💥How to get aggressive tones with compression - The complete guide for Bass! Metal Bass Monday Ep.67

[@flabbath]

Finally. FINALLY. You have given me the ability to finally craft the bass tone I've been hearing in my head and lusting after. I cannot thank you enough. I just set up a bass patch on my helix and the difference with compression is like night and day. My bass sounds good finally.

[@RodneyMcG]

Love to hear that!

[@t.j.meechan682]

Best teacher on KZbin. The future is bright for you and your channel Rodney. Always a pleasure.

[@RodneyMcG]

You're too kind as always, sir!

[@t.j.meechan682]

@@RodneyMcG I've learned so much from you. I'm definitely not as good a bass player as i would like to be, but the info I've gotten from your channel has been incredible in helping me along. Appreciate ya sir!

[@RodneyMcG]

@@t.j.meechan682 Love to hear it!

[@SxSxG666]

I's bloody bla for over 5 minutes without saying anything about the topic.

[@benjaminlitzenberger6837]

I've only watched 2 videos of this guy so far and I’ve already learned 2 very useful big pieces of information on topics about bass

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad to hear it!

[@JPM777]

Same here!

[@pCeLobster]

I've noticed a lot of bass players abandoning the simplicity we once enjoyed and joining guitar players on the never ending quest for the perfect drive. Many have forgotten how powerful clean bass is. Clean eats distortion. Often times you can accomplish what you were wanting from a drive pedal just by turning up the treble, and it'll sound better than if it was actually distorted. I'm a fan of compression too and agree that having it at the end is the main thing. The double compressor trick is something I learned from Tony Levin. There are times when distortion is warranted and genuinely does sound better and more appropriate, but often times clean sounds better with the rest of the band. We bass players have to be wary of the tendency of distortion to sound better to us than it does to the listener.

[@gerioux]

Bass players have been using high gain for more than 50 years.

[@GastonBoilard]

I agree that a clean sound is vital. I split my sound right after the first compressor to let the clean sound go through in parallel with the sound going through my effects chain. it adds cleanliness and yet with all the colour that I want with the effects. I use the BOSS LS-2 to control the volume of the clean and the affected sounds as I wish.

[@sliverhandsonbasses]

Except that…no.

[@detunedpaper]

Clean bass down the middle of the mix is metal

[@havardask]

It would depend on what kind of sound one is looking for, no? Or are you suggesting that one type of tone fits all?

[@dvdlittell]

Rodney is completely right. I was doing just what he said. buying distortion and overdrives looking for the sound in my head. After seeing this post, I bought a Source Audio Atlas compressor (2 in's 2 out's) Running one at the front of the chain and one after my distortion on the dirt channel. What a difference!! Like night and day!!! Thank You so much for this valuable information!!! Saved my sooo much time and money!!

[@Dapno_]

I just keep coming back to these classics. Your advice is timeless. Probably because of your huge respect for and knowledge of bass gear history. Keep them coming man, this is a goldmine.

[@RodneyMcG]

I appreciate that!

[@GastonBoilard]

Although I understood compression before watching this video, you have the BEST explanation of what a compressor really does, very clear, complete and without fluff. I hope anyone who tries to understand compression finds this video. Excellent job Rodney. I also like the clarification about compression/distortion, and the importance of compression IN and compression OUT. Thank you!

[@RodneyMcG]

Great to hear!

[@FrontyardFootballwithfourguys]

I use a Seymour Duncan compressor and a sans amp and I get the clean punchy simple tone I’ve been looking for

[@driverbass1554]

I've watched this a couple times this week, just haven't commented yet. I really, really appreciate this. You really laid this out well. I don't yet have a compressor, plan to as I'm able to. I really didn't understand compression. One time was playing with in-ears at a festival with multiple bassists using same rig. Someone had a severe hard crushing clamp down and it was absolutely horrible. Everything sounded the same no matter how hard or light I played. My bass was loud in the in ears till anyone else started playing then it vanished. I now have some knowledge on how to use and look forward to experimenting. Thank you so much. Awesome, awesome information I really needed.

[@RodneyMcG]

Wow, that's sounds like a brutal gig! Really glad this came of use for you.

