The Fatal Mistake That Killed 181 People (Avianca Flight 11) - Disaster Breakdown

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A Boeing 747 crashed on final approach in Madrid Spain. The 1983 disaster of Avianca Flight 11 is one of the deadliest to involve a Boeing 747. The photographed wreckage of the plane showed a devastating scene with barely anything resembling an airplane. The accident raised a lot of questions as the 747 was the most iconic plane in the skies and this particular plane was being flown by some of the Airline’s best pilots. Unfortunately the subsequent investigation would later find a causal factor for the disaster to be in the actions of the flight crew in the flight’s final moments. So what happened here that lead to such devastation?
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[@urosradovanovic7720]

Yes we did for sure

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

Just wondering, where so you get stock footage to use in the videos?

[@birgenair301]

I love these videos

[@DisasterBreakdown]

@@robertmcghintheorca49 Hi, the stock footage is from site called "Storyblocks". I pay for a license to use the footage.

[@tommcglone2867]

I personally find this accident interesting since it occurred exactly 16 years to the day before i was born. Similar to how i find SAA 295 interesting since the incident began on 27th Nov 1987 exactly 11 years before i was born.

[@michaeltuffin8147]

Pilots may have been experience, but they were negligent. Hard to imagine that the co-pilot and the flight engineer raised no concerns when the terrain warning alarm sounded.

[@spaceace1006]

Even the best, most experienced pilots are still just human beings. They're subject to momentary lapses of judgement.

[@dout0rm942]

That is how it worked back then, even after Teneriffe. You never questioned the captain's decisions.

[@Theranchhouse1]

@@dout0rm942 😒

[@dogevid]

The plane was found to have a faulty gpws after examination and looks into maintenance records leading to the GPWS going off at random times. The flight crew was informed of this before the flight so they had to rely on their skills and trust in the local systems. The reason for the contact with the operation center was to adress this issue and how it could affect their piloting.

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

A remarkably similar event happened with a 747 called Korean Air Flight 801, which occurred in 1997. Both this Avianca and the Korean Air flights were on final approach with almost identical circumstances and results.

[@titan4110]

Guess we didnt learn.

[@curbyourshi1056]

Interesting watch, thanks. The crew of the Korean flight trusted a non-existent glideslope after being told the real one wasn't working.

[@nyxqueenofshadows]

how anyone, never mind 11 people, can survive smth that led to destruction on that level i will never understand 😬 great video, as always!

[@titan9259]

They were probably shorter than the rest which might explain it

[@spaceace1006]

Were the survivors in the aft sections? My understanding is that's where you increase your odds of survival in a crash.

[@frlango6082]

@@spaceace1006 that is correct and why is BUSINESS CLASS at the front, I shall never know

[@angelachouinard4581]

@@spaceace1006 Yes, in the photos it looked like the tail was still in a large piece. The rest looked like it had been shredded. RIP those in front.

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

​@@spaceace1006tbh I depends on the crash, though the tail section is generally the most well preserved, however there are other crashes where only those seated in the middle survive, particular if the plane is in a nose up attitude with the trail striking first. I have rarely heard of business class being the sole survivors though.

[@rememberingthevictims914]

One thing to highlight were some of the victims which most of them were heading to the First Cultural meeting of Spanish American in Bogota that would be celebrated in December. Among the victims were: Rosa Sabater a well known Spanish pianist. Marta Traba, colombian writer and critic. Who died with her husband Angel Rama. Ángel Rama Uruguayan writer, husband of Marta Traba. Jorge Ibargüengoitia, Mexican writer and reporter. Manuel Scorza, Peruvian writer. May they all rest in peace.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

While I've heard this story before I'll never miss a chance to be lulled to sleep by your lovely voice telling me how dozens of people were killed

[@seraphik]

omg it me!

[@MrJackdoran]

You go to sleep off plane crashes??

[@AceThaDon]

@@MrJackdoran 😂

[@ricardopereira2746]

@@MrJackdoran I do, this and the real Mayday/Air Crash Investigation. Does it upsets you?

