One Fault Turned to CATASTROPHE in MINUTES (AirAsia Indonesia Flight 8501)

[@DisasterBreakdown]

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[@PetraKann]

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[@doubleg7257]

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[@Great-Documentaries]

It is unfortunate that you are using last-gen flight sim technology. The low-poly models and dreadful scenery really lets down your presentation. MSFS has made us all expect better and your videos not only are behind the times when they are released, but will only be moreso with each passing year. And that's unfortunate since otherwise you may great documentaries. Please upgrade to a non-obsolete sim. Especially when the subject aircraft is something like an A320.

[@PetraKann]

@@Great-Documentaries Apologise

[@GlennDavey]

I totes smashed that like button and destroyed that bell and punched the subscribe button in its dumb face

[@linus4108]

my dad's student lost her entire family from this crash, she's studying in Singapore and her family wanted to visit her for Christmas and New Year holiday

[@lornajohnson2831]

SO SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. Truly, when they study the fatalities the investigators should include the extended family members, accounting for thousands in one crash.

[@terifrastus]

@@lornajohnson2831 the psychic effects ripple through all of society

[@rally_chronicles]

That's very sad to hear 😢

[@rickrudd]

Multiple factors went into this, but in reality, the First Officer blew it in every way conceivable.

[@annnee6818]

And it's common. Every third episode of these seem to be a result of pilots stalling their planes😢

[@ignatiusryd2031]

​@@annnee6818 This Air Asia crash and Air France crash on Atlantic Ocean had a very horrifying similarities since both were caused by the panic-stricken copilot 😢

[@kevinmugi8811]

@@ignatiusryd2031 Both French co-pilots

[@tomthomas1182]

As a high time retired flight instructor I found this to have been very well done. It is perhaps the best presentation of this type I have seen. Truly riveting from beginning to end.

[@ripnob]

@@kevinmugi8811the damn french

[@LtChaco]

The fact doesn't get into my head that the co-pilot completely forgets what he ever learned in flight school and consistently pulls the side stick despite the warnings. He had one task and that was to read the artificial horizon, nothing more...

[@Phiyedough]

Yes, I was wondering what he was looking at.

[@AaronHarberg]

He completely lost his head and panicked due to startle factor, Captain should have called My Controls!

[@adrianishtar0]

@@AaronHarbergYeah and if that didn’t work he should have taken a fire extinguisher to the copilot’s head

[@DaWrecka]

@@AaronHarbergAnd not yelled contradictory instructions like "Pull down!". And taken over control of the plane using the button on the sidestick *which is there for exactly that purpose*. Yes, he pressed it, but he didn't use it properly.

[@esecallum]

The other guy should have punched him and knocked him out.

[@UAmmo]

Obviously there were technical factors, but the copilot immediately and completely abandoning all training and flying experience to hold the nose up despite a blaring stall warning and repeated 'down' commands from his captain make it hard not to put this one on pilot error

[@Nautules83]

actually made me quite angry listening to his continuous utter failings

[@D45VR]

AF447, same thing.

[@AdrianColley]

Did the pilot in command ever say "my airplane", "à moi le commande", or anything similar?

[@christopherpardell4418]

@@AdrianColleyNo. In a Boeing, you can FEEL if your co-pilot is yanking on the column because they are linked. In a panic the captain likely did not realize his copilot was yanking on the stick because of his long experience flying a Boeing. He was overwhelmed. But it does amaze me that the single most fundamental instruction pilots learn in flight school, what to do in a stall, keeps getting forgotten likely due to the automated systems that make such an experience so rare that they never actually get to practice those skills.

[@dzimujikambarage9784]

Pilots seem to have forgotten how to fly in these automated planes that do all the work for them

[@arenrutter6786]

I’ve watched a lot disaster videos and yours are some of the best out there! The pacing is fantastic, the narration is flawless- haven’t heard a single mispronunciation- and the combination of animation and still photos is hypnotic… Thank you for all your hard work. It shows in the final product, every time. 👍🏻👍🏻❤️❤️

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you for your kind words, I'm glad you like the content : )

[@how_about_naw]

💯 There are some videos I find have topics I should be very interested in, but they're just done in such a way that they're really hard to follow or they feel like they last a lifetime when in reality it's only 15 minutes long. This channel seems to have it figured out, perfect balance of information density and explanations, pacing, smooth and flawless narration, maintaining visual interest, and sensitivity because of the subject matter. The move to long form has been just amazing too ❤

[@jaws848]

​@@DisasterBreakdownyou should become an air crash investigator,Chloe

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@DisasterBreakdown At the time it the tragic mishap in December 2014, Australian air safety experts naturally gave a lot of commentary of the event in the local Australian media. This is to be expected as Indonesia is Australia’s neighbour to the north. One Australian expert said point blank on camera, on the record, that he had no faith whatsoever with the professionalism of the South East Asian carriers, as their standards, practices and norms are nowhere near Western standards. These flag carriers from poor developing countries reflect the national societies that they serve. He stated that he would not be confident in having his family fly with these Asian low cost carriers at all. Everything is relative. There is always a wider context with these major events.

[@AnetaMihaylova-d6f]

​@@user-kc1tf7zm3bhe is right but these things happen everywhere. Look what Boeing did last few years

[@jirkamares3256]

I remember seeing the footage of the wreckage being pulled out... oh man, some of the bodies were still strapped to their seat. there were some parts where the bodies and the wreckage became one.

[@ingridclare7411]

Gross. Should never have been shown. Seriously.

[@sunnyfon9065]

There’s even a picture of passenger’s skeletonized head. Yes, it’s from QZ8501. I found that photo in Quora topic about how dead bodies looked after the plane crashes.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

​@@ingridclare7411 At first the local tv news channels shown live broadcast the process of lifting the wreckage from the sea believing that the any human remains in the plane would be all long gone drifting in sea current or eaten by sharks that roams the sea nearby, but at the end of the day they censored the broadcast twice, at first when the lifting cable snapped and the second when rescuers find some of the bodies still in mashed up on the wreckages.

[@heinzriemann3213]

​@@sunnyfon9065finally some photos! Thanks for that.

[@AaronHarberg]

There was a body intact with clothes on but a clean white skull, all of his scalp and facial skin was gone. Horrific sight.

[@stevedevlin3739]

It’s a worry on Airbus planes whether the Pilots are trained to fly in Alternate Law modes regularly. Normal Law for 99.999% of the time must breed complacency.

[@yungamurai]

Good point, it’s a difficult scenario to say what is right, the chances of your average Airbus pilot operating within Alternate Law is infinitesimal. However just like dual engine failure or hydraulic failure it does occur, so I’d like to know the airman can safely control the aircraft in Alternate Law.

[@99domini99]

@@yungamuraiI mean, in alternate law the airplane becomes a regular airplane again. One that can stall, be rolled inverted. You’d expect a pilot to know how to fly a plane. While sure it’s more difficult than an aircraft designed with conventional controls from the get-go, the basics still apply.

[@peteconrad2077]

All three of you here have completely missed the point. The control loss was nothing to ability to fly in alternate law. It was all about controlling the startle response of the FO.

[@lukethomas.125]

@DisasterBreakdown I don’t want to be picky or frustrating, but the plane used in this video is an A320 NEO, the accident aircraft was an A320 CEO or 214. I understand that you might not be able to obtain the A320 with CFM 56 engines, however on X Plane, there is the Flight Factor A320 Ultimate available, it is the original CEO A320

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Interesting you bring this up, there is a mini story there. So I actually did plan to use the Flight Factor A320. I have it downloaded and have used in previous videos. However for some reason, on the day I had planned to do the simulator recording, Flight Factor must have pushed out an update and totally bricked the plane and was it was unusable for a while. So on short notice, I just went with the Toliss instead.