[@driverbass1554]

@@RodneyMcG well, the compressor was not on long 😉😂

[@RodneyMcG]

😂

[@driverbass1554]

@@RodneyMcG so yes, I really appreciate the detail you went into. I knew these things had to be useful, I know some pretty spectacular things can be done with compression, but just had no idea how to use it's powers for good. Now I have a good foundation of information to apply to a compressor when I get it. Per your recommendation I now have the MXR on many wish lists! 😃👍

[@Dombobaybee]

Just bought the mxr pedal the other day and THIS was the video i needed. Thank you. Gonna definitely subscribe.

[@Faifstarr]

fretless diy electrician self tought. no music education, i tune by hz. took me 1 year to learn to make bass go metal. this video schooled me. big ups. much love.

[@AtomizedSound]

Why tune by hz?

[@Faifstarr]

@@AtomizedSound becouse its the base reality that you can measure and it removes all of the historical culture biases. you can divide any frequency you like. psychoacousitcs is wierd man. you can fuck with human hearing.

[@lindaj2k]

Compressor at the end as well as the beginning... Best tone advice I have ever been given, thank you!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad to help!

[@jxorz6013]

Best explanation I've heard on the function and utility of compressors. I run a Bass Butler first in my chain, mostly because it hates following anything, and set its' optical compressor at about 11 o'clock because it grabs and boosts too hard for my dynamics when set much higher. Been thinking of adding a more controllable compressor at the end of my chain, too, and you've let me know that instinct is correct.

[@JesusisLord7877]

I do the same thing. 2 compression one 8n the beginning & one in the end. Thanks bro. This was really helpful. 👍

[@BTHpodcast]

I think for the podcast to have bass guest. From huge to independent artist/bassist. Bass players have been labeled as the quiet guys but we have a lot to say 😆 . Us Metal bassists have been under looked. It amazing to have this media and content for Metal bassist! Thank you!

[@RodneyMcG]

We defintely want some in the future. Don't miss the interviews on the channel i've done with David Ellefson, Rudy Sarzo, and Jack Gibson

[@BTHpodcast]

@@RodneyMcG Absolutely! Loved the one you did with Jack. Very underrated Bassist. Well done interview!

[@brianlimmy]

Played bass for 3 years but I was always just going to presets on my compressor. Got a 5 string and was pretty unhappy with how muddy the B string sounded. This video was exactly what I needed to get an awesome super clear and aggressive sounding B string! Thanks a ton!

[@mrmatthew2443]

Oh shit ..!! Yes yes , didn’t think of that Getting rid of flubby super low end I tune my e string down to dropped D and will try this Thanks

[@aldermach6194]

I started doing this a while back. I have a 2 channel rack mount gate/limiter/compressor. The preamp on my bass is so hot and the pedals I like to use push so hard that any volume set over the drums just feeds back when not playing. I tried just using pedal compressors and gates but they never did the job. I did this more out of necessity to keep things quiet but as I played with it more I found I could get an extremely good consistent tone out of any distortion pedal. I honestly thought it was overkill at first but thanks for making me not look crazy

[@seantierson2633]

Have a Sansamp RBI coming this weekend with an EBS multicomp. Definitely going to put this to use

[@arudd909]

I have a bass preacher compression pedal right now, the dark glass b3k comes in two days. Looks like I'm watching this video at the right time

[@AtomizedSound]

A compressor can make a world of difference for your tone that’s true. I’m not sure about a second one though to add in my chain. I have a MXR 81 preamp pedal with eq I can use pre or post that also functions as a DI to FOH since I don’t use amps when I play live. I don’t believe I could add a compressor at the end of my chain there without messing up the end signal right? I only have a drive fuzz and distortion pedals I use every now and then but not all at the same time. Idk, I feel only one compressor at the front of my chain might be good. Good video

[@marks5s603]

Just wanted to jump in and say that your thumb placement segment from last week has been quite helpful. I use an old Boss CS-3 before my pedals but never thought about using compression at the end of my signal. I will be giving that a try. Thanks again!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad to hear it!