[@samlong6740]

Same here

[@zikalokof1challenge414]

Some suggestions for future videos: TAM flight 402 (reverse thrust activation during takeoff due to improper maintenance, which caused an unrecoverable stall on the middle of the city) Dan Air flight 1008 (CFIT on approach to Tenerife's Los Rodeos Airport, this accident is kinda overshadowed by the runway disaster, since it happened in 1980, 3 years after the collision) VARIG flight 820 (in-flight fire due to smoke in the bathroom caused by inappropriate smoking. This crash would later help for smoking to be completely banned from air travel) VARIG flight 967 (disappeared in the middle of the Pacific, no trace was ever found. It was a 707 cargo plane, which was commanded by the same captain of flight 820. The most accepted theory is that the cabin had a slow despressurization (similiar to Helios 522), which incapacitated the crew) ANA flight 60 (crashed in Tokyo Bay, no cause was ever determined. Its an interesting case, since the wreckage was found, but no cause was assumed in the report) ANA flight 58 (mid-air collision with a Japanese fighter jet) All of the crashes above are relatively unknown outside of their respective countries, so would be nice to have a look of these, since I've seen that you are hunting for lesser known crashes

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

Two I'd like to see as well (even though there's a Mayday! episode for both): Polish Air Force 101 - The one where the Polish president was killed YAK-Service Flight 9633 - The one where the Russian hockey team was killed. Or I suppose he could dedicate a year's worth of videos to Aeroflot

[@brianwong7285]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 Including the infamous Omsk runway disaster [which to this day is the worst air crash on Russian soil] in which an Aeroflot Tu-154 [Flight 3352] crashed into runway drying vehicles (due to rain which had passed over the airport at the time.) ; leaving the entire flight crew and only a single passenger as the only survivors.

[@shayhoff7064]

The passengers must have been terrified with the 1st two impacts.

[@spaceace1006]

I cannot imagine the helplessness and terror passengers experience on a doomed plane! AA191 is one that I've studied a lot.

[@tessiepinkman]

This was another terrible accident I've never heard of. I can only imagine the terror of the passengers and crew when they hit the ground the first time, only to bounce up and fall down again... And again. Oufff... Horrible. Looking forward to hearing your take on the runway collision in Madrid you mentioned in the end!

[@xorowl1584]

This one was different. Usually it's "someone didn't fix the plane right" or "someone used nonstandard language" or "radios didn't work". This one was "The captain brain fogged a plane into the ground, and no one said *anything*"

[@gamma_dablam]

Actually 70% of crashes are pilot error

[@xorowl1584]

@@gamma_dablam i dont believe you

[@ctrlaltcreate3827]

@Xor Owl I don’t know about 70% but it’s definitely much more rare for a plane to just spontaneously disintegrate than it is for a pilot to make an error of judgmental

[@justinlane1980]

I’ve watched enough of these videos to know that if you hear the ground proximity warning, you DO NOT ignore it!!!

[@peteconrad2077]

But if you flew then you’d know that in those days most warnings were false.

[@garrettb.-gtmkm9850]

This crash has always interested me, especially how it has seen seldom coverage compared to other 747 crashes like Tenerife and KAL801. Most of the survivors were thrown free from the wreckage, and it's interesting to think of such damage to a huge plane. They really need to give this the Mayday treatment; along with several other crashes that have interested me, such as Aeroflot 3352, the Madrid Runway Disaster, Spantax 995, and several others of the sort.

[@SP-sy5nq]

I would never have guessed there could be survivors

[@Simon_de_Cornouailles]

Flight numbers are often disused after such an event; however, Avianca still operates Flight 11 from Madrid to Bogota.

[@zikalokof1challenge414]

This is mostly airline's choices. Turkish Airlines still uses both 981 and 1951 on their regular flights, KLM still uses 4805 on its Boston - London route, so its pretty dependent

[@frlango6082]

@@zikalokof1challenge414 any one on what happened to the malaysian craft ?

[@roymackenzie-jy4lr]

​@zikalokof1challenge414 boston-london? Is that 5th freedom or is london a stopover?

