Divide and Conquer v5 Goblins of Moria Faction Overview

[@GreyMasker]

Funny they're actually one of my favorite factions. I like the chaff tactics, and being the gatekeeper between Eriador and Rhovanion gives you a ton of options. Like you said, you can approach the campaign in a bunch of different ways. They could use a few more scripted events though, that's for sure.

[@justinw-s1694]

I reckon a good idea, for the Goblins of the Misty Mountains would be a system of sorts in which you could if you have the one ring you can give it to the Balrog. He can then master it since he too is a Maiar and is still whole. Take the power for himself and begin to raise the Goblins as a sort of counter like a full on counter to Sauron or i suppose as like another Dark Lord.

[@rogelioalonzo2911]

Yes this

[@chancemodiri3672]

That’s actually an awesome idea

[@ilari90]

Pro tip, Flame Wrangler in javelin range dumps the shot straight to enemy, so keep some halberds or chaff in front of it and dump those barrels in front of them, that way you don't miss shots that much and it decimates everything. Also you can always use snagas in front of your armies in loose formation and wide line to stop the enemy advance and bombard that line with flame wranglers, when the snaga runs, throw next snaga in to hold that few seconds and take the enemy javs and arrows while your arty and crossbows shoot.

[@midshipman8654]

I personally like there hord army schtick, its fun sending legions of canon fodder to clog up the enemies movements and surround them with overwhelming numbers

[@ilari90]

One thing to remember with these low tier troops is how much they gain from levels and armour bonuses, they become a lot stronger than it seems on a first glance without those buffs.

[@ilari90]

Early just spam Dark Pit units, from 4 settlements you can make a stack in 5 turns, they can take out everything through the campaign in huge numbers. With the numbers you can just flood the lands with ap and the poison arrows with them and trample everything in your path.

[@93Avenger93]

a case for the schiltron: defense in depth formations. they are much better at it than the standard shield-wall. the shield-wall due to how formations wrap around each other and how it uses it's mass to engage and push into the enemy formation will generally cause the enemy to not really surround the unit even if they have a wider frontage, they will prefer to fight line to line. and if they do wrap around the shield wall you get the flanked penalties. meanwhile the schiltron is immune to those AND it makes the enemy line bend around it, surround it. which often means a large volume of the enemy formation is perfectly visible to whatever you have standing behind the porous frontline of schiltrons. enjoy your flat trajectory close range flanking archer fire that makes even the atrocious goblin archers decimate high tier units. To say nothing of what you can do with a close range flame wrangler shot when it just dups it's load almost horizontally. or just shove wargs or shock infantry into the gaps to hammer the enemy. schiltron allows you to do that much better than shield wall. even with a faction like rohan, why frontally charge my eored into uruks when I can get the uruks to bunch up around some peasants and charge their flanks? With moria the qustion is "why suffer atrocious casualties and be reliant on risky goblin wave tactics when a modicum of tactics can ensure I get positive K/D rations even against the high elves". Would be fun though if the game had the ability to simulate both the popular circular schiltron for defensive holding and the square schiltron the scots used at bannockburn to advance on the english army. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6uci4Sribp3bdU for reference.

[@CrusaderXI]

I absolutely love the Goblins of Moria, i just wish they got a update i always imposed my own update adding one new late game crossbow and the ability to recruit other factions goblins and trolls in there capitals/ home region. Just that made them feel a little more interesting, i always end up enabling recruitment of balrog super unit if i keep the ring so i can get em every 25 turns after that.

[@nikosni5858]

do i have to put a mod to take balrog with the ring?

[@CrusaderXI]

@nikosni5858 I enabled it personally after I take and hold the ring. I think there are sub mods that also do that.

[@vaku66]

how do you get balrog?

[@vaku66]

@@nikosni5858 did you find out how to get balrog?

[@CrusaderXI]

@vaku66 you enable its recruitment in the files yourself, I enable it after getting the one ring and choosing to keep it, allowing for once every 20 or more turns to get one helps fight the endless enemies you begin to fight once the ring makes everyone hate you.

