Discussion on MythVision Podcast (James Tour Debate - Featuring Aron Ra)

Dave appears on the MythVision podcast to discuss his recent debate with James Tour.
Originally streamed 5/31/23 on the MythVision channel: • Abiogenesis Debate Rev...
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[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

Nothing like Aron's iconic "Shut up dog" as the opening to a video

[@LMLR187]

Very Eustace Baggs of him.

[@hollxws]

I played the first 3 seconds back 5 times and laughed like a toddler each time

[@alisaurus4224]

Just watched his Noah’s Ark series last night, and the first video ends with “SHUT UP, BIRD”

[@seionne85]

​@@raya.p.l5919liar

[@seionne85]

I think everyone at this point should know, when you invite Aron, there's going to be animal noises 🤣

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

Honestly as a retired professor myself I have never seen an academic behave as childishly as Tour in that debate. Rice is supporting that insane psycho who thinks holding chalk and yelling “clueless” equals scientific inquiry. He’s also lying to undergrads, which is quite creepy. Bravo to Dave for staying sane during that mess!

[@sotecluxan4221]

Olala, did not watch that, not worth my time.

[@CaptFoster5]

I take it your chosen KZbin name is a Supernatural TV show reference?

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

From your perspective, is it negligent of Rice +/or Tour when he says repeatedly he counsels his students NOT to enter the OoL field? & that Rice lets him accuse people like Lee Cronin of being a scammer? I'm surprised the university lets him get away with either or both behaviours, along with what you point out.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@sotecluxan4221 Yet you are commenting? Why?

[@purplefood1]

​@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426they're sharing their particular thoughts on the 'debate'

[@CarlosTehJackal]

I watched the debate and initially, I thought Dave was a little too on the nose with calling Tour a liar. But as the debate went on it was clear to me that the audience needed to understand that their man was incapable of telling the truth about the subject. Tour was a crybaby who just kept doubling down on his lies. Great debate, Dave.

[@Nirual86]

It clearly was the only viable approach whatsoever. Sure it would've been nice to have more of a proper debate but it wasn't going to happen. He even tried to bring up relevant points like Systems Chemistry and Tour just refused to accept and went right back to his script.

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

​@@Nirual86you can't debate when the moderator is not only ignorant, but on the other side.

[@Nirual86]

@@antediluvianatheist5262 that obviously doesn't help either ofc but Tour's behaviour was the biggest issue by far.

[@RichardRoy2]

I'd seen so many of Dave's video's that lead up to the debate, and, when you do, you know that Dave knows he's not going to convince Tour, as Tour was not an honest interlocutor in the tiniest sense. Dave came as prepared as he could knowing he was facing someone who was just dancing to his base, and simply attempted to expose that fact by showing the pattern, knowing his work would stand scrutiny by those who were actually knowledgeable on the subject. I thought Dave did a great job, given this situation.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

cry-bully is a great term for Tour.

[@CatDaddyGuitar]

I heard a quote from Seth Andrews from an anonymous source, "Whenever an honest man discovers that he's mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or he will cease to be honest." Tour has never been honest.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i find it odd that he's quite happy for nature to be doing _this_ bit of the process, but then the _next_ bit requires god cos it's soooo complex, and then nature can take over again after....and as always what it amounts to is "god picked a really complex process that was unlikely to achieve his desired result" it's stupid to argue things are too complicated for nature.

[@RichardRoy2]

The funniest part was where Tour points out that Dave is reading. But that there should give us a clue as to why he's not up on the latest science: he wont read it. I wonder if he tells his students not to read.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Good point. Like he tells his students not to enter the OoL field. Yeah, I'm shocked there hasn't been more focus on how much he harms his students with his obsessions. I have a feeling that could + should be a video all its own.

[@RichardRoy2]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 With all the conservatives losing their minds over so called "grooming," this is simply another example of them projecting their own behavior onto others as we watch people like Tour performing precisely what they are accusing others of doing.

[@Michael-sb8jf]

You can't have a video with Aron Ra without an animal hijack

[@WredFawks]

Aron: *gets on stream* Dog: It's time to sing the song of my people.

[@sammavitae114]

Very clear that it’s the hound of heaven trying to bring Aron to the truth.

[@f.u.m.o.5669]

@@sammavitae114That the Lizard people are guarding us from the outside word, where living pyromaniac dinosaurs live.

[@oxcart4172]

I look forward to them!

[@DrOmar11]

I briefly explain how totally wrong headed Dave and Aaron Ra are on evolution

[@Josh-ch3nv]

I just realized that is not a window behind Aron. Lots of terrariums.

[@diemwing]

yup, he has snakes. Lots of snakes

[@broccieboi]

​@@diemwingI

[@jacobsteele1178]

Lol u just made me realize that

[@jcnot9712]

Must be those spectroscopy containers flat earth dave talked so much about 😂

[@kidslovesatan34]

Sneks!

[@breadfan7433]

Damn, Aron Ra and Professor Dave together, and it's not even my birthday. Wow, the Flying Spaghetti Monster must really love me.

[@rembrandt972ify]

He boiled for you.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Happy birthday, prematurely/late/whenever it comes, then...remember FSM brought you Aron's creatures too! Don't forget to make a wish for your year, one for every hole in the colander!

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@rembrandt972ify my Creamy Saucy Saviour😇

[@SaintD382]

R'amen to that, brother!