[@EmanCarbone]

Yes, what Rodney is saying is very useful. Cascading compressors working in chain at subtler levels is also effective for studio and mixing applications, to manage gain reduction while preserving the "feel", rather than squashing the signal with just one. Since you're mentioning the CS-3: that pedal usually gets a lot of slack around (a bit like the ODB-3) as it is not the most balanced pedal with everything at noon, but it can be way more useful than many think. The thing with that pedal is that it has a VERY LOW, FIXED THRESHOLD, it tends to kick in pretty soon and limits a lot, often resulting in the pumping, breathing effect. To avoid this on bass, IMHO the best way is to keep the SUSTAIN knob almost at minimum, NOT HIGHER THAN 9 o'clock, and the ATTACK rather slow, at around 3 o'clock. It usually sounds ok when those knobs are "facing each other", 3 o'clock 9 o'clock. Another trick to cope with the low threshold is to turn the volume on the instrument down, but it gets noisier and is IMHO not needed for metal.

[@TorqueTheRich]

I never thought of compression at the end either. It's made a GINORMOUS difference in my output sound.

[@warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634]

Watched again after 3 years. Still learning

[@Andyanddiana467]

Already I can say the answer is YES. Especially since some compressors (the Boss LMB-3, the MXR DynaComp Bass mini, Fairfield accountant) can even function as drive pedals if you set them aggressively enough.

[@RodneyMcG]

Exactly, Andy. I think people really miss how crucial compression can be to your tone

[@Mrmemphisbones]

I am really glad you mentioned LMB-3, cause its an overlooked pedal, and in my humble opinion probably the best compressor you can get for 50 bucks or less and use for a lifetime. Keep the enhance knob close to zero, and let it do the rest. I wonder why BOSS misnamed LMB-3 as a limiter, and ODB-3 as an overdrive. They both can offer MUCH more.

[@RadityoPramAdi]

@@Mrmemphisbones +1 on the odb.. I found really weird setting, but it works for me very well...

[@agentxxvii]

As a guitar player who's not a very confident bass player, I was second guessing a lot of my playing choices, but turns out the tone I wanted was in there all along, but I was processing it all wrong. THIS is the advice I needed. Thank you!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad it helped!

[@micahdoublestein388]

Finally! Someone breaking it down. I've watched this video about 8-10x. I'm so much closer to the tone I've been hearing in my head for so long. I don't have the 2nd compressor for the output... yet. I've been tweaking the input compressor, EQ, drive, and blend. It's getting sooo close. I think just a little compression on the back side could lock it in.

[@RodneyMcG]

Awesome! Glad I could help. Go get it!

[@Messerschmitt07]

So I'm not mad... I've got two compressors, both Mark Bass Compressore. One in the first position and the second in the Fx-loop after preamp. My Spector Is so Happy.

[@ileutur6863]

Sounds like a problem I solved the moment I started using darkglass. Note definition is all there, I haven't touched the settings in 2 years and I fit into every mix

[@RadityoPramAdi]

can you tell me the settings...

[@ileutur6863]

@@RadityoPramAdi No cause what works for me won't work for everybody. Experiment and have fun!

[@vexideon4695]

THIS IS THE REALEST COMMENT, yes exactly!

[@tgdb4968]

What Darkglass do you have?

[@smachband]

@@tgdb4968 I'm pretty sure he is talking about B3k or B7k

[@TorqueTheRich]

Really informative video Rodney!!! Been a bassist for over 40 years and the 2nd compressor idea makes a ton of sense. I'm gonna do it. I'll keep you posted.

[@djacobmadrigal]

This video was extremely helpful; I play a wide range of rock: hard rock, prog, jazz fusion, thrash metal and doom; I borrowed a second compressor from a friend and it surely worked except I’m on the fence about how the compressors sounded playing drop C on my bass for doom. It seems some of the subtle nuances were missing with the compressors on. Your thoughts?

[@RodneyMcG]

It really depends on the settings used. It should be the opposite. Can't really judge over the internet.

[@dvkarloff]

Dude!! Thank you so much for this! You've been telling me to get a compressor for years haha, I never got a chance to sit down and ask you why. I love this channel!!

[@RodneyMcG]

I'm slow, but eventually I get you 😂

[@dvkarloff]

@@RodneyMcG hahaha

[@georgemcredmond35]

I like metal, though I am not much of a metal player. But this video was the most relatable explanation of bass compression that I found. Glad it showed up as a recommendation.

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching

[@svtbass]

Great Tutorial.. I am always messing with my attack and release on a Keeley Comp Pro and my Rack unit or PC plugins. I spend too much time doing so. LOL Parallel Type has helped me with that delema.. I was on a major label session in NYC many years ago at the old Hit Factory. The engineer did Parallel comp on my bass. I had no idea what that was back then. But it sounded FAT, HUGE, retained the dynamics and punch.. It later got the street name of New York Compression.. I think Seymour Duncan makes a pedal that does that but Dark Glass and Cali 76 may have much more control.. May not be OK for metal though.. But then maybe it could..