[@lukethomas.125]

@@DisasterBreakdown Ah, i see. Nevertheless nice video

[@colincampbell7126]

Wow, that was one of your absolute best breakdowns ever... so incredibly detailed and renarkably done!!

[@senabecool7232]

Finally, a video on another accident from Indonesia, very informative too

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you! Wont be the last video in Indonesia either!

[@donaldallen1771]

I have studied the AF447 crash pretty extensively and was amazed by the incompetence of the pilots, particularly the PF. Until watching this excellent video, I was unaware of the similarity of this crash to the AF crash. I am not a pilot, but I have known about the "coffin corner" for many years. This was explained to me by a Gulfstream G4 captain in 2006 who also was very concerned about the lack of hand-flying skills and lack of understanding of the physics of flight that were the result of increasing use of automation. This man knew what he was talking about and his concerns were tragically confirmed by the AF crash, this crash, and, conversely, by Captain Sullenberger's great skill in safely ditching his airplane -- an A320! -- in the Hudson in 2009. Sullenberger is a highly intelligent and highly skilled aviator. I think it is extremely unlikely that one of these video game players, who in both cases blundered into the coffin corner and then failed to recover from the ensuing stalls even though they occurred at high altitude,, could have made the quick decision to ditch and then executed it perfectly, as he did.

[@NMansetJWard]

It's called a cold solder joint...I am an electrical engineer...every time I fly I am just amazed at how many systems have to work perfectly...an intermittent failure is difficult to diagnose

[@rrhotj]

Lesson: never do anything with the ariplane in the air something that should only be done on land. He might have been annoyed but that first officer should have been more cautious. That is why there are standards and by-the-book measures so they could at least be safe, even with such annoying errors.

[@Kaideart]

Defo one of your best videos yet, absolutely loving the content!

[@camptube7621]

Seen so many of these videos where the nose is not dropped as soon a stall warning occurs. Mind boggling how these basics get forgotten.

[@morganambler5281]

The “foreshadow” bit had me dying. Another great video, Chloe!

[@henrysawson2165]

You're an extraordinary individual. You have carved out a well deserved niche for yourself here. It is possible you could reach 1M+ subscribers over the next 12 months. Very well done.

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Aww thanks, I dunno about 1 million subs. I'm amazing I even amassed 100,00 of you lot XD

[@henrysawson2165]

@@DisasterBreakdown Ha ha. There are millions of fields one can pursue in this world. The key is to pursue excellence in whatever your chosen field is. It seems to me you have achieved this. If that is the case then everything else will fall into place.

[@josephconnor2310]

This is the best video about this accident i have seen.

[@nayadadedjouma8490]

Hands fown one of the best video you've ever made. Keep up the great work.👍

[@EvanBear]

This has probably been your best video so far.

[@acbgames1766]

Stall warning → nose down. Even a total armature as I am knows that. Astonishing how many professionals do the exact opposite in panic. The Air France Atlantic crash also had a similar sequence I recall.

[@davidredding1988]

What a fantastic job you have done of explaining the details of this accident. I could listen to for hours. Well done.

[@Sundaydish1]

I don't understand why the f/o did not "fly the plane".

[@UnknownUser-j3n]

Thats what Airbus wanted. Making planes that require the least amount of flying. Thats what they got. These aircrash investigation reports are ultimately made by people who are part of the aviation industry, I am sure they are biased, voluntarily or involuntarily and may not provide the most accurate picture. Pilots are usually the easy scapegoats, especially dead ones, they won't come down and defend their actions.

[@ndaruharv655]

I was a student pilot when they brought the wreck into a hangar in an airport i was based. They were covered with a tarp when transported using flatbed trucks. They were 3 trucks of them. The first one carries nose gear and a wing, then the second carries its rudder. It’s crazy how the rudder seems “intact” after that crushing blow. And finally the last truck with the tarp on top of the fuselage. When the wind sifted through the tarp. I can finally see how it looks. Its like a can of fanta just ripped inside out. And that, is a moment i was made aware of the beauty and the risk nature of a pilot’s life. And 2 years later when i was taking an ATPL frozen class, one of the instructor played the CVR recording on that disaster moment as a learning material. It was horrifying and sad. But we absolutely learned a lot from that. Still gives me chills to this day. Safe flight, everyone!

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

The European narrator misses the very heart of the matter: Indonesia is a poor and developing South East Asian country where standards, norms and practices across all aspects of society are commensurably lax. This also explains the wholly avoidable and horrific twin Malaysia Airlines disasters in 2014. Between 2007 to 2009, Garuda Indonesia, and all other Indonesian carriers, were banned from entering all European Union nations due to lack of confidence with Indonesian air safety, standards and practices. Australia is just south of Indonesia and of SE Asia. Yet, Australian civil society is on a totally different level. This explains why Qantas is almost never spoken of with these air crash investigations documentaries. Australian pilots leave their amateurish SE Asian counterparts for dead, as all Australian pilots care about is safety. In Australian aviation, nothing else matters. Safety. 🦘🇦🇺

[@nyxqueenofshadows]

great video, as always!

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Another day.... Another horrendous accident... AND another OUT-G**-D***-STANDING explanation of what happened, how it happened, and precisely why it all went to Hell in a handbasket by our own favorite Disaster Explainer! As always, YOU'RE the best, Chloe!!! I can't imagine the frustration that must go through the heads of Engineers when "defeated" repeatedly by a "little bit of solder"... Think about that... I bring it up, because I learned to solder in my teens... damn nearly 3 decades ago now... From sweating pipe and tubing to hard soldering frame-rails for RC Cars to the sensitive sh*t in electronics with all grades and types of solder, rosin and acid cores to solid, lead alloy leftovers through the dubious suggestions of lead freedom and all... It would seem there's probably a grade or type of solder FOR EVERYTHING... but somehow, avionics engineers found a spot on a silicon board on an airplane where it just would NOT stop cracking and giving trouble. ;o)

[@YourOldUncleNoongah]

After an extremely gruelling work day that has only just finished at 8pm, after NO CHANCE of snapping pics of the Super Blue Full Moon, I can at least smile and relax, now that Im home, with the BEST Voice in Aviation Disaster content on YT.

[@tompalmer5114]

Just a recommendation... Most people that watch this Channel probably know a lot about flight and airplanes and weather but for anybody who doesn't especially if they live in the United States the ITCZ may not mean much. So as a recommendation adding in the fact that this is where Hurricanes and Cyclones are born and develope might help those people who really don't understand the amount of energy that's going on in the atmosphere in this area. Possibly adding a small note in parentheses below intertropical Convergence Zone may help people understand that better

[@DavidSmith-fs6pi]

Do a video on Saudia Flight 163 in 1980 that would be very interesting.

[@heidifromoz215]

I wonder, if the captain had not decided to reset the circuit breaker, whether the disaster could have been avoided. Given it was a fairly short flight, and they were able to make the error message disappear each time by using the ‘on/off’ procedure as directed by the computer with the plane appearing to respond appropriately, could the pilots have manoeuvred around this scenario in time to make it to Singapore safely?

[@ryettsmith2463]

Let’s breakdown the Deets was a beautiful gem of creativity. Excellent work chap

[@marionwilson2521]

A call to prayer for these families. Excellent narration. It is not anything I know about, so I would not know about accuracy, terminology, etc.

[@46bovine]

It seems to me that the captain should have shouted, “I have the aircraft, release the controls!” That may have saved everyone!

[@dennisjones2124]

Awesome video....TY

[@Mavendow]

Hmm. I think they need to make the "Dual Input" sound into a HUD warning. That seems to be the cause of too many unrecovered stalls.