[@dethspud]

Tour's motto seems to be... "if you can't be right be wrong at the top of your lungs"

[@tradertemmie8545]

Dave sounds so tired of this. We’re all immensely grateful for his patience in teaching everyone about evolution on every scale and debunking that which it’s both inane and deliberately dishonest. Much love to you all, stay safe and hydrated out there.

[@TheseNuts2]

James kept lying after being corrected, the friendly conversation ended at that point.

[@Venksama]

Dave, I've been enjoying your hilarious Twitter responses to the DI fools. When will your next debunk come out?

[@hollxws]

I wanna check out his twitter but the app is so fucking broken i cant do shit

[@kingmenelaus7083]

What's his Twitter? I didn't find a link on his channel

[@Nanomusheens]

​@@kingmenelaus7083daveexplains I'm reading the arguments with the virus deniers now

[@kingmenelaus7083]

@@Nanomusheens found him, thanks homie

[@a_plastic_bag]

My god, reading through some of the replies for his tweets just makes me want to die. How can people be so utterly dumb to believe that viruses are fake? If it's so fake, why don't they go infect themselves with malaria? It's not real, so it can't hurt them, right?

[@boredumbsleepyhead]

Thanks for introducing me to Aron! His videos are amazing and inspiring

[@andrewlockett4569]

Haha, you've got thousands of hours of Ra magic weaving ( sic ) to negotiate yet 😎

[@HNH421]

you should not , watch his videos - he is trying to trick you, into believing in dinosaurs L0Lz

[@keypey8256]

@@HNH421 why would I not think dinosaurs exist if there is so much evidence supporting the claim?

[@HNH421]

@@keypey8256 prove that god did not put the bones in the rock when he created them 5000 years ago

[@keypey8256]

@@HNH421 I can prove that dinosaurs didn't exist 5000 years ago. Would that be enough?

[@thekwjiboo]

You needed to have a maniac screaming in front of a chalkboard, just for the proper ambiance.

[@dogwalker666]

Yeah when James went full Karen in front of the Blackboard was hilarious.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Oh geez that'd be hilarious to put fake binaural beats under it, sample his screaming, & throw some effects on it to satirize & call it "Relax with Tour ASMR Cosmic Binaural"🤣 I wish I had the skills

[@Hares_Pit]

I loved when Dr. LeQuack said "This is my first debate." Yeah, it shows.

[@godofmath1039]

*Mr. LeQuack. He's a "doctor" that's completely undeserving of a PhD.

[@ImNotLuthien]

You don't need experience to get good at debates. The arguments will hold by themselves if they have evidence and reason. Watching Peterson vs Matt is like looking at 2 toddlers arguing. At this point debates are just ego competitions. Besides nobody is that open to a change of mind. If you are a scientist and you are telling facts that should be enough and people can think about what you just said, but at the moment the debate starts to get ideology in it it's just an ego showdown.

[@OceanusHelios]

As a person with a degree in Molecular Biology and Chemistry and also having spend an enormous amount of time in Mammalian Physiology and Cell Biology...it is a joy to see these kinds of things brought up in the debate.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

as a person with an art degree in art and drawing stuff, and also having spent an enormous amount of time in halo and assassin's creed, it is a joy to see folks like tour shouting childishly as if a piece of performance art.

[@acunit5627]

29:05 LMFAOO Aron saying shut up to his dogs 😂😂😂😂

[@lostfan5054]

Love Mythvision!! Love Prof Dave! And AronRa

[@Cheepchipsable]

Derek shills too hard for my liking.

[@popinjayackroyd4526]

This is why live debates are generally not that good any more. If you have a dishonest actor, it takes times to do the research to demonstrate a lie. That's why I think debates where people have time to submit video responses back and forth are more productive than live debates.

[@temari2860]

Not sure, because many (if not most) people will only stay on one side and only see the entire debates through one person, who can of course make it look like they're winning no matter what. In face-to-face debates both audiences have to face each other and hear the arguments whether they want to or not.

[@popinjayackroyd4526]

@@temari2860 I didn't mean the idea of going through just one person, but presenting a case with time to research and then receiving a like response. You could still have debate rules---e.g. every response is posted, length limits, etc. The issue I have with live debates is that it is much easier to make up BS than it is to debunk it. It takes time to do the research to debunk a thing. Also, it seems to reward quick-wittedness and on-the-spot charisma over the actual arguments for a position. In the past, such person-to-person debates were much more beneficial in a relative sense because the research was much more time-consuming. So the best option for the public was to have two real experts who have more facts than everybody else at their disposal present them in good faith. But now, research is easier. A video response could come quickly and still involve research and even links so that those viewing can fact-check the sources.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

The big problem was the moderator. When Dave called James out, the moderator should have said 'the court will wait for an answer'.

[@popinjayackroyd4526]

@@captainkong But people can change their minds. One of my favorite cases was this one. Fry and Hitchens not only clearly won this debate, but the audience polled before and after drastically changed their views. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIu1lIyXdr6KnZY&ab_channel=IntelligenceSquared

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@wefinishthisnow3883 hoped someone would dig into the moderator more. He didn't seem to understand the event, the rules, the science, the personal dynamics, moderation...bewildering choice.

[@Moribus_Artibus]

"a bunch of molecules get together to become a bunch of slithering creatures" 🤣

[@jonathanpicket124]

This was so fun to rewatch! Thanks for posting!

[@philohan95]

Im pretty sure the reason of the chalk board was to have Dave draw some chemicals from memory and hope for a small mistake and draw the "He's just following a script"-card.