[@RodneyMcG]

Everything is ok for metal! You do you😉

[@andylambeth5643]

My pedals go through to a preamp pedal, before hitting the amp head - the preamp pedals presence control adds all sorts of bite and detail to the distortion, sounds unbelievable compared to without! A bit of compression on the amp head levels it all out for me.

[@aussieb1416]

where do you put it in?

[@AtomizedSound]

Same. I have a MXR 81 preamp pedal at the end which functions as a DI out for me since I just run my bass FOH. A compressor at the front of my chain obviously benefits but the preamp I have has an eq on board if I want to use it too. Adding a compressor at the end of that would mess with what I have I think

[@johnterpack3940]

The difference was insane. I never thought a compressor did anything more than balance a signal. Now I see I absolutely need to get one and spend time fiddling with the knobs.

[@Bassmeister_Jay]

Great video Rodney. Been outta the comments on here for a while but good to see I've got alot to catch up on.

[@RodneyMcG]

Hey Jay - Good to see you

[@rubenmedina326]

Thanks Rodney for this tutorial , with so many efects , eqs etc. is hard to figure if you're not a sound savy but this is helpful to understand the combinations distortion / compressor thanks again .

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad it was helpful!

[@pleasurementgui]

Want you to know I searched to look more into this topic of pedals hoping you’d be in the first few suggestions, when I didn’t see you on the general search I added Rodney McG because your content is so much better than any other regarding metal bass. Never disappointed! Rock on, supporter here, and considering joining patreon!

[@RodneyMcG]

Greatly appreciated!

[@philcore5205]

I discovered your channel some weeks ago and it is by far the best in detailed explanation regarding tone ! I learn a lot and is always an excitement getting something new from you. Regarding compression, now I know :) I was so frustrated not knowing how to get the tone we are all looking for. So I add here the generous man and teacher you are, as I haven't seen or heard so clear and detailed shared explanation about this topic until your video now. Now I have an issue: which compression pedal should I look for, as I don't have any now Cheers from France

[@RodneyMcG]

Greeting from the USA! I really appreciate the kind words, and i'm really glad the channel is helping you out. As far as pedals, I would try out a few demos and see what appeals to you. I would reccomend the MXR m87 for just a compressor, or myself, I use the AMT pangea Ultima. It is multi effects and cab sim, plus compressor if you want something that does more than compression in a small package. Good luck!

[@wateli]

Discovered your channel month or two ago, and i gotta say man, i love your channel and especially your tone! Have learned alot from your videos, keep it up! Cheers from Finland!

[@RodneyMcG]

Much appreciated! Welcome!

[@kristofkolosnagy9152]

I was good with full on distortion, but when coming to a clanky tone with a mild drive on it a compressor before the drive didn't do it, the high strings were just too snappy and loud, especially when doing popping. Compressor at the end of the chain is a game changer, thanks!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad it worked for you!

[@MichaelKane-d6g]

I think do episodes specifically on musicians with really unique sounds like Joey Demaio ManOwaR, Geddy Lee Rush Rickenbacker days, Steve Harris Iron Maiden, Chris Squire Yes, Gene Simmons Kiss and Geezer Butler Black Sabbath etc. detailed on what instruments, strings gauge, pick ups, amps and effects if the information is to difficult to come by maybe dialing in replicating sounds

[@ciddax754]

Man, I would love to have seen that years ago. I use as an input compressor the HyperGravity from TC electronic. It is fairly cheap and is a three band compressor, where you can adjust the bands to your personal liking. In my low channel lives a compressor pedal called Forcefield from the same company. It is just a standard singleband compressor to squash the bass a little more. At the end of the chain, I have an overdrive pedal with a tube in it. The gain of that pedal is only just a tiny little bit above zero, but I found out, that pedal works as a limiter too. A limiter is a specialized compressor, that prevents your signal to go over a certain level. My old warwick solid state amp sounds phantastic, but does not like to be overdriven at all. - As a general rule, it's often better to use two compressors with low settings, then one with hefty ones.