[@abe353]

I remember when I was in Indonesia for the holidays when I saw the news about the incident and my god it numbed my body so much RIP to all onboard

[@StellarSTLR1]

The FO completely through all his training and experience out the window.

[@pnmb1]

You do the best job with your presentations! You are detailed yet understandable.

[@Xeorification]

That's 100% the first officer faults. Like Air France 447 and Atlas Air 3591, the FO lost situational awareness and although some system were faulty, it shouldn't have been brought to a state of stall like this.

[@baratono]

French FOs and Airbus planes are not a good combination... Great job on the video!

[@the_rover1]

I believe the first officer attemted a looping in real life for once. He was sick of the maneuver failing in flight simulator all the time. Tragic one!

[@benediktmorak4409]

As one accident investigator ( not in this case.and not about this accident) had said, it is easy to sit in a nice chair, on a sunny day. All is quiet and comment what should or should not,could or couldn't, have been done. Or you sit in a cockpit, warnings honking and blaring. The computer is playing crazy.And you have only a few minutes or even seconds to decide what is the right thing to do. All those -expert - Pilots should think about it a little bit more. And think twice before making any - clever - comments.

[@johnoneill5661]

I don't fly planes but after watching 2 or 3 air accident videos I know that if you hear the stall warning you push the nose down and you absolutely do not pull the nose up.

[@walkerpantera]

Sequence of Disaster would make a great youtube channel name. I like your new format.

[@stargazer5784]

Good video, thx. A truly skilled pilot can recover from a stall in mere moments. A malfunctioning RTLU doesn't render the aircraft unflyable, it simply means that the pilots have to actually pay attention to the instruments and really fly the damn plane. So sad. Nuf said.

[@olaflieser3812]

There is a certain number of accidents where highly experienced flight crews were unable to do unusual attitude recovery. Yes, the airliners are highly automated and thus basic craftsmanship, actually "flying" an airplane, as in "aviate" may be lost with some pilots (I hope: vey few). But as someone that has gotten through instrument flight training, which includes flight without external reference, you learn to use the instruments. I do not comprehend how some co-pilot with 2000 hours pulls and pulls and pulls and keeps the nose at 20 deg angle of attack, not once looking at his instruments and how the captain not firmly takes over. Unusual attitude recovery training should be absolute standard and I actually hope it is. This stuff has got to be learned but it can be learned. It is absolutely doable. Don't need to be a "hero" or something. Fortunately .... there are millions of flights performed worldwide over the years and only very, very few end up like this. So one does not need to feel unsafe. I hope that training methods get better and better and those few pilots that cannot perform basic hand-flying tasks are weeded out of the system, and that crew resource management in the air saves the day in all instances.

[@mboyer68]

I love your videos, best most thorough air accident videos on KZbin, thank you. One word you use is disorientated. The word is actually just plain old disoriented 🙂

[@kentbetts]

Odd that the video doesn't mention the thrust settings. I note that the plane went out of control almost immediately after going to alternate law. Perhaps more training is needed on flying a plane on alternate law. This was an Airbus A320. The similar Air France 447 was an Airbus A330.

[@heatherwhaley7623]

There is a big difference between years of experience and competency levels. We sometimes equate competency by sheer length of time doing a job. The crash of CrossAir, piloted by a Captain Lutz (hope that I spelled his name correctly) proved this misconception. Also, like in a vehicle, clearing a fault code does not mean that the problem has been fixed.

[@claytoningram1333]

Great video and thanks for doing what you do!

[@bobcornwell403]

This is one problem I have with automation. The boundaries between the responsibilities of the machine and those of the person can get incredibly blured. This is what seems to have happened in this incident. Certainly, both pilots were capable of flying the plane with no computer assistance. But they seem to have gotten so used to the plane flying itself that their flying skills got rusty. And one of these skills appears to have been communication. The pilot should have said, "Get that nose down." I have little doubt that the 2nd officer would have acted almost instinctively and pushed his stick forward. Had the 2nd officer failed to do so, the captain should have said, "I'm flying the plane now. Give me airspeed readouts." This, I believe, would have made clear just who was then responsible for controlling the plane. As it was, this responsibility seems to have been divided three ways: One for the flight computer, One for the 2nd officer, and One for the captain. Is it any wonder that chaos broke out.

[@ccooper8785]

A simple solution could be to replace sidesticks with traditional yoke controls. That would allow any inputs, in this case the "pull back" by the copilot, to be clearly seen by the other pilot. I cannot understand why they were ever allowed in the first place.

[@yadt]

While it may be a solution, it would be anything but simple to integrate with Airbus's design philosophy.

[@ARandom777]

Or get active sidesticks that are used on the Gulfstream G400-G800 business jets, where they are electronically linked and have force feedback. It's unfortunate Airbus don't have em.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

It's part of the fly by wire system because it's simple. Even boeing is switching to sidesticks.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

It doesn't solve the problem, there was one Boeing crash where both pilots were pulling very hard in opposite directions thinking the controls were jammed. And there's no dual input warning on that system!

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

And the sidestick doesn't really control the flight surfaces like the yoke does, it's a computer input, there could even be a mode where it sets the auto navigation direction or whatever

[@harry-cee]

The Captain should have known better than to touch the circuit breakers for the FACs mid-flight. Someone with his level of experience should never have made such a reckless decision, which ultimately triggered the disaster. Thanks for the detailed explanation of this human error. All those lives were lost because the Captain also failed to correctly call the direction. Captain further failed to take over the controls. (3 Failures!) The First Officer should have simply followed the plane's feedback and done the right thing. It seems he was already extremely disoriented and panicked.

[@pittypatterputzzler5311]

I got a trailer that is from 1960 and I had a soldering problem this year with a Brack light.

[@suryahitam3588]

As a complete outsider my impression is that pilots have forgotten how to fly a plane without all the protective features that normally keep them within the safe range of operation.

[@jeanlove8510]

i love fallin asleep to your soothin voice

[@christopherback2103]

This sounds exactly like air france 447. Deep stall, no situational awareness

[@iskotayo1]

2014 is a disastrous year for Indonesia, so many disaster happened that year...

[@riropower]

Last week I fell asleep to this video. Time to watch it again.

[@riropower]

Fell asleep yesterday again. Time to watch for a third time.

[@ensignbodybag]

Learning how to interpret a stall condition, and applying corrective action is one of the first things a pilot learns, and reading the flight instruments is part of basic training. These pilots were unbelievably dumb!

[@vidhyandikaperkasa1180]

Very detailed investigation 👍

[@jessstone7486]

What a horrifying story. Quite difficult to watch. RIP to all on board. Excellent job on the video. Just a few points: the word solder is pronounced SAW-dur. The L is silent. And the correct word would be *disoriented*.

[@JACB006]

What was wrong with the F/O .. Was it the Thrust Lock that made him pull back in an attempt to control the A/C’s speed? This accident beggars belief. How many flying hrs did the crew have? If they don’t even know basic terms like “push/forward” and “pull/back”.

[@starvingartist6754]

I can't believe they had pilot's license to fly an plane , seriously

[@shanr2854]

Apart from obvious mistakes from the pilots, I'd like to point out the FE's part in this accident by not stopping the captain to reset the computers.

[@FalcoGer]

36:45 well, you're free not to watch the bodies of your lifeless family. I think it's nice to see some transparency from the government and showing to the public that they are doing things to resolve this. If they sell poop cans in the grocery store, does that mean I have to buy it? Clearly not.

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

The old both pilots using their Airbus joysticks again thing. Give me strength!!!

[@KenJames9911]

The First Officer Rémi Emmanuel Plesel, crashed the plane...