[@alisaurus4224]

That, and to use up Dave’s time drawing complicated diagrams that almost none of the audience understands anyway

[@TheMoonRulesNo1]

I appreciate that Aron was at the debate. Arguably one of the better folks to have in your corner, in person.

[@VioletKayVlogs]

LOVE your videos

[@montyjay6ix601]

I can't believe this doesn't have more views. You guys need to repost this.

[@thetboys9809]

I love these podcast videos!

[@AFluffyBunny4]

Thanks!

[@49perfectss]

Dave's strong rhetoric is good for theists like I used to be. The more gentle you are the more I was taught to think of that as intellectual weaknesses. Again great job Dave!

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Thanks for saying this from your perspective. I'm frustrated by people over-focusing on tone (just from Dave, tho!).

[@49perfectss]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Yeah a lot of people call him out when he was calm the entire time while not mentioning the degree to which James was a screeching toddler for an hour if not more. Kinda not seeing the full picture of how Dave drove James into acting like that with a smile on his face lol

[@Cheepchipsable]

You don't have to be"gentle", but getting everyone offside by calling people name off the bat won't win anyone over. How much better would it have been if Dave was civil because Tour still would have lost his shit and no one would be talking about what Dave did. Never heard anyone call Dave out for being calm - do these people not know how debates are meant to be conducted? Generally speaking remaining calm is a win.

[@jonathankennedy1963]

Still waiting on that Jonathan Wells video. Keep up the great work! ❤

[@Wafflbaum]

Oh yay, now I have an excuse to watch this discussion again! Btw, why is there usually such a big gap between the original release of these videos on their channel and the reupload on here?

[@asorlokirunarsson9864]

Probably so the host and maker of the video gets most of the views. If they release at the same time then they split the views because most viewers would only watch one video once

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Yeah to give them time with it, and also I did a bunch of these right after the debate and it's better to spread them out.

[@Wafflbaum]

Ah, that makes sense.

[@DrBear-rk4qb]

I'm getting really tired of the tone policing of Dave, even the subtler tone policing, "That's not how I would have done it." For one thing, Tour was constantly screaming and lying during the debate, and I'm frankly impressed that Dave stayed as calm and poised as he did under those circumstances. Second, Tour and his followers are ideologically driven to remain willfully ignorant on OoL research. If calm, purely research-base discourse was an effective way to convince this crowd, then they would have already been convinced by the thousands of researchers doing amazing work every day in the OoL field. No, this crowd needs to be shocked out of their willful ignorance; it's the only thing that might get them to realize how inappropriately and embarrassingly they are behaving. Keep up the good work, Dave. 💪🧑‍🔬

[@Trombi01]

I do have to ask, do you know anybody who got "shocked out of willful ignorance"?

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

THANK YOU.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@Trombi01 Yes, I know at least 3 people who in different ways did. You probably do too, you just haven't thought deeply about it.

[@Trombi01]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Would you like to give an example?

[@elsawithginathedreamdragon3952]

@@Trombi01 I heard a story of a person who lived in the southern Hemisphere, and traveled to the USA to meet some friends. He had a whole mind-blown core-shaking moment when he saw the full moon appeared “flipped”. He nearly fell over from staring up for so long. He described how that moment really made him “feel”/realize the Earth was a globe. (He was also the one who posted the story).

[@secularidiot9052]

Hey Dave, do you ever plan on doing an anthropology series with Gutsick Gibbon? I assume you are aware of her channel, but if not she's a PhD student working in primatology who does similar content to yours (systematic debunks and indepth educational videos)

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Yes she already wrote the scripts! I will start working on it soon.

[@dogwalker666]

​@@ProfessorDaveExplainsthat will be amazing.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

​@@ProfessorDaveExplainsthis will be EPIC

[@secularidiot9052]

@@albertomartinez714 Nah, Erika is insanely intelligent and would be a far better creator to collaborate with for educational purposes, especially since anthropology is the field she specializes in. And please, we're supposed to act professionally when it comes to science. Keep your misogynistic and racial biases out of scientific discussions.

[@irenafarm]

Omg I can’t wait. Love, a 50 yr old former YEC now trying to get a biology degree

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I'd just like to point out for anyone newly arriving that while it may not appear so at first, Dave treats James with every bit of respect he deserves and much, much, more. Liars should be mocked and ridiculed so that everyone strives to not be considered one.

[@BoneySkylord]

Two of my most favourite KZbinrs! 😃❤️

[@sonyadonnegan1983]

MR FARINA! HERE GO GO GO GO GO GO GO!!! *waves yellow chalk like a maniac*

[@judeboys6409]

Dave I like your style of debate. Good on ya mate. 😅. Keep on keeping on ..

[@2ahdcat]

Tour was such an immature child in that "debate". Ranting and raving for no real reason...

[@alisaurus4224]

I could sort of understand if Tour was flustered by the debate format when he’s used to one-way lectures, EXCEPT he does the same shouty thing in his own solo videos! It’s his only technique when he cannot prove a point; he starts yelling “CLUELESS!” as if volume correlated to veracity.

[@daymanfighterofthenightman]

This is gonna be dope

[@wiktorutracki6469]

Great discussion. And yeah I agree that inflammatory language (however true) put the recipients in defensive mode and they cannot consider the arguments they immediately start defending themselves.