[@joeballs5669]

I agree...some bass od pedals also compress little with LED's or Diodes so just a pinch of compression at the end of the signal chain is all that is needed. other wise you're tone is too fucking squashed !

[@AtomizedSound]

Depends on your style and pedals of course. One compressor at the beginning can be sufficient enough if you have a small chain and balance well depending upon your given setup.

[@AmilcarBaxo]

Greetings from Brazil! I was really in an endless doubt regarding the use of the compressor in this case of tone in distortions! I was even looking to change my distortion unit, now I'm going to rethink this! And go to the use of the compressor in this idea that you suggested! Thank you very much, and great job!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad it was helpful!

[@chandude3]

I have an m87 compressor and a darkglass omnicron alpha omega, ive yet to use them both simultaneously for some reason. But im much newer to pedals and such. Thx for the tips im def going to be experimenting when i get off work

[@RodneyMcG]

Good choice. The m87 has some real grind to it when you push it. I think you'll like the results.

[@chandude3]

@@RodneyMcG at first i was having trouble getting it to pickup any input for the threshold to kick in, raising the pickups did the trick. Now since i dont have two compressors, do you figure i put the compressor before the distortion pedal or after? I have an m87 and the darkglass omnicron and a big muff that i bought thinking id like it, but the big muff just muddys everything too much so i never use it.

[@RodneyMcG]

I would put it first in a smaller setup

[@corpsekrusher]

Talking about distortion I’m sure you heard the instrumental on Testaments Low album. Greg Christensen I think. Anyway such an amazing wah distortion/fuzz and I’m sure compressed bass groove.

[@brianandrovic3897]

Another great video!!! McG does it again. They way you convey your information makes it very easy to understand. Simple and not in an elementary way. I would say in an intellectual way. Psychology major by chance?Lol. Content is presented in such a way that it effectively reaches more people. Very beneficial for nooks or anyone trying to pick up some good knowledge. I understand compression, threshold, attack, and release a lot better after watching this video. I like how you reinforce “know what you have and how to use it before discounting it”. You give a lot of sound advice, appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. Thank you. I think I would be a little further down the road if I picked up on your videos when I first started a few years ago. You da man!! Onto the next video

[@Jagdpz5]

Instead of a second compressor I lower the tube gain a bit in my Svt3-pro to get some of that natural tube compression. Works great.

[@chrisparker5278]

Two compressors here too. Now I need to learn to dial in compression properly

[@RodneyMcG]

It can definitely take a bit of tweaking, but once you get it it's all good. good luck

[@theerectus2004]

Thank you! I have learned something before buying gear. Been playing bass for 7 months.

[@RodneyMcG]

Great to hear!

[@NikkieRoxxx]

Lost for words..... very very well explained and demo'ed!!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@NikkieRoxxx]

@@RodneyMcG glad i found you and your advices. You are a rare pearl of youtube :) thanks for the hard work you do putting these videos up!

[@RodneyMcG]

@@NikkieRoxxx Thanks for the kind words!

[@stubennett7364]

Another awesome lesson never given it much thought but may help solve an issue I’m having.

[@RodneyMcG]

Hope it works out

[@toninice6876]

I have a multiband comp in the fix Loop of my preamp. Its the holy grail. Can‘t remove it.

[@sudsysutherland359]

I’m a huge fan of Peter Steele of Fallout,Carnivore & Type O Negative & I love Pete’s bass guitar sound on his “Type O Negative” albums especially on the album,”World Coming Down” & the “Life Is Killing Me” album especially \m/

[@RodneyMcG]

Add some Chorus for top-end brightness and Shimmer, and you can nail the later Type O sound

[@radwarriortv]

Dude this is Thee tone. Such a crushing bass tone, absolutely legendary

[@petergetzoni8538]

Definitely gotta take another look at my Mark Bass Compressore.been recently trying to dial a good clanky metal tone but like most been looking at my Dist. Time to start over

[@RodneyMcG]

Clank. It's always hiding whre you least expect it!

[@jameshawkins6760]

Thank you so much Rodney. This is going to help me a lot.

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad to hear it! More coming today!

[@oliverseal6462]

Thanks, great advice! In the studio the engineer is almost always going to compress the signal we give him. So, almost all of what we are hearing on recordings has compression at the end of the signal chain. After hearing your explanation though I have another question. In a live situation if I have a comp. at both ends of my pedalboard and then plug into my amp. does this mean I should not use the EQ in my amp. since it comes after the compression? Should I bypass the amp preamp or maybe run the last compressor in my amps effects loop?