[@andyb.1026]

Another factor and common with AF447, is this happened in darkness, so the Pilot could not see what the FO was doing. RiP to all 😢

[@darkknight1340]

Aircraft such as the A320 need to have mechanical backup systems at the least connected to the ailerons,rudder and elevator,at least that would give the crew the ability to control the basic flying surfaces,assuming,that is,that the crew are conversant with "stick and rudder" flying which,sadly,seems to be overlooked due to the preponderance of and reliance upon electronic systems.

[@AaronShenghao]

This is before high-altitude upset prevention and recovery become more common... It's really baffling why French pilot's instinct is pull back when they get a stall warning. However, it is true that in many cases Airbus (and Boeing) pilots were trained to lose as little altitude as possible, which is critical when stalling at low altitude, but not at all at high altitude. Matter of fact, because of the flight conditions, it's actually easier to enter a stall then not able to recover from at higher altitude rather than lower altitnue such as on approach/initial climb at about 10,000.

[@fumblingdetective]

If you read the whole accident report, FO Plesel did push stick forward for one second. Nose started to lower, but then Captain Iriyanto told him to pull down, not push forward. Plesel obviously interpreted pull down command to pull down his sidestick all the way. Its true what you said, stalling aircraft at those altitudes is quite easy. However, stall was recoverable. If they communicated with one another and worked as a team with proper crew resource management this wouldn't ended in the tragedy. All the Captain was supposed to do was follow basic CRM and exclaim I HAVE CONTROL. In the case that didn't work, he could have pushed side stick priority button to physically lock the FO out of controls. But he didn't do any of that...and so here we are.

[@Mouseplaysvidya]

It's baffling to me that the FO's reaction to an upset was to just pull back on the stick and hold it there. Unless he lost instruments it seems like one glance at the artificial horizon would have shown him that he was doing the worst possible thing at the time. I can't fathom what he was attempting to address with that input.

[@johnstuartsmith]

He was addressing the common but deadly instinct to pull back on the stick when he first saw he was losing altitude. Without enough airspeed, yanking back the stick would have put him into a stall. Without first leveling the wings, holding the stick back put him, his plane, and his passengers into a descending, tightening corkscrew spiral.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

​@@johnstuartsmithHe's at like 35 thousand feet. A slight loss of altitude isnt going to change anything.

[@johnstuartsmith]

@@orbitalpotato9940 A "slight loss of altitude " wouldn't have been a disaster, but he managed to lose all 35 thousand feet of it, which was.

[@k53847]

This is exactly what Pierre-Cédric Bonin did on AF 447. With exactly the same result. I suspect it is not a coincidence that they both did the exact same thing in the same sort of situation. I suspect that in fact they were doing something that they were told to do in the Airbus type-rating course, which told them that they didn't have to worry about stalling because Airbus aircraft don't stall.

[@CougarCat21]

@@k53847 So French pilots love to Pull Down on the stick?

[@ParticularCoconut]

This is probably the best layman approachable explanation of Airbus's Normal Law Operation on KZbin.

[@jt92]

;entour Pilot has very good explanation as well on his Air France 447 video

[@ParticularCoconut]

@@jt92 His explanation is better suited for folk's with a little bit of Aviation background. It better suits his audience compared to here.

[@stormy2453]

My close friend nearly ended up on this flight. He had his leave denied, therefore was unable to board the flight. Sent chills down my spine when I heard that story.

[@badcompany-w6s]

Lucky Man!

[@michaelkenneth4520]

walaupun temennnya selamat gak jadi naik, pasti bakalan ninggalin trauma juga sih buat naik pesawat lagi

[@vexile1239]

Did your friend guy up to his bosses and thanked them for saving his life by denying his request?

[@lostvictims9769]

In remembrance: Captain Iriyanto, 53 First Officer Rémi Emmanuel Plesel, 46 Flight Engineer Sayful Rakhmad, 38 Flight Attendant Khairunisa Haidar Fauzi, 22 Flight Attendant Wanti Setiawati, 30 Flight Attendant Oscar Desano, 26 Flight Attendant Wismoyo Ari Prambudi, 24 Zoe Man Suen Choi, 2 Chi-Man Choi, 48 Sutikno Sia, 60 Jou Christine Yuanita, 26 Jou Yongki, 53 Feilensia Sularmo Go Elizabeth Youvita, 20 Jou Brian Youvito, 19 Joe Jeng Fei, 48 Monica Anggraini Lee Kyung-hwa, 36 Park Seong-beom, 37 Park Yu-na, 11 months Alain Oktavianus Siauw, 27 Ong Angelina Edward Febriantus, 18 Sukiatma Haripin, 17 Andrian Noventus, 21 Denny Oktavianus Kevin Alexander Soetjipto, 22 Rudy Soetjipto, 54 Cindy Clarissa Soetjipto, 15 Lindawati Anggara Viona Florensa Abraham, 19 Natalina Wuntarjo, 33 William Wijaya, 8 Alfred Wijaya, 12 Marilyn Wijaya, 16 Eko Widjaja, 42 Susandhini Liman, 38 Jo Indri, 80 Christanto Leoma Hutama, 22 Indri Yani Fandi Santoso Martinus Djomi, 27 Ira Ratna Sari Kaylee C. Djomi Indar Prasetyo Wijaya Kwee Bob Hartanto Wijaya, 25 Ruth Natalia M. Puspitasari, 26 Maria Florentina Widodo, 26 Jie Stevie Gunawan, 10 Jie Charly Gunawan, 48 Kayla Audrey Gunawan, 7 Kenneth Matthew Gunawan, 10 Juliana Ho, 38 David Gunawan, 37 Meiji Thejakusuma, 45 Ratri Sri Andriani, 30 Nico Giovanni, 18 Samuel Joyo Sentoso The Darmaji, 67 Kartika Dewi Sukianto Monita Wahyuni Jauw Yonatan Sebastian Abdullah Muttaqin Bhima Aly Wicaksana, 31 Jessica Vera Chandra Kho, 19 Susiyah, 40 Yuni Astutik, 40 Yuni Indah, 27 Susilo Gani Hanny Suryaatmadja Djarot Biantoro, 53 Angeline Esther Emmanuel Adrian Fernando, 13 Lia Sari, 36 Mulya Hadikusuma Ranuwijaya, 35 Ernawati, 56 Kevin Biantoro, 17 Albertus Eka Sury Yulianto, 10 Stephanie Yulianto, 14 Vincencia Sri Andrijany, 44 Indra Yulianto, 51 Fransisca Lanny Winat Liem, 47 Jimmy Sentosa Winata Oei, 60 Subagio Prawira Harja, 31 Gani Chandra Boby Hartanto Winata, 13 Nanang Priyo Widodo, 44 Ingrid Jessica Winata, 9 Reggy Ardhi, 40 Hendra Gunawan Syawal, 23 David Hartono, 23 Jayden Cruz Ardhi Marianne Claudia Ardhi, 11 Michelle Clemency Ardhi, 13 Caroline Harwon Lioe Gusti Made Bobi Sidartha Donna Indah Nurwatie, 39 Gusti Atu Putriyan Permata, 16 Gusti Ayu Made Keisah Putri, 9 Djoko Satryo Tanoe Widjaja, 45 Sii Chung Huei, 56 Eny Wahyuni Andreas Widjaja, 30 Grayson Herbert Linaksita, 11 Kathleen Fulvia Linaksita Megawati, 42 Tony Linaksita, 42 Kristiyono Sulastri Felicia Sabrina Krisputra Sesha Aldi Krisputri, 15 Jie Steven Gunawan Ekawati Ligo Djoko Suseno, 43 Hayati Lutfiah Hamid, 40 Soemamik Saeran Pai Naura Kanita Rosada Suseno, 9 Bundi Su Steven Michael Ang Wirantono Kusumo Nelson Kusuma Anna Widyawati, 37 Jie Stephanie Gunawan, 21 Yenni Soewono, 38 Sharon Michelle Ang Andri Wijaya Poo, 37 Merry Herumanto Tanus, 44 Indahju Liangsih, 44 Justin Giovanni, 9 Juanita Limantara, 30 Lim Yan Koen, 61 Hindarto Halim, 61 Sri Linggarwati Karina Santoso Shiane Josal, 45 Ferny Yufina Pornomo Christien Aulia Pornomo Lanny Octavani Inda Diani Nikolas Theo Santoso Hendra Theodoros, 44 Raynaldi Theodoros Winoya Theodoros Thurza Aurelia, 12 Ang Mie Jong, 52 Lina Soeyanto Musaba Evientri Wahab Siti Romlah, 40 Jasmine Rose Ann Santiago, 15 Soesilo Utomo, 46 Suriani Usin Elbert Soesilo Marwin Sholeh, 50 Finna Handayani Rony Handoyo, 28 Kosuma Chandra Kho, 55 Sherlly Ong Aris Soetanto Linda Anggreni Oktaria Wen (Side note; I tried my best to find the ages of ALL the passengers, however I wasn’t currently able to. Multiple sources had slightly varying ages for quite a few of the passengers, shifting around a year, So a few might be off by a year or so. Apologies.)

