Disney Lied To You About Toy Story 2

[@cutsceneYT]

Secure your privacy with Surfshark! Enter coupon code CutScene for 4 months EXTRA at surfshark.deals/CutScene #ad Did you know that Disney told a little lie about Toy Story 2 getting deleted? Here's what really happened. 00:00 - Intro 03:01 - Straight To Video 08:42 - The Original Toy Story 2 17:17 - Toy Story 2 Gets Deleted 21:56 - Toy Story 2 Gets Deleted... Again 28:05 - Why Did Disney Lie?

[@seandunne9048]

Wow, they almost lost it.

[@AndrewDavis-sj6mb]

More than meets the EYE

[@noneofyoubusiness4895]

I don't think Pixar was even with Disney back then ...

[@swisserty]

11:30 dude this part legit made me tear up. So much raw emotion. Then you completely dunk squealed it with that kinda out of left pocket racially charged denorits cactus impression? I’ve never felt more conflicted in me crunch…

[@noahwilliams8996]

I love the thought of the collector's toys immediately rejecting him just because he lost his hat. That's perfect.

[@swisserty]

NO dude; don’t say that please

[@zacktyler2810]

Hell nah!

[@zacktyler2810]

​@@swisserty Ignore the BS

[@swisserty]

@@zacktyler2810 dude im trying my brother, its just truly hurting me

[@TheRealWalterClements]

@@swisserty lol what am I missing here?

[@timrob12]

Even if it wasn't the version that made it to the screen, Susman's work should still be appreciated as this 'saved version' helped to define what the final product should be.

[@jordanwright2072]

Like Doug's 1st Movie?

[@timrob12]

@@jordanwright2072 Never seen that one.

[@jordanwright2072]

@@timrob12 Never?

[@timrob12]

@@jordanwright2072 Nope. I watched the TV show, but never the movie.

[@jordanwright2072]

@@timrob12 Oh.

[@ProdigalGeek]

“It’s amazing how one small mistake can domino so quickly” - Luke can’t have known this back when he recorded the line, but this video was released hours after CrowdStrike’s faulty Windows update caused a worldwide outage for hours

[@adzmcgee9787]

nah Luke knew he did it

[@baffledbrandon3132]

What's CrowdStrike?

[@ChristopherCraven]

I had the video paused, and just as I hit play I scanned the comments with my eyes and read your comment just as he said it.

[@dyldog]

@@baffledbrandon3132google it. Theyre responsible for all enterprise windows machines cloud safety and infrastructure. The whole world’s businesses kinda shut off the other day, idk where you’ve been

[@shrekdaddy6912]

Crowdstrike is the name for the company that created the faulty Microsoft update.@@baffledbrandon3132

[@klingoncowboy4]

Now the version that was "saved" may have been scraped later but if that version wasn't saved then perhaps the project would have been abandoned completly rather than reworked into the movie we got.

[@BlackThreath1234]

Probably gets cancelled or maybe they still do it but a different version not as good as the one we have

[@KairuHakubi]

yeah that's still a heroic save, even if ultimately it didn't make it in.

[@bandjolyn]

Exactly. It's not Sussman's fault it got re-worked. She still saved the day.

[@jkephart4624]

no bonnie, no forky. Toy story is a big deal even for toddlers today i bought my son the best toy story I could and they are in bed with us now

[@CharliePresley-p2q]

They woulda started trying to remake it. Then realize it sucks but couldn't change it cause they ran out of time

[@Crazy56U]

...okay, honestly, now knowing the deletion story involved the _original_ version of Toy Story 2, that explains a lot.

[@BagOfMagicFood]

Like the original version of Food Fight!

[@aidomiya3401]

Food fight was never deleted, it was a lie from the creator of the movie because he couldn’t meet deadlines. Learning that was a huge shock to me!

[@aidomiya3401]

Sorry, I mean stolen*

[@hburke7799]

hearing a terminal command being referred to as "one line of code" over and over makes me die inside ngl.

[@therealhatchet]

FACTS lol.. as if any real line of command in a Linux terminal is one line lol

[@kirisviel]

ditto…

[@LiEnby]

But bash is turning complete!

[@AdamTaylor2008]

IKR.

