Disfellowshipped: RAYMOND FRANZ & JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES - THE WATCHTOWER WIKILEAKS

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

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[@christianaashong8963]

Thanks so much, wow. I was like a prisoner, hmmm

[@TheTalkNTarotShow]

I just left im NEVER going back! i was in a deep depression for the last few years dealing with them and instead of them helping me spiritually they shunned me and called me crazy. Had me thinking God didn't like me! Then when I started asking why are ALL their biblical characters depicted as caucasian when WE know thats not what they all looked like and i was told I was questioning Jehovah. I wrote the society and they wrote back with bs excuses smh the congregation is NOT loving but are gossipers, backbiters, cliquish just horrible! They don't like me because I call out how they really are! im NEVER GOING BACK TO THAT DEMONIC DEPRESSED CRAP!

[@TheTalkNTarotShow]

And then they'want u to sweep their messiness up under the rug and tell people not to talk about it in order not to bring reproach on Gods name smh! sick sick people!

[@TheTalkNTarotShow]

And they're'miserable and always talking about they are a happy people and the most contentious ppl ive EVER MET!

[@ruthestep3444]

Can you help me? I want to disassociate myself from the organization. I don’t know what the process is and I don’t want to ask the elders, that would open a can of worms and I really don’t want to deal with their bs.

[@tonykirby4245]

I just finished "crisis of conscience" All I can say is; The truth about the truth will set you free!!

[@jeromethomas4131]

I was a young man going to trade school and working in a typewriter repair shop when this gentle elderly man walked into the shop with a typewriter that had a problem, he said he was writing a book and it was urgent to him to get this repaired. I was able to repair it and during this time I found this gentle man sincere, honest and very passionate about getting this book completed. We had great conversations about the content of it and his desire tell the truth and reach as many people as possible not concerned about financial gain but to right a terrible wrong that he had done by leading so many people for so many years into this cult. Crisis of Conscience was his attempt to set things right and truly understand who God is who Jesus really is. I know the JW family and company he worked for and the pain caused by the organization, many thankfully left the organization here locally and lives were changed forever because Ray had the courage to speak out.

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

Oh wow! Interesting experience!

[@jeromethomas4131]

ExJW Critical Thinker the rest of the story really speaks to the damage down by the watch tower. The family that Ray worked for was obviously traumatized by the experience and the father of this family did lead most of his family out of this awful organization but sadly one of the family whom I went to school with sad he didn’t really lead them to anything or to a real relationship with God some of them have wondered away. It’s been some time since I’ve talked with them and I know a few are true believers and I pray they all have come to Christ. But years were lost due to the watchtower. These are good people and our community is the better because of them

[@wilshirestrasse2220]

Jerome, Your comment about Ray's urgency to finish writing Crisis of Conscience and his need to atone for the policies he argued for while a member of the GB moved me. He was kind to me when I visited 30+ years ago, but in the back of my mind, I wondered whether he felt any pangs of conscience for the articles he wrote. In this area, I had mixed feelings about him, for he was part of that Governing Body that deeply affected so many. Honestly, Ray was part of the problem, too. Yet, your recollection of what he desperately needed to do calms my doubts. Thank you.

[@1951kvk]

I find it very sad that many people who have been born into or chosen to become part of a cult end up as atheists or agnostics. It's critical to remember that God didn't let you down or mistreat you, humans around you did. God is still there waiting for you to let Him love you.

[@wudgee]

Yes that’s a shame. I believe in God still which I’m glad about. It’s the organisation that lets you down not God.

[@leadanon127]

I did not lose faith because of this false prophets. I have never trusted them 100%.

[@matthewsamsavich3268]

I fully agree with you, what man has done for profit doesn't erase the fact that there is still a loving God that wants you to find who you are, keep on seeking and you will find...

[@ministertothechurch-thezea4552]

I literally thought this was a comment I left some years ago, I say exactly the same thing and weep, to be honest. It's sad how many ExJWs become very bitter, angry and they become the direct opposite of what they were before. They become among the worst people in society, people with zero morals and who will do anything. Why reject God? Why reject the Bible? What's the point?

[@helgeandrehafstad6491]

JW teach you to debunk other religions. In the end that often backlashes.

[@Xoxo-mh9zr]

In an question God without fear.. He's led me to this glorious channel of REAL friends. We all have been bamboozled and sharing the same sentiments. Feel like i can finally LIVE and not just EXIST ❤️

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

We know the feeling Welcome aboard Nothing like not having someones foot on the back of your neck lol

[@bubblestar2314]

Ray Franz in his introduction of his book, Crisis of Conscience, quotes from the January 15, 1974 Watchtower ____________ QUOTE: "When persons are in great danger from a source they do not suspect or are being misled by those they consider their friends, is it an unkindness to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning. They may even resent it. But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning? " Ray finishes up by saying: "What this book contains is written but out of a sense of obligation to people whom I sincerely love. In all good conscience I can say that it's aim is to help and not hurt. If some of what is presented is painful to read, it was also painful to write. It is hoped that the reader will recognize that the search for truth need never be destructive of faith, that every effort to know and uphold truth will, instead strengthen the basis for true faith. What those reading this information will do with it is, of course, their own decision. At least it will have been said, and a moral responsibility will have been met. " Ray's conscience is now cleared. May he rest in peace until he meets with Christ when he comes, and the resurrection begins. God bless our dear brother Ray Franz~

[@jeannec7558]

Amen to that ✋😉

[@messianicagejudaism]

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[@jimbobaggans1564]

I heard about his book from people talking about it at the kingdom hall. It was an apostate book! I heard that it wasn't true. That Ray Frantz lied about the organization. When they spoke about the book I noticed it was spoken about in hushed tones. Like, they felt afraid to even talk about it in the kingdom hall. Then, I stumbled across it in a most unlikely place. I didn't see any lies in it. Anything that I knew about the organization was exactly correct. I knew some people that were very close to Fred Frantz at the time. Suddenly I remembered their conversations, that I overheard. I was very young at the time but I heard them distinctly. Everything that these "brothers" knew and they still stayed in the cult. They are all dead now. Stayed in their entire lives, knowing first hand of the societies corruptions. When I read Crisis Of Conscience, there was some of the same things that I overheard these "brothers" talking about many years before. It was the first time that I heard the place called Beth Sirim. At the time I didn't know what it was or where it was. Then I read the book and there it was.

