What Really Happened To Aer Lingus Flight 712? (Tuskar Rock Disaster) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

[@DisasterBreakdown]

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[@birgenair301]

I liked this video, and I'm subscribed, also a sugestion, ariana 1998 afghan airlines boeing 727 crash or KAM air 904 please

[@someonee3186]

Suggestion, you can do a recreation of the Hainan island incident, where a United States air Force P-3 Orion had collided with a People's Liberation Air Force J-8II.

[@jaki8739]

@@lkszdbujhfaolifuhb it takes months for requests to be made …. Plus there’s a list try asking if it’s on the list rather than demanding it

[@VishalGauba]

The storytelling was a bit too here and there I think. A lot of jumping around

[@LemonLadyRecords]

Really great and well organized report, as usual! I like that you discuss the possibilities out there, without going conspiracy theory. RIP the victims and hope the families get closure. But, spending £ on an old accident, of a plane no longer flying, with no applicable safety improvements, is sadly unlikely. Calling all billionaires...

[@martinross5521]

I used to fly in these Aer Lingus Viscounts from Bristol to Cork and back around 1968 and 1969. One time the bar and drinks had to be removed to get down to take off weight for the then shorter runway at Bristol. I was in the back row with the stewardess across the aisle. She was gripping the armrests so tight her knuckles were white. As we went down the runway, I thought “if she’s worried, maybe I should be too”. I’m amazed that one third of Viscounts failed in one way or another. That’s the key fact from a really well produced story, thank you. Now a subscriber, as my Viscount flights didn’t take me out 53 years ago… 😱

[@Shamrock100]

Your impression about Viscount losses is incorrect. Losses were due to many factors, of which structural or design issues was only one. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Vickers_Viscount

[@bradsanders407]

I'm amazed only a 1/3 crashed.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

@@bradsanders407 also, in the days most of the viscounts operated, it was not an unusual rate of losses.... especially for remoter routes. we see some of the converted classes actually lose all of the planes in the class to accidents... planes are expensive, in a ruined post-war Europe, or the newly freed colonies, you simply flew it until it failed.

[@Classickoolcars]

Lucky……

[@davidogorman7808]

Captain made a call that he lost a propellor

[@LeeAirVideos]

I have to correct you regarding the Jindivik. It was never intended to be shot down; at a million Pounds each, that would be expensive. They were used to tow targets which we’re trailed behind the Jindivik; that is why they were painted orange and yellow to avoid being shot down. You may also note the Jindivik had a skid underneath its fuselage which allowed it to land back at its launch base and be reused. It was launched from a trailer which it detached itself from once airborne. They were indeed UAV’s and were occasionally lost.

[@Dan-oj4iq]

Lee Air: This is actually a pretty big correction. Thank you for that information.

[@scallopohare9431]

Trying not to be snarky, but military is not accustomed to budget considerations. I would rule this out based solely on the day of the week.

[@richardvernon317]

@@scallopohare9431 The Drones were not operated by the Military, but by the Royal Aircraft Establishment. All of the Operators and support staff at Llanbedr were Civilian contractors or Civil Servants. They do not work on Sundays

[@scallopohare9431]

@@richardvernon317 Well, yes, the Sunday bit is why I would rule that theory out. Not sure what info was provided about the group that shot down the drones. Military is the most likely, so that's what I went with.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@scallopohare9431 Oh they totally are. Why spend a billion to buy 20 expensive planes when it can be used to buy 50 cheaper planes. And "military quality" basically means sourced from the cheapest contractor that just fulfills the requirements.

[@sunnyfon9065]

“12,000 feet, descending, spinning rapidly.” Damn, this is the scary thing to hear from a plane as an ATC or a pilot of other aircraft. It feels like watching a horror movie.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

I couldn't even begin to imagine what that was like. Horrifying.

[@davesmith5656]

People tend to communicate too little. A bit more detail would have been helpful. That flight from Colombia to NYC that kept asking for "priority" never really shouted "Hey! We're on FUMES here! Either we get down in five minutes or we crash land in someone's back yard!" (I think it was an Avianca flight - a few video have been made about it.)

[@sarahmacintosh6449]

Fabulous video about a horrifying and thoroughly mysterious crash. Thank you!

[@RBMapleLeaf]

@@davesmith5656 Yes that Avianca Flight 52 Chloe did before. Wonder has made a more detailed video about but Chloe makes it simple getting all detail elaborated in at least 15 minutes. In fact, Avianca Flight 52 cause was due to fuel starvation but it’s disputed who were at fault. Yes the pilots not giving enough detail and ATC not being able to discern the message. The same with American 965 which Chloe has also done before except vice versa. In fact, American Airlines for their South American routes gave their pilots special training but even that wasn’t enough although it wasn’t necessary. However, it was an added warning if you know what I’m saying.

[@adotintheshark4848]

@@RBMapleLeaf a similar accident happened at Portland International in 1979. The pilots ran the plane out of fuel trying to decide if the landing gear was down or not.