[@NCLgirl2016]

I know you’ve never missed a Saturday upload, but I always forget and every week I’m pleasantly surprised to see a new video to start the day with! Thanks for all your hard work! And I completely understand changing up the Patreon outro, but I’ll miss hearing familiar names like Avery Teoda and MomLeftMeAtBestBuy 😅

[@MinnesotaExpat]

Don't forget Panic Chicken and WhereAreMyCheetos.

[@c.j.4180]

It's crazy to me that there's not just one, but multiple aircraft accidents where pilots just straight up...disregarded the GPWS. Like...I feel like that's the type of warning where even if it really does seem like a malfunction or false alarm, it's better to listen to it and be on the safe side regardless? Insane! Another great video, thanks so much for the regular content!

[@peteconrad2077]

But false warnings were so frequent then, most airline had policies that allowed it to be ignored in certain circumstances if you were sure if your position. It wasn’t the same as the GPWS we have now.

[@julosx]

@@peteconrad2077 Without the GPS, the then pilots should have been even more careful ! Especially when landing to VOR/DME when there was no ILS !

[@tobygwinnell]

The amount of research and time that goes into these videos is truly incredible, you deserver far more subscribers than you currently have! Love your videos!

[@yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeah]

As a Colombian, this is just even sadder. Such an iconic plane for such a good, efficient airline. Captain Tulio was one of the best, if not the best colombian pilot in history. Miss those beautiful Avianca Colombia liveries, too!

[@declannewton2556]

This is kinda like the mirror version to American Airlines flight 965. Both planes made navigation errors on approach, particular turns which should not have been made. Both planes were flying among terrain, and crashed it it. The differences are that the crew of flight 965 eventually recognized that they had gotten lost and tried to correct it before the crash. They also reacted immediately to the GPWS, but unfortunately forgot their spoilers/speed brakes were out which caused the plane to hit the top of a mountain, almost flying over it.

[@Matiiiimatilda]

It's so crazy to me that some of the best writers of Latin America's history, such as Jorge Ibargüengoitia perished on that flight because they were on their way to a writing summit at Colombia, hosted by Gabriel Garcia Marquez. We lost so many amazing writes that day, along with all of the precious souls.

[@angelachouinard4581]

I didn't know that. Thank you for posting. Tragic all around but adds insult to injury.

[@Supatsu]

Another great video, Chloe!!! Absolutely top notch. These have become some of my favorite videos to watch right before I go to sleep.

[@davidhynd4435]

I've watched lots of stuff about plane crashes. It's worrying that what seems to be the majority of them have begun by telling us that the crew were highly trained, highly experienced with thousands of hours of flight time. Apparently training and experience aren't sufficient to prevent these massive machines smashing into the ground. It certainly doesn't increase my confidence in flying.

[@93BariSRock]

With high training and lots of experience comes confidence, and beeing over confident can also be a downside sadly.

[@motherlove202]

@@93BariSRock There's a fine line between being confident and being cocky (overly confident)

[@LeolaGlamour]

Plane crashes are rare especially with the major airlines. There hasn’t been a major crash with a major airline in years.

[@ricardopereira2746]

@@LeolaGlamour What?

[@fluffyfour]

Don't forget this was almost 40 years ago, in a plane used rarely now for passengers. Every one of these accidents makes you safer when you fly.

[@andrewtaylor940]

I’m sure Avianca’s lawyer has spent the subsequent decades jumping on tv at every opportunity to blame every one and everything except Avianca’s pilots. He pretty much writes the script used for any Mayday episode involving Avianca, and stars in it himself.

[@djmoch1001]

Seriously. How in the hell did 11 people survive? That scene was utter devastation.

[@charlestidwell5361]

Their guardian angels was with them, thank God

[@marty9085]

@@charlestidwell5361 shut up

[@pey5571]

@@charlestidwell5361 but fuck the 181 other people i guess?

[@gunnarkarlhalldorsson92]

@@pey5571 i think the 11 survivers must have someone praying for them before takeoff.

[@pey5571]

@@gunnarkarlhalldorsson92 you're joking right?

