Warframe - Ash Prime + Innodem Incarnon | One-Shot Bladestorm with Perma-Invisibility

[@distantObserver]

Lots of people were asking for updated Ash build so I went about researching and editing it… 3 weeks ago 😀! There were ton of inconsistencies from the ability descriptions to even how the weapon inheritance works. After going through all of it, the video would have come out to be a bit more than 24 mins in total runtime! Also putting all that info into one video would have been a crazy. So think of this as part 1, where we go over how the abilities work, how the weapon inheritance work, what mods affect what aspects, some myth buster stuff. Part 2 will focus even more on maximization like Venka Prime vs Innodem, Heavy Hammer vs Heavy Blade, etc. How much exact strength for each level, also an Armor Strip build where we replace Teleport with Silence instead!

[@curiruri]

So why did you use innodem instead of ceramic dagger, from what I heard it can get a higher stating combo

[@yorsch9577]

did you try to use a "Melee Crescendo"? even at rank zero it should performe well. just slower stacking. that way you don't need time for comboduration and narramon. i think there is non other melee arcane that could help here. what are you thougts about that?

[@fabianbissinger5232]

Really nice video and very clear explanations. Will the second part include more min maxing with archon shards and the new melee arcanes as well? The first part definitely was detailed enough for it.

[@punjabiballer09]

Where’s part 2?

[@larkalfen4513]

Say wouldn't covert lethality be a good mod to put in innodem too?

[@ttraw5928]

Fair note to anyone who plays Ash, joining Bladestorm by pressing Teleport actually pauses your clones, so realistically you slow your kpm by literal half. Use it only for the invulnerability frames!

[@sun_wukong1984]

Or if you are using rolling guard right before you do it

[@dimwoo]

This is great for the casual player! Unusually clear explanation of the synergies of various different mods - most Warframe youtubers either can't be bothered or assume viewers already know and don't go into the detail.

[@hanzohattori4296]

Hi I'd like to contribute my findings. As of 05-04-2024, the ff have been found to affect bladestorm damage. Not the damage figures, but the effective damage itself (as seen in many other ash bladestorm researches). 1. Melee damage mods (like pressure point, riven etc) 2. Finisher mods (like savage silence, radiant finish, finishing touch, riven etc) 3. Atk speed mods (like fury, gladiator, riven etc) 4. Crit chance mods (like true steel, riven etc) 5. Crit dmg mods (like organ shatter, gladiator, riven etc) I don't have videos as I don't really have the time and equipment to make them like you guys do so let me just describe how I tested these. Melee dmg mods I tested this in simulacrum, much like how [distant Observer] did in his video. 1st with unmodded ash and melee weapon, could just barely kill a grineer bomber even after all bleed ticks. 2nd with a pressure point, killed bomber after a few bleed ticks. Finisher mods Same method as with melee dmg mods. I also found that there is no noticable difference between +60% finisher dmg and +60% melee dmg. Both would kill a bomber in 11-12 seconds with its bleed ticks. Atk speed mods Won't waste time here, they were tested with the same methods as [distant Observer]. Crit chance mods First i noticed that bladestorm triggered arcane fury. But dmg bonus from it messed up my tests so i had to unequip it and equip arcane tempo instead (on crit, +dmg on shotguns). I cannot give exact figures but with high crit chance mods, i trigger it more often. Crit dmg mods On tests where bladestorm does not trigger the arcane, grineer Bailiff lives with around half health. On targets that trigger the arcane, the Bailiff lives with still around half health, hardly noticable but a bit lower. I applied crit dmg mods (riven +132% crit dmg, organ shatter, gladiator might)... target lives with 1/10 up to 1/4 health. So my guess is, the crit chance and dmg is computed per hit of the clone, because even among those that triggered the arcane, the dmg was inconsistent but noticably higher than without crit. That's all, hope you can make a video on this to help all the ash mainers. IGN: clooxe

[@hanzohattori4296]