[@35mmShowdown]

This one was worth the wait! Normally unsolved investigations and pre-digital flight recorder events are a bit of a let down, but you really made this really riveting! Amazing work as usual, C.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you so much for your kind comment

[@marhawkman303]

@@DisasterBreakdown Honestly? I suspect we'll never know. the idea that maybe part of the tail broke off is... plausible. It'd cause a massive loss of control, and explain how people saw something fall out of the sky. we can't prove it's the "right" explanation but it seems most likely. I do have to wonder about the breakup of the craft in general... it seems to have almost turned into confetti after hitting the water.

[@jaws848]

​@@DisasterBreakdownthank you Chloe for covering this...as someone from Dublin,Ireland and an aviation nut job i found this very intresting.👍👍👍👍

[@OscarOSullivan]

⁠@@DisasterBreakdownI think the lighthouse keepers who were manning the Tuskar rock lighthouse at the time of the crash if they are still alive would be good witnesses.

[@brotakig1531]

I've watched all your videos Chloe but this is on a whole nother level. Not because we have the answers, it's because we don't, and you go through all the possible tragic things that could have happened but ultimately it wouldn't change the fact of what happened. You should be very proud of this video.

[@mias4150]

@@BuddhaofBlackpool this is colloquial speech, and an example of a linguistic phenomenon known as tmesis, or infixing. no need to correct speech there, just look it up!

[@B3Band]

@@BuddhaofBlackpool You think you're showing everyone how smart you are by knowing that "nother" isn't a word, but in reality you're showing how stupid you are for not knowing a very basic, very standard phrase in colloquial English.

[@Belltogo3000]

Who is Chloe?

[@danielnovitadubin8272]

@@Belltogo3000 the narrator.

[@brotakig1531]

@@Belltogo3000 The lovely womans voice you are listening too.

[@richardshiggins704]

Excellent graphics . I lived in Wexford at that time and remember the incident so very well . I was 12 years old . My father , a doctor at the time had to review the few remains washed up on the beach . He never witnessed such carnage . I think it was due to horizontal stabiliser separation in flight or general structural weakness .

[@ramgopalan8625]

Never heard about this crash before Thanks for your indepth analysis

[@Aldairion]

Congratulations on your longest video yet! I really enjoyed the small cinematics and chapter breakdowns of this format. Excited to hear that an even bigger project is in the works!

[@legit.peasant]

A very mysterious accident... I hope one day the answers will be found. Thoughts and feelings go out to those families who lost loved ones that day. Exceptional presentation as always, Chloe!

[@wilsjane]

The general feeling in Cork was that a missile was involved. The suggestion by UK ATC to take a shorter route always seemed strange and something not mentioned on the video was that the flight was delayed and crossing the Irish sea later than the times given to the military. The failure of the navy to locate the wreckage also added to the theory. Even if any of this was true, there has never been a suggestion that it was anything other than an unfortunate accident.

[@Mary-wo5ln]

​@@wilsjaneThis is very important information not given in the video.

[@wilsjane]

@@Mary-wo5ln If Airbus built a car, it would have 2 steering wheels and 2 sets of pedals. You would never give your mother inlaw a ride again. Joking aside, the airbus fly by wire system as well designed, incorporating many safety measures to avoid overstressing the limits of the aircraft design. However, if the captain wants to take over, he needs to tell the other pilot to release the controls. If not, the poor computer is averaging 3 sets of commands, with fairly obvious results. The other pilot can completely take over, by holding a button down for about 10 seconds, but in an emergency, that seems like an eternity. Most airlines using Airbus, instruct the pilot monitoring to only use verbal advice to the pilot flying and only take over if the pilot flying is incapacitated. Unfortunately, the importance of this often gets missed out in training Being separate, the controls also give redundancy if one set fail for any reason, but the other pilot needs to know to hold his button down for 10 seconds. Their is a video of the time when a pilots camera slid from alongside his seat and jammed his sidestick.

[@nucIeer]

@@wilsjane Also the fact that the Jindivik was fully recovered with no signs of damage or an impact with a plane or a missile never sat right with me.

[@uzaiyaro]

Speaking of the Vickers Viscount, my grandmother was supposed to be on one that crashed in Winton, Queensland. Ansett-ANA flight 149. It was an in-flight fire that led to the structural failure of the wing. From then on she used to say “chance it with Ansett.”

[@reallynotyourbusiness1659]

1 crashed into botany bay back in the 60s as well.

[@Classickoolcars]

Shocking way to die. Poor buggers.

[@RobertMurphy-sx8lc]

We used to sat "Chance it with Ansett, or Try Another Airline (TAA)".