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

Have you considered making a video about Flying Tiger Flight 66? Classic example of bad cockpit resource management. The CVR for the last minute of the flight is easy to find on KZbin. I'm not aware of it being featured on Discovery's Air Crash Investigation, and it doesn't seem like any major disaster KZbinr has made a video yet.

[@tiadaid]

The report on the investigation is very hard to find. The Malaysian Deparrment of Civil Aviation doesn't put accident reports online.

[@30769s]

Seeing a 747 reduced to scrap metal and there being survivors was the most surprising thing for me. Seeing that level of destruction and yet people survived is truely amazing they all should've played the lotto

[@patolt1628]

Strange accident: why did they turn before the VOR? They were experienced enough and this is quite basic. It's a very surprising mistake. Then they didn't react to the GPWS alarm and this is curious as well. However: what do you mean saying "it was recommended that flight crews maintain the use of language outlined by the ICAO and avoid ambiguous terminology"?

[@mariancounsellor]

Probably using words that all pilots use to communicate as opposed to individual terminology. It’s the same in other professions like Social Work and The Police. Certain phrases or key words are used that everyone within the organisation understands what we all mean.

[@luiskp7173]

They were talking in Spanish, which both the ATC and pilots were native speakers, but concern was raised that being from far away countries regional expressions may have ambiguous meaning.

[@arandomthing2489]

Oh I’ve never heard of this crash, this seems very interesting and really sad. Love your videos so much!

[@uberrainman]

You always have quality videos, I don't know why your channel isn't more popular. Thanks for the great content.

[@EJ-74]

Wow it's absolutely a miracle anybody survived that crash. 🙏

[@justrelax8465]

Great content. Just a suggestion tho, I think having the actual warnings sound a few times will engage the listener a bit more. The warning for me are always the most eerie part. "Terrain. Terrain." Goosebumps

[@gr0wnup5]

This channel is my new favourite 🌟 Appreciate your hardwork and research to bring us top tier videos ❤

[@annabethchase2569]

Not following the right heading, not properly aligning themselves with waypoints, disengaging autopilot and worst of all ignoring GPWS. In hilly terrain, any 1 of them is usually enough to cause tragedy. If there wasn't an investigation conclusion to the contrary, I would've been almost certain it was pilot suicide when he ignored the GPWS. A tragic end to those people.

[@Pelenaiful]

Not bell, but constantly binging this channel gang!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

I do respect the channel binging lifestyle.

[@anox666]

Great Video, as always :) May I make a suggestion? I tend to always skip the first "overview" part of the Video straight to the title scene. I do this as to not be spoilered to what is about to happen. Could you create a chapter type thing where one can skip die first 50 seconds and land on the title scene? Thanks a ton!

[@bikeny]

I like that idea too. Another way I avoid possible spoilers (if that's such a thing with these types of videos) is not to expand the 'show more' link). My suggestion is to drop the background music. I find it distracting when the narrator is speaking. It's not that it's bad music, it just gets in the way of hearing and understanding the dialogue. Thank you.

[@wyomingadventures]

I don't comment much but I just wanted to say thank you Disaster Breakdown all your great videos! Your channel is excellent. Have a great day everyone!

[@silverrose5510]

My father has been working at Avianca for 32 now as a pilot, and he has stories of pilots with really big egos and some that didn't follow rules because they thought they were the best pilots, all of those stories are when he started working and Avianca has since enforced theur pilots to follow rules almost perfectly.

[@frlango6082]

Kinda the same “attitude” problem with the Cernobyl disaster

[@angelachouinard4581]

Sadly this happens all over the world. Good to know Avianca has worked on the problem.

[@randomrexy2135]

in the span of 1 one i binged all your vids and i got particulairly happy to see it structured very professionally and as a result you get a few extra details that i particulairly enjoy the small things thx for uploading again

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

I read your comment and mistook the fact you went on a binge to mean that you used Microsoft's Bing to search out all of his videos and then created the verb "binged" like others have with "googled".

[@flarithen]

these vids make saturday hype af, ty and hope u have a good day

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you for watching!

[@titan4110]

After seeing all of Aeroflot's bests monumentally fuck up no best pilot is best to me anymore.