[@rickeyricardomatthews2147]

I remembered when the Organization Mention Ray Frantz as an apostate Who was spreading lies about th truth

[@danajo2219]

It blows me away how people think if you leave that organization you leave Jehovah, my Dad said to me why muja did you leave Jehovah? I said Dad I didn't leave Jehovah, I left a religion! I hope and pray my Dad can learn the truth about that organization!

[@Xoxo-mh9zr]

OMG! I'm literally said that to my dad yesterday. He's an elder. Confirmation

[@rwilli26rw]

I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses baptized at age 14 and I was disfellowshipped at 17 estranged from my family for many years due to my loss of interest and pursuit of a lifestyle not aligned with the Bible. I was recently reunited with a family member after 15 years of not speaking. They were able to wake up and see things on their own.

[@BrandonSmith-rb1bf]

Why were you disfellowsiped? Even your parents stopped talking to you?

[@matthewsamsavich3268]

Same ages for both here, 1957-1974 RIP to religion not God 😎❤️👍

[@PerpetuallyTori]

My mother raised me in this organization since I was 5, and I never wanted anything to do with it. I’m 43 now, and she is still in and a firm believer. Her closest brother joined in the late 80’s, and recently left. She cut him off and hasn’t spoken to him since. I can tell it hurts her, but she chooses the organization over her own sibling. I recently asked her about Tony Morris, and she became livid. With me. For even asking. Her reaction was so irrational. She started crying and raising her voice that I was listening to apostates and trying to cause her to stumble. Stumble how? By asking questions? The control is scary!

[@JayTheComedian]

Raymond Franz Is LEGENDARY!! Thanks For All He's DONE!!!!

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

Ray is the OG!!!

[@WorldTraveller514]

Rest In Power and in Peace Mr. Raymond Franz! You are sorely missed! Thank you for your letters of love!!!

[@danettelewis8002]

So glad I've found a support system. As being a disfellowshipped mother if six I've never met my grandchildren. I am grateful that four of my six children saw the craziness of this organization. Proud that I broke the chain. In fact my youngest has gone four years to UCLA, and is now at Stanford. I do regret with extreme sadness coupled with guilt in not encouraging the older ones to attend college. I feel I should have protected them better.

[@maritzarodriguez6256]

I knew Raymond Franz personally. His book confirmed everything I was feeling for a very long time. My dad was an elder of congregation In Brooklyn. I was born and raised in the organization. It was in the 80's when I finally LEFT! My Dad passed away before I left, but in cleaning out some of his books and bible. There were notes and questions. It is my belief that he had doubts! Anyway, I've been out over 30 years and I have a much closer relationship with God and his son Jesus. Bless you for all that you do. Keep sharing the Truth!🙏❤

[@jonathancorrea5846]

Hey Maritza, do you still have your father's notes?

[@janedow9782]

I was always afraid of reading apostate literature because I thought my faith would be destroyed so I didn't, I just read the Bible. But the Bible has destroyed my confidence in the organization. After a few years of personal study I got the inclination to check out the various apostates, and to my surprise and delight many of them have come to similar conclusions. Now I can study my Bible on my own and really delve into it, unhindered by JW theology and judgment. I love God more than ever, my faith is stronger. I realize that God was telling me the whole time "something is wrong with this picture, trust your heart, examine the scriptures" The witnesses were pretty good for me when I got started but something went wrong, they got sidetracked into a system of works toward salvation, Fear, Obligation and Guilt. Not for me anymore! Thank you for a great discussion. Peace

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

Jane Dow now we fully understand why they didn't want us to read it The wheels would fall off THIER teachings

[@tarzanoru5627]

Your right, I have more faith in god as well

[@anaanguiano6658]

Was it the NWT that you read? I'm do glad you're awake .God didn't form an ORG. He formed a family, a Church(not a building) a body. Continue searching the scriptures and TRUST in YOUR mediator and advocate JESUS Christ

[@tarzanoru5627]

ana anguiano what I meant was I don’t need an organization to believe in god

[@anaanguiano6658]

@@tarzanoru5627 you're so right We dont need an ORG to worship or follow or even serve God . Thanks for your reply1 😅🙏

[@gratefultobehere]

Fear, guilt, shame, control and PRIDE...these are the building blocks of the Jehovah's Witnesses of the Watchtower Society and I'm so very thankful that many many people are coming out of this cultic organization. I was born into it and there are several generations of family members buried alive in it. Trusting the LORD to carry them home and I've been praying since 1996. Some people I've had the honor to share varying levels of critical thinking as well. Posing questions to stimulate them. It's a horrible thing to have mind control. Thank you for what you're doing. God bless you.

[@georgebrown8312]

Raymond Franz was one of the few members of the Watchtower Society who had the courage to stand against the false teachings and hypocrisy of that organization. He should be honored for exposing the lies and hypocrisy that occurred behind the curtain in his time. Hats off to him also for writing of his experience as a member of the Watchtower Society's Governing Body is his book "Crisis Of Conscience". Thank you for this video.

[@alanbuthardt8797]

I have full confidence in our heavenly father and his son our lord and savior christ Jesus that they will continue to expose and crush all cults with truth his truth seeks will never give up thank you all

[@QueenSamiyah]

This is so true. My feelings were so hurt when people cut me off like that because I simply questioned the GB. It's funny how you can ask all the questions you want BEFORE you get baptized but once you come out of that water you are to go out and recruit period, shut up and conform!

[@mariolibertad9972]

What's in the water?

