level 4.

[@computertutorials1286]

@@BigBen621 This is what I’m talking about, Tesla doesn’t really want to geofence unsupervised FSD, but that’s the only way we’ll get it any time soon. I’m sure FSD could drive my daily commute easily without any intervention, because most of it is just straight residential roads.

[@Pedrooo317]

"12.5.6 it's him" xDDDD

[@DirtyTesla]

Maybe that should be the title 😂

[@larrysmith8426]

Versions 14 and 15 ought to be out of this world.

[@Djblaste1]

6 mins into the video ' I do not believe we are at full autonomy yet' End of video ' this is the best software. Release it'😂😂😂😂

[@TheSpartan3669]

No contradiction there.

[@MikeSmith-lx9jg]

MY 27k Tesla model 3 now drives it self. ITS FREAKING AMAZING>

[@alexandermallett1852]

I think unsupervised is difficult to bend. In cars you’re often moving fast, and if something goes wrong there is no way if you’re texting you would be able to do anything ‘useful’ in time.

[@BigBen621]

"Unsupervised" pretty much means SAE Level 4, and at Level 4 there's no expectation of a driver stepping in if the ADS fails; in fact, no expectation that there's a driver at all. Instead, the ADS is required to be able to fall back to a minimal risk condition if "something goes wrong". "[This] may entail automatically bringing the vehicle to a stop within its current travel path, or it may entail a more extensive maneuver designed to remove the vehicle from an active lane of traffic and/or to automatically return the vehicle to a dispatching facility (SAE J306-202104, Para. 3.16, Note 3).

[@alexandermallett1852]

@@BigBen621 ok, so it’s more like if it’s not happy it needs to be able to pull over, stop it’s self, and then let the human do the driving? Rather than taking over?

[@Angelboy99]

The craziest situation happened to me yesterday while on FSD 12.5.4.1, the car just stopped for no reason on green light then slowed down fast at orange light to then creep on the red light. Lucky there was a light traffic but if a cop would have been there, I would have 100% been ticketed. 12.5.6 for now but 13 ASAP per favor Señor Musk!

[@hellokitty34]

Yes 12.5.4.1 has been doing that for me and I was supposed to turn at a right turn lane it was in the lane next to it went straight and missed the turn and almost turned right from the other lane never did that in 12.3.6 but it did do a 40 min drive with disengagements. Excited for 12.3.6

[@trotmanCE]

@@hellokitty34are you guys HW3 or HW4

[@hellokitty34]

Oops mean excited for 12.5.6

[@hellokitty34]

@@trotmanCE hw3

[@trotmanCE]

@@hellokitty34 I think HW3 (which I have as well) is the one that are showing those issues and the one that @Angelboy99 described. There hopefully will be a smoothness update that they eluded to for HW3 soon. Which is the reason I question a robotaxi ready hardware 3 Tesla, but they keep saying it will happen. My car makes me a little nauseous because of the micro braking it does because of caution. 12.3.6 was smoother in that respect, but I do love the way it handles right on red now, a lot more natural….

[@scooterrosie4649]

As quickly as FSD has progressed. It won't take long to make it totally hands off. I love FSD in my Model Y.

[@catbert7]

It will take a long time to get it hands-off across the country. It's good in CA. Elsewhere, it can be really terrible.

[@MichaelTapes]

Differences between CT and MY could be because MY is on 12.5.6 and CT is on 12.5.5. CT does not yet have .6 advancements. Your videos are great!

[@EvanCalkinsVR]

Where do you put your suction mount to get the camera so low down, since the mirror is always blocking everything when I try.

[@YungAnt7]

The versions we get of FSD are not the bleeding edge of capability, very much small incremental improvements. These are Americans we’re talking about - we’re not responsible enough as a culture behind the wheels of our vehicles they definitely play it safe they definitely are confident if they have a robotaxi with no steering wheel. This is the most advanced, efficient, talented, genius automotive company the world has ever seen. I think they know what they’re doing. Other than timeline they’ve done everything they said they would - Cybertruck and semi weren’t gonna happen either, right?