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Your comments are always welcome 💛

[@CTravelsAviation]

RIP all victims of this accident.😢😢

[@randommadness1021]

Thanks for doing this. Think this is the first comment like this I have seen on an air accident video. Lots of folk seem to forget that these aren't just videos, lives were lost for people's "entertainment"

[@amazingazblo0239]

Bro U are a Legend Litrally

[@sunnyfon9065]

Flight Attendant Khairunnisa Haidar Fauzi was the first body to be recovered. One of her last Instagram posts was a photo of a paper sticking to the plane’s window (from inside the plane) while flying in day time. Written on the paper was, “I love you from 38000 ft.” This photo was not taken on board QZ8501, but the bizarre thing about this photo is that it was one of her last Instagram posts. Her ill-fated flight (QZ8501) climbed to 38,000 ft before entering a deep stall. I read this from some early news reports about the missing QZ8501. Edit: I found out that she posted this photo on Instagram 2 weeks prior to the crash. But still, this was one of her last Instagram posts.

[@cbuchner1]

Planes and spacecraft are among the things where the troubleshooting method „have you tried turning it off and on again“ is ill-advised in flight.

[@dipndalip]

IF space was real you mean

[@Canleaf08]

@@dipndalip Space is real.

[@IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad]

​@@dipndalipspace is real

[@kind2rethink]

​@@dipndalip😂😂😂what😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@christerry1773]

Um that literally is a correct procedure in many circumstances. Learn a thing or two

[@EpicJoshua314]

That family of 10 are among the luckiest people in the world.

[@randommadness1021]

Would've been great to hear their comments on this. Lucky, lucky family.

[@errorcode6168]

Yeah, no shit. It's a shame this happened though. A small crack led to this chaos.

[@theRealBrandonRoberts1990]

Bet they bought lottery tickets after this

[@zarbon700]

Being late was their lottery ticket.

[@BenoitRAG3]

Dunno being a trump and being related to Jesus is pretty lucky

[@fumblingdetective]

Captain Iriyanto without explaining his plan to First Officer Plesel, he reached up to the overhead panel and pulled both circuit breakers for FAC 1. As soon as he did so, FAC 1 lost power, triggering the master caution light again, and a “FAC 1 FAULT” message appeared on the ECAM. Iriyanto pushed the FAC 1 circuit breakers back in, then went to find the breakers for FAC 2. First Officer Plesel, meanwhile, is thought to have diverted his attention to the ECAM screen, which now displayed numerous fault messages, including “AUTO FLT AP OFF” (autopilot off) and “F/CTL ALTN LAW (PROT LOST)” (flight control alternate law [protection lost]). An errant RUDDER INPUT sent the plane rolling to the left at a rate of six degrees per second, and with no computer control over the rudder, only the pilots could stop it. Amid the chaos, it took nine seconds for First Officer Plesel to realize that the plane was rolling rapidly to the left. By the time he grabbed his side stick to take manual control, the aircraft had reached 54 degrees of bank, far outside the normal operating envelope. Startled by the massive, unexpected upset, he wrenched his side stick as far to the right as it would go, and the left bank reduced to 9 degrees in just two seconds. This even faster roll only deepened his disorientation, and he immediately countered again, sending the plane back to 53 degrees left. Plesel tried to roll to the right again, but at the same time he tensed up and pulled back hard on his side stick, sending the plane into a steep climb. Because Iriyanto was Indonesian, and Plesel was French, they could only communicate in basic airman’s English, and their repertoire of non-standard phrases was probably limited. And so, at the moment when he needed to urge Plesel to push the nose down, what came out of his mouth was something else entirely: “Pull down.”. What wasn't said in this video was that when Plesel first heard the STALL warning, he started to push FORWARD on his stick to bring the NOSE DOWN, and for ONE SECOND the stall warning actually stopped, as his inputs began to have an effect. But before he could get far, he heard Captain Iriyanto yelling at him to “pull down,” and he reversed his input. Unfortunately, Plesel concluded that Iriyanto wanted him to pull back on his stick, so he did - all the way. Captain Iriyanto grabbed his own side stick in a attempt to recover control. He rolled right to level the wings and pushed the nose forward to reduce the angle of attack, but he left out one critical step - he forgot to announce, "I HAVE CONTROL”. Iriyanto could also have locked Plesel out of the controls by holding down his “SIDE STICK PRIORITY” button, but he never did, either because he didn’t know Plesel was pulling up, didn't hold the button for 40 sec (which is very stupid, alot of situations in aircraft can happen in couple of seconds, so holding down button for 40 sec seems excessive), or because it failed to occur to him amid the chaos on the flight deck.

[@XVENDETTA100]

The problem is the working culture : seniority culture There are strong reasons why it takes two pilot rather than 1 no matter how sophisticated the manufacturer can make the airplane that contains living passenger... It's about solving the problem TOGETHER and when i say TOGETHER there is a equality power relation in discussion no matter what rank they are bearing each other Sure, seniority has a good side, because we cant deny and reject the fact that experience could make change.... But never forget, "error" was a part of human existential at the very basic of their nature....no matter how rational they can be...but they are still species in animalia kingdom.... there is a moment and there is SHOULD BE a moment when they cant use their "unique brain component" properly, from drunkard that rape his own daughter to the pilot who suddenly fly like 5 years old kid on airplane in carnaval's merry go round....

[@Keepone974]

Mmmh so everyone bashing the FO might not be exactly right, as the captain had extremely poor communication even when the FO did the right thing... Interesting, and frightening how such sequence of events and things going wrong can happen.

[@PInk77W1]

“He didn’t know” AF447 the captain didn’t know the FO had the Joy stick all the way back too. Horrible design

[@F.A.S.D]

This was a communication error for sure, had his FO an Indonesian he would've spoke the order clearly. What you need to know is that in emergency and very dire situation you would already be very exhausted in trying to focus to the surrounding and how you handle the emergency. It only make sense that he forgot his English speaking especially if he's not that fluent, because its just too much concentration to put onto when you already have something way more important to focus.

[@tlevans62]

Poor CRM, poor phraseology, and a former fighter pilot in charge, not used to having a crew to communicate with. A first officer with very little hand flying skills. Airbus fly by wire with no control “feel”. Recipe for disaster.

[@joecrammond6221]

painfully similar to that of Air France 447, R.I.P. to all those killed, 2014 wasn't a good year for airlines with MH370 and MH17 and now this

[@D45VR]

F/O pulling back on side-stick while captain trying to push the nose down. Did Plesel & Bonin go to same flight school?