[@wafikiri_]

What this video does not tell is that the GPWS used to set its 'Terrain, pull up' alarm off too frequently in those whereabouts. I was surprised that it set off while I was still in the CPL VOR holding pattern at 4500 ft, and the Captain told me about the Avianca flight 11 that crashed because they disregarded such alarm as a ghost one. Don't know if they've fixed that.

[@peteconrad2077]

Yes. Lots of people not accounting for that here.

[@bravetoss]

As only sim pilot, I just can't understand, why GPWS is always ignored in these CFIT accidents. Especially when it's pitch black and you cannot see anything, including runway. Is it overconfidence or just pure stupidity?

[@pey5571]

Both. It blows my mind that a system designed to make it impossible for accidents like this to happen is EVER ignored. Like, HOW can a pilot hear their GPWS going off and not IMMEDIATELY start pulling up?? It almost feels pointless to have safety systems like that implemented when you will always, always have arrogant morons who will ignore them.

[@hoodoo2001]

It was 1983, these guys thought they knew where they were, they were not flying by the numbers, possibly tired, and remember it is what you don't know but think is true but isn't that gets you.

[@peteconrad2077]

@@pey5571 stupid answer. It’s not stupidity. The system wasn’t very reliable in their days and most warnings were false or nuisance warnings.

[@pey5571]

@@peteconrad2077 You really think that excuses them ignoring a GWPS warning?

[@peteconrad2077]

@@pey5571 the point was that they may have considered it to be a nuisance warning and they had become accustomed to it’s unreliable nature. It’s not about excuses, were not at primary school, it’s about understanding.

[@adityabagchi3334]

I was always very interested about this particular incident. Thanks for the amazing video mate. :)

[@kristita_888]

Watching your new video is the first thing I do every Saturday morning. Thank you for always making my weekends better! 💗

[@JuliusUnique]

not only that, but also the lights on the hill were out, what an easy to prevent accident, sad that so many people on this planet are too careless to value life

[@Tefz.]

Sad to see my country on one of your videos but that makes it more interesting still

[@gooner72]

It may be everyone's favourite and the second most iconic aircraft, mine included, but the 747 is no stranger to incidents and accidents. I think that most of us overlook this when we think about the Queen of the skies but she has had common flaws throughout her type history. I think there's been about 60-ish hull losses plus more that were damaged to varying degrees. Saying that, there were over 1,500 built so it's not a bad record and she has survived some pretty horrific crashes resulting in her passengers being able to walk away. I don't care what people say about her, she is one of the most majestic machines ever designed by the hand of mankind..... I will always love her.

[@akarig4875]

I’ve been watching this channel for awhile now and may I say it is very entertaining. Like it’s definitely sad for everyone involved and may there souls rest in peace! But the history behind these accidents are fascinating. And I have a request. Could you possibly cover the MH 370 crash? I’ve seen it in other videos but I feel others may want to see it here to for those who haven’t seen! Great videos and have a nice day!!💜

[@uiuc007]

This reminds me of American Airlines flight from mia to cali with controlled descent into a mountain side

[@peteanderson4395]

Me too and the captain of that flight was considered one of AA's best and experienced captains.

[@janrise3247]

I really like your videos. You are such an articulate person, and in addition to the great content, I learn a lot of great english.

[@davidci]

For a second, I thought this would be the plane crash caused by a pilot's child being in the cockpit.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

That's one of the Aeroflot crashes, Aeroflot 593. Over 8,200 people have died just from crashes from that one airline because they crash so often. Some really infamous crashes too.

[@tdestroyer1882]

Nice vid! Last year on your space shuttle disaster vid you said you might do other disasters like maritime ones, will you be doing those this year?

[@DisasterBreakdown]

I will give it some thought. I will try and make a rail disaster video sometime soon though!

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

@@DisasterBreakdown Please do, I love maritime disaster docs. The intense fear of falling attracts me to air disasters the same way my fear of the deep ocean attracts me to maritime disasters.