[@RodneyMcG]

Good input. I would just bypass the preamp. If you've already gotten your sound, it's just going to Alter it. The power amp will do it a bit as it is

[@bimlenbamlen6289]

This video has helped me tremendously with my tone. Thanks Rodney!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad to hear it!

[@salottin]

Whoa, that was a HUGE difference

[@d.jacobush.7389]

Rodney, will you make another Metal Bass Microscope episode? If so, have you thought about Dan Lilker (Anthrax, S.O.D., Brutal Truth)?

[@RodneyMcG]

I will. It's atough one as I get hit with copyright a lot on them,s o I have to be careful. Dan would defintely be a great one.

[@d.jacobush.7389]

@@RodneyMcG I can imagine. It's very difficult for musicians to make content on KZbin nowadays. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next episode of Metal Bass Microscope.

[@RodneyMcG]

Thanks, Dennis!

[@mrmatthew2443]

Maybe the best explanation of compression and the different parameters , ratio , attack , release etc. … I also live the different scenarios you lay out A comp in the beginning of the chain and one at the end !! Don’t hear of this very often Just beware that any recording engineer or soundboard guy will compress us so that would count as the second comp at the end of our signal.. Very cool , thanks More clip on getting distortion and overdrive and how to use compression with and where with distortion pedals or an amp that got distortion or overdrive Thanks thanks thank you

[@cosmicanbu]

Awesomely explained, thank you so much!!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Caperetiree]

Interesting. The guitarists in our group suggested I get a compressor for my bass. This video did a very good job of explaining what a compressor does but I still cannot appreciate what the actual resultant sound will be like. Too hard to differentiate sounds on a KZbin video on a cell phone. I just ordered an MXR M87 compressor so we'll soon find out.

[@RodneyMcG]

Good choice on the MXR. I think you'll like it

[@samdelossantos2864]

Got a dark glass DI and compressor. Sounds killer

[@timbennetts6482]

OK.... so just tried this... you are a genius. Thank you

[@haroldwebler6461]

This is sick, thanks for this

[@icepick3528]

This is exactly the tone ive been looking for. Subscribed!

[@icepick3528]

So im gonna get the sansamp and what compressor do you suggest?

[@RodneyMcG]

SOmething simple and agressive. Maybe the MXR 87

[@icepick3528]

@@RodneyMcG i like mxr, got the old dimebag eq. Ok mxr it is, thanks buddy!

[@fernfernacelli]

Great content. If I understand correctly, there are comps that are best for sustaining at certain settings, and some that are best for limiting at certain settings. I try to use the ‘sustaining’ type early in the chain to affect the playing dynamics, and the limiting type to keep the overall chain ‘predictable’ (especially when different effects come in to play; modulation can surprise you at certain settings!). Again, great content here!

[@RodneyMcG]

Sounds like you have it down! Thanks for checking it out.

[@stevenhirsekorn3444]

I've been using a joyo copy of the mxr super comp for a while now, it was 50$ after shipping and 2 patch cables it is tremendous sounding.

[@RodneyMcG]

Tough to beat that deal

[@stevenhirsekorn3444]

@@RodneyMcG it was a no Brainer and it has been an integral part of my rig ever since.

[@andrewbuddemeyer8432]

I use a Trace Elliot Dual Comp from the 90's, it's killer🤘

[@RodneyMcG]

Those were great

[@4unkb0y]

great vid thanks. Re: distortion, personally I prefer the Geddy Lee/Billy Sheehan technique for clarity: split the signal. After the compressor (mine has two outputs :) run one channel into the board & the other into my SansAmp (the "blend" knob kinda does this but the end result sure doesn't sound the same). The ESP Billy Sheehan pedal does this really well. Great tip on the 2nd final compression stage BTW. I just do it on the board but it makes sense to have a specific post-effect compressor for the bass if you really want to get it sounding professional.

[@RodneyMcG]

Great input, thanks!

[@4unkb0y]

​@@RodneyMcG *two* inputs :-) there's a cool vid on EBSSweden's YT channel where Billy Sheehan explains how his signature EBS drive pedal works: /watch?v=EwSpQ9a-3Lk it's a pretty impressive little bit of kit. I just watched it again; I'd forgotten about the bit where they socketed the dual op-amp so you can change it with other chips that distort differenty.