[@springlove7219]

@@mariolibertad9972manipulation & control

[@jasmynelliott]

I left the organization in 2009, but I didn’t read Crisis of Conscience until 2012. Reading it was the proverbial nail in the coffin and I vowed from then on to never return to the Hall for worship. The last time I was there, it was for my grandfather’s funeral over 7 years ago, and the last time I will set foot inside will be for my grandmother’s funeral (that is, if I’m even welcome). Thank God for Mr. Franz, God rest his brave, beautiful soul.

[@nomoresecrets3065]

I’m thankful whistleblowers step forward.

[@purpleplus678]

By the time I read this book I had already left the organization. But reading it eliminated any urge to return or any guilt associated with leaving. Thank God for Raymond Franz.

[@evaarnold5838]

Such an amazing eye opener! ❤

[@wilshirestrasse2220]

I visited Ray Franz in 1991, staying in his modest yet warm Georgia home three days. I needed the emotional mooring of his balanced and mature soul - a soul fully familiar with the Jehovah's Witnesses - to help me say 'Good bye' to the past (I had been disfellowshipped a year earlier). He was kind, intelligent, modest, generous, and I suppose aware of how fragile this traveler from California was. Cynthia Franz was a delightful and welcoming host, cooking fine meals, We didn't discuss the flaws of the Society very much; rather, his garden and the dense woods barely 75 yards from his home, and other mundane things I can no longer recall. What I do remember toward the end of the third day was a faint, but definite voice heard in prayer saying, "All will be fine. I am guiding you. Trust my direction". On the flight back to Los Angeles, challenges many and doubts still quite loud, I was better, if even just a bit. Visiting Raymond and Cynthia Franz was needed and I thank them and God for their (His) kindness.

[@edgregg7670]

over the years this reply has done the most to move me to mistiness.. cause i too wanted to pay my utmost RESPECT to Ray.. by visiting him.. but i never got to.. kindly hit me back.. I would like to hear more.. as i too am writing a book.. perhaps a script Ed GREGG 3234816536.. Thanks

[@marycarroll3555]

Crisis of Conscience was our ticket to freedom back in 1987! I wrote a letter to Ray Franz thanking him and letting him know our family was freed from this cult because of his book. He wrote me a kind letter back and I knew that day forward, we had made the right decision. #Jworgcult

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

Bingo

[@osojae3065]

I left in 1998, I really love this Channel... my goal was to be the best witness that I could be, but when I decided to question a few things it was such a big No-No I was put on restrictions. (Punishment), 5 of my friends attempted to talk some sense into me we had heartfelt dialogue. When I recently looked up these friends I learned that all five of them eventually left the Kingdom Hall as well. One of them admitted that it was things that I revealed to them which cause them the question the faith... Wow Redemption!

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

Oso J are you not glad you started asking questions? I now understand why the wt says don't ask too many questions

[@BrandonSmith-rb1bf]

The Bible itself encourages you to be ignorant, and JWs fit right in because of it

[@patopkay1]

This is the last straw that broke the camel's back for me. This book opened my eyes. Am truly grateful for this author for doing such a wonderful thing to help so many like me. May Yahuah bless him.

[@alexiotafa1655]

Powerful. Help liberate our brothers in the name of Jehovahs witnessess who are being made to drink the wine of babylon and pray for them

[@UKS12345]

Ray said in one of his essays: Delight yourselves in the Lord, yes, find your joy in him at all times. Have a reputation for being reasonable, and never forget the nearness of your Lord. Don’t worry over anything whatever; whenever you pray tell God every detail of your needs in thankful prayer, and the peace of God, which surpasses human understanding, will keep constant guard over your hearts and mind as they rest in Christ Jesus.

[@kathygriggs5615]

Thank you for all your eye-opening and sharing of your journey as we walk ours.

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

You won’t belive this, as a perosn who faded for 7 yrs but woke up on the 7th year, trying to find a kingdom hall in Birminingham UK as an Afrikan immigrant, was shell shocked by the first article that appeared , the Watchtower and the UN. That was in 2004. I then began my journey by researching the Organisation, I found the Crisis of Conscience , In Search of Christian Freedom and The Gentile Times Reconsidered by Jonsson. I finished reading all of them within 3 months, thanks to the time I had in my previous job. My favourites are the two Crises and The Gentile Times. I love the Christian Freedom.However, I wanted to be sure of the religion itself and studied the History of Christianity, one of the books was by WH Frend, The Rise of Christianity. I also researched how we ended up with the Bible. All that made me an atheist. Thanks for lovely work, and keep up the real good news, helping the captured by the WT.👊🏿

[@vikkip4256]

I read his book "Crisis of Conscience" and it touched me deeply.

[@messianicagejudaism]

The real truth of JW's or Watchtower debunked and also what happened to Raymond Franz, he was expelled by the Governing Body. . Find out why. Watch this video link and share your feedback or opinion with me. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZDVXoKEn6tjd9k

[@RiaCottingham]

I’m about three quarters of the way through this book, and I can honestly say I haven’t cried as much for ages. It seriously got to me, all the lies and deception! Especially the Mexico/Malawi account, I cried for days after learning about that! I left 20 years ago, but it was only the back end of last year that I started looking into things. I’ve discovered so many things wrong with the organisation, and reading CoC just reinforced all the research I was doing. Like u were saying, it’s not written with any malice at all, it’s totally from the heart and honest, with evidence to back everything up. I recommend it to everyone

[@melanieb8834]

I 100% relate

[@Bishop1104]

I’m sorry I’m going of topic and I’m being random but you have a beautiful face

[@RiaCottingham]

@@Bishop1104 Thank you 😊

[@alans.wendelschafer6588]

I remember reading the WT article on the ban in Malawi from the 70's. I read it and blurted out loud, "Seems God was looking somewhere else." Then broke down. My faith was already waning, but I wanted assurance that God protects his people. That one article was the last nail in the coffin of my dead faith.

[@RiaCottingham]

@@alans.wendelschafer6588 I’m so sorry to hear that. It’s so clear that God isn’t anything to do with that organisation. The leaders are evil and have inserted themselves in the place of Christ and the Holy Spirit. I am so much happier now I’m away from that now. I hope u have found peace and happiness too

[@kathyhall668]

I am grateful to know there are people who are truly my brothers and sisters who have suffered under the tyrannical society of the Watchtower. I too have a story, but I must wait until my sons lawsuit is settled.