[@samh98239]

@26:45 just a thought for a naming convention. Maybe you could use of the phrase “Black Flame Infantry ” or “Dark Flame Infantry “ to name Moria troops . This would be a reference for their reverence/fear of the Balrog

[@names_are_useless]

I look forward to an updated Moria in v6. I have to imagine the update will include a Balrog Script. If it were up to me, here's how I'd do the Balrog Script: * After Balin's Attack AND after building a Mithril Mine (so shouldn't be a default build) in Khazad-Dum, every turn you have a % chance to trigger the "Awaken the Balrog" script. * Awaken the Balrog: The Balrog is grumpy that you have awoken it and is climbing up into Moria. You have to choose how you will respond. You will have 2 Options: 1. Fight Durin's Bane: The Balrog is an enemy and a threat to Chieftain Uglag's Power (or whoever is in charge of your faction at the time). Chieftain Uglag was sent by Sauron to Moria to lead the ragtag Goblins and will continue to do so. A small percentage of your Army will turn Rebel, siding with the Rebel Balrog. The Rebel Balrog, with some rebel Goblins around Khazad-Dum and Khazad-Dum West, will attack Khazad-Dum. After defeating The Balrog, your commander that leads to The Balrog's death should gain a "Balrog Slayer" trait, which should be a pretty big bonus. You also gain access to specialized Uruk Units, as Sauron is pleased with your decision. Lastly, you also gain positive faction influence with Mordor. In my headcanon: Sauron and Gothmog (King of the Balrogs) were both Lieutenants to Melkor in the First Age, and so Sauron isn't too fond of Balrogs themselves (they've never worked under him). This should be the easier choice. 2. Worship Durin's Bane: You can choose to worship the Balrog, Durin's Bane. Your current Faction Leader, and a majority of your army, will turn Rebel, fighting alongside your old Faction Leader. The Rebel Faction Leader, and Rebels around the area, will attack Khazad-Dum. Durin's Bane becomes your Faction Leader, with his bodyguard called "Nameless Ones" (basically "nameless things" from the books; they can basically be "mini balrogs" so there is only 1 true Balrog but the units themselves can still be a similar scale to him); they should probably be the best "monstrous infantry" in the game. After defeating the old Faction Leader, you gain access to some new Elite Goblin Units (one idea I had was a type of "Goblin Berserker" with low armor but high damage, and a "Goblin Zealot" that gives major buffs to your army, all representing Goblin fanatics of The Barlog). Sauron, seeing Durin's Bane as a threat to his power, you gain negative faction influence with Mordor (maybe they even become an Enemy towards Moria). This should be the harder choice. I've also thought there should be a specialized event attached to conquering Goblin-town: * Conquering the settlement (while The Balrog isn't your Faction Leader) should give your Faction Leader the title of "King", basically showing that you've united the Goblins and have become the new "Goblin King", giving your Faction Leader some positive traits. Maybe also have some various Goblin Units populate in the settlement, representing the Goblins flocking under the banner of their new Goblin King. * Could be a cool nod if Goblin Town had the weird deformed Goblins in the style of the ones in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey (not sure what could be unique about them at the moment). Conquering Goblin Town could unlock these specialized Goblins Units.

[@VenomGamingCenter]

I don't like your ideas because they use your headcanon which doesn't make sense. Also the way you've written it doesn't make sense either. Lack of punctuation. More so, you also wrote that attacking the balrog should be the harder choice, and the easier choice. Then went to say that siding with it should also be the harder choice. So which is which?