[@coreywoodruff490]

It may be odd but I use two DI pedals. The sans amp v1 and an Eden wtdi. I usually loop them threw the head. After watching this I wanna try plugging my bass into the eden into the amp and then looping the sans amp in my head.

[@Tsudkyk]

I found that it’s not how high the gain knob is cranked, but it’s about finding the right amount of gain at each stage of gain. Rather than cramming all of the gain from the preamp, I like to send a my signal into the amp slightly compressed with a touch of gain. This seems to push my pre amp into a nice textured overdrive. When I crank the power stage the low end becomes tight and precise. I guess my point is, don’t rely on one link in your chain to achieve your tone- find a good balance with the right gear. Experiment and enjoy the experimentation. It’s all about having fun!

[@coveryourears3851]

I’m finding this to be the case with my rig, multiple gain stages with each just adding a little bit into my amp gain set at 9 o’clock. Not mushy, just deep enough and tight, love it.

[@The_Absurdistt]

Good video. Showing the actual signal chain would have made it great. Cheers.

[@tommygibson9515]

Awesome content.. would have been really good to have an example of an after eq example of turning the compressor on and of to hear the difference,, in terms of what you were saying about using two compressors

[@RodneyMcG]

More to come on that topic!

[@cultofbass]

Great video...I had wondered about this but not experimented yet...you answered all my questions..thank you

[@CarlosGarcia-bu7pq]

Do you need two compression pedals if your using an amp like an orange 4 stroke that has a compression knob already ? Yes planning on using an eq pedal that’s why I ask .. thanks !

[@RodneyMcG]

You could use that for sure, but I would find out where in the signal chain the compressor is so you can place your other in a different location. 2 compressors at the beginning or end will be overkill.

[@diskovolos]

Totally agree with you. I use a TC Electronics SpectraComp to tighten and boost my signal before going into the OD pedal. This combination sounds so much better than just the OD. Even though I totally understand you point of view, 2 compressors would take up too much pedalboard real estate , so I settle with just one.

[@RodneyMcG]

I get that totally. The advantage I have is that I use the AMT Pangea that has a compressor in it as well as my EQ, speaker Sim, and a number of other effects and it's probably the tiniest pedal I've ever owned! So I actually save space and have a second compressor built in

[@chrispchrist8074]

@@RodneyMcG ok cool, I was going to ask how to add compression after my Darkglass ultra with DI out, and I love it’s cab sims. Sounds like I either have to stick with that set up (sounds pretty good) or add the Pangea after and use it’s stuff, but does it have a DI out or would I have to get a standalone DI box last in the chain?

[@RodneyMcG]

@@chrispchrist8074 It can do balanced trs out, so it can do DI

[@chrispchrist8074]

@@RodneyMcG oh right! I totally forgot about that approach...is there any real audio difference between a balanced trs cable and an XLR into a board or PA head?

[@RodneyMcG]

@@chrispchrist8074 None at all

[@raphaelcote3577]

Very informative video that a lot of guys miss indeed! I was wondering, what are the settings you use on your compressor to add some attack/grind?

[@RodneyMcG]

It depends on how hot my pickups are and the specific compressor, but I find i don't hve to go past 6:1 most times to get a decent crunch happening. If you really want it crushed, just dial it all the way until it's basically a limiter. No dynamics, but lots of grind.

[@RobertPletscher]

I'm using a tri band compressor as first and always on pedal. Never thought of a second compressor at the end, that's something I'll have to try. Thank you very much for this valuable input.

[@RodneyMcG]

Really glad it helped

[@StephenBecker]

I've been doing this for a while with a cheap Joyo compressor to slam the front end of my SH-1 to get a really aggressive tone. Thinking about getting a more tweakable/capable pedal though. Been eyeballing an MXR M87...

[@RodneyMcG]

Solid choice.

[@MightyGodlikeG]

That was really insightful. I've been using a compressor for quite some time and understood the basic effect of it, but your explanation really showed how i can get the sound i'm aiming for. I have my bass signal running into my sansamp, then into the compressor and then into my odb3 overdrive, which i use if needed, but the distortion that comes out of it, always seemed fuzzy and muddy in the background. I'm gonna try out your tips and toy around with the compressor and look how it effects my sound in the end with and without distortion

[@themigwel6185]

Great compressors suggestions for like, 80’s heavy metal and rock?