[@JamesR624]

Okay? What else would you call it to convey to the layperson what it means? You people gatekeep everything about linux and then wonder why nobody wants to switch to linux and are intimidated by it. If every time they make an attempt to understand it, you start being needlessly pedantic, then of course they're not gonna bother.

[@KairuHakubi]

it always felt so weird to me that she had a full backup of the entire movie, on her home computer... and that the studio itself.. didn't.

[@WreckItRolfe]

I don't think the story was that she had a complete backup

[@KairuHakubi]

@@WreckItRolfe it said a full copy only X weeks back, I forget how many weeks, but enough to recreate the 80% destroyed movie

[@-Gax-]

She didn't have it on her own home computer, he said that she had one of the office computers at home. It was on the computer because it was an office computer, so it does make total sense. That computer had all the data the server had until the moment that it was disconnected from the server, that's the only reason it had the movie, because it didn't get the bad code as it wasn't connected to the server.

[@-Gax-]

​@@KairuHakubi Oh, and (x) the number of weeks was 2 weeks, presumably 2 weeks was when they unplugged that computer from the server, and she took it home in anticipation for maternity leave

[@KairuHakubi]

@@-Gax- oh she took the entire computer home. okay that's different.

[@darkdave1998]

That baby in the car story gave me chills. Recently (last year, I think?), a near identical scenario occurred in my workplace (dif. Department tho), the couple actually worked together and I think it was the mother who actually found her baby in the car, sadly much too late. Overworking is a real issue, and it costs lives.

[@RevaeRavus]

That's pretty fucking terrible man.

[@nolanmeek6027]

I’ve known about this for years, it’s still a crazy story. My assumption is that they would’ve still lost the assets for all the characters even if it wasn’t the final version.

[@OmegaVideoGameGod]

Everything in life is an absolutely incredible when you dig around it.

[@nintony2994]

​​@@OmegaVideoGameGod"is an absolutely incredible"

[@Velvet_kangaroo]

Toy Story 2 has always been my favorite movie in the franchise it’s remarkable how Jessie and bullseye became staple characters despite not being in the first outing and I love the hellscape of it’s production

[@theclownlyimp]

I think in retelling the story we're forgetting one key detail. If Susman hadn't had the backup of the original version, the team would have spent that whole time trying to re-make the story they already had. Imagine they wasted all that incredibly precious time trying to recover a mediocre movie to hit the deadline and never had the time to realize they were doing it all wrong. I don't think anyone is lying in saying that Susman saved Toy Story 2. She managed to give them the opportunity and time enough to rethink the movie and make the masterpiece we all know and love. Although she deserves credit for this, it's unbelievable how diligently the entire team worked in order to pull of that Herculean task. No small order indeed. They all did amazing

[@danielrhouck]

The thing is, they didn’t start from scratch for the next version. If they had only the 10% at the end of the alphabet plus whatever stuff they got from an ancient backup, they would not have been able to make the version we have in the time available.

[@icenovice]

…”time available”?

[@danielrhouck]

​@@icenovice25:06 “The problem PIXAR faced, at the start of 1999, was that the movie had a release date that couldn’t be moved”. If everything had been deleted without backup, they could not have finished by this unmovable release date.

[@CaptainCat101]

When I first heard about the initial deletion of Toy Story 2, it had me wondering if supposedly saving it was worth it since they started over anyway. This does make more sense

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

It wasn’t the Toystory 2 that was released but, they didn’t know that when the one that she saved was deleted.

[@jerelminter]

You're right, this wasn't the Toy Story 2 that got released in 1999. That version of the movie that got deleted, was the one that Disney wanted Pixar to put on VHS. It wasn't supposed to be a theatrical release. Pixar pushed for that to happen, but the cut of the movie they deleted wasn't working. So they asked for Disney to delay Toy Story 2's release to fix what was wrong with the film's plot and characters, and they agreed but they only had NINE MONTHS to do it. That must've been a pain in the neck.

[@jordanwright2072]

Same with Doug's 1st Movie.

[@jerelminter]

@@jordanwright2072 Oh really ? I didn't know that, obviously I remember Doug from it being on Nickelodeon, before Disney bought it and made it their show. I was aware the movie existed, but didn't know it was made the same way as Toy Story 2. Interesting !!