[@stephskipcain4599]

I read both books in their entirety. I'm the only one from a large family who has left (cousins, sister's, parents, aunts and uncles). It's been a long lonely road. The evaporated love from my mother was not as bad as from my only true biological sister, I have a step brother who left. Very sad. We were so close. She still won't talk to me. And I've completely missed the lives of my nephews who I still love so deeply. I get sad and angry sometimes. It's an amazing thing that Franz was so gentles and kind. I have a hard time not being upset and angry because I lost everything and everyone as a teen and had to fend for myself.

[@Klaxxor28]

Has it gotten better? I am in the same position. I am slowly healing through individual research. It's been hard. I feel as though the divine brought me here. I feel a weight lifted knowing the thoughts I've had for so long, others have. It always felt like forced compliance, not love. I ordered this book today.

[@stephskipcain4599]

@@Klaxxor28 it's a great book.

[@teresita4791]

I feel so sad after listening to all of you, because that is the way I was thinking, i was frighten, I though i was a coward, unstable, not loving God enough to take the load of the congregation. Until i learned to pray, to find peace in my heart, not considering what would happen to me in Armageddon. And i found peace, and the Love of Jehovah even stronger now and forever. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@brotherhype-maninchristjes2766]

ExJW Critical Thinker Praise the LORD praise God Raymond Franz for his bravery, his boldness and his ministry. God bless. Agape love ❤️

[@LivingNow]

I am the same person when I was in as now that I'm out as well. Great video!

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

LivingNow bingo. No need for us to start stealing from Walmart. Lol

[@jesselopez693]

I read both and I learned he was still alive when I left in 2010. I so wanted to meet him. He’s words were Christ like is all I’ll say. Thank you brothers for continuing doing the real good work love you guys ❤️❤️❤️

[@bernadettekelly2772]

I'm so thankful for the courage of whistleblower ! Starting with Ray wonderful Franz, and much more including your good selves ! May the spirit of Jehovah Bless you.

[@TruthSeekerFORJC]

I can see the light and real joy shine through you, praise Jesus !

[@tonyahenderson0929]

OMG JT, Lady C and Daniel...What a great video. I've always enjoyed your videos but you knocked this out of the park!!! I just woke up in August 2017 even though I was disfellowshipped in the 80's. Talk about mind control... that's well over 30 years to give myself permission to investigate this organization...Well done!!! Thank you for your activism🌷

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

Thanks for your video on a very important issue. It’s great that so many are being set free in Jesus name Jehovah is the Good Shepherd, Jesus said that I’m the Good Shepherd. Jehovah is the First and the Last and savior of world and Jesus is the First and the Last and the savior of the world. Jehovah is the light of the world and Jesus is the light of the world

[@byhearingandhearingby6746]

I've never read crisis of conscience but I remember the tone in which brother Franz name was said by the elders... I was disfellowshipped in 2004 ... and throughout the years the Lord has been uprooting the weeds of wt teachings from the garden of my faith.... YAH is faithful. Emmanuel! May he bless you and us all 💗🙏🔥

[@freedom7146]

After i read Ray's book, i knew that i made the right decision to depart from Watchtower. Then i read Christian Freedom...Both books helped me to understand the organization that i was a part of. Im very thankful too that Ray put the pen to paper.

[@fredsmith2027]

I've read Crisis of Conscience. Where can I buy In Search of Christian Freedom without spending a small fortune?

[@jeannec7558]

Confirmed what I have been thinking for years thanks brother

[@nitajohnson7761]

Thank you for your courage in exposing the real truth. I was a JW as a teenager. I thought I had found the one true religion. I was willing to die for it if need be. One day while sitting in the Kingdom Hall ,studying a book they had about Revelation, God Almighty spoke to me. The book said that the last person who was going to go to heaven went in 1935. God said “That’s not true that’s not scriptural “ I was undone! From that point on I began to question everything the witnesses had taught me. It was a long journey but I finally broke free from JWs . Today I’m a Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues. I did gain some valuable disciplines while I was a JW, such as studying the Bible. However, I know I don’t have to have the organization to have “light “ because Jesus is the light.

[@janetb.2561]

I was astounded that Ray Franz had come upon the discrepancy about the 'times of the gentiles' as I had found the same information prior to reading C of C. I was actually trying to STRENGTHEN my faith by doing research and found that the date for the destruction of Babylon (the key to the whole timeline for JWs) was different than what I'd been taught in JW-land. C of C and his follow up book "In Search of Christian Freedom" changed my life for the good. It helped me to not be fearful of destruction, punishment, Armageddon and all that stuff that kept me cowed and broken. Bless you Ray Franz for what you did for thousands of honest hearted people.

[@juneribbons5196]

My sister who is still a JW said that I didn't have an appreciation for Jehovah. Well now I might agree with her, but I do have an appreciation for God and what the truth really is

[@Cuzndr3w]

I was eager to read Crisis of Conscience when I was still in but very woke. I knew I couldn’t buy in the stores or have it delivered because I still lived at home with my JW parents at the time. Thankful I have modern technology and ebooks so I was able to read without giving away my position with the discovery of the physical book.

[@abalancedmind5233]

Ray was the greatest.Now that this book is going worldwide its the only one you need. Thanks guys for another great video. Your the tops in my book.

[@kenryevans6416]

Hairy

[@ezrapound6063]

Ole Uncle Ray Ray. A true witness. Agape guys. Keep up the good work. The day is upon us.

[@matthewpocock4824]

As the son of a Presiding Overseer, I have personally witnessed the elders discussing two cases of confessed child sexual abuse. One was a ministerial servant who molested his 10 year old daughter. The other case was his 18 year old son who statutorily raped a 14 year old girl. The girls father was on the committee, and I still remember him saying, "I don't think the police should be involved because of the reproach it would bring on Jehovahs name." He was talking about his own 14 year old daughter being raped, and that was his response.

