Why Firefox Is Dead (The Many Mistakes Of Mozilla)

Firefox used to be one of the most popular web browsers. Now, barely anyone uses it. What happened to this once great free and open source browser?
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[@Malik-101]

firefox is not dead, i am currently using firefox,

[@kritnicol8546]

The fact you are using it doesn’t mean it’s not dead. You can still install and use windows vista. The fact that you can doesn’t mean it’s not dead

[@muudus_tv]

Now this is a desperate move i dont expect from any content creators in Linux community. Just don't post anything if you haven't got any content ideas yet.

[@Doctor_Glados]

@@kritnicol8546vista is EOL. Firefox is not. Just because you don`t like it, it doesn`t make it dead.

[@mcdeleve]

Me too

[@Halauris]

I am still using it too.

[@007Strings007]

I use Firefox (librewolf) because I don't like how big of the market Chrome has.

[@COIN_a]

Isn't librewolf just pre-hardened firefox with delayed updates?

[@Alex-cq7eg]

@@COIN_a also sans Mozilla’s telemetry. But I think you can get the same level of privacy (and probably more) with Arkenfox.js

[@007Strings007]

@@COIN_a yep

[@proletar-ian]

@@COIN_a The delay isn't big, a few days or so. I'd take that over having to harden Firefox myself.

[@Keizer_Soze]

yup librewolf ftw.

[@centralintelligenceagency8811]

Don't care, still using firefox.

[@gizzmoguy.]

Firefox is still the best Browser for me.

[@0stre]

Same, still FF user, and I don't plan on switching to another one.

[@garygranato9164]

what is better than FF + adblock ?? cant believe this guy is saying this !!

[@bobbybologna3029]

yeah dunno tf he's talking about, writing this on FF..

[@Artoooooor]

#metoo

[@galen__]

Long time Brave user here, but recently started using Firefox as my daily for the first time in over a decade. On my POS Intel MacBook, Firefox doesn’t stutter when scrolling or watching KZbin unlike Brave. I tried so many ways to fix this that I almost started compiling my own version of Brave to start debugging what was broken. Instead, I installed Firefox and it’s actually amazing 😅

[@hotrodjones74]

I switched to Firefox from Brave. But I still use Brave on mobile. I feel like with proper set up you can't go wrong with either one.

[@amir3515]

I was using microsoft for some time but for the past couple months i've been using firefox and i like the way you can customize it with the user chrome css file. i think it's refreshing to use something other than chromium. on another note, it's a shame web browsers have to use so much resources nowadays, yeah i know it's maybe security related, but think about how overpowered computers have become yet opening up the browser to a simple text web page causes the fan to start spinning at max speed.

[@marivanmendes2841]

Same here

[@nichohells]

Not to mention Firefox is a native wayland application 😎🔥

[@adorablecat9589]

​@@hotrodjones74Same here sir. Brave on mobile phone is like god tier for me and firefox is best for desktop 😂

[@rawbeartoe_AK]

That is why I use LibreWolf, it is to Firefox what Brave is to Chromium.

[@Masta_E]

I will have to check it out!

[@miller42]

Yeah, LibreWolf is pretty good. No forced ads for Amazon and Google.

[@nord2992]

Floorp is also great, switched to it from librewolf.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

More like what Ungoogled-Chromium is to Google Chrome. Brave has its own "features" tacked on.

[@lussor1]

​@@Sasha-zw9ssstill privata by default, firefox is scummy tracking settings enabled by default and now in v128 a new one of an Ad company

[@user-uf4rx5ih3v]

I think your criticisms of Mozilla the company are quite valid. It's worth pointing out that Firefox is two things, it's the browser engine Gecko and an interface to it, which is Firefox proper. Similar to how Chrome is the Chromium engine + Google spyware. Keeping the above in mind, when you say Firefox is a bad product, you probably mean that the whole application is bad? How is it bad? From a user perspective, it has the same UI as Chrome and similar extensions, better extensions even. As for additional features like password management, history and sync between devices, it's excellent. It's better then Brave for sure. It also has good security features. Perhaps you had a bad experience with performance? For me, running Firefox vs Chromium I have similar loading times, with a few millisecond difference in favor of Chrome, but not always. The way I was running this test was probably not ideal, and it's just my computer so I do not want to make the false conclusion that Firefox and Chrome run the same on every machine, I just want to say that at least for some users, Firefox is very performant. What I will say it that Firefox has had difficulties with Google and Microsoft products. Teams was broken for a while, Google docs don't work great. Is this a direct sabotage from Google specifically, YES! Microsoft said as much, Apple also had many complaints. Let's give Google the benefit of the doubt and assume their competitors are just bad mouthing them. Why then is every other service work well, except Google products on non Chromium engines. Every service on the web I've used was fixed to work with Firefox eventually. Yet Google products always have problems, non stop. For a product, Firefox is a decent offer. I personally use something called Floorp, which is based on Firefox, with a UI I find very convenient. As for the ideology part of things. Let's say we don't like Mozilla and want our own new browser as a community. How would be build that? Web browsers are extremely complicated, you don't just make one from scratch and expect it to do anything. People have tried and people have failed. It's way better to build off of something, and that something is Gecko. It's not a perfect engine by any means, but I believe that it's build with solid designs in mind. You say Chromium is free and open source. You can delude yourself in thinking that, but in reality it's all a farce for Google to control the internet. They decide adblock is not allowed, Chromium wont allow adblock, it's that simple. Google decides some features of the internet are not OK, those features become extinct. Microsoft (one of the contributors of Chromium) will support them because they want to spy also. Brave is not going to save you. That's why the ideology has always been to have competition on the browser engine side.