[@StellaMurano]

It's horrible it happened twice - hopefully never again!

[@gaztastic]

This happened because in both instances, the flight augmentation computers that were supposed to keep the aircraft from stalling were in a degraded state for more or less the same amount of time. Both times, the pilot flying tried to correct the aircraft's course but overcompensated for it because of the sensitivity of the controls, leading to a stall. Airbus planes really seem to have an issue with that...

[@crypton5344]

2014 also witnessed plane crashes in Iran, Algeria and taiwan

[@fumblingdetective]

​@@D45VRAnd with both of these crews absolute breakdown of the CRM management. This alone could have save their lives.

[@churchofmarcus]

Show of hands: How many of you non-pilots know to push the nose of a plane down when you get a stall warning?

[@nian60]

I know that the nose should be pushed down. But I would never have known that if I hadn't watched every episode of Mayday. No idea why trained pilots get this wrong though.

[@wilsjane]

The stall warning gives you a safety margin, so, nose slightly down and throttles up, while flying straight and level minus a few feet. Then follow the instruments, taking care not to end up in a steep dive and/or overspeed, which can be equally dangerous. Needless to say, you then need to ask yourself, how you got into that situation i the first place.

[@ingridclare7411]

I know. And look at speed as well.

[@protodvd]

...yes, but only through an aviation disaster video habit.

[@teamofsteve]

I’m not saying would know what to do, but I would certainly know not to climb. Surely just trying to level everything out is the best course of action. Crappy instruction from the captain though.

[@Akaoni21]

I'm not willing to be so charitable towards the captain and first officer. Despite everything you fly the aircraft first, the first officer was seemingly incompetent and the captain should have called out that he was taking control.

[@PJay-wy5fx]

Agreed, very bad CRM, esp. since it was as recently as 2014.

[@Enzoblueblood]

The Capt repeating “pull down!” “pull down!” to the first officer. So first officer obliged.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

The European narrator misses the very heart of the matter: Indonesia is a poor and developing South East Asian country where standards, norms and practices across all aspects of society are commensurably lax. This also explains the wholly avoidable and horrific twin Malaysia Airlines disasters in 2014. Between 2007 to 2009, Garuda Indonesia, and all other Indonesian carriers, were banned from entering all European Union nations due to lack of confidence with Indonesian air safety, standards and practices. Australia is just south of Indonesia and of SE Asia. Yet, Australian civil society is on a totally different level. This explains why Qantas is almost never spoken of with these air crash investigations documentaries. Australian pilots leave their amateurish SE Asian counterparts for dead, as all Australian pilots care about is safety. Australian carriers hold their pilots to Western standards. And then some. Safety. Nothing else matters. 🦘🇦🇺

[@xx5949]

I think the first officer just got into frozen state, he probably did not even realize he was pulling back. He should never operate any critical machine actually. I think the first qualifying test should be how person deal with stress. I bet most pilots in the industry will actually fail. This is unfortunate truth.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@xx5949 The Indonesians are painfully mediocre. It is as simple as that.

[@Piggydoom]

These videos got me into aviation, somehow informative and also relatively easy to understand to somebody who’s been watching for 2 weeks It’s incredible Also I do understand the irony of plane crashes getting me into aviation

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you for watching!

[@conny.rapp.tattoo]

Same here, been scared to death now Private Pilot Training and about to continue to ATPL

[@darthsmack7090]

It was the disaster videos from mentour pilot that finally sent me over to learning how to fly on Microsoft Flight Simulator. Now that I have much heightened technical knowledge I can better understand the circumstances behind these crashes and honestly its scary how so many of these could have been avoided from simple competent operation by the pilots.

[@danieladielpah2820]

I personally know the family of 10 that fortunately evaded this tragic incident. They consider themselves very lucky and I notice their change in behaviour. It really is shocking when I first learned about it but I am glad that they are safe, I haven't been in contact with them for a while thoigh hope they are doing well.

[@PotatoSalad7777]

This reminds me so much of what happened with Air France 447. Something recoverable like a stall turning to a complicated situation because of lack of communication between the pilot and co pilot

[@ronaldsmith4153]

Air France 447 remained in a stall all the way down and in spite of all of the plane's sophisticated equipment. Seat of the pants training would have saved the plane.

[@AnetaMihaylova-d6f]

​@ronaldsmith4it the captain was missing153

[@ederss7]

AF447 all over again. First officer panicks and crashes the plane.

[@Nocgirl]

yep.....neither pilot acted correctly to get out of a stall and continued to pull up. That is what caused AF447 to crash and this was almost the same scenario....didnt these pilots learn anything from that? The AF447 flight is used alot in trainings....a complete disaster that could have easily been avoided. The cockpit had plenty of time to save that plane. No communication. And you do not point the nose up to get out of a stall. Sad learning experience here.

[@tjroelsma]

@@Nocgirl Especially the really experienced Captain's actions are baffling, even if you ignore him pulling those fuses. The moment he was back in his seat he should have shouted "My plane" or "Pilot's plane", ordering the co-pilot to let go of his controls. Instead, he failed to re-assert his command and therefore doomed the plane.

[@milindketkar9059]

And both planes were Airbus. That's why Boeing is the best

[@DioTheGreatOne]

​@@milindketkar9059 You mean the company that just "forgot" to tell pilots about the MCAS and caused the deaths of over 350 people?

[@Brian-kl1zu]

Flight 8501/AF 447: Both crash circumstances are similar in some ways. However; On Air France 447; the captain was taking rest-time in a crew bunk; while the guy in the right seat was trying to fly the airbus into outer space. The captain reentered the cockpit; just as the ocean was about to take their lives. "This can't be happening!" (I believe those were the captain's last words; not those of the other two men.)

[@bobkile9734]

I am a huge advocate for the idea that every pilot in the world MUST earn their wings on small planes like Cessna 172 or similar.

[@heart_break1]

Not sure that would help, modern airliners are extremely automated, specially Airbus and it's lack of physical feedback. Then you have some airlines that forbid pilots from flying manual during cruise (unless it's an emergency). All this automation and lack of real flying leads to complacency, and complacency kills. The only type of pilot capable of reacting to anything is a test pilot, but test flights are short so although they're stressful and intense, it's not exhausting.

[@peteconrad2077]

They do.

[@bobkile9734]

@@peteconrad2077 not always. Namely, airlines that exclusively fly airbus.

[@bobkile9734]

@@heart_break1 i think it would help immensely. Sure, there is no force feedback, but what is there is theory, call-> response, the “what happens when i do X” crafting. It’s like riding a bike before riding a riding a motorcycle.

[@peteconrad2077]

@@bobkile9734 sorry but that’s absolute bollox.

[@hobojoe6962]

You showed the ECAM with the proper alternate law message but the PFD indications later in the video still show normal law indications (green lines instead of amber x's on the sides of the attitude indicator, 30 degree pitch marker, and -15 degree pitch marker.) So in the future I would recommend turning off both FAC's if you are recording airbus clips in alternate law. You can also turn off 2 or more ADR's (I recommend ADR 2 and 3 so the captain's PFD still has data) via the pushbuttons. But nevertheless, the video quality is still great, and better than before. Good job.

[@jamesgraham6122]

Unbelievable...As with AF447, yet another pilot (the FO) that doesn't know how to fly the bloody plane. His reaction to the EASI should have been instinctive and immediate. To say that panic and disorientation led to the incorrect response from the pilots may be accurate.. the point is that it should not have done. These events are practiced.. or should be, in simulators during recurrent training on a regular basis and any pilot performing below acceptable standards is required to undergo additional training and a re-test.. further demonstrations of below standard performance should result in the pilot being removed from operations. I would dearly like to see the training records of the First Officer. There is of course an additional factor in the language issue..English was not the first language of either pilot.. the captain's instruction to 'pull down meant no sense whatever, in spite of this the FO should have reacted correctly to the situation in the first place...'Recovery From Unusual Attitudes' is a training manouvre we undergo from the very earliest days of pilot training.