[@quantuminfinity4260]

Cough Tesla roadster, cough, $50,000 pre payments and no news. How many years later? Literally no news in ages. Acting like if they just ignore it it disappears.

[@jhunt5578]

​@quantuminfinity4260 The last news Tesla gave is that it would be in 2025. But them not making the Roadster isn't because of technical difficulties, it's because it's a halo car and won't matter to their bottom line. Meanwhile Teslas sister company is catching rockets the size of a 23 story building, falling from the edge of space, with metal beams like a pair of chopsticks. Let Tesla cook.

[@davidkaplan5517]

Then where was it 7 years ago

[@quantuminfinity4260]

@@jhunt5578 Space X is very impressive but not relevant to my point at all. I’m just call out an example where Tesla has indeed not delivered on a promise at all yet. Maybe they will. But it’s not yet. Like you said, it’s not because of a technical reason. It’s purely bottom line driven. So letting them cook is also not relevant. Even so I’d argue that it’s even worse because they have the capability to do what they promised, but won’t. Even worse because they decided after they started taking money for it that it’s not great financially, so they just won’t.

[@MrGoggug]

I disagree man, they generally do these events far in advance of the actual product launch, and if they had versions on the “bleeding edge” that were actually good/safe, they would put it to the test. New versions don’t go to all Americans, the early fsd access group is probably

[@rockafeller94]

Expanded full self driving visualization, is just for when you put the car into auto pilot initially. When this is turned on the entire screen will expand when you turn on auto pilot.

[@ASense0fPurpose]

Exactly this, noticed it when I was disengaging and re-engaging FSD with the map view open, this setting will cause it to go back to full screen visualization each time FSD is activated.

[@peterwilliams1074]

I have FSD 12.5.4.1 HDW4 and I have had recurring issues with speedbumps during the daytime. 9-10 mph would be a perfect speed and there is even a sign next to the speedbumps that say 10 mph but the car wants to take them at 19-20+ , I need to disengage before the speedbump is reached. The other big issue today was stopping in the middle of the road on the way home in a residential area. This is the second time this has happened with this release and happened on the release before but never happened in 12.3.6. I will try again tomorrow on the same spot. There were other instances when I had to accelerate because of a slow down on a busy road or at a green light but this is sporadic.

[@Armstrong712]

The guy at 10 minutes was probably watching the pedestrian walk sign. It changed and then he went at the same time, and then the green light changed a couple seconds later.

[@davidwebb2337]

Love it. Rambling great. Almost better than super polished. Ramble on.

[@thebairn]

For expanded FSD visualization, you have to close the menu, and then it will go (nearly) full screen

[@joneclegg]

Great video, love the chatter!

[@Blade70]

12.5.4.1 finally slows down for split speed bumps. I can finally start from end to finish.

[@AnthonyEarl]

It's still frequently choosing the wrong lane, sometimes bus-only exits from high-speeds highways. Far from close to anything that can be left unsupervised.

[@jjjxoxoxo]

Fsd is amazing. As soon as i can get it on subscription, I will do so immediately.

[@DRVRLES]

I have v12.5.4.1 with a lot of phantom breaking. Minus that it could make it from point A to point B 99.9% of the time even though I disengage to report so the car knows it did something wrong not having a report button. I would not trust it to drive around without me behind the wheel. It does do a great job and I’m still amazed on how it does what it does. It’s doesn't have to be perfect.

[@ricardoveras3433]

It does seem like training on edge cases now makes it better without regressing in other areas. And they are finishing up adding any remaining needed features. Then they will have a decent amount of time until the end of next year with their new supercomputer to train train train on edge cases. So I’m feeling quite optimistic they could get there by the end of next year with a system quite comparable to Waymo’s effectiveness. And then they’ll be getting much more data with more robotaxis working more hours which will quickly improve even more so it’s great by the time cybercab comes out. I’m very optimistic at this point. We’ll see how quickly training improves once they’re done with all the necessary features.