[@user-in2cs1vp6o]

In just saying this guy won't ever run wayland. A very opinionated dude, not necessarily the most reasoning behind it all

[@Dratchev241]

that is my issue with brave, they are tied to the whims of google. I know they say they won't allow the manifest v3 in brave... but how so? (i am not a coder) but when google decides to Mv3 to stop ad block what kind of code changes will be made to chromium? it may be impossible to use that v3 code base to turn it back into v2. So is brave going to fork the chromium engine? if so why have they not already done it years ago getting away from "be evil" google.

[@lcssbr]

​@@Dratchev241In that matter, they only need to patch chromium code or clone it right after those bad changes.

[@Dratchev241]

@@lcssbr and that is the problem. No idea what the v3 changes "be evil" google will make to the code. it may make it where if it isn't fully in the code breaks. Which means brave would have to fork the project at the last good base which if they have to fork then why the f they ain't done so already getting away from "be evil"?

[@tarikulislam686]

🤣🤣

[@Gerdoch]

"I need some clickbait. Let's just say Firefox is dead!"

[@gizzmoguy.]

Agreed smh

[@MI7DJT]

@@gizzmoguy. Yup.. total B$ video.

[@UltraZelda64]

Stating the obvious is not clickbait. That's not how it works.

[@gizzmoguy.]

@@UltraZelda64 So.......Firefox is obviously dead?

[@dullahangaming5107]

It is objectively on deaths door statistically.

[@DJSammy69.]

April Fools was months ago! It has been said that Firefox is dead for years. It ain't going no were.

[@chungushook]

i mean, 2.88% market share is really bad, especially considering how many users it used to have. wouldn't say its dead, but they are doing something wrong and should try to improve before they actually are dead.

[@DJSammy69.]

@@chungushook As long as you can download new version and it gets updates, it ain't dead. They might be minority now days but every other browser is pretty much using chrome/chromium.

[@jhaokip23]

It ain't going nowhere because Google likes it that way.

[@SergioBocanegra]

i use floorp it's based on firefox and is made by a japanese foundation.

[@jibberjabber6919]

"nowhere"

[@lightningx10]

Gotta disagree on Brave being "focused on just being a good browser". Have you seen the amount of crap they pile on top of it? Who needs a janky crypto wallet in their browser with ads on the homepage? Frankly out of the box Brave is just as unusable as Firefox if not more so. I agree that Mozilla as a company should probably cut down and focus on software. I hope somewhere down the line that Google does actually lock down chrome and break things, maybe it will trigger people into realising that this is another internet explorer and we need diversity in the browser engine space. I don't know why you don't give a hardened Firefox fork a go, it will be slower than chrome granted, but it will respect your privacy and is actually open source. The "open source" nature of Brave is a bit dubious imo.

[@dez0rted291]

I wanted to write the same thing, lol

[@gregorybrannan7202]

It started that way, but moved away quickly. I’ve switched back to Firefox, actually.

[@DanteMishima]

I run LibreWolf and Floorp and I'm very satisfied

[@jhaokip23]

I think the point is users shouldn't have to resort to "hardened forks" for basic privacy ootb, hence the "focus on software" point.

[@Flashback_Jack]

Brave isn't revolutionary. It's basically a stripped-down Chrome with uBO filters baked into it.

[@greendblink182]

Strongly disagree. My entire company uses Firefox and we do a lot of work with the government and every time I'm at a government engineering facility, everyone is using Firefox.

[@rlifts]

Funny you say that cause I was at a job once in which we used Linux computers and they made it to where employees could only open Firefox and nothing else to do their work. Solid as hell, I can't say the same about Brave on wayland or chrome.

[@wassim-akkari]

@@rlifts agree firefox is very stable under wayland, I got back to using firefox a year ago and it's been very good and performance is very good.

[@OpenBASED]

That should make you more worried than anything.

[@Tuishimi]

I don't. I work for a company with >40K employees and guess what the vast majority use? Chrome. Of course our company has certainly nerfed parts of it... I am also using chrome on my Ubuntu/Wayland build. Part of that is I simply gave up on privacy, I even had a google phone and all my bajillions of sorted and maintained links backed up by google in the cloud. lol!! But I guess some companies DO prefer firefox and some don't. The only true way to know is to check website hit statistics.

[@nlmaster9811]

How is this the case? Smart cards don’t even work with Firefox.

[@TheSynrgy1987]

*watches video via firefox, daily browser on every device for the last 20 years.