[@mrjaman3752]

Yeah i also saw the video

[@chazzywaz]

And it was awesome in the end.

[@jerelminter]

@@mrjaman3752 Yes, but this information about Toy Story 2, was already known before this video was made. You're just now, finding out about it.

[@brandonuddstrom]

Luke, you crush it as a narrator. Your inflections, tone, the way you get across certain story beats-very well done. I def look forward to these vids! And your Wrestletalk Originals. Keep up the great work!

[@morganmend]

I actually never knew about the Toy Story 2 “incident”. Very interesting stuff. Thanks Luke!

[@theprofessor6582]

Though the version of the movie Susman saved wasn't the final product, her work still made a huge impact. The loss of the first draft would have probably demoralized the staff, force them to remake modles from scratch, prevented them from doing the rewrite they needed for the final product, and hurt their relation with disney finding out that they comletly lost all their work with no back up.

[@AceTrainerLiam]

I actually didn’t even know about the first deletion story, so this was a wild ride for me! Keep up the stellar work! ❤

[@Tatertot.]

It’s crazy. I was born a year after Toy Story 2 came out. I watched it the most on a VHS at my grandma’s house. So to me it was always a direct to VHS movie.

[@austinmiller5515]

Seeing Luke in a Toy Story video is like seeing your teacher at the grocery store.

[@KnapfordMaster98]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU it has bothered me to NO end that people keep leaving out this detail. Every time I tell people this additional factor, no one of them have ever heard of it before.

[@icenovice]

i… i think you might have bigger issues than that

[@therealjesselong]

SULLIVAN AS STINKY PETE IS A WHOLE ASS VIBE!!!!

[@RBernsCarter]

I was kinda expecting him to be Señorita Cactus 😂 but Blair was great!

[@MiGWar82]

I've never actually ever seen any Toy Story after the first, I really should go through and watch them

[@CaptainCat101]

Keep in mind, Toy Story 2 is better than Toy Story 3

[@godzilla5742]

Watch (Toy Story 2&3) and Stop there. (Toy Story 4) was unnecessary.

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

@@CaptainCat101Toystory 2 is my all time favorite Toystory movie.

[@CaptainCat101]

@@crashban4t.f.s.b783 Toy Story 2 is my favorite Pixar movie

[@icecreamhero2375]

Yes they are all good.

[@IamMichael365]

That sucks! Imagine busting your butt to save a movie, working tirelessly...only to get let go anyway and have the project you saved get erased 🤦🏿‍♂️. No way

[@rockhound3.14]

Culinary be like

[@theronquishow5837]

uhm, she got let go decades later

[@sethhorst6158]

Knowing more about the development troubles the movie went through enhances the movie experience in a way, it's amazing how good they managed to make the movie. But also interesting thinking about other ways it could've ended up.

[@growingupwithdisney]

I know right, it’s genuinely the best Disney sequel, set the bar high for Pixar

[@grimmutt]

the poor animation crew… probably didn’t get correctly compensated.

[@VinnieBartilucci]

I know I'm not the only person who theorized that Jessie's former owner was "really" Andy's Mom.

[@dangurney1042]

No that’s actually a pretty common fan theory.

[@thebrainnameditself9530]

The entire movie animated in 7 months...yea at that point, if I was an animator, I'd leave the planet

[@geaves]

Great stuff Luke. Happy to see cutscene back. Keep up the good work

[@cutsceneYT]

Thanks! Please share it everywhere!

[@o7_AP]

Pixar: "We just didn't know how to go about it without sacrificing Quality" Disney: "That's the best part: you don't!"

[@WesTheHunter]

Disney proved that even in the 1990s they only cared about Mega profits over the quality of their IPs by being obsessed with Straight to Video, In the end it died down because people eventually realise they were being peddled inferior content at massively inflated prices (For official Disney VHS)

[@overdev1993]

they didnt lie, they just shortened and simplified the story so everyone could understand it

[@doctorgiovanni853]

Blimey! This was a bloody fantastic piece of research and nostalgia. Brilliant work, Luke! Congratulations, too, on the auspicious and long-awaited return of CutScene - it is well deserved! 👍👏 Grazie mille! Arrivederci, 👋 Giovanni Marino, M.D.🇬🇧🇮🇹

[@Pedro999Paulo]

So basicly Toy Story 2 is the Smash Bros Melee of animation

[@tparadox88]

At a minimum, saving "the movie that was deleted" saved the assets they would need to make the version that was released, or at least base the improved assets on.