[@timsmith8277]

The truth about the truth is that it isn't the truth.

[@akatheheretic3014]

WP aka "the Heretic" to : "forever" -- Do You truly believe that ANY human that doesn't buy into 8 so-called "faithful slaves" personal NONSENSE , aka "food at the proper time", will be destroyed by God ?? All humans need Yeshua/Jesus to have a relationship with Yahweh/Jehovah. NO ONE needs the WTS . . to have a Relationship with GOD thru His Son. No One , as in NOT ONE !!! Mankind does NOT require a mediator between themselves and The Son. Jesus ALONE is Mediator between GOD and Man !!! ( Go check your "silver sword" ) AMEN.

[@timsmith8277]

Wow, you are seriously deluded, the bible is a fabrication of myths, The name jehovah was the name of a volcano god. www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Yahweh-A-Volcano-Mountain-GOD-of-Fire-and-War

[@messianicagejudaism]

The real truth of JW's or Watchtower debunked and also what happened to Raymond Franz. Watch this video link and share your feedback or opinion with me. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZDVXoKEn6tjd9k

[@captainthunderjrjdharra4364]

Use a Gleason

[@captainthunderjrjdharra4364]

@@timsmith8277 Yahweh was near the Temple

[@justinthyme1299]

I was a JW for 46years been out for 6months found the internet, I'm now underlining Crisis of conscience,what a great book it is,I was truly blind to what was going on ,i.e. child abuse by the society, selling kingdom halls in the hundreds, lawsuits stacking against them, I hope justice will prevail soon against the ORG. My heart goes out for the victims of this terrible crime.ie child abuse by the society.....

[@rocketman7471]

It looks like you and I went to different schools together😂

[@theapostatefamily7870]

Just started reading this today so excited

[@aydennejaxen155]

girl I been read dis

[@mathastinner2691]

The only gift I can give to all of you is THANK YOU for all of these most important points. I will buy these books of Raymond Franz. Be strong and in good health.

[@vadinandez]

Y'all are my new Netflix! I have been binge watching all day!!!

[@allthingsdelightful8565]

I bought mine back in 2003 and had to hide the book at home as I was still living at home and my mom would have flipped her lid if she saw I had this book. I will admit the the indoctrination was strong within me I didn't believe it during my first reading of the book. It took reading it a second time to fully understand what was going on and what it meant. Powerful book.

[@junct01313]

You guys are great, and my husband and I really appreciated having your videos as we were making our escape from the Jehovah's Witness cult. So, thank you very much.

[@junct01313]

Also, what are your beliefs now? Have you taken up with any other religions?

[@arthuriarossiii6332]

Deep Bow to you all! I am so grateful to have discovered this channel! I felt so very alone! I read his book and was changed as to whether or not the governing body was aware of issues in the group! Imagine my surprise...

[@crawdad19141]

Very nice homage here for a truly great, yet humble man, who meant so much to so many. I'm sure his words will continue to free those for many years to come. So awesome to see this 5th edition go to print! I like how you started the discussion, emphasizing Rays calm and loving writings, so different from the evil angry Apostate spewing lies as he was portrayed to us by Watchtower after he left. That aspect was what compelled me to continue reading his book many years ago, when I allowed myself the courage to pick it, his humble and calm message pulled me right in.

[@clarkgrayhame1250]

This is a great video brother's, I enjoyed it. I have heard of Crisis of Conscience since I was a kid. My older brother read it and he recommended I read it. I am reading it now and I am thoroughly enjoying it. You can tell by his writing that he was a kind and gentle man. Even if a person is still a JW, I think it is a great book to read. You can still follow but have enough critical thinking that you don't follow right off the cliff by the "lemmings". Thanks guys, wonderful video.

[@livvytodlivvytodd2379]

This book saved my spiritual life!!! I left the org during my reading of this very insightful book.

[@maxsayler2528]

I read both of these books omg! I fought tooth and nail with my friend who suggested it. I believed everything I heard about this dear man, how wrong I was and what an eye opener they were, also the Australian royal commission, both really woke me up. I'm thankful for sites like yours that help me and others to finally get ' the real truth'. I'm now disassociated from a month ago.. struggling sometimes but feeling free at last to just live my life....thanks....

[@andreadiamond7115]

Going to go download Crisis of Conscience now, been meaning to read it for a long time. I’m a never-in cult watcher. Thanks guys. Peace.

[@TruthSeekerFORJC]

Brilliant material, again JT. thank you.

[@lorifive]

Raymond Franz did us all a great service. R.I.P, faithful servant of the true God!

[@jazzminejackson9181]

The book is a great read and answered some of the questions that I was afraid to ask. So, read it with the thought in mind that the TRUTH has nothing to fear.

[@jaybaez8300]

I got my copy. And I started reading it. Love it so far.

[@exposingthewolves8711]

BEWARE A WARNING FOR ALL EX JWS ; ROBERT SKYNNER TARGETS EX JWS ; did a video which said I bore no ill feeling towards Robert Skynner of Christian Comedy Channel BEFORE I was advised to speak with the Police. During my interview with them I was convicted that I had actually been a victim of a conman. THE POLICE TOLD ME ; Conmen like Robert do not break the law as they prey on the vulnerabilities and pity of others. The Police deal with many just like him. They offered me victim support as I was in pieces after they saw the "highly manipulative "letters Robert posted to me some of which they perceived as "threatening" . Sadly there was little they could do except issue Robert with an official warning ( posted on my channel ) . As a Christian I did all I could to help him completely taken in by numerous lies as was Mark Fox. That poor guy is on Morphine due to a degenerative bone disorder yet he still went out to work and tried to support Robert Skynner financially over months in addition to raising his own family. His ministry lies in tatters as his pain at being publically called a conman and thief by Robert has devastated him. You can clearly see Robert do this on the video I uploaded. AFTER speaking to the Police they advised me to publicise what has happened and warn others hence my videos. I will be doing another updating the situation. Whilst I bear Robert no ill will I am having great difficulty coming to terms with the lies he told Mark Fox and others about me, after a huge amount of emotional support , financial assistance given to Robert I am £5000 poorer and broken . I can't believe all the Police told me but know their words were true. I have been the victim of a major conman . Please don't tell me I haven't or my words are hearsay I have provided the evidence, have contacted the Police and apart from offering me victim support and issuing Robert with an official Police warning they can't do anything because lying, manipulation, and preying upon vulnerable people is not against the law. PLEASE BE CAREFUL HE IS VERY GOOD AT GROOMING HIS VICTIMS AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU AS A VICTIM AS MANY HAVE BEEN. More details on my channel