[@JedenSiedemDwa]

I noticed something totally extraordinary in this video - namely, in 11:52 there is another Viscount visible behind Lingus EI-AKL. This is PLL "LOT" SP-LVA, which also crashed after mid-air breakup overy Jeuk in Belgium at 20.08.1965. There were no passengers on board, but crew of 4 perished in disaster. And once again - I'm still impressed by quality of the episode. ;)

[@洪梓恩-JackEvans]

Before the release of this video, my favorite video was the South African Airways flight 295. The crash, the history and the mystery behind it was fascinating. This one goes BEYOND that. In fact, I would call this an EXCEPTIONAL one just based on the storytelling itself. Combined with all those historical details and mysteries in this video is one hell of an incredible work, it even gave me some goosebumps and gasps when hearing some intriguing, unbelievable yet realistic facts. I truly hope that we can get more stories like this- disastrous yet fascinating stories with unknown and little-known facts. Anyways, congrats on the longest and the most fascinating so far! I'll be looking forward for other stories that'll be here in the future.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you for your kind words. Thrilled you enjoyed the video!

[@andysix246]

I remember this accident very well, as an 11 year old boy obsessed with planes and dreaming of being a pilot, it had a lasting effect on me for many years. Thank you for bringing some clarity to the events of that terrible day. 🙏

[@mukhtar__]

this turned out better than i've expected tbh. very very well done, Chloe!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you!

[@B3Band]

Wait, his name is Chloe? Like, female name in English and toilet in German?

[@mukhtar__]

@@B3Band her**

[@macwt]

Wait so the guy talking is not a guy??

[@sal-my1id]

@@macwt yeah, she's a woman

[@pooryorick831]

I really like your channel. I admit I have read about many of the accidents you report on over my 45 year fascination with air accidents. But I am still discovering more accidents learning things I never heard before on your channel. Thanks for the great content.

[@emilycormeraie8858]

I fly out of Cork Airport several times a year. The original terminal still sits next to the modern one, now used for airport logistics. It’s harrowing to think it’s the last place those poor souls visited. Maybe I’ll drop a flower there next time I pass by. For them, and for those lost on the runway as well.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

I actually really like the old Cork Terminal. I think it has a very retro feel to it. Same goes for the older parts of Shannon Airport. Such style.

[@sunnyfon9065]

You are very respectful to the victims

[@desdicadoric]

That’s a nice thought.

[@emilycormeraie8858]

@@DisasterBreakdown I like that they kept it, and made some use of it. Same in Dublin, if you’re taking a Ryanair Flight, you have to walk the long way to the other side of the terminal, and get to see the old terminal there too, and it’s in great conditon

[@emilycormeraie8858]

@@sunnyfon9065 Of course, we should be

[@nyxqueenofshadows]

i really do enjoy these longer videos, and appreciate the work that goes into them! great video, as always :)

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Glad you like them!

[@classicorvintage3126]

Thank you for doing this great video and great to see this being featured. Love from Ireland.

[@someoneinthecaucasus3232]

This deserves way more attention. The documentary is so well made. I was hooked at every second. Great job man.

[@light_rrr]

Chloe is a girl lol

[@someoneinthecaucasus3232]

@@light_rrr ddn't mean it in a gendered way, sorry

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

It’s maam

[@ADFeldbauer]

@@kamakaziozzie3038As was said the poster didn’t intend to offend anyone. Drop it

[@Bornfromjets719]

Love the long format! Another great addition to your channel!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thanks. Once I move (which will be very soon), I will try and make more longer videos just like this one.

[@eUK95]

The quality of your work is unbelievable. Thank you for putting so much effort in - its much appreciated. Subbed 👍

[@zakkzilla5255]

Extremely intriguing that you’ve covered this crash as the whereabouts were unknown. I recently flew with Aer Lingus back in April to Dublin Ireland with a final stop in Venice Italy. Because I have severe aviation phobia I looked up all Aer Lingus crashes and this was the only flight that came up. I’ve always wondered since then what happened. How ironic that you’ve answered all of the possible outcomes in this video. NICELY DONE! 💫😁

[@t.p.mckenna]