[@peteconrad2077]

It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with flying the plane. Stick to stuff you understand.

[@jamesgraham6122]

@@peteconrad2077 Well, I'd like you to expand on that. The Captain pulls the cb.. that disconnects the a/p.. the FO sees the left bank resulting from the rudder displacement as it goes out of trim but fails to react using his side-stick.... I've never flown an Airbus and have no experience of using that method but I have to assume that the CB having been pulled would not remove control so what is there that's not to do with flying the plane. ?. I'm now retired from a 40 yr career as a professional pilot and that includes 4 years of sim and systems instruction.. Please, enlighten me.

[@peteconrad2077]

@@jamesgraham6122 at the point where the aircraft unexpectedly yaws and rolls violently the pilot can get instantly into a state we. Is call “startle”. It’s utterly debilitating and hard ti exit unless you’ve been trained to do it. This is why he didn’t react correctly. It was nothing to do with flying ability or knowledge. It was a pure psychological deficit. I would imagine you retired some time ago not to know this.

[@jamesgraham6122]

@@peteconrad2077 I retired in 2016. At that time in the sim we were still including recovery from unusual attitudes,... eyes down .. opposite number eases a/c into unusual attitude power/up ..or down etc. Yes, they knew something was coming but then, the situation this crew were in with potential control issues and the captain out of his seat. I would have been sitting there with my hands and feet ready for a potential upset.

[@peteconrad2077]

@@jamesgraham6122 handling startle requires specific psychological skills that the better airlines have been teaching since AF447. If you’re only reaching the handling part then you’re missing the most important bit. Besides, unusual attitudes more usually come when you don’t expect them.

[@agvstixn]

I'm Indonesian Singaporean. My family were supposed to take this flight back to Singapore from Surabaya. We live in Malang Regency, East Java. My mom told us that she wanted to extend our stay in Malang, and she had cancelled this flight. When we saw the news we were all stunned and shocked... We avoided death.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

The European narrator misses the very heart of the matter: Indonesia is a poor and developing South East Asian country where standards, norms and practices across all aspects of society are commensurably lax. This also explains the wholly avoidable and horrific twin Malaysia Airlines disasters in 2014. Between 2007 to 2009, Garuda Indonesia, and all other Indonesian carriers, were banned from entering all European Union nations due to lack of confidence with Indonesian air safety, standards and practices. Australia is just south of Indonesia and of SE Asia. Yet, Australian civil society is on a totally different level. This explains why Qantas is almost never spoken of with these air crash investigations documentaries. Australian pilots leave their amateurish SE Asian counterparts for dead, as all Australian pilots care about is safety. In Australian aviation, nothing else matters. Safety. 🦘🇦🇺

[@IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad]

​@@user-kc1tf7zm3bthis is the most patriotic Austrilan ive even seen.

[@violet7773]

​@@user-kc1tf7zm3b if you didn't intend for this to be extremely racist, you failed miserably. What a disgraceful way to react to a tragic loss of life

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@violet7773 Tough bloody luck. In Australia, all that matters are objective results. But, in South East Asia, matters are far more lax to the point of apathy. This explains the great many of man made disasters in the region. When you fly in Australia, the airline captain only cares about landing safely at your destination. Nothing else. If he feels this cannot be achieved, the flight will be cancelled.

[@kami_narisama]

​@@user-kc1tf7zm3byou miss the fact that one of the Malaysian Airlines' accident is literally because their plane get fucking shot down by a group of militia who've mistaken it for a military airplane. But sure! Let's be racist about it! The ban on European soil for Indonesian's flight had been lifted years ago, and there rarely has been a Boeing airline accidents in SEA recently, minus a private jet accident in Malaysia few months ago. Majority of SEA's country are former colonized countries, same as Australia. Difference is that the colonizer decided to settle in Australia and prospered there, while in SEA, after they had had enough of the natural resources, they left, be it forcefully or on their own. That's why your colonizer ass can prosper, because virtually zero of the people there is a native of the land. Your xenophobic thinking is full of ignorance and unintelligent information. America have tons of airlines accidents as well, are you gonna say they're also less superior compared to Australia?

[@enzoacorda]

My dad was an FO in Air Asia when this happened. I remember him being out of the house and coming home late almost daily when the flight went missing.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

The European narrator misses the very heart of the matter: Indonesia is a poor and developing South East Asian country where standards, norms and practices across all aspects of society are commensurably lax. This also explains the wholly avoidable and horrific twin Malaysia Airlines disasters in 2014. Between 2007 to 2009, Garuda Indonesia, and all other Indonesian carriers, were banned from entering all European Union nations due to lack of confidence with Indonesian air safety, standards and practices. Australia is just south of Indonesia and of SE Asia. Yet, Australian civil society is on a totally different level. This explains why Qantas is almost never spoken of with these air crash investigations documentaries. Australian pilots leave their amateurish SE Asian counterparts for dead, as all Australian pilots care about is safety. In Australian aviation, nothing else matters. Safety. 🦘🇦🇺

[@user-yt198]

@@user-kc1tf7zm3b First officer who caused the crash was a French national educated in France. He wasn't Indonesian. He could have been working in Qantas too. It is true that Indonesian aviation had a bad reputation before 2010, but in many incidents weather conditions also had a contributing factor. Java Sea is very dangerous.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@user-yt198 Get bloody real! You are not Australian at all, as you are full of excuses. Australians only care about achievable results. This explains the near flawless safety record of Qantas. This also extends to the wider Australian society, which given our modest population of only 25 million, we have the most prosperous, productive and robust economy in the Southern Hemisphere. This also explains why the United States trusts Australia with their most sensitive military weapons platforms, the F-35 Lightning II fighter jets and the nuclear powered Virginia-class submarines. Qantas naturally flies extensively throughout South East and East Asia. Yet, the Australian flag carrier does not have the entirely avoidable failures of their Asian counterparts of the past 30 years. At the end of the day, it all comes down to professionalism, standards and attitude. And you wonder why Australian has won a staggering 170 Olympic gold medals, which includes the Winter Olympics. On the other hand, our neighbours to the north have next to nothing to show for their sporting achievements. Our neighbours are lazy, apathetic and lack a certain direction. There is no comparison whatsoever with Australia and our neighbours to the north, which are for all intents and purposes, banana republics mostly ruled by dictators. Coming back to the airline in question, Indonesia Air Asia, the carrier is obviously Indonesian, which has its headquarters near Jakarta. The carrier is most definitely Indonesian, no matter which way you slice and dice the matter.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@user-yt198 Most French and Turkish pilots do not have what it takes to be Australian Qantas pilots. You have have no idea whatsoever how exacting the standards are at Qantas Jet Base Mascot. 🦘🇦🇺

[@IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad]

​@@user-kc1tf7zm3bjit trippin-

[@derekgrayjr]

Sounds like the FO brain was shocked into a factory reset judging by him reverting to his native language and kept pulling on the sidestick. People can receive as much training as they like, but sometimes when things happen unexpectly in real life, your mind freezes/goes blank. The captain's instructions was contradicting too. The captain should have yelled "Controls to me!" as he seemed to understand more of what was happening. But as a pilot, the first officer should have known what to do in that situation. Easier said than done though as this isn't the first accident of this type.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

I think standard is "my aircraft"/"your aircraft"

[@Redbikemaster]

​@@thewhitefalcon8539"my controls/your controls" is what I was taught but I'm not a pro

[@Michael-lg4wz]

I wonder if years of boring pushing buttons flying airbus not cessna dulled the brain

[@BoogieWoogieCat]

It's baffling to me how incompetent that FO was. It's as if he lost all the training and experience he had accumulated all those years in that moment. But then you add the fact the captain had 20k hours of experience and didn't step in immediately to fix the issue, but also was the one who caused it in the first place, instead of continuing to follow the proper instructions on the ECAM. Unbelievable.