[@tarikulislam686]

🤣🤣

[@edstar83]

I miss Netscape

[@TheDrunkenAlcoholic]

firefox might be loosing users in the windows community, but its definitely not in the Linux community, that chart you mentioned is very much a indications of the user base mostly consumed by windows users. maybe talk statistics within the linux community and you will see it a lot more than 2%

[@AaronStarkLinux]

Firefox is dead according to you. But it's pretty much alive.

[@theworldoffun8997]

Mozilla is just a company with no reason to compete with Google since they are getting huge pay checks from them, so they don't even try to oppose Chrome, while modern days developers or hopeless zoomers slowly move into the whole walled gardens of big corporations ecosystems with n competition. And mozilla does not even try to do anything and try to get initiative back from google

[@stellarorbit1341]

You probably didn't even watch the video.

[@AaronStarkLinux]

@@stellarorbit1341 Firefox wasn't working when I tried to play the video.

[@X91X-km7hp]

@@AaronStarkLinux LMAO!

[@lewisse_8966]

@@AaronStarkLinux Amazing response lol

[@eliasjachniuk4427]

DT: "you can't live in imagination. I'm just a realist" Also DT: "Maybe somebody with deep pockets that really deep pockets who loves Foss. We'll probably get some alternatives in the near future." Bruh

[@fotnite_]

Seems like he doesn't understand how that money works. As unlikely as it is that this would happen, it's even more unlikely that it would happen AND be independent. Look no further than Brave itself, which has continually tried to insert invasive ads into their browser. If they got significant traction you better believe they'd go down the same enshittification route that Windows has been going down, and if you fork you don't get access to the same funding that Brave has from billionaire mega-donors, so good luck trying to compete.

[@n0viewers409]

Man for a dead Web Browser it still ships as the default for almost every Distro I have ever installed.

[@michalsvihla1403]

Wow, it really does ship with an OS that barely anyone uses on desktop, huh? That must mean it's popular!

[@danielalvesldiniz]

hm, if "firefox has 2% of market share" is a reason not to support firefox, why support linux at all? when it comes to personal computers (not talking about servers here), is linux that much better than 2%?

[@Winnetou17]

Don't want to be an apologist, but I think the reason is about what he said that a new browser has bigger chances. Because of the baggage. Firefox is 2.88% but on the decline. Linux is 3-4% but growing.

[@danielalvesldiniz]

@@Winnetou17 sure, but linux has been "on the rise" for a long time now...

[@Winnetou17]

@@danielalvesldiniz Yeah, it literally is since early-mid 1990s. But I think it matters less right now. What matters is that is on the rise. Multiple people excited for its future. With some companies, like Valve, commited to improve it. Firefox, sadly, doesn't have that. And I'd so wish it did. For me it still runs very good. Though not perfect, as some websites simply don't check for Firefox (which is closest to running the actual web standards)

[@danielalvesldiniz]

@@Winnetou17 yeah I've been using firefox for a long time now and really wish it would succeed but that seems unlikely :(

[@ParinyaTeerakasemsuk]

There's no relevant open source alternative to Linux in desktop OS space. But there's Chromium, which is 100% open source and a better alternative to Firefox. People can grab the source then fork however they like regardless of Google consent, like what Brave does for example.

[@JeffreyBodenstein]

Still using Firefox - Plugins still are active development so it is not dead. Problem is safari and chrome are defaults in the OS wars and made to be a pain to change. Normal people just sigh and use that is there. But dead nope.

[@BrendonKing]

The extension economy is nowhere near as vibrant or robust as the competition. People mistake "death rattle" for "relevant"

[@m-danya-327]

Supporting chromium is not a good idea considering Google's plans to slowly wipe all adblocks. Firefox on mobile maybe is slow, but it has extensions! An adblock on a phone!

[@TheExileFox]

no. Firefox on mobile is not slow. Chrome on the other hand is.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

They don't plan to do that, and they have no ability to. Brave's adblock is not an extension, for example.

[@ryzechdev]

@@shaunpatrick8345they do and they can

[@LovecraftianGodsKiller]

What I find funny is firefox on mobile performs worse on a samsung phone than a pixel. I got a pixel like 1.5 weeks ago and firefox (I specifically use fennec) and webpages don't load NEARLY as slow as they did on any samsung phone I used.

[@s1nistr433]

Firefox isn't dead but it's deteriorated in quality over the years and by now it's almost unusable. It feels extremely clunky, multiple websites load in slow especially discord and youtube which take literal minutes to load up and causing high cpu usage, it might be due to the layoffs causing the project to stagnate as the web evolves but who knows. I switched to Throium, a chromium based browser that removes the google spyware and has massive performance gains over stock chrome (they say 8-30% depending on the websites). For popout player there's chrome extensions for it, for multi-containers you can just use separate profiles which does the same thing. For ad blocking (like concerns with manifest v3) you can just block the domains with the linux hosts file with is more secure anyway, there's tons of premade scripts for it on github. I get wanting to use Firefox to protest against google's monopoly but if it doesn't function properly it's not worth the effort.