This film was wonderfully constructed, but it revived a whole series of tropes that have endured for too many years. First thing to say is, this is a crash which left so little evidence in its wake. A commonplace for the time, there was next to no data for the flight in an era without GPS, and flight recorders being far from prevalent. Similarly, there was just a partial recovery of the wreckage. Put another way, there was.a vacuum of evidence which, inevitably, produced no end of conspiracy theories. So, let me just throw in some counters which will add greater context to the story. One is not to make too much of Aer Lingus being a state airline and to dispel notions of Soviet style cover ups to counter any loss of face. As it was, it was all but an independent company, and small at that. The loss of an aircraft was not a good look, but hardly such as would bring about national shame. Two, a missile strike. Had it been struck by a missile, it's failure, surely, would have been a much more instantaneous affair, whereas it is suggested the plane flew for a further thirty minutes, and made it into the water, all but intact. Three, I'd suggest aircraft of the Viscount era were structurally prone to fatigue. They were technically good aircraft, but, as was very clear in the Comet story, there was inadequate R&D into the stresses and strains being placed on fuselages of the era. A failing that fed also into the Trident programme. Surely the loss of 25% of all Viscounts produced, says as much. One only has to think of the vibrations created by four large turbo props, all of which would feed into the frame. I flew in one once from Luton to Dublin when Virgin started a service in the 1988 - great fun, but not the place to be if one had loose fillings. Four, and finally, for the Jindivik speculation to have any merit, you'd have to accept the idea of a drone being way off where it should have been; a missile being fired that would have been in contravention of the MOD's range boundaries; and testing taking place on a day which was, provably, not on schedule - a Sunday. All too believable if anyone knows of life in services where the Sunday Morning Service is a North Star of all regiments, followed by a decent roast nosh up in the Mess. Therein lies the folly of conspiracies. They are dependent on too many facts being out of kilter to what could otherwise be expected. Here's a link to the 2000 report which reviewed all the original evidence and found it to be in accord with the declared findings of 1968. www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/03.Tuskar_AAIU_REVIEW_2000_Report_No2000-003.pdf The full truth of flight EI-AOM will probably never be known and maybe it's time to let the victims rest in peace. May their souls, and all the souls of the faithful departed, rest in peace.

[@bravetoss]

Scrolling all the way down for comments like this. While video is interesting and well executed, poor maintenance with some material or design flaw's is probably the root cause here.

[@martinross5521]

Thank you for your perspectives and conclusions - I agree with the probability of a structural failure. I often flew on Viscounts and they liked to shake and rattle a lot…

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

I am so thrilled by the effort that you put into this one. And whether the longest video in your KZbin career turns out to be Malaysia Airlines Berhad Flight 370 or some other epic aviation disaster story, I hope I'll be there to see it. Keep up the good work Chloe! As for Aer Lingus Flight 712, there is a quote from another KZbinr, Rob Gavagan that perfectly sums this story up. "You may not believe it, but anything is possible in a world so seriously strange."

[@sunnyfon9065]

Your videos help me to understand the causes of plane crashes well. Another fact that I’m impressed about is that you give much description about the aircraft, airline, people, place, or others. I subscribed you. I’m excited to know the next air disasters you are going make videos on.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you!

[@kitkat5765]

I've loved your other videos (your voice/accent is so soothing to me, as an American!) but this was really fascinating. Despite watching a bunch of air incident videos over the years I've never heard much about this particular crash and this was very comprehensive, with some beautiful landscape shots in addition to the more technical stuff. Great work and can't wait for next week!

[@djvycious]

Not only are these the best airline disaster videos out there (that includes comparing to Mayday), but your narration is like unintentional ASMR. Please keep doing what you're doing!

[@alexander7032]

As most have said before me this was fantastically done and well worth the wait. Great structure and excellent research.

[@stevenwest000]

Thanks for another a great and professionally researched and produced video …..

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you so much for the Super Thanks!!! :)

[@stevenwest000]

@@DisasterBreakdown you’re welcome

[@efnissien]

The Jindivik story is easily discredited - all training facilities were closed at the weekend. Even now RAF Valley (the fast jet training facility on Anglesey) is still closed at the weekend. Vicount's had an issue with their rear doors that opened outwards and were hinged on the rear - so that when the door failed, it would open get caught in the slipstream and fly open - to act like an airbrake, before tearing off and striking the horizontal stabilizer.

[@jeromemccormick833]

Hi thanks for comment.Did the door fall into the sea?If as you state that the rear door failed this would be something very major, and would the door warning lamp activate in the cockpit fuselage layout to inform the pilot. These lamps are centrally situated in the cockpit .Cheers.

[@efnissien]

@@jeromemccormick833 I'm not aware of the door being recovered - most of the wreck is still on the seabed. But Viscounts did also have problems with metal fatigue. But there had been incidents of the door opening due to latch failure and several Viscounts went crashed over sea.

[@j.o.1516]

@@jeromemccormick833 I think there was one accident with a Viscount and one of the doors opening in flight. Its in the report of the 2000 study. I think it was in India and the crew managed to land the aircraft, even though the door did strike at least one propellor and the stab.

[@brody3166]

I think this is a more realistic hypothesis on what happened

[@Mary-wo5ln]

Why did some logbooks of the British disappear at this time? Why were there inconsistencies in others?

[@jaisabai4155]

A comprehensive account of this tragic mystery, superbly narrated. Well done Chloe. 🙏

[@moiraatkinson]

I really look forward to your new videos appearing, because they are so well put together and the narration is so good. I can understand how frustrated the relatives and friends of the doomed passengers must be, with no answers and no closure - especially after working on the report for 2 years. They must have reasonably expected something more revealing to come out of it.

[@yukaribestwaifu]

Congratulations on your longest video ever! Thanks for your amazing content on air accidents!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@yukaribestwaifu]

@@DisasterBreakdown the honour is mine!