[@names_are_useless]

@@VenomGamingCenter I fixed the Comment so it's more clear which is the Easier and which the Harder Choice. What doesn't make sense about the headcannon I've used? I know I'm not the only Tolkien Fan that has speculated on the relationship between Sauron and the Balrogs, and it's generally agreed that the Balrogs never worked under Sauron. If Durin's Bane would willingly work for Sauron, why wouldn't Sauron have called him to Mordor to serve in his Army? Why did Sauron and Gothmog hold the same rank under Melkor? It honestly makes sense that powerful Maiar like Balrogs didn't serve under Sauron (much like how Saruman, a powerful Maiar, was out for himself). What punctuation do you want me to add? I'd be happy to add since I can edit my Comment (not that KZbin Comments are a good place for such).

[@deluxehipster8714]

Moria is the only faction I did a world conquest.

[@Konrad_IV]

I like the goblins of Moria, really looking forward to them getting reworked. Nice video

[@Cybernaut76]

Yeah. From what I heard, they get punished too heavily in economic level if they refuse to swear loyalty to Sauron. Saurons support should mean something but it should not be so important that your defeat is almost guaranteed if you dont bow down to him.

[@Altar360]

Honestly, they’re fun to fight. And I dunno what you guys did but they’ve caught me off guard a few times in my Dunedain campaign. Haven’t lost that many but they’ve given me a few Pyrrhic victories. Specially their wargs

[@Cybernaut76]

When you play as the Dunedain, remember that in the very start of your campaign, it is not the Angmar, Gundabad, Dunland or Enedwaith that absolutely cannot wait to get their hands on your throat. It is the Goblins of Moria. When you start, launch a pre-emptive invasion against Moria as soon as your troops are at all ready. Then sell Khazad Dum to a dwarven faction for tens of thousands of gold.

[@Trident121]

I managed to a cease-fire with the goblins in the direct beginning. They havent declared war yet (25-30 turns). Playing ND

[@ilari90]

@43:00 Shoot the fountain guard with the wrangler there, when it's near, then you see the gains when it slams the barrel straight to the ground on the group, killing 50. It's not good in long distances, in super close ranges it's a unit deleter.

[@tich789]

14:19 khazad dum battlemap isnt a long field it is khazad dum with narrow bridge and in Annon-en-orod you can get black pit units from just lvl 2 town hall and 2nd tier barracks (turn 15ish)

[@codycaruth7068]

Not sure if it’s the same in DaC but I know that in vanilla Med 2 I found putting my spearmen in schiltrom with guard mode on helped them take cavalry charges better with fewer losses. It was especially noticeable with low tier spearmen and helped them not just get wiped off the map by heavy cavalry. I tested this in custom battles at least a few times

[@jessel8833]

It would be cool to see some cool extra beasts or troll half orc style soldiers as you tier up in barracks to give some more neatness to look forward to.

[@Owlr4ider]

When you talked about Orc factions lacking a crossbow unit you somehow forgot Isengard. As for the Azog Defilers, they're definitely a highlight, arguably the only true highlight, of the Goblin roster. Ironically enough the existence of Azog's Defilers is actually an incredibly good reason to play as Gundabad rather than the Goblins of Moria, and take Khazad Dum East and West to recruit them, into a much stronger faction. It's the only truly elite unit unlocked by Gundabad's unique mechanic that entices them go betray the other evil factions, the rest of the units they can get are nice to have at best, throwaways at worst, whereas the Azog's Defilers are truly special and fit incredibly well into Gundabad's roster. Also being recruitable from 2 settlements rather than the usual 1 is another massive boon for that strategy.

[@SirHector1999]

The mountain uruks are also great from moria. Love both units

[@lordoblivion8038]

Really wish that they implement arachir plans of revamping goblins of moria 🤔🤔🤔

[@FallenCorp]

He's moved onto Warcraft:Total War mod.

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

What were some of those plans?

[@lordoblivion8038]

@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump iirc correctly. In arachir plan for moria revamped its simple. Retake Goblin town and you get the goblin king from the hobbit. Then after that the balrog was impressed with the goblin taken their old home and task them to prove their worth by either destroy the high elves faction or take imlandris. Then you will be able to recruit the balrog itself. There's more, you will be able to recruit a elite army of semi balrogs iirc.