[@messianicagejudaism]

The real truth of JW's or Watchtower debunked and also what happened to Raymond Franz, he was expelled by the Governing Body. . Find out why. Watch this video link and share your feedback or opinion with me. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZDVXoKEn6tjd9k

[@juliechurley2716]

Great video! Conditional love - exactly! I’m no Christian but was for long enough to know it goes against Jesus message.

[@shirleysmith2044]

I love you guys and people like you folks are the reasons why me and my husband became JW's like my family. Good people with good hearts. Thank goodness we woke up 2008 however I was a black sheep and in the brothers and sisters eyes because I asked tooo many questions. Last conversation I had with a nephew is that No Brad I don't go to the meetings anymore because I have so many questions. Questions I need answers for but instead of saying what questions Aunty maybe I can answer them he just said Oh Ok and hung up! I think one reason that so many witnesses my family included "drink" excessively because inside their heart and soul they also have questions and feel trapped as well and do not have the courage to get out. Thank you guys for all you do and it is a real blessing to have your videos and the truth. Bye the way I was watching a you tubers talk about the top of the peak of the evil run cabal (many names for them) and he showed a drawing/map of how from the top of the peak flows down the pyramid linking ALL religions and these clubs and in the bottom right hand corner was JW's Charles Taze Russell. And of course we all have seen the pyramid by his gravesite. If I find the map again I will preserve it and share it. Thank you! Thank you! and we wished we lived closer so we could visit. Canada hey!

[@davidevans7143]

I read both books and that was what woke me up. This was in 1995 when they did one-generation change.

[@mamaschili]

As a young women not anymore. lol... I remember when they announced Brother Franz as an apostate. Something that day ignited in me in finding out the truth. Brothers that book open up more my eyes.And to find out he really didn't want to write it. Only thru the kind words of friend did he decide. Oh well ! Thk you again for your wonderful information....

[@agustinnieto8756]

Had it not been for Raymond Franz' book, many of us would have still had some doubts as to whether the watchtower was God's organization. But after reading Crisis of Conscience, the doubts are gone and we could go on with our lives, deciding how to best Serve Our God.

[@robinwilliams8574]

right? like who even gives a damn what a non profit organization thinks of anyone? i am what they call an evil apostate because not only do i expose the watchtower society, but i do not even believe in the general idea of God. i live right across the street from an elder and his spying wife. they used to call me brother and sister a long time ago until i questioned them about charles taze russell's pyramid tomb erected by the watchtower society decorated with all kinds of pagan illuminati emblems on it. only right across from a freemason lodge.

[@Roosterdad50]

About what year did they do that?

[@SandraKoetkemeyer]

I have been watching your videos and I like you both and appreciate what you are doing. You are honest, well informed and open minded yet examine the evidence from both perspectives.

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

Thank you so much!

[@toddhayes3506]

Great Job Family Thanks! TRUTH HALLELUYAH AMEN!

[@ExJWCriticalThinker]

Hey Fam, thanks!!!

[@MariaElena-ze5ym]

I have "THE BOOK". JUST GOT IT THIS MONTH. STARTED READING. Thank You. 💚

[@adab9959]

I am reading this book now and it is very humbly written. I had already left about a year ago for various reasons but felt it was necessary for my peace of mind to read this book. So glad I am doing it. A wealth of info (so far) that confirms I made the right decision in leaving. Worried about my daughter in law and my 2 grandkids though.

[@adab9959]

forever yes Jesus disciples back in the first century were to do that and they did. If you are so certain you are being told the "truth" I am curious why you are looking at so called apostate material? I am actually glad because maybe your eyes will also be opened to the deceit within the "organization".

[@BrentRF]

@forever The pedophilia cover up does a great job of glorifying god's name. What's next? Human sacrifice? That will get you back in the news real fast.

[@DeniseHedberg66]

I had read the book a few years ago and am anxious to have my own copy!! Next pay day I am getting the new one. It was a very good book and this new printing has extra things in it that I look forward to reading also!!!

[@recontruthscout7176]

Very informative. My co worker is deep into the jw org and no matter what i say he will not think for himself. Very nice guy and has a zeal for the bible, however i can tell he chooses not to investigate things i tell him to lookup for himself. I may purchase this book to get more insight on how things work in the background of the org. Thank you

[@CS-np2oo]

I know a guy like that. Really nice guy. He and his dad have their own companies and I figured being a business owner he'd be a fairly intelligent guy. Wrong. Has a nice house so he often had the Co/PO/COBE. over to his house. He was in for the prestige and titles, And because he has a little $$$ the brothers look upon him favorable I floated some indirect questions before when I was still in and I doubt he'd ever keave. The prestige fits his personality well. I've moved on, but he was one of the few people I think would be nice to hang around outside the Org. He and his wife have done at least 3 international conventions so I know he likes that feeling of being special since you have to be invited.

[@recontruthscout7176]

forever That is not a valid reason. Mistakes ? You mean the “new light” counter statement ? Sorry but hiw many times has the org used that statement. If the tree is bad so is the fruit.

[@mschelleh67]

@forever, why are you defending the JW's with what sounds like ACTIVE JW beliefs?? I've read your reasoning & so far, you come across like you are still very much involved with their ideas & ramblings. It puzzles me that most of the people here got TRUTH, real truth. But, you come across like my JW parents, defending the Watchtower Organization, believing what it tells them is truth. That Organization lies & tells half-truths!