[@pistolk1]

i just realized disney now is doing exactly what they did 20 years ago, making nothing but sequels...

[@Fredric_Cedrich]

Aladdin & The King Of Thieves got a theatrical release in the UK & McDonald’s even did a happy meal to coincide with it

[@Attmay]

I did not know that. That must be a factor in why they eventually bumped up the *Peter Pan* and *Jungle Book* sequels to theaters in the US.

[@TheHaddonfieldRegistry]

I don't think viewers understand the shrewdness of the 5 original picture deal. That's diabolically proactive.

[@TD-zs2nc]

*Only reads the title I knew Bullseye couldnt have kept up with an accelerating airplane on foot!

[@rishyrish]

DISNEY LIED ABOUT A FICTIONAL STORY THEY CAME UP WITH BUT THIS RANDOM GUY HAS THE REASON AND KNOWS THE TRUTH OF SOMETHING FAKE AND MADE UP 😂

[@JoshRazauskas]

I’m so happy that Cut Scene Is back! Tremendous job Luke! There was some things about the story that I was not familiar about for sure!

[@beefy45]

Those direct to vhs disney sequels sucked

[@ronbinscatsco5249]

The sequels that I like is Brother Bear 2, Mulan 2, Pocahontas 2, cinderella 2, The Little Mermaid 2, The Lion King 2, Lady And The Tramp, and The Jungle Book 2

[@jerelminter]

Not all of them, I actually liked Return Of Jafar and Lion King 2 was good. Sure they weren't as good as their original releases, but those are tough acts to follow. It's hard to top what's been done already, when fans expect too much from them.

[@Mikewee777]

I was happy to see a " Atlantis 2", even though it was watered down so badly that it was technically a alternate dimension .

[@moocowbees]

​@@Mikewee777 And it was supposed to be an entire tv series. It's just the tv series clips rearranged into a movie 😂

[@Mikewee777]

@@moocowbees that explains so much.

[@familyandmerlenorman2721]

Great job on putting this video together, Luke! My family and I had been looking forward to this! It is so awesome and brilliant to see CutScene make a huge return! Thank you for sharing!

[@joshslater2426]

We owe Susman credit either way. Without her the movie could’ve been lost. I was so sad to head that she got laid off last year.

[@DarkenedTributary-po4mv]

May she bring her talents at a place that won't discard her just to save a few bucks.

[@joshuaiowa2190]

Why would Pixar agree to this insane deal?

[@scottgarmon4865]

This sucks. Not only are there two ads in the beginning of this video but then there are sponsor ads in the video itself, along with ads breaks every 4 minutes. Whats the point of even trying to watch a video anymore?

[@Normal-Lad]

The lesson of the story is, always steal property from your employers

[@Elmonator]

So glad you're back! I recently thought how I missed you doing those small essays. Now I see this and it immediately made me smile, haha. Thanks, Luke!

[@MultiClassGeek]

HERE WE F’N GO! Cut Scene is back!

[@mevb]

Though Hercules: Zero to Hero doesn't count as it was a spin-off of the Hercules tv-series rather than being a sequel that was the pilot of its TV show.

[@ajzeg01]

By that logic, Stitch: The Movie and Leroy and Stitch don’t count either.

[@ajzeg01]

Or the Aladdin sequels

[@danieltarczynski6559]

Even if the version she saved was the “home video” version it is still possible that with such a deletion event occurring they may have scrapped the project all together. So it may not have been the version that was in theaters but it still could have been an event that saved the project all together

[@hoodoowilliams5187]

Video actually starts @3:00

[@MarcusTheObjectShowFan]

disney redeeming themselves after firing the one who saved toy story 2 is like finding a needle in 2763 stacks of hay

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Is that a decision you think that is fine?

[@MarcusTheObjectShowFan]

@@Thomasmemoryscentral no because it is impossible finding a needle in a haystack

[@stewboy69]

"2763" is that a BFDI reference?

[@susantherestorer]

That is oddly specific.