[@StellaMurano]

What a complex and intriguing story. Unfortunately, there are still more questions than clear answers. I watched a documentary about Pan Am Flight 7 around 3 weeks ago and from my point of view many details between those 2 accidents are very similar like for example delaying the investigation and dropping relevant proofs and pieces of information to maybe hide something uncomfortable for the airline itself. We would never know. Congrats on your longest video so far!

[@paulyoung7551]

Great video as always. And the editing... I got chills when the video got to the part about the Jindavik.

[@missfleming5465]

I love the hard work you put in all the videos you've done that I've seen so far. I've been a subscriber for probably a year the narration is superb, keep up the great work Chloe.😀😀😀

[@rilmar2137]

That last transmission sent shivers down my spine

[@j.o.1516]

Likely never happened. The eyewitness statements of almost 50 people contradict the findings of the 1970 report. The Viscount never reached FL170 or FL120 for that matter. It was in trouble after only 10 minutes into the flight. The much later report in 2002 explains how the accident probably happened to more than 90% certainty.

[@harrisoncarey4031]

Another great video as usual. As a cork man it was even more interesting to me. Keep up the great work!

[@kcindc5539]

Superbly done. And a fascinating unsolved catastrophe.

[@c_rhynehardt]

First time hearing about this accident. Thanks for the video.

[@XcRunner1031]

Best video yet. Comprehensive coverage, emotionally impactful, editing on point. Can't wait to see the next one.

[@leebee1100]

I’m extremely proud of you Chloe! goosebumps throughout. Growth in your production qualities abound. It’s hard to say you’ve grown a huge amount because your content was beautifully produced and written from the very beginning. Much love and appreciation for your work ❤

[@markholbrook3949]

No other content creator meets or exceeds your investigative skills! The effort you put forth is both noticed and appreciated!!

[@me_and_my_piper739]

This channel just keeps getting better and better. Love it. 👍🏻

[@Nikki_Holland]

Another excellent video Chloe. I’d never heard of this accident before

[@Belltogo3000]

Who is Chloe

[@gnicholson4231]

Thank you fr that analysis. I was particularly interested because I knew the F/O Paul Hefferman because we trained together at AST Perth in 1965-6 In the video you also alluded to an Aer Lingus Viscount training accident. The two trainees were also co-students at AST. I could also give you more information on why they were doing their instrument training on a Viscount and not on a Cessna 310 at AST.

[@collin6238]

Hello yes I would be interested to know why that was

[@francovance1]

A friend of mine who also trained at Perth told me Paul was his best friend, now no longer with us, Ed Hill was his name.

[@gnicholson4231]

@@francovance1 Frank, I cannot remember an Ed Hill. The Aer Lingus course of which Paul was a member were a few months ahead of our course and we did not mix very much with them although we ate with them etc. Maybe Ed was a member of that course, but I have forgotten, or was on an even earlier course and left before we arrived. Geoff

[@francovance1]

@@gnicholson4231 Thank you Geoff, Ed was twenty odd years my senior, both from the same village in Co Waterford, he often entertained me with tales from his time in Perth with names like Ernie Holmes and Fats Hamilton and others which I've sadly forgotten. Keep well. Frank.

[@redmondohanlon1687]

Rory Power was one of the two trainees you refer to & was a neighbor & friend of mine. At the time of that crash they was carrying out stall recovery training; I was always a little puzzled that a Viscount was being used for this purpose. Have you got information on this?

[@alrise1776]

I only found your channel a few days ago, but its quickly becoming one of my favorites. Keep up the great work!

[@danielabackstrom]

Wow this is such good content!! Good job Chloe 🥰

[@willr6887]

I love the long videos! The thorough commentary is nice, great work! :)

[@momentomori-rw6jp]

Absolutely love this channel, Just leaving a comment for support ❤❤

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you so much!

[@bicivelo]

What an amazing video. The amount of details and research is staggering… not to mention the clear and concise presentation. It’s another level. Wow. 😮

[@mnztr1]

Excellent job with the video and narration.

[@DD-wd7ku]

I agree, well presented with a lot of information. Just one detail to be aware of, Welsh place name pronunciation. Aberporth, the 'a' is always as in 'cat' and 'Ll' (double L) has its own sound, not the same as a single L (tip of tongue against roof of mouth just behind teeth and hiss). Good luck! 😉

[@Dr.med-rasen]

Missed your videos for a couple of months. You improved so much in this time!

[@bobnash4150]

I worked on Jindivik from 1960 to 1998. They were designed and built by GAF in Melbourne (No Sydney Harbour Bridge here). Jindiviks were used at Woomera and Jervis Bay in Australia but were also sold to Sweden, the UK, and the USA.

[@jeromemccormick833]

Hi ,thanks for your interesting comment.Are you able or indeed willing to accept and hopefully give some Jindivik related questions.Cheers and thanks from Jerome McC.youngest brother of Neill McCormick a passenger on that fatal Tuskar Aircrash.