[@markusorth5450]

The artwork on your monitor looks like a version of La Belle Dame Sans Merci, or at least someone whose painted a version of that.

[@RodneyMcG]

It's the Lady of Shallot, John William Waterhouse

[@mrvsbhs]

I have the MXR bass compressor. Anyone have any settings that work for this tone?

[@TomMarello]

I also use two compressors placed at the beginning and at the end of a signal chain and it works great!

[@RodneyMcG]

It's the sandwich of beast tone!

[@stonygrantham4681]

@@RodneyMcG end of sig chain? so go to my poweramp AND FOH out of the 2nd comp?? no one explains this one. love all your doin Mr. Rod!!

[@RodneyMcG]

@@stonygrantham4681 Correct! Glad you're enjoying the show.

[@thorazine86]

Great video Rodney! I use a compressor in the beggining of my chain just before the distortion and preamp...then i compress on my DAW when recording. In live gigs i let my amp do naturally the work of compression/distortion using the same signal chain. PS: is there a video where you showcase your Schecter 4 string double P? i'm in love with that beast!

[@RodneyMcG]

Not specifically, but i think i used it for a good bit in my Tech21 DP-3x demo.

[@iericnierman]

Huge difference. Great video. Thanks.

[@JPM777]

This is probably a dumb question for many, but I'm a newbie in bass here: I have a Keeley compressor that's used by guitarists mainly. Does it also work for bass?

[@RodneyMcG]

Not dumb at all, and yes, you can use it. Any compressor can be used with Any instrument.

[@legion2954]

That was really helpful. Thank you!

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad it was helpful!

[@adilsonportojr.245]

I would like to hear more about how to guarantee (the much as possible) the same tone live that I can get with all the plugins that I can use to record.

[@anthonyelectric6045]

Geez man I better start paying attention. This video lesson is priceless 👍.

[@RodneyMcG]

Ha! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@anthonyelectric6045]

Your helping a lot of us with your intuitive videos. Definitely appreciate it

[@RodneyMcG]

Glad to be of service. Thanks for watching.

[@kotik_lit]

Wow you use AMT pedals? I use their wah pedal, it sounds good. And extremely compact.

[@RodneyMcG]

Yes I do! I use a lot of AMT gear. I'll be showing more of it here soon.

[@cuzOoba]

This was really helpfully. Might actually buy a decent compressor now

[@RH-xs8gz]

Where is the best place to put a compressor in your signal chain? I currently have my compressor in the beginning. And have you done a video on signal chain effects order in general? Thanks

[@RodneyMcG]

It depends on what you are trying to achieve. I would try it with your own setup and see if you like it at the beginning or end. I haven't done a specific video on signal chain, but have discussed preamps, etc, a number of times on Metal Bass Monday.

[@RH-xs8gz]

@@RodneyMcG thanks for the info!

[@JLeppert]

I will try this.

[@robertvillegas7472]

Thanks Rodney ! Cheers 🤙🏾👍🏾

[@misapproprationofconscious9236]

Switching the eq to before my compression fixed my tapping. I switched it to before eq when started using a compressior instead of a limiter and now I am wondering if the limiter would serve some purpose as a second compression at the end of the chain or if it would be to much compression.

[@RodneyMcG]

You'll only know by trying. I would use a limiter in it's lighter settings

[@MrReplica77]

Normally in my set up my bass head is an SWR workingmans 4004 along with the darkglass micro tubes b7k. The single stompbox not the dual lol. And even though It’s been on my radar, it’s I just didn’t wanna dive into it without doing some homework and well I came across this video and amazing job on breaking everything down. What brands/ pedals would u recommend?

[@RodneyMcG]

It really depends on what type of sound you're after. The MXR 87 seems to be p[oular. I use the one inside my AMT Pangea as well as the Source Audio Ultrawave.

[@ikestoddard2458]

Your podcast sounds like fun! Make sure you review a pedal a month, if possible !

[@RodneyMcG]

If I can get someone to send out one a month, it's a deal!

[@MrPx93]

What’s the difference or which is better comparing a compression or a limiter?

[@RodneyMcG]

Compression is a wider range of control. Limiting is harder / higher squashing. I would go comp for versatility.