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[@drstevenrey]

I just love Italian War Efforts. Big show, good food, then run away. Smart.

[@Clydesirota]

I agree.

[@paulgreen6980]

I wonder how brave you would be if sent to fight in a war no one wonted in your home land. If no one invades your lands and life is good why make war for a left wing, fascist pig. If you think your so brave look at how the Italian people fought in ww1 and when push came to shove when it became apparent how bad thing where getting as the german army was pushed back and started to fall back from Greece Italian army units hit back at the german troops. Ask my own country men from the RN how well the Italian Navy did when doing there best against the best navy at the time. The air force fought very well, were well trained with not the best equipment but made a fine job with the kit given to them. My Grandad fought against the Italian troops in North Africa and in Italy (he's now long past away) He told me how good Italians were when well lead and trained just as good as any other army.

[@stevep5408]

The bravery and sacrifice of the Maltese should never be forgotten!

[@TommygunNG]

10:36 point: The story of three Gloster Gladiator biplanes called Faith, Hope, and Charity being the lone defenders of Malta is a myth. Lesson learned.

[@geordiedog1749]

No it wasn't.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@geordiedog1749 well let's see. . . Historian, Author and Narrator Col. Walter Boyne says "It's a myth", sooo...

[@geordiedog1749]

@@jacobmccandles1767 I think I I meant to say it was a myth. There were, I think, 5five and two were used for spares and only two were ever ready at any one time.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@geordiedog1749 Ah, I see. I think the video said 6/18, but I don't remember.

[@wrongtrack6095]

Hurry with four 20MM in the wings and two 40MM on the center line. Now that's FIREPOWER. Love it.

[@dragonsword7370]

thats a one burst killer!

[@richardpelleritojr5247]

the 40s were under the wings one each under each wing, still damn good firepower though

[@jacobmccandles1767]

...if a bit hard to connect with.

[@c4nucksens8tion]

Thank you uploader! This is the one of the episodes I have never seen

[@rjscott6116]

Docu-Sim they weren't finished editing the video until recently. That's why you're just now seeing it.

[@billballbuster7186]

After this series was made it was revealed that the Germans were intercepting American reports on the British deployments in North Africa. Rommel had detailed knowledge of British movements and knew were to place his armour. The leak was discovered in July 1942 and Rommel never won another battle against the British.. Read the full story, check out Col Bonner Fellers US Army liaison in North Africa on Wiki.

[@RobbyHouseIV]

I've always had a special fondness for the Savoia-Marchetti S.79 Bomber. It's unique design makes it probably the best looking bomber of the war in my humble opinion. Of course it takes more than good looks for a fighter or bomber to be effective.

[@Countdown70s]

Re New Zealanders on Crete...General Freyberg VC ordered the fateful retreat which may have given the German's their critical opening. It is possible that if the German paras had been denied all 3 main airfields much longer, and they were being held until this point, then the invasion may have been smashed. What a filip to allied morale this would have been, as well as saving many further losses during the evacuation.

[@rudeone4life]

Very good! Finally a documentary that is well done and gives credit to Italian pilots.

[@secondthought2320]

Affirmative, they were a force to be recognized for their skills, but rarely spoken about!

[@rudeone4life]

I agree they are rarely spoken about at all here in Italy. Many Italians today don't even know what accomplishments they (Regia Aeronautica) achieved before and during the war.

[@redle0pard]

"Finally a documentary that is well done and gives credit to Italian pilots."..................Bravo!!! Documentaries like this are hard to find. How I would have loved to been back then and flown a G.55 Centauro!

[@rudeone4life]

***** Yeah I've interviewed 20 or so Italian pilots from WW-II (R.A. and A.N.R.). For the most part some preferred the G.55 a little bit more than the MC.205 and vice versa. Both were heavily armed and they loved that. Those who flew the Re.2005 loved that fighter as well perhaps a bit more than the other two but depends on their own opinion. So I can say that the 5 Series as they are known were all excellent aircraft that Italian pilots told me were an equal match to the P-51 and Spitfire.