[@michaelb1716]

Another fantastic production, thanks very much!

[@joannegaughan6132]

Very well done and excellent topic and content. Enjoyed the new format as well. You outdid yourself covering all the possibilities of the cause of this airplane crash. Thank you for an excellent video.👏👍❤🇺🇸

[@KoffinKat]

This was a really good video, thanks Chloe! Love how you included all the theories, I definitely learned something new today. Cheers!

[@jonahlloyd3149]

I always thought this accident was likely to be structural failure, for perspective I was a AD technician in the RAF and worked on Bloodhound Mk 2 missiles in the early 80s, so this accident was well known at Aberporth Range. In the couple of years I worked on Bloodhounds we used to take a missile to Aberporth once a year after it had been stripped to the airframe and rebuilt with brand new everything at huge expense. These were "firing rounds" and used to impress on the brass that they were valid weapons - in fact the operational missiles rotting on launchers mostly in Norfolk would likely have disintegrated on launch if we ever had to shoot them off in anger they were all so old. We did shoot the firing rounds into Cardigan Bay at a target drone which flew North to South at the optimum altitude of FL20 to ensure we had the best chance of hitting the things, of the two I was involved with fireing one hit the target and the other missed but crashed into the sea seconds later - an ill advised low level target attempt. Like you say in the video NOTAMs were issued, radio broadcasts were done, radar sweeps were done by RAF and RN vessels and all sorts of safety protocols were met before we fired the drone let alone the missile, I have no reason to believe that precautions in 1968 were any less thorough the technology used then had hardly changed at all by 1983/4. The point I want to make is that if it was a stray round then for a start upwards of 150 people would have known about it and you cannot keep that quiet, plus the Viscount would have been shredded. The Bloodhound was a big missile with a big warhead designed to take out huge bombers, it had proximity radar trigger (fuse) and the warhead itself was wrapped with steel rods like concrete rebar the entire thing moving at mach 2.5 so when it went bang it filled the sky with a rapidly expanding ring of steel and shreds everything in seconds. The Sunday thing, yeah that's true enough but not because the military did not play on a Sunday it was the Welsh law in those days right up into the 90s I think, nothing opened and nobody worked because it was the Lords Day and folk still held to that stuff back then. Great video I "enjoyed" it, never thought I would see this one come up so well done and good research.

[@t.p.mckenna]

That adds much need perspective and from a very valid source. Good contribution, sir.

[@martinross5521]

Thank you for your comment, which clarifies my understanding of what these missiles were designed to do. Similarly, the Buk missile which downed the Air Malaysia flight, complete and instant destruction of the aircraft. My dad worked for Ferranti at that time who made the electronics for the Bloodhound, but as a practicing Quaker he kept well clear of the weaponry aspects. He did provide a major upgrade to Shannon’s international air traffic system around 1965 which was something useful for air safety.

[@dmfitzsim]

Thanks for that perspective.

[@richardvernon317]

Firing Angle out of Aberporth for the mighty Mutt was around 330 degrees out of the launch point. You must have been involved with either the 1981 or May 82 firings as the dedicated Bloodhound Firing unit was shut down in 1982. kit from West Raynham was deployed there in 86 to do the last firings (4 RAF and 2 Swiss). Both the Swiss missiles worked perfectly, three of the four RAF missiles failed. The last RAF missile was a Rust bucket and it did break up in boost.

[@jonahlloyd3149]

@@richardvernon317 yep it was early 80s I was there May 82 sounds right because I went on a T88/89 radar course shortly after the test firings and spent the summer in Nottingham. By early 1983 I was at Benbecula working for FS Binnie who was famous for his ferocity dealing with young airmen. 40 years ago now and my failing memory is not what it was 8-) Uou were at West Raynham too - I was in Fakenham motorcycle touring a couple of years back did not recognise the place at all Raynham is a housing estate now and on the West coast Locking seems to have vanished off the face of the earth.

[@darraghmckenna9127]

Great video and thank you for covering this accident.

[@pissant145]

Stellar video! I love these longer videos! SOOOO looking forward to the 1hr video!

[@erictaylor5462]

It should also be noted that the tailplane is not a wing. It doesn't hole the tail up, it pushes the tail down. So the loss if the tail plane will not result un a pitch up, it will result in a rather volent pitch down. There is a film of a Mosquito testing the skip bomb, preparing for the dam busters raid. The bomb hits the water and water splashing up hits the tail of the plane. The wings bend down violently almost breaking before the plane hits the water.

[@Kevin_Forde]

Excellent video. I grew up in County Wexford, so I have heard so much about it over the years. My mum told me that she remembers it happening very well.