[@tdestroyer1882]

@@DisasterBreakdown cool! The sinking of the ferry Estonia in the Baltic Sea in 1994 is a fascinating story, with an incredible amount of conspiracy theories like sabotage by the Mafia, KGB or CIA, a collision with a submarine or the official cause are the most well known ones

[@thema1998]

Firstly, the flight number was 011. I don't know why it had that zero. Secondly, I'm surprised that 11 people survived that crash. It was pretty brutal!

[@gxramirez]

Thanks so much! Love your videos!!😊❤ Can you do one on the Avianca crash into a volcano in El Salvador 🇸🇻 in the 1990s?

[@keno77]

How a experience pilot can make such error is unbelievable and still it happens now and then

[@urosradovanovic7720]

I like your videos man, and can you say from now onwards what crash is next when you post videos

[@renerpho]

1:55 If he was one of Avianca's best pilots, yet showed such severe negligence, how was the company allowed to fly for another day (implying all their other pilots were at least as bad)?

[@MrJackdoran]

Ahh that’s the question of life man. You’re not the best at driving your car, yet you’re still allowed to do it. You’re not the best at your job (i’m not either) but you’re still allowed to do it everyday. The issue is where we draw a line. And there is no right answer.

[@pey5571]

@@MrJackdoran That's irrelevant. There is a huge difference between not being a perfect pilot and doing something as insane as flying a completely functioning plane with functioning safety systems into a mountain. That's not just an unavoidable mistake. Every pilot at that company needs retraining before they should be allowed to fly again.

[@hoodoo2001]

@@pey5571 Panic in the streets.... lets all go hide under our beds.

[@pey5571]

@@hoodoo2001 Are you on drugs?

[@dd_ranchtexas4501]

Daniel Bamberger: No such implication. A stupid mistake by a so called quote Best Pilot unquote is certainly NOT reason to ASSUME that all other pilots in the company are not competent. The sky is not falling; you do not shut down the entire company! You find out the true cause(s) and address those. If company policies and/or practices are a primary cause then, yes, you might well shut down the company. Otherwise probably not. And the error of one "experienced" pilot does not mean that all others in the company are incompetent. Even if the claim is made that he was "one of the best". We don't even know if that claim was true! The captain may have even started having "BidenMoments" due to some cause. We don't know so a Chicken Little response of grounding ALL pilots is simply not appropriate........ My research show that since that crash, Avianca has had 3 crashes involving passenger(s) death. One was CFIT, one was a bomb aboard, and one was fuel exhaustion. And has has no fatal crashes since Jan 1990. Pretty terrible record of pilot incompetence eh?

[@WhisperedHistory]

Love, love your voice and storytelling talents

[@MichaelD8393]

Seeing the wreckage, it's astonishing that 11 people survived.

[@darrellshoub7527]

omg this show is making my weekend start out awesomely tyvm always fascinating and well narrated

[@jeyseq]

OMG finally Saturday, been waiting for this all week!

[@thewatcher5248]

I hate computer simulations when watching this type of videos YOU HAVE CHANGED MY MIND YOU DONE AWESOME JOB AND LONGER MORE DETAILS ARE BETTER BUT KEEP UP GREAT JOB AND I DEFINITELY SUBSCRIBED GREAT JOB MAN TY

[@aviationix]

Could you do video about west carribean airways flight 708?

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Its on my list, thanks.

[@rxw5520]

“Best” pilot isn’t the most experienced, it’s the ones who have spent the most time recently practicing scenarios in the simulator. In commercial aviation where your flights are so routine, you gotta keep those neuron connections strong by constantly practicing stuff going wrong, mentally or in simulator.

[@MinnesotaExpat]

WhereAreMyCheetos is my favorite patron name, hands down.

[@pr0ject_nihilist]

Your channel is very thorough. Were you not able to identify any of the ambiguous language used? Did airplanes have black boxes on them back then did ATC record everything that was said? I’m not being critical I’m only wondering how much things have changed in my life?

[@ImperialDiecast]

what explanation was given as to the navigational error made by these so-called experienced pilots?