[@MagicPlants]

Dave had every right to treat them exactly how he did. Been a fan of Aron since 2007 KZbin and instant Dave fan in 2020 or so when ScimanDan and him were battling FlatEarth. Excellent job!

[@damianferr390]

That sounds like he indeed did something unrightfull.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@damianferr390 dave was right alrighty. mighty righty alrighty.

[@azazelsiad3601]

Man when Aron smiles while pouring his beer I couldn’t help but get the maniacal Disney villain vibe from it lol. I love him.

[@HNH421]

of course he is a villain !!! only someone truly , evil' would believe in dinosaurs L0Lz

[@azazelsiad3601]

@@HNH421 I can’t tell if your serious or if your being sarcastic. If your serious I don’t have time for you if you aren’t that shit is hilarious lol.

[@HNH421]

@@azazelsiad3601 the dinosaurs that are very small , are far away.

[@jpdicey789]

Picturing Captain Hook aren't you? Lol

[@skyshatter3633]

i really like his mug tho it looks damn amazing

[@Tsumami__]

The dog bark as the opener lmao

[@galileog8945]

I am still waiting for James Tour to explain to us how soap really works...It's been two years! I suppose he is still researching this topic.

[@andydonnelly8677]

Calling out bullshit and bullshitters on KZbin is one of Dave's talents, not having as much talent myself I'm watching the one's who do.😁👍

[@evadeflow]

I’m delighted that Dave calls out liars like James Tour, decorum be damned. Character assassination is the _entire point_ of ‘debating’ somebody like him. He deserved everything Dave did to him, it was a pleasure to watch. 🍿

[@marknieuweboer8099]

Agreed. The characters of proven liars like JimmyT deserve - and when as prominent as he: nééd - to be destroyed.

[@FlyingSpaghettiJesus]

@@marknieuweboer8099Bingo! 🎯

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Agreed. It's disappointing how much tone policing is being done. Esp on unequal terms. I don't hear many people on either side talking about how rude + mean Tour was to Dave, yet he's been awful, & Dave has supporters worrying about harshness on the debunk side. It's a red herring. I like the way Dave argues, & I'm for civility when someone is being civil back. Lying, yelling, reputation-destroying, deliberately steering people away from the truth, trying to bully your religion's way into non-religious fields, dehumanization of opposing perspectives --- none of that is civil, & Dave's approach is warranted. The gift Tour gave him was a dominance move obvious to anyone who's been watching all the videos as this progressed. If you go back & watch his first video on Tour, Dave gives him so much benefit of the doubt, it's amazing to watch in hindsight how willing he was to give Tour grace. Tour proceeded to violently shred any splinter of goodwill or illusion of acting in good faith. Dave's responded according to Tour's provocations + escalations. As a culture, we need to learn how not to be manipulated by cheap appeals to politeness when the end goal of an argument is absurd or authoritarian or destructive lies --- they deserve scorn + outrage.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 tour wore a tie, dave did not.

[@adako25]

Not many people can make science this entertaining. 😄 Thanks guys!

[@ianlee5812]

Have you heard of the channel Professor Adam Teaches? It's a channel that discusses inorganic chemistry and coordination chemistry in terms of group theory. It also talks about how to use computational chemistry programs like GAMESS and ChemCompute. I think it's a great and very informative channel even if the name sounds way too similar. I learned how to use GAMESS and Avogadro from him.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Dave's a genre pioneer, not surprised other educators are taking inspiration from his practices. The science communicators I know personally are all really overworked & usually appreciate others who do what they do, as long as they do it well & aren't plagiarizing. There's lots of room in the field & Dave stands out regardless. Unless Adam's copying his material or not on the way to finding his own style, I don't see a problem. The name similarity could be as much an homage to Dave or to signal he's in Dave's genre as anything else. It's not a bad move, & you seem to have had good experiences with his material. I guess I'm trying to parse your comment for why it's here? Do you want to let others know there's another good channel to follow, are you worried he's too close to Dave's channel, or are you suggesting a collab, or that they could coordinate material sometimes to save doubling up on work?

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Dave invented the educational video?

[@thedragonslayer8132]

Took a break from Twitter? Watching you expose con men and dunk on idiots is gold.

[@Clozilla-py2gt]

Gm Dave

[@OceanusHelios]

Definitely siding with Dave on how he handled the debate. I would have done it the same way. So tired of "these rules for thee but not for me" in the case of theists. Crybullies every time. I strongly support giving people a piece of their own medicine.

[@Greg501-]

Some wisdom from one of my science professors: "Science has nothing to say about God."

[@marknieuweboer8099]

The problem is rather that way too many believers think that their god send them to say something about science.

[@holof443]

My dog loved that intro

[@robwright8949]

One of my favorite parts of the debate was listening to the audience gasps whenever Dave swore.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Which was one time.

[@robwright8949]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Oh really? I'll have to rewatch it then, because I thought they reacted every time. Still, pretty funny!

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

@@robwright8949 I only swore once, but they did gasp like toddlers and an older woman left.