[@BrentRF]

@forever Those entities don't claim to be the one and only true religion. Huge difference. We know they are corrupt but we all expect so much more from an organization that claims to be god's conduit for truth. That sets the bar pretty high. And they have failed miserably.

[@leeleemee]

The strange thing is that they want everyone to INVESTIGATE/ STUDY their literature yet they aren’t willing to reciprocate. Sounds like a one sided relationship to me 🤔.

[@billsdoris]

I went though the exact same feelings before I read Rays book. I was so scared, it took me ages to get the courage to read it. And then just wow, wow, wow. What an eye opener. This is a book that anyone who is or was a JW should read.

[@billsdoris]

Haha imperfections. Practically everything the Watchtower has said about the future has proved false. They have double standards as the book shows very clearly, Have you read the book? If so I would be interested in your thoughts on it

[@billsdoris]

Yep JWs were going round telling everyone the end was imminent. There was no question in their minds that armageddon was coming sometime around the middle of the 1970s. That is what the society had ben telling everybody, and of course it was completely false.You can check their own literature in the run up to that time. Some stupid people say that about the end of the world yes, and JWs are the worst of the lot. They pounce on any news story to prove the end is nigh lol

[@bubblestar2314]

Yes, and the "only ones" who don't believe that when Jesus said that he had "other sheep" that he was merely speaking of the Gentiles who would come into the fold later...........................They are the "only ones" who disobey Christ and do not partake during the Memorial. John 4:53-58................"They are "the only ones" who preach a twisted gospel of salvation by teaching that some go to heaven and others stay on earth and yet at the same time, preach that there is only "one hope"..................They are "the only ones" who teach that Jesus is Michael the Arch ANGEL. Hebrews 1:13 ........The "only ones" who teach that the resurrection of the "anointed" has already happened when it hasn't happened yet because Christ's return is in the future." .............and so on and so on

[@bubblestar2314]

Take off those WT ORG glasses off and you just might be able to start to "see" again.

[@bayouboy6668]

forever, I thought Jehovah was the one to bring about destruction? sighting natural disasters as an excuse to what was pushed by the society for 1975 is pure naivety and ignorance. I was brought into the "truth" around that time at the age of 10, brainwashed that the gov. body were "holy men". But as soon as I turned 13 I had a non-believing father that thankfully allowed me to be a normal teenager. There were things I could never see myself living up to in life. even once I came back in 1987 just for a girl/wife. I soon quit and have studied here & there over the years until I finally had enough with certain doctrines and not satisfactory answers to my logical questions. I cannot understand how they can take someone newly interested that is a drug dealer, child molester, thug etc. Show them how loving they are to strangers, yet a "brother or sister" in the kingdom hall that has been dis-fellow-shipped & obviously repenting because they are there. can bring a "strong" believer down, yet the "worldly" person NOT? I mean why can't you just say "hello & it is so good to see you". offer them encouragement. Never hang out with them outside the hall? to me that is one of the biggest hypocritical offenses that also kept me from ever even wanting to become a baptized member. I also am angry because they were many members that were worse than Catholic priest molesting their own children. I also at 12-13 knew of an 18 year old that raped a 6 year old girl & because the father worked offshore he wasn't an elder or what not, they kept that from him by the elders direction. because he would have likely strangled the offender. Anyway I still don't get why they refused to turn over all the names of those molesters to the courts? that bring reproach upon Jehovah is a bullshit excuse.

[@triggawoods6888]

Shoutout to Chocolate Thunder, Roasted Almond, and Lady Cee 🤣🤣🤣 I'm gonna get the book though. I am a conspiracy theorist, I'm not gonna lie. And Behold a Pale Horse was one of the first books I read as an adult, after I was DF. But I keep hearing Ray Franz mentioned, and it's an investment I'm willing to make. Thanks again for another great video.

[@MelissaBrownapt215]

Excellent. You guys are getting more creative. Love that. I have them on PDF free.

[@Brendacikes]

I just reviewed Ray's interviews online, he covered so many of the things I often wondered about. Yes, that backlash is real for having a dissenting opinion. You automatically come under scrutiny. I really enjoy your channel. Thank you for posting these videos.

[@sabrinatai31]

Me too ! This channel is helping me so much.

[@MrSdragon197]

I bought the book as soon as I found out it was for sale.

[@messianicagejudaism]

The real truth of JW's or Watchtower debunked and also what happened to Raymond Franz. Watch this video link and share your feedback or opinion with me. Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZDVXoKEn6tjd9k

[@carolynstevenson9085]

One of the most important Book, I have ever read. I tried to contact some of the people in the book, being that I live in Alabama not far from where Raymond Franz lived. It was so therapeutic for me. I wish I could've met him before he died.

[@LilithTheAquarian369]

A little canary gave me the book "Shepherding of the Flock"😳😱 they told me after you read this book you will have no doubt in your mind that this is not the truth! I haven't been back in 6 months!😩 carefully trying to get my family out now! Their cognitive dissonance is at an all time high,🤦🏾‍♀️ so I have to feed them baby food.

[@clarkgrayhame1250]

MH 81 I read it too. I was not impressed by it. You are right though, it is not good.

[@DeniseHedberg66]

Congratulations on waking up and being free! I pray every day for ones that are still in to wake!! I hope your family will soon!!

[@LilithTheAquarian369]

Denise Hedberg66 Thank you for the kind words. All my life I was told "the world could end at any day" and that made me not try as hard to succeed the most I became was a Paramedic, and I'll never forget what this Elder told me, he said "well that won't be of any use in the New System!" 🙄 who says that? Now I have to start from scratch, but I have people to help me, I'm going back to school, going to purchase my home, and go travel the world 🌎 ☺️

[@DeniseHedberg66]

Sounds awesome! I was raised in the Org in the 60's and 70's and they were very convinced the world would end in 75. No use going to college this system would not last long enough to finish high school. Then when it didn't come in 75, well it was any day then. I understand how that makes one feel. I am happy I have been able to see the WT hemorrhaging members. (pun intended) It is great to have help and encouragement out here these days. I had none of that when I left in 82. My parents died in the org and so all I do now is tell people about the dangers of WT. Have fun seeing the world!! You can't argue that it is a beautiful place, and I'm sure you will meet wonderful people!! Hugs from Oklahoma!!