[@Shamrock100]

A few comments: The Viscount that crashed was built in 1957 so not particularly old, though, as stated in the video, plans were already afoot for Aer Lingus to transition to an all-jet fleet, with the first 737s due in 1969. Some other major carriers were still using Viscounts at this time, including Lufthansa, Air Canada, CAAC (China), BEA and several other UK carriers and the last of the type soldiered on until the mid-1990s, though with a lot of engineering support to enable this. The last Viscount deliveries were to China in 1964. Aer Lingus did suffer one further hull loss, of a Short 360, at East Midlands Airport in 1986, but this was non-fatal. I think that some of the various scenarios that were considered by investigators in light of observer recollections are a bit fanciful; recovering a damaged aircraft of the Viscount's size and design from a rapid, spinning descent would surely have been near-impossible. However I have never seen that question adequately addressed.

[@PJay-wy5fx]

The gap in technological progress between 1958 and 1968 is many times larger than a more recent ten year period. The fact that these planes were still being built and used does not mean they were the pinnacle of modern technology at that time.

[@Shamrock100]

@@PJay-wy5fx I agree that they weren't - but they were still in fairly widespread use on less prestigious routes. Aer Lingus had considered some of the medium-range jets in the early 1960s (and bought four BAC- 111s for continental routes) but it was not till the 737-200 was marketed that the airline moved to order this type to replace the Viscount.

[@ShanesQueenSite]

Thanks for this - I am from Ireland and I always heard about the missile or UAV theory but I'm glad to hear different evidence. Great video

[@namenamename390]

5:54 unrelated note to Fishguard: During the war of the first coalition in 1797, a small force by France landed there (mostly to be a distraction while the main force was directed towards Ireland). This marks the last time a hostile foreign force landed on the British mainland.

[@bobthebomb1596]

Rumour has it that the French force was driven off by the local women, whose red coats were mistakenly identified as soldiers uniforms.

[@darkfox2076]

Great video again always very well presented

[@calzman]

Have you done JAL-123? Something about that flight fascinates me. The way those guys kept that plane up for soooo long was heroic. So many could have been saved if Japan wasnt more interested in playing politics. The pilot saying "This is the end" is just haunting.

[@erbrferg]

Fantastic video. Very thorough and clear. I can tell you put a lot of work into this

[@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus]

Great video and I like the meticulous avoidance of unqualified speculation. Another crash of the Viscount was the MacRobertson Miller Airlines flight 1750 Viscount on approach to Port Hedland, Western Australia in December 1968, involving 26 fatalities. I believe a wing failed catastrophically and this was subsequently determined to have been caused by the common practice of using a forklift to dismount engines for service, as in your video on American Airlines Flight 191. Might be a worthwhile subject if you haven’t already looked? Subscribed! 👍🏻

[@timdodd3897]

My mom met dad while working for Capital Airlines while they used Viscounts. I never knew they lost so many. Thanks for another informative video.

[@blair2798]

Another video worth watching. Good job.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@renoholland7090]

Excellent production. Thank you.

[@VisibilityFoggy]

Ahh, right near where my family lives in Ireland! It is still very much on the minds of people there to this day. Bad events that are forgotten-about or left behind in other countries are held very dear in Ireland, sometimes.

[@harrietharlow9929]

Just subbed. This was a very interesting case. I watched another before this and found it quite interesting as well.

[@GammaTheSpaceSnail]

Amazing, keep up the good work!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thanks a lot!

[@sarge6870]

Well done video!! Narrated very well and covered all aspects with the information available!!

[@thomaspiedmont]

Excellent work Chloe 👍🏼🙏🏼

[@sentientdogma1206]

Right on brother, keep up the great vids my man.

[@donalfinn4205]

Very well done. Subbed.👍☘️

[@EddieLawless-vn9ys]

Fascinating! Keep doing what you're doing! When I'm a bit more flush, which should be soon, I fully intend to become a patreon!

[@SinaLaJuanaLewis]

This is one of the best you've done. Excellent work. I'm curious if they will ever find out the truth 😢

[@j.o.1516]

The truth was found in 2002. You can read the investigation report. Its available online. In short - loss of control leading to part failure leading to structural failure = crash. For 30 years the real cause was covered up by a smokescreen of "mystery" which suited certain people who had something to loose if the truth came out.

[@captaincodpiece3263]

This is the best documentary or article on this accident ive seen or read, a very well and comprehensive researched and well presented. I had heard of this before including the the theory of accidental shoot down and cover up. In 1975 on holiday in Wales i passed the Llanbedr base which had a Jindivik displayed at the perimeter. The example was red and white rather than air recognition orange as in the pictures in the video. It would appear from the information presented the theory and conspiracy is unlikely and the failure of the Royal Navy to find the wreckage could be down to simple poor performance or bad luck, maybe inexperience, the RN having a good record locating aircraft wreckage in the North Sea, where such activity was unfortunately more common. All in all a thoroughly excellent documentary

[@billlawrence1899]

I flew Viscounts with United Airlines from Spring 1968 until the last one was retired early 1969. The Viscount was a good airplane, but it had a lot of bad luck. A number of them were lost, all for different reasons, and nothing having to do with the design of the airplane. One ( when it was Capital Airlines ) was lost when a Whistling Swan impacted the horizontal stabilizer. So this was not the first time a Viscount was destroyed and everyone lost because of something hitting that particular part of the structure.