Update: I found that crit dmg mods affect bladestorm damage regardless if the crit arcane was triggered. Tested it the same way as damage mods. First unmodded melee weapon, resulted in Bailiff not even touching red blood (no parazon mercy kill prompt) no matte how many times I tried. Next modded with a total of 284.2% crit dmg and nothing else apart from other stats from riven (+88.9% atk speed / -5.6 combo duration). Resulted in some going past red blood. I would like to add however, that modding for crit dmg is by far less efficient than modding with dmg mods and finisher mods. This might be due to the base stats of the pseudo exalted weapon used in blade storm, which probably has low crit multiplier. As a conclusion, the best stats to go for in modding your melee for bladestorm are: 1. Damage 2. Finisher 3. Attack Speed So yeah, just like in this video. I guess in the end all i did was confirm it still worked lol.

[@mr.universe3072]

You're a life saver I was so confuse if it still worked, thx a lot man

[@PrinceInfinty]

Any update after the damage rework​@@hanzohattori4296

[@chrisstamatopoulos6918]

Really liked ur ash video cause of the nice music, the editing and the explanation that i was looking for. U earned urself a new subscriber keep it up

[@dahSweep]

Thanks so much for this. I have recently started playing again after quite a long break and I loved my Savage Silence Ash, and now it's even better with my Innodem and all the optimized mods. Flying through missions and killing everything, so much fun!

[@McGregou]

I LOVE the snooze path videos ! Such a nice work, thx for that

[@tyleryouta5676]

Honestly have always been a valkyr main but after getting crescendo r5 I've decided to give Ash a try and your video has peaked my interest for build ideas!

[@gacktcbiz]

Great build, works perfectly. Finally a reason to play my Ash again.... my favorite Warframe from way back.

[@LeGrandPleb]

Been over 3 years since I've played and come the 13th, I'm going to jump back into this, so this will come in handy.

[@WWIStrikeOut]

Keep up the good work, very informative vid brother!

[@Ianpact]

Thank you. I'm sure this was good amount of work but it was a joy to watch and it taught some things.

[@Truck_Kun_Driver]

Double shield Eximus Nullifier bois: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@Hmm_yoyo]

Always love a new distant observer video ❤🔥🔥

[@Ronin_Wrath]

very nice video i enjoyed watching these tests come down

[@artificialintelligence0101]

Just started playing again Ash is my new main I'm using this build thanks for all the hard work in putting this together

[@patrickonuohajr7406]

thank you. i cleared my ceramic dagger incornon build and forgot what i had on there and i spent hours searching for vids and the way to recreate exactly what i had and this was that and much more. sincerely man thank you 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@lawlesslyflawlessly8339]

Wait, i thought bladestorm inheriting mods and incarnon stats have been fixed since Abyss of Dagath, because Kengineer used to have a video showcasing it and a new pinned comment suggests that it's no longer working Edit: tested for myself, bladestorm can still be affected by mods, but if youre not running savage silence, the damage increase is somewhat negligible and I find that running rising storm augment + savage silence is probably a bigger damage increase. Imo although bladestorm can't really do much in steel path circuit (what I consider to be actual endgame), it's still more than enough for normal steel path.

[@jonaichi_09]

Haven't caught up to his videos but I remember that too Weird

[@SocratesWasRight]

Bladestorm with savage silence should do fine in circuit. Never had the chance to test though. Have you tested it?

[@Durz0.]

Should be fine with all the decrees available no ?

[@mathieuaurousseau100]

Yes the Incarnon modifiers affect statstick based abilities like they were mods, this is part of why the ceramic dagger is so good at it, and is why the mk1-bo incarnon is a better statstick than the normal bo incarnon

[@heatfangs8676]

I loved using this build when helminth was released, until that one time i sat in a exterminate mission for 15min. There i realized using silence with bladestorm counts only 30% of kills. If not for that bug this would be great

[@kurokuma7123]

dude your build is soo good

[@Stealth472]

Ash is my main and I have a build similar to this one. I also use the aug mod for the teleport with the savage silence, the damage is nuts, if you can tp to the enemy it’s dead.

[@supershadowfan2000]

Ok look, do I need that Banshee ability.