[@zionkraze9965]

I hate to admit this, but I did not know of that story.

[@jerelminter]

I was aware of some of this story, it's true that Disney was making sequels to their pre-existing movies, on VHS in the 90's, because I owned copies of them. I just wasn't aware that they almost did the same thing to Toy Story 2, until years after the movie was already made.

[@thechunkydrummer]

I love these style of video essays! Welcome back CutScene 😁

[@AbrasiousProductions]

it's interesting how the original script had underlining themes of religious fanaticism

[@normanclatcher]

Subtext. Makes sense to me.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@normanclatcher yeah, I'm religious myself but I've always steered clear of any religious fanatics who misconstrue the word of the lord to justify hatred, violence or prejudice, that is not the way of christ.

[@thejoeker3947]

The only animated sequel to win a golden globe for best picture

[@MondeyKing]

That's the power of determination you telling they worked soo hard they were able to complete toy story 2 in just 7 months ?

[@jerelminter]

Pixar said it was 9 months, they threw out the old Toy Story 2 (which was the one that got deleted), in December 1998 and changed it to the movie that got released in January 99, which finished in September (two months before the release of it in November).

[@Cyperstudio]

This movie is a damn miracle. It sucks that we can't see the deleted cut tho, like not some "synder cut" stuff, just to see what they finished before they scrapped the entire thing.

[@SammEater]

What, are you telling me that Disney would lie about something for marketing reasons? No way.

[@MattSipka]

When the story of making a movie could be a movie itself.

[@BR-ty3hx]

Imagine not even knowing the story and calling it BS.

[@piratetv1]

"You're worthless" is a song and huge scene from The Brave Little Toaster. Funny that you story would say it so often in such a similar story

[@jonahmichael2223]

SO GLAD THIS IS BACK!!

[@om3g4z3r0]

Ah toy story the movie that convinced me that blowing up toys is cool.

[@lazyieg]

Ironically Toy Story 5's premise is the the toys struggle against cell phones....so not so far from the supposed original version.

[@majormushu]

Toy story 2 is one of the rare instances where a sequel is better than the original. It's my favorite movie of all time.

[@EpicToySeries]

Between this and the truth behind Foodfight's production, we're getting some great insights into these films that we might've not known if people didn't speak out. It's sucks that Disney hasn't learned their lesson about making cheaper sequels, but then again, it's Disney… _cough_ Moana 2 _cough_

[@sneshofficial]

"You can't sacrifice quality when making a Pixar movie" then they all forgot and released Cars 2, Cars 3, Planes, Planes 2, Toy Story 4...

[@tparadox88]

After Toy Story 2, there were no more Pixar sequels until after Disney bought Pixar. It's a lot easier to demand regular sequels when you're talking to employees rather than partners. Pixar had reached the end of their deal and were looking to renegotiate or find a new distributor. Disney did not want to lose them and didn't want to have to renegotiate again after a new deal, so they went to Pixar and said "you could leave, but we own your characters. So if you leave us, we will make our own Toy Story 3. It will not be as good as you would make, maybe on purpose!" The negotiations ended with Pixar owned by Disney, Steve Jobs on the Disney board of directors, John Lasseter as head of Disney Feature Animation, and Cars 2 in development with a massive slate of sequels in the pipeline. They even spun off a satellite studio, Pixar Canada, for making sequels and spinoff shorts and other derivative material that they could hire younger, cheaper artists at and develop the best ones into staff at the main Pixar campus. Once Disney realized that the public had soured on the quantity of underbaked sequels that seemed to be causing the originals to suffer in quality, they took their foot off the gas a bit, but also closed Pixar Canada.

[@57yearoldjamesbond]

Pixar didn’t make Planes.

[@GameParodiesPat64]

just learning that two scenes have reused settings from a bugs life is so cool you’d never notice actually watching the film

[@devincreislerstudios]

My film teacher mentioned this why you want to make back ups of your videos.

[@NoUploadJustComment]

Its not just one of the greatest sequels in history, its one of the greatest films in history and possibly the best animated film too.