[@redle0pard]

rudeone4life "some preferred the G.55 "......Did you know that both Egypt and Argentina used G.55s in their air forces after WW2? I recently got a book sent to me from Argentina concerning the subject. As you know, the Regia Aeronautica used the Bf109Gs which were my Favorite Versions of the 109 series. Of course the FW190 w/ the BMW 801 Radial Engine was my Favorite German Fighter. Would have been intersting to see Macchi or Fiat adapt that engine to their inline engine aircraft. The Japanese did that with the inline Ki-61 thus becoming the Ki-100 which was an outstanding aircraft comparable to the Ki-84.

[@drstevenrey]

The SIAI S.79 was so brutally Italian. Not just pretty good at its job, but also very good looking. As a many Italian aircraft designers said, if it looks good it will fly good.

[@jimbobjones1858]

Not a single mention of the South African Air Force, despite it making up a third of the Desert Air Force, contributing more than half of all the bombers and ALL of the Bostons (Douglas DB-7s)! The system of co-operation between army and air force fighter bombers known as "Cab Rank" was developed by Capt. David Heysham, SAAF.

[@scottyfox6376]

Commonwealth contributions are rarely acknowledged yet without us Great Britain wouldn't have withstood the Axis.

[@thunberbolttwo3953]

@@scottyfox6376 don't forget the French Dutch Polish and Czech pilots to.

[@sirsydneycamm1883]

@@Regard1ess - Can't see the term GB being used contemporaneously; British, then British Empire and Commonwealth troops was the norm. The Canadian, South African, Caribbean, Oz and NZ' servicemen were a minority to UK British who were majority English. English troops understood the concept very easily as they served with them. Then in SE Asia, they understood and experienced the absolutely huge numbers of Indian servicemen. It was all very clear at the time. It is your modern take to cross theatres and find averages that extremely few servicemen experienced and then make assumptions on their behalf that clouds the issue.

[@peterclark4685]

Weren't the Saffies flying for both sides? It was a real problem of identity for the Rooinek-hating Boers.

[@thunberbolttwo3953]

@@peterclark4685 actually south Africa only fought for tjhr british and dutch.Since the germans occupied Holland.No they didn't fight for germany at all.

[@wayvicle]

Great to see some Italian aircraft

[@redle0pard]

Agreed; Bravo!

[@sidwalters7455]

The Italians made the most beautiful aircraft in my opinion

[@markskifairer5756]

Excellent video series. Thank you for the upload.

[@kyleclark7947]

How is it that when the Russians flew the p39 bell supercobra it competed just fine, but when we flew it in north Africa it couldn't?

[@towgod7985]

Exceptionally well done.

[@chandarsundaram1394]

Good Ctitique of Monty hogging all the credit, but ludicrous footage of Tiger IIs, which were unducted only in late 1944, by which time the North African campaign was long over at 10: 34.

[@flycatchful]

Air campaigns in the past were faught by the numbers. The Germans and Italians lacked this from the start. The rest is history.

[@kylabinghay3277]

Well in The battle of Britain The germans had more planes than The brits but after that it was all downhill for The germans and even if it had matched allied production of planes its airforce was spread too thin because Germany was fighting on many fronts against Two much larger countries USSR and U.S.A plus an Empire GB. Still it took The allies almost 4 years to beat Germany

[@Ash-ey9oy]

Didn't help Hitler wanted cities bombed instead of airfields almost destroyed the RAF.

[@scottleft3672]

For the previous vid...no'4...if missing, go to Clash of Wings.

[@oneilluminatus]

I love those Italian war birds...

[@drjerry5389]

+oneilluminatus The Italians made the mistake of manufacturing 8 different fighters instead of doing like the Germans and Brits and chose 2 of their best fighters the C-202 and C-205. The C-205 fighter, an outgrowth of the earlier C.202 Folgore (“Thunderbolt”), was fast, well-designed, and good enough that admiring German pilots formed a squadron with them. Thank God Italian manufacturers were poorly led by Mussolini.If Italy had waited until 1942 to 43 to declare war on the allies, the allied would have had serious problems.

[@Ash-ey9oy]

@@drjerry5389 thanks for the info on that,, can't say i know much about Italy in WW2.

[@wrongtrack6095]

P-39, couldn't hold its own against German fighters! (45:09). Russian pilots didn't seem to agree with that statement. I'ts the pilot that is at least 50% of the equation.