[@richardetchell1583]

So the reason the speed of FSD keeps just dragging down is because every body is driving too fast basically all the time and FSD is correcting everybody else.

[@frogmandave1]

The Expanded Full Self Driving Visualization works perfectly in my 2023 MY.

[@hamzanaser5149]

Great video!

[@gregorysims3697]

Got in the car this evening and found the notification that FSD could be enabled, so I did. Checked if I was charged for it, but I wasn't. It was the same version of the free trial that ended a few months ago. Now FSD 12.5.4.1 is downloading. Not sure why I am getting another trial, but apparently I am. I have a 2023 Model X. Have you heard anything about another free trial?

[@wrefk]

Everyone got it, it was explained in the email

[@jerrybowen2869]

I expect a preliminary version of Robotaxi cautiously running version 13 in two states next year, with remote human monitoring. I agree it's doubtful us normal folk will be able to sleep while traveling for several more years. I had a couple of concerning interventions with version 12.5.4.1 yesterday. It turned right on red too late in front of oncoming traffic then froze after pulling out half a car length into the lane exposing my driver's door to an approaching Buick. It's turned left into the divided entrance of our subdivision numerous times, but yesterday it decided to turn in on the left side of the medium. I love FSD , always use it, but it hasn't slowed down for a flashing light school zone yet. I'm patient, didn't expect perfection, and these problems are annoying yet easy to avoid.

[@flyingdaytrader]

I just don't think FSD that is camera only is going to get approval for unsupervised self driving. Not only are there basic things is still doesn't do (school zones... Pull over for emergency vehicles etc) but it cannot safely drive in the rain, snow, icy conditions. Granted I'm on H3 with my Y and I'm running 12.5.4 right now, but I still have at least one if not more disengagements every drive. Just earlier it took the wrong exit off the freeway (like it took an exit more than a mile before it's actual exit, then got confused and tried to drive straight in the left hand turn lane. I had to take over to avoid a head on collision. This was at night and FSD seems to always struggle at night for me. These are not things that give me confidence to just let the car do it's thing, especially at night or in any kind of weather, the cameras just don't see that well. I don't know if H3 is the issue or if the software is the issue but I feel fine using FSD on road tips and when I'm eating in the car, otherwise... I just don't trust it enough yet

[@midgetShootingGunsAK]

Wash your dirty car and it will work fine

[@turkishhusla]

When will we get custom route planning for FSD

[@BigCVlogs]

How are you recording the screen???

[@remingtonsypro3160]

Wow that was a very impressive drive. I in a 22 Y pro HW3 I really hope the get this release out to us soon 12.5.6 I agree that would make Total sense.. Thx for sharing trip out to the robotaxi event, along with the this drive.. I'm impressed with 12.5.4.1 but it does have a few regressions in it Speed control and some late night flashing yellow stops. Your drive just looks so smooth.. let's go Tesla!! Thx 🇺🇸✌️

[@HourRomanticist]

FSD is really him

[@OverlordActual]

Saddened to see speed control still not fixed. I am looking forward to the bug fix for visualization though. Hopefully it will smooth out animations in a noticeable way even on HW3 cars like my Model 3.

[@Firdt]

No other driving assistance software can do this …….. period Tesla is miles ahead and getting more advanced at a higher rate continuously

[@chronart1]

I am concerned how FSD will deal with the sun right behind the Red Lights. I can’t even drive without closing one eye and moving a hand around to block the glare

[@ohallaron56]

Chris: Your opinion is equally as valuable as anyone elses...

[@paulmeynell8866]

Unsupervised is literally that. L4 is unsupervised in a HD mapped and geofenced area ( Weymo) . If you have to be there or listen for an alarm that is supervising!

[@BigBen621]

Waymo *is* in a precision-mapped and geofenced area, but that's not a requirement of SAE Level 4. Clearly FSD (Unsupervised), AKA SAE Level 4, will not be precision mapped; but at least initially, it *will* be geofenced to California and Texas.