[@peteconrad2077]

It’s a well understood condition.

[@Mr_Bones.]

This type of accident has happened about 4 times that I know of, and for the life of me I can’t understand why the captain didn’t reach over and punch the FO. The dude is clearly in a trance pulling back on the control stick causing the stall. If the captain would have physically stopped his control, they would all be alive. I rather catch a battery charge than become ashes.

[@Aethelhald]

Reminds me of Pierre Bonin from that other flight, who had the stick back the whole time as the plane stalled all the way down into the ocean.

[@すどにむ]

It's as if these pilots pulling sticks in stalls shouldn't have been in the seats. I guess there are reasons it happens, but why...

[@peteconrad2077]

@@Mr_Bones. I’m only aware of this particular set of circumstances happening twice in recent years.

[@priyam352]

havent finished but this is one of the best channels you really put tv documentaries to shame this is amazing!

[@DisasterBreakdown]

Thank you for your kind words!

[@endoetz]

My friend and his family were on this flight. A week before this incident, I suddenly dreamed of him. And for a week, I always thought of him. This baffles me because I haven't spoken to him in a long time either via social media or anything. "Why?" I asked myself. After all my friends made a fuss about this incident on Facebook, I was shocked.

[@sudhirmunasur5508]

We are all connected spiritually and psychically

[@KaumilDixit]

I have also had a similar experience on multiple occasions. I dreamt of people who were about to die in air accidents just prior to their supposed date of death. It happened to me in first in Aug 2011, then in Jul-Aug 2016 and in Jan 2023. On all these occasions, someone I knew was about to die. I had these weird dreams just before their deaths where I could clearly see their faces and aeroplane crashes. And this was even without having any form of actual interaction with them months prior to their deaths. I was shocked and surprised on all of these occasions. I couldn't believe myself the next day after dreaming these things. On almost every occasion, I had thought that it's just a dream and I did not make any efforts to discuss it with the person who was about to die. Now I am thinking that if this happens to me again, I will probably call up the person and ask him to lock himself up in a room for a month. By the way, I am an ex-fighter Pilot of the Indian Air Force. I have flown MiG-21 fighter aircraft of Indian Air Force and the people I have just referred to, were all my fellow pilots of IAF who have perished in air crashes.

[@Ciborium]

Pilot: "Pushing the nose up to 50 degrees will solve that "stall warning" error message that won't STFU." So much incompetence in a short period of time.

[@nuuukethewhales]

I profoundly enjoy everything about your videos. A serious and factual tone, not afraid to break into irony or humour on occassion, and with perfect pacing. It's easy to try and speed up when things start to get longer but you keep it succint without being rushed. You can really tell that you put a lot of work into everything else too, with well thought-out music and great audio quality, as well as the great simulator footage and montage, and on-screen sources for absolutely everything. Awesome attention to detail all-around. Great job, Chloe!

[@camillabrifjord727]

French first officers can’t fly a plane for just one minute in ALT LAW without stalling it. The flying industry have problem if the pilots can’t aviate instead of just watching computers. Thank you Chloe for a superb video!

[@user-to7ds6sc3p]

Hearing about the first officers actions was really frustrating. Just from watching Disaster Breakdown and Mentour Pilot, I know that Pilots should immediately pull the nose down if a stall warning occours.

[@zestyquestman8378]

​@@user-to7ds6sc3pnot only are they taught that, but they practice stall and deep stall recoveries. it is frightening that there are fully certified crews that do not know how to recover from a stall at FL380

[@clpthegamer3129]

recovering from a stall is something every pilot should know, its basic training, i blame the french for having a lack of english understanding, to this day french ATC and Pilots talk in french and will only switch to english if "forced" to do so, the same issue happens in Asian Countries, which have a simmilar bad rep when it comes to understanding communication

[@clpthegamer3129]

@@bfa-xi1py to be bluntly, French is hard and quirky language while English and even Spanish are much easier to learn and understand

[@clpthegamer3129]

@@bfa-xi1py the nose, PULL DOWN THE NOSE... the alarm goes "woop woop PULL UP woop woop" for a reason, its not talking about the guys pants, i'm going out on a limb here and assume you speak french... fix how you do math first and then we can talk about "Nasty Languages" on top of that i'm not sure how good both Pilots english comprehension was anyway....

[@AzizuddinAziz]

Crazy what panic could do to a person. Given its very dark, in the middle of the ocean and thick clouds, I am surprised the FO didnt use his FD to level the plane. He was pretty much using his “sense”, VFR is not even possible that high

[@linadw]

I was working in Airport Ops at Singapore Changi Airport when this incident happened. Woke up that Sunday morning to 10 missed calls and text messages from work about the flight having missed its arrival time at SIN. When my father sent me to the airport to report for emergency duty, I remember telling him this was probably going to be on the news within hours. This happened just 9 months after and within close proximity to MH370 disappearing, so that was our first fear. We were in charge of handling ops and logistics for the passengers' next-of-kin in Singapore and keeping them safe from the media's prying eyes. When the plane was found on the 3rd day, I'll never forget the screams and wails from the family members in the holding area. There was a woman quietly sobbing in a corner and I later found out her husband and 2 year old daughter had been on the plane. Her image still sticks with me to this day. 2014 was a terrible year for aviation. I think about this flight from time to time even though I've since left the aviation industry. May all the passengers of QZ8501 rest in peace.

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

The European narrator misses the very heart of the matter: Indonesia is a poor and developing South East Asian country where standards, norms and practices across all aspects of society are commensurably lax. This also explains the wholly avoidable and horrific twin Malaysia Airlines disasters in 2014. Between 2007 to 2009, Garuda Indonesia, and all other Indonesian carriers, were banned from entering all European Union nations due to lack of confidence with Indonesian air safety, standards and practices. Australia is just south of Indonesia and of SE Asia. Yet, Australian civil society is on a totally different level. This explains why Qantas is almost never spoken of with these air crash investigations documentaries. Australian pilots leave their amateurish SE Asian counterparts for dead, as all Australian pilots care about is safety. In Australian aviation, nothing else matters. Safety. 🦘🇦🇺

[@bytesizedkidgamer]

@@user-kc1tf7zm3bjust casually forget about Singapore Airlines i guess 😂

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@bytesizedkidgamer God Almighty! If a comprehensive catalogue of past Asian carrier failures, crashes and disasters was discussed, we would be here all day.

[@IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad]

​@@user-kc1tf7zm3bYes, safety is important. But, everything happens for a reason. Qantas, probably has really good maintance or something. On the other hand, other airlines could have bad maintance, or could crash due to pilot error. There are so many things that could haopen. Like, bad weather. I would like to say, Qantas is a really good airline. I would love to fly on it one day. Except im not Australian. So, i understand your 'thing' or whatever you call it. Safety is very important and developing is needed, but airlines can't make money with grounded planes. I apologize because I am not trying to start a fight/argue thing. Cheers!

[@user-kc1tf7zm3b]

@@IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad As a matter of fact, my friend’s father was the chief of all Qantas maintenance at Jet Base Sydney. I know the psyche of Qantas engineers, pilots and management. To put it bluntly, how European, American and Asian airlines conduct their businesses is just not good enough Down Under. Australians are truly fanatical. The English will promptly attest to this whenever the Commonwealth Games come around every 4 years.