[@robwright8949]

@ProfessorDaveExplains HA! Wow. It's amazing you can nail their savior to wood, but we draw the line at "hurtful" dialogue. Amazing

[@johnhall9476]

I have nearly always found that when some-one starts shouting means they know they have lost the argument and are getting frustrated because the other person wont believe their shit

[@thomasgallipoli8376]

I truly appreciate Dave, Aron, and Derek but I can’t stomach this anymore. I’m sorry

[@WillPhil290]

The young earth creation Channel just put out a video called "Demolishing Dave"... the comments are absolutely ridiculous and I'm shocked they havnt been turned off lol

[@TheIronicRaven]

Aron, I wish I was a believer so I could have you go through the evidence of evolution and blow my mind! I absolutely love your series on the evidence for evolution, sadly I was no longer not a believer in evolution by then (believed in it since middle school haha) but you did such great work on it! One of my favorite series, my only critique is that its too short lol. Dave, it was so great to see you debate live! I know you had a difficult task, and it was very rough in the beginning, but you absolutely knocked it out of the park in the last half. Your series on KZbin are so expertly done and I've learned so much from you, both in learning new things and learning things to counter the misinformation out there (my fav was the Astrology episode) You both are great and keep up the amazing work!

[@mavisesdalgasi]

what's better than a legend? two legends combined!

[@jdarmin]

aron talking about "attack the lie, not the person" is rich

[@thewatcher6312]

An updated debunk on anti vaxxers would be awesome!

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

There's gotta be an RFK Jr video soon, now that he's so visible, I bet Prof Dave's working on a response to his Rogan appearance. Or I hope so!

[@sirlancair]

Debunk of anti vaxxers is telling of your credibity..and your followers

[@jimkoss3318]

This starts out as a discussion on the debate. Turns into a general discussion. Three very interesting and intelligent speakers. Aaron does like to hear himself.

[@jonnawyatt]

Who is Aaron?

[@terminusest5902]

Religion a behavioural instinct through genetics. This is easily understood by many people. Many religious can not understand a world without Gods or other beliefs. Religion can be very calming for many people who can not understand how the world works.

[@fernlovebond]

That whole debate was a demonstration of how problematic the BS asymmetry principle can be.

[@johnfox9169]

I admire ALL 3 of you. Special admiration to Aron for being a dog man!!

[@louisjov]

I think the important point that Aron was trying to make about winning over the audience, is that the audience that were there in person are not going to change their minds, that is almost definitely true But it's not just people who are there in person that are watching the debate. It's everybody on the internet and everybody that watches it in the future, people who are on Dave's side people who are on Tour's side, and people who are genuine fence sitters. I understand that being respectful towards hecklers is difficult but it makes you look like the bigger person and it makes people who are skeptical of your worldview, subconsciously more willing to listen to your arguments. Even if you don't change their minds entirely, no one changes their minds overnight, and if showing them genuine respect, even when they're not showing you genuine respect gets them to concede a small point that you make, then that is a foot in the door to getting them to eventually change their mind, or at least be less extreme in their beliefs. Do the hecklers deserve respect? Absolutely not. Just because they don't deserve it though doesn't mean it's not smart to give it to them

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

Frustrating though it is, and we can see the boredom in your eyes sometimes, please know we love you and your work Mr Dave :)

[@SandmanOnYT]

Could you explain the idea of being able to see back in time in really distant parts of space? It sounds really interesting

[@origamiswami6272]

Light takes time to travel. It takes 8 minutes for light to travel from the Sun to the Earth, so when we look at the Sun we see it as it was 8 minutes ago. Likewise, if a galaxy is 100 million light-years from Earth, we see it as it was 100 million years ago.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Check my astronomy playlist.

[@SandmanOnYT]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Thanks :)

[@TheSkepticBeingHindi]

@Pro. Dave Do we have a video of debate you guys are talking about? If yes how do I find it?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Yes check my channel. I posted it two months ago.

[@bllla]

Please tell me you will go over Stephen Meyer on Joe Rogan!! 🙏 I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw him on there

[@Anth369]

This video helped me understand what the hell was going on during this debate. Wow.,, they stacked the audience and Tour is a piece of work! I must admit i was like "woah, why is dave laying into this guy?'. Now it makes sense. The gift giving at the start is just maniulative.. considering tour has attacked dave previous to this.

[@gilleruadh]

Tour has been badmouthing Dave for years. I understand his irritation with him.

[@Josh-ch3nv]

It has been a while since Aron has been on your channel.

[@secularidiot9052]

Technically Aron was at the debate, so only since the debate happened.

[@spitfire3311]

They’re both pretty busy fellas I’d imagine

[@Andre-zx7mu]

Damn Dave, I have wathed your content for the best of 3 years and the debunks are the ones bringing me back to your channel. I first watched you since one of my science teachers reffered me to one your tutorials on physics and biology.They were very helpful in my Junior High Science Classes and I watched your other content at my free time. I got invested in most of your debunks alongside Aron Ra's content. But the one series of debunks i cannot stop rewatching is good ol' Jimbo Tour.I probably did not understand many of the organic chemistry stuff in the Tour Debunks (but I think I am going to start watching your OrgChem stuff), but I watched all of it because I absolutely enjoy the comedy and cruelty of Jim's infantile bullshit. MY favorite part in the debate that i CRINGED on was when James Tour did a hasty damage control stunt when he praises you as a musician after he literally mocked you for being dramatic as a musician (assuming he knew that you called him out on it beforehand and shit his pants). But anyways, thank you for teaching me so much Science and all kinds of stuff and thank you Jim to making me more interested in OoL. Keep knocking them down Dave!

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

I hope you go into OoL outta spite + fascination & win a Nobel

[@natedrees1390]

“He knows a lot about debunking stuff, Professor Dave Explains” 🎶🎶🎶 intro when?

[@hollxws]

Is this a re-upload?