[@sirxavior1583]

Its probably because its a different theater of operations and the Airacobra's strengths weren't maximized with US pilots who had a different requirement. The US 8th Air force would have probably needed a dedicated Figher not a "multi role aircraft" as the P-39. Notice how the P-39 is similar to the Sturmovik which also served well in Russia.

[@wrongtrack6095]

I may be wrong but the Soviets used the P-39 and P-400 as fighters also. I believe they utilized the King Cobra near the end of the war also which did have good high altitude performance.

[@wrongtrack6095]

My point exactly, The Russians were able to use the P-39 to defeat other aircraft and the US couldn't.

[@sirxavior1583]

@Wrong Track. So based on your argument WWII Russian Pilot were better trained then US and Western pilots because the US 8th Air force couldn't utilize the Air-Cobra?. Even thought US and Allied Pilots were well respected and sometimes feared by Russian Pilots until the Korean War. My argument was since the Air War was more intense in the West because the Luftwaffe was more hard pressed to defend there airspace from the RAF and 8th Air Force bombers. The Air Cobra didn't fit well because they needed either a dedicated fighter to defend the bombers or a bomber to destroy the factories, not a multi role aircraft such as the Air Cobra. The Air Cobra fit well in Russia because the best fighter units would have been sent to the West and at the same time the Red Air force was improving. So the quality of German Pilots in Russia was declining and the quality of the Russian pilots was improving to the point were the Red Air force became very professional. So its nothing to do with the Aircraft its just the tactics and timing. The USAF would say the Navy F-18 Hornets suck and the Navy would say the F-16 sucks, the reality is both utilize there aircraft differently the same with the P-39 Aircobra and the way it was used in Russia vs in the West. The P-39 is no doubt and interesting aircraft that suffers from a bad reputation.

[@petesampson4273]

I realize that I'm late to the party but I would like to clear some things up. While the first American pilots in P-39s were lacking in experience so were most Russian pilots entering P-39s. The really big difference was that the P-39s at the start of the Pacific war were being used as interceptors of Japanese planes at fairly high altitudes. So, they were operating at a disadvantage in altitude and well above their best fighting altitude. Had the AVG received P-39s instead of P-40s I think Chennault would have had similar success. The 39 and the 40 were both very effective when flown by competent pilots trained to use the strengths of their aircraft. Both were comparable in speed and maneuverability to the Bf-109 at lower altitudes, they were more rugged and carried a heavier load, they had higher diving speeds, and both had excellent rates of roll at high speed unlike the 109, the Zero, or even the Spitfire. While Americans didn't emphasize turning ability the way other countries did they did insist on controls that operated throughout the flight envelope and pilots from both sides cite that as a major advantage. Most American fighters held this advantage over most other fighters. If you can find a copy of "Thunderbolt!" by Robert Johnson; he has a great description of flying mock dogfights against a Spitfire while flying a P-47 both with and without the "paddle blade" prop. The P-38, before the boosted ailerons, was the one American fighter that suffered in rate of roll so it suffered against the German fighters that could match its speed. Cheers!

[@jameswebb4593]

Never completely believe any American film about WW2. The USN can be thanked for saving Malta by making two deliveries of Spitfires from the USS Wasp Aircrft carrier. The first wave were destroyed on the ground as soon as they landed. With the replacements the RAF had a backup plan , when a Spit landed a fresh pilot took over whilst the aircraft was refueled and gave air cover . It worked perfectly and Malta was never again under threat. The Lockhead P 38 Lightning suffered heavy losses against the ME 109's , in two engagements against the 109's in late 1943 the score was 23-1 for the Germans . The Germans are often praised beyond their actual achievements and considered to be the masters of strategy. Their best ideas sometimes come from the enemy. Good example is Blitzkrieg tactics , attributed to General Heinz Guderian. Truth is that he got the idea from a book written after WW1 by Major General J.F.C.Fuller about the use of armour . Which was the lessons learnt from the battle of Cambrai , France on 20/11/1917 . There is real History and Hollywoods version, and never the twain will meet.

[@scottyfox6376]

Turn & burn fighters were dominated by the boom & zoom fighters as the war progressed.