[@BloodblayeGaming]

Tried using Brave, did not like the design and the shitty cryptocurrency. I much prefer Firefox because its simple and familiar.

[@moister3727]

Yeah, that's why i like Firefox. Brave can be customize to not show any of that crap, but it's a hassle

[@michaelking8306]

Key word is familiar. Chrome is familiar. Safari on Mac is familiar. McDonald's is familiar.

[@dullahangaming5107]

The crypto stuff has a one button switch to turn off in settings.

[@gurriato]

It's familiar if you have the memory of a goldfish.

[@BloodblayeGaming]

​@@gurriatolol okay

[@yousefshorafa80]

Watching this video on Firefox

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

Watching on Floorp.

[@distant6606]

@@TheSolidSnakeOil same 😎

[@Amos_Huclkeberry]

@@TheSolidSnakeOil I haven't used Floorp before.

[@LovecraftianGodsKiller]

@@Amos_Huclkeberry Floorp is kind of firefox with a lot of vivaldi features. It is an INCREDIBLE fork. HIGHLY recommend checking it out.

[@bluecat-114]

I use Firefox, ad blocking works better here than in Brave, I like the containers and the default privacy values ​​can be easily changed, and the performance is almost the same as Chrome

[@wikingagresor]

What do you mean when you say that 'ad blocking works better in FF than in Brave' ? After using Brave for few years now I'm happy to report that I don't see any ads on any website. FF needs some shady plugins for it. In Brave it works ootb.

[@lussor1]

Works the same

[@wassim-akkari]

I still use firefox I don't understand why people prefer chrome, it litteraly does everything and more.

[@tvh024]

I only use Chrome for sites like KZbin, Twitch, Gmail etc. By having to login you'll lose your privacy anyway.

[@wassim-akkari]

@@tvh024 Actually I've seen bechmarks where firefox beats chrome in twitch.

[@Count_Smackula]

I use Firefox for all those things too and have zero problems.

[@Mario583a]

They like the UI of Chrome. The like the entanglements of Google stuff which you can easily bookmark and add keywords in Firefox. They like the "it just works" methodology on sites that only see web traffic of Chrome They like the PWAs, which are just headerless browser shortcuts and are still in the Working Draft phrase according to W3c.

[@alvallac2171]

*Firefox. I *Chrome. It *literally

[@mentalmarvin]

Firefox is still the only one that has multi-account containers. I use it everyday. Also chromium browsers have a lot more mitigation against adblockers

[@shaunpatrick8345]

What mitigation against ad blockers does Brave have, other than it doesn't need external ones?

[@mentalmarvin]

@@shaunpatrick8345 I'm talking about sites that will block access because you have an ad blocker, their scripts are usually made for chromium based browsers and harder to navigate around without messing with the inspection tab

[@MrGrayWulf]

Is it dead?? I still use Firefox and works just fine

[@MistyKathrine]

It's not dead, this just just here with clickbait.

[@Glicerol]

Chrome sucks, I use firefox

[@CyborgZeta]

I like your channel DT, but I'm afraid I don't agree. Firefox may not be as popular as it once was, yet it's still alive, and still works very well for me and many others. Yes, Mozilla has made dumb or questionable decisions over the years. Yes, I don't always agree with the political views of the people at Mozilla. But I still trust Mozilla more than almost any other tech company. Also, I separate the politics from software. Mozilla's political views have no bearing on who can use Firefox. One last thing. Chrome will never be superior to Firefox on mobile. Firefox (on Android, anyway) has extension support; including UBO. I can block ads in Firefox and enjoy the Internet. Chrome has no such thing; you need an adblocking DNS or VPN to not have ads in Chrome on Android.

[@SwiatLinuksa]

Kiwi Browser is based on Chrome and have scrubber good working afs blocker - 2years on mobile no big issues...

[@CosmeBenito]

Saying it doesn't make sense to use Firefox because they only have 2% marketshare is like saying using Linux doesn't make sense because it only has 2-3% marketshare. I prefer other chromium-based browsers but, like you, I don't mind using inferior software that better represents the values I want to see on the web.

[@frankboyer1490]

What a weird take. Firefox needs to improve, sure, but thinking Brave is some champion of privacy is ridiculous. Same with the comments about Chrome's performance. Oh, and let's not forget how fun Manifest V3 is going to be.

[@lussor1]

Explain us why brave is bad

[@tuckersguitarfiasco]

Firefox is dead? Then how am I still watching this on Firefox?

[@tarikulislam686]

🤣🤣

[@johnny2598]

I see many people don't know that Google funds Mozilla. Most of the revenue of Mozilla Corporation comes from Google (81% in 2022) in exchange of making it the default search engine in Firefox.

[@dennisbecker7187]

2% market share? Linux on desktop is dead.