[@JW-jd6sn]

@@lordoblivion8038 semi balrogs? what does that even mean and the goblins being able to recruit the balrog would be simply to OP. He is Sauron level of power and it takes like two stacks of elites to defeat him

[@VenomGamingCenter]

​@@JW-jd6snWhy would it be OP considering they have to defeat the high elves or take imladris? In the players hands that's a nice reward. I've never seen the AI Moria manage any of that so explain how it's OP? And why that matters in a single player game?

[@harrymcintosh9225]

Schiltron makes you tank cav charges way better. Probably doesn’t make much of a difference for goblins and it’s way worse than shield wall but it does help. Especially if it’s a 1v1 fight with 1 spear unit vs 1 cav unit

[@srdjanbreka8803]

Ranged and charge nation. Snaga archer hordes with 3x armor buffs + azog defilers rush op. 2x flame vranglers and 5 goblin bands can handle the script stack. Go for chokepoint defansive fights (cheap upkeep) until you replenish warg hammers for attacks. Only problematic aspect of Goblins are big town sieges and wall battles so either bait those out of have sufficient siege weaponry, especially Carneth brin and goblin town. Agorlag can solo clear bruinost day 1...

[@badcactus819]

I would love to see version 6 overhaul the "vassals" of Mordor. Harad, the goblins and DG are all a little undercooked and feel more like roadblocks for the player than full fledged playable nations. To a lesser extent mordor feels the same

[@midshipman8654]

you have to admit that the team killing of the flame wrangler is very goblinish. id say as long as you kill 1 enemy for each goblin or two you also kill, you are getting out ahead in that trade!

[@slavkoburic6030]

Thank you for extended video with battle, keep up the good work, we will be watching it 😁

[@alanmike6883]

Moria is the faction i like to refer too is a self masochists wet dream if they want to be constantly punished during their campaign. In old games having the balrog was a bonus though 😊😂

[@Zafersan]

Snaga are the best units in the game. I mass stacks of them and attack 1 enemy stack with 3-6 of snaga stacks. Mountain Orc Hunters are Dwarve killers. I use them to hammer enemies from behind while a high armor unit is the anvil and holds the enemy. Hunters will slice through Dwarves or any heavily armored units. The power of the Orcs of Moria is that they can out spam any other faction. No other nation can match their numbers. Elves bring 1 stack, you bring 6 and attack all at once, GG, you win.

[@petesperandio]

Isengard also has crossbows. Very good crossbows at that.

[@Augimund]

Yeah, I meant to say they are the only evil nation with mounted crossbows, and probably confused my thoughts with that. Isengard crossbows are a cut above the goblin crossbows.

[@Altar360]

So Goblins fire their arrows in huge clouds, huh…? Goblin General: “Our arrows will blot out the Sub!” Dwarf General: “We’re better at fighting in the shade anyway.”

[@fitz12ify]