[@dirkschmitz7884]

has this been re-uploaded?

[@undine8750]

Are you ever planning on making C programming tutorials in the future

[@pizzagogo6151]

Dave did a great job, not just in his arguments in the face of a piss-poor debater but Tour was condescending , aggressive and rude. I really came away thinking it genuinely was a waste of his time and he should never bother ever again discussing anything with James Tour. As Dawkins reflected once ( I think quoting another academic explaining why he wouldnt debate fringe idiots) “Looks good on your CV not so much on mine”.

[@Cheepchipsable]

I agree I thought it was a waste of time too, but Dave wanted to publicly confront Tour, for all the good that will do. I'm sure he is getting a lot of pats on the back from fanbois and the echo chamber, but how does one measure any effect?

[@filiodesathanas7019]

Never understood “Young Earth” even back when I was a Christian. My argument was always: When God made Adam was he an infant or a zygote? No, Adam was a fully formed/mature male. So why wouldn’t the great architect of everything make the universe a fully formed/mature universe?

[@spankduncan1114]

Architects make plans. Nature does the building.

[@janolthof2487]

@@spankduncan1114 bad example; in reference of architects making plans, builders would do the building.. anyway, whats your point?

[@spankduncan1114]

@janolthof2487 there is no architect. Just nature.

[@janolthof2487]

@@spankduncan1114 then we agree, no God involved

[@vforwombat9915]

@@spankduncan1114 " there is no architect. Just nature" tell that to Neo.

[@emekonen]

I love Dave

[@douglasgrosch228]

can you debate Adam Green ??? please..

[@ekojar3047]

If i ever get into a DNA is code therefore creator argument. I would ask. What is code made of in computers. Its 1s and 0s. Is it impossible for 1s and 0s to to naturally fall or clump together to make a code? Of course its possible! I just don't understand why some people feel like life is meaningless if a magical man didn't create them in 7 days, vs a billion years of legos falling into the right place to give us this gift!!! Its far more wonderful to me than a simple answer of we are just a magic trick ......

[@Nigelrathbone1]

Tour really didn't want to address the papers.

[@gwoody4003]

Is there a Patreon amount I can pledge where Aron Ra WILL come to my house and shave my cat? He is a floofer, he needs it before it gets too warm outside. And I am sure the discussion during the appointment would be epic and enjoyable.

[@antonioarroyas7662]

Dave's style comes on a little brash to me but people like Tour fall right into his approach. Anyone who is dithering on their faith might not initially respond to it once some cracks appear Dave's work will be part of what galvanises them. People like Tour walk all over anyone who gives him an inch of decorum.

[@OceanusHelios]

For our fair viewers that should hear something about the difference between Chemistry and things like Biochemistry and Molecular Biology: These fields are all about the interactions of atoms joined together and have the ability to interact, as atoms often do. Small Molecule Chemistry is an entire field of science. Organic Chemistry is a gigantic area of science. Organometalic Chemistry is another field. And these things are all well and good and the Chemistry is easier (relatively) to keep track of. Once you are getting into Molecular Biology you are dealing with Proteins and DNA. These things are HUGE. DNA and RNA are very variable. Protiens get extremely complicated. One two part protien is called a Ribosome and it is gigantic compared to small molecules. It took a supercomputer to model it. This would lead some to lean towards the idea of intelligent design. And yet... RNA is self replicating but doesn't jump to being a life form on its own. Sicentists are looking for something besides "God did it by magic." Tour in the debate they are talking about isn't in the Molecular Biology field. (That happens to be what my degree is, along with Chemistry). Having a degree in one field of Chemistry does not necessarily grant expertise in all fields related to Chemistry. (including Molecular Biology) Tour isn't as qualified to speak about it and there are people who are more qualified than he is to speak about it. And there are people devoting their whole careers to finding answers besides magical sky daddy did it. So what if there is a god? So what. You still might want to know about the details of a creation if there was a creation and it wasn't a process generated through natural occurances. Tour is not qualified to talk about abiogenisis any more than being a qualified biologist. He understands the basics and could pass a course and be skeptical. It is good to be skeptical. Science is NOT about jumping to conclusions. Tour is jumping to conclusions and you can hear it in his statements. When somebody is jumping to conclusions they will say "No such thing exists... This is NEVER shown... ALL of these things... And -insert what he favors- has to be it becaus there is no other way so let's all go home and quit doing science. Let's go home and let's quit doing science is not an option because without science we will all be nothing more than superstitious folks and all of our livelihoods will deepend on sheep and goats and wheat again. Going backwards is not the way. So let's do science and let's show some respect towards science instead of people who pass a plate around the special building so they can make you feel good about feeling bad.

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

My judgement of the room having watched the recording... Was Prof Dave won both the room and the 'argument' despite the room being stacked. The spontaneous positive response to Dave far exceeded Tour's seeded audience. And the room seemed biased to the Pro Dave... There were a couple of Ali Vs Foreman moments...where Dave just knocked the dude back on his heels after he'd exhausted his normally effective tactics. And the audience responded pretty well. The fact Dave seemed to have been teaching Tours class via his own channel meant he had a fair bit of currency in the room. Note A clack as the Victorians used to term seeded audiences, laugh at the right time applaud. etc. Sometimes used in reverse to disrupt a competing show. Similar to the first buyer at a cardboard box sale... Who apparently buys for a dollar... a brand new laptop.... And 30 people happily part with 5 dollars for empty cardboard boxes. Meanwhile the 'first buyer' is out the back passing the empty boxes to the seller... Standard Bunco type Scam...