[@thrackerzod6097]

Been using Firefox for over 20 years now, it and Mozilla are doing good in a market with extremely fierce competition.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Unfortunately, while I don't agree with Derek on everything, I agree with him on this regard. Mozilla has continually made poor decisions, refused to implement community decisions, and has focused on too many frivolous side projects that are hurting Firefox and Thunderbird. Heck, Thunderbird almost died and it took a massive fundraiser to keep it alive, and it made a turn around. Unfortunately, I don't see the same happening with Firefox, especially with all of the underbaked and missing features, the ignorance of the developers, and the mismanagement of Mozilla. I'm currently using Vivaldi, which is not FOSS and also Chromium-based, but it's the best option for me. It has PWA support, it has more extensions than Firefox, and it just feels much more up to date than Firefox, more stable, and is faster. I'm not defending Google here, but Mozilla has made so many bad decisions that maybe it's time to let them die.

[@CrazySalieri]

Yep. And Firefox is surrounded by almost an cult. That is one of the reasons of its downfall...

[@d3stinYwOw]

They currently started hard campaign to implement stuff relevant for users, like vertical tabs or native website profile management. Seems that everybody haven't seen doubling down on firefox under current management ;)

[@cameronbosch1213]

@@d3stinYwOw This may be too little too late though...

[@d3stinYwOw]

@@cameronbosch1213 I wouldn't be so doomer about it to be honest. Let them cook ;)

[@semi-senioritis]

Lack of PWA support is because of PWA developers, not Mozilla, unless you want them to redo their entire gecko engine.

[@bytesamurai]

Firefox is NOT dead.

[@ToumalRakesh]

Switched from Chrome to Firefox when Google did the Manifest v3 stunt. Not looking back at all. FF is faster, launchers quicker, uses less memory, and the password/tab sync experience is absolutely smooth. Oh and adblocking works. FF doesn't have much marketshare atm but frankly I don't care. I don't use things because everyone uses them, I use what works for me. Now, the decisions of Mozilla are an entirely different story of course. Brave? No thanks.

[@MartianPink]

2.75 minutes in I still don't know why or in what way Firefox is "dead", or what mistakes they have made.

[@michalsvihla1403]

You must have a very short attention span if you expect everything to be said by 3 minutes in a 19 minute video.

[@matthewmoore757]

I still use Firefox. Yeah, they've made some blunder's. But what's the alternative? Chrome and Chromium based Browsers? No thanks. I do Like Brave. But.... as long as Firefox still works, I'm fine with it. If Firefox stops working for me, than brave is a fine alternative.

[@MixedVictor]

Chromium has a monopoly because it's just better. Have you ever wondered why Chrome was widespread when it was released? If Firefox wasn't under Mozilla's bad management, it would've been a much better browser.

[@MixedVictor]

Also their Android browser is a synonym to memory leak.

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@MichaelDustterDoesn't Brave plan to keep Manifest v2 support though after upstream Chromium removes it?

[@matthewmoore757]

@@MixedVictor They have a monopoly because of money and greed. Not because it's better.

[@user-in2cs1vp6o]

​@@matthewmoore757I'm convinced most humans just say the first thing that comes to mind without a hint of thought That guy really suggested that googles monopoly is because their product is just that much better just ignore all the anti trust pro monopoly things they've been sued for the US government and the EU

[@tormstorm]

Watching this on Firefox, so it's obviously not dead, and it's still much better than any chromium browser.

[@JohnCastleSmokeless]

I'm a die-hard Vivaldi user. I like Vivaldi for the same reason I like Linux: it's incredibly customizable, which makes it a piece of software with _extreme_ utility for anything and everything I want to do within a browser and even some things most casual users wouldn't even expect to be possible within a browser.

[@IAmTheSlink]

Firefox is not dead, it's simply coughing up blood.

[@Alex-cq7eg]

DistroTube, you forgot to add a “sponsored” badge to the video (or was paid not to do so). I’d love to see the like/dislike ratio on this video

[@Mario583a]

1.4K likes to 952 dislikes ~~ KZbin Redux and/or Return KZbin Dislike

[@PerfectKlaus]

I still use it - the best free browser which doesn't report everyting back

[@someusername1]

LibreWolf?

[@Nate-qh4em]

In that case I would reccomend Librewolf on PC and Fennec on android (two Firefox forks that respect privacy). Because oh boy, the amount of data vanilla Firefox sends back is horrifying. Like the amounts of data that makes a windows PC look FSF endorsed.

[@user-us6ft2sj5q]

not true. firefox has just as much telemetry as the others, by default it's enabled and you need to turn off a bunch of stuff. Librewolf fixes that but it's generally an incovenient browser to use due to its hardening

[@Mario583a]

@@user-us6ft2sj5q Correct; HOWEVER the telemetry is just unintelligible gobblty gook to the average.

[@Nate-qh4em]

@@user-us6ft2sj5q Some things you can't turn off, like a built in unique ID tied to your Google Analytics ID (desktop) or strait up Google Analytics (mobile).

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

Speak for yourself! (AGAIN!!!!!) Firefox isn't dead until it's dead, and well I, like many here in the comments do too, and your reasoning isn't compelling,and your alternative sucks too in it's own ways, and well I'd rather use Firefox, not Brave! You really need a few major adjustments to your epistemology.

[@Munny606]

Firefox is alive and well and kicking!!