[@robinboucherwonderfulflight]

Hi, Was the Viscount a popular aircraft with United? I was under the impression it had a good record. It seemed to be used by alot of carriers. Thank you

[@billlawrence1899]

@@robinboucherwonderfulflight I think it was popular with passengers, as it was smooth and quiet. ( Insde Those Rolls Royce Dart engines made an ear piercing shriek outside. Sometimes called he 40,000 pound dog whistle. ) Also, it had large oval shaped windows. United took over Capital in 1961, and retired the Viscount in early 1969. I don't know how well the bean counters liked it as it only carried 44 passengers.

[@azuill1126]

Fun fact about Irish aviation: Ryanair has had only one incident, involving a collision with a bird. They have the best track record in Europe, while also making a frankly ridiculous 2800+ flights per day as of 2022. This is all on top of being a notoriously VERY budget airline. Its a bit of an anomaly when it comes to commercial aviation.

[@28ebdh3udnav]

Your channel is growing. I can't believe you have over 100k subs now

[@georgittesingbiel219]

Good 👍 work Disaster Breakdown!

[@markmulvihill1227]

Really informative video on the Tuskar Accident.

[@sammydingdong4540]

Good informative video thanks.........I always use Aer Lingus when I fly to the USA The service and catering on board is very good.

[@davesmith5656]

Really well done video. Seems like you delved into a lot of research on it.

[@Thatonemodeller1]

My grandfather was involved in the recovery operation after the crash of 712. He was on HMS Reclaim. I am happy to see what he saw and its backstory

[@palemale2501]

No mystery, one tail plane lost and witnessed falling into the sea, causing a downward spin, plane recovers a bit, limps along and crashes farther away, breaks up and the other tail plane washes ashore in the next bay. Missing maintenance records is a BIGGY.

[@kvarner6886]

This is absolutely *fascinating.* Excellent video! Although I don't personally believe the Viscount was shot down, the Jindavik (sp?) collision theory is certainly interesting, although highly unlikely. I have to figure that this is a crash caused by poor maintenance on a too-old plane. Tragic that the families never got the answers they deserve, or the closure.

[@jeromemccormick833]

Thanks for comment. No matter what we "believe" lets back up this belief with solid factual evidence.

[@kvarner6886]

@@jeromemccormick833 Huh? I'm not allowed to have a personal belief based on the facts presented? I'm confused.

[@laylaplaysgames6980]

I’ve watched SO MANY of your videos Chloe and my god you do an amazing job!

[@zacktong8105]

I had never heard of this accident though I was then in service at Lajes Field, Azores, Portugal and received only partial news information. Obviously there is reason to suspect a horizontal stablizer and elevator separation as a probably cause of this accident. But unless there was another similar accident of this piece there is only speculation as to whether it played a role in this accident. Since no military activities were taking place that weekend that sort of obsolves that as a possibility. Dispite long standing differences with the UK the Brits would have had a professional attitude toward this accident as it was a British aircraft involved. The science of undersea search efforts which has played a critical role in solving accidents might well have been far more limited at the time and depth of wreckage could have been a strong inhibitor. Very well done!

[@j.o.1516]

But there WERE other similar accidents involving Viscounts. So it is not just "speculation". This was all revealed in the 2002 investigation. The report is online.

[@57Jimmy]

You always keep one-upping yourself! Excellent video yet again. My guess is icing? Mid March, North Atlantic region, rapidly descending spiral with partial regaining of control at low altitude. The rapid descent could lead to inflight breakup of some components resulting in witness claims of objects falling into the sea. I wonder just what the weather conditions were…🤔

[@t.p.mckenna]

Cork is very southerly and average temperatures for that time of year would not have been below 5 degrees, so icing was unlikely to have been an issue on the ground. Meanwhile the average ceiling for the aircraft was 25,000ft, I believe. No likely conditions then for icing of the wings to have been a problem.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

@@t.p.mckennaThat is cold enough that it might be cold enough for icing.

[@j.o.1516]

Icing is out of the question. The weather reports for that day elliminate icing at Cork and the aircraft only made it to FL 070 with only partial clouds.

[@VikkoActual]

I swear this channel gets better and better. Cheers to you. 🤟❤️🍻

[@GudaGudaPaisen]

The more mysterious it is, the darker its truth will be. Wishing peace upon family members and friends.

[@alabamacoastie6924]

Excellent content, as usual!

[@stephanieparker1250]

Happy to see that there is a preserved Viscount in Wales 👍

[@jeromemccormick833]

Thanks where in Wales?cheers.

[@candismith4779]

Very good. Good writing, good visual and audio. But perfect in your knowledge that there really are thinking people out here.