[@nobrien1]

I'm still on 12.5.4 and I get the major delay at the first 4-way stop a block into the neighborhood. And then it zoom accelerates to 32 mph in a 25 mph zone where you would never want to do more than 25 due to narrowness, restricted sight around a tight curve, parked vehicles, kids playing, etc. I usually get my releases a short time after you get yours so hopefully 12.5.6 shows improvement in my area. 12.5.4 does show improvement in maintaining speed, but, in general, adherence to speed limits is so erratic around here that I am not sure if FSD will ever be able to deal with it. Once FSD is solved you can just share fun stories about your kids?

[@plixie1]

I almost canceled, then they got rid of nag. And I'm hooked.

[@JAnderson127]

What is nag?

[@BigBen621]

​@@JAnderson127 Earlier versions required you to interact with the steering wheel periodically, by putting increasingly strident messages on the screen; this was call the "nag". The latest version is completely hands-free, as long as you have the interior camera, which all models have had for several years, and the camera can see you eyes to make sure you're keeping you attention on the road ahead.

[@christaylor1083]

Excited to try 12.5.6 on my M3S AI3. So far 12.5.4.1 has been a bit of a disappointment. Very nice drive!

[@maartenvanneste]

*UN*Supervised FSD 1. With you in the driver seat only on highways. 2. With you in the driver seat off highways 3. Awake anywhere in the car on highways only 4. Awake anywhere in the car off highways 5. Sleeping on highways only 6 Sleeping also off highways.

[@DarkNemesis25]

i tend to agree with all your points, i think yes, at the current pace and limitations HW3 will definitely not be unsupervised. although FSD does some stuff now that i would have thought completely impossible ( the physiology of negotiating with pedestrians and drivers during unorthodox situations ) i think my hangup is; is it possible with the cameras and inference. if you zoom out and say.. put a human in a driving sim with all the 720p camera feeds. I think definitely its fully possible to have 1000x safer than a human robotaxi on hw3 assuming unlimited compute. the cameras at night are way better than my eyes somehow when i manually pull up the cameras. Now the questions is can they do it with this compute. and I think to myself, in 20 years when this is solve and the neural architecture is mature, can they adapt it to make their achievements and progress work on older hardware.. maybe? could be possible assuming huge advancements in AI architecture like there was with transformer networks. So .. a long way to say. i think it could be possible

[@rogershark9223]

"This is great" - During the day in perfect weather. I've found it struggles a lot more at night with complex roads / situations. Be interesting to see how current version handles snow covered roads

[@brucec954]

Any news about School zones? I live near 3 and in the middle of one where when you pull out to the main road you are in the middle of a school zone (with no sign so would have to know from maps or experience). They are photo enforced so not "optional".

[@videoreborn]

I drop off my kid to school daily. The traffic is so bad that you really don’t need a school sign to tell the car to slow down. Often I have to disengage to choose the faster lane to cut through other cars. 😅. And the FSD has set to Assertive in my 12.5.4.1. Can’t wait for this new update see if it’s improves in lane selection.

[@lashlarue59]

How did you get HW4 in a 2023 Model Y? I also have a 2023 model Y but its HW3 and its less than a year old.

[@adriasc79]

Love your videos, nevertheless, I think you should move to NY for just a few days and drive there. I wouldl love to see your videos in new environments .

[@joshuaokoro9447]

Just wondering if things would have been different if the car more sensors like Waymo does

[@johanneshaselgrubler8555]

I love your videos for the stats. Why you count a disengagement when there was no disengagement?

[@DirtyTesla]

Because I should have disengaged due to it being in the wrong lane

[@BigBen621]

@@DirtyTesla I disagree that you should count "I should have disengaged" as if you actually had. If you didn't disengage and FSD figured it out one way or another, then you didn't need to disengage in the first place.

[@dialy1]

@@BigBen621According to the nomenclature, it’s not a critical disengagement but anything that stops a less than perfectly legal move can be considered a disengagement. Personally, I focus on critical disengagements when it comes to evaluating how close we are to unsupervised FSD.