[@tarikulislam686]

Using Ghrome in linux is like cheating on your wife.

[@MarkGast]

I gave up on Firefox years ago and, like our gracious host, I to switched to Brave. I blame most of the issues on management.

[@carves123]

Lets revive Netscape browser !

[@user-pv8yj7mg2o]

Firefox is not dead. You will probably be dead long before Firefox dies.

[@tarikulislam686]

🤣🤣🤣

[@AvroBellow]

I've used Firefox for over 20 years. Google's marketing is why so many people use Chrome.

[@zacharykosove9048]

These are fair complaints for the average user but I much prefer the customization of Firefox over Brave. The default telemetry is still a huge problem and takes away credibility points.

[@John7No]

Brave? really? The people that brought you affiliate links, installation of unwanted VPN, care about privacy? Not to mention that the CEO is the one that had the questionable political opinions . Mainly, Brave team has never took responsibility of their mistakes and always try to pin it on someone else. So thanks but no thanks, you are free though to have your own opinion

[@folgoris]

Exactly, besides the crypto shit and all the extra features that you don't need and can have on Firefox with Add-ons. The CEO Brendan Eich with his far-right ideas and the brave company are extremely toxic entities to stay away from.

[@PaulG.x]

It's not dead! It's just pining for the fiords!

[@neilmarshall5087]

I see what you are parroting there.....

[@webber7217]

FUNNY imagine saying only 3% when 3% market share is literally 178 million people using the browser daily. you have brain dmg

[@anti_globalista]

Strange of you to say that, are you an average consumer? FF is alive and kicking. Anyone who tried Sidebery extension knows it has no competitors. Also, containers (group isolation) is the best feature in browsers EVER.

[@htx80nerd]

Can tell a lot of people have not watched the "finances of Mozilla" videos yet

[@pkz420]

"Dead"? But... I'm using it to watch this video. That doesn't add up.

[@netcalibur]

So if I say "my girlfriend is dead FOR ME" is she actually dead? No, she's not. Firefox might be dead FOR YOU, but for me it's not, it still gets updates and works fine. WTH are you on about? Brave it takes forever to start up on my MX.

[@GassiousClay7]

The cope from firefox fanboys in the comments here is incredible. My sides may never recover.

[@boyscout399]

Firefox's multi account containers is something i really want chrome based browsers to add...

[@c0wg0d]

Pretty sure Arc Browser has that

[@fotnite_]

@@c0wg0d It does, but Arc only really supports macOS. They have a windows version, but it's very unstable and buggy at the moment. And no Linux version.

[@Lineageholder]

Floorp is a good Japanese variant of Firefox. It's a more private option.

[@gustavojoaquin_arch]

Based

[@billm8958]

I use FireFox too but I'm under no delusions like the other dudes commenting in here. FireFox is at best at 2% of the browser market. AT BEST. At worst I've seen it estimated to be 1.5%. Edge is actually above it now. Webkit browsers are where it's at. I dunno how else to say this. Gecko lost, Webkit won. It's just that simple. Your friend can use it, your IRS agent can use it, the guy at the museum can use it. It's still 2%.

[@haniqassim]

Google still pays a big portion of Mozilla’s bills and get Google services used by default.

[@TheSmellOfBooks]

LibreWolf Represent !!!!!

[@motmontheinternet]

Every time I hear this spiel, it's always stuff that most people don't care about. While I'd like a version of Firefox that has DDG set to the search engine by default, I do not at all care that I have to set it to that when I start Firefox up for the first time. It's not some meaningful violation of privacy that ruins my life, and it isn't for you, either. I don't much care about the problems you're complaining about, and most of the people you think do care about them don't.

[@user-sn8kg7rd6n]

It's only dead when development stops - and it's not like there's a shortage of forks.

[@yaneemdetey]

firefox is alright, i ve heard enough crap about "it's dying" for past years and no, it's not. It's still can handle my plugins, it still stable, fast enough and not as ram greedy as chrome now.

[@HaroldCrews]

I became concerned about Mozilla's direction when Brendan Eich was driven out. No company that does not support free-speech can truly be considered an open-source company. Free-speech is how you open-source a society. It's much more important for a society to be open than software.

[@Mario583a]

The Right to Free Speech means the government can't arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullshit, or host you while you share it. The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an Internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole, and they're showing you the door.

[@drastically143]

@@Mario583a You know, there are a lot of other countries, not everyone is from burgerland and not everyone cares about muh 1st blahblahment. And you can conceptualize free speech in many different ways.

[@Doctor_Glados]

When chromium does a number of shady things its ok. When firefox talks about doing something kind or meh, its suddanly dead. Sure

[@lussor1]

V128 enabling a new telemetry setting by defsult to report data to an Ad company good job!

[@zSion]

I'm not watching this video, just came to say that Firefox is THE best browser to date idc what any of you say.

[@darukutsu]

to all normies saying "it's not dead" I suggest edit title of video to: Why firefox is on the verge of death from top 1 on the market to bottom of it... hell even opera is more used than ff

[@user-in2cs1vp6o]

Who cares what most people do. Most people use windows and dont even turn off a single data reporting/telemetry option.