[@krizalidxd6373]

yes, Ash's bladestorm sucks ass in SP unless you use silence with its augment

[@hillbillysamurai]

Slaytra has a passive that is PERFECT for ash btw

[@Teixas666]

the Return of Cutscene Ash

[@Shaykiing]

Ash used to be one of my go to frames back when all you pressed was his 4th and everything around him would die. Looking at the build you can make a easy step path build without using blind rage a regular intensify would be sufficient. Run dual augments using rising storm and savage silence. Equipped raw damage and combo using the fragor prime

[@supersonic060]

ma boy, if you install melee crescendo on the innodem you dont need rising storm or any combo or combo duration mods

[@master_zeus]

thanks man.. gotta remember that i was using a wrong build lmao

[@cr1mc0rechannel83]

Thank you!❤

[@MrNoAvail]

I heard this was nerfed but uve been using something close to what you posted at its still been working for me. Maybe im wrong but it seems that way

[@lucasgorzizadasilva540]

Amazing video bro fr, can u give us a ash build but not focused on steel path, like without CZ and RG mods, which are very specific for survivability.

[@kadinnui2282]

Hi, thanks for the indepth overview. Does the build still work?

[@itsBAY35]

I've been using something similar and it works great. Got rid of all the combo count/duration mods though due to Melee Crescendo existing now. Even at R0 you only need 220 kills to hit max combo permanently, which is great for long style missions.

[@freeskilleur5173]

I get that the result is different but the damage numbers are the same, why ?

[@happyook]

what are you doing to get viral proc?

[@Xannyklause]

panzer vulpa

[@sergiof2642]

Without primed flow and energize im having a bit of trouble with energy management. Would be using equilibirum + streamline a good way of reducing the energy penalty from Blind range? I dont really wanna drop that mod since it gives a huge amount of str. I could also add fleeting expertise but then my duration would be trash.

[@Dashiexp808]

I use energy nexus and nourish for that problem. I also have zenurik to give it a boost and I kill things on steel path just fine

[@jshadow1515]

I use Archon Stretch with the Diriga sentinel and Mystic Bond. Blade Storm doesn't trigger Mystic Bond, so it only negates the energy cost of the more draining abilities, while Archon Stretch constantly recharges energy from Diriga's Arc Coil mod. Plus, as a bonus, if you use Manifold Bond and mod Diriga's weapon with viral, it acts as a primer and you get even more damage from Blade Storm!

[@wirez5174]

one key point I didn't notice til I carefully watched this video is that you said banshee's silence can DISABLE? these eximus units abilities? okay im never using something like nekros' Terrify subsume ability for armour stripping purposes. plus I love silence stunning enemies, it makes it just seem all too easy! great Ash build man :D. another Ash main has awakened!

[@shadekage01]

Join us in maining Ash

[@nickrobinson5715]

Love the build, but now that we have melee arcanes and tennokai, I'd love to see what you can do to tweak it!

[@Thunderbolt479]

I was able to do 1,000,000 damage approximately, with the Venka and Blood Rush, and a few other mods as well as the Epitaph for priming! This build is INSANE!!

[@JanterCyrano]

does the Mod of Status Damage for polearms affects bladestorm or any other ability?

[@duretrenald3914]

you forgot viral from the Panzer in the end, I love those big dmg so bad.

[@Xzeihoranth]

Oh, that's horrifying. I love it.

[@TheStagKnight]

When is part two comin out 😩😩

[@bigboss4993]

So wait what melee is actually the best for Ash?

[@Palayedeuhm]

Does condition overload work?

[@Xannyklause]

js, but just using a screenshot of the ability screen on Ash would be better, so that we can also see the helminth clearly. plus it'd also be easier on editing rather than having to include more text affects.

[@wykz5557]

It's not a bug, it was a recent buff that DE made. Aznvasions made a video about this, the clones finisher damage is now affected by damage mods, finisher mods, weapon base dmg and I guess elemental dmg as well.