[@BigBen621]

@@dialy1 _anything that stops a less than perfectly legal move can be considered a disengagement_ There's no official "nomenclature", only a definition on an unofficial web site. And its definition is: "Turning Steering Wheel: Turning required due to crossing lane unexpectedly, accident avoidance, or other required maneuver to avoid unsafe driving. Braking: Braking required due to late deceleration, accident avoidance, or moving forward incorrectly / unsafely." In other words, if you don't actually disengage FSD, it's not a disengagement-even though perhaps there should have been an actual disengagement.

[@b4804514]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that talks to the car like it can hear me talking. I think FSD unsupervised is safer than a lot of drivers. I use FSD 80% of the time. I have not had any emergency situation so I don't know what FSD would do. Will it drive off the road to avoid an accident? Can it see the side of the road drops off? I want to see FSD actions in emergency situations.

[@BigBen621]

_I think FSD unsupervised is safer than a lot of drivers._ Far, far safer, according to statistics recently released by NHTSA.

[@rvboondocker2559]

I’m still 12.5.4.1 and haven’t had any updates in a while. I hope this comes in a day or two😢.

[@eBuddy1999]

At 17:01, the road markings on the right lane is interpreted by FSD as a small bicycle?

[@Frankillz]

Bro you should’ve kept a HW3 FSD car for comparison.

[@DirtyTesla]

I'd have loved to if I didn't need to trade in. Ya never know, maybe I can get an older HW3 car for testing at some point lol

[@Dubitz]

@@DirtyTesla that seems like a huge waste of money lol. Probably cheaper to rent one for a day every time a big release update becomes available for it and drive that around for a video.

[@longmuskox4194]

The Dublin, OH Tesla dealer has a 2021 Model 3 with 27k miles and FSD for $26.6k

[@jerryaguirre23]

Great video! What happened to "camera calibration"? I remember a time when a new version would need hours to calibrate itself to the car.

[@Agraybosch56]

Have you approached a rail crossing with the gates going down?

[@bevteslarevolution1558]

Without Human driver FSD will work already perfect the most distraction is Humans driving cars🤣😂

[@samirshah5411]

dammit, I think I need to buy the R1S now, already ordered a cyber truck, but what the hell why not this update alone is worth it!

[@SteveRowe]

Chris, you've been following FSD for years, so I trust your opinion. Because you test in Ann Arbor and Fenton, places where I drive myself, I understand the roads and the weather challenges. When you say robotaxi is still years away, it makes me sad, but I still believe. it. But I hope you're wrong.

[@mcintoshkid]

ibought FSD for my m3 hardware 3, but never could use it here in europe,

[@maartenvanneste]

Same: Should be coming Q1 25...

[@MrTechfreak95]

i really really hope that next year there will be FSD for Europe... But my guess is, when its coming then end of 2025... early 2026

[@tommornini2470]

Your patience will soon be rewarded, unless your governments get in the way.

[@MrTechfreak95]

@@tommornini2470 i really hope so. Would be soo cool to say and show family frends and coworkers. "Yeah my 5-6 year old car got an update and now it can drive itself (supervised)" But i have the suspicion that the german government will find ways to block that till the german car-manufactures can do that too.

[@tommornini2470]

@@MrTechfreak95 I feel for you. Many Americans are highly concerned that we’re following in Europe’s footsteps with respect to increasing government involvement in, essentially, everything. Free markets are under rated, despite their issues. 👍🏻

[@w-k-w6200]

Since FSD learns from human drivers, it will occasionally make similar mistakes until reported and retrained. Hopefully six to twelve more months will be enough to get 99.9999% of the bad human driver out of it.

[@JeffWusch]

How do you get that little camera icon that lets you report issue on the Cybertruck? I have to disengage in order to do a report with the Voice input key on the steering wheel.

[@BigBen621]

He's one of the OG (Original Group) of beta testers, who have special dispensations like this.

[@Firdt]

Can’t wait to get this download. Or as the media calls it. A recall ?…