[@bjrnarestlen1234]

Nice to see a documentary with a person who actually can pronounce the names of non-english equipment :)

[@rogerpattube]

Makes one overlook his English blunders like the 'b' in 'bomber' and 'Maalta'.

[@peterclark4685]

There was no cooperation because of warlordism. A human weakness to the point that it is the bane of all human activity. It started to improve for the British in WW2 when their pre-war generals all got 'promoted' out of harm's way. Marshall was ruthless with Theatre Commanders in the first months after Pearl Harbour. Kimmel's lack of initiative probably set him off. Stalin's purges were just what their military needed too. Believe it or not. New blood, new minds, bugger all political ability. The British Navy never learned that lesson so of course it took them 4 years to turn the corner in the North Atlantic and to get to that they still had to rely on another nation's thinking.

[@rcwagon]

Yeah, Marshall worked hard to get rid of people like Chennault. He only partially lost that battle. In an ironic twist, he helped get rid of Stilwell by sending him to China.

[@robertchance7797]

Funny! In all the world war two documentaries I've watched this is the only one that talks about the great Italian air force. If they were so great how come they got shot out of the skies?

[@matteo4096]

You should study more

[@Bert2368]

Because, compare Italian industrial base with USA? "Quantity has a quality of its own".

[@carmenopramolla5262]

The footage used is from British documentaries and so the Italian footage.

[@stevep5408]

Because it would conflict with the narrative of Italian incompetence. Italian soldiers fought along side German troops. Italian leadership was a large part of the problem.

[@jamesm.taylor6928]

It is amazing from todays prospective why the allies didnt try to copy the Germans examples of combined arms operations as they obviously worked so well. This failure is even more confuseing when you consider that some aspects of German operations were eagerly adopted as quickly as possible. Some, like with Tank tactics, where begining to be adopted even before the war as Generals such as Patton read the writeings of german greats like Guderian and Rommel. But in other areas it seems it was a real struggle even after proven highly successfull. In other areas too its confuseing. The DeHavalind Mosquito bomber carried the same bomb load as the B17, flew more than twice as fast meaning technocally two missions could be flown for every one by B17s, required less critical war materials to build, wood for the airframe and only 2 versus 4 engines meaning easier on logistics as well, risk only 2 crew versus 10 on the B17 and the mosquito proved far more accurate and had the best survival rate of any combat aircraft even though it flew the most hazordous missions regularly. Why america didnt mass produce them by license and use those instead of the B17 is an open question. Three quarters to twice the bomb tonnage could have been dropped with far less american airmen lost. I think it all boils down to being politics. Politics played a huge roll throughout the war from first minute to the last.

[@Bert2368]

There has always been a huge problem with "not invented here" syndrome in USA military procurement. Why we had to have the .308/7.62 cal for battle rifles and the M14 - M1A rifles instead of a British developed 6.5mm cartridge and the 6.5mm version of the FAL. Etc., etc...

[@chipaultman3563]

James M. Taylor we copied their NCO philosophy from WW1 giving sgts more power. That won us the war.

[@ModemMT]

Yea, I was gunna say that the Mossie was easily one of, if not the best fighter bombers of the war. The US tend to be high and mighty and very prideful of itself and I’m sure that was the case back then. To license build a Non-American design for mass use must’ve seemed like blasphemy at the time

[@garykarr3948]

It was a natural progression from before then until now. That was an obvious step from bigger to the smaller ones of today.

[@stephencrowther524]

Note gunshot sounds added to target practice with English Webley air pistol ! ( about 9:18/20 )

[@rcwagon]

How about those new Tiger tanks in Africa (oops (about 36:10 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHjMqGiCpJWbrsk ), they showed King Tigers in Germany just before the battle of the bulge).

[@IanMellows]

The Italians had to ask for help from the Luftwaffe to defeat the massive continent of Malta !!!

[@rjscott6116]

Ian Mellows Thank you!!!

[@mochiam]

samsung galaxy ad stole 15 seconds of my life

[@claudeworthan2898]

mochiam la1

[@claudeworthan2898]

mochiam

[@AngryHatter]

Gorgeous aircraft.

[@Ash-ey9oy]

Just something about watching them, , compared to jet fighters.