[@iodreamify]

@@user-in2cs1vp6o it's important because google are on the verge of having a browser engine monopoly, many web developers already don't even test new websites on firefox(some even blacklist it) and the longer this goes on the more compatibility issues there will be.

[@BlueBatboy]

me watching this on firefox:

[@br3nd4n]

Firefox extensions are leaps and bounds better than Chrome.

[@Boz1211111]

Firefox is quite big and it did quite impossible, browser written on its own platform an fully functional modern updated, made for user. If they accepted donations or got in trouble i would pay them just to help. They are worth so much

[@sejtano]

firefox used to be the best until it started bloating and spying, chrome/chromium always sucked

[@LightningMcCream]

I love using firefox, and I dont have any intention of switching anytime soon. But you're so right! Firefox does nothing to cater to the one audience keeping it alive. Worse yet, they try steal from Google's playbook all the time! No I don't want to sign up for your damn Sync Service or a "mozilla account"! Let me export 100% of my browser settings as a plain text file, and I'll sync it that way!

[@Winnetou17]

I don't get your last complaint. A LOT, really A LOT of people, more normie ones, complain when switching to Firefox that it doesn't have the conveniences of Chrome. Exactly like that Sync Service. WHAT THE FLYING F is stopping you on not using it ? It's not for you, it's for the normies. If you were in their shoes, you'd realize how immensily annoying a comment like yours is. It's literally being damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[@kwpctek9190]

If he doesn't use it, how can he speak from authority? Does he not know it still allows the use of pre-manifest V3 add-ons such as uBlock Origin?

[@erickgruis106]

I'm a former Firefox huge fan. The day they came out to support censorship based on political ideology was the day I switched to Brave and have never looked back. If I want a browser that does the bidding of the regime I would just use Chrome or Edge.

[@guilhermeandradedaveiga5605]

You had me until the tin foil hat bit about censorship. There is no absolute freedom, freedom is never a goal, it is always and only the means for something.

[@hsoj9550]

I think Gecko is a lost cause, but having a Firefox built on something like Webkit might be interesting to see. I don't think it'll truly save it, but it would be a better path forward (aside from switching to Chromium).

[@svendyy]

To be honest it's weird when DT's talking about bloat in Firefox, but at the same time doesn't mention about bloat in Brave that is way more than FF. While he's using it

[@shaunpatrick8345]

Adblocking, TOR and crypto are all related to privacy or the internet. In a browser, those are not bloat.

[@svendyy]

@@shaunpatrick8345 yeah, but crypto? Who needs crypto in browser? There's also other bloat. when I decided to use whatever page it didn't load, it was 2 seconds of white screen before displaying anything, while other browsers was opening everything instantly, or at least faster than brave. Yeah it had i5-4670, but still other browsers as I said was a lot better. Only now I upgraded to i5 13th gen and it doesn't lag, and I decided to use it, but come on. It's okay

[@lussor1]

By default brave is private, FF is like chrome... In brave if you dont want something right click and hide, the ones that say it has "crypto crap" is just brave rewards disables by default​@@shaunpatrick8345

[@pertulippotato7769]

"This browser has some problems with privacy bc they use google services, let's switch to googles browser!"...

[@alexschexnayder8624]

Honestly if you've seen Naomi Brockwell's presentation on web browser privacy you'd know that this is a bad take.

[@kellypainter7625]

Yeah, this argument doesn't make sense logically

[@dullahangaming5107]

Brave is stipped down from chromium. Firefox has way more of google services and philosophy running thru it than Brave - which has basically none.

[@proletar-ian]

Not a Brave fan, but it is not "Google's browser".

[@pertulippotato7769]

@@alexschexnayder8624 You mean this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWGcoImdedqliqs

[@bobmccoy9926]

I strongly agree. I left Firefox for Dissenter and now Brave when Mozilla said they would start censoring the search.

[@Lobaluna9333]

It's so bad that you stopped using Firefox, and saying that you are supporter of open software. There's nothing wrong with Firefox. I use it daily since 2001 and no problems, but big improvements I have seen

[@garygranato9164]

"the internet has to remain free" dude maybe 10 years ago !!! the internet has been locked down for a very long time.

[@minion3806]

it's certainly locked down in parts, but firefox is one of the free bits that remain

[@spectr__]

@@minion3806 lol sure, Mozilla supports censorship and is funded by Google, but somehow firefox is "free".

[@creatingwithcode1630]

I'm one of the 2% on life support still using Firefox.

[@fubaralakbar6800]

Not gonna hate on DT like everybody else here is doing. The guy has too long a history of great content for that. Come on, guys. I switched to Brave quite some time ago. I like it quite a lot. Anything that makes KZbin scream at me for having an ad blocker has to be good.

[@natr0n]

firefox will always be better than chrome. with that said it is not dead

[@claudebeazley]

Firefox is still kicking for me. Perhaps the devs haven't been informed of its death yet.

[@donaldc3884]

Its dead to me due to mozillas financial partners...red flags!