[@wanderer202]

At the time azn's video was released, the clones themselves were also doing damage as if wielding a copy of your weapon. Damage that didn't show up as numbers on screen because it was damage the clone was doing itself. This was a bug, and one that DE fixed. Kengineer also did a video about it right around the same time, the difference is Kengineer updated the video description to let everyone know it no longer worked. The mod inherit has worked a lot longer, though. Also, this build definitely wants the new Melee Crescendo arcane, allowing for permanent initial combo gain on every enemy he blade storms. Combo Multi strongly improves the damage of the blade storm, so having high initial combo is the biggest damage boost you can give blade storm after Silence augment.

[@jarrow3720]

Does the 150% crit chance from the smoke screen augment factors in for the finisher damage?

[@TrillKump]

10:35 innodem 11:45 Ash

[@amvibes9633]

Don't even need Naramon or Combo mods when you have Melee Crescendo. Bladestorm kills count toward it

[@conceptazulado]

Awesome you're truly amazing 👾👾👾

[@Kemet1976]

I kinda miss Ashes old animation

[@BonzerMrT]

I’m no means a high level player or all that informed but I’ve played up until the new war and completed most of the Star chart (I hated the arching and railjack missions and kinda quit for a awhile) but my ash build for the most part has crazy energy gain/regen and even into harder missions invisibility and blade storm carries so hard

[@N0RF-1]

arcane dexterity ??

[@saiphersVT]

Explain how I can copy this build & not get CLOSE to the same results? wtf 😭

[@artt4423]

Any suggestions on which archon shards should I use on this?

[@lordofire6400]

crimson

[@Darkmatt3rPlays]

How do you opt in his bladestorm? Whenever I do it, he just stands around and enemies gets stabbed

[@hsmorg3640]

Use his 3 to join the clones

[@Darkmatt3rPlays]

@@hsmorg3640 thanks 👍

[@shadekage01]

Use teleport on a enemy that isn't currently being assassinated and u should be able to join in and see the badass animation of u destroying ur foes

[@Darkmatt3rPlays]

@@shadekage01 thanks bro!

[@shadekage01]

@@Darkmatt3rPlays np

[@Trinti11]

Any info on whether the new melee arcanes do anything for Ash?

[@henry600143]

The combo count on finisher one works as long as you don't join the 4 from my testing. But holy hell 12x combo

[@mu9600]

since you are killing them with only abilities (assuming you don't teleport), then gaining invisibility through sentinel or companion wouldn't be perfect for this build?

[@edwardhealey591]

Arcane trickery mostly sorts that out after the initial use of 2.

[@BonkBomk]

The damage is good, but just in the beggining you can see, 4 minutes in the survival and hes already at 30% life support, it has good damage and scaling but so little kpm that you will prob run out of life support by 10 min unless you use the capsules.

[@KinaIchi]

Build for more kpm on the Innodem, and you’ll have no issues

[@edwardhealey591]

What is the benefit to stacking combo for the 4?

[@Ikati-ny8fr]

the dmg of his 4th scales with combo counters

[@MstarSmith]

Is this viable without the Innodem? What other weapon could I use? Would Karyst Prime work?

[@mathieuaurousseau100]

In theory any dagger will do, it's just that the Innodem is the only one with the biggest finisher damage

[@SubDubTop10-ct6wk]

Any way to make this work without Arcane Energize? please

[@lanestoltzfus4871]

You dont need it

[@RossKyle95]

Strength doesn’t affect clones portion but maybe I guess for savage silence thing is elemental mods on melee and even CO is factored but it’ll one shot without silence tbh

[@shadekage01]

Strength does affect blade storm quite a bit, I deal 100k dmg with my strength being 450

[@RossKyle95]

@@shadekage01 remember there is two damage portions to Bladestorm , 1) clones physical hit aka it’s the finisher portion that is NOT affected by strength and can be the largest portion of the damage and it’s unlisted by game and you cannot see it proccing , then 2) the forced slash proc that is affected by it

[@shadekage01]

@RossKyle95 not exactly sure how it works since it is a bit complicated, but upping my strength definitely made a big difference for shadowstorm, it went from 1k to 100kdmg then I delt wayy more by using a zaw with finisher mods and also having silence to boost the dmg

[@RossKyle95]

@@shadekage01 yeah it affects the actual slash part not the finisher part , however if using savage silence then that affects the finisher bonus and thus indirectly strength can buff the clones damage , most of the it damage used to scale with literally Almost all melee mods but they “nerfed” it it still happens to a certain degree

[@shadekage01]

@@RossKyle95 how was it nerfed, and what parts were changed?