[@g-ymmt]

may you tell me what simulator/game you use for these? i love your channel and i just want to have a break from playing the same game over and over again so this would be cool, thanks

[@alex.t76]

This channel is absolutely amazing

[@greymark420]

A layman's question here. Why did the aircraft change heading, wouldn't the AP still be guiding the plane towards the runway or did the crew take manual control and change direction ?

[@l0kaltpsykf4ll34]

its simple really. the AP only guides the plane until the landing Phase, after that the ATC will give the pilot of the plane ''vectors'' to fly from Example : ''flight ABC123 turn left heading 123° altitude 100. report back when you've passed the Alpa bravo charlie beacon '' then the pilots can choose if they can go for VFR (Visual-Flight reference.) Or IFR (instrument-flight reference) i stand corrected though but i think this is how it works .

[@greymark420]

@@l0kaltpsykf4ll34That makes sense to me, I was under the impression that the AP guided the plane much nearer. Thanks for the clarification.

[@l0kaltpsykf4ll34]

​@@greymark420 no problem , always happy to help 👍

[@peteconrad2077]

@@greymark420 they were flying a procedure using heading select which is an autopilot mode that follows a selected heading. They were supposed to change that heading at a specified beacon but changed before. The autopilot will take you down to the runway, once you steer it into an ILS approach which is a radio beam that it can follow to the runway.

[@greymark420]

@@peteconrad2077 Thanks Pete for the explanation.

[@JuliusUnique]

maybe a display that shows the siluette of the ground and whats in front of them can help, kind of like night vision with a radar on the plane, but then again, guess accidents like that don't happen often enough so a "pull up" warning might be enough for now

[@russiantyphlosion2205]

Looks to be my suggestion might have played a role in this! Thank you very much!

[@planeman8414]

Just wondering you could do crash that happend at ibiza Airport in 1972, it was iberia airline and a Carravelle aircraft

[@witchy90210]

So they willingly ignored a very important alert? How could they realize something was very wrong once they started crashing? What were the pilots doing?

[@gooner72]

Not sure why the 3 men in the cockpit ignored the GPWS, that really puzzles me to be honest. I can't imagine what it would be like in the passenger cabin, an aircraft that size totally inverting must be absolutely terrifying.

[@CrackingCody]

Have you ever done a video over the crashes that killed the WSU football team in the 70’s, or the crash that killed Buddy Holly/Big Bopper?

[@kevin6293]

Intersecting runways seem like a bad idea.

[@peteconrad2077]

It s common and in many places the only way you can get multiple runways in. It works well if controllers know what they’re doing.

[@jabergharibi5739]

If you're an aviation enthusiast, you should definitely subscribe and hit that bell! Great channel! Love your videos ❤️

[@javasrevenge7121]

A lot of pilots were forgetting that they not flying with themselves but with a lot of people behind them. Kerosine is highly flammable. Just as here, ignoring a warning.

[@cantfindmykeys]

I recently flew Avianca from San Jose to Bogota because it's the only direct flight. I don't like to fly so I chose direct and the ticket was over 1000usd for less than a 3 hr flight. The flight was between 6 and 9pm (dinner time) and all we got was a tiny bottle of water and a small bag of what I called birdfood because it was inedible. 270usd from Miami to San Jose before that also first class and they fed me more than I could eat and whatever drinks I wanted. Same time in the air. I wish American had a direct flight from San Jose to Bogota. Generally speaking, Avianca has a good safety record and my flight was on an Airbus 320a but it wasn't the smoothest ride. Pilot seemed to be less concerned with our comfort than getting the job done. And that damn birdfood. I complained and it seemed the other first class passengers agreed but they ate that crap anyway.

[@ohioguy215]

I used to fly American direct to Central and South America from Miami and Houston. Good food but that was in the old days...1980's. Times have changed.

[@cantfindmykeys]

@@ohioguy215 Flying was great in the 70's and 80s. Now it's just torture. Even in first class.

[@chipochipfunhu1679]

I know this accident but I always questioned this accident thanks for the info

[@bigdaddydaddy3203]

Aside from loving ur channel I can’t help but waiting at the end when I hear u mention the one person that goes by MOM LEFT ME AT BEST BUY I fn lose it every time u say it 🤣 love ur channel it’s the highlight of my Saturday ❤️✌🏼cheers from Philadelphia

[@asteverino8569]

Thanks for your report. Like your voice too.