[@LilithTheAquarian369]

Azrael6394 You are blessed to be this young and find out the real deal! Now go grab the world by the balls! I'm happy for you, and I hope everything works out in your endeavors! Asé Selah!✊🏾

[@mrsmith3869]

Thats the toughest part of being a jehovah witness, sometimes i wish i wasnt born in it The fact that if u leave, you still possess all of the good decency that you learn in the organization So you have to adapt to such a dirty wicked world as a good hearted person Prepare to be disappointed and hurt all the time

[@magelstoo]

Before I faded from the organization, I attended a kingdom hall where one of the elders was a former district overseer. It blew my mind while reading the book to find out that he was the one that disfellowshipped Raymond Franz. I knew him quite well, in fact I had him over to my home with his wife several times. Both my children highly respected him before he died a few years ago. I think of him much differently now. He was a total company man and I’m sure he had no idea how those wicked men above him had used him. He had to have been completely brainwashed into thinking that Raymond Franz was a wicked man

[@magelstoo]

forever You have been brainwashed into thinking that the watch Tower in Bible tract Society, or JW.org is God’s organization. I think Jehovah will destroy this organization along with the rest of Babylon the great. I have not turned my back on the true God Jehovah if that indeed is his name. I am a follower of his son Jesus Christ. The watch tower and Bible tract Society is an antichrist as far as I’m concerned. Their governing body has put placed them self in his position demanding people can only get to the father through them which is a lie. Jesus said no one gets to the father except through me. Once again you have been brainwashed. You need to look at the other side of the story. By the way, if you really did believe in this governing body you would listen to them about not watching apostate videos. LOL

[@jamieminniefield301]

I wanna apolo6 for not believing y'all were telling me about them. I now see y'all are honest and truthful

[@mikej7830]

as a 3rd generation Jw, Regular Pioneer serving `Where The Need Is Greater', whose grandmother professed to be of `The Anointed', i had doubts. When i heard Ray Franz had left the religion i thought there must be something he has said, or wrote, and i knew i had to find out what he said. I found out he wrote Crisis Of Conscience and ordered it. Before I finished the first chapter i knew i had raised since birth to believe in a specific pattern and never knew how to think outside that pattern, until i started reading the first chapter of his book. I had read other books from ex-JW's, but they seemed like so many `sour grapes'. But Ray talked about doctrine, and discussed scholarly ideas and reasoning that was completely unknown to me. AS a `bible student' i was amazed at how many things he shed light on that was completely unknown to me. He did it in a way that was rational, reasonable, without bias, without bitterness. It just blew me away. Before finishing the first chapter i knew i could no longer be a part of this false religion.

[@AugustBug56]

We were so scared all the time. To get this book Crisis of Conscience was such a huge step for us. We too got ours at Barnes and Noble and it had to be ordered and sent to our home. The book came a couple of days later and was discreetly wrapped in a brown cardboard package. It was like we had ordered a porn subscription 😂 Now I tell everyone about it and strongly encourage folks to definitely put it on their reading list! 👍🏻😊🐞

[@clarkgrayhame1250]

Lisa- Bug Showalter It is a great book, I am enjoying it.

[@DeniseHedberg66]

I can not wait till I can get mine!! I read it before, but it was not my book. Now I can have my own and this new one has things in it I am looking forward to reading also!!

[@katywendell9566]

The prohibition of this book is what makes it so thrilling to read. It's like the forbidden fruit.

[@TheFitnessKitten]

Lisa- Bug Showalter I too just got this book

[@bubblestar2314]

Hahaha Juicy

[@rainydays1105]

Thanks for the video. We look forward to hearing your input and thoughts on JW topics.

[@bubblestar2314]

Thanks you guys (and gal) for doing such a great job with this information concerning Ray Franz's book. It really does help to get the word out and you did just that! Always enjoying your videos. Thanks again!

[@jazz4805]

I really enjoyed your video and hope it will motivate others to read Brother Franz books because he deserves recognition for telling the truth about the Organization. I left the organization nearly 40 years ago and I was shocked when I stumbled on a YT video about Ex-JW Governing Body member, Ray Franz being AN APOSTATE because I did not know he had left the JW's! I remembered his name from my JW days and started viewing all the videos available on YT of his interviews and discourses to audiences in several countries. As he spoke in the videos, I was deeply touched by his humble and loving attitude, it was obvious he had no malice and only a deep concern for others! Upon learning about his books, I immediately ordered both of them. When I left the JW's, I had decided never to return because their idea of brotherly love was very superficial and controlling and after reading Ray's book, I knew I had made the right decision!

[@hermwash]

Another outstanding video!

[@furnessfurness5837]

Thanks for your video. Im struggling at the moment. Want to find my way to God and was brought up in JWs. My Brother and Mum still try to fet me back into it. But its scarred me mentally so much. I am now scared of all religions so just reading the Bible and pray.

[@theoracle56]

Another great video. You three remind me of the great friendly personalities that existed in that organization and I am so glad you woke up and continued to educate and inspire your audiences. You should write a book yourself! I am sure it would be a best seller! Be blessed.

[@haseleyes1]

Thank you folks

[@exjwwokeup1617]

I absolutely love you guys! Love y’all’s personalities! Lady C is the best and y’all work so well together!

[@ginaseegebarth6659]

Thank you for the informational videos, we really appreciate them. I grew up in the cult on and off and my husband even came into it for a while. I got disfellowshipped and we eventually left and he took himself out. My mom, brother and my childhood friend are in it now and my mom and brother won't even talk to me or my kids or family. I lost all that I had from my first 40 some years of life as far as family or old friends go. They are life wreckers for sure. I wish they would watch some or all of these videos and wake up. I wish I never had anything to do with that cult.