[@Disslikeinator]

i know it sounds like i am crying but i just dont see what the fianl build is lol , if just showed for a split second would be great . Iam 52 maybe iam just to old for this .

[@Ianpact]

Would Arcane Trickery proc off of bladestorm?

[@SocratesWasRight]

It does. That is how Ash gets far better invis uptime as you have overlapping invisibilities.

[@paranormalify]

what archon shards would you use on him ?

[@Dashiexp808]

Red ones for strength if anything.

[@attrition71]

excellent visuals friend. I really dislike Ash but this was fun to watch even as an LR4. Great video

[@master_zeus]

you don't need to brag about you being LR4 my guy

[@cosmicgoose9949]

Is all this still true / correct?

[@nicolasfrancisqueto6278]

Finally a new build for my ash, got bored of my old one and another reason for me to grind for that dagger Also First

[@hsmorg3640]

U could run Archon Stretch, and equip a Diriga with Viral and Electricity.. priming with Viral, and triggering Archon Stretch with Electricity. The new Melee Arcane, Melee Crescendo adds Initial Combo (1 at base, 6 at r5) for every Finisher Kill, and lasts for the rest of the mission.. so that might be very good if it works with Bladestorm, too. Viral Epitaph would probably be a fair primer, too, if Diriga isnt putting in the work. I dont think itd work with Bladestorm, but worth a try, and good for using Melee generally, but Amalgam Argonak Metal Auger could be interesting. (Reduces armor by 6 when Daggers deal damage)

[@Magushko]

WTF!? How finisher buff impacts damage? All numbers are the same! 7 138!

[@distantObserver]

Initial damage and proc damage are different instances. Take a look at the Savage Silence clip at 8:26, 49K initial damage which procs Slash yet the DoT are around 3K. The idea is to kill enemies with first blow and not relying on procs at all.

[@Magushko]

@distantObserver Yeap, I understand this. I talked exactly about first blows wich in 4:49 - 8:09 have value "7 138" in all cases but judge by HP bar damage is different. Same value on screen but actually different damage. I can't understand exactly this moment

[@Magushko]

@@distantObserver soooo, can you explain it? Please :clem:

[@SocratesWasRight]

@@Magushko It is counted as a specter and the UI does not show the second part of the damage. You only see it by healthbar moving lower.

[@Magushko]

@@SocratesWasRight Thanks!

[@DarkfuryGaming]

Works PERFECTLY WELL on wisp. Sorry not trying your technique with ash

[@H4zards1]

DOES THIS BUILD STILL WORK (PLEASE WORK)

[@asianpepperoni3871]

I think it does i mean ash 2 shots an accolyte with priming

[@felipecalatza6215]

i cant do that damage xD i was playing against corpus and they just tanked my 4

[@O.HIJ123]

Slash isn't that effective against sheilds

[@maestros_echo5770]

Ash ult does true damage, ignoring armour then force procing slash. Corpus have higher shield numbers than Grineer have HP, plus slash has innnate damage reduction against shield, but slash procs are effectivly true damage also. if you use a weapon then the hit doing slash would do less damage in turn doing less DoT, but in this case is a question of ignoring Grineer armour and melting their hp vs melting through Corpus shield with the same number. Grineer EHP is high due to armour stat, while Corpus is high due to raw numbers. think 200hp with 50% damage reduction on Grineer but you skip the damage reduction because of ash vs 50hp 250shield with a gate for corpus.

[@felipecalatza6215]

@@maestros_echo5770 ty for explaining

[@michalslavik1730]

Nerf incoming in 3... 2....1 lol

[@hillbillysamurai]

Ash is just too boring to even get to higher level content

[@chrismarple]

lol no you’re just dumb.

[@majly]

Ash is still not what he usto be, he has unfortunately been nerfed through the ground like 20 times