[@Capszuleh]

This movies entire premise is that people would drop off toys like an abandoned pet... most of them get donated and stuffed in miscellaneous bags in the thrift store 😂

[@AngelJuliet]

Susman still deserves a job at Pixar for life for her work on saving the original verison. Because they used that to polish up the new one

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

You could technically say it's lying by omission, it DID really happen even if they fudged the details. Had she not saved that version, they might not have reached the conclusion they didn't like it. It could've still shaped the movie drastically since they'd have to spend long enough remaking that version that another version might not have been possible.

[@NoProHarrie]

They didn't think Toy Story 2 was good enough and made a good movie Then made Toy Story 3...

[@ng961-b3u]

Disney didn’t officially own Pixar until 7 years after the release of Toy Story 2, so Disney wasn’t involved with the Toy Story 2 mix up.

[@Trane141Kingz]

You guys know something toy story 2 also lied about? The prospector didn't turn the TV on, it WAS actually Jessie! Let's not ignore that

[@NitroIndigo]

Today I learned LaserDiscs were still being made in the 90s.

[@Benlovescheese]

Is it a white lie or merely an exaggeration of the truth? I feel like the movie would not exist today if it was not for that file saving- it wouldn't have been called not good enough, and likely would have costed many jobs and a scrapping of the Disney deal because toy story 2 wasn't done.

[@IanZainea1990]

28:45 I mean. It's not a lie. It happened. If she hadn't saved it. They might have just wrote off the film and cancelled it. Maybe Disney would have then done the straight to video at a cheaper studio instead.

[@ChronoXShadow]

29:47 This applies to ANY form of fictional media. It's why GoT/SoFAI season 1-3 were so good, why certain video games are so much more memorable than others, even crossing over to genres of video games simply due to this fact. Story is key.

[@Marksman3434]

Sure, anything that involved the story and narrative, such as shots and scene files might've been scrapped from the backup, but they sure as hell used the actual 3D assets later for the final version of the film they decided to go with, saving a LOT of time and money compared to if they had to do them entirely from scratch again, so there was great value in the backup for sure.

[@TheEerieMaster]

You're telling me that a multi-billion dollar corporation that has done so much shady stuff and has the worst PR imaginable, would lie to us? That's crazy talk (sarcasm)

[@leahtv7778]

Even though she was eventually omitted from the script entirely, it's obvious she had a more normal American accent, bro

[@jonhardwick4170]

They didn’t lie they made an educated wish.

[@raxadian]

"You can't sacrifice quality when making a Pixar movie." Then Cars 2 happened.

[@sans-yo7fg]

The shock and excitement I just felt at clicking an interesting video and suddenly LUKE. I am so happy

[@SwaftNationLeader]

OMG the script reading was HILARIOUS 😂😂😂

[@Boom12]

I'm so happy to see CutScene back again Luke :)

[@Rachel-xu4br]

This is technically considered "the truth" in my eyes, as I never perceived, or believed that the version she saved was "the final version" when I originally heard this story. Apparently everyone else did? But it definitely felt implied to me that she saved a version of it. As it was clear TS2 was not done yet due to the description of the story I heard. I've also heard of how there were different variations of this story and characters during development. So take that, plus the time it took between both films, it just seemed clear to me that this *save* was in "the middle" of everything rather than at "the finale".

[@androognoix1685]

Toy Story was revolutionary because it could render stuff too difficult for hand drawn. Now way they could’ve done 2d cheap

[@Mauri.El.Creador]

Jesus, that contract deal was trash. "Do all of the work. We keep everything now and whatever you plan to do for the next 30 years."

[@Mauri.El.Creador]

"Oh and then we're just gonna buy you."

[@PseudoFanboy]

LOVE finding out new ways disney twisted the truth to make it(s products) seem more inspirational than the crunch-hell they were, it's so on brand for them to take the opportunity to generate more credit than they deserve without committing to the "lie" in the long run

[@RaindropsBleeding]

Sees title. Oh no. The mouse lied? Say it ain't so

[@Veggieman87]

Took me too long to realize Blair and Sullivan were reading the Senorita Cactus and Prospector lines. Nice little crossover there.

[@Kalle72]

1:49 - you’re welcome

[@jasondowney9424]

You are my absolute favorite Luke! This is amazingly well done, I will watch it now, and again with the wife. Boy you unlocked some serious memories in my brain. Toy story activity centre was my jam!

[@chuges]

Sully and Blair's VO work is tops!