I think additions that can work to make Goblins of Moria more interesting to the players is giving them a cool story so the player has objectives to fullfil. So not necessarily buffing them in the units department. So I'm thinking script based things. For example, a script that fires after you win a battle against the High Elves (battle defined as fighting agaist at least 4 elf units). Then storywise (and this is made up stuff not necessarily lore bounded) Sauron sends them a Uruk general with the mission of taking Rivendel, so in game, that battle reveled the location of Imladris and Sauron wants to direct an attack there. This general has some good high tier Uruk unit as a bodyguard and some good ability and some special traits. Something along the line of "Scourge of Imladris", this trait gives him extra comand and his units better defence and attack while fighting in the Imladris battle map. And if you do win and take Imladris then this general gains the trait "Tyrant of Imladris" where he gains governability options when he is governor of Imladris, something like +3% pop growt, +5% income increase, +10% public order. So the player has the option of either keep using him in battlefield or just leave him to govern Imladris (of course all of his speciall trait can be adjusted to be interesting enough while at the same time not being overpowered). Other script can be named " Down Down to Goblin Town" so its a special script that makes interesting to go and reclaim Gobling Town. Storywise (also made up stuff) the Gobling King that was allied with the Moria Goblings was overthrown, in one of the many infights goblings have, thats why Goblin town its not part of Moria. So when you go and retake Gobling Town a script fire where you get two generals (or more accurately a general and a governor). The governor is the Gobling King (that big dude from the Hobbit movies), he has the generic gobling general bodyguard and fightingwise he is not something exceptional, more like a generic commander (like the ones you get through adoption), he is slow and doesn't have a good range of movement in the strategic map (so an army with him as a commander gets to places slower so even getting to Cameth Brin from Gobling town is 3 turns) but he gets superb governability traits and special things when he is placed at Gobling town, things like discount gold and time when building buildings. The other general (a made up character) is a crossbow warg rider general, with god command and special traits towards fighting (so if you get him he is a top 3 commander for your faction), and some special niche traits towards raiding and ambushing. Like when ambushing he gets more command, and after winning small battles he gets double booty from sacking the enemy camp. Also, this scipt from retaking Gobling Town generates two full staks of gobling snaga (melee and missils) one in the fort west of Gobling Town and one in the fort east of Gobling Town, representing the host loyal to the Gobling King (so nothing strong, but something that adds flavor). As well, give them a special building centered around West Khazad Dum, and only available when holding both Khazad Dum. So this building gives the usual income buff, maybe other things like aditional recruitment slots. But also the access to some next level armour but an armour that visually changes the model of the units so they get those bones ornaments they have in the movies and this armour adds some frightening trait to Goblins of Moria units, this armour is called Misty Mountains Armour or something like that. So things like this that hides eastereggs and small objectives to the player could make Goblins of Moria more interesting to the player.

[@liamcarnahan1346]

Armor upgrades are your saving grace as moria

[@MrSimeonk]

Goblins need some love. Given the scale of their region, need to be a contender to ruling Middle Earth with Sauraman, not Sauron.

[@Dunarcarn]

Hey there, here's a suggestion for when you reviewing units and buildings. Please take a second to scroll through to the bottom of the unit description. Some people including myself like to read the lore about a unit. You don't need to scroll for more than a second, just scroll to the bottom so we can pause and read it at our own time. Thanks!

[@Augimund]

Great idea. I'll do that from now on, thank you for the suggestion!

[@Daxter250]

i hope the moria battle map gets an overhaul. placing units there when defending it is an absolute nightmare!

[@scavenger6268]

Explosive crossbows. Armor upgrades. Nuff said.

[@sjsusujaajs]

BFME 2 made me fall in love with Goblins. Sometimes when Im bored, I use cheats to make huge and strong movie-like armies of them and just infest whole Middle-Earth.

[@alanmike6883]

I was doing the alphabet in my head augimund And it occurred to me before m, there Gondor, harad, khand, lothlorien gundabad, kazad Dum I believe 😊👍 BUT still good video 👍

[@cambyses1529]

agree to disagree re schiltrom! It has niche uses only, but is an effective way to guard flanks, as it resists cav charges much better than any other formation for cheap spears with low morale. Weakness is versus archers and infantry - and also its difficult to move effectively. I think one of the issues is that its only available to cheap spears in this mod, which are generally rubbish whatever formation they use...

[@CalDoggyDaddu]

That's no mine, that's a tomb

[@MYHAU91]

I love playing moria. You have to use every sneaky tactic to succed and in the mid game you flood enemies with stacks.

[@Zafersan]

best faction to play, They out spam any other faction.