[@noahwinslow2692]

Dave, hearing you say “chemical evolution” makes me cringe because I think of Kint Hovind 😂😂 but I know exactly what you mean. Chemistry changing over billions of years

[@noahwinslow2692]

Did I kinda get that right?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

@@noahwinslow2692 No no, systems chemistry, I talk all about it in my Tour debunks.

[@noahwinslow2692]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains oh ok. i'll check that out!

[@vforwombat9915]

"hearing you say “chemical evolution” makes me cringe because I think of Kint Hovind" it makes me think THC has gotten a lot more potent recently. idk systems chemistry. but the basic idea is that some reactions favor others. you put a giant mass of chemicals inside tanks, add heat, etc, and you will find after a while that some reactions made more products than others. they've actually done this w RNA. just dumped a bunch of ribonucleic acids in a tank and let them have at it. eventually RNA chains form, and some of those chains are favored. they can get lotsa neat RNA chains out of that that DO things, but idk how much of that they've done in labs and how much they've done in computer simulations.

[@WredFawks]

So, the point Aron mentions when James really lost it.. was that the point when he starts waving the chalk at the board demanding you show the chemistry for the improperly labeled scheme he drew because it just clicked in his head that you said we now (and for a while now) have fully self replicating synthetic RNA? Because that's the moment that sticks out in my mind.

[@Justwantahover]

What do they teach genetic students (so they can later practice genetics)? Is it the textbooks or the creation science books? Creation science contains stuff that disagrees with the textbooks. 😅

[@irenafarm]

8:03 “Imagine I’m on your couch an hour later” Me: “okay, I follow” “Imagine I’m dead” Me: :(

[@BrendavonAhsen]

"Shut up dog!"

[@simonl1135]

Actually, "Spontaneous Generation" is something that has been first (and still is) described in Genesis.

[@irenafarm]

1) Genesis wasn’t first (most cosmological myths have a part on the creation of life) 2) It’s abiogenesis, not spontaneous generation (the latter was disproved by the Pasteur experiments)

[@ekojar3047]

What if 6 alien races announce their presence on earth. We ask them, hey, a lot of Humans believe something created us. Then all 6 races say, oh no, if something created you, it wasn't any of us. We've only studied earth since it was all cave men here, and we've been watching the whole process of human evolution to understand our own origins.

[@ekojar3047]

I think half of religious people would think the aliens are fake. The other 40% would think one of the alien races are lying about creating humans. And 10% would follow the Vatican with that we all have a creator. Then that 10% is divided in half with no we only have our 1 God & and the no you're wrong, God is all powerful and created us all.all life. If there is religion and a god wiith aliens, it's either the big bang and the power of the universe is the God. Or... You think it's some humanoid shaped being that is more powerful than the universe!

[@haylux8473]

MR FERINA!!!

[@zbz5505]

32:50 This guy could be a voice actor for kent hovind, that was accurate af.

[@zachmorgan6982]

My only critique of Dave in the debate with James tour is not with his subject matter or his arguments but more about how he presented himself. I think calling James a liar is good to do a couple of times, but saying it to much and it just looks childish and rude. Calling the audience stupid or idiots...that's not something I would do and When you do that the probability of changing the audience's mind is reduced to almost 0 as it was already very very smart of a gun with . And the worst moment which sort of encapsulates all my critiques of Dave is the moment when he was asked to say something he liked or admired about James and he just used it as another opportunity to totally trash him after James had said a bunch of very nice things about Dave so it was more about manners but also not gonna lie I sort of love seeing somebody playing the Guy who is not gonna play nice and takes no b******* and just goes full goblin mode so yeah but me personally that's my Is only bound to pay. And I suppose why this matter to me is mainly the argument about changing people's minds. Religious skeptics are already very unlikely to change your mind or give your argument a second glance but again this takes the probability down to absolutely nothing and can be used as a Way to show that all atheist/scientific types Are self-righteous a******* that think all religious people are dumb I think those are completely Sound and valid and at the very least they are not pulled out of his ass wholecloth. Even if they're wrong, the argument still represents ALL of the MOST RELEVANT and well researched science on the topic.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Um, James pretended to praise me on my chemistry tutorials while having told his audience for years that I'm a moron who doesn't understand chemistry. He was being a disingenuous two-faced piece of shit, and I exposed him for it right in that very moment. It was brilliant. Everyone was laughing at him.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains You're not wrong, and you overall did a great job in the debate, especially your ability to remain calm, but I think you missed Zach's point. Zach was not saying to not do it, but just to not overdo it. In debates, generally the first person to resort to personal attacks loses, but because as you said in the video that your opponent did not come to debate in good faith and had previously personally attacked you with recorded evidence, I think you are right and it was fine to make an exception here and call him out as a liar with listing the reason for his lies like you did. Your point was made very well early on, but just the personal attacks didn't need repeating later in the debate (still call out his lies though as you did). To then attack the audience would probably trigger something akin to the psychological phenomenon known as the backfire effect which will trigger their defensive survival instinct, in their minds label you as a threat not to be trusted which would shut them off from you resulting in them being entirely unconvinced by you no matter what you say. But I give you credit here because as a random internet commenter hiding behind a screen, I wasn't there and I can only imagine how difficult hearing the constant heckles were, especially those that weren't all captured on the recording. In reality I would probably start to grow tired of it myself and react the same. Having said that, Zach is only offering an alternative way of winning audiences over. You're not there to debate them, you're there to convince them by debating James. Charming the audience like you did at the start with saying how they use your material to pass James' class was brilliant, so the ideal is to just keep doing more of that. There are many other psychological tricks you can try. Maybe try cracking a joke when they boo like 'I'll be sure to put your boos in my next study materials for your upcoming exams'? Dawkin's likes to ask the audience a question like 'why is that funny?' or 'what is wrong with that?' or perhaps if you can sneak it past the moderator, single out one audience member to ask why they booed and when they sheepishly respond with a non answer, quickly humiliate that individual with your superior knowledge over their lack of knowledge to manipulate the audience into stopping the heckling out of fear of being singled out for humiliation as well (aka psychological deterrence). The main idea is to seem in complete control even when the audience heckles you. Jimmy Carr is a master at this, but he's a professional and it's much easier said than done in the heat of the moment, especially with an angry idiot on the other side of the room yelling and writing nonsense on a chalkboard as a debate strategy. As a former creationist who used to be like and use the same arguments as creationists like James, I think you did an outstanding job and clearly won the debate by a mile.