[@lw216316]

There seem to be various versions of this story. The first I heard said all were killed, but the wiki report says all crew were killed but some passengers survived. The first report I heard said the plane crashed into a mountain and all were killed instantly. It did not report 3 points of contact. The first report I heard also said the warning was "pull up pull up". and the cockpit recorder had the pilot saying shut up gringo. Can anyone confirm or disprove the "shut up gringo" comment?

[@annnee6818]

It's hard to wrap your heads around this one

[@terencenxumalo1159]

good work

[@Pelenaiful]

Some time ago I saw a black and white photograph of a crying boy that fell out of crashed plane. From what I remember, he was the only survivor, but he died few momenth after the photograph was taken, surrounded by witnesses that tried to help. Is there anyone that remembers what was the name of the disaster/the photograph? I can't find it anymore. +I know that it is probably an old case but maybe you would be interested in covering it?

[@grahamwinchester8550]

The boy was steven baltz 11yo.he died the next day.it was 16th dec 1960.a midair collision between a twa and united aircraft over nyc.

[@Pelenaiful]

@@grahamwinchester8550 ohh, that's it, thank you!

[@tonisiret5557]

At this point, what I've learnt from these EXCELLENT videos is, some experienced pilots forget which way is "UP" 🤦‍♂️😲

[@peteconrad2077]

No

[@pokes404]

When I'm sitting on the couch, watching an air investigation video, and I hear that GPWS alarm going off ... it scares the Hell out of me. How could you hear that as a pilot and seemingly not even react?

[@peteconrad2077]

Because in those days mist warnings were false.

[@patrickptmonk8673]

its amazing that a pilot could fly their plane into a hill!!

[@johnhaaland74]

I watch a lot of these air crash investigation documentaries. One thing I've noticed is that a lot of the most experienced pilots die.

[@Only_Habibi]

Good video. but I wish there was a cockpit recording to listen to.

[@thestrangetormentor]

Yay!!! I purged all the videos so now I have to wait for uploads

[@qg3726]

Just goes to show that EVEN with ALL those Flight Hours accumalated anything can happen... It's like the "Law Of Averages" where the more things are OK the more LIKELY something awry can happen..

[@RoyxlPhxntom]

Ima ignore that replay slider at 8:09

[@benh4569]

GENERAL COCKPIT WARNINGS question; maybe someone in the biz can answer: In this case the ground prox alarm says loudly 'terrain, terrain, pull up' - unmistakable and able to shake any pilot out of lethargy, fatigue, or Horizon Hypnosis (my term). OTOH the stick shaker is unquestionably the most effective warning there can be - danger is imminent, do something right now! But other important warnings, like low speed, I see caution lights go off. How is it decided which events get a verbal warning, and which get just a light which can be ignored or missed? Is there any reason why all critical pieces necessary for flight can't have both a loud verbal warning and bright flashing lights? For example, if the pilot pushes the nose into an angle of attack incompatible with speed, can the safety warning be both flashing light saying 'angle of attack steep', AND a loud voice saying the same thing or 'lower nose'?

[@hellosweden8786]

Never heard of this! Thankyou!! Now I have watched this three times and I still don't get 1) Why did they turn too early? 2) Why did they not react to the GPWS? 3) Did anyone on the FD try to intervene or were they all stupid?

[@petergrunendahl2074]

I like to know how they calculate flght hours. Starting wirh crew breefing, outside check, start engine, take off...? Finishing with touch down, engine off, debreefing...? Sometimes I hear that old pilots has only 10.000 flight hours and young guys 15 ore more thousands. Confuses me a bit. Does not depend on this clip.

[@RedOctober_]

i hate how the map doesnt include the great lakes, i know its a minor detail, but i think using another map would be good.

[@Exotic4M3]

New video 7 minutes ago, you bet I'm gonna click it.

[@WhereWeRoll]

Okay but why did the captain not acknowledge the GPWS? Doesn’t make any sense.