[@robtob360]

there's no number 6?

[@petegeiger8871]

What happened to 04 of 13!? These is public domain doc's, there should be no copyright issue!!

[@fookdatchit4245]

Clash of Wings 04 Wings of the rising sun, this works if you haven't seen it already, just watched 2 hours ago

[@victorsingh878]

Mama Galzari flew for the Italian airforce

[@briancomley8210]

Can anyone explain to me why submarines weren't used for the supply of Malta, true they couldn't carry as much as ships, but the ships were being sunk so not much was getting through anyway, thousands of lives, along with ships were lost trying to get much needed supplies to them.

[@davemacnicol8404]

the brits didnt have many. parity with Germany early in the war which wasn't more than 100. And they used them specifically for fleet scouts and thus the Admirals would've had an English cow if they were taken from the Western approaches command, and others I'm sure. It is strange to me that they weren't used more in counter-ASW, hunter-killer type stuff we did later. the brits I think still had a dirty view of submarines, or submersibles. Its hard to even find a decent documentary about the service in either war.

[@lowersaxon]

His Italien is brilliant.

[@28ebdh3udnav]

About time Italy gets some credit. Italians put up a great defense. Their defense was so great that Montgomery attacked Rommel instead.

[@rcwagon]

Records of those who fought Italians give great credit to the Italian soldiers and airmen, and great blame to the Italian officers.

[@ursus9104]

Not a chance that Brits won El Alamein and the Desert war. It was the Commonwelths India, Anzac, South African, French and last but not least the Polish army who have the doubtful honor of serving as cannon fodder while the British over class officer had their tea in secure shelters. BirHakim where the French foreign legion fought to the last man and Tobruk where the Polish army likewise fought bravely to the end. There in fact very few brits on the ground and the same it was in the Air where the South Africans took heavy casualties with old crappy planes from Britain. One must also mention the formidable Africa Corps tactical war fare not at least the famous battle of the Kesselrine pass in Tunisia were the Americans have their baptism of ofre in the Desert war. The German ace Hans-Jochim Marseillewith more than 70 victories over the skys of Libya as well as brave italians who fought with great courage with outmoded equipment.

[@victor-uranium]

The hundreds of thousands of British troops who fought in North Africa and the Mediterranean would disagree with you. The SAS who destroyed hundreds of planes on the ground would also. The British destroyed the whole Italian army in the desert without the help of America. The whole war would of been lost if it hadn't of been for the British making a stand against Hitler in 1939/40. Oh and the Hurricane and Spitfires were not 'crappy planes'.

[@wor53lg50]

Go suck ya nan ya anglophobe early woke wanka....

[@msgfrmdaactionman3000]

This show is from the 90s yet they don't mention the Ultra intelligence allowing the Allies to massacre the Germans.

[@alswann2702]

I thought l hated Brits as narrators. This eye time's killin me. 9:55 and I'm done.

[@wor53lg50]

See ya...

[@SabraStiehl]

As you're likely aware, the Germans, outnumbered 2 to 1 in the battle for Crete, could easily have lost. A New Zealander, a lieutenant uncertain concerning his orders ordered a retreat from the airfield that if he and his men had remained could likely not have been taken by the Germans, which would have prevented the Ju-52s from landing and likely caused a German defeat.

[@davec5153]

I thought it was a german engine the Italians were using.

[@carmenopramolla5262]

The usage of British documentary programmes (sliced up to fit this narrative) is what makes this series to be of visual only interest. The Boyd narrative's definite opinions are quite weak and do seem to fit a lower school classroom audience.

[@gregbolitho9775]

nice work those italians, when they got to the right side ;)

[@krispybacon9285]

ah 2012, we thought the world would end thanks to mayans. also uploading in 360p wasnt considered a complete dick move

[@sambutler2277]

😆😋

[@ssyphoniss]

warthunder.com

[@garyshepherd9367]

What a poncey pronunciation of Rommel👎

[@simonhawker9277]

American petty rivalry with Monty was and is pathetic. Too small to rise above his personality problems to tackle the bigger job. Is this just yet another case of American friendly fire.a petulant struggle for credit or glory.like children in a pre school yard.bickering over who won the war.