[@Dreamline78]

The chance of Dave "converting" even one of Tour's acolytes was already zero. Tour stacked the auditorium with people who believe as he does.

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

@@Dreamline78 I was once one of those creationists (born into the church) who would have supported Tour and after James' performance, I would be questioning my beliefs. Nobody that deep in converts overnight. You are right that nobody was going to lose their faith from anything Dave said. But over time, looking into the facts and the evidence eventually worked for me and in my experience it takes seeds of doubt which can be planted by overwhelming evidence. This doesn't work for some people because not everyone has the brains, willpower or desire for objective/scientific truth that are required to properly examine evidence and judge impartially. Those people tend to hold beliefs more based on emotion than fact, so emotional arguments might hold more sway for them.

[@zachmorgan6982]

@ProfessorDaveExplains I understand that in other videos he's said your stupid or whatever. We all know ppl get carried away when making videos, and name calling especially when the other person isn't their to either pu ch you or defend themselves. But Dave, u said the exact same things about James. So let's call that even. The point is yall we're asked, as a sign of goodwill, to say something nice or something you admire about the other person. James took that opportunity to take the high road and actually compliment you. You didn't take the high road. The idea that you can't have normal human manners for a minute or 2 because he said mean things in other videos is just an excuse. At the end of the day, he's a guy you have a disagreement with. He isn't the killer of your mom and dad, wife or kids. You're nor being asked to give 1 compliment to Jeffery Dahmer or Ted Bundy. He's an academic with questionable conclusions. There are alot worse things u can be in this world than a bad scientist or even a liar. Murderers, pedophiles, racists ect. They may deserve this treatment and even then I think we should try and show all humans sympathy, empathy and understanding even if you think they're worthless. This is just a moral preference for me so there's no real logical argument I can give ultimately. I do appreciate the comment dave and I think you're the man. I just don't like us skeptics/Atheists to appear like hostile smug know it all assholes who think we're better thN religious ppl just based on our beliefs, even if they are 100% correct and theirs aren't. Because ultimately, that's a big reason I dislike religion and especially the self righteous religious maniac. Because they are know-it- all assholea that get their knowledge and authority from a sky daddy and his special book with silly stories.

[@ViniciusLuiggi]

Aron question is quite insightfull but i strugled to understand it, very poorly formulated

[@aanchaallllllll]

0:20: 🎙 Derek Lambert introduces special guests Professor Dave and Aaron Raw on the Myth Vision podcast. 7:30: 🤔 The speaker is discussing the concept of deductive reasoning and giving an example involving travel. 14:09: 😡 The speaker criticizes James Tour for his definition of abiogenesis and accuses him of lying. 20:36: 🔍 Abiogenesis is distinct from spontaneous generation, which is a supernatural belief in life force. 27:41: 🧪 The speaker criticizes someone for expecting a complex process to be easily drawn and for not knowing the correct terminology. 34:03: 🗣 The speaker criticizes the moderator for making incorrect statements during the debate. 40:44: 🗣 The speaker is criticizing someone for misrepresenting the number of people working in a field and implying a global conspiracy. 48:10: 🔍 The speaker accuses someone of lying by pretending to find flaws in technical details of a paper when they actually don't understand the experimental method. 54:46: 🔍 The speaker challenges creationists to provide factual evidence for their model. 1:01:36: 🤔 Discussion about people's refusal to admit Trump's lies and the similarities between Trump and tour fans. 1:08:30: 🔍 Dave is in conversation with scholars who are aware of the dishonesty and insanity of creationists' work. 1:15:38: 🤔 Questioning the concept of time and divisions in nature. 1:22:51: 🗣 Aaron's wife has helped him see a softer approach to dealing with people. Recap by Tammy AI

[@thureintun1687]

hal 😃 cute🥰 why did you do that? 🥰

[@shadowlazers]

I remember the crowd being particular particularly belligerent when Dave scolded them and he had every right to to be honest picture of great freaking composure if you ask me how to let the crowd know what idiots they are far before he did and far more often and I'm like 1/5 as smart as Dave

[@jakebocskovits7426]

You can’t win over an audience that didn’t show up for your act. You either have to give them the performance they want or find another audience/convince the audience. Dave didn’t get a fair ballpark before the game even began.