[@allenellsworth5799]

Lunduke was talking about this. Yeah Mozilla is a joke.

[@littlepeon]

Was thinking the exact same thing about Brave browser everytime it was mentioned here.

[@Mario583a]

Oh no, people cannot spend money how they want?? :|

[@miller42]

@@Mario583a Organizations aren't people.

[@Sk3z]

I like your content even when i dont agree with you, but this content is silly and biased on so many levels... You already made clear in the past you didnt like mozilla stand on fake news, but saying firefox is pro censorship, is borderline smear campaign. 1: you made no tech related valid point: firefox is still the standard when it comes to adhereing and documenting the web standards (apart from Google ones). 2: saying that fake news shouldnt be tolerated is not the same as pushing censorship. 3: the reason linux works is because when anyone's statements and/or proposition get discredited by more autoritative and competent sources, then those contribuitions get removed from the kernel. Linux Kernel works because idiots are not allowed to propagate idiocy in the name of "Freedom". If you like pure free software you should use GNU/HURD or something? (point 6, 7) 4: Firefox is Open Source, it is not Free software in the sense of "free software foundation". But even if your illogical statement was on point, you failed to mentioned that Free Software browsers are built on top of Firefox codebase, not of Chromium. 5: Most of this video is you saying that Firefox is doomed because IT USED to be very widespread, and now it isnt anymore, and the false syllogism is that since the projection of the trend is going down, then its doomed. This is stupid. Linux is 2% and trived on way less than that. And it's driven by people which tend to be very opinionated and vocal when people stand silly stuff like the ones you stated in this video. BTW firefox PC SHARE (which is different than web share since most mobile devices in the world are Android shipping with Chrome) is more towards 6/7 % i thinik? 6: Firefox is not perfect, but since the dawn of ages you boot a proprietary bios, and render stuff on screen by proprietary hardware and software, sharing media files using priprietary standards. Its called compromise and anyone find theirs, and even if Firefox doesnt comply perfectly with the free software foundation agenda and philosophy, this doesnt make the mozilla foundation evil. Since everyone has to make compromise because we dont live in a DRM free world, and there was a time in which using linux meant cut out of most of the content on the web (and Yes, GOOGLE filled the gap for linux and funded most of the filling for what's left), it happens to be that for most people Firefox is the perfect compromise. You yourself compromise way more by choosing browsers like Brave. 7: it is ironic that you yourself often say that you dont force yourself into free software if it doesnt work, and now make bold claims of saying that something so pivotal for freedom like firefox is doomed because it doesnt perfectly fit your biased standard. 8: there is no such a thing as Firefox vs Chrome when it comes down to users, most people prolly and rightfully want more than one browser in their machine anyway.

[@Praxidikai]

Brave has no Multi-Account Containers, nor Temporary Containers. That's why I stay with Firefox. I use it since the very first Mozilla Beta versions.

[@dmitrichbesthook3307]

Firefox is my favourite pdf-viewer on linux 😄

[@brIceni-x4w]

It wouldn't take a lot to make me switch from Firefox. I'd be happy to move to a browser that serves my needs better. However over the course of over a decade, I've not felt any need to. With a few clicks, it's as secure (or moreso) than anything else out there and overall, a better package than the alternatives.

[@NotRealNamesAgain]

Firefox is like an old dog to me. I can't be mad at it, just a bit sad.

[@mojtajnynick101]

Ok but Chrome with its 65% killed massively also Edge (5%) and Safari (18%). Let's remember how well Google pushed their browser as the only one good for their search engine. Firefox is alive, good, I'm still using it.

[@folgoris]

You don't say why the CEO of brave with his ridiculous far right ideals had to leave Mozilla.

[@tom-hy1kn]

What are they? tell us. You sound like a left wing liberal nut.

[@w3w3w3]

Who cares what his politics are... it is a browser, and a good one at that.

[@folgoris]

@@w3w3w3 From a person's political views you can tell how much bullshit he will tell you or not, and so far what he and his company are doing is just advertising a product with features you might not want and get with addons in other browsers, with the The illusion of making you earn a shitcoin worth something. also they reported a fork of their browser that didn't feature their shitcoin

[@WoodwardSystems]

Firefox is my browser of choice on desktop and mobile. Maybe it isn't as widely used as much as it used to be but it's definitely not dead yet.

[@BrendonKing]

From a global perspective, it's been on life support, and Mozilla has no interest in changing that.

[@johanb.7869]

Chrome on Android no ublock, Firefox has.

[@kilosierraalpha]

Censorship is why I abandoned FF and Mozilla as well. They had the worst CEO in existence and she was a political pundit. I think she's still on the board of Mozilla.

[@drastically143]

Wokeness will kill mozilla. Wokeness is incompatible with free and open source core ideas.

[@caseycu]

Hot take for the views? Using any Chromium-based browser is playing into Google’s monopoly ambitions. They’re doing a better job at embrace, extend, extinguish than Microsoft could ever have dreamed of.

[@kmg501]

The problem isn't Mozilla, the problem is that Google is acting as a monopoly.