[@conorhayes2927]

How about the balrog

[@Owlr4ider]

I really don't like characters that have tier 1 or even weak tier 2 units as their bodyguards, and the Goblins are 1 of the factions that suffer the most from this trend. Bodyguards are supposed to well, guard, and weak tier 1 and tier 2 units simply can't do that properly. It's a shame really as there is a massive discrepancy between those weak tier 1/2 bodyguards, the tier 3/4 bodyguards and the special(aka unique) ones which tend to be tier 3/4 as well. It makes certain factions significantly stronger and others significantly weaker even before delving into the various traits, ancillaries, etc. Regarding Schiltrom, it's actually quite solid. What you consider a tactical blunder: allowing your unit to get surrounded, I see as a stratagem, You see, when 1 unit gets surrounded all the units surrounding it can now be surrounded themselves. The biggest obstacle is actually the quality of the spear units that gain the Schiltrom formation as the good spear units tend to get shield wall instead of it. Therefore you either need your Schiltrom unit to be fully surrounded to trigger 'fight to the death' mode due to no escape avenue or rely on a general's ability to morale lock the Schiltrom unit to keep it in the first. With so many morale penalties(being surrounded on all sides, taking damage, etc) and the general low quality of Schiltrom capable units morale boosts alone generally don't cut it(maybe there are a few rare examples when they do). Still, if it's a cheap spear units like the Goblin's even if it stops fighting and tries to run if it's surrounded with enough units it will still struggle to get away and still achieve the same result so it's not all bad.

[@Jackthecritic]

Will moria get the spider rider units they used to have?

[@svyatoslav4289]

11:50 its so great you start showing saves with scripts

[@bigthoughts2644]

The mining income doesnt stack. That is the new amount.

[@Blooticus]

Say what you will about the Gobbo roster but those black pit units can actually be quite nasty, even in the hands of the ai

[@Jess.uit5]

I'm trying to find the hardest faction to play, this looks like a good candidate. What do you think?

[@miguelanessoares7039]

Angmar i think is the hardest. I did like 3 campaigns with them and all 3 were painful. One of them i was even forced to do a general army and manage them well so they dont die and recover Units since angmars economy is weak

[@pmakins95]

What happened to Dwarves of Khazad-dum? xD Other than that, nice video as usual :)

[@alanmike6883]

Which would've finished off the dwarves 😉👍

[@Augimund]

I've been going off of their individual faction names rather than "dwarves". So that was Ered Luin after Erebor, and Khazad Dum will come later.

[@JamesThomas-pj2lx]

i was geeked to play this, then i downloaded and it keeps kicking me to a loop to the steam store.... suggestions?

[@riptide1ful]

Isengard counts with crossbows?

[@Chukcha_In_Mexico]

Guys, can you tell, what exact bonuses the shieldwall gives?

[@21films92]

Archers do less damage, horses charges are reduced incredibly, and they group your units much closer together so they do more damage. Its amazing, i love it so much

[@Chukcha_In_Mexico]

@@21films92 thanks! and no dealing damage penalty?

[@artolan_illusive]

Moria really needs a rework. Trash wave strategy does not feel to work really well and come on, their "best" units have stats of medium to low tier units of other factions.

[@benfromthesewers1688]

I was thinking. Could it be possible for unit to have 2 goblin models with animations? I think it is possible as i saw simmiliar stuff in other mods. And i think it would fit perfectly this mod. Units would get buffed in stats and the models would make sure it would retain the swarm vibe

[@spirit959ful]

If you are good at cav moria is a breeze. Cav is King in any med2 mod and having huge numbers in cav and infantry just makes hammer and anvil very easy.

[@Konrad_IV]

There are no "Warg Pack" units in the regular Divide and Conquer mod. How do you get them in your overview?

[@spirit959ful]

There are in v5

[@Konrad_IV]

@@spirit959ful can't recruit them in custom battles .... I got v5, but it doesn't work

[@dnaseb9214]

Thats why they are not popular. They are old and feel weak DolGuldur has unique units

[@nordkrom4270]

''You have 26 turns to prepare for it'' :D Omg like it is a lot with orks vs elite dwarves .No really this patch sucks as balancing and is full of bugs.

[@spirit959ful]

26 turns is a ton of time. On top of that moria is incredibly easy to defend. Ballistas just wreck dwarves on that narrow bridge. While your ap